| <X3N> bye | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <popey> morning all | |
| <GazzaK> morning popey | |
| <popey> hows the man-flu GazzaK ? | |
| <GazzaK> a lot better, still snivels and a cough, but a lot better than it was | |
| <snail> I'm at the google open source thing tomorrow in london. anyone have anything i should be pushing / looking out for? | |
| <GazzaK> free stuff to post to me? | |
| <snail> GazzaK: what kind of free stuff are you after? | |
| <GazzaK> anything really, anything linuxy or googly | |
| * snail orders 300 copies of TheOpenCDv4 | |
| <GazzaK> mugs, gold bars, tshirts etc etc | |
| <snail> GazzaK: i'll be keeping the gold bars i think... | |
| <GazzaK> ah, boo | |
| <GazzaK> :-) | |
| <GazzaK> google Tshirts would be cool | |
| <GazzaK> or really anything cool like, anything at all | |
| <GazzaK> just run round with a bag, stealing stuff, and then post it to me :-) | |
| <snail> poke me with your address on friday and i'll see what i acn do | |
| <GazzaK> :-) | |
| * GazzaK would be so happy if you did | |
| <GazzaK> I need cheering up | |
| *** apokryphos- is now known as apokryphos | |
| <Seeker`> lo | |
| <snail> hi Seeker` | |
| <Seeker`> lo loudmouthman | |
| <chaddy> morning all | |
| <loudmouthman> hello Seeker` | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <DaveMorris> popey's gone mad | |
| <loudmouthman> this popey has special cow powers | |
| * GazzaK giggles | |
| <DaveMorris> my g/f father has asked me if he could use Linux, whats the best way of doing it. | |
| <DaveMorris> Install it at mine and make sure it works or install it in front of him. | |
| <DaveMorris> His not overly computer savvy but he can use them etc | |
| <GazzaK> DaveMorris, i'd try installing it at yours, be easier *if* you have any issues, then maybe if its good, reinstall at his, to show him | |
| <DaveMorris> then I'll just need to sort out the wireless usb adapator at his | |
| <GazzaK> reason I say, is if say you have wireless problems, you can find a fix in comfort | |
| <DaveMorris> I won't be able to solve those at mine as I don't have wireless | |
| <DaveMorris> tvh its only gonna be the printer/digital camera/wireless which gives me grief. Hopefully the camera will just mount as an external drive. | |
| <DaveMorris> I'm hoping he'll go into work and tell them all how good it is and they'll download it and try it | |
| <GazzaK> with my laptop, wireless was not so easy, I had to get network-manager, and disable (with a #) all entries under etc/network/interfaces | |
| <GazzaK> that was easy however | |
| <DaveMorris> yeah, I had to do something similar with mine to work around there | |
| <loudmouthman> ooh dejavu | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, how annoying | |
| <popey> ooo | |
| <popey> flash 9 final out for linux | |
| <popey> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash | |
| * popey waits for the packaged version in ubuntu :) | |
| <popey> alan@wopr:~$ dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree | grep ^ii | |
| <popey> ii flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.21.78.4ubuntu1 Adobe Flash Player plugin installer | |
| <popey> \o/ | |
| <GazzaK> woo, installed | |
| <GazzaK> thanks popey | |
| <popey> np | |
| <jamesbrose> Hello all :) | |
| <GazzaK> hi jamesbrose | |
| <GazzaK> brrr, it's cold and wet and horrid | |
| <jamesbrose> Its nice here | |
| <jamesbrose> we had a gas leak here, and all got to go home.. | |
| <GazzaK> in manchester? I thought it rained all the time there | |
| <jamesbrose> haha | |
| <jamesbrose> Its a bit cold | |
| <jamesbrose> but still sunn | |
| <jamesbrose> sunny* | |
| <GazzaK> it's peeing it down here | |
| <jamesbrose> meh | |
| <gord> the sun has definitely got his hat on over here (hip hip hip hooray!), I would even suggest that he has got his hat on and he's coming out to play! | |
| <GazzaK> hehe, I just got asked at work "are you *really* gay" | |
| <GazzaK> is the car not a giveaway! | |
| <jamesbrose> The car? | |
| <GazzaK> mx5 | |
| <jamesbrose> ah | |
| <jamesbrose> damn | |
| <jamesbrose> bored.. | |
| <jamesbrose> Is there like a remote gui tool for proftpd? | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: sue them for sexual harrasment or something | |
| <GazzaK> lol, nah | |
| <GazzaK> Seeker`, that was the last company | |
| <Seeker`> oh? | |
| <GazzaK> I was introduced to new starters as "here is Gary, the office poof" | |
| <Seeker`> :S | |
| <GazzaK> I so want a mac mini | |
| <jamesbrose> I would have any mac.. | |
| <GazzaK> well, yeah, i'd really like a macbookpro 15", but they are too much | |
| <Seeker`> i want a mac to have a play with | |
| <Seeker`> cause i've never used one properly | |
| <Seeker`> i also want a 20" monitor | |
| <gord> I don't get peoples fascination with getting the latest and greatest most powerfullest things around, for a laptop all I want is one that is at least 1.5ghz, very low power and enough ram to do general stuff | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Hellos | |
| <Seeker`> hi | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> just popped in on the off chance | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> see who's about | |
| <GazzaK> gord, thats why I want the 15" one, it's the smallest one that they make | |
| * Seeker` is about | |
| <GazzaK> hey Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hiya | |
| <gord> big monitors are great but carrying around massive laptops so you can have a been screen is not ;) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> did i see a lappy with a 22" screen somewhere ? talk about pocket cinema! | |
| <tsurc> less is more so to speek. My boss just got a jvc thing. problem is usb mice don't work on it when running linux :( else I'd get one myself | |
| <gord> isn't a jvc like a big digging machine? | |
| * Seeker` wonders if he could get a discount on the monitor through his uni | |
| <tsurc> no JCB big an yellow. jvc v-small and silver. | |
| <tsurc> you also don't need a hard hat to use one.. | |
| <gord> shame, hard hats are cool | |
| <Seeker`> just because you dont need one doesn't mean you cant wear one | |
| <tsurc> better than having I brick through your head i suppose | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> dunno might come in handy if the wife finds out you bough one and she chucks it at you ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> bought* | |
| <tsurc> here's a matrix moment.... a jvc in a JCB ! | |
| <tsurc> indeed my missus has naturally ginger hair. Makes her kinda feisty | |
| <tsurc> not that there is anything wrong with that ;) | |
| <tsurc> brb... got to go re-fuel at Mc D's. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Question Time! - I've installed Hamachi (VPN type software) on Edgy - set up great - works well etc - but I need to drop to a con box and type "sudo /sbin/tuncfg" and "hamachi start" whenever i restart - how do i "do" these commands automagically whenever EDGY boots ? | |
| <tsurc> I'm trying out Herd 2, any one know how can install a kernel. | |
| <tsurc> the installer can't find one and gives me an option to cary one and suggests to install one later. But how? | |
| <tsurc> *on | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> through synaptix ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> synaptic* | |
| <popey> tsurc: why do you want to install a kernel? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hi popey | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> sussed the problem last night - 3 point plan :- | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> shutdown - re-install - start again = worked a treat! | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> don't use automatix this time though eh? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i did to install Beryl - and Swiftfox - but promptly uninstalled | |
| <tsurc> synaptic is not available in the alternate i386 installer | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> and did the Nvidia-glx the hard way (note glx and not the legacy) - working 100% now so cheers for the help | |
| <tsurc> I seem to be a victim of #79109 bug | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> tsurc: ok - well that's about the limit of my knowledge at the mo - ask me again in another 60 hours time :P | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> <<<<<< noob | |
| <tsurc> You and me both... as each hour passes I seem to be getting better though. limited only by the speed at which I can find solutions. | |
| <tsurc> Thanks though | |
| <tsurc> ;) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ditto - thank IRC for #Ubuntu* | |
| <tsurc> here here | |
| <tsurc> shame #ubuntu+1 is quiet though. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> no ideas - i sit in here :-s | |
| <tsurc> might tyr #ubuntu installing a kernel during a cd install should be generic, I'll just need to adapt it to point to feisty mirrors I guess | |
| <popey> tsurc: why do you want to install a new kernel? | |
| <tsurc> Herd 2 bug #79109 sould explain it better than I. | |
| <tsurc> Installer complains about no installable kernel. Turns out there is a problem somewhere in base-install with regards to SMP machines | |
| <popey> what cpu? | |
| <popey> have you tried booting with the "nosmp" or "maxcpus=0"? | |
| <tsurc> dual Athlon MP, but the bug report says Dual Intels too | |
| <tsurc> I'll try that now... | |
| <tsurc> nope: install nosmp doesn't work complains about IOAPIC[0] Invalid Ref' to IRQ 0 | |
| <tsurc> Will try nosmp noapic | |
| <tsurc> failing that I'll go back to trying to get sound on some Wyse Winterms we have working with ltsp | |
| <tsurc> don't fancy that though.... there are horible to work on (technicaly work on, rather than actualy use them) | |
| <popey> hang on | |
| <popey> how are you entering nosmp? | |
| <tsurc> press esc then ok to get "boot: " | |
| <tsurc> boot: install nosmp noapic | |
| <jamesbrose> Do you thin trying the live cd of feisty could damage my system? | |
| <jamesbrose> think* | |
| <tsurc> looking ok so far now | |
| <tsurc> jamesbrose, how much mem do you have, the Live CD dosen't play nice with less than 192M (i think) | |
| <jamesbrose> 1.5gigs | |
| <jamesbrose> should be alright then? | |
| <tsurc> other than that you should be ok so long as you don't press the install icon on the live desktop | |
| <jamesbrose> ;) I won't.. | |
| <tsurc> remeber though feisty is very very much testing only. | |
| <jamesbrose> Yeah | |
| <jamesbrose> Just want to take a peek | |
| <tsurc> me too, but I don't have enough mem for live cd. So I'm off down the alternate-i386 route. | |
| <tsurc> Taking AGES for hardware detection though. Hope is an easy bug fix. | |
| <tsurc> *its | |
| <constrictor> how do you use the visudo command, i just saw a little trick you can do with /etc/sudoers but it must be edited with visudo command | |
| <constrictor> !visudo | |
| <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visudo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | |
| <X3N> sure you don't mean sudo vi /etc/sudoers | |
| <constrictor> oh right | |
| <constrictor> i used nano and it seemed to have worked | |
| <X3N> nano and vi are both simular tools | |
| <tsurc> give me nano every time! | |
| <constrictor> to be honest i prefer nano | |
| <X3N> vi is probably harder to use but is more powerful | |
| <constrictor> it is way harder to use | |
| <constrictor> i found that harder tools are mostly more powerful anyways | |
| <gord_> vi is good if you _need_ a powerful editor and you only have console access... which doesn't happen often. there are better gui editors if you want power | |
| <tsurc> If your hardcore then no IMHO, but I'm not a sadist | |
| <tsurc> I've only ever used it twice.. that was enough to put me off for life | |
| <X3N> I use vi, gedit, bluefish mainly in that order | |
| <tsurc> nano, gedit depends on if I'm in a GUI or terminal | |
| <gord_> Iv started to use scribes of late, its fantastic if you want a nice powerful editor but have like 20 documents and 20 other things all open at once.. good for codin n stuff :) | |
| <tsurc> Just out of interest, what can vi do in respect of power that a simple ed like nano can't on the terminal? | |
| <tsurc> *editor | |
| <X3N> i do quite a lot of work over ssh so vi is one of my best friends | |
| <X3N> http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html | |
| <tsurc> so do I... but I use nano? | |
| <tsurc> I'll check it out | |
| <X3N> second page is here: http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi2.html | |
| <tsurc> At first glance it looks like buffers,markers and RegEx are the key here. I can't remember if nano has these, I don't think it has. I may however be wrong | |
| <X3N> you can do shell commands within vi too | |
| <tsurc> still.. all hypothetical, as I've never needed those features yet. | |
| <tsurc> so you could open a doc with vi and type stuff in like your still at the comand prompt? | |
| <X3N> yea | |
| <X3N> so like if i was editing a config file i could open the man page up in vi and copy some bits from it for example | |
| <tsurc> cool, still a little too hardcore for me..... yet. | |
| <tsurc> so how would you change between *cough* "windows". | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> some mention windows ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :P | |
| <X3N> what do you mean ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> joke - I'm almost missing it sometimes...... | |
| <loudmouthman> Dave-Ubuntu did you get the answer to the hamachi question ? | |
| <tsurc> well you open vi it takes up the screen with the command prompt at the bottom | |
| <X3N> yes | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> no mate - i'm still scouring - found some stuff in german - and i'm not learning another language - this is hard enough! and babel fish struggled | |
| <loudmouthman> Dave-Ubuntu ive got it working would you like the script ? | |
| <tsurc> then open a man page. does that open "on top". | |
| <X3N> yeah if you haven't specified anything else | |
| <tsurc> after you have fininshed with the man, vi re-apears? | |
| <X3N> yep | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> loudmouth - this is where my ignorance shows - ok - you have a script - what do i do with it! lol | |
| <X3N> you can tell it to do other things with the command, like add the output to the bottom of your document | |
| <tsurc> wow that IS hardcore | |
| <loudmouthman> it goes into /etc/init.d and set the execute permision on it, then you link it from /etc/rc2.d something like ln -s /etc/init.d/hamachi /etc/rc2.d/S90Hamachi | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> << scratches head - hits google and nods knowingly :-s | |
| <tsurc> hand >> head | scratch | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> arse elbow | less | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :-s | |
| <X3N> cat | tail | |
| <loudmouthman> the script which basically loads tuncfg,hamache start , hamachi login , hamachi go-online networkname etc etc etc is copied to /etc/init.d and make sure its executable ( chmod +x ./scriptname ) | |
| <tsurc> more or less that is the question? | |
| <loudmouthman> less > more | |
| <loudmouthman> or is less == more | |
| <loudmouthman> anyway .. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> right - ok - all I need is the sudo tuncfg and hamachi start - the rest is set up | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lol | |
| <DaveMorris> loudmouth, any luck with the mailing list problem? | |
| <loudmouthman> Dave-ubunut .. yeah kinda <grin> | |
| <tsurc> in the words of john cleese "right.. stop that. Its just getting silly!" | |
| <loudmouthman> davemorris - nope . i gort home late last night and ive not been home yet. is it urgent | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> wanna email / pastebin or send in some other way that I haven't sussed yet ? | |
| <loudmouthman> Dave-ubuntu sure just send me a mail to nik@butlertshouse.co.uk and i'll copy it back to you. | |
| <DaveMorris> no, I've been keeping up via the archives, I've just got to remember to sign up for the moot thats all | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> cheers | |
| <tsurc> popey: nosmp noapic doesn't work either. Oh well ;( | |
| <loudmouthman> ooops try nik@butlershouse.co.uk <grin> | |
| <X3N> isn't there any opensource stuff for the xbox 360 loudmouthman ? | |
| <loudmouthman> X3N . probably but the article was more about how windows people actually have a hard time getting and finding answers in fact its harder still since users can only chat to users theres no upstream or channel manegment at all. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lol - last ones gone dev:null :P | |
| <loudmouthman> yep im the only person I know who has his email address filtered on peoples out bound mail <grin> | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lmfao | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok- sent | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> heers | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> cheers* | |
| <X3N> yeah, i got that bit, i was just wondering if there is an opensource offering yet | |
| <loudmouthman> X3N . not that I found. ive tried tversity and windows media player 11 on WinXp32 and Winxp64 neither crack the nut. ive been recommended on a comment to install the zune software ! its amazing that no one stands up and says " hey ! were all just guessing here ! " | |
| <X3N> heh | |
| *** apokryphos- is now known as apokryphos | |
| <tsurc> I love that sound... the sound of 800+ kids leaving the building ;) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> there's a comment there about Neverland ranch - but i'm resisting....... | |
| <loudmouthman> come again ? | |
| <loudmouthman> ooooh tastless sorry ! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :-s and I though I was close to the bone | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :P | |
| <tsurc> school building! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> we guessed :P | |
| <tsurc> I wouldn't be able to get away with those kind of jokes. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> thats why I work in advertising and you have a proper job ! | |
| <tsurc> however funny it may be to poke fun at Mr Jackson and his plastic apendages | |
| <tsurc> Well I am looking for a new job, I think I've taken them as far as I can here. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> he's the american dream - poor lil black kid who grew up to be a rich white woman.... | |
| <tsurc> not so rich any more | |
| <tsurc> if you belive in the daily papers | |
| <GazzaK> tsurc, teacher? | |
| <tsurc> I believe.. I mean. There they are on the shelf. They must exist! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> indeed - must be a hell of a blow to lose like 150 million and still have 1/2 billion in royalties etc over the next 30-40 years | |
| <tsurc> no Sys Admin | |
| <GazzaK> at a school? | |
| <tsurc> yup | |
| <tsurc> Skeg Grammar | |
| <GazzaK> cool, do you still have that fast connection to the web? | |
| <tsurc> net-stink? | |
| <gord_> didn't mr jackson buy the rights to a load of beatles songs? the royalties from that could prolly fund a small country | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yeah - he has most of the beatles stuf AFAIR | |
| <tsurc> no.. ditched them ages ago. still not that much better though, but at least were 5k richer per year. | |
| <GazzaK> don't know what it was called, the school network thing, damn fast | |
| <gord_> education things get connected to a special fiber optic backbone don't they? | |
| <tsurc> netlinc are the LEA guys that sub contract ramysys. They were putting an 8M pipe to all secondary schools in the county. It was only going to cost us 13k and the County 13k... PER SCHOOL! | |
| <tsurc> We said no. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> no shit sherlock! | |
| <tsurc> and got our own broadband supplier, now skeg is MaxDSL enabled | |
| <tsurc> costs a dam site less | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> NTL/Telewest do 10mb business for something silly like £75 a month with [erm IP and 1:5 contention | |
| <GazzaK> my brother works at a school and they have velly velly fast internet | |
| <tsurc> the head honcho at netstink got the heavy leaters out asking us how we were going to comply with the requirement to be connected to the new National Education Network. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> amazing how I used to get billed £300 amonth on dialup to BBS's back in the early 90's lol - how I laughed | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> .......and if you told me i'd have a 2mb connection permanent to my house for £15 a month - I would have laughed even harder | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> (within 15 years) | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, it has moved on | |
| <tsurc> as far as I'm aware NEN is run by the same guys who run JANET, they can't discriminate against our choice of supplier. Shot Bertold Weidman up the arse | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> just a tad | |
| <GazzaK> but I want 10MB/S :-) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> we all want - but do you *need* ? | |
| <GazzaK> nope | |
| <GazzaK> I'd be fine on 512K | |
| <GazzaK> but I still *want* | |
| <tsurc> Porn on demand ! streamed into your home 24/7 ! DVD Quality. Think I'd be happier with the wife and the extra £15 a month to spend on stuff. | |
| <jamesbrose> NTL's 10mb isnt that much Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> its not all porn!!!!!!!!!! ok - i lied..... | |
| <DaveMorris> *has JANET or SupperJANET at work :) | |
| <DaveMorris> nice and fast :) | |
| <jamesbrose> oh right 1:5.. | |
| <gord_> Id be happy if the unfrastructure was around to get live HD streaming up and down the country, i can't see a reason for speeds higher than that and then we can get good things like quality internet tv | |
| <jamesbrose> *ignore me* | |
| <X3N> NTL's claims are oftern far from what you actually get | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> james - for business with a perm IP - its fairly negotiable now - but £75 is about right for the midlands | |
| <jamesbrose> ah right | |
| <tsurc> you want to look at what is denied on our proxy logs. That will tell you what the kids are intersted in! | |
| <GazzaK> /ignore jamesbrose | |
| <DaveMorris> isn't NTL's based on cable, therefore when people use it heavily it slows down | |
| <jamesbrose> nooo! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> X3N: NTL are starting traffic shaping as well ..... | |
| <X3N> yep DaveMorris | |
| <DaveMorris> more than with adsl | |
| <GazzaK> arghhh, when I more I was going to get NTL cable | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> alledgedly - before the lawyers start emailing.... | |
| <X3N> GazzaK: imo adsl is a better service | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> they're trialling it in the north somewhere - oonly really affects the heavy users | |
| <GazzaK> it's the 3 for £30 which gets me hooked X3N | |
| <Bjwebb> hello? im new here | |
| <GazzaK> helli new here, how are you | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hi BJ | |
| <Bjwebb> very funny | |
| <GazzaK> :-) | |
| <Bjwebb> hi | |
| <Bjwebb> :) | |
| <jamesbrose> Gazzak, £35 with ntl cable.. | |
| <jamesbrose> 10mb | |
| <jamesbrose> http://home.ntl.com/websales/product.do?id=3246 | |
| <GazzaK> well they do a 3 for £30 offer, and that will do me fine, plus a few tv channels, will be £35 a month, for 2mb I think | |
| <tsurc> gtg, got to go play with the wifes bun's... she's got a new job as a baker in our local supermarket. | |
| <GazzaK> jamesbrose, http://home.ntl.com/websales/product.do?id=10320 | |
| <jamesbrose> If you get it with a phone line its 25.. | |
| <jamesbrose> ah | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> laters tsurc | |
| <jamesbrose> Thats a good deal | |
| <tsurc> have a good one peeps! and keep up the good work | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, for all three, rather than BT line - £16, sky - £20, broadband - £20 ish | |
| <jamesbrose> lol, just got that "Unsafe Device Removal" when i took out a disk | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> linux reminds me of a scatty Aunt - always looking out for you, but then forgets to lock the door when she goes out :P | |
| <jamesbrose> Hmm I'm seriously thinking of trying out FD6 | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> go for it... | |
| <jamesbrose> Dave-Ubuntu, ever tried it? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :-s to be honest I have no ideas what you mean - i'm so much of a noob, they haven't got a word for me yet - its's a wonder the box fires up! | |
| <constrictor> where would i typically find php.ini? | |
| <jamesbrose> Well | |
| <jamesbrose> Are you using xampp? | |
| <constrictor> no | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hi dsas | |
| <dsas> hi Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <X3N> the location of php.ini is usually something like: /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini | |
| <loudmouthman> oooh http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6270657.stm ? or is that old news ? | |
| <X3N> (constrictor) | |
| <X3N> ohh looks new and shiney loudmouthman | |
| * didlix hugs X3N | |
| *** didlix is now known as dids | |
| <loudmouthman> X3N someone found xbox media serve ! shiny will try tonight! | |
| <loudmouthman> actually phildavies ! | |
| <X3N> thanks.. dids | |
| <X3N> what did i do ? | |
| <constrictor> thanks X3n | |
| <constrictor> loudmouthman it's actually new news | |
| <constrictor> just saw it myself | |
| <X3N> shame they linked to the "get the facts" campagin | |
| <dids> loudmouthman: xbox media serve? | |
| <X3N> or as i like to call it "get fucked" campagin | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> subtle | |
| *** dids is now known as kikiwitch | |
| <loudmouthman> I just had several email from clients pointing me to the news.. harumph I guess there not so busy then. | |
| <kikiwitch> what news? | |
| <kikiwitch> loudmouthman: ? | |
| <X3N> kikiwitch: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6270657.stm | |
| <kikiwitch> somethign about xbox media serve? | |
| <X3N> i think the early day motion is the one that we all wrote to our mps about | |
| <X3N> that's pretty cool | |
| <dsas> It is indeed. I suppose EDMs are possibly good for publicity, if not for policy making. | |
| <X3N> indeed | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> "More than 100 million people have installed Internet Explorer 7" and only 75% have reported problems :P | |
| <kikiwitch> loudmouthman: xbox media serve ? | |
| <frederific> afternoon all | |
| <GazzaK> hey frederific | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hi frederific | |
| <loudmouthman> xbox media server for my xbox360 to stream movies. | |
| <kikiwitch> loudmouthman: linky | |
| <loudmouthman> http://sourceforge.net/projects/x360mediaserve/ | |
| <kikiwitch> oh YES | |
| * kikiwitch kisses you | |
| <kikiwitch> Alpha status | |
| <kikiwitch> oh | |
| <kikiwitch> doesnt do video | |
| * kikiwitch looses interest | |
| <loudmouthman> kikiwitch im told it does according to phil. ill report back .. but wmp11 and tversity have not helped ! | |
| <GazzaK> X3N, my MP never signed it, he said he was going to, and the lazy goat never did | |
| <kikiwitch> i couldnt get wmp11 working | |
| <kikiwitch> i got zune to work | |
| <kikiwitch> but it appeard to only support 1 codec | |
| <kikiwitch> and raped my pc | |
| * kikiwitch just wants free60.org to release something | |
| <jamesbrose> Back | |
| <jamesbrose> back | |
| <jamesbrose> woops | |
| <DaveMorris> GazzaK, send him a letter highlighting this fact, maybe also CC it to the local paper | |
| <GazzaK> DaveMorris, I sent him an email to that effect, no answer yet | |
| * GazzaK is outta here :-) | |
| *** Web-kanotix609 is now known as Pablo_2 | |
| <jamesbrose> Woah i'm bored | |
| <dsas> jamesbrose: Ubuntu has a thousand or so bugs that need triaging ;) | |
| <tsmithe> or packages that need packaging | |
| <tsmithe> or translations that need translating | |
| <X3N> what is triaging ? | |
| <X3N> replicating the bug ? | |
| <jamesbrose> :] | |
| <jamesbrose> Yeah what are they? | |
| <jamesbrose> how can they be packages if they arn't already packed? | |
| <dsas> X3N: If possible, also setting the bug to the correct package, setting its priority asking for any needed information... | |
| <X3N> i see | |
| <dsas> and hug each other. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Evening | |
| <dsas> evening Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <jamesbrose> eveing | |
| <jamesbrose> evening* | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> looks like we're set for some rough weather | |
| <jamesbrose> I heard.. | |
| <tsmithe> again | |
| <tito_linux> hi | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> h | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hi* | |
| <jamesbrose> http://81.109.229.152/ | |
| <jamesbrose> What do you think would be a better colour the blue for them? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> is that an open invitation to click ? | |
| <jamesbrose> Yeah | |
| <dsas> jamesbrose: you could go for green | |
| <dsas> as in the green you see on old greenscreen terminal apps | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> might be just my monitor but the vertical line seems much thinner than the horizontal ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> cool effect though | |
| <tito_linux> Both lines same size here! | |
| <jamesbrose> Should be both the same... Hows that colour? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> my monitor then - plz ignore and send contributions to "Daves New Monitor fund" to the usual address :P | |
| <jamesbrose> :P | |
| <jamesbrose> Could be your browser.. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> colours fine - try with green - depends what effect your going for - and the overal feel of the site ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> firefox in winblows | |
| <jamesbrose> ha | |
| <jamesbrose> I want it to be fast and easy to use but look like I did more work then I actually did :P | |
| <jamesbrose> Which is a very small amount.. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> be ideal for a gamer site | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> they like cross hairs :P | |
| <jamesbrose> Good idea | |
| <jamesbrose> *adds a crosshair cursor* | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> why not go the whole hog - and have it as a radar scren with the cursor being the centre of the "radar" | |
| <jamesbrose> hmm | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> nice tvlines effect over the whole page - and when the radr sweeps over - any graphics lumineses (sp?) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ........and then fades over the whole sweep | |
| <jamesbrose> haha | |
| <jamesbrose> Probably should do it in flash if i'm going to do that.. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - stick to the gun sight :P lol | |
| <jamesbrose> oh wow check that out now | |
| <jamesbrose> :P | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> dumb question time - is it ok to install "KDEiffied" on edgy ? | |
| <jamesbrose> Never heard of it.. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> looks better! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> KDE software - in Edgy - is it ok or do I have to intstall the KDE stuff 1st ? | |
| <jamesbrose> oh right | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> or am i missing the point here | |
| <jamesbrose> Oh no you shouldn't need to install anything | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> kk - i like the look of Konversation - | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Xchat seems to chop off the usernames in 1024*768 which is the maxed out monitor setting | |
| <X3N> I'm pretty sure you can ajust the size of that username's area | |
| <jamesbrose> Yeah you can. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> it'll let me snap off the tab - | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> but by default when joining a room - it's missing or is on my screen | |
| <X3N> hmm that certainly isn't the default behaviour | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i'm installing in any case - i'm in play mode! | |
| <X3N> i can't believe you think kde stuff looks better | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i have no ideas - havent installed it yet - wanted to check that it'd be ok | |
| <X3N> i've always found it to look crude | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> "functional" | |
| <jamesbrose> X3N, same.. | |
| <X3N> not even functional Dave-Ubuntu, as i don't think the interface does alot for usability | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> mind you - i'm the guy thats still impressed with Beryl lol | |
| <X3N> beryl is quite impressive | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> it's still downloading - so might shove it back to dev:null | |
| <X3N> espacially the hardware requirements for it when you compare to something like vista | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yeah - true - this is a PIII 1ghz with 512mb RAM and GeForce 4 Mx 440 and it's sure impressed me! | |
| <X3N> lowest i've run it at was on board graphics intel something, 256mb ram centrino running on powersave at 600mhz | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> to be honest - gut feeling is that Vista will kill windows further - how the hell they can release a point release as a new operating system is beyond me | |
| <X3N> probably because the can, and will make silly amounts of money | |
| <alecjw> Dave-Ubuntu: +1 to that - vista is just windows 2k with nasty grpahics | |
| <dsas> that's not quite fair, they got wifi support, tonnes of update drivers. a firewall and virus thingy, new drm.... | |
| <dsas> between win2k and vista that is. | |
| <dave> now i prefer this to x-Chat | |
| <dsas> dave: have you tried xchat-gnome ? | |
| <dave> no | |
| <dave> firing up synaptic | |
| <X3N> did you not mean Dave-Ubuntu dsas ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> that was me :P | |
| <X3N> attack of the clones ! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lol | |
| <dsas> we already have a dave, we can't handle 3 | |
| <dsas> (or at least my tab completion can't) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> oh dear - i changed my name from sandra cos there was another one on Yahoo..... here we go again :-s | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> joke :P | |
| * jamesbrose is confused | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> whys that James ? | |
| <jamesbrose> Loada daves | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i'll use my pseudo name - Norf | |
| <jamesbrose> :] | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> short for Norfolk-n-Gooode | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok fire up x-chat gnome - still no usernames list | |
| <tito_linux> Look what an American wrote about us wanting system76 in the UK | |
| <tito_linux> "Typical UK attitude: this is why the US has such an amazing reputation for risk-taking and entrepreneurship and the UK doesn't!" | |
| <tito_linux> I wrote back | |
| <tito_linux> " | |
| <tito_linux> Trust me, that is not what the rest of the world thinks of America. | |
| <tito_linux> Why fill the gap, we don't want profit we want a system76! | |
| <tito_linux> Edit/Delete Message | |
| <tito_linux> Could Ubuntu UK make ubuntu laptops in the UK? It could turn over some funding as well as give us all shiny new laptops. | |
| <dsas> tito_linux: I don't think we should be in the game for handling that kind of money | |
| <dsas> tito_linux: Also we probably don't have the neccessary expertise etc. If a few individuals want to go off and do it, cool. But that's not what this group is about. | |
| <dsas> Dave-Ubuntu: You have to click on the "40 users" label. | |
| <dsas> tito_linux: Also we've had http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ for years | |
| <norf> i have and a separate window pops up - disappears a soon as i click off | |
| <dsas> norf: Ah, yes. It doesn't stay there. (which is good from my perspective) | |
| <norf> hmmm - i miss it :) used to seeing who's in room | |
| <dsas> the only people that matter are the people that are talking. If you do need to check you can always look at the list, just a bit harder than usual. | |
| <dsas> norf: You can always start typing someones nick and hit the tab key. | |
| <norf> thats better - twin keyboard on my lap | |
| <norf> dpnt have to twist now | |
| <dsas> e.g. if I wanted to check if you were in the room I'd type "no" then hit tab, if it completed I know you're here. | |
| <norf> yeah I know Dsas - but I have a short atten...... oh cookies........ | |
| <dsas> though that's very rough. | |
| <alecjw> tito_linux: ubuntu-uk already do: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/laptops/ | |
| <alecjw> although the prices arent that competetive... | |
| <popey> hardly surprising | |
| <popey> given the numbers they shift | |
| <alecjw> popey: you heard that system76 will be shipping ot the uk within the year? | |
| <alecjw> *to | |
| <popey> no | |
| <popey> interesting | |
| <norf> hi popey | |
| <norf> <<< aka Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <popey> hello norf | |
| <alecjw> popey: i think 8if we keep nudging htem, tit might happen faster :). c'mon - help nudge: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338539&page=2 | |
| <alecjw> *it | |
| <norf> so thats what it looks like when i leave lol | |
| <popey> uhm | |
| <popey> why would I want to buy a laptop from the USA? | |
| <popey> I would get charged VAT when it comes into the country | |
| <popey> aside from the fact I am VAT registered so can claim it back :) | |
| <dsas> popey: Aren't they shipping them from inside the UK? | |
| <norf> isn't there some sort of import tax as well ? | |
| <popey> no | |
| <popey> thats VAT | |
| <alecjw> popey: that's why we wnat htem to expand to the uk | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> what? setup a UK business? | |
| <dsas> popey: I think that's what I read. There was a post in their section of the forums about it. | |
| <alecjw> dunno what hteir plan is, but the laptops are goddamned cheap, and even ifi have to add 17.5%, it's still pretty cheap | |
| <popey> personally I too would like to do it | |
| <norf> import and box shift | |
| <alecjw> $699 = ~£350 | |
| <dsas> popey: Under the banner of the Ubuntu-UK Team? | |
| <alecjw> nah - a bitm ore | |
| <popey> no dsas | |
| <dsas> popey: Ah, good. :) | |
| <alecjw> popey: ive proably already asked you this, but are you the uk team leader? | |
| <popey> needs a lot of infrastructure | |
| <popey> no alecjw | |
| <alecjw> hmmmmm | |
| <dsas> popey: Is just president. | |
| <alecjw> you have a strange whats the word or athority | |
| <dsas> hmm, tab completion adding a semicolon isn't always good. | |
| <alecjw> *authority | |
| <popey> I do? | |
| <alecjw> lol | |
| <popey> note laptops/desktops isn't just what system76 do | |
| <alecjw> well i think it would be good if the uk theam could give sytem76uk an "endorsed by ubuntu-uk" thingy | |
| <popey> i would be interested to know how much of their business is linux laptops | |
| <alecjw> hmmmm | |
| <alecjw> good point, seeign as linux is quite a popular choice for setvers | |
| <dsas> alecjw: I don't think it's our position to be "formally" or "officially" endorsing commercial organisations. | |
| <norf> lemme get this right - system76 want to move into the UK market | |
| <popey> they may want to | |
| <popey> doesn't mean they will | |
| <alecjw> so,mething along tohose lines | |
| <tito_linux> alecjw: Those are just lenovo's and stuff, they all have things like "Lenovo have packaged this one with an unsupported wireless cards" | |
| <alecjw> dunno the exact details, but it will mean that we cna buy system76 stuffi nthe uk | |
| <popey> i dont see why you would want to | |
| <popey> why not buy from someone else? | |
| <popey> like novatech>? | |
| <popey> or linuxemporium? | |
| <norf> with the advent of Vista - and its "teething" troubles - might be a good move | |
| <alecjw> 100% garunteed support with ubuntu, popey | |
| <popey> hmm | |
| <alecjw> linuxemporium: too expesive, novatech: never heard of it. i'll look into iut alter | |
| <alecjw> *it later | |
| <popey> http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/nbranges.html | |
| <popey> £374.83 Inc VAT | |
| <norf> ok dumb question time again - if System76 has a "marketable" name in the US - and perceived as a good brand - then why not move into the UK market | |
| <tito_linux> popey: 100% support in Ubuntu (even webcam, fingerprint, etc.) with open source drivers. 2. Direct contribution to the linux economy. 3. Actual good Linux support on your hardware, I wouldn't need it but othr users might. | |
| <popey> infrastructure | |
| <popey> uk is tiny so market is small | |
| <popey> us is huge so market is big | |
| <alecjw> popey: there's still the issue tha they could be incompatible eith linux | |
| <alecjw> they're windows laptops | |
| <popey> tito_linux: http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/nbrange.html?RVF | |
| <popey> alecjw: not all | |
| <popey> they do some with no OS | |
| <popey> click "buy one" then choose "I do not need an Operating System pre-installed." | |
| <norf> yeah cos linux is perceived as a hobbyists or fudgy/get it to work - | |
| <alecjw> popey: but then the hardware could be windowsy | |
| <popey> takes 40 quid off the cost | |
| <popey> right | |
| <popey> do I look like I stepped off the banana boat yesterday? | |
| <norf> or that was my perception before using Ubuntu | |
| <alecjw> lol | |
| <tito_linux> popey: Why are you so against having laptops that are officially supported in Ubuntu? | |
| <popey> I am not | |
| <popey> I just fail to see why people are going all Gooey over system76 | |
| <popey> when we HAVE vendors in this country who sell the SAME STUFF! | |
| <norf> but what marketing is behind it ? | |
| <popey> oh jeez | |
| <tito_linux> No we don't have things like that in this country | |
| <popey> really? | |
| <popey> gosh, I must be new here | |
| <tito_linux> No other manufacturer sells their laptops with Linux in mind shipped with open source drivers and Ubuntu pre-installed. | |
| <norf> go into PC world and ask for a linux box and they'll give you a blank look and send you over to the business section | |
| <popey> norf: I am well aware of the state of retail computing in this country | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> tito_linux: you are wrong | |
| <popey> liunxemporium sell laptops with ubuntu pre-installed | |
| <norf> hey no offence - so if system76 wanna tap into the UK market and pump some dollars into it - if i had the capital i'd certainly be interested | |
| <popey> and their name gives the clue that they are sold with "linux in mind" | |
| <tito_linux> They don't support them, and they are hardly cutting-edge laptops, and most require ndiswrapper and similar. | |
| <popey> define support | |
| <popey> have you seen how quiet the system76 forums are? | |
| <dsas> popey: They have a wiki! | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> \o/ wiki | |
| <tito_linux> I'm sure they are quiet, you can get support by phone. | |
| <alecjw> popey: what system76 specific support would you need? | |
| <popey> alecjw: don't ask me, I wasnt suggesting you needed it! | |
| <popey> ask tito_linux | |
| <tito_linux> I don't need it. But if an average user got a system76 laptop, he wants a number to phone. | |
| <popey> http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/services/ "We can provide support for existing as well as new Linux systems, including a full trouble-shooting and training service to get you up-and-running if you are experiencing difficuties." | |
| <alecjw> tito_linux: i expect that they provide HW support, but leve SW support to someone else, like most vendors do | |
| <tito_linux> They aren't manufacturers; they are overpriced resellers. The hardware isn't supported out of the box. | |
| <popey> right | |
| <popey> so you are making assumptions | |
| <tito_linux> No | |
| <popey> and tito_linux is changing the argument at every turn | |
| <popey> you assert one thing is untrue, I show it is | |
| <popey> then you move on to something else | |
| <popey> tito_linux jack-knifes from argument to argument, jigs direction randomly and erratically like a shoal of Argument Fish being followed by a Truth Shark | |
| <dsas> nice analogy. | |
| <popey> i can't take credit | |
| <mdke> man big brother is crazy shit | |
| <popey> Mil Millington | |
| <mdke> what drugs are they giving them? | |
| <dsas> popey: the bug or the website? | |
| * dsas shakes head. | |
| <popey> que? | |
| <dsas> too much ubuntu, I meant "books" | |
| <tito_linux> You haven't disproved anything. There is no manufacturer who make laptops which will run in Ubuntu 100% straight from the box. | |
| <popey> the website | |
| <popey> linux emporium *supply* laptops with ubuntu pre-installed | |
| <popey> do you agree with that? | |
| <dsas> popey: Ah cool. I read the first book, which was strongly based on the website. Had me laughing. | |
| <popey> yeah, he is funny | |
| <popey> tito_linux: Thinkpad T42p installed with ubuntu 6.06.1 | |
| <tsmithe> dell inspiron 6000 | |
| <norf> hi tsurc | |
| <tsmithe> runs perfectly fresh install | |
| <popey> my dell inspiron xps gen2 also runs nicely out of the box :) | |
| <popey> \o/ dell | |
| <popey> (sometimes) | |
| <tsurc> hi wazup | |
| <tsurc> moon | |
| <tsurc> ;) | |
| <tito_linux> The P series are old laptops | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> see, changing the argument again | |
| <popey> first it was "nobody makes them" | |
| <popey> now it is "yeah, but that is old" | |
| <popey> pfft | |
| * alecjw starts thining seriously aobut a novatech laptop | |
| <tito_linux> That is a discontinued range of laptops! | |
| <tsmithe> oh lighten up on the guy, popey! | |
| <alecjw> hmmmm | |
| <alecjw> ati.... | |
| <tito_linux> Lenovo withdrew any support for Linux a year or two ago. | |
| <popey> Oh *really* !? | |
| <popey> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39273092,00.htm | |
| <popey> "Lenovo denies ditching Linux" | |
| <popey> "Chinese computer supplier Lenovo has denied a report that it is planning to stop offering Linux on its range of PCs and laptops." | |
| <norf> these system76 are badged generics yeah ? | |
| <tito_linux> I didn't know that. | |
| <popey> of course norf | |
| <popey> as opposed to the high quality lenovo kit | |
| <popey> </allegedly> | |
| <tito_linux> They are rebranded ASUS laptops, but they replace the wireless card, webcam an fingerprint reader (plus whatever other non supported devices are present) | |
| <tsurc> not had much luck with installing feisty herd 2 yet. Even on a single cpu machine. :( | |
| <alecjw> hmmmmmmm | |
| <tsurc> any ideas how I can get it installed to test. I just can't get past #79109 and the hardware detection problems with no kernel found messages being thrown all over the place. | |
| * alecjw is liking the dearer one on this page: http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/nbrange.html?REM | |
| <popey> run it in a virtual machine tsurc | |
| <alecjw> what am i running in a vm? | |
| <tito_linux> Whats the wireless chipset on that? | |
| <alecjw> tito_linux: intel.. i think... i'll check | |
| <tsurc> any pointers? havn't had time to dabble with vm's yet. | |
| <popey> tsurc: qemu is in the repository | |
| <tito_linux> Supported in edgy? | |
| <popey> I use qemu all the time, and booted herd 2 on it earlier | |
| <tsurc> aptitude install qemu ? | |
| <popey> tsurc: yus | |
| <popey> what spec pc do you have? cpu/ram? | |
| <tsurc> machine at work dual Athlon MP 2200+ with er.... 512 I think... and a nice fast 36G 15k scsi | |
| <Seeker`> and kqemu | |
| <popey> tsurc: memory will be tight | |
| <popey> should work though | |
| <Seeker`> it'll take ages to book with that much memory | |
| <popey> yes, get kqemu if you want maximum performance | |
| <popey> qemu.org is where you can get it | |
| <tsurc> machine at home Athlon 1.3 256Mb 40G IDE Hdd | |
| <Seeker`> when i run it on my intel 3.0GHz with 2GB RAM it takes a good 90 mins to install | |
| <Seeker`> if not longer | |
| <Seeker`> and thats with giving 768MB RAM to qemu | |
| <tsurc> shame my boss nicked the spare HP Proliant DL140 we have | |
| <tsurc> Packing dual dual core zeons and 8G, that would be cool. | |
| <adb> hi there. Trying andfailing to connect a dapper machine to wifi | |
| <adb> Wireless assistant gives a message "connection failed" | |
| <norf> brb reboot time | |
| <tsurc> adb: ooo been there done that. Using any encryption? | |
| <popey> adb, what wireless card? | |
| <adb> Works ok on another machine with an OS beginingwith W | |
| <popey> adb: or is it a machine with wireless built in | |
| <adb> Dunno - its built in | |
| <popey> what make and model of computer? | |
| <adb> Lenov X41thinkpad | |
| <popey> ok, that has an Intel 2915 a/b/g wireless card | |
| <popey> should be supported y the ipw2200 driver | |
| <popey> (which is good news) | |
| <popey> is the machine also on a wired network connection adb ? | |
| <adb> No - I am IRCing from another machine | |
| <popey> adb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo is a good place to start | |
| <adb> ok - will give a look at that., Will get back to the beer now | |
| <popey> adb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiTroubleshooting also | |
| <adb> Wifi is a big time waster when it doesnt work | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> many things are | |
| <popey> unfortunately | |
| <adb> cheers, | |
| <tsurc> popey: lets see what happens with the mini.iso... I'm guessing that all packeges are downloaded from archive. should include any fixes to base-installer? | |
| <popey> you could try the daily image? | |
| <tsurc> yeh I figured that if it doesn't work that with the same iso I could try again after fixes/patches have been applied. | |
| <tsurc> I'll be using the bandwidth anyway, so it makes little difference. only speed. and as it takes over 5 mins each time for hardware detection whats another half our. | |
| <tsurc> hour | |
| <dsas> hmm. weird. my browser is crawling and not rendering pages half the time. ping, email, and irc all seem fine though. | |
| <dsas> hmm, lynx is sucking too. | |
| <dsas> yay, curl works. | |
| <tsurc> night night peeps | |
| <frederific> evening jono | |
| <jono> hey hey | |
| <Seeker`> bored :S | |
| <tsmithe> hi Seeker` | |
| <tsmithe> you could do some: | |
| <tsmithe> bug-triaging | |
| <tsmithe> packaging | |
| <tsmithe> translating | |
| <tsmithe> :P | |
| <frederific> helping newbies on #ubuntu? | |
| <mdke> tsmithe: can I ask you a favour? | |
| <tsmithe> sure thang | |
| <Seeker`> tsmithe: I've been working on mootbot | |
| <tsmithe> mdke, yes | |
| <tsmithe> Seeker`, yes | |
| * Seeker` feels he has made his contribution for today | |
| <tsmithe> :) | |
| <mdke> tsmithe: can you pay more attention to trimming quotes and bottom posting in your emails? | |
| <tsmithe> mdke, sure | |
| <tsmithe> "bottom posting"? | |
| <mdke> my email client got stuck downloading one of your mails this evening, and it was about 3 lines of you, and 100 of irrelevant stuff | |
| <tsmithe> hmm ok | |
| <tsmithe> sorry | |
| <mdke> some guidelines are here: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists/etiquette | |
| <mdke> :) | |
| <tsmithe> why can i not post above? | |
| <tsmithe> i may not be referring specifically | |
| <mdke> it's more difficult to follow the conversation. The page will explain | |
| <tsmithe> hmm | |
| <tsmithe> not really | |
| <tsmithe> "Write your email underneath the email which you are replying to. | |
| <tsmithe> " | |
| <tsmithe> just that | |
| <tsmithe> but ok | |
| <mdke> ah | |
| <tsmithe> whatever takes yer fancy i guess | |
| <mdke> well, that's the reason | |
| <tsmithe> i just do what i see best for the email at hand | |
| <tsmithe> but i'll take care to post underneath | |
| <mdke> it's easier to follow a conversation because traditionally we read from top to bottom | |
| <tsmithe> but if the email is long, do i snip all of it? cos i won't be referring to one point, and otherwise there'll be a load of "junk" above | |
| <tsmithe> which is why i sometimes post above | |
| <mdke> you insert your reply to each point under the relevant snippet of the previous email | |
| <tsmithe> as i said | |
| <tsmithe> what if i am just replying in general? | |
| <tsmithe> rather than "to each point"? | |
| <tsmithe> or even, to a point? | |
| <mdke> then you trim the quote as is appropriate to understand what it is you are replying to. If you're not replying to anything, you start a new thread, and if you can't rationalise your post to be a "reply" to the previous email but you feel it belongs in the same thread (although I think that's pretty unlikely to happen) then my advice would be to just post with no context | |
| <tsmithe> ok | |
| <tsmithe> i will of course heed your advice. i was just curious | |
| <mdke> there are likely to be more comprehensive pages on the web about the ins and outs | |
| <tsmithe> i'm sure i've seen a couple already :) | |
| <tsmithe> but i try to take my best judgement. if that's incorrect, then of course i'll change | |
| <mdke> thanks | |
| <dblade4> hello | |
| <frederific> hi | |
| <popey> hi | |
| <dblade4> is ubuntu like knoppix or do you hav to do a ocmplete isntallation? | |
| <frederific> it can be either | |
| <frederific> the standard (Desktop) CD boots into a live environment (like knoppix), then has an option to install; I think there's also a way to make it persistent using a USB memory key (save settings/documents), but I'm not sure on that | |
| <dblade4> does it come with madwifi drivers? | |
| <popey> the live cd? | |
| <dblade4> yep | |
| <popey> dont think so | |
| <popey> not sure | |
| <popey> hmm, maybe it is | |
| <popey> I have not used it | |
| <frederific> I'm not sure, this page kind of gives the impression it might: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Ubuntu | |
| <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Madwifi | |
| <popey> :) |