| <Simon80> indeed | |
| <tonyyarusso> Then they come to you and say "um, why is it so slow"? | |
| <lophyte> yeah, but that's all they need | |
| <tonyyarusso> "have you run a spyware/virus check and defragged?" | |
| <tonyyarusso> "what are those?" | |
| <tonyyarusso> "Please help, it barely even runs!" | |
| <tonyyarusso> "Figure it out *mutters under breath*. Or use Linux and learn how to never have that happen again." | |
| <lophyte> sigh | |
| <tonyyarusso> The only reason they get away with it is because their geeky friends keep bailing them out. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Time to stop supporting Windows altogether, and then they'll realize what a pita it is | |
| <lophyte> yeah I tried that. | |
| <Simon80> and? | |
| <lophyte> she won't stop bitching at me to reinstall Windows for her :P | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: The answer is no. | |
| <Simon80> her damn problem | |
| <tonyyarusso> Period. | |
| <Simon80> yeah | |
| <Simon80> seriously | |
| <lophyte> I just tried coercing her with KDE instead of Gnome | |
| <lophyte> which imo has a smaller learning curve coming from Windows | |
| <Simon80> lol, cause its increased complexity makes users feel at home | |
| <lophyte> and she's just like "no, not Linux, I have to run to you every time i want to install something" | |
| <rexbron> lophyte: does she still come to you with windows? | |
| <Simon80> tell her, no, you don't have to, you can open synaptic and install it yourself.. jebus | |
| <lophyte> yeah, but again, you can't install limewire (or even frostwire) with synaptic | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: Show her how to ask in #ubuntu | |
| <tonyyarusso> Whatever you do, don't keep supporting the old way. | |
| <lophyte> I bet she can't be bothered | |
| <tonyyarusso> If she's using limewire, her Windows will probably cease to function within a few weeks anyway | |
| <Simon80> me too | |
| <Simon80> it's easier to ask in person | |
| <rexbron> lol | |
| <lophyte> people wants things to just work.. they don't want to run to someone every day for help | |
| <lophyte> well, she does anyway | |
| <tonyyarusso> exactly! | |
| <tonyyarusso> That's my point | |
| <Simon80> you guys | |
| <Simon80> limewire is a gnutella client, right? | |
| <lophyte> I'm pretty sure | |
| <tonyyarusso> something like that | |
| <lophyte> gtk-gnutella serves the same purpose | |
| <Simon80> open synaptic, hit ctrl-f, search for gnutella, pick something | |
| <Simon80> it's simple | |
| <lophyte> and I'm sure there's a KDE gnutella client | |
| <tonyyarusso> One of those peer-to-peer virus-sharing clients | |
| <tonyyarusso> :P | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <Simon80> I think gtk-gnutella is all I see | |
| <Simon80> there's a command line one | |
| <Simon80> oh, nvm, the CLI one comes with a browser interface, cool | |
| <lophyte> what about emule/edonkey | |
| <Simon80> bittorrent | |
| <Simon80> you get an invite to oinz orwhatever that is | |
| <Simon80> and that's it | |
| <lophyte> you can't download single songs on bittorrent | |
| <Simon80> oinkz | |
| <Simon80> well boo hoo | |
| <lophyte> its usually full albums | |
| <Simon80> sorry, lol | |
| <Simon80> clearly oinkz is not what I'm thinking of... but it starts with an o | |
| <Simon80> pink site | |
| <lophyte> not sure | |
| <Simon80> I'll figure it out | |
| <Simon80> I don't have a membership though | |
| <Simon80> ah, it's oink | |
| <Simon80> http://oink.me.uk/ | |
| <Simon80> you need an invite, but I know someone who has it, and it's awesome | |
| <Simon80> I think.. | |
| <lophyte> sigh | |
| <Simon80> didn't get a chance to search for my classical | |
| <Simon80> I'd have an invite, but I'm on ResNet at UW right now | |
| <lophyte> I have a friend that goes to UW | |
| <lophyte> he's in the arts and business program | |
| <Simon80> ah | |
| <Simon80> I'm in Systems design eng | |
| <lophyte> cool | |
| <Simon80> full of physics and math this term, lol | |
| <lophyte> apparently some guy pulled out a PowerBook with Ubuntu installed on it, and my friend got chatting with him | |
| <lophyte> he played the fool and was all "what's Linux?" | |
| <lophyte> then he pulled out his thinkbook with Ubuntu installed on it, hehe | |
| <tonyyarusso> Simon80: W being ? | |
| <lophyte> waterloo | |
| <tonyyarusso> ah | |
| <Simon80> :D | |
| <tonyyarusso> To me that means Wisconsin still ;) | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: thinkbook? | |
| <Simon80> pad | |
| <lophyte> right | |
| <lophyte> thinkpad | |
| <Simon80> I don't play the fool... I'm actually a bit too hardcore with the Windows hating. maybe | |
| <tonyyarusso> Both of my parents and many of my friends went/go to U of Wisconsin, mostly Madison | |
| <Simon80> well... not really, I guess | |
| <Simon80> can't be too hardcore with the hating, only too much pressure on people to switch | |
| <tonyyarusso> yeah | |
| <Simon80> what I do is tell people that if they want to get started, they should come talk to me | |
| <Simon80> nobody takes me up on it ;( | |
| <tonyyarusso> I've gotten my gf and my dad to dualboot | |
| <tonyyarusso> Others are more skeptical. | |
| <Simon80> I've gotten my mom, older sister, younger sister, and my dad, but not really my dad | |
| <Simon80> I don't know if my older sister is sticking with it, either | |
| <tonyyarusso> My older sister can't even take care of her computer, and the younger doesn't give a damn | |
| <Simon80> I think I'll call her | |
| <Simon80> she's halfway around the world :D | |
| <tonyyarusso> why am I so terrible with names...:S | |
| <Simon80> yeah, about the same for me | |
| <Simon80> but my younger is smart, and I expect her to take up the slack eventually | |
| <Simon80> my older one, I never would have expected a switch out of her | |
| <Simon80> but she went with a bricked lappy for a while, and then I walked her through an ubuntu install over the phone | |
| <Simon80> it was nice | |
| <Simon80> thank you windows | |
| <Simon80> switch courtesy of you | |
| <lophyte> unfortunately my gf isn't quite that smart :P | |
| <lophyte> Windows starts to run slow and freeze up.. hey let's reinstall it so we can deal with the same issues in 3 months | |
| <Simon80> anybody can do it, seriously, if my older sister did it, anyone can, she's doesn't give a fuck about computers | |
| <lophyte> except she won't give it a chance | |
| <Simon80> and seriously, I'm never installing windows for anyone again, unless they wanna pay me | |
| <Simon80> neither should anyone in this channel if you ask me | |
| <tonyyarusso> My gf should be smart, but sometimes makes me wonder...hasn't learned how to "look it up" for one. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Or "Look at the menu items...it's right there" | |
| <Simon80> unless the user NEEDS to run a windows app that doesn't run in wine | |
| <Simon80> ...rare occurrence | |
| <tonyyarusso> Simon80: I agree | |
| <Simon80> and usually in that case they're literate enough to install it themselves | |
| <lophyte> what about games? | |
| <Simon80> see above | |
| <Simon80> honest, if you're in this channel, you probably are inclined to support Ubuntu or Linux in general | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: See machines/toys note | |
| <Simon80> or don't like Windows, whatever | |
| <tonyyarusso> I don't care about gamers, myself | |
| <lophyte> I have a dedicated box for emulation | |
| <lophyte> and movies | |
| <lophyte> it could probably be running Ubuntu if I researched emulators for Linux | |
| <tonyyarusso> So, strategies for bringing in the folks who aren't initially interested? | |
| <Simon80> lophyte, what systems? | |
| <lophyte> I know there aer Linux emulators for NES and SNES | |
| <lophyte> not sure about N64 and Playstation | |
| <Simon80> and GBA | |
| <lophyte> those are the 4 systems I've got on there | |
| <Simon80> N64, look up mupen-64, it sort of so so works | |
| <lophyte> I wonder if Project64 would run in wine | |
| <Simon80> it works, but depends on the game, and the joystick input that I was using needed some coddling | |
| <tonyyarusso> I took a box of shipit CDs, printed my page explanation (available if you want it) and stuck it in each on, and literally deposited them on my friends' doorsteps without their knowledge. | |
| <Simon80> that's a good idea | |
| <lophyte> oh, right, and my controllers probably won't work in linux | |
| <Simon80> yeah they would | |
| <Simon80> why wouldn't they? | |
| <lophyte> I dunno.. | |
| <Simon80> joystick HID | |
| <Simon80> try before you assume | |
| <tonyyarusso> Plus, blogging about it helps | |
| <lophyte> xbox controllers :P | |
| <Simon80> I sold a DDR pad to someone and he had to install WinXP drivers | |
| <Simon80> maybe I'll put up a note with a screenie of compiz... that'd be disingenuous though, compiz is still rough | |
| <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I'd be cautious about that | |
| <Simon80> ......it didn't work with my workspaces, otherwise I'd use it | |
| <tonyyarusso> I haven't even mentioned gooey stuff to more than about three people. | |
| <lophyte> soo yeah | |
| <lophyte> how the hell do I get my gf to run linux | |
| <rexbron> this is cool | |
| <Simon80> well, and totem was fuckered unless I used xshm in the multimedia systems selector | |
| <Simon80> but then it worked, like, side of cube and all | |
| <lophyte> it pains me to see her running Windows | |
| <rexbron> one of the books I am using for a research project is released under the CC | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: What's her main objection? | |
| <tonyyarusso> You have to tailor your approach | |
| <lophyte> that she has to run to me every time she wants to install something | |
| <lophyte> because its not as simple as "download and double click" | |
| <Simon80> if she comes to you for ANY windows support, put your foot down | |
| <rexbron> lol the first page is a bash script | |
| <tonyyarusso> That's just blatently not true though. | |
| <Simon80> it's simpler than download and double click | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: It is for most things. | |
| <rexbron> i agree | |
| <rexbron> people tend to be supprised when you show them | |
| <Simon80> yeah | |
| <tonyyarusso> yeah | |
| <tonyyarusso> Synaptic is pretty amazing | |
| <tonyyarusso> Or even just Add/Remove, depending | |
| <Simon80> haha, my fave thing is that I can start compiz easily | |
| <Simon80> and nothing will happen | |
| <Simon80> I mean, it's always been like that | |
| <Simon80> but it's funny | |
| <Simon80> cause it's like... pop | |
| <Simon80> and all of a sudden, windows wobble | |
| <Simon80> oh, actually, my main reason for not using it was that firefox's scrolling was slooooow | |
| <rexbron> lol | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: So you show her how to install things, and maybe take care of the more complicated ones (like if she's really set on limewire for some reason) | |
| <rexbron> I am waiting for feisty for compiz on my machine | |
| <somerville32> tonyyarusso, Can I get the document from my gobby server? | |
| <rexbron> Simon80: is Ubuntu going with compiz or beryl? | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Hmm? I copied back to the wiki before I went to bed. | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: OH! The explanation? | |
| <somerville32> Umm.. | |
| <tonyyarusso> I have it as .odt or .pdf | |
| <somerville32> The code stuff I was doing | |
| <Simon80> rexbron, as of my edgy install, compiz | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Oooh. Maybe? Lemme look. | |
| <Simon80> I would guess compiz personally... | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: The actual machine from that is in the shop, but I might have a ackup | |
| * somerville32 hopes you do. | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I thought you said that was just a one-day thing... | |
| <somerville32> It was | |
| <Simon80> wow, konqueror has an open with firefox menu entry | |
| <Simon80> classy | |
| <rexbron> ? | |
| <Simon80> it's a classy move | |
| <tonyyarusso> somerville32: I got nothing :( | |
| <Simon80> I'm honestly considering switching, my biggest gripe is middle clicking on a tab to close it I think | |
| <rexbron> switching to KDE? | |
| <somerville32> Switch to Xubuntu :) | |
| <rexbron> lol k | |
| <Simon80> nah | |
| <Simon80> thing is, I need my hotkeys, and my sys mon applet | |
| <Simon80> THAT's why I use gnome, that simple | |
| <Simon80> mostly cause of that applet I love | |
| <tonyyarusso> Simon80: which is? | |
| <Simon80> it's small, and tells me all about cpu,mem,net, and swap | |
| <tonyyarusso> ah | |
| <Simon80> THE system monitor applet | |
| <Simon80> there's no ambiguity... I shouldn't have used the word my | |
| <rexbron> Simon80: look at superkaramba | |
| <rexbron> for KDE | |
| <Simon80> isn't that on the desktop? | |
| <Simon80> not the panel? | |
| <rexbron> true | |
| <Simon80> :( | |
| <rexbron> but with Plasma, | |
| <rexbron> it COULD be a in the tray | |
| <rexbron> switch a(n) and in | |
| <lophyte> "why do you want me to use linux so bad? the only good thing about it was that it didn't freeze like windows" | |
| <Simon80> and the lack of crippleware | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: whylinuxisbetter.net | |
| <Simon80> nothing is intentionally crippled | |
| <lophyte> that's what I said.. | |
| <lophyte> no viruses | |
| <lophyte> it doesn't degrade over time | |
| <Simon80> ...I found whylinuxisbetter to be a bit biased... but still | |
| <tonyyarusso> Simon80: Yeah, but who cares? It mentions the right points at least. | |
| <Simon80> yep | |
| <lophyte> "when I tried to send word documents to people, they couldn't open them" | |
| <lophyte> I assume she was sending them .odt files | |
| <tonyyarusso> That'll teach her "people" to use crippleware | |
| <lophyte> "i tried to download shockwave, I downloaded it to the desktop but it wouldn't run" | |
| <tonyyarusso> ie, MS Word | |
| <Simon80> like, play hundreds of games for free, haha | |
| <Simon80> just not good ones | |
| <tonyyarusso> good enough for me | |
| <Simon80> actually, I agree, this is good to link people to, it really sums it up | |
| <tonyyarusso> And they won't know it's a tad biased until they've already switched ;) | |
| <Simon80> haha | |
| <lophyte> hahahaha | |
| <lophyte> ahahaha | |
| <lophyte> I win forever | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <Simon80> what'd you do? | |
| <lophyte> my girlfriend has 2 daughters.. | |
| <lophyte> 8 years old and 12 years old | |
| <Simon80> wow, you're older than I | |
| <lophyte> the 8 year old is like "how do I get into Windows?" | |
| <lophyte> the 12 year old goes "why do you want Windows? Linux is better" | |
| <Simon80> nice | |
| <Simon80> nice nice | |
| <lophyte> victory is ine | |
| <lophyte> mine* | |
| <Simon80> the 12 deserves a free pie | |
| <lophyte> free beer | |
| <lophyte> except | |
| <lophyte> not | |
| <Simon80> haha | |
| <Simon80> yeah | |
| <lophyte> I'm not as old as you think :P | |
| <lophyte> I just date an older woman | |
| <Simon80> nice, haha | |
| <Simon80> with kids | |
| <lophyte> indeed | |
| <Simon80> lol, you're dating your buddy's mom | |
| <Simon80> :P | |
| <lophyte> I'm 21, she's 31 | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: OMG, you win | |
| <lophyte> well.. 22 | |
| <Simon80> I'm 20 | |
| <Simon80> and wow | |
| <tonyyarusso> For the 12 yr old, not for dating older women. | |
| <Simon80> you're the man, haha | |
| <lophyte> in march | |
| <Simon80> and I was gonna say, I'd give them a free beer... if your girlfriend were my girlfriend, it's highly probable she'd be ok with giving her 12 y o a free beer | |
| <Simon80> cause I think that's common sense | |
| <Simon80> but it's ok to disagree | |
| <lophyte> we gave her vodka on new years eve | |
| <Simon80> yeah | |
| <tonyyarusso> That might be pushing it... | |
| <lophyte> not a lot :P | |
| <lophyte> she had a sip or two of a screwdriver | |
| <Simon80> I mean, I think not wanting to give your kid ANY alcohol is unreasonable | |
| <Simon80> I say one serving at a time is fine.. teach them to use and not abuse | |
| <tonyyarusso> Agreed. | |
| <Simon80> that's how I got brought up.. sort of | |
| <lophyte> yup | |
| <tonyyarusso> We grew up with the occasionally small glass of wine with dinner. | |
| <Simon80> me too | |
| <Simon80> and I'm better because of it | |
| <tonyyarusso> Works way better | |
| <Simon80> when I turn into a teen my dad went crazy and started insisting on pouring my drinks for me | |
| <tonyyarusso> Otherwise they hit 21 and get all excited, hit the bar, and die. | |
| <Simon80> yeah | |
| <lophyte> yeah, true enough | |
| <Simon80> I mean, people honestly fail at life sometimes | |
| <rexbron> tonyyarusso: or worse, they cross the border for their 18th or 19th birthday, get hammered and try and drive back | |
| <tonyyarusso> rexbron: True. I know some that crossed to Winnipeg, but they at least spent the night. | |
| <lophyte> yeah, a lot of teens take a road trip to Quebec when they're 18 | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <Simon80> how horrible | |
| <tonyyarusso> I think our drinking age is dumb anyway. | |
| <Simon80> I do too | |
| <rexbron> What is the purpose of your visit? | |
| <Simon80> big rant starting subject for me | |
| <Simon80> to get WASTED! | |
| <rexbron> To get hammered bucase I can | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| <tonyyarusso> You can vote, drive, get sent to Iraq, sign away your medical care, gamble, etc. @ 18, but they think you're going to wait three years to drink. | |
| <lophyte> oh, US drinking age | |
| <Simon80> HAHAHAHAHA PC jacking | |
| <lophyte> yeah, 21 is pretty silly | |
| <Simon80> I've thought of this | |
| <Simon80> http://www.manucornet.net/pcjacking/ | |
| <Simon80> from the same guy, lmao | |
| <Simon80> that's awesome, he's my hero | |
| <tonyyarusso> Simon80: I totally did that! Edgy release day, the Staples in town! | |
| <Simon80> nice | |
| <Simon80> edgy is buggy though :( | |
| <tonyyarusso> I plan more such exploits in the near future too. | |
| <lophyte> we gotta do that for the Feisty release | |
| <Simon80> totem movie resize... ekiga | |
| <lophyte> in Toronto | |
| <tonyyarusso> It was even better than just jacking and running. | |
| <Simon80> yeah, feisty, fuck yeah | |
| <tonyyarusso> I spent an *hour* in the store talking to people about it before they caught on. | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <Simon80> they put an end to it, eh? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Eventually. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Two employees walked by while I was talking to someone. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Asked if I worked there. | |
| <tonyyarusso> "Nope" | |
| <tonyyarusso> "Hmm. You need to leave then." | |
| <tonyyarusso> "'k" | |
| <tonyyarusso> was all friendly-like, mostly | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <rexbron> tonyyarusso: you forgot you can smoke at 18 | |
| <Simon80> yuck | |
| <Simon80> that's bad | |
| <tonyyarusso> rexbron: Oh yeah. But smokers should be shipped to foreign lands. | |
| <lophyte> rexbron: not in the US, I don't think | |
| <lophyte> or can you? | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: Most states yes. | |
| <lophyte> ah | |
| <tonyyarusso> And you can smoke in workplaces and restaurants most places too - it's awful. | |
| <rexbron> I am anti-smoke mind you | |
| <lophyte> same | |
| <Simon80> :) | |
| <rexbron> just making the point that you can kill your lungs at 18 | |
| <tonyyarusso> I wish they'd start enforcing the laws here though. | |
| <tonyyarusso> The 9m from any door thing? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Makes me want to just smack people. Or start carrying a supersoaker | |
| <lophyte> okay | |
| <lophyte> victory is not mine | |
| <Simon80> :( | |
| <Simon80> put your foot down | |
| <Simon80> I mean, if she needs support | |
| <lophyte> the 12 year old just asked me to set up a dual boot on her machine | |
| <lophyte> I was like | |
| <lophyte> I thought you just said Linux was better | |
| <lophyte> "it is but I miss Windows" | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <lophyte> in other words, she misses the fancy shit you can do with MSN Messenger | |
| <Simon80> ah | |
| <Simon80> is she using kopete? | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <Simon80> doesn't have winks or custom emoticons, that's it | |
| <lophyte> yup | |
| <Simon80> it sort of does have custom emoticons... someone needs to add UI to control it | |
| <lophyte> she wants winks :P | |
| <Simon80> that's horrible, winks are the work of satan | |
| <lophyte> indeed, but she's 12. | |
| * rexbron never found any use for winks | |
| <Simon80> yep | |
| <lophyte> kids like fancy things | |
| <Simon80> don't worry, she'll grow up | |
| <Simon80> :D | |
| <rexbron> lol | |
| <tonyyarusso> I hate all "the fancy shit". Messengers are for *gasp* messages! | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <lophyte> me too | |
| <rexbron> lophyte: set her up with beryl | |
| <Simon80> haha | |
| <Simon80> yeah | |
| <rexbron> that some fancy shit | |
| <rexbron> *thats | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| <lophyte> her computer isn't good enough | |
| <Simon80> or compiz.. if you're lazy, compiz is easier to set up... I guess beryl's got more candy though | |
| <Simon80> specs? | |
| <rexbron> who needs winks when your windows WOBBLE ! | |
| <lophyte> P3 733 | |
| <rexbron> keep her busy for hours | |
| <lophyte> I think 128mb ram | |
| <Simon80> oh, 128 is bad | |
| <lophyte> and a crappy video card | |
| <rexbron> xubuntu maybe? | |
| <Simon80> damn compiz for not working with virtual desktops | |
| <tonyyarusso> What's the next major shopping season? ie, when would be good to PC-jack? | |
| <rexbron> I would be so into that | |
| <tonyyarusso> Should we organize a PC-jacking day through ubuntu-ca? | |
| <Simon80> it just flattened my 3 workspaces | |
| <Simon80> haha, nice | |
| <Simon80> I should bookmark that site | |
| <lophyte> tonyyarusso: yes.. feisty release date. | |
| <rexbron> Simon80: try alt arrow | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: Sounds good. Hopefully it will release early morning again so we can get burning. | |
| <rexbron> Simon80: if you have enabled compiz, the cube is most likely active | |
| <Simon80> rexbron, I'm not a n00b | |
| <rexbron> lol ok | |
| <tonyyarusso> I wonder how many stores there are for me to hit? | |
| <Simon80> it does not work with fd.org's workspace switching crazyness, it used to, this is plain and simply a bug | |
| <rexbron> how was I to know? :P | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <Simon80> I'm on IRC :D | |
| <Simon80> that's a lie | |
| <rexbron> O.o | |
| <tonyyarusso> Future Shop, Staples, should look into others | |
| <rexbron> the mac store on campus! | |
| <tonyyarusso> Future shop doesn't even have their laptops' CD bays blocked by the locking mechanism like Staples. | |
| <tonyyarusso> rexbron: You have a mac store? sweet | |
| <tonyyarusso> Staples you can only do the desktops. | |
| <rexbron> its more of a mac reseller | |
| <tonyyarusso> But........... | |
| <Simon80> eh? | |
| <tonyyarusso> One of those completely unsecured desktops is hooked up to a like 2m widescreen monitor, right by the front door. | |
| <Simon80> why not the lappies | |
| <Simon80> haha | |
| <tonyyarusso> That's the last target :P | |
| <tonyyarusso> Then bolt | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <rexbron> lol gogogog | |
| <Simon80> if you bolt, they'll remove t though | |
| <Simon80> defeats the purpose | |
| <rexbron> the linux bombshell has been planted | |
| <Simon80> it* | |
| <tonyyarusso> Well, not bolt _visibly_, just saunter to the door and watch from the parking lot with a stopwatch. | |
| <tonyyarusso> And if 10 minutes later some employees see it, they will _have_ to go find the manager, and there will be a commotion, and everyone in the checkout line will notice. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Oooh, he makes a good point. If you hit at lunch time they'll be under-staffed won't they? | |
| <tonyyarusso> "This is the Knoppix Linux live distribution. I usually prefer Ubuntu, both install and live versions, but it required me to first answer a few questions using the keyboard before it really starts, and this make pcjacking harder." | |
| <tonyyarusso> Is this still true? I don't use live CDs much. | |
| <lophyte> no | |
| <lophyte> Ubuntu boots right into the Live CD | |
| <tonyyarusso> Awesome | |
| <tonyyarusso> That's what I thought - this must be old | |
| <tonyyarusso> A bunch of us have web space to host pictures of the exploits too don't we? | |
| * tonyyarusso is getting excited already for April | |
| <Simon80> http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10080745&catid=24713# | |
| <Simon80> hahahahahaha | |
| <Simon80> lmao | |
| <Simon80> select excerpts: | |
| <Simon80> A New Style of Gaming | |
| <Simon80> Wii will break down that wall that separates video game players from everybody else. | |
| <Simon80> and a header: | |
| <Simon80> Break Down The Walls | |
| <Simon80> you all know what I mean, right? | |
| <tonyyarusso> no.. | |
| <Simon80> http://www.wiidamage.com/ | |
| <Simon80> :D | |
| <tonyyarusso> aaah, right | |
| <Simon80> yea | |
| <Simon80> fun times | |
| <tonyyarusso> eep, someone tried to PC jack with a hard drive install. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Now that's just stupid | |
| <lophyte> indeed | |
| <Simon80> yeah | |
| <Simon80> so um | |
| <Simon80> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Members | |
| <Simon80> how exclusive is this page, can I add myself? | |
| <MagicFab> Simon80, go ahead | |
| <MagicFab> As long as you really are/intend to participate :) | |
| <Simon80> ok, but what does member's denote | |
| <Simon80> participate how? | |
| <Simon80> lol | |
| <MagicFab> BTW, hilarious (wiidamage) | |
| <Simon80> yeah, hole in TV | |
| <Simon80> it's sad/funny | |
| <MagicFab> brb | |
| <tonyyarusso> Simon80: That page is pretty much open, it's just so we can keep track, not indicative of special status, afaik | |
| <Simon80> ok | |
| <Simon80> ty | |
| <lophyte> indeed. | |
| <lophyte> it's more or less a list of Canadian Ubuntu users, rather than "members" | |
| <lophyte> there's people on there that have never been in here | |
| <lophyte> and (I don't think) participate in the community at all | |
| <lophyte> they're just users | |
| <Simon80> lol, damn users | |
| <Simon80> "using" things | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| <lophyte> woot | |
| <lophyte> timbits are no match for davebits | |
| <deadcell> | |
| <deadcell> sd | |
| *** deadcell is now known as Azimuth | |
| <Wrongway> anyone else awake at stupid o'clock in the morning? | |
| <Wrongway> well, at least it's stupid o'clock on the wet coast | |
| <Wrongway> yup, guess everyone's either sleeping or should be sleeping | |
| <Wrongway> I'm a newbie to ubuntu, I'll be back at a sensible hour with some q's | |
| <mneptok> heh | |
| <mneptok> "no one answered me in less than 30 seconds. that means no one is active." | |
| <lophyte> oi.. yay for pop presentations | |
| <Alan-D> Hi people | |
| <Alan-D> I can't get my linux server to see my windows network, can somebody help me? | |
| <ejer> Alan-D: try typing smbtree | |
| <ejer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: it only sees itself | |
| <ejer> check the dox | |
| <ejer> go to places>network servers | |
| <ejer> make sure windows firewall is not active, or is allowing windows sharing | |
| <ejer> make sure something is being shared of course | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: under network servers it sees my domain | |
| <ejer> ok | |
| <ejer> so log onto domain | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: now it work, but I don't understand why...:'( | |
| <ejer> because I am helping :) | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: lol | |
| <ejer> going to network servers is good way, everything is done automatic | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: The only change that I make was to remove the domain name under that share | |
| <ejer> here is some info on samba and domains https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSambaPDC | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: Would you happen to know why my NT server can see my linux server, but not my AD servers? :-/ | |
| <ejer> has it been joined to AD? | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: I haven't been able to join it to AD domain | |
| <ejer> this would be the problem I guess | |
| <ejer> I would ask in #samba | |
| <ejer> I am certainly no AD expert | |
| <Alan-D> ejer: Thanks..I'll look it up on that channel | |
| <ejer> np | |
| <dwatson> Hi I was hoping to get a little help with utf-8 and locale setup .. does anyone know how/where to look for this ?? | |
| <ejer> dwatson: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales | |
| <dwatson> Hi Thanks for your help .. | |
| <dwatson> Is this the same tool as on other debian type systems ?? | |
| <dwatson> Or do you know .. ?? | |
| <ejer> yes | |
| <ejer> same deal AFGAIK | |
| <dwatson> Great thanks for your help .. I'm going to try to see if this works .. I'm working on an embedded system that needs to support utf-8 | |
| <ejer> cool good luck! | |
| <lophyte-> hey Burgwork | |
| <Burgwork> hey lophyte- | |
| <lophyte-> back in Victoria? | |
| *** lophyte- is now known as lophyte | |
| <mylesbraithwaite> if anyone has some time take a look at this survey http://www.gridter.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi?survey_name=survey | |
| <Burgwork> mylesbraithwaite: sourcce? | |
| <mylesbraithwaite> anyone http://www.gridter.com/survey.html | |
| <Burgwork> who created that survey? | |
| <mylesbraithwaite> i am not sure just found it on digg | |
| <ejer> are my eyes deceiving me or is gentoo 4th most popular distro on that list? | |
| <ejer> pretty silly survey I must say | |
| <Wrongway> hey yo all | |
| <Wrongway> any gurus available? | |
| <ejer> no, but I am here :) | |
| <Wrongway> you'll do :P | |
| <Wrongway> I've just recently installed ubuntu, so I'm still comparing everything to windows | |
| <ejer> np | |
| <Wrongway> I'm having issues with permissions mostly | |
| <ejer> ok | |
| <ejer> what's the beef | |
| <Wrongway> all these folders are telling me I'm not the owner and can't do stuff to them | |
| <Wrongway> the main one is my other harddrive, which I've mounted to /media/storage | |
| <Wrongway> I'm able to read/execute files on that drive, but not write | |
| <ejer> ok | |
| <johanbr> Wrongway: Which file system do you have on the drive? | |
| <Wrongway> NTFS on the 2nd drive | |
| <ejer> is it an external hard drive? | |
| <Wrongway> no | |
| <johanbr> How do you mount the drive? | |
| <Wrongway> got some help from #ubuntu to do that a couple days ago | |
| <Wrongway> not quite sure what all went down | |
| <johanbr> What do you do to mount it? | |
| <Wrongway> did something or other in that godawful dosprompt---err, terminal window | |
| <Wrongway> now I just go to /mount/storage to view the files in it | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: by default you will only have read access to it | |
| <Wrongway> ok | |
| <ejer> best thing to do is copy the files off it, and reformat it to a linux file system | |
| <ejer> there are other ways, but they get complicated | |
| <Wrongway> let's try and get complicated then | |
| <Wrongway> not quite ready to swear off windows completely yet | |
| <Wrongway> there's still enough space on that drive to install windows if need be :p | |
| <ejer> ok | |
| <ejer> you are running 6.10? | |
| <Wrongway> no | |
| <Wrongway> the LTS one | |
| <ejer> ok | |
| <ejer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009 | |
| <ejer> follow steps for dapper | |
| <Wrongway> alrighty, here goes nothing | |
| <Wrongway> ty | |
| <ejer> np | |
| <ejer> I'll be here, just say my name to get my attention | |
| <Wrongway> there's a pause in the action as I run out to my work for a few minutes | |
| <Wrongway> but it's not looking good | |
| <Wrongway> I'm disliking gaim for irc... what's the standard for ubuntu? (I loved mIRC for windows) | |
| <tonyyarusso> Wrongway: xchat is way nicer (universe) | |
| <Wrongway> all the xstuff isn't like all the kstuff where you need a special desktop environment to be able to use it, right? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Nope | |
| <tonyyarusso> !info xchat | |
| <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB | |
| <Wrongway> got it. kstuff bad for me, xstuff ok | |
| <Wrongway> cool, ty | |
| <Wrongway> and I'm starting to get the feeling that packages are easy(easier) to install with the package manager, and anything I find online that I want to install is a royal pain in the ash | |
| <tonyyarusso> Pretty much | |
| <tonyyarusso> There are 20,000 packages in the repos, so it's pretty rare you'd need to do it manually | |
| <Wrongway> one thing I've looked for is a scrobbler, but the 4 I've found are for specific players, not for whatever's playing | |
| <tonyyarusso> What on earth is a scrobbler? | |
| <ejer> you will not find a general scrobble | |
| <ejer> scrobbler | |
| <Wrongway> btw, what's the equivalent of winamp for linux? | |
| <ejer> not that I have seen anyways | |
| <ejer> beep-media-player | |
| <ejer> clone | |
| <Wrongway> ok. there's a scrobbler for beep I saw | |
| <ejer> there is one for any program you choose pretty much | |
| <ejer> you may want to try amarok | |
| <ejer> it is very powerful and pretty | |
| <ejer> especially if you listen to last.fm streams | |
| <Wrongway> tonyyarusso: www.last.fm I've just started to get interested in scrobbling actually | |
| <ejer> tonyyarusso: a scrobbler sends the song you are listening to to last.fm | |
| <ejer> hehe | |
| <tonyyarusso> Wrongway: Oh, btw for the kstuff you don't actually need the KDE desktp environment, just a couple of libraries. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Ah, okay | |
| <tonyyarusso> I just started with last.fm, but didn't know the term | |
| <Wrongway> lol | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: are you member of the linux and canada groups?\ | |
| <Wrongway> cool. there were a few kgames I was missing out on (backgammon) | |
| <Wrongway> nope | |
| <Wrongway> I'm a member of the throw-me-a-lifering-please! group | |
| <tonyyarusso> hehe | |
| <Wrongway> this is my first week with ubuntu | |
| <ejer> nice | |
| <ejer> you will get by | |
| <Wrongway> some features are cool, some I'd like to upuntu | |
| <ejer> everything can be changed | |
| <ejer> eventually | |
| <lophyte> hey folks | |
| <ejer> which is both a strength and a problem at times | |
| <Wrongway> exactly | |
| <tonyyarusso> hey lophyte | |
| <ejer> hi lophyte | |
| <lophyte> so... I got my gf to consider Linux again | |
| <tonyyarusso> yay | |
| <tonyyarusso> How's it going so far? | |
| <tonyyarusso> What'd you try? | |
| <ejer> you da man | |
| <lophyte> she argued that its not simple to install stuff | |
| <lophyte> and I argued that it is, I just need to show her | |
| <ejer> easier than on windows anyways | |
| * Wrongway will take lophyte's gf's side | |
| <tonyyarusso> hehe, case in point, Gobby | |
| <tonyyarusso> Wait, you have to install Gtk first | |
| <lophyte> she was trying to download shockwave by going to Adobe's website and downloading it | |
| <tonyyarusso> Oh, and then Gtkmm | |
| <tonyyarusso> THEN gobby | |
| <ejer> I mean, everything you could want is in a list, you click install and done | |
| <tonyyarusso> Oh, you have Gtk already for gaim and they conflict? crud :P | |
| <ejer> on windows you have to go searching around the web, download the right file, etc etc | |
| * tonyyarusso hugs apt-get install gobby | |
| <ejer> the difficulty with new users is knowing WHAT to install | |
| <ejer> to do x | |
| <lophyte> yeah.. but you can search by task, not just package name | |
| <lophyte> ie. you can search for "desktop publishing" | |
| <lophyte> instead of just "scribus" | |
| <ejer> yes, but like Wrongway wants, to have RW on ntfs | |
| <ejer> what is he going to even look for? | |
| <Wrongway> yupyup | |
| <lophyte> ntfs? :P | |
| <ejer> and plus it is not in dapper's repo | |
| <ejer> does he necessarily know it is ntfs? | |
| <lophyte> ah, bummer | |
| <lophyte> ntfs-ng3 is in edgy's depos | |
| <ejer> oh I know :) | |
| <ejer> but this is the diff with newer users | |
| <lophyte> indeed | |
| <lophyte> well ntfs-g3 is in feisty's default install, isn't it? | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: -3g you mean? | |
| <lophyte> er | |
| <lophyte> yeah | |
| <ejer> yes | |
| <lophyte> whatever.. hehe | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophyte: Not yet at least. | |
| <ejer> but LTS is a draw to users | |
| <lophyte> agreed | |
| <ejer> they want the stability, but need the cutting edge features | |
| <lophyte> I don't recommend Edgy to new users | |
| <ejer> I left the office I support on dapper | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: http://www.last.fm/user/bennerstul/groups/ | |
| <Wrongway> ty | |
| <Wrongway> I don't actually have anything recorded on my account yet, but my username is soberrover | |
| <Wrongway> there's gonna be a lot of canadian stuff on it | |
| <Wrongway> BNL, crashtest dummies, spirit of the west, great big sea, buddy wasisname, stompin tom, bif naked | |
| <ejer> sent you a friend request | |
| <ejer> hehe I am playing podcasts that are getting scrobbled on the mac | |
| <ejer> wonder if I can delete those | |
| <Wrongway> lol. none of which are on the top10 artist list for the canadian scrobblers group | |
| <ejer> good | |
| <Wrongway> added | |
| <tonyyarusso> Wrongway: great big sea eh? I've heard of them | |
| <Wrongway> after I spend a week scrobbling I'm gonna post a note on my LJ to get my friends on it | |
| <ejer> good stuff | |
| <Wrongway> yup | |
| <ejer> you like bela? | |
| <Wrongway> I work at a gas station :P | |
| <ejer> fleck | |
| <ejer> you seem to like the bluegrassy stuff | |
| <Wrongway> one of the few gas stations on the west coast that you can expect to hear east coast music (when I'm working) | |
| <Wrongway> never heard of bela | |
| <Wrongway> I like canadian stuff. better lyrics | |
| <lophyte> ryanakca: is your GPG key on the ubuntu keyservers? I can't find it.. | |
| <ryanakca> lophyte: yeah | |
| <Wrongway> I don't like country, but I like stompin tom | |
| <Wrongway> y'know? | |
| <ryanakca> E95EDDC9 | |
| <ryanakca> http://launchpad.net/~ryanakca | |
| <lophyte> odd.. | |
| <lophyte> I search for "Ryan" and nothing comes up | |
| <ejer> wget is giving me Read error (Connection timed out) in headers. | |
| <lophyte> got it | |
| <ejer> is that the normal timeout message | |
| <ejer> I don't remember seeing 'in headers' | |
| <Wrongway> and what's the best for using an ipod? | |
| <Wrongway> I don't know of an equivalent for windows, cuz itunes pissed me off | |
| <ejer> amarok is good for that | |
| <Wrongway> apple programmers have their head up their ash... well, at least when they try and program for windows users | |
| <Wrongway> ok | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software | |
| <Wrongway> ooh, nice | |
| <ejer> there are a bunch of lists like that | |
| <Wrongway> right on | |
| <ryanakca> amarok is good :) | |
| <ejer> that one looks pretty up to date | |
| <ejer> amarok is best | |
| <ejer> it can actually catalog collections | |
| <ejer> but it still crashes on me | |
| <Wrongway> lol | |
| <Wrongway> is gabber any good compared to gaim? | |
| <Wrongway> I use gtalk which needs a jabber client | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: http://www.linuxeq.com/ | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: use gaim, it has jabber builtin | |
| <ejer> so you can use gtalk | |
| <ejer> plus you can use IRC, msn, aol whatever | |
| <ejer> http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073 | |
| <Wrongway> nice. bookmarking those pages | |
| <Wrongway> yeah, I started with gaim, and I've moved my msn to amsn and gonna move my irc to xchat | |
| <ryanakca> kopete is good for IM as well | |
| <ejer> I like gaim because I use the portable one in windows as well | |
| <ejer> but kopete is good, and is more shiny | |
| <ryanakca> konversation for IRC... KMail for mail/rss/news/calendar... kgpg for gpg... amarok for music... konqueror for file browsing... system settings for system settings... you're set :) | |
| <ryanakca> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :D | |
| <ejer> in other words, install kubuntu-desktop :) | |
| <ejer> ha | |
| <tonyyarusso> nah, gnome's nice | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: you should try KDE, it is possibly going to be more familiar | |
| <tonyyarusso> Gaim, Thunderbird, Seahorse, Rhythmbox, Firefox, gnome-control-center would be the equivalents to all of those. | |
| <ejer> I still switch all the time | |
| <Wrongway> I've had no success with rhythmbox, which was the default player | |
| <tonyyarusso> how so? | |
| <Wrongway> couldn't play anything without plugins | |
| <ejer> banshee is cool | |
| <Wrongway> so I'm using vlc for now | |
| <ejer> or was last time I tried it, but amarok is the way | |
| <tonyyarusso> Well, you need codecs is you have non-free formats of course | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats | |
| <ejer> that will let you play anything | |
| <ryanakca> K3B is really nice too... | |
| <tonyyarusso> I'll give you that one. | |
| <ejer> yep I use k3b in both desktops | |
| <Wrongway> yeah. I found vlc when I tried playing dvds in windows | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: Ensure the relevant repositories are enabled. Click System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager -> Settings -> Repositories and then click Add. Check the Community maintained (Universe)' and Non-free (Multiverse) boxes. When you close the window, click Reload | |
| <ejer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui | |
| <ejer> I love the names of the gstreamer plugins | |
| <tonyyarusso> gstreamer0.10-omgwhycan'tyoujustbefree-proprietartyhoodlums-grrrrr | |
| <ejer> hehe | |
| <Wrongway> reloading now | |
| <ejer> proprietarty - I like that | |
| <Wrongway> so now... what's the purpose of all the sudo apt-get bs ? | |
| * ejer goes to register proprietarty.com | |
| <tonyyarusso> oops | |
| <ejer> Wrongway: go to Applications>terminal | |
| <ryanakca> lol | |
| <Wrongway> a little too tarty for me :p | |
| <ejer> copy what I pasted and SHIFT-INSERT to paste it into the terminal | |
| <Wrongway> yup, ik | |
| <ejer> or right click and paste | |
| <Wrongway> just wondering what the purpose/end result is | |
| <ejer> to install all the codecs you need to watch/listen to any format in all programs | |
| <Wrongway> good enough for me | |
| <ejer> read the description on the page | |
| <ejer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats | |
| <ejer> tells all the secrets | |
| <Wrongway> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) | |
| <Wrongway> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | |
| <ejer> close synaptic | |
| <Wrongway> gotcha | |
| <ejer> or the add/remove programs window | |
| <Wrongway> there we go, ty for that | |
| <Wrongway> (30%) | |
| <ejer> if you want to be able to play weird asf and wmv files you actually have to do this too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs | |
| <Wrongway> yup, gonna need that | |
| <ejer> but very possible you will not need it | |
| <ejer> but it is easy to do | |
| <Wrongway> what's been done might have taken care of it? | |
| <ejer> no | |
| <Wrongway> ok, nm. then I will need it | |
| <ejer> but it can handle 'normal' wmvs | |
| <ejer> as far as I know | |
| <ejer> but just do it anyways, 2 more steps | |
| <Wrongway> well... who knows what my friends will send me over msn | |
| <ejer> exact | |
| <ejer> for playing videos there are many choices of client, but VLC is a good choice | |
| <Wrongway> can't remember what I preferred for that. I think it was wmp so I could keep winamp playing music without reloading my playlist | |
| <Wrongway> oh, that's another thing... I hope either amarok or beep has global hotkeys, cuz I grew accustomed to those in winamp | |
| <ejer> hotkeys? | |
| <ejer> sure | |
| <ejer> windows-b to skip to next song | |
| <ejer> amarok is far more advanced than any media player I have seen for windows | |
| <Wrongway> cool | |
| <ejer> http://amarok.kde.org/ | |
| <Wrongway> those useless web buttons on the top of some keyboards (back, forward, stop, mail, etc) were what I used for winamp | |
| <ejer> they have a non-drm music store(!) | |
| <ejer> oh that | |
| <ejer> yes you can do it | |
| <ejer> I never bother | |
| <ejer> I forget the name of the app that will do it | |
| <ejer> lets you program any keyboard button | |
| <Wrongway> I've got a bunch of fred penner and fraggle rock songs I skip through often :p | |
| <ejer> long time I since I heard fred penner | |
| <Wrongway> looking back on his show... I think he had a wee bit of an effect on me :P | |
| <ejer> check this out http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Scripts | |
| <ejer> all the plugins you can use in amarok | |
| <Wrongway> ty | |
| <Wrongway> one thing I don't like about ubuntu is the folder structure | |
| <Wrongway> everything is everywhere, like in my room | |
| <Wrongway> in windows, all the junk was in C:/Windows | |
| <Wrongway> programs in C:/Program Files | |
| <ejer> still is like that, you just need to know the way linux does it | |
| <ejer> for instance, where was the settings for you programs kept in windows? | |
| <ejer> your | |
| <ejer> god knows is the correct answer :) | |
| <Wrongway> lol | |
| <ejer> in linux, they are all under /home/yourname | |
| <ejer> if you back that up, you have all your settings and desktop and stuff backed up | |
| <Wrongway> C:/document&setting/yourname (same diff :P) | |
| <ejer> basically you will never need to go looking outside this folder | |
| <ejer> registry entries? | |
| <Wrongway> all that stuff was in regedit | |
| <ejer> indeed | |
| <Wrongway> start>run>regedit | |
| <ejer> so to back up say your MS Office profile? | |
| <ejer> it gets tricky | |
| <Wrongway> I'm one of those brainless fools who backs up nothing | |
| <ejer> anyways, not really saying one is better, this is how linux does it | |
| <ejer> /usr/bin is where most programs are, like 'Program Files" | |
| <ejer> /bin is sort of like system32 | |
| <Wrongway> gotta remember that | |
| <Wrongway> I was trying to open with a specific program, and clicked the browse button | |
| <Wrongway> didn't have a clue where to look | |
| <Wrongway> couldn't find it | |
| <ejer> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/5022-linux-directory-structure-overview.html | |
| <Wrongway> and forgot what I was looking for | |
| <ejer> the terminal is your friend | |
| <Wrongway> by now :P | |
| <ejer> applications>accessories>terminal | |
| * Wrongway backs away from the terminal slowly | |
| <ejer> you start typing the name of the program, and hit TAB | |
| <ejer> it will autocomplete | |
| <ejer> also, you can do this quickly with ALT-F2 | |
| <ejer> you can run any program on the system with this | |
| <Wrongway> I never did get much of a handle on the Fbuttons. alt-F4 I know. and F5 for refresh | |
| <ejer> I think that alt code is gnome specific | |
| <ejer> it is just a handy shortcut | |
| <Wrongway> ok | |
| <ejer> hmm no, it works in kde | |
| <Wrongway> I love the workspace feature though. throwing programs around to get to later and clear up clutter | |
| <ejer> yes, it is a big draw | |
| <ejer> although windows has had something like it... it just doesn't work too well | |
| <Wrongway> does that ever get dangerous though? bite off more than your ram can chew? | |
| <ejer> ubuntu is pretty stable | |
| <Wrongway> :p | |
| <ejer> if anything stuff will start to slow down | |
| <Wrongway> I've had a few system freezes | |
| <ejer> and you will use that as a warning to go buy more ram :) | |
| <Wrongway> I'm thinking of getting more ram | |
| <ejer> you know ctrl-alt-backspace? DON'T do this now! | |
| <Wrongway> I've got one stick of 256 which must have a bad sector, cuz it only counts as 192 | |
| <ejer> ya that suckz | |
| <ejer> get at least 512 | |
| <Wrongway> had to borrow a stick of my roommate's ram to run the live cd to install this | |
| <ejer> if your system is frozen, ctrl-alt-backspace will restart graphics and go back to login screen | |
| <Wrongway> I think I'm gonna get an additional 512 :P | |
| <ejer> check if your stick is bad | |
| <ejer> if it is toss it | |
| <ejer> if you hit esc while you boot up, it gives you an option for a memory test | |
| <Wrongway> backspace and not delete? (windows used delete) | |
| <ejer> yes | |
| <ejer> it does not reboot the computer | |
| <ejer> just resets the graphics system | |
| <Wrongway> nice | |
| <ejer> very handy | |
| <Wrongway> I've had to kill the screensaver cuz everytime I came home everything would be frozen due to it | |
| <ejer> ctrl-alt-del restarts, but only when graphics is not running | |
| <ejer> screensaver = lots of ram | |
| <ejer> 256 is kind of minimum for ubuntu I would say | |
| <Wrongway> more ram it will be | |
| <ejer> for a decent experience | |
| <Wrongway> good thing I played that pulltab yesterday | |
| <ejer> i use 2G | |
| <Wrongway> was at a staff party. one guy spent $20 and got nothing. I played one 50c ticket and won $50 | |
| <ejer> hehe | |
| <Wrongway> another girl played a lot though, she won $400 | |
| <ejer> I am installing gentoo on a vps, they must hate me :) | |
| <Wrongway> vps? | |
| <ejer> virtual private server | |
| <Wrongway> ok | |
| <ejer> it is like a hosting account | |
| <ejer> but you get root | |
| <ejer> meaning you can do anything | |
| <ejer> install stuff etc | |
| <ejer> and it is a big nasty powerful machine :) | |
| <Wrongway> lol | |
| <Wrongway> yup, amarok isn't recognizing the useless browsing buttons | |
| <ejer> no it won't by default | |
| <ejer> you have to use a script | |
| <Wrongway> and now the windows button is just an extra control or alt button basically, eh | |
| <ejer> yes | |
| <ejer> but it is all configurable | |
| <ejer> nice screenshots of amarok http://www.last.fm/group/Amarok+Users/forum/18538/_/178145/3 | |
| <Wrongway> cool | |
| <Wrongway> I like setting settings, but idk if I'll consider the terminal my friend | |
| <Wrongway> I never considered the dos-prompt my friend | |
| <Wrongway> figured out a wee bit of it | |
| <ejer> ya you don't really need it | |
| <ejer> I am old skool | |
| <Wrongway> lol | |
| <ejer> linux has progressed a lot | |
| <Wrongway> that's good that linux is getting away from it | |
| <Wrongway> windows didn't really catch on huge till dos became largely useless | |
| <ejer> but you will need to read a fair bit to do all these 'tweaky' things | |
| <Wrongway> before that, it was the mac classic | |
| <ejer> yes | |
| <ejer> the beauty is, if things go very wrong, you can do anything from the terminal you need | |
| <ejer> and also you can run remote systems very easily | |
| <ejer> but it is a tool, just like any gui tool | |
| <ejer> and gnome has put plenty of effort into the gui | |
| <Wrongway> yay for gui's |