| <frederific> right, best be off to bed | |
| <Seeker`> night | |
| <frederific> night all | |
| <chaddy> nn | |
| <tsmithe> night all | |
| <frederific> grr, forgot to turn off bliddy "bleep on message" thingummy | |
| <dsas> how'd the talk go jono? | |
| <jono> went well | |
| <jono> nice audience, good questions, good fun :) | |
| <dsas> sweet :) | |
| <Seeker`> lo jono | |
| <jono> hey Seeker` | |
| * Seeker` is talking to ausimage about the bot | |
| <Mez> anyone know of any things similar to LINX/LoNAP in the Birmingham Area? | |
| <dotwaffle> Think Gloucester might be the closest one to there... Although if all goes to plan (Crosses fingers) there might be one in Nottingham in a year or so | |
| <Mez> wondering of what a good choice for an leased line in brum is... | |
| <dotwaffle> Why leased line? | |
| <Mez> for a business | |
| <Mez> "up to 8 meg broadband" isnt good enough | |
| <Mez> nor is thir 2mb SDSL line | |
| <dotwaffle> You mean, like an E3 or something? | |
| <dotwaffle> Or maybe an optical carrier? | |
| <Mez> yeah | |
| <Mez> something that has both good u/s and d/s speeds, and is affordable | |
| <dotwaffle> I hear there are STM-0 links in Brum, they're 51840kb/s if mmory serves... | |
| <dotwaffle> Who knows :) | |
| <dotwaffle> I might be building a data center in Nottingham in 12 months, so I'm doing research ;0 | |
| <Mez> dotwaffle - if you need employees ;) | |
| <Mez> I'm willing to relocate :P | |
| <dotwaffle> Mez, where are you physcially? | |
| <Mez> Birmingham | |
| <dotwaffle> You never know, then :) | |
| <Mez> so i could technically commute ;) (2 hours either way on train :P) | |
| <dotwaffle> We have a meeting to discuss viability in about a month ;) | |
| <Mez> dotwaffle, where would the best place to look up something for them ? | |
| <Mez> (this is a gaming arena - plus they're linked to 80 uk centres - so - if one company can offer them a good deall the other swill follow suit) | |
| <dotwaffle> Mez: OH! I see what you're getting at, now :) Trust me, not worth it, the price is gigantic. | |
| <Mez> well, they used to have a leased line here... | |
| <Mez> they're just looking for somethign a bit meatier than a 2mb SDSL connection | |
| <Mez> but with good upstream aswell | |
| <dotwaffle> Best thing to do would be to do something like talk to BT to see what Fiber they have local, otherwise it's going to cost megabucks :( | |
| <dotwaffle> Yeah, I know what you mean | |
| <dotwaffle> I think BTBusiness are the people to talk to | |
| <Mez> hmm... | |
| * Mez points a cantenna over at the uni and hacks into janet | |
| <dotwaffle> Not JANET, but you might have luck with UKERNA, maybe :S | |
| <Mez> was a joke about JANET :P | |
| <dotwaffle> I was being half-serious :) | |
| * Mez cant find much info about UKERNA | |
| <dotwaffle> Don't worry about it, to be honest unless you're really short of luck, they won't take you, if it's for gaming. | |
| <Mez> bt's website is VERY unhelpful | |
| <dotwaffle> i know, it sucks donkey cock, big time | |
| <Mez> so, in your opinion what would be a good solution for a gaming cafe that wanted good up/down speed, but cheap(ish) and no too much hassle | |
| <dotwaffle> to be honest, don't think you cna do it. | |
| <dotwaffle> not without some serious sponsorship | |
| <dotwaffle> how many machines are you talking about? | |
| <Mez> 15 game machines, 10 browsing machines and a STEAM server | |
| <dotwaffle> let me do some sums ;) | |
| <dotwaffle> and 2Mbit won't do? | |
| <Mez> thats what they have now... and it sucks ass | |
| <Mez> too much lag if someone downloads ANYTHING | |
| <dotwaffle> can you not have a 2Mbit SDSL and then a 8 or more ADSL and do some channel bonding/packet shaping using a Linux box? | |
| <Mez> sounds like an idea... but how hard would it be to implement (they'[ve tried shaping before and apparently it lagged all the games out | |
| <dotwaffle> if you've got two seperate lines... SHOULD be ok, but I don't know, never done that kind of thing with low=latency connections... | |
| <dotwaffle> Unless you just have two networks... Gaming on the SDSL, Browsing on the ADSL | |
| <Mez> but then sharing the servers and crap is a PITA | |
| <Mez> I mean - I've suggested these - but again - without trying - I dont knwo how it'd be | |
| <Mez> and well... We dont really have much room to try | |
| <dotwaffle> yeah, i know... hmmmm | |
| <Mez> i mean they had an e3 for like £8000 a year | |
| <Seeker`> night all | |
| <dotwaffle> Mez: That's pretty outrageous... | |
| <Mez> yeah I know | |
| <mrben> morning all | |
| <GazzaK> hey Seeker` & mrben | |
| <Seeker`> heya | |
| <Seeker`> how are you today? | |
| <GazzaK> tired | |
| <GazzaK> still only about 80% | |
| <Seeker`> :S | |
| <bongo> hello | |
| <GazzaK> hello bongo | |
| <GazzaK> !hi | bongo | |
| <ubotu> bongo: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! | |
| <GazzaK> :-) | |
| <bongo> How is everyone? | |
| <Seeker`> not bad | |
| <bongo> i just burned ubuntu iso to a disc and im quite excited about putting it on my pc for a try out | |
| <bongo> anything i should know before i give it a go? Im extremely new to Linux but im itching to change over! hah! | |
| <CieD> bongo, not really, just get it in there and enjoy! | |
| <bongo> ok im gonna have a play. | |
| <bongo> i might be back later with lots of questions! | |
| <popey> morning | |
| <CieD> hi Al | |
| <GazzaK> woo audacious is cool | |
| <Seeker`> lo popey | |
| <CieD> popey, seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkhMcyuYroA | |
| <CieD> made me think of you :) | |
| <popey> haha | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <popey> i love that video | |
| <popey> the fact he gets html and javascript in the lyrics is genius | |
| <CieD> I downloaded the track! | |
| <CieD> an ogg of course ;) | |
| <bongo> So i immediately noticed my network card didnt work on Ubuntu. Do I search for the drivers online and put them on a memoery stick or something to install them that way? | |
| <CieD> didn't it? What card is it? | |
| <CieD> How do you know it wasn't working? | |
| <Seeker`> bongo: Wired or wireless | |
| <bongo> Its a Belkin Pre-N wireless card. There was just nothing running through it. No lights on etc. It didnt like my internal sound card either. i take it i need drivers for everything! hah!. | |
| <bongo> brb | |
| <Seeker`> bongo: What is the wireless card model number? | |
| <GazzaK> bongo, I had to download network-manager and # out all the entries in /etc/network/interfaces reboot and it worked? | |
| <snail> anyone know of any uk-specific open source planet sites, other than http://www.uk.gnome.org/planet/ ? | |
| <Seeker`> lo LoudMouthMan | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hello | |
| <twager> Anyone using the Pan newsreader with Feisty ? | |
| <DaveMorris> Hey Loudmouth | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Hello DaveMorris | |
| <DaveMorris> are you one of the guys thats sorts out the slug mailing list? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I am for Slugs. then again i think popey and grifferz can also help . why ? | |
| <DaveMorris> I sent a mail to your gmail account then, basically I'm not getting any mail from the slug list, not even seeing an smtp connection appear in my logs | |
| <DaveMorris> but I'm receiving mail from other sources | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hmmm okay .. send me your details off list and ill see whats up . | |
| <DaveMorris> I've not got access to your address from work, so can you either send me yours again or I'll send the details tonight | |
| <twager> Anyone using Feisty ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> nik@butlershouse.co.uk | |
| <bongo> argh Belkin dont appear to have a linux driver for my wireless notebook card. this effectivey cripples the idea of me using linux. damn | |
| <GazzaK> bongo, I had to download network-manager and # out all the entries in /etc/network/interfaces reboot and it worked? | |
| <GazzaK> does ^ help at all bongo | |
| <bongo> sorry, i dont understand what i have to do there. im new to this. can you explain please? | |
| <snail> bongo: google for the name of your wireless chipset and the distro you're using | |
| <snail> bongo: most wireless cards are supported without help from the commercial parties who sell the things | |
| <bongo> ok thanks ill check it out. i figure if i can get an internet connection sorted first then it makes EVERYTHING easier! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Wierd isnt it how as long as the net connection is working we usually relax about the rest. | |
| <gord> when my net connection isn't working I feel like someone has taken my oxygen away, hell Ill even stay up all night hacking away at whatever isn't working to get it working just so I can log in, call someone a name and go to bed | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gord. sooo tht was you ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> haha | |
| <Seeker`> lo dsas | |
| <dsas> hi Seeker` | |
| <dsas> heh, I couldn't connect to wireless at uni yesterday, I got so much done. | |
| <dsas> gord: Internet == productivity killer | |
| <GazzaK> gord, lol | |
| <bongo> most of my work is net based. | |
| <bongo> let me rephrase that | |
| <bongo> most of the flash games i play at work are net based | |
| <GazzaK> lol | |
| * GazzaK giggles | |
| <GazzaK> bongo, and decent risk stylee flash games? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> viva pinata is my current productivity killer ! | |
| <bongo> possibly! | |
| <gord> bleh risk, risk is dumb. you can have like 10 guys vs 3 and still lose | |
| <gord> its like being in a hong kong marshal arts movie on the losing side or som't | |
| <LoudMouthMan> i prefer risk monopoly.. that way when you invade my country you pay rent for every shot you take. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and you dont go bankrupt , you just get annexed. | |
| <bongo> i like single player games. saves me getting angry at someone else | |
| <bongo> or textr based rpgs. "you have found a door". | |
| <bongo> use water skin with door | |
| <bongo> that does not work | |
| <bongo> use face with door | |
| <bongo> "that does not work" | |
| <bongo> quit | |
| <bongo> that kind of thing | |
| <bongo> keeps me amused for hours | |
| <GazzaK> did you not try "use door handle" | |
| <gord> you can't go though the door, you have to go though the window.. watch out for the grue though! | |
| <GazzaK> blimey pot noodles taste nice nowadays | |
| <Seeker`> GazzaK: Thats debateable | |
| <GazzaK> they taste nice, did nto say they are good for you | |
| <dsas> GazzaK: Only natural ingredients now I believe. | |
| <GazzaK> when you are starving and it is all you have to eat, they are nice | |
| <dsas> GazzaK: Or so my housemate was trying to tell me. | |
| <GazzaK> yep, no artificial stuff at all | |
| <gord> those micronoodles in a pot are fantastic, beats the crap out of pot noodles as they actually taste nice | |
| <bongo> i always preferred supanoodles. you got more to a pack. THEY werent too bad for you. | |
| <bongo> speaking of food. im off for lunch | |
| <bongo> brb | |
| <Seeker`> pot noodles make me ill | |
| <GazzaK> they made me hyper | |
| <X3N> sweet --exclude on tar is /very/ useful | |
| <GazzaK> wots tar? | |
| <X3N> like zip but better | |
| <gord> umm nope, its not like zip :P its just a way of having multiple files put into one file really, you then use bz/gz to compress it :P | |
| <X3N> so apart from having files in a package and usually being compressed it's not like zip ? | |
| <gord> tar/bz is like zip, tar/gz is like zip, tar is not like zip | |
| <GazzaK> I thought tar was sticky | |
| <popey> DaveMorris: what address are you attempting to mail SLUG from? | |
| <GazzaK> like thick oil!!! | |
| <gord> thats the point GazzaK, stick together files ;) | |
| <GazzaK> oh, wow, what a wonderful idea | |
| <GazzaK> what a coincidence :p | |
| <X3N> over pedantic | |
| <gord> its almost as if it were on purpose! | |
| <GazzaK> sorry X3N | |
| <X3N> it was aimed at gord | |
| * GazzaK takes aim at gord too | |
| * gord aims at both X3N | |
| <gord> looks like we have a mexican standoff, it all comes down to this... whoever needs to goto the bathroom first looses | |
| <GazzaK> sounds kinky | |
| * GazzaK hides | |
| <GazzaK> gord, I have little shame though | |
| <GazzaK> so I ain't gonna loose | |
| <Seeker`> blah | |
| <GazzaK> Seeker`, whats up? | |
| <Seeker`> bored | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wow . ive just had a very serious ranter post on topic on my blog but anonymously so the question is : do I approve to moderate it ? | |
| <Seeker`> my stomach hurts | |
| <Seeker`> LoudMouthMan: was there anything offensive? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Seeker` i dont know . kinda . nothing rude word like but certainly raving. i think i'll approve it and let you read <grin> | |
| <Seeker`> link? | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, if it is on topic and no swearing / illegal stuff, approve it | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yep just have its the anonymous posting on the end .! http://www.loudmouthman.com/2006/11/22/big-deal-of-a-big-challenge/ | |
| <gord> not heard of a paragraph LoudMouthMan? o_O | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gord. im a crap writer ! and in 20years of trying to learn what a adjective or a noun is I still dont get it. sorry . I do try though but I usually fail. | |
| <dsas> A paragraph is what you use a few lines before the text wall makes your head hurt ;) | |
| <gord> me either LoudMouthMan, but the one thing I know is that its nice to press enter once in a while just to break up the block ;) oh and that you only use an if theres an vowel right ever it "an orange" "a banana", I know that too | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well I find english bloody confusing when spoken let alone written but thanks for the comments. | |
| <dsas> and i after e except after c | |
| <LoudMouthMan> anyway ... thats quite a rant at the end .. even im impressed im usually far more polite <grin> | |
| <dsas> heh, I suppose a lot of it is true of many people. | |
| <gord> I think its funny how the person criticises the lug community for being hostile but then is hostile them self, although I have never met anyone like that in the ubuntu community | |
| <dsas> gord: drop dead | |
| <LoudMouthMan> gord. .ive met a few hostile characters in the community. hell I left irc 7 years ago because of them. and even today I still bump into them. the "microhandlers" whom control a group through presence, history or voice these are the ones jetlag jen wishes to say stfu to . | |
| <dsas> not the ones with the loud voices? | |
| * dsas ducks | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, god on allowing that post, but please press enter after the odd . | |
| <GazzaK> s/gog/good | |
| * GazzaK cries | |
| <LoudMouthMan> heheh dsas im loud but im usually the one making sure people can speak and be heard, along with dobbo <grin> | |
| <gord> oh they are definatly in the linux community, but to be honist they are in every community, (apart from the ubuntu one where they tend to leave once they realise no one likes them) | |
| <dsas> There are idiots everywhere. | |
| <dsas> I see them everytime I get on the road. | |
| <snail> LoudMouthMan: love the comment. | |
| <snail> LoudMouthMan: i don't think it reflects poorly on you at all | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I know im loud and that i tend to "dominate" but push comes to shove im not interested in being the top but I am interested in ensuring groups and ideas move forward. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> snail : cheers. | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: heh, I was joking based on your name. I've never met your flesh. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas . its an accurate assesment of my character , im loud and when i try to be quiet no one hears me . | |
| <popey> twager: yes, I am on feisty | |
| <GazzaK> dsas, he is loud, trust me | |
| <twager> Can you run Pan ok ? | |
| <GazzaK> and he has that tone of voice which hurts | |
| <dsas> hey twager. | |
| <twager> Hello ... | |
| <dsas> twager: Was it someone else asking about it yesterday? I dropped you an email a few minutes ago. | |
| * LoudMouthMan looks puzzled at gazzak. um ? | |
| <GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, :-) | |
| <dsas> Heh, | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Going to GUADEC? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas : I hope so .. ive not heard back from X3N brother .. but hes got until the 22nd before I chase up again. | |
| <twager> dsas : not looked at mail yet..Just upgraded Feisty | |
| <popey> \o/ GUADEC | |
| <LoudMouthMan> was going to put forward a paper for the Gnome Developers on how Users fuck with desktops. | |
| <popey> twager: pan runs, yes | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Cool, just looking into people I think I can badger into going for a ubuntu-uk summer meet up/booze up | |
| <popey> twager: anything specific? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> id like to use Guadec to promote all the completed Projects of the Ubuntu-UK Team as well. | |
| <popey> dsas: i suspect a meetup at guadec would be cool | |
| <twager> popey :Ok...I cannot get any group headers...I get the groups ok and can | |
| <dsas> popey: me too. I feel quite excited about GUADEC at the minute for some reason. | |
| <twager> send to groups but not recieve | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Speaking? Cool. | |
| <twager> ...................................................recieve | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas : if its accepted , yes . | |
| <popey> works here twager | |
| <LoudMouthMan> i certainly wont need the microphone ! | |
| <twager> Ok Ta...Will reinstall again and sii if it is ok....Runs ok in Edgy though.. | |
| <popey> you could move the pan config directory out the way as a test? | |
| <popey> reconfig from scratch? | |
| <popey> what news server you using? | |
| <popey> twager: http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/screenshots/Screenshot_Pan_comp_sys_sinclair <-- what it looks like here | |
| <twager> usenet.plus.net same as in tbird | |
| <Seeker`> where / when is GUADEC | |
| <popey> Seeker`: July 15-21 iirc | |
| <Seeker`> where/ | |
| <twager> popey :I have it like that but only with Edgy :-( | |
| <gord> I kinda wonder where gnome is going these days, now that its been decided to not do topaz it kinda just means that the gnome guys just chug along making things better | |
| <twager> It just will not d/load the headers | |
| <bongo> when i was trying out ubuntu from the cd this morning, i tried accessing the files on my C drive. It said it couldnt mount that drive. Im assuming thats common cos i was running ubuntu from the CD and it wasnt properly installed etc. | |
| <popey> no bongo | |
| <bongo> oh | |
| <popey> what is on your c drive? XP? | |
| <bongo> yeah. thats why i wasnt surprised. but i just thought id bring it up in case it should have worked | |
| <popey> how were you trying to mount the drive | |
| * popey comments on LoudMouthMans blog | |
| <popey> without reading it | |
| <popey> you type too much LoudMouthMan :) | |
| <bongo> i went to 'places' and it opened the window with available drives etc. The drives that came up were my cd drive, the desktop and the c drive. when selecting the c drive it popped up saying 'unable to mount c drive' or something very similar | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey thanks .. coming from the PFoJ that means a lot. | |
| <popey> "I have taken the opportunity to just people informed about" typo LoudMouthMan ? | |
| <popey> you should break that mass of text into paragraphs | |
| <popey> I just can't read it, sorry | |
| <LoudMouthMan> looking at the post date thats a import from wordpress.com I sense a paragraph was in there ... sigh . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> click on home and you'll see paragraphs . | |
| <twager> Also...I have a cd with a music.tgz file..Can this be opened in XP | |
| <popey> twager: get 7-zip | |
| <LoudMouthMan> twager . Xps should handle that as a compressed folder. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> XP even. | |
| <twager> Ok..I am giving it to a friend so will mention that he needs to get it.. | |
| <popey> 7-zip is a good free winzip replacement | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yep it looks like theres breaks in the orginal but WP reamed them away on the import. I'll see if its about a bug. | |
| <_ikonia> Hello ubuntu-uk | |
| <Seeker`> hi | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hello ikonia | |
| <LoudMouthMan> right ive checked other newer posts and theres breaks.. grrrr ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I think the anonymous comment was in response to some of this guys ( http://www.mainframe.gr/ ) posts. | |
| <dsas> Seeker`: Birmingham | |
| <_ikonia> I was in Birmingham last night | |
| <dsas> gord: It's been decided? I think it's just that it's not happened yet, it's something that would spend ages debating about, until someone writes some code that requires an api break. | |
| <gord> the only part of birmingham I ever see is that weird spaced out train station which is like some sort of weird spacy future place.. puts my trainstation of which I am so proud to shame :( | |
| <dsas> new street? | |
| <_ikonia> dsas new street doesn't look like a space station ?? | |
| <dsas> well, it's space age compared to my train station | |
| <gord> http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero <--- sounds pretty much decided to me dsas | |
| <dsas> gord: Ooh, that's changed since I last looked. | |
| <dsas> gord: Doesn't mean the ideas behind topaz can't happen though. It only really says "we won't rewrite loads of code in one release" and "we won't break api" | |
| <gord> to me it means that gnome is back to being relativly directionless dsas, with improvements and additions being made sure but without a clear goal. which is fine if thats what they want to do but it'd just be nice is all | |
| <dsas> Right, but that won't happen until *someone* sits down and writes code that can replace whatever part of the desktop stack. You can't expect the GNOME guys to sit in a room and create a Big Plan to revolutionise the desktop. It doesn't work like that. | |
| <gord> maybe it should ;) | |
| <dsas> gord: Design by committee "always" sucks, takes longer and is full of comprimises. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas indeed .its like the end of HitchHikers where they ask him what colour a wheel should be then ! | |
| <snail> dsas: any working design is full of comprimises. a clear and consistent design can only reduce comprimises to a certain level | |
| <dsas> snail: I meant compromises between people....it makes things bland. Software should be opinionated | |
| <gord> Im not saying have a design by a committee, Im saying have a goal, a long term idea | |
| <gord> know where your driving too instead of just driving around for the hell of it | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and loud <grin> . oops that just me . oooh gord nice point . driving around ==going i circles i guess. | |
| <dsas> gord: That's ok, but who decides on the goal? | |
| <dsas> The people who write the code. Getting programmers to agree on big revolutions and rewritting half their code is hard and may lose contributors. and it's risky, diverting resources away from what's running now. | |
| <gord> who said anything about big revolutions and rewritting half their code? | |
| <dsas> gord: That's the point of topaz is it not? | |
| <gord> that was one idea for topaz, it doesn't need to be that way though | |
| <dsas> gord: Ok. That's the only idea that has been binned though reading that page. | |
| <gord> Im just after a goal dsas, like I said, knowing where your going | |
| <dsas> gord: I'm sure the individual package maintainers do. I'm not sure of what a GNOME wide large scale goal would be that didn't involve big changes. | |
| <snail> dsas: the thing with big changes is that you need to make sure they're big enough and deliver clear benefits to the effected parties. if the benefits are clear, they will port their code | |
| <dsas> snail: Right. but this thing is a bottom up thing, GNOME is not top down, there is no point in setting a huge GNOME wide goal which alienates some contributors and doesn't get others on board. | |
| <dsas> s/but// | |
| <snail> dsas: maybe they need to do a gimp | |
| <LoudMouthMan> huh | |
| <dsas> heh | |
| * dsas notices LoudMouthMans ears perk up | |
| <snail> slow down progress in the main tree to almost nothing. then have small groups of people battle come up with infrastructure for a "next generation" gimp | |
| <gord> the next generation gimp is infact in full swing of development now :P took like 3 years for people to get started but hey, its coming and I personally can't wait -_- | |
| <dsas> snail: That's not been ruled out. Module maintainers are free to do that. | |
| * Seeker` is surprised that Gazzak didn't react | |
| <snail> gord: me too | |
| <snail> gord: i wasn't trying to be negative about gimp | |
| * GazzaK hides | |
| <gord> why? you should be, that 3 years of squabbling made it fall seriously behind its competitors and we in the floss world are left with old stagnant technology whist the proprietary world gets the whole shebang | |
| * Seeker` is coming down with a cold :( | |
| <gord> well go back up! | |
| <Seeker`> i'm trying | |
| <dsas> Heh, that Caroline from the list actually does teach puppetry for a living | |
| <gord> well what would you expect from somewhere called "london puppetry"? lion taming? | |
| <gord> "london school of puppetry" even | |
| <dsas> gord: No, I just didn't think it was actually a school of puppetry | |
| <dsas> If I set my email address to be hotgirl99@hotmail.com, it doesn't mean that I am. | |
| <gord> really?... man so this guy who claims to be the 745th funky monkey really isn't a monkey? | |
| <GazzaK> dsas, I think that email address might be taken | |
| <dsas> GazzaK: And I bet it's not by a hot girl. | |
| <dsas> gord: Yes, so why the sarcasm? | |
| <GazzaK> nope, she lives in southend, on the dole, husband is in the nick and 15 kids all have different fathers | |
| <dsas> doesn't mean she's not hot. | |
| <GazzaK> 15 kids? | |
| <gord> because I'm English dsas, that's what we do, that's why we say "nice day huh?" when its pouring down with rain, we can't stop | |
| * dsas prefers it when the Scots are here. | |
| <GazzaK> nice day innit | |
| <dsas> no, it isn't actually it's a little bit cloudy. Which makes you very sar-car-stic. | |
| * dsas takes GazzaKs head, puts it in his mouth all dead casual, clamps his teeth and BITES HIS HEAD OFF | |
| <dsas> Cause I hate people being sar-car-stic | |
| <GazzaK> owwww | |
| * dsas stops watching the young ones | |
| * gord can't get the young ones theme tune out of his head | |
| <jamesbrose> How can I add a normal user to proftpd in xampp? | |
| <Seeker`> hometime :D | |
| <dsas> heh, you sound relieved | |
| <frederific> afternoon everyone | |
| <mmedland> hello | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <jamesbrose> hello | |
| <jamesbrose> Anybody had much experience with xampp? | |
| <adb> hi there. What is the following doing in my hosts file | |
| <adb> 127.0.1.1 ubuntu.clocksoft.dom ubuntu | |
| <jamesbrose> adb, sending your computer to 127.0.1.1 when you enter the ubuntu... | |
| <dsas> 127.0.1.1 is used for ntp usually I think | |
| <X3N> arn't 127 addresses reserved | |
| <X3N> for loop back normally i thought | |
| <X3N> yep i'm right | |
| <X3N> the whole block is reserved by IANA etc for loopback | |
| <jamesbrose> hmm | |
| <Gizmo_the_Great1> In Windows, you can click the 'View Available Wireless Networks' by right clicking on the wireless connection. What's the equivalent command in Ubuntu for me to run when my wireless connection drops? | |
| <alecjw> Gizmo_the_Great1: this isnt really a place to ask for support, but you could try gtkwifi or airsnort | |
| <alecjw> #ubuntu is a better place | |
| <X3N> actually it is one of the purposes of this channel alecjw | |
| <X3N> but #ubuntu can be better due to the larger number of people there who can help | |
| <dsas> oh, ntp local devices use 127.127.x.x | |
| <dsas> Gizmo_the_Great1: Do you use network-manager? | |
| <X3N> there is also a program called wifi-radar | |
| <dsas> network-manager fills the need doesn't it? and it's in the default install for feisty iirc | |
| <X3N> possibly, but you have to disabled the ubuntu network manager first | |
| <dsas> I guess. I never used that thing myself, it seemed amazingly slow and never worked. I went from doing it by hand to n-m | |
| <mmedland> popey: ping | |
| <adb> dsas: thanks for reply (sorry I got sidetracked). I deleted the line form hosts and sudo stopped working | |
| <adb> Fortunately I had a root password | |
| <mmedland> i'll catch up with popey later, ciao everyone | |
| <tito_linux> Hi | |
| <tito_linux> Just got Kiba working in Edgy :) | |
| <Seeker`> lo | |
| <X3N> damn it, i've broken my site's mod_rewriting but i don't know how | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hi - noob here! I installed automatixbleeder and the NVIDA drivers - now when booting i get an X Server cannot start error... any ideas or pointers to get me back up n running | |
| <tito_linux> Install Nvidias own script | |
| <tito_linux> wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg1.run | |
| <tito_linux> chmod ./NVIDIA*run | |
| <tito_linux> sudo sh ./NVIDIA*run | |
| <tito_linux> When you get the X server message do ctrl + alt + f2 to drop to a command line | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> cheers | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> doing it now | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> error 404 | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hmmm - my spelling error | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> sorry | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> downloading | |
| <popey> moo | |
| <popey> I recommend you do NOT install nvidia drivers from nvidia.com | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hmmmmmmmmm | |
| <popey> just install the nvidia-glx package | |
| <popey> it's in the repositories | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i did that and thats how the error started | |
| <popey> but you used automatix? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yes | |
| <popey> I would be willing to bet automatix doesn't get it from the standard repo | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i did an apt-get nvidia-glx | |
| <popey> what video card? | |
| <X3N> did you change your drivers before you tried that ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Geforce 3 | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> 64mb | |
| <popey> what does /var/log/xorg.0.log say ? | |
| <popey> if you type.. | |
| <X3N> may need the nvidia legacy | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - bare in mind i'm a noob with about 48 hours usage on linux | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> using efty | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lol | |
| <popey> ok, to get the gui back do this:- | |
| <popey> sudo nvidia-glx-config disable | |
| <popey> then | |
| <popey> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart | |
| <popey> and you should get your graphical logon screen back | |
| <popey> (using the old open source non-3d nv driver) | |
| <popey> which is a good start point | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> this script cannot proceed.... | |
| <popey> ok | |
| <popey> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :-s | |
| <popey> and in that file look for the line that says | |
| <popey> Driver "nvidia" | |
| <popey> and change it to:- | |
| <popey> Driver "nv" | |
| <popey> then use CTRL+X to save the file | |
| <popey> then do | |
| <popey> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok did the sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and now got no entries - just [NEW FILE] at the bottom above the "toolbar" | |
| <popey> hmm | |
| <popey> did you use the correct case? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> methinks I screwed up somewhere lol | |
| <popey> X11 should be upper case | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ahhhhhh | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> easy mistake | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> <<<<< windows user - we dont "do" case :P | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - i'm in | |
| <popey> yeah, that's always a good one | |
| <popey> are you changing the driver line? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> done - its logging in now | |
| <popey> (just checking you aren't waiting for me) | |
| <popey> ahh, cool | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> got a window with "intrenal error" "failed to initialize HAL" | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> with a close button | |
| <popey> erk | |
| <popey> nice | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> but its looks as if it all there lol | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> drives are showing | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - clicked on close | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> at the desktop now | |
| <popey> ok | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> waiting for words of wisdom.............. | |
| <popey> Applications --> Accessories --> Terminal | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> k | |
| <popey> then:- | |
| <popey> lspci | grep -i NVidia | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> bash: NVidia: command not found........... | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> I borked it didnt I | |
| <popey> well, you didn't type what I did :) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ahhhhhhh | |
| <popey> the thing between lspci and grep is a pipe | |
| <popey> a bar | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> -i not | | |
| <popey> a vertical line | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> doh! | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> <<<< slapped forhead | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia corporation NV17 [GeGorce4 MX 440} (rev a3) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> better than I thought - gforce 4 | |
| <popey> ok, one mo | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> excuse the spelling error - GeForce | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> cheers - appreciated | |
| <popey> np | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> so far my experience with Ubuntu has been a sharp learning curve - 1st the extra drives weren't seen - but I sussed that - then samba wasn't doing the samba - more of a waltz :P but thats sorted as well now | |
| <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia is a good page to look at | |
| <popey> ok, the GeForce4 MX 440 is supported | |
| <popey> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-a.html it's in that list | |
| <popey> linked from the page above | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> okey dokes - reading glasses on and on my way | |
| <popey> it is pretty comprehensive | |
| <popey> at least try that. I will be here for a while if you get stuck | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> so i see | |
| <popey> just say my name | |
| <popey> start at the top :) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> popey - I get a NOT AUTHENTICATED when selecting nvidia-glx in synaptic ? | |
| <popey> hmm | |
| <popey> does the machine in uestion have net acces right now? | |
| <popey> can you open a browser? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yes | |
| <popey> ok, do this | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> spurred off my windows box | |
| <popey> open a browser and go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ | |
| <popey> then, press ALT+F2 | |
| <popey> ( you should get a "run" dialog box ) | |
| <popey> in that box type the following | |
| <popey> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list | |
| <popey> (all lower case) | |
| <popey> you should get a text editor open showing a file | |
| <popey> select it all and copy it, then paste it into the web browser then press enter | |
| <popey> (paste into the box "text" box | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1879 | |
| <popey> \o/ | |
| <popey> right | |
| <popey> the problem is you have used automatix | |
| <popey> some people like it, others don't | |
| <popey> I can see why it exists, but it does cause problems | |
| <popey> it is not an officially made/sanctioned/supported product | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> remove it from the repositories list ? | |
| <popey> and leaves people in the situation you are in | |
| <tito_linux> By any chance did automatix change your default kernel to SMP? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> how do i check if my kernel is SMP ? | |
| <popey> deb http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit binary/ | |
| <lister> hello | |
| <popey> that is the one that bothers me | |
| <popey> lo lister | |
| <lister> i need some help | |
| * popey wonders if this lister is the same lister from comp.sys.sinclair | |
| <lister> nope | |
| <dsas> Ehhh, all of the kernels are smp. It switches at runtime. | |
| <popey> ah ok | |
| <popey> dsas: nope, -generic ones are, -386 aren't | |
| <popey> well, not here they arent | |
| <popey> Dave-Ubuntu: don't worry about SMP | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok | |
| <popey> can you go to the software properties thing and remove the albertomilne repository | |
| <lister> anybody know how to fix a x server problem on the live cd | |
| <dsas> automatix lets you install -386? ick. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i removed the automatix and uncle albert or whatver from the repos list in synaptix and doing a reload | |
| <popey> dsas: er, the standard install installs -386 | |
| <popey> ok Dave-Ubuntu good move | |
| <tito_linux> Automatix changes your kernel to -smp which is unsupported as of edgy, -generic is a multiprocessor kernel. | |
| <popey> Dave-Ubuntu: in a terminal run the following command | |
| <popey> uname -a | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i'll redo the link intructions again and see what comes up | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> kk | |
| <popey> good move Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <popey> uname -a will tell you what kernel you are on | |
| * popey guesses 2.6.17-27 or something | |
| <dsas> popey: heh, really? seems weird considering the popularity of dual core systems etc. I haven't installed a Ubuntu system in 18 months....they changed the kernel names since then ;) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Linux dave-desktpo 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux | |
| <popey> yeah, I have an edgy and dapper install done recently, both -386 | |
| <tito_linux> Well the kernel called -smp in edgy doesn't actually work on multiprocessors | |
| <popey> ok, that's fine Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <tito_linux> It only runs one core | |
| <popey> hehe oops tito_linux | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok back to the destructions - | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <lister> i wish i had a hammer for this computer | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> apt-get hamme ? :P | |
| <tito_linux> I wish they would take the bloody thing out of the Ubuntu archives, it ruins loads of systems. | |
| <lister> they need a big sign on the ubuntu web site saying "ati cards might not work" | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> still get an "NOT AUTHENTICATED" | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> when sleecting nvidia-glx | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> hmmmmmmmmmm | |
| <tito_linux> lister: The newest ATI has an OSS driver | |
| <lister> the problem is the live cd dont lol | |
| <lister> so it bails out when i try to load the cd | |
| <tito_linux> Ah, use alternate | |
| <lister> is the ati driver on that anybetter | |
| <tito_linux> No, it installs without video | |
| <popey> Dave-Ubuntu: isn't that just a warning? | |
| <lister> hmmmm | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yes | |
| <popey> ok, so you can continue? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yeah | |
| <tito_linux> It does install an X server, but it doesn't install in an X server. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> continuing and its applying | |
| * popey hands tito_linux a decent video card :) | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - got to the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable - and it throws up a wobbly about "Error: your X configuration has been altered. script cannot proceed | |
| <lister> lol | |
| <popey> ok, Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <popey> in the terminal:- | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> uhuh | |
| <popey> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list | |
| <popey> then find the line | |
| <popey> Driver "nv" | |
| <popey> change to | |
| <popey> Driver "nvidia" | |
| <popey> also can you check in synaptic that you have linux-restricted-modules installed | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - sources.list doesnt have that lone | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> line* | |
| * tito_linux gives it back, he is perfectly happy with his Nvidia. | |
| <dsas> popey: you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> synaptix says the restricted modules are installed | |
| <popey> bugger | |
| <popey> yes, sorry Dave-Ubuntu | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> on my way :P | |
| <popey> thanks dsas | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok done | |
| <popey> ok, now.. | |
| <popey> close anything you have open in ubuntu | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> k | |
| <popey> then do CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE | |
| <popey> it should restart the windowing system | |
| <popey> or break | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok | |
| * tsmithe has quit ("Sleep") | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> falied to start X server on blue screen | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> "would you like to see server output..." | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> "Fatal server error: no screens found" | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :( | |
| <popey> ok, good | |
| <popey> logon to the console | |
| <popey> then.. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> looking through the error log - it says geforce MX440 gpu is supported by the legacy drivers | |
| <popey> hahaha | |
| <popey> that's just plain dumb | |
| <popey> ok | |
| <popey> easily fixed | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i'm installed the nvidia-glx not nvidia-glx-legacy | |
| <popey> sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx | |
| <popey> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy | |
| <popey> the nvidia website clearly states that it is NOT a legacy chipset | |
| <popey> !pity nvidia for their cluelessness | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - downloading and doing its thing | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> and back at prompt | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> sudo nvida-glx-config ? | |
| <popey> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart | |
| <popey> shouldn't need to | |
| <popey> is it an old pc? | |
| <popey> or just an old card? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> pIII 1ghz | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - we have desktop - but a "failed to initilize HAL" again | |
| <popey> do you have any usb devices connected? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> no - though there is 2 USB1.0 ports and an internal USB 2.0 car with 4 ports - all non used | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> oh hang on - mouse is in the the onboard USB 1.0 port :-s | |
| <popey> it's probably a hal/dbus problem. dsas ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> also the screen res is 1024*768 @ 60 hz - used to be 85 hz - but its not in the drop down box | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> the monitor is an old one - only support 1024x768 max @ 85 | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> an old HP72 | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> is there any way to "redo" the xorg.conf automagically ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> like when you install | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok........................ | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> worth a try ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> :-? | |
| <popey> yes | |
| <popey> and no | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lol | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> love the commitment there...... | |
| <popey> there is a natty tool called gtf | |
| <popey> it generates what are called "modelines" for your xorg.conf | |
| <popey> gtf 1024 768 85 | |
| <popey> # 1024x768 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 68.60 kHz; pclk: 94.39 MHz | |
| <popey> Modeline "1024x768_85.00" 94.39 1024 1088 1200 1376 768 769 772 807 -HSync +Vsync | |
| <popey> like that | |
| <popey> may or may not work, worth a shot though | |
| <dsas> hmm, maybe dbus isn't running. Might be worth trying to run sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start | |
| <popey> you paste those "modelines" into xorg.conf in the "Monitor" section | |
| <popey> to edit xorg.conf in the gui.. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - did the dbus start and all OK | |
| <popey> ALT+F2 then gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> kk | |
| <dsas> Dave-Ubuntu: Otherwise you could be falling victim to bug 44874 if you're using smbfs in /etc/fstab | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> samba ? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i just set up samba before installing the nvidia drivers ?????? | |
| <dsas> Dave-Ubuntu: Are you using smbfs in /etc/fstab to automount samba shares? If so that could be causing the HAL error. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yeah | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ahhhhhhhhh | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> any work around ? | |
| <dsas> try changing the "auto" bit to "noauto" | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> kk | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> just edting xorg.cong | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> conf* | |
| <dsas> might have to reboot, or just run /etc/init.d/gdm restart to check it out. | |
| <dsas> Dave-Ubuntu: ok, sure. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ok - my fstab just mounts them ext3 defaults 0 0 | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> i used the smb.conf to share them | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> sorry - my bad | |
| <dsas> Dave-Ubuntu: ah, not that then. | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lemme do a reboot | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> see if the error comes up again | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> rebooting | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> bring back the ZX Spectrum - all is forgiven....... | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> logging in | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> no HAL error! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> yay! | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> but nvidia settings in system tools no worky lol | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> oh well - its back up and running | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> cheers guys | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> unless you have any more suggestions ? | |
| <popey> heh | |
| <popey> not sure nvidia settings works on legacy cards | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> how do I check it is actually using the nvidia drivers ? | |
| <popey> glxinfo | grep -i direct\ rendering | |
| <popey> if it says "yes" you are | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> well i got a program crash lol | |
| <popey> hmm | |
| <popey> what crashed? | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" about 50 times and | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> glxinfo closed unexpectedly | |
| <popey> erk | |
| <popey> nasty | |
| <popey> lsmod | grep nvidia | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Thanks | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> nvidia 3931148 8 | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> agpgart 33456 2 nvidia,intel_agp | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> thassit | |
| <popey> ok the nvidia module is loaded | |
| <popey> now try | |
| <popey> grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> #nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig + | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> #nvidia-xconfig: version 1 (buildmeister@builder3) + a date | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> + | |
| <popey> should be a line | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> Driver "nvidia" | |
| <popey> Driver "nvidia" | |
| <popey> ahh | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> uhuh | |
| <popey> there it is | |
| <popey> you are using the nvidia driver then | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> sorted TY | |
| <popey> wonder if it is spazzing out because you have loaded, unloaded and reloaded a different nvidia kernel module | |
| <popey> difficult to tell | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> and as its midnight - i think its best left there! | |
| <popey> you could reboot | |
| <popey> yeah, see what it is like tomorrow | |
| <popey> good idea | |
| <popey> nice talking with you | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> ty again for all the help | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> cheers alan | |
| <popey> np | |
| <popey> ttfn | |
| <popey> aaargh | |
| <popey> he knows my name! | |
| * popey runs | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> lol | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> oh dont ya love the gallery :P | |
| <Dave-Ubuntu> laters |