| <La_PaRCa> Haha, I just like how Linus schools the other kernel developers. I am tired of having this extreme political correctness in free software. | |
| <La_PaRCa> Everybody is touchy-feely lets try not to offend anyone. | |
| <La_PaRCa> There are some things that need to be said. | |
| <hhthunderbird> hello.. can someone hlp me? | |
| <MagicFab> ask away | |
| <MagicFab> ooops | |
| <La_PaRCa> too late | |
| <SpacePuppy> hey does anyone know how to burn MP3's to AudioCD?? K3b doesn't want to do it.. | |
| <SpacePuppy> nm found howto | |
| * SpacePuppy wishes life was always that easy | |
| <ryanakca> Post by non-member to a members-only list ? | |
| * ryanakca is a member of ubuntu--ca | |
| <bradley> hi. | |
| <bradley> does anyone know (or would be willing to educated-guess) what the average memory usage should look like? | |
| <ryanakca> at the moment on my comp: | |
| <ryanakca> Mem: 384920k total, 375684k used, 9236k free, 8072k buffers | |
| <ryanakca> (that's the output from top, you can get it from free as well) | |
| <ryanakca> free has swap factored in | |
| <bradley> ryanakca, how many programs do you have running? | |
| <ryanakca> erm... loads? of course, most of them are sleeping... | |
| <ryanakca> and then a couple of them are zombies... | |
| <ryanakca> hm.. | |
| <bradley> i fairly consistently use the majority of my memory, right now i am using approx. 76700 of 775432 and i only have the terminal xchat and azureus open. | |
| <bradley> as well as beryl running. but it seems excessive. | |
| <ryanakca> ah, that's normal | |
| <ryanakca> most of it is cache... as soon as another app asks for it, it'll be cleared up | |
| <ryanakca> (Or so I'm told) | |
| <bradley> so cache should just go where it is needed. | |
| <bradley> if i run firefox and maybe something else my computer gets glitchy. (the mouse jumps around and the windows open and close weird) | |
| <ryanakca> that's probably beryl | |
| <bradley> yeah i don't think i have enough video memory. | |
| <bradley> is there any way to check video memory use?... i have found a ton of ways to check regular memory but never video. | |
| <ryanakca> no clue, never bothered | |
| <ryanakca> maybe ask in #ubuntu ? | |
| <La_PaRCa> MagicFab, ping | |
| <La_PaRCa> Any forum mods around here? | |
| <MagicFab> pong | |
| <La_PaRCa> MagicFab, eh, theres some spam on the -co forum. I would deal with it, but I am not a mod yet ;) | |
| <MagicFab> La_PaRCa, erased the post from our forum - tx | |
| <johanbr> bradley_: I have a vague memory that something called xtop exists, but I've never used it. | |
| <MagicFab> bradley_, cat /proc/meminfo or free -m | |
| <MagicFab> bradley_, don't they include video mem ? | |
| <bradley_> MagicFab, they don't seem to, or i don't know what video memory is called but it isn't something intuitive if it is listed. | |
| <bradley_> when will linux be "terminal-free"? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Hopefully never. | |
| * tonyyarusso runs a terminal-only machine, and uses it often on the other | |
| <bradley_> (i put it in quotes because i know that for many people the terminal is an everyday part of using linux) | |
| <tonyyarusso> If you mean not requiring it, it may already be, depending on what you want to do. | |
| <bradley_> yeah --you nailed it on the head right there... not required, if you don't want it to be. | |
| <tonyyarusso> anyway, that's all from me tonight though - maybe another night bradley_ :) | |
| <bradley_> i am okay at using it but i can imagine that it stops some from switching to linux | |
| <bradley_> tonyyarusso, g-nite | |
| <dennister> howdy to anyone who's awak :) | |
| <dennister> k, seems no one is, so I'll cya :) | |
| <wall86> anyone on at this time? | |
| <Madpilot> da | |
| <wall86> turns out my computer does not like the i386 edgy | |
| <wall86> it never mounrs my boot partition | |
| <wall86> found my problem, guess i have to have a /boot, not just a / | |
| <Madpilot> wall86, how big is your harddrive? Large HDDs and/or large / partitions seem to need a /boot too | |
| <wall86> its a 200 GB 7200 RPM maxtor | |
| <wall86> so now, i am installing a /boot, does it matter what partition it is on exactly? cause this brings me to 4 total | |
| <wall86> and the /boot i hope is still on the first partition | |
| <Madpilot> I think it has to be first - so /boot, /, /home, /swap (if you need /swap) | |
| <wall86> ya, i think i did it that way..... | |
| <Madpilot> my 120Gb drive didn't need /boot to run, but I put Ubuntu on a new 250Gb drive for a friend and needed /boot there | |
| <wall86> ok | |
| <wall86> im hoping this does the trick..... ubuntu is starting to get frustrating | |
| <wall86> been working on it for a week now, | |
| <wall86> i did have amd64 version up and running with a oem install, but no wireless | |
| <Madpilot> wireless is known to be hard, 64bit likewise, so that the combo was awkward is not surprising... | |
| <wall86> ya, the 6.1 x86 tho, the live cd picked up my wireless with no changes | |
| <Madpilot> 6.10, you mean? (it's 'Six point Ten', not 'Six point One' - the numbers are Year.MonthOfRelease) | |
| <wall86> (i know sorry, tired) | |
| <wall86> i had to deal with Americans cable problems all day...... | |
| <Madpilot> np, just one of the nits I pick :) | |
| <wall86> do you think anybody would take offense, if i started my own micro linux group for my city? | |
| <Madpilot> wall86, quite unlikely. Is there no existing LUG in your town, though? | |
| <wall86> nope, nothing i have heard of, this is a very not well educated city to some point | |
| <wall86> not very computer literate i should say, if a computer breaks, ya take it to future shop | |
| <wall86> and i come from Guelph, and an amazing academic school, where i learned all of my hardware, and windows programing | |
| <wall86> now, i mmoving into the great world of linux, and i wanna share it | |
| <Madpilot> wall86, which town? | |
| <wall86> Chatham ontario | |
| <Madpilot> within striking distance of Toronto? Big Ubuntu group there! | |
| <mneptok> wall86: is this 200GB drive hosting any other OSes? | |
| <Madpilot> (I'm a BCer, my Ontario geography is vague-to-nonexistant | |
| <wall86> not no more | |
| <wall86> it is like 45 mins north of windosr | |
| <wall86> on the 401 | |
| <mneptok> wall86: sometimes GRUB and other bootloaders can get picky about /boot stuff not living in the first 120GB or so of a drive. | |
| <wall86> ok, well i set up the partition in the first 20GB | |
| <Madpilot> GRUB error 17 or something like that, isn't it? | |
| <Madpilot> That's the one I ran into when playing w/ the 250Gb install | |
| <wall86> nope | |
| <wall86> it is a "waiting to mount" bar never moves, then boots to BusyBox | |
| <Madpilot> AFAIK 'grub error 17' translates to 'your HDD is too big, and it scares GRUB'... | |
| <wall86> im now re-installing tho | |
| <wall86> ya, i do not have a partition over 100 GB now | |
| <wall86> i have a 90 GB / | |
| <wall86> a 20 GB /boot | |
| <wall86> a like 60 GB (estimate) /home | |
| <wall86> and a 4 GB linux swap | |
| <wall86> im gonna play around with it for like a month, then re-wipe, and re-install to use mythtv | |
| <Madpilot> /boot doesn't need to be 20Gb; it can be tiny | |
| <mneptok> 20GB for /boot is massive | |
| <mneptok> you can easily get away with 250MB | |
| <wall86> i just wanna be sure tho | |
| <mneptok> easily. | |
| <wall86> i will remember that for my main install | |
| <wall86> no luck i think...... | |
| <wall86> so 250 MB would be more then enough for /boot? | |
| <wall86> how else should i set it up? | |
| <wall86> like sizes etc... for partitions, and types, and filesystems (hoping this will be my last time installing) | |
| <Madpilot> ext3 for everything, /swap@ 2xRAM unless RAM>1Gb, in which case skip /swap entirely. / at least 10Gb, /home as large as possible | |
| <mneptok> wall86: i usually just have a root and home. if you need boot, alot 250MB to that. / can be 10Gb very comfortably. the rest can be /home | |
| <mneptok> a 1GB swap should be fine | |
| <wall86> system specs: 1 GB RAM (ddr2 pc-5300) | |
| <wall86> the 200 GB HDD | |
| <wall86> AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800 | |
| <wall86> and i should be fine wqith that? | |
| <mneptok> oh yeah | |
| <wall86> kk | |
| <wall86> i will do the 250 MB /boot | |
| <wall86> then a 10 GB / | |
| <wall86> a 1 GB swap | |
| <wall86> and the rest in /home, what order should they be again? | |
| <Madpilot> /boot, /, /home, /swap | |
| <wall86> kk | |
| <wall86> it is registering them all in /dev/hda ? | |
| <mneptok> /salt, /knob, /dirt, and /cheese | |
| <mneptok> wall86: /dev/hda is the physical disk itself | |
| <wall86> kk, thx | |
| <wall86> here i go again..... | |
| <wall86> home is gonna take forever tho | |
| <wall86> does it auto put boot stuff in /boot? | |
| <Madpilot> if it exists, yes | |
| <wall86> kk | |
| <wall86> what does it store there? if u do not mind me asking? | |
| <Madpilot> kernel bits | |
| <wall86> kk | |
| <wall86> think a 20 GB /boot might have been throwing it off? | |
| <Madpilot> could well have been | |
| <wall86> ok, | |
| <wall86> do u know of any new socket am2 mobo's with like 4 or 5 pci slots? | |
| <wall86> i have been thinking of setting up a MythTv backend..... | |
| <wall86> ok, still having the same problem | |
| <wall86> no hdd activity while trying to boot | |
| <wall86> could GRUB just ber very messed up from so many re-installs? | |
| <wall86> ok, still can not get it too boot | |
| <mneptok> wall86: how is the drive connected? IDE? SCSI? SATA? | |
| <wall86> ide | |
| <wall86> it does not read from : /dev/hda2 | |
| <wall86> and drops me into a shell | |
| <wall86> im in live session right now | |
| <mneptok> wait | |
| <mneptok> how many drives in the machine? | |
| <wall86> 1 | |
| <mneptok> (hard drives) | |
| <wall86> someone told me that that was partition 2, but i think it was trying to read from a secondary hdd | |
| <mneptok> /boot is the first partition? | |
| <wall86> ya | |
| <wall86> then / | |
| <wall86> then /home, then /swap | |
| <mneptok> then it should be trying to load /boot from /hda1 | |
| <mneptok> what about root? | |
| <wall86> it is in second partition | |
| <mneptok> right | |
| <Madpilot> why is it looking for hda2 when there is only one drive present? | |
| <mneptok> the initial boot process should only lok for hda1 | |
| <mneptok> have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab | |
| <wall86> i know, and i have no problem, could i be ahving a GRUB issue? | |
| <wall86> how? (newb) | |
| <Madpilot> gah, sorry - confusing my hdxx notation here | |
| <wall86> would it be sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst? | |
| <mneptok> wall86: or use nano instead of gedit | |
| <mneptok> /boot/grub/device.map and /boot/grub/menu.lst are what you want to look at first | |
| <wall86> nothing in it..... | |
| <wall86> in menu.lst | |
| <wall86> says "new file" | |
| <wall86> anyway to re-install GRUB? | |
| <mneptok> it's /boot/grub/menu.lst | |
| <mneptok> LST. not 1ST | |
| <wall86> i know, but when i run "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst" it just "opens new file" | |
| <wall86> in live cd | |
| <wall86> no grub in boot | |
| <wall86> should i set the /boot with a bootable flag? or the / with a bootable? | |
| <Madpilot> not needed, afaik | |
| <wall86> afaik? | |
| <Madpilot> 'as far as I know' | |
| <wall86> ok, | |
| <wall86> hda2 is the / partition | |
| <kupesoft> I'm in Toronto and i want to get involved ~ | |
| <el56> kupesoft: with Ubuntu? TLUG? National open source efforts? | |
| <kupesoft> Yeah, that sort of stuff | |
| <el56> I'm asking which ones, because there are a number of groups that could use your help: | |
| <el56> In addition to Ubuntu Canada, there's CLUE (www.cluecan.ca) which does policy advocacy at the national level (and tries to work with provinciual counterparts) | |
| <el56> and of course your local LUG, which may not be ubuntu-specific but does generic Linux advocacy | |
| <kupesoft> I'm thinking more along the lines of programming python code, | |
| <el56> I continue to wonder why Ubuntu groups are not just SIGs of existing LUGs | |
| <el56> you want to get involved by participating in a puython-based ubuntu project? | |
| <ejer> they want to disinguish themselves | |
| <ejer> tinguish | |
| <el56> so does Novell... what is the point of this distinction? If you can't convince people to use Linux, then the issue of Ubuntu is moot. | |
| <el56> separating the Ubuntu community from the rest of the FOSS community in its location is harmful to both newcomers and advocates. | |
| <kupesoft> el56: yes. | |
| <kupesoft> el56: where do I start? | |
| <kupesoft> el56: and, what's a SIG? | |
| <el56> Special Interest Group | |
| <kupesoft> el56: and, where do I start? | |
| <ejer> el56: I agree :) | |
| <ejer> however, they are gonna do it their way, and we can go along or move on | |
| <ejer> but LUGs should be the basis for their groups | |
| <el56> btw, there is a python user group in toronto | |
| <el56> http://web.engcorp.com/pygta | |
| <el56> There's a list of all 120+ user groups in Canada at http://www.cluecan.ca/group-list | |
| <el56> ejer: I will do my small bit to try to convince folks that wheel reinvention is not helpful. If working within an existing LUG, then things like KDE/GNOME questions can be steered to experts on thos subjects who can help people using those desktops in any distro. | |
| <el56> ditto samba, gimp, apache, etc. | |
| <el56> staying distinct -- elevating a single brand above the category -- is something that works against the community. | |
| <el56> anyway, i'll stop before I get worked up over it. I honestly believe that this fragmentation is extremely harmful to the community as a whole, ESPECIALLY considering the cohesiveness of the orgs working actively against open source. | |
| * el56 steps down from the soapbox | |
| <el56> does anyone know how to set dpkg to display (or not) the bug reports for packages, after they're downloaded but before installed? I have one system that displays a bug report and asks "install anyway?" for packages, another system that ignores the bug report and installs regardless. | |
| <el56> I have no idea of what's set differently between the two systems. | |
| <Tourudactyl> I think I get the "install anyway?" on deftault Ubuntu, if that helps at all. |