<somerville32> Farm_Fresh: Packages installed by default is the only difference
<ellioTb> woohoo! dell dj works, and has a BUNCH more features than the xp sync software
<Farm_Fresh> I was told it's much quicker than ubuntu..
<Farm_Fresh> esp on older machines..
<Farm_Fresh> What makes that possible?
<gozaru> Farm_Fresh: that is right, since 'apps *are* different'
<Farm_Fresh> lacking function?
<somerville32> Nope
<gozaru> You don't have gnomelibs for example.
<somerville32> Just as powerful in most cases
<somerville32> Might not have ALL the bells and whistles but still powerful none the less
<gozaru> Just lackin a bit of noob GUI. ;)
<Farm_Fresh> well I'm a noob, and like GUI....
<Farm_Fresh> screwed?
<ellioTb> and if you really want, you can run gnome apps too
<somerville32> Farm_Fresh: There is a nice set of GUI conf tools
<somerville32> But it is something we're working on
<gozaru> Farm_Fresh: I didn't mean to be too serious. :)
<Farm_Fresh> Oh..
<Farm_Fresh> well I guess it's done downloading.... setting everything up now..
<gozaru> Farm_Fresh: You have a bunch of config and panel applets and many nice tools; if anything in particular is missing we are here for you. :)
<Farm_Fresh> if you can turn 60 minutes on...
<Farm_Fresh> Hitlers secrete archives are being shown today for the first time.
<gozaru> What exactly is it about Hitler you are telling us?
<Farm_Fresh> 60 Minutes are showing the world his secret archives...
<Farm_Fresh> Never seen before...
<Farm_Fresh> over 60 years
<gozaru> [...]
<Farm_Fresh> They just interviewed a man who just learned he was supposed to be executed... last minute was moved somewhere else
<somerville32> !offtopic
<somerville32> lol
<somerville32> Ok
<somerville32> I guess I'll have to do this the manual way
<somerville32> Farm_Fresh: I think your discussion would be better suited for #xubuntu-offtopic :)
<Farm_Fresh> sure...
<Farm_Fresh> light traffic here.. didn't think it would even matter.
<Farm_Fresh> back on topic... I guess the install is done.. brb in x if all goes well.
<Commander-Crowe> hey
<ellioTb> !mp3
<Farm_Fresh> well... done..
<Farm_Fresh> Now, should I look at beryl or compiz?
<somerville32> lol
<somerville32> If you'd like
<Farm_Fresh> I wanna make it pretty
<maxamillion> beryl
<maxamillion> beryl has more plugins but i have recently heard that compiz is becoming much more stable and faster
<maxamillion> so ... you trade a little bit of pretty for speed and dependability
<Farm_Fresh> what looks nicer?
<gozaru> and beryl is gnome-free ;)
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<Farm_Fresh> well can one of you recommend a walk-through?
<maxamillion> Farm_Fresh: http://www.tiffany.com/shopping/item.aspx?sku=21119202&cid=96688&mcat=148204&menu=1&page=12
<maxamillion> oops :P
<gozaru> There is a wiki BerylOnEdgy
<maxamillion> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/nVIDIA
<maxamillion> :)
* maxamillion is shopping online for the mrs.
<silvertip257> hello
<silvertip257> trying to figure out some stuff w/ a graphics card ... anybody know stuff about that & xubuntu?
<maxamillion> !ask
<Ubotwo> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
<silvertip257> kk
<silvertip257> well then
<silvertip257> i've got a 3Dfx Voodoo2 that I wanna get workin
<TheSheep> wow, I have one too
<silvertip257> there is a lib for it for Ubuntu, got that & it said ab out needing /dev/3Dfx
<silvertip257> oh! can you help TheSheep?
<silvertip257> the info in synaptic said needing dev/3dfx
<TheSheep> silvertip257: how do you want to use it exactly?
<silvertip257> well i dont really know what it does
<silvertip257> it was given to me
<TheSheep> silvertip257: using it for rendering whole X is going to be slow
<silvertip257> ok
<silvertip257> umm well i wanna do a dual monitor setup stil
<silvertip257> *still
<silvertip257> it bein one monitor
<silvertip257> and the onboard being the other monitor
<TheSheep> isn't it a pass-through card?
<silvertip257> umm
<TheSheep> i.e. it has both video input and output
<TheSheep> mine's like that
<silvertip257> all i know is it has video out & a another similar port that's male
<TheSheep> it takes the picture from the video card, and adds the accelerated bits to it
<silvertip257> oh
<silvertip257> ummm
<TheSheep> it's called 'overlay'
<silvertip257> ok
<silvertip257> what might I do to get it workin w/ linux?
<TheSheep> so you should have a short video cable
<TheSheep> and connect the output of your video card to that male input on your voodoo
<silvertip257> yea it's not long say max 5 ft goin to the monitor
<silvertip257> err no
<silvertip257> crap
<silvertip257> i dont wanna do that
<TheSheep> voodoo2 doesn;t have a video card in it by itself
<silvertip257> i wanted it 2 be the 2nd card (for a dual setup)
<silvertip257> ewwww
<silvertip257> damn
<TheSheep> it's just an acceleratot
<TheSheep> accelerator
<silvertip257> i dont like that
<silvertip257> lol
<TheSheep> later they began to make it integrated with the video card
<silvertip257> ahhh
<silvertip257> well then
<silvertip257> i'll just have to get another card (i've got a few old ones)
<silvertip257> to put in there
<TheSheep> you can still use it to spped up things like quake 1 slightly
<silvertip257> still lookin to use the onboard as one monitor & a card as another monitor
<silvertip257> oh
<silvertip257> can i do that
<silvertip257> plz help :)
<TheSheep> I think that all you need is the OpenGL libs installed, and quake will make use of them automatically
<silvertip257> nah i'm not dointhat
<silvertip257> i wanna do a dual head rig up
<TheSheep> that I don't know about much
<silvertip257> ok
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<silvertip257> well i've been surfing the net & I'm not understanding all I read about that
<silvertip257> trying to do a dual head setup ... w/ two cards
<silvertip257> how can I restart an installed hard disk distro and then get it to config another card ?
<silvertip257> w/o re-installing
<TheSheep> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<silvertip257> ok ty TheSheep
<silvertip257> TheSheep it sorta freezes on safemode when i reboot
<silvertip257> and try to get to a commandprompt to do taht
<silvertip257> (on the other machine)
* maxamillion wispers from the back of the chan,"there is no such thing as safe mode in linux"
<somerville32> It is called "Recovery mode" ;]
<maxamillion> well, there is "safe graphics mode" but that is just a chosen name for "load vesa no matter what"
<silvertip257> ok RECOVERY THEN
<silvertip257> w/e
<silvertip257> anyhow on to what I was meaning
<maxamillion> lol
<maxamillion> silvertip257: sorry, just couldn't resist :)
<silvertip257> oh fine
<silvertip257> well
<silvertip257> i'm trying to get it workin (the dual head w/ 2 !@#$%^& cards
<somerville32> silvertip257: I understand your frustration but lets not get upset : )
<silvertip257> ha---ha---ha ....
<maxamillion> silvertip257: i really don't think dual head on 2 different cards works
<somerville32> It does work
<somerville32> What you need to do is setup the xorg.conf file to have two devices
<silvertip257> ok
<silvertip257> hmm
<silvertip257> i've been trying that stuff
<silvertip257> well not right though
<silvertip257> i've needed to go to RECOVERY MODE and paste xorg back in
<silvertip257> hey guys ... I cannot have that card in when I boot up or the bios selects it to display & then it doesnt work once I try to go into either mode
<somerville32> silvertip257: The bios will only use one
<somerville32> However, X can use two
<silvertip257> i know
<silvertip257> but in order to change it to get X to config it
<silvertip257> i need to boot up w/ it in
<silvertip257> right
<somerville32> You don't need to go into recovery mode
<silvertip257> ok
<somerville32> Boot
<silvertip257> but it wont boot up w/o freezing
<somerville32> Oh!
<silvertip257> ok lemme try it again
<silvertip257> and see
<somerville32> ctrl + alt + f1 to switch to tty1
<silvertip257> ok
<silvertip257> when do i do that
<silvertip257> ?
<somerville32> If X fails
<silvertip257> ok
<somerville32> Might drop you to it anyhow
<silvertip257> hello vid
<silvertip257> *vidd
<silvertip257> somerville32: nothin is happening .. blk screens one w/ cursor the other w/o
<somerville32> So something is working, haha
<somerville32> Press alt+crtl+f1
<silvertip257> i tried that
<silvertip257> nothin
<silvertip257> just sat there
<vidd_laptop> hello all
<silvertip257> the cursor is frozen
<somerville32> crtl + alt + backspace
<silvertip257> ok somer
<maxamillion> ok ... i'm out
<silvertip257> somerville32: that does nothin
<somerville32> then you need to use the recovery mode
<silvertip257> that doesnt go very far either
<somerville32> Live cd?
<silvertip257> no
<vidd_laptop> what is the issue?
<silvertip257> i added another gfx card besides the onboard one
<silvertip257> and now i cant have x config it
<silvertip257> it seems to stall or something
<silvertip257> it might be working here ... oh man looks like recov mode will work this round
<silvertip257> what do I do about my other card on a PCI slot ?
<silvertip257> should I use the kernel's frame buffer driver ???
<silvertip257> what do I use to edit xorg.conf in recovery mode???
<LjL> silvertip257: you can use nano
<silvertip257> k
<silvertip257> ty LjL
<unikon> anyone how does one actiavate dial up connectivity on dapper application-system-networking this person DOES now all the info to fill in like the dial up info
<somerville32> Hi unikon
<unikon> hiya somerville32
<somerville32> Did you try clicking the "Activate" button? :]
* vidd_laptop is trying to install a game from source....
<vidd_laptop> can someone help?
<somerville32> Yup.
<somerville32> Just ask the question :]
<vidd_laptop> i went to the directory and and ran ./configure....
<vidd_laptop> error: cannot find sources (lib/gamelib/parser.h) in . or ..
<vidd_laptop> what does this mean?
<somerville32> What are you trying to compile?
<vidd_laptop> warzone2100
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: there is a ready to use deb
<vidd_laptop> please point the way
<TheSheep> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+warzone+2100+repository
<vidd_laptop> its not in synaptic
<TheSheep> first hit
<vidd_laptop> TheSheep, did you acually SEE the deb?
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: I have the game installed since a week and am playing it right now
<vidd_laptop> i cant find the deb....the pages on that search are not in english
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: just add 'deb http://lepouf.free.fr/debian unstable main' to your sources list
<JKnife> TheSheep: what package did i have to remove to get the XFCE teams default setup?
<silvertip257> 0000:01:0e.0 from lspci would be PCI:1:15:0, isn't that right?
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: the repositorry url sound the same in english :)
<JKnife> silvertip257: if on dapper do 'lspci -X'
<silvertip257> ok
<JKnife> =\ -X is removed in edgy
<silvertip257> damn
<silvertip257> why?
<JKnife> no clue
<silvertip257> hmm
<silvertip257> recommend that they add it back in in feisty :P
<vidd_laptop> thanks TheSheep ... got it downloading now
<vidd_laptop> TheSheep, is warzone 2100 able to play over the internet?
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: I think so
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: btw, the campaign is borked -- it breaks after 4 or 5 missions :(
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: until then very nice though
<vidd_laptop> is there good AI?
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: it's hard to judge for me, the pathfinding is nice
<vidd_laptop> do you play ppl or the computer?
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: the computer, and it kicks my ass :)
<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: but I'm not good at it
<vidd_laptop> then yes...it has good AI
<JKnife> RTS? Like C&C?
<vidd_laptop> JKnife, ues
<vidd_laptop> yes
<TheSheep> JKnife: full 3D, and you can design your own vehicles
<JKnife> TheSheep: you said there was a package i can remove to set up the XFCE default configs.. what package is it?
* JKnife is going insane
<TheSheep> JKnife: xubuntu-default-settings
<JKnife> that didn't work
* vidd_laptop welcomes JKnife to his residence =]
<JKnife> i even nuked .config
<TheSheep> weird
<TheSheep> JKnife: when I didn't install it in dapper, xfce looked like the old one
<TheSheep> JKnife: Imean, the default xfce one
<JKnife> =\ there may be residing configs..
* JKnife searches
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<JKnife> i can not find it =\
<DarthLappy> :( I can't get xubuntu installed. There's always something breaking due to I/O errors on hda :/
<somerville32> Ugh oh. Your hard drive might be damaged.
<DarthLappy> Oh yay.
<DarthLappy> Even more annoying is that I can't get into Windows to check because I broke grub from a previous install.
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<ellioTb> hrmm, my xubuntu notebook isnt charging my mp3 player right
<ellioTb> chargers, stops, charges, stops, over and over
<DarthLappy> Well... I could run my computer from... Floppies!
<somerville32> hehe
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, punch your lappy in the face
<somerville32> "Booting linux... Please insert floppy #1 and hit return... Please insert floppy #2301 and hit return - Welcome to... please insert floppy #2304"
<ellioTb> bigfuzzyjesus, i will, i hope my laptop gets aids
<DarthLappy> somerville32: Well I need *something* to do with it. It's a laptop so replacing the hard drive won't be as simple as stealing one from an old box.
<somerville32> DarthLappy: I had similar problems one with - there was nothing I could do
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, i wouldnt joke about the a word
<bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, you could sell it to me for cheap,
<bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, what condition is it in, i need a lappy: :)
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, i got kick banned from ubuntu, ubuntu-offtopic, xubuntu, and ubuntu-ops for making an aids comment
<bigfuzzyjesus> anyone here seen the royal tennenbaums
<DarthLappy> bigfuzzyjesus: It works. The HDD is breaking. It doesn't have a case.
<bigfuzzyjesus> darthlappy, what happened to the case?
<bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, and what kind of proccessor/ ram
<DarthLappy> It took it off? Ooh. Broken screen to.o
<DarthLappy> Celeron 1.6 GHz 128 MB RAM.
<bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, can you hook it up to a moniter
<bigfuzzyjesus> i dont want monday to come
<DarthLappy> IT's Monday here :P And yeah, it's hooked up to one now.
<ellioTb> bigfuzzyjesus, i know you did :P
<ellioTb> its wierd the power is not steady on the usb ports
<ellioTb> anyone know how to change that?
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, >:P X1000000to the 10th
<ellioTb> i have an mp3 player that uses it to charge, and it keeps going on and off every 2 secs
<ellioTb> hehehe
<bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, is it what you are using, and where are you at?'
<ellioTb> why doesn't usb power just stay a constant on
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, it doesnt like you
<ellioTb> lsusb shows it, even though its off, weird
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, just take a 2.5 v wall wart and solder a female usb to it
<PuMpErNiCkEl> AC != DC
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, usb doesnt need power to work (usb1.1 has no power)
<ellioTb> i have a usb wall charger for my phone, not workin on here though
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Aside from the other flaws in that plan...
<bigfuzzyjesus> PuMpErNiCkEl, yeah
<DarthLappy> I couldn't be using it now, it's off. And I'm in Australia. I wanna keep it to mess around with though!
<bigfuzzyjesus> PuMpErNiCkEl, mintyboost is always an option
<ellioTb> it sends power, then stops, and repeats, really strange
<PuMpErNiCkEl> True.
<bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, :'(, where in australia
<ellioTb> and when gnomad docks the device, stops charging all together
<bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, what kind of mp3 player
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, what kind of mp3 player
<ellioTb> dell pocket dj
<ellioTb> made by creative
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, nooooooo not a dell pocket dj
<ellioTb> problem is i am away from home so i can't hook it up to my xp box to charge
<ellioTb> bigfuzzyjesus, why not? this thing pwnz
<ellioTb> know why?
<ellioTb> cause it was free
<ellioTb> might not be trendy
<bigfuzzyjesus> ok i would take it for free
<ellioTb> yup
<bigfuzzyjesus> who gave it to you
<ellioTb> my sister
<ellioTb> she sold out and got an ipod
<bigfuzzyjesus> free is always better than nothing
<bigfuzzyjesus> 20gb?
<ellioTb> 5
<DarthLappy> bigfuzzyjesus: ACT :)
<bigfuzzyjesus> 5gb
<ellioTb> no 5 megs
<bigfuzzyjesus> meh
<ellioTb> this is so annoying, cause its not charging, and i have to be on a plane tomorrow
<ellioTb> guess i can just listen to it on the lappy
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, do you have a windowze pc, or a usb wall wart
<ellioTb> i have one at home
<ellioTb> and i have no idea what a wall wart is
<bigfuzzyjesus> like an adapter
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, where are you
<ellioTb> ahh, she gave me one with it, just don't have it with me
<ellioTb> i am in wisconsin right now
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, that sucks, where are you from
<ellioTb> texas
<ellioTb> way too freakin cold here
<bigfuzzyjesus> wah
<bigfuzzyjesus> what are you doing in wisconsin
<ellioTb> sister is graduating from UW
<ellioTb> or just did todayt
<bigfuzzyjesus> oh
<bigfuzzyjesus> i live in iowa, its not that bad
<ellioTb> its not that bad right now thank god
<bigfuzzyjesus> yeah wait till it gets -30
<bigfuzzyjesus> ellioTb, how old are
<bigfuzzyjesus> you
<ellioTb> no way, you'd have to be crazy to live anywhere here
<ellioTb> 23
<ellioTb> u?
<bigfuzzyjesus> 16
<bigfuzzyjesus> its not that bad
<bigfuzzyjesus> you get used to it
<ellioTb> yeah, you wouldn't like it in august when its 100+
<ellioTb> !seen phlasphy
<Ubotwo> phlasphy is on IRC right now!
<ellioTb> zomg!
<Kacik> somebody there?!
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Probably.
<PuMpErNiCkEl> ...
<somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, ellioTb: For suture reference, please take offtopic discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic
<Kacik> do we have brasilians here
<Kacik> ?
<ellioTb> anyone know what the starcraft clone is? the one that replaced freecraft?
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<Commander-Crowe> hi all
<PuMpErNiCkEl> ellioTb: Stratagus?
<ellioTb> PuMpErNiCkEl, is that it?
<bigfuzzyjesus> hello
<ellioTb> sup fuzzbucket
<bigfuzzyjesus> nothing
<bigfuzzyjesus> just going to bed
<ellioTb> noss
<ellioTb> i am fittin to watch the new family guy and do the same
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<Commander-Crowe> hey um
<Commander-Crowe> by way of firestarter would i be able to get internet to my win2k box? http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f380/tommy18crowe/network.png
<PuMpErNiCkEl> !bot
<Ubotwo`> This is a temporary Ubotu replacement. Please don't abuse it.
<PuMpErNiCkEl> sigh
<ellioTb> whats a good mp3 player? just realized amarok is kde
<PuMpErNiCkEl> What kind of interface and features do you want?
<ellioTb> just the basic stuff, gui, playlist, the usual
<ellioTb> xmms?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Sure.
<PuMpErNiCkEl> I use totem, which offers those features.
<ellioTb> yeah, thats what it was opening them with
<ellioTb> maybe i'll just keep that
<ellioTb> never checked out the features
<ellioTb> wish this usb would stop pulsing on and off and would just charge my mp3 player, lol
<DarthLappy> Hmm, is this a sign? Xubuntu seems to be installing fine now that I've gone over the Windows partition...
<ellioTb> charge, off, charge, off
<ellioTb> DarthLappy, there ya go! it was trying to sabotage it
<DarthLappy> :P
<DarthLappy> I can live without Windows. It's on most of the other computers and if I really need it I can restore *shrug*
<DarthLappy> Most computers are dual-boots actually...
<ellioTb> yup, this notebook is osx and xubuntu on a p4
<ellioTb> have an xp, vista and ubuntu box thats my main one
<ellioTb> then a xubuntu server and another xp only box
<ellioTb> PuMpErNiCkEl, what do you use for torrents
<DarthLappy> Gentoo/WinXP Desktop. Xubuntu (soon) laptop. FBSD server. WinXP only lappy. WinXP/Kubuntu gaming PC (though I don't game in Kubuntu)
<Commander-Crowe> anyone have an extra HDD I cna have?
<ellioTb> holy SH!T, grades are finally in
<DarthLappy> Haha.
<ellioTb> Commander-Crowe, i got one from an xbox laying around
<Commander-Crowe> what interferance is it?
<ellioTb> huh
<ellioTb> ide?
<Commander-Crowe> ok
<Commander-Crowe> send it
<ellioTb> man, two A's and two B's! best grades since 5th grade
<ellioTb> only took me 5 years into college to finally get my act together
<Commander-Crowe> haha
<Commander-Crowe> 6 A's is the best I've done
<ellioTb> heheh, well i used to be a drunk
<DarthLappy> Commander-Crowe: Over a year?
<ellioTb> wow, could xmms be more of a winamp clone?
<ellioTb> oh man, was so happy i downloaded the Eragon audiobook, def in some random language
<ellioTb> aight, i am out like a boner in sweat pants, laters
<DarthLappy> What the...
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Don't bring bash.org in here. Just... don't.
<DarthLappy> :( The laptop can't do more than 1024x768... And my screen goes to 1280x1024
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<vito_corleone> hey any one know how i can add the terminal on the top panel
<vito_corleone> ie a short cut to open terminal....
<vito_corleone> any one?
<phlasphy> hey all
<phlasphy> ellioTB
<phlasphy> this placwe has died :(
<PuMpErNiCkEl> It is extremely early morning in most of the Americas.
<phlasphy> ohh ok sorry
<phlasphy> i will whutup
<phlasphy> i will s\hutup
<phlasphy> PuMpErNiCkEl, have you ever tried archlinux
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Yup.
<phlasphy> what you think
<PuMpErNiCkEl> A lot of things. What part do you want to know about?
<phlasphy> well did you like it?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Yeah.
<phlasphy> do you still uise it?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Nope.
<phlasphy> why not
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Because I reformatted to try another OS.
<phlasphy> ohh ok
<phlasphy> that os was?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> I've been through about 2 dozen different distros and maybe half a completely different OS's on this PC, so I don't remember.
<PuMpErNiCkEl> s/half/half a dozen/
<phlasphy> lol
<phlasphy> is it your favorite distro
<PuMpErNiCkEl> I don't have one.
<phlasphy> ok
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<PuMpErNiCkEl> err...
<phlasphy> what?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> I extract a rar, then it asks for the password, after which it extracts it again.
<phlasphy> lol
<JKnife> sounds fun :)
<phlasphy> rar FTL
<PuMpErNiCkEl> I don't even want to know how the coder thought that was a good idea.
<JKnife> o.O wait..
<JKnife> rar encrypts the package when there is a password so how can it extract it?
<JKnife> and can't you pass the password ad the commandline?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> That's why it's a 'wtf'.
<JKnife> hehe
<JKnife> http://www.xanga.com/Gr33nN1nj4/556137458/ahhh-good-old-christmas-time.html my blog on how i feel about XMas.. and this spoiled(her words) girl keeps spamming the comments... =\ (warning not essy safe)
<JKnife> ... i am the only ninja here!
<magic_ninja> well i think i'm finally ready to try that netinstall of xubuntu
<JKnife> GET OUT!
<magic_ninja> neva
<JKnife> XD
<magic_ninja> ninjalo forever
<magic_ninja> poof im gone -->its magic
<phlasphy> JKnife, i like xmas
<JKnife> :) it was really "black arts" not magic =\
<JKnife> phlasphy: i hate what it has become
<magic_ninja> lol
<magic_ninja> its an ICP song
<phlasphy> what is that
<magic_ninja> insane clown posse
<JKnife> ICP = band
<JKnife> dang it
<phlasphy> i know
<phlasphy> piggy pie FTW
<phlasphy> i mean what has it become
<JKnife> read the comments =\
<phlasphy> ok
<magic_ninja> magic magic ninjaz what, magic magic ninjaz what
<JKnife> shhh no singing
<JKnife> you might wake an op up.. which = bad
<JKnife> wait... PuMpErNiCkE is up =\
<magic_ninja> he is cool like that...i was talkin to him last night
<JKnife> PuMpErNiCkE == cool? o.O
* JKnife notice he hasnt pinged him yet
<JKnife> unfolding cube FTW!
<JKnife> Hostname: B14cKh013 - OS: Linux 2.6.20-2-386/i586 - CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (334.102 MHz) - Processes: 87 - Uptime: 6h 20m - Load Average: 1.85 - Memory Usage: 147.11MB/250.33MB (58.77%) - Disk Usage: 4.29GB/147.73GB (2.91%)
<magic_ninja> anyway i just got my new beast outta the shed and put a new 256 ddr graphics card in and i wanna start it back up and streamline an xubuntu install via the net but i only got an unbuntu LIVE edgy cd
<JKnife> o.O it sounds like it can handle gnome AND xfce...
<JKnife> what you CAN do is install ubuntu then install xubuntu-desktop and then remove ubuntu-desktop and run sudo apt-get autoremove
<JKnife> that SHOULD strip a LOT of gnome stuff away
<magic_ninja> JKnife: check this link http://www.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=313406
<magic_ninja> towards the end of the post there is a thing about a command line install
<magic_ninja> that is what i wanna do over the net but i don't have a mini iso
<JKnife> host not found...
<magic_ninja> http://www.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=313406
<JKnife> i know...
<magic_ninja> i may have had a typo
<JKnife> it is working.. it does that sometimes.. it just hates me
<magic_ninja> JKnife: may i PM you
<magic_ninja> JKnife: I make it easy that way
<JKnife> no
<JKnife> ahh just get the alternate cd... that is what you need
<magic_ninja> k i was just gonna paste a few lines from the post in
<JKnife> i got it up
<magic_ninja> you dont' get it...i don't have a burner available
<JKnife> =\ well umm that is a problem unless you know how to bootstrap debian
<JKnife> and i have only bootstraped LFS =\
<magic_ninja> i don't know what bootstrap means
<magic_ninja> i'm rusty man its been over a year since i had a system up and going
<magic_ninja> now i got 2 of them i'm tryin to maintain
<JKnife> take the base files install then chroot in and install rest of the stuff..
<JKnife> ^ basic bootstrap
<magic_ninja> plus i'm running a sort of virtual experiment by using linux on this laptop and letting them just use it for whatever they want to see how linux holds up against the nooblet
<JKnife> hi gnomefreak
<gnomefreak> hi JKnife
<magic_ninja> JKnife: so i would just put the ubuntu repos on and then do like apt-get install x-window-system-core xubuntu-desktop
<JKnife> magic_ninja: there is no way that i know of todo a server install from a LiveCD.. you could do it the way i said
<magic_ninja> i think your first idea would do the job
<JKnife> i have done it many times..
<JKnife> it is really easy
<magic_ninja> just install from live cd then just do install xubuntu-desktop
<magic_ninja> remove gnome-desktop and apt-get auto-remove
<magic_ninja> i don't want an out of the box 1.5 gig installation you know?
<JKnife> yeah
<magic_ninja> i figure as much effort as i'm putting into this computer, the OS needs to be neat and tidy
<JKnife> o.O i am using 4.2BG
<JKnife> GB*
<magic_ninja> this laptop is like half full, its only a 12 gig hdd P3 500 mhz 196 ram
<magic_ninja> but i have a regular ubuntu edgy install on it and its running fine with minimal tweaking
<JKnife> yep
<JKnife> Ubuntu is like that =\
<magic_ninja> i used to use mandrake (back when it was mandrake) and i liked it but man...its so bloated and clogged
* JKnife thinks compiz got faster with the updated nvidia drivers...
<magic_ninja> ubuntu is nice
<magic_ninja> whats compiz?
<JKnife> o.O
<JKnife> umm.. the biggest thing in Linux since GNU
<JKnife> XD
<magic_ninja> i know man, i just got this 256 mb ddr nvidia 5500 graphics card for 53.40 on clearance at wal-mart, heh
<magic_ninja> i don't really know what compiz is
<magic_ninja> or that...beryL?
<JKnife> !compiz
<Ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
<JKnife> beryl = fork of compiz
<magic_ninja> here is how rusty i am...i was shocked a week ago to find that adobe merged with macromedia
<JKnife> i think the 96.31 drivers made it faster.. i really do..
<JKnife> then you havn't heard about Novell and Microsoft have ya?
<magic_ninja> do you think i should compile my kernel when i do the install?
<JKnife> no
<magic_ninja> the generic one works just the same?
<JKnife> yeah
<magic_ninja> what about nvidia drivers?
<JKnife> 8xxx in the repos for edgy
<JKnife> 9xxx in the next version
<JKnife> well 96.31 to be exact... :)
<JKnife> in the next version the nvidia/ati closed source drivers SHOULD be included and enabled by default..
<magic_ninja> is the next version fairly stable?
<JKnife> NO
<magic_ninja> ok
<magic_ninja> edgy it is then
<magic_ninja> mmm, need to find a smoke
<JKnife> -_- i need a new box of 27's =\
<magic_ninja> reds
<JKnife> ehh i out grew reds XD
<magic_ninja> heres the deal...all i got left is to plug in a few wires and my beast is back online
<magic_ninja> i've spent the last week prepping this stuff
<magic_ninja> i got a small house...so i had to do that stuff and rearrange, got the net hooked up and had to get MY monitor, mouse, keyboard and power cords from the person who took them without my knowledge
<magic_ninja> now i'm a few wires away so i'm basking
<magic_ninja> then my next task is to do a wired/wireless network so i can get this laptop wireless
<JKnife> brb.. gonna watch the mouse run
<magic_ninja> ...
<JKnife> XD
<JKnife> ok...
* JKnife says again COMPIZ FTW!
<JKnife> =\ half-life is slow on my pc in wine
<LambdaChiAlpha> what dose the % symbol mean at the begining of a ling?
<phlasphy_> hey all i have a question
<gnomefreak> LambdaChiAlpha: on a package version?
<gnomefreak> phlasphy_: just ask it
<phlasphy_> ok
<phlasphy_> well how where do i add icons from
<phlasphy_> and where do i put them?
<gnomefreak> phlasphy_: do you have example of what you mean?
<phlasphy_> well i want to get the firefox icon
<phlasphy_> where do i get it from and where do i save it
<phlasphy_> to put on the panel
<gnomefreak> phlasphy_: should be on panel by default
<phlasphy_> well it is not :(
<phlasphy_> i am not on xubuntu though :)
<gnomefreak> phlasphy_: what are you on?
<phlasphy_> archlinux
<gnomefreak> phlasphy_: ask in #archlinux
<phlasphy_> i just want to know where to get icons and where to save them
<phlasphy_> gnomefreak, i am not really ewlcome there :(
<gnomefreak> phlasphy_: in ubuntu right click panel add app to panel
<gnomefreak> phlasphy_: it may not work the same way in arch as it does in ubuntu
<phlasphy_> gnomefreak, i know that there is no icon though
<gnomefreak> thats how you do it in ubuntu if its not the same in arch you would need to ask in their support channel
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<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> gnomefreak, do you know of a good site to get icons from?
<gnomefreak> phlasphy: you can get ff icons from gnome-look.org
<phlasphy> thank you
<gnomefreak> maybe xfce-look or kde-look
<gnomefreak> its .org on all of them
<phlasphy> ok thanks you
<phlasphy> also what do you know about fstab
<phlasphy> i want to add a fat32 partition to it
<phlasphy> dont worry i got it
<phlasphy> how do i configure sound?
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<magic_ninja> yay
<magic_ninja> about ready to get xubuntu on my new desktop
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<Farm_Fresh> New to xubuntu... Just installed last night.. I need to install all of the accessories and want to star away from automatrix.
<magic_ninja> i installed ubuntu edgy via LIVE cd and then did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and apt-get remove gnome-desktop with apt-get autoremove, should that clear a lot of mess up?
<Farm_Fresh> why remove gnome?
<magic_ninja> Farm_Fresh: to unclutter the system
<Farm_Fresh> oh..
<magic_ninja> i'm mainly tryin to strip down this install to just what i need, so i just have a couple questions here and there on what i need
<magic_ninja> like do i need OSS and alsa installed?
<Farm_Fresh> I am no help to you... I'm pretty new to linux
<magic_ninja> i'm just tryin to learn a bit more
<Farm_Fresh> I just finished installing xubuntu last night.. I still have no idea where and how to grab all the add on I need.. ie java flash, etc
<magic_ninja> do you think you can follow directions from a tutorial?
<magic_ninja> i can link you to the page i'm using right now to play with my system
<magic_ninja> just go to google.com and search for "how to update sources.list xubuntu"
<Farm_Fresh> yeah.. I can follow them.. I don't know where to look for xubuntu..
<magic_ninja> make sure the source versions are correct as to correspond to yours "probably edgy"
<Farm_Fresh> yeah... I just updated to edgy.. and just picked up xubuntu for the first time.. Someone over at #ubuntu said it would be faster.
<magic_ninja> i got to reboot brb
<Farm_Fresh> how's that go?
<magic_ninja> quick reboot, under a minute
<Farm_Fresh> I love that about linux
<Farm_Fresh> my roommates xp laptop takes around 10 min.... he's smoked the chip..
<Farm_Fresh> temps sensors or somehting must have been way off.. that thing get too hot to touch.
<Farm_Fresh> He tried telling me it was normal.. I was like... Ummm... if you can't touch it because its too hot, uhh thats not normal..
<Farm_Fresh> !beryl
<Ubotwo> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
<magic_ninja> what is a good, system resources efficent media player (mainly audio, i use command-line mplayer for movies)
<Farm_Fresh> I used to use.. armork or however you spell it..
<Farm_Fresh> I loved it.
<Farm_Fresh> Dunno how efficient it is.
<shenmue> does xfce has "display manager"?
<Farm_Fresh> no idea... I'm new here...
<Farm_Fresh> I wish more people were around to help like over at #ubuntu...
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: but there are lots people here
<Farm_Fresh> coming out of the woodwork.. lol
<Farm_Fresh> another reboot?
<magic_ninja> na
<magic_ninja> xchat crashed
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: sorry, i'm not native speaker, could u tell me "out of the woodwork" means?
<Farm_Fresh> It's a saying
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: it means no body is willing to help?
<Farm_Fresh> No... like these.. http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/sayings.htm
<Farm_Fresh> for example... I got tanked last night..
<Farm_Fresh> GETTING TANKED
<Farm_Fresh> When you drank too much out of the above "tankard" you were said to be "tanked" ... if you got so "tanked" that you passed out, there was a chance that somebody might think you had actually died. Since back then they didn't have experience with taking pulses, they often buried people alive who were actually in a drunken stupor or otherwise comatose.
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: thanks
<shenmue> can't understand well though :)
<Farm_Fresh> There are HUNDREDS or even thousands of them.. That might be the hardest part of learning the english language.
<Farm_Fresh> Might be somewhat like trying to learn jokes.
<shenmue> cool
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: what's the difference between saying and slang?
<Farm_Fresh> slang is something that groups come up with..
<Farm_Fresh> For example w00t w00t I see around the linux crowd.. that is slang.
<Farm_Fresh> Saying, is pretty much wasting words to make a point about something.. For example.. "Its hot as hell" most languages would just be... It's hot.
<shenmue> words that only people in a certain group can understand is called slang?
<Farm_Fresh> Yes.
<Farm_Fresh> Todays slang makes no sense to our grandparents.
<Farm_Fresh> They have NO idea.
<shenmue> hehe
<shenmue> we are a little bit off topic now
<Farm_Fresh> Military has slang, gangs have slang, rich people have their slang, computer geeks have slangs..
<Farm_Fresh> oops
<Farm_Fresh> not much traffic, I don't think we will mind.. hahah
<Farm_Fresh> Ever click has their own slang..
<shenmue> Ever click?
<shenmue> what's that?
<Farm_Fresh> Paris Hilton has started a bit of slang... When she likes something... She says, "thats hot"
<Farm_Fresh> every click
<Farm_Fresh> a click is like a group.
<shenmue> cool
<shenmue> ever is typo? should be every?
<Farm_Fresh> scientifically a click is like a nitch.
<Farm_Fresh> yes typo
<shenmue> in some movies, man calls pretty girls "thats hot"
<Farm_Fresh> well same saying... but ANOTHER meaning..
<Farm_Fresh> in another example...
<shenmue> then, what Paris Hilton means?
<Farm_Fresh> Means she likes it..
<shenmue> hmm
<Farm_Fresh> Doesn't matter what.. Computer, sunglasses, car, person, tv show, you, me, anything... She started it.... Wow... Thats hot.
<shenmue> could you tell me what's the difference between nerd and geek?
<Farm_Fresh> Means she likes it... And girls EVERYWHERE started to follow her.
<Farm_Fresh> exactly the same..
<shenmue> "thats hot" is very popular now?
<ellioTb> geek = into tech stuff, but still have a successful social life
<shenmue> thanks
<Farm_Fresh> yup
<ellioTb> nerd is the opposite
<Farm_Fresh> ellioTb were discussing slang, sayings and the like.
<shenmue> geek is rich?
<ellioTb> lol
<Farm_Fresh> some maybe...
<ellioTb> originally they are the same
<Farm_Fresh> but geek dosen't meen your rich.
<ellioTb> but i think geek has gotten a more "hip" type of nerd
<Farm_Fresh> ellioTb Your probably a geek.. You are on linux.
<ellioTb> nerd is more like black clothing, thick glasses, pocket protector, funny voice, etc etc
<ellioTb> Farm_Fresh, indeed, but i have a hot gf ;)
<ellioTb> dress like a prep, no dragon shirts
<ellioTb> def a geek
<shenmue> ellioTb: just like the guy in The Matrix?
<ellioTb> shenmue, perfect!
<ellioTb> neo was a geek
<ellioTb> cause he was super into computers, but decent looking, had friends, hot gf, etc etc
<shenmue> it's good to be a geek, hehe
<ellioTb> yes
<Farm_Fresh> shenmue: nerds.. http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0374900/Ss/0374900/0002.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0374900
<ellioTb> here is a geek
<ellioTb> http://picasaweb.google.com/elliotboney/Halloween06/photo#4990851939220979730
<Farm_Fresh> And because he took the time to take this picture GEEK!!!!!!!!! http://cdn-94.cdn.buzznet.com/assets/categories11/geeks/WWEEEEEEE--large-msg-114905887239-2.jpg
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: yeah, i have seen that movie before
<Farm_Fresh> wills yous gives me mouth sex... HAHAHAHA
<ellioTb> lol, that was me on halloween
<shenmue> but Napoleon Dynamite is not a technical person
<ellioTb> yeah, napoleon was a nerd or dork
<shenmue> maybe a dork, LOL
<Farm_Fresh> yupper DORK!
<shenmue> yup = yep?
<Farm_Fresh> yes.
<shenmue> thanks
<ellioTb> Farm_Fresh, you seen the borat movie
<Farm_Fresh> Not yet.. Maybe I'll go tonight.
<Farm_Fresh> My gf just left me and I should stop drinking beer
<ellioTb> u should, my costume was awesome, especially cause i grew the mustache out, and can talk exactly like him
<ellioTb> she did? that sux
<Farm_Fresh> nice
<Farm_Fresh> yeah life's a beach.
<ellioTb> why you gotta stop, is that why she left u
<ellioTb> a sunny beach
<shenmue> beach = bitch?
<Farm_Fresh> shenmue: another saying for you...
<Farm_Fresh> LOL
<Farm_Fresh> yeah
<shenmue> lol
<ellioTb> thats why she left? yeah, prolly should cut it out
<ellioTb> i quit drinking cause i was gonna lose mine
<Farm_Fresh> ellioTb yes and no...
<Farm_Fresh> Well lost.. gone goodbye..
<Farm_Fresh> so I woke up with a Heineken this morning.. f it.. why not.
<ellioTb> yeah, well i am an alcoholic, can't touch that stuff anymore
<ellioTb> whiskey in the morning was the cure all
<Farm_Fresh> hehe... I hate whiskey
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: you are in Holland?
<Farm_Fresh> nope.. Florida
<Farm_Fresh> everyone knows florida
<shenmue> yep
<shenmue> American dont like Bud?
<Farm_Fresh> Lots... I HATE bud.
<ellioTb> shenmue, where u at?
<ellioTb> budweiser was the ONLY thing that ever gave me a hangover
<shenmue> ellioTb: China
<ellioTb> oh wow
<Farm_Fresh> budweiser is CHEEP beer.
<ellioTb> bass ale for the win
<Farm_Fresh> crummy crummy beer..
<shenmue> hehe
<Farm_Fresh> My favorite. http://www.labatt.com/
<shenmue> It's easy to be drank drinking bud?
<ellioTb> bud ice, yes
<ellioTb> bud ice is 5.5%
<Farm_Fresh> bud is yuck.
<shenmue> yuck?
<ellioTb> man, in wisconsin right now, freeeezing
<ellioTb> waiting to go get on a plane and get back to TX
<Farm_Fresh> crap, shit, disgusting, nasty
<Farm_Fresh> I'm from Michigan.. I love it up there.
<shenmue> ellioTb: you are on holiday?
<magic_ninja> how do you make glxgears display a framerate
<ellioTb> shenmue, my sister graduated from college yesterday, so i flew up here to see that
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: thanks
<shenmue> ellioTb: cool
<ellioTb> magic_ninja, i don't know, it also will give you a score
<magic_ninja> i let it run for like 3 minutes and didn't get any output
<Farm_Fresh> I thought that command just let you know everything was working a okay
<magic_ninja> it gives you some fps output
<Farm_Fresh> if you see it.. done
* ellioTb goes to look up impute in the dictionary
<shenmue> you guys are xfce developers?
<magic_ninja> not i just end user
<Farm_Fresh> no
<Farm_Fresh> user
<ellioTb> To relate to a particular cause or source; attribute the fault or responsibility to:
<shenmue> :)
<Farm_Fresh> beryl or compiz?
<ellioTb> shenmue, i am in there cause i am gonna be doing some art for xubuntu
<ellioTb> in the devel room i mean
<Farm_Fresh> hehe
<Farm_Fresh> so beryl or compiz?
<shenmue> ellioTb: what dictionary do u use?
<ellioTb> www.dictionary.com
<Farm_Fresh> www.dictionary.com
<ellioTb> i win
<magic_ninja> damnit i just got this new graphics card and i wanna test it out
<Farm_Fresh> haha
<ellioTb> magic_ninja, install enemy territory
<magic_ninja> i got an nvidia fx 5500 256 mb ddr for 50 bucks
<magic_ninja> ellioTb: actually i was planning on it :-)
<magic_ninja> i miss my year and a half away from ET
<ellioTb> magic_ninja, its the best game ever
<Farm_Fresh> well beryl or compiz.. we all win
<ellioTb> i miss my counter strike source
<ellioTb> but my good vid card burned out
<magic_ninja> ellioTb: iono cs and d2 are good
<magic_ninja> ellioTb: check these super wal-mart's clearance isle
<ellioTb> d2?
<magic_ninja> ellioTb: it sounds strange, but sometimes they got really good graphics cards for cheap
<Farm_Fresh> I need some RAM.
<Farm_Fresh> stuck at like 256
<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 2.19GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 60.4% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 57.20% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]
<ellioTb> this is my notebook, it runs ET pretty nicely
<Farm_Fresh> how do I get that output?
<magic_ninja> how you do that
<shenmue> its better than m-w.com?
<ellioTb> lemme find it, its like the xchat-sys plugin, lemme look
<magic_ninja> ellioTb: exactly
<ellioTb> sudo apt-get install xchat-xsys
<magic_ninja> man im letting glxgears run forever and not getting any output
<ellioTb> magic_ninja, you can run it till you die, i tried
<Farm_Fresh> I told you... I thought that was just to make sure everything was working properly
<shenmue> magic_ninja: glxgears -printfps?
<ellioTb> Farm_Fresh, but on the forums, ppl post their "scores" and fps from glxgears
<magic_ninja> mabye
<Farm_Fresh> ellioTb oh no idea
<magic_ninja> shenmue: ty i think thats what i need
<magic_ninja> is 1500 fps to 2700 fps alright?
<ellioTb> woohoo! 320FPS
<ellioTb> lol
<Farm_Fresh> I wanna know what I've got here... It's a pent.4 i know... nice graphics card.. light on RAM i think.. how do I find all that out?
<magic_ninja> ellioTb: xchat-sysinfo mabye?
<ellioTb> magic_ninja, that could be it, my search said xchat-xsys
<magic_ninja> brb restarting xchat
<magic_ninja> well it installed now to use it...
<Farm_Fresh> how/where do I add an account on xubuntu?
<ellioTb> /sysinfo
<magic_ninja> after you apt-get it you load it right?
<ellioTb> magic_ninja, it loads automatically do a /sysinfo
<ellioTb> uptime[40m 57s]
<magic_ninja> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(TM) XP1700+ @ 1.11GHz] mem[Physical : 503MB, 74.0% free] disk[Total : 28.85GB, 87.00% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500]] sound[]
<ellioTb> mem[Physical : 439MB, 58.6% free | Swap : 1717MB, 100.0% free]
<ellioTb> 5500 is what i have in my main comp right now
<ellioTb> downgraded from my 6800GT
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: why not just use useradd
<ellioTb> its a decent card, but hard to get used to
<magic_ninja> all i got left is to hook my speakers up
<Farm_Fresh> found it....
<Farm_Fresh> I'm new to x.... Didn't know where to look
<ellioTb> mem[Physical : 439MB, 58.8% free | Swap : 1717MB, 99.9% free]
<shenmue> Farm_Fresh: sometime, cli tools are better, i think
<ellioTb> there are a bunch, /meminfo /hdinfo /sysuptime
<magic_ninja> well i suppose i still gotta configure my hdd's
<Farm_Fresh> !cli
<Ubotwo> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
<ellioTb> !gui
<Ubotwo> The graphical user interface (GUI) in Ubuntu is composed of many elements, including the !X server, a window manager, and a desktop environment such as !GNOME or !KDE (which themselves use the !GTK and !Qt toolkits respectively)
<shenmue> i sometime shutdown my box from "Applications -> Quit -> Shut down", but the system logout, and then shows the display manager
<shenmue> it does not shutdown my pc
<ellioTb> weird
<shenmue> yup
<ellioTb> what if you do 'sudo shutdown NOW' in terminal
<shenmue> ellioTb: never did that before
<ellioTb> u should try that next time
<shenmue> maybe i can give it a try tonight
<shenmue> thanks~
<magic_ninja> why won't these backgrounds showup, do i gotta restart xfce
<shenmue> one more question: is dictionary.com better than m-w.com?
<magic_ninja> probably
<shenmue> :)
<shenmue> gotta go
<shenmue> thanks you guys
<Farm_Fresh> she left and sha is back..
<Shaezsche> this distro boots way slower than zenalk
<ellioTb> cause its way better
<Shaezsche> how so
<Shaezsche> zenwalk seems way better.
<ellioTb> then you need #zenwalk
<Farm_Fresh> I'm diggin ubuntu
<magic_ninja> installing et right now
<magic_ninja> lets try this bad boy out
<scott_> Is it possible to use all the educational softward with xubuntu?
<scott_> Does anybody know if I can use the educational software of edubuntu with xubuntu?
<scott_> anybody there?
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<grazie> Hi all.
<grazie> Had the tiny font size problem and fixed it using this solution, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1803616.
<grazie> However, tried a new distro that uses KDE over the weekend and shared my /home partition.
<grazie> Now the tiny font has reappeared, so I need some help getting a good sized font back.
<somerville32> Have you tried following those directions again?
<grazie> yep, but nothing has changed in the config files
<FifaFrazer> I have a configure script here, that says that gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. But synaptic package manager tells me that it is already installed.. How can i fix this?
<FifaFrazer> and please tell me on noobish ;)
<crimsun_> you're missing libgtk2.0-dev
<crimsun_> it's a fairly common mistake
<crimsun_> what app are you trying to compile anyway?
<FifaFrazer> gtk+extra-2.1.1
<FifaFrazer> I need it for the newest gpsim, which I need for ktechlab
<FifaFrazer> ty, it works now
<grazie> somerville32: Just tried 'xrdb -q |grep Xft' and nothing is returned. I've lost the Xft font library?
<somerville32> grazie: A‌re you trying this in Xubuntu?
<grazie> yep
<grazie> Tried sabayon distro sharing /home. So it must be one of the config files in /home causing the problem?
<grazie> Don't think I can fix this problem on my own. Worth posting it on the ubuntu forum?
<grazie> Has anyone got some suggestions? I've also got a PPC installation that works fine for camparison.
<magic_ninja> whats a good mp3 library program
<grazie_> Just logged as a different user and the font size is fine.
<grothesk> Hi!
<grazie_> Must be quite easy to fix for someone that knows about X config?
<grothesk> Which programm is used in xubuntu for presentations?
<magic_ninja> open office presentation
<grothesk> Include in a default installtion?
<quad3d> openoffice isn't installed by default. the reason being, xubuntu is meant to be light gui
<lypsis> openoffice is really heavy... (for low-end computers)
<grothesk> So no presentations in xubuntu?
<quad3d> you can use synaptic package manager, search for 'openoffice' and install it that way.... if you prefer
<quad3d> i have openoffice installed on p3 500mhz w/ 384mb ram and runs ok
<lypsis> im on 256mb ram, ok too, not the super-fast thing but its ok
<grothesk> 'victim' is a PII-300 384MB
<quad3d> well, i'd say it won't hurt to try :)
<quad3d> if not acceptable you can always uninstall it
<grothesk> Problem: 56k DUN.
<quad3d> :/
<quad3d> anyone know if the xubuntu cd have office on it?
<grothesk> low performance through and through.
<lypsis> hehe @ grothesk
<magic_ninja> whats a good mixer app
<quad3d> if yes, you can disable online sources in /etc/apt/source.list and have cd-rom enable to install it that way
<magic_ninja> i got 4.1 surround but for some reason i'm only getting the front channels
<quad3d> sorry i'm not office app user so i can't really recommend any other 'light presentation' apps
<grothesk> I dont know of any either.
<grothesk> kpresenter and impress are the ones I know of.
<FifaFrazer> Hey, im trying to compile gpsim (0.22.0) but i get the following error: http://paste.uni.cc/12339
<FifaFrazer> the configure file went fine
<grothesk> FifaFrazer: Is readline installed?
<magic_ninja> now my next project, how to fix this really low fps in enemy-territory
<Commander-Crowe> hi All
<grothesk> FifaFrazer: Install libterm-readline-gnu-perl
<FifaFrazer> grothesk, it says I already got the newest version
<FifaFrazer> from the edgy repos
<magic_ninja> i have only 2 channels of audio when i should have 4.1 (acutually 6 but we won't go there), i have tried adjusting amarok but to no avail...i must config my sound card
<PuMpErNiCkEl> FifaFrazer: It requires libreadline5-dev.
<FifaFrazer> oh. thanks
<FifaFrazer> I love these channels :D
<FifaFrazer> Just too bad i can only ask questions but never answer them :P
<magic_ninja> is there a repo for nvidia drivers
<PuMpErNiCkEl> magic_ninja: The beta drivers, or the currently stable ones?
<magic_ninja> PuMpErNiCkEl: beta sir...low fps in et, so i would like to try the beta ones (new graphics card running crappy)
<PuMpErNiCkEl> There's a repository that should have them at...
<PuMpErNiCkEl> !amaranth
<ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9629 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
<sparr> I have an Epson Stylus CX5400 scanner. It is officially supported by sane. I have the latest sane backends installed. SANE_DEBUG_EPSON produces info showing my scanner found, immediately followed by whatever sane frontend im using reporting no scanners found. Help? http://rafb.net/paste/results/7o5nGz95.html
<PuMpErNiCkEl> The 9629 is the second latest release of the beta driver, which is missing support for the 8800 series only, iirc.
<Kraken> Is there some way I can make bash /not/ tab complete into certain directories? (eg .svn/)
<sparr> dont hit tab after typing .svn/ ?
<Kraken> Well, yeah. But my issue is more when I'm tabbing about to cd and things like that. I'm more or less never going to want to move in a .svn directory, since I generally trust subversion, but it still comes up as a valid option, and I'm lazy and don't want to have to always select another dir.
<sparr> so you just hit 'cd <tab>' and dont want .svn on the list?
<Kraken> yah.
<Kraken> I've poked about on google, but I don't think I'm submitting the right queries.
<Kraken> hrm. poking more, it looks like I need to understand /etc/bash_completion *sigh* This looks complicated. Ah well.
<quad3datwork2> installing 6.10 right now. what's the option to disable power management? noapic or something? thx
<FifaFrazer> after i've installed the libreadline-dev pckage it was able to compile for several minutes, but now i get the following error: http://paste.uni.cc/12343
<PuMpErNiCkEl> FifaFrazer: Do you have libpopt-dev installed?
<FifaFrazer> no I had not :)
<PuMpErNiCkEl> You may be missing some other required dev packages.
<PuMpErNiCkEl> You can run 'sudo apt-get build-dep gpsim' to get all fo them.
<PuMpErNiCkEl> s/fo/of/
<FifaFrazer> nice
<basti> hello I have some trouble with xfce ... is it possible to reset xfce to the standard config?
<basti> maybe reinstall xfce?
<cellofellow> reinstall won't do it. if you log out of xfce, and then drop to the command line and remove some of the sub-dirs of ~/.config/ it might reset it.
<cellofellow> let figure out which ones
<basti> hmm my /usr/share/xfce4 dir was deleted :S
<cellofellow> yeah, reinstall allright
<basti> I did with apt-get install xfce4
<basti> but it's not there yet
<cellofellow> don't bother with the personal settings in /.config/
<cellofellow> apt-get reinstall xfce4 might work
<basti> there is no option alled reinstall
<cellofellow> :?
<basti> remoce and than install?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Yes there is. The --reinstall switch.
<basti> ok thx PuMpErNiCkEl
<cellofellow> ah, that's it, I'm used to aptitude sorry.
<basti> PuMpErNiCkEl, apt-get install --reinstall?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> Yeah.
<basti> ok thx ... i try
<cellofellow> where in the filesystem is Thunar's Trash?
<quad3datwork2> anyone got an issue with 6.10 not restarting? everytime i try to restart the box it kept getting froze at "Restarting system..."
<basti> hmm
<basti> the wm dont starts :S
<basti> i can start it when I start beryl-manager
<cellofellow> is xfwm4 intact?
<basti> is it normal to have only /usr/share/xfce4 menueditor and ..-mcs-plugins?
<basti> cellofellow, I dont think so :S
<cellofellow> try reinstalling it too.
<basti> how do I install the whole xfce content?
<basti> cant go to the wiki atm .. sorry :S
* quad3datwork2 shakes his laptop
<cellofellow> well, you can look through xubuntu-desktop's dependancies. see what's there. but xubuntu-desktop includes more than just xfce. includes apps like abiword and firefox.
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<MUTU> hey
<MUTU> what's that software to install IE on xubuntu called please?
<cellofellow> IE's4Linux I think
<basti> cellofellow, dont know exactly what you mean :S
<MUTU> yes, IEs4Linux, thanks
<cellofellow> basti: there's a meta-package called xubuntu-desktop that includes everything you need for the base xubuntu desktop. It includes all of the xfce packages.
<basti> can I reinstall the whole content?
<basti> how big is it?
<cellofellow> fair size.
<basti> hmm damn ...
<cellofellow> just reinstalling the metapackage won't do anything.
<FifaFrazer> The instructions tell me to change to root, and then type "make install", but if I in ubuntu write "sudo make install" it says: "Unknown id: make"
<cellofellow> install build-essential
<cellofellow> basti: just reinstalling the metapackage won't do anything.
<basti> me?
<cellofellow> no no :)
<basti> not build-essential?
<cellofellow> not you
<basti> ok
<cellofellow> FifaFrazer: actually, on second thought, that looks like something wrong with sudo
<FifaFrazer> hm..
<basti> hmm I can start a bit of xfce when I run beryl-manager
<basti> argh
<FifaFrazer> cellofellow, would it work if I launch a terminal with gksudo ?
<cellofellow> what about xfwm4
<cellofellow> should
<basti> hmm ...
<basti> where are the config files for beryl ...
<basti> hmm xfce works, but not how it should be ;D
<basti> I am so stupid ... why I have deleted that folder S:
<cellofellow> what about xfwm4?
<basti> reinstalled it too
<cellofellow> does it work though?
<cellofellow> instead of beryl
<basti> xfwm is running and so on
<basti> but the whole config and startup configs are messed up
<cellofellow> then log out, drop to command line, and remove those files
<basti> hmm dont think that it will dothe trick ... but I try
<basti> nothinh chnaged
<basti> was it that bad to delete the /usr/share/xfce4
<cellofellow> it didn't rewrite them?
<cellofellow> oh yes it was. that's system files
<basti> ok ...
<basti> I dont think I can recover them
<basti> maybe only a new installation of the whole thing will help :S
<basti> or is there a way with apt?
<basti> cellofellow, apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop wont help ...
<cellofellow> cause it'll just reinstall an empty package
<basti> so you cant help me any further?
<basti> ...
<basti> so reinstalling the whole system is the only way cellofellow?
<basti> why is there no complete xfce package
<cellofellow> dunno. cause it's modular I suppose
<basti> hmm
<FifaFrazer> Now I have updated gpsim to the newest version, reinstalled ktachlab, but there are still no PICs in the components list in ktechlab.. Anyone else having this problem?
<somerville32> install xfce4
<basti> somerville32, me?
<somerville32> Whats the problem basti?
<somerville32> Ah, ok
<basti> deleted blindly my /usr/share/xfce4
<basti> :S
<somerville32> basti: Why would you do that?
<basti> dont know ... it was a mistake .... I always forget -R option, but not this time
<basti> damn damn damn ...
<cellofellow> !language
<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
<basti> im sorry ...
<basti> how can I see the xfce content in the xubuntu-desktop package?
<somerville32> apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop
<somerville32> That will list the dependencies
<somerville32> Then you can use:
<basti> yes?
<basti> sorry ... Im a bit hectic.
<somerville32> lol
<somerville32> Sorry
* somerville32 has the flu and is... producing bodily fluids everywhere.
<basti> :)
<basti> so do you have something to tell me?
<basti> couldnt I "apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop" and than reinstall the whole content?
<somerville32> Negative
<basti> ok ... what can I do? :S
<cellofellow> that will just remove xubuntu-desktop, leaving the rest behind. (unless you installed it with aptitude.)
<basti> so I think there is nothing I can do ...
<basti> maybe I should reinstall the whole thing ... tomorrow
<basti> roger that?
<cellofellow> not neccesarily.
<cellofellow> what is it that is still not working?
<basti> i log in and there is no windowborders, than I start beryl-manager to load xfce that way.
<basti> now i have borders, but the there is nothing in my panel and so on
<basti> when I try to add something to the panel it crahs
<cellofellow> beryl is not xfce. it's beryl. try killing beryl and starting xfwm
<basti> cellofellow, how can I kill the whole x in the console?
<basti> so I can startxfce4
<cellofellow> sudo killall Xorg
<basti> with archlinux I did it with init 3
<basti> nothing changed ;)
<basti> but it is ok ... it is too late to get it working
<basti> tommorrow I do a little easy reinstall and it will work again ;)
<basti> and then there is no folder deleting :D
<basti> sorry for wasting your time, good night
<Farm_Fresh> ha
<bigfuzzyjesus> #ubuntu-offtopic /banlist
<bigfuzzyjesus> is there a way to look up a banlist for a room your banned from
<somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, I thought you agreed not to discuss this here anymore
<bigfuzzyjesus> sorry
<bigfuzzyjesus> can i msg you
<somerville32> Yes.
<somerville32> No need to ask
<Farm_Fresh> the lack of traffic here make holding the topic a moot point wouldn't you think?
<cellofellow> some would argue that.
<Farm_Fresh> I've been in this channel for umm.. a long time now... 8 am. The discussion has all been junk, off topic nonsense.
<cellofellow> today's been slow
<Farm_Fresh> I've noticed..
<Farm_Fresh> I just installed last night..
<bigfuzzyjesus> how do i update my applications menu, appfinder shows all my apps but my menu doesnt
<quad3datwork2> /usr/share/applications/
<Gosha> ... how do i do the startx -- :1 thing, but start an xubuntu session instead?
<cellofellow> perhaps startfxce4 accepts the same optiongs
<Gosha> *tries*
<Gosha> says there is no startfxce4 command :d
<Gosha> :D*
<cellofellow> startxfce4
<cellofellow> oops
<Gosha> xD
<bigfuzzyjesus> quad3datwork2, but i have them all installed, just not installed to that folder, so do i have to reinstall them all?
<Gosha> worked~ thanks~
* stefan916sp slaps stefan916 around a bit with a large trout
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<stefan916sp> anyone with xubuntu 6.10 on powerbook G3?
<mr_pouit> I am on macbook, but not powerbook :]
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<PuMpErNiCkEl> stefan916sp: What seems to be the problem?
<JKnife> o.O i just lagged the crap outta IRSSI
<Jester41> hello world
<stefan916sp> i just installed xubuntu 6.10 at a powerbookg3 and i can;t login in with the username i've created
<Jester41> are you useing same password as b4
<stefan916sp> yes
<Jester41> have you ever logged in
<stefan916sp> nop
<superkirbyartist> How will Xubuntu perform with 233mhz, 2GB HD, 192MB RAM?
<crimsun_> fine.
<superkirbyartist> Really?
<crimsun_> it runs on a 90 with 80 MB RAM
<Jester41> superkirbyartist: the ram is good the harddrive could be upgraded but it will run
<superkirbyartist> Does it run Well?
<crimsun_> I think it runs remarkably, but I'm biased.
<Jester41> superkirbyartist: better than on windows
<superkirbyartist> Jester41: External USB Flash Drive is okay?
<superkirbyartist> Jester41: All the way!
<superkirbyartist> Okay, people, if I save my work to USB, will it be good?
<Jester41> superkirbyartist: yes it would work if your motherboard support usb boot
<pvf> somebody help...i have dapper and want to install packages available in edgy, how do i do it ?
<Jester41> superkirbyartist: is xubuntu installed on to it or on a real drive
<superkirbyartist> It has some USB.
<superkirbyartist> Real Hard Drive 2GB.
<superkirbyartist> USB only 256MB.
<Jester41> so the os is on the drive and the work can be saved to the usb
<superkirbyartist> Yes sir.
<Jester41> the onlything i have ot sugest is not ot use anything with qt or anything java/gnome/kde
<superkirbyartist> Assuming an Abiword+Gnumeric+Criawips+Gimp installation, will there be at least a little room left on HD?
<superkirbyartist> Nor Flash?
<Jester41> im not usre
<Jester41> flash is fine
<superkirbyartist> Because I will be using SwishMax +Wine
* MagicFab is away: ...busy...
<Jester41> im taking about program not in a broswer like as azureus
<superkirbyartist> But the display is messed up on the iMac I<m using.
<superkirbyartist> So No LimeWire?
<Jester41> its just that java/qt/gnome/kde are pretty heravy on cpu and ram useage
<Jester41> superkirbyartist: use gtk-gnutella it uses the same network as limewire but its WAY faster
<superkirbyartist> Right, so no LimeWire. Any alternatives?
<superkirbyartist> Not satisfied with UI.
<superkirbyartist> Hard to delete/play songs.
<Jester41> Ul?
<superkirbyartist> User interface isn't so good.
<superkirbyartist> It works, but...
* MagicFab is away: on the phone
<superkirbyartist> ?
<Jester41> superkirbyartist: gtk-gnutella has no player
<superkirbyartist> No player?
<superkirbyartist> Oh, no music player.
<superkirbyartist> But the GUI... did you see the GUI?
<JKnife> Jester41: check out deluge-torrent and dump that java crap XD
<superkirbyartist> Jester41?
<JKnife> PIE FTW!
<JKnife> "Shared Ratio 375.92%" and i only got ~60mb so far =\
<JKnife> sad huh?
<Aar0n444> Is Xubuntu the lightest version of Ubuntu with a Window manager?
<Jester45> yes
<PuMpErNiCkEl> You can use any window manager you want on Ubuntu, but Xubuntu is the lightest official bundled system.
<Aar0n444> Thanks :-)
<Jester45> Aar0n444: you can use xfce on ubuntu xfce is what xubuntu uses but xubuntu has lighter programs
<Aar0n444> Ah I see.
<Aar0n444> Does it include openOffice and that?
<PuMpErNiCkEl> No, it uses lighter equivalents, such as Abiword and Gnumeric.
<silvertip257> hi
<Jester45> hi

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