| <SpacePuppy> wow.. this channel is out of control tonight! | |
| <tonyyarusso> hi SpacePuppy | |
| <SpacePuppy> hey tonyyarusso how is ya? | |
| <tonyyarusso> SpacePuppy: Not so great actually - I think I'm coming down with something. I just slept 16 hours and still want to go back to bed. | |
| <tonyyarusso> And my hardest exam is on Tuesday | |
| <SpacePuppy> I slept most of saturday myself. I've also talked to several people who also did the same. the only thing I can figure is the recent solar activity. | |
| <PFA> tonyyarusso: ugh, i think i ahve the same thing as you. D: | |
| <tonyyarusso> SpacePuppy: Oooh, I like it. A scapegoat. | |
| <SpacePuppy> http://spaceweather.com/ see the byline The Storm Is Over | |
| <PFA> i slept 24 of the last 33 hours. *_* | |
| <tonyyarusso> It would really suck if I was getting something bad too. I have a depressed immune system for other medical reasons. | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: get some exercise, I have found that is the best way to feel more awake | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: That would be good. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Maybe I'll run a few blocks or something. | |
| <Burgundavia> get on your bike and ride a bit, assuming the weather allows it | |
| <tonyyarusso> It's not just sleepy though, more like exhausted, so I'm not sure how well that will go. | |
| <Burgundavia> exercise will still help | |
| <SpacePuppy> situps, pushups are always a good thing to have in the repertoire | |
| <Burgundavia> fresh air is also pretty key | |
| <Burgundavia> inside has pretty terrible oxygen levels | |
| <tonyyarusso> that sounds entirely likely. | |
| * tonyyarusso opens door | |
| <Burgundavia> if you find yourself sleepy in one location, I suggest you figure out a way to test the air | |
| <tonyyarusso> Any hints on how one would do that/ | |
| <Burgundavia> you might be having carbon monoxide leaking into the air from your furnace | |
| <tonyyarusso> ? | |
| <tonyyarusso> I'll bring the CO detector into this room | |
| <Burgundavia> http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/maho/yohoyohe/inaiqu/index.cfm | |
| <Burgundavia> the great canuck gov brings it out | |
| <SpacePuppy> lol.. out of the storm.. http://sec.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/satenv/20061217_satenv.gif | |
| <tonyyarusso> yay | |
| <SpacePuppy> I am a bit of a Space Weather junkie.. lol. Solar flares and stuff. and we just went thru some way major stuff. | |
| * tonyyarusso applauds canuck gov...for some things | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: do you have any friend who fly? | |
| <tonyyarusso> SpacePuppy: I tried driving north to see some aurorae, but little luck | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I used to, but he a) was in MN, and b) died last year | |
| <Burgundavia> hmm, that sucks | |
| <tonyyarusso> yeah | |
| <tonyyarusso> It was horribly ironic too. | |
| <tonyyarusso> He died of a tumor in the brain stem. | |
| <tonyyarusso> He was a neurologist. | |
| <SpacePuppy> tonyyarusso: yup.. down here in the big smoke nothing to see either.. too much cloud cover. | |
| <lophylap> hey folks | |
| <tonyyarusso> So when he heard the diagnosis, he knew exactly what his odds were. | |
| <SpacePuppy> hey LoCoBot_2 | |
| <SpacePuppy> and lophylap | |
| <SpacePuppy> and LoCoBot_2 | |
| <lophylap> lol | |
| <lophylap> how goes it SpacePuppy? haven't seen you in a while | |
| <tonyyarusso> Well, our cheap little CO detector says nothing. I'll probably try to get a real test done sometime though | |
| <tonyyarusso> and that page is failing to load Burgundavia | |
| <Burgundavia> if you can, sleep with a window open somewhere in the house, preferably close to your bedroom | |
| <SpacePuppy> lophylap: been busy.. lots of work.. lots of xmas partys lol | |
| <lophylap> ahh | |
| <lophylap> coming out to our social fest this week? | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: I would also ask your doctor, to see if you can figure out if prov. med can pay for some of the testing | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I don't have a doctor here. | |
| <Burgundavia> ah | |
| <Burgundavia> find one | |
| <tonyyarusso> Joy! | |
| * tonyyarusso curses | |
| <tonyyarusso> f$*%ing Peterborough has a major shortage of doctors, so that's easier said than done | |
| <tonyyarusso> This town has some friendly folks and stuff, but do not ever ever think it's suitable for raising a family, btw | |
| <tonyyarusso> Maybe I'm too much of a city kid after all, although I certainly like going to the boonies on weekends. | |
| <tonyyarusso> That whole (/me counts...) 6 major, respected hospitals in the half of town near me, and argueably the leading medical facility in the world and hour and a half away thing at home is kinda nice. | |
| <tonyyarusso> *an hour | |
| <Burgundavia> lophylap: you there? | |
| <PFA> anyone here in Toronto? | |
| <Burgundavia> heh | |
| <Burgundavia> half our crew | |
| <PFA> i need to know if there's 24h news source for toronto | |
| <PFA> cuz pulse24 is gone | |
| <PFA> and my mom sez there were insane amounts of police cars on her way home today | |
| <zakaria> hi everybody! | |
| <zakaria> i have a problem | |
| <zakaria> how can i choose mplayer as default video player | |
| <zakaria> on firefox | |
| <zakaria> ? | |
| <zakaria> thank you | |
| <PFA> !enter | |
| <Burgundavia> zakaria: the plugin? | |
| <PFA> where is ubotu? :( | |
| <Burgundavia> dead, apparently | |
| <zakaria> Burgundavia: i've ialready nstalled the plugin | |
| <Burgundavia> I'm a locoteam leader, not a bot technician | |
| <Burgundavia> zakaria: then remove the totem-mozilla plugin | |
| <zakaria> Burgundavia: ok. i'll try. thanks | |
| <SpacePuppy> PFA: what part of town? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Um, I'm still a little bit ignorant - how does one go about getting a doctor here anyway? (I'm hesitant to make assumptions, since last year I assumed there would be a 24-hr walk in urgent care clinic, and after an hour and a half of confused people on the phone, came to the conclusion that the hospital emergency room was the only option...) | |
| <PFA> SpacePuppy: scarborough | |
| <lophylap> pulse24 is gone? since when? | |
| <PFA> since iw ent to their website and it redirected me to citynews.ca | |
| <lophylap> that's what pulse24 is. | |
| <PFA> but it used to be like, 24 hour. ya know? | |
| <zakaria> Burgundavia: big thanks, it works ! | |
| <lophylap> and citynews isn't? :P | |
| <PFA> now it's all just stuff from the 6 o'clock news | |
| <lophylap> its the same as far as I can tell. | |
| <SpacePuppy> lol.. there are always insane amounts of police out there.. it's almost a police state. | |
| <lophylap> SpacePuppy: you coming out to the social gathering this week? | |
| <SpacePuppy> wednesday? | |
| <lophylap> yup | |
| <lophylap> tonyyarusso is coming down | |
| <SpacePuppy> sounds like fun!! who else is gonna be ther? | |
| <tonyyarusso> yeppers | |
| <PFA> SpacePuppy: uhhh... i live here. there are usually NOT like 300 police cars on a minor street at 7:00 at night. | |
| <lophylap> I dunno | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: 300? Most I've seen was like a dozen. | |
| <SpacePuppy> lol.. i work in scarboro.. i knowbetter.. lol | |
| <PFA> uhhh obviously not literally 300 | |
| <lophylap> PFA: one time I saw one of those courts trucks going along eglinton, surrounded by 4 ETF trucks with their sirens going. | |
| <lophylap> I still wonder who was in the court truck :P | |
| <SpacePuppy> you can't move in scarboro w/o seeing a police car. | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophylap: ETF? | |
| <tonyyarusso> At home we don't even have our own police dept - we contract out to the county sherriff. | |
| <lophylap> ETF = emergency task force | |
| <lophylap> the Canadian equivilent of SWAT | |
| <lophylap> so.. seeing a courts truck surrounded by ETF trucks kinda made me go "huh" | |
| <tonyyarusso> ah | |
| <tonyyarusso> What's the population of ottawa? | |
| <tonyyarusso> (roughly) | |
| <lophylap> not sure | |
| <PFA> small | |
| <PFA> ottawa-hull is bigger than a million i think, but ottawa proper is probably like 300k | |
| <SpacePuppy> lophylap: guy prolly ran a yellow light and the cops got pissed off because he said why?? | |
| <lophylap> SpacePuppy: in a courts truck? | |
| <lophylap> they were transporting someone | |
| <SpacePuppy> or perhaps a prisioner was speaking rudley. | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: Hmm...I might like it there. St. Paul is around 200kish, metro area is 2.5 mil. | |
| <SpacePuppy> rudley?? rudely.. lol | |
| <Madpilot> hi all | |
| <lophylap> hey Madpilot | |
| <tonyyarusso> hi Madpilot | |
| <tonyyarusso> Okay, Burg seems busy. Maybe someone else can explain it to me: | |
| <tonyyarusso> How does one go about getting a doctor here anyway? (I'm hesitant to make assumptions, since last year I assumed there would be a 24-hr walk in urgent care clinic, and after an hour and a half of confused people on the phone, came to the conclusion that the hospital emergency room was the only option...) | |
| <lophylap> what does 'here' refer to? | |
| <SpacePuppy> tonyyarusso: wazzup?? | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, you're at university, they almost certainly have a student health centre of some sort | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: They do...but is that even a real doctor? I don't even know. | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophylap: Canada | |
| <lophylap> as opposed to what? the US? | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, well, phoning them tomorrow would probably be a good first step, regardless ;) | |
| <SpacePuppy> yup.. vancouver? toronto, St. John?? | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophylap: Correct | |
| <lophylap> find a walk-in clinic | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Well, maybe not tomorrow, since I leave Wednesday. | |
| <lophylap> if there isn't one open, go to the ER | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophylap: We don't have one. | |
| <tonyyarusso> wtf...Why the ER? | |
| <tonyyarusso> I still have all of my limbs. | |
| <SpacePuppy> what is the problem?? | |
| <tonyyarusso> See, this is where I get lost. | |
| <lophylap> because there's nowhere else to go | |
| <lophylap> if there's no walk-in clinics open, you go to the ER | |
| <lophylap> that's how it works | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, if they don't have docs on staff (they might well) your student health centre can almost certainly get you a referal to a doc | |
| <SpacePuppy> unless you can wait.. what is the problem tonyyarusso ?? | |
| <tonyyarusso> SpacePuppy: Well, specifically, I feel like crap, Burg suggested it might be the air where I'm living, and I might be able to get a doctor to say something such that the gov. pays for an air quality inspection | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophylap: That's so...weird. | |
| <lophylap> where else would you go? :P | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: How do referrals work with OSAP? (Ontario health insurance) | |
| <SpacePuppy> tonyyarusso: why do you think it's your living accomodation? | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, haven't a clue. | |
| <lophylap> ontario health insurance = OHIP | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophylap: I don't know....I'm using to having options coming out of my ears at home | |
| <tonyyarusso> SpacePuppy: b/c it's ongoing and different from home | |
| <tonyyarusso> lophylap: Right, I can't type | |
| <tonyyarusso> OSAP is bursary nonsense... | |
| <tonyyarusso> blaa | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, seriously, your uni health centre is the place to start - or do you have some sort of foreign-student contact? | |
| <lophylap> indeed | |
| <PFA> did someone highlight me | |
| <Madpilot> PFA, PFA PFA PFA PFA, not that I noticed. ;) | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: We do - TIP would be good too. | |
| <PFA> haha ok | |
| <PFA> omg omg | |
| <PFA> guys | |
| <PFA> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whmAOfG-TRw <-- this really is a true story... the Marilynn mentioned is a friend of my little sister's; she lives across the street and is moving to nunavut next month... this is HILARIOUS | |
| <somerville32> 0o | |
| <lophylap> perhaps i should go hack on some django code.. | |
| <Madpilot> I need to get my speakers hooked back up. Having no computer sound sucketh mightily | |
| <lophylap> SpacePuppy: come out to the meet on wednesday, I gotta show you my new lappy anyway ;) | |
| <Madpilot> Anyone want to write an intro for the ubuntu.ca website? 1-3 paragraphs on "What is Ubuntu Canada, and what does it do?"... | |
| <Madpilot> ... don't all volunteer at once, now... | |
| <PFA> umm | |
| <PFA> depends | |
| <PFA> what DOES Ubuntu Canada do? | |
| <Madpilot> drink beer (or coffee products, if you're from Toronto) | |
| <PFA> umm... i dont think i can write about that, as i'm underaged | |
| <PFA> does "bringing the ubuntu spirit to canada" sound OK? | |
| <La_PaRCa> Madpilot, wow, had I know before. I can definitely get behind ubuntu-ca under those conditions. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I probably could, but not this week. Depends what your timing was. | |
| <Madpilot> no real timeframe; I might do it myself if inspiration strikes, but more community involvement is a Good Thing(tm) | |
| <PFA> well | |
| <PFA> should it just be nice-sounding BS? | |
| <PFA> cuz i can do that | |
| <tonyyarusso> I think we can do better than an English essay | |
| <PFA> sick burn :( | |
| <Madpilot> PFA, more or less. Take some of the stuff from the CanadianTeam wiki page & the LP page | |
| <PFA> OK | |
| <PFA> i'll try | |
| <PFA> gimme a efw minutew | |
| <PFA> s | |
| <Madpilot> doesn't have to be long | |
| <PFA> where's the LP page? | |
| <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-ca | |
| <Madpilot> http://ubuntu-ca.org/links.html | |
| <PFA> "we" or "they"? | |
| <PFA> comeo n, imporatnt question | |
| <PFA> Madpilot? | |
| <Madpilot> we | |
| <lophylap> mmmm linuxcaffe hot chocolate | |
| <PFA> should i add some kind of blurb about why YOU, yes YOU should become a member of Ubuntu Canada? | |
| <Burgundavia> absolutely | |
| <PFA> Ubuntu Canada is a group of dedicated Ubuntu users across Canada who have come together to provide a small, friendly support community for new and old Ubuntu users alike. We are devoted to bringing the spirit of Ubuntu to Canada, through promotion, support and localization efforts. Our team is connected to Linux User Groups all over Canada, and we attend many major Canadian technical events. | |
| <PFA> The effort to bring the spirit of Ubuntu to Canada cannot be accomplished by any single user -- we need the support of all kinds of Canadian Ubuntu users, experienced and inexperienced alike. If you are an Ubuntu user in Canada, please consider joining the Ubuntu Canada team. | |
| <Burgundavia> sounds good | |
| <Madpilot> thanks, going up on the site shortly ;) | |
| <Burgundavia> rocking | |
| <Madpilot> hmm, after I un-freeze gnome-panel... back in a bit | |
| <Madpilot> gah. PFA could you paste that again? Forgot to get it out of XChat before it restarted | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: Have you asked your mum whether you can come to Ubuntu-TO's social gathering? | |
| <PFA> Ubuntu Canada is a group of dedicated Ubuntu users across Canada who have come together to provide a small, friendly support community for new and old Ubuntu users alike. We are devoted to bringing the spirit of Ubuntu to Canada, through promotion, support and localization efforts. Our team is connected to Linux User Groups all over Canada, and we attend many major Canadian technical events. | |
| <PFA> The effort to bring the spirit of Ubuntu to Canada cannot be accomplished by any single user -- we need the support of all kinds of Canadian Ubuntu users, experienced and inexperienced alike. If you are an Ubuntu user in Canada, please consider joining the Ubuntu Canada team. | |
| <PFA> tonyyarusso: that's a "no" | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: Too bad. | |
| <SpacePuppy> did you ask your mom if she wanted to come too? | |
| <PFA> she doesn't | |
| <SpacePuppy> oh well, she'd have a great time if she did. | |
| <PFA> no she wouldn't. | |
| <PFA> she's not a big fan of twenty-something nerds. i dont think she'd have much to relate to. | |
| <SpacePuppy> yes she would. David P would entertain her | |
| <PFA> no. | |
| <SpacePuppy> a few of us aren't 20-soemtning | |
| <PFA> shyeah, 30-something, even better. | |
| <PFA> busy on IRC and using linux when they should be out being productive members of society. | |
| <PFA> what joy. | |
| <SpacePuppy> irc on a sunday night isn't that bad.. | |
| <PFA> ok | |
| <PFA> can someone turn on A-Channel | |
| <PFA> like someone in toronto or thereabouts. anyone who gets it. | |
| <PFA> and see if i am the only one who hears the HORRIBLE SOUND QUALITY On that station | |
| <PFA> which is driving me | |
| <PFA> UP | |
| <PFA> THE | |
| <PFA> WALL | |
| <PFA> OMGMGMGMGMGMG | |
| <PFA> like seriously i am going batty | |
| <SpacePuppy> lol | |
| <SpacePuppy> rofl we have a woowoo.. i wonder if he/she/it lives by the woowoo credo?? http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html | |
| <woowoo> woowoo didn't realize she had a credo. :) | |
| <SpacePuppy> i'm sorry, you didn't use the word Quantum in that sentence. :) | |
| <woowoo> or anomaly | |
| <woowoo> :) | |
| <woowoo> i'm a little skeptical about using words that sound intelligient | |
| <SpacePuppy> are you at least drinking heavily? | |
| <SpacePuppy> :) | |
| <SpacePuppy> cause if you ain't drinkin heavily, then you may need to be :) lol | |
| <SpacePuppy> woowoo credo #13 | |
| <woowoo> does 3 cans of diet coke count? | |
| <SpacePuppy> aspertame will kill you for sure and leave far fewer functional brain cells than baker's hooch.. so yes!!! | |
| <SpacePuppy> heh, that was a tricky paradigm switch! | |
| <Madpilot> website updated - thanks for the writing, PFA | |
| <PFA> np | |
| <PFA> can i see where my beautiful work is being hosted? :O | |
| <tonyyarusso> ubuntu.ca should be it, no? | |
| <Madpilot> ya, or ubuntu-ca.org | |
| <Heterocephalus> super logo | |
| <Madpilot> the .org URL is actually better, there's a minor but irritating issue w/ the ubuntu.ca URL | |
| <Madpilot> free beer to whoever first notices the issue w/ ubuntu.ca ;) | |
| <Heterocephalus> i guess i get nothing free | |
| <Heterocephalus> i can't find anything | |
| <PFA> umm | |
| <PFA> is it a domain hack? | |
| <Madpilot> it's a hack of some sort. hint: change pages | |
| <PFA> oh, what's with the IP address URLs? | |
| <PFA> do we like... not actually own the domain or something? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I can tell you one thing, ping doesn't go through on it :( | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: correct | |
| <Madpilot> PFA, correct - the guy who owns ubuntu.ca isn't involved at all anymore, but he won't sell the domain :| | |
| <PFA> yay! do i gt free beer? | |
| * tonyyarusso knew that already, so disqualified himself | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: Sure. It will arrive in three years ;) | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Does he say why? | |
| <Heterocephalus> it's a make it your self kit | |
| <tonyyarusso> Heterocephalus: Nah, she'd still get that up and running before she was legal. They only take a few months. | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, no - Corey has talked to him several times; he just refuses to surrender or sell the domain | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Um, couldn't Canonical repo it on legal grounds of trademark infringement? Not exactly _kind_, but possible. | |
| <Heterocephalus> a basic kit, just some seeds | |
| <tonyyarusso> haha | |
| <Madpilot> Yes, but that's really the nuclear option. Exactly the wrong sort of publicity for a FLOSS project or team... | |
| <Madpilot> Canonical would have good grounds, though - they even have an operations centre in Montreal, after all | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Right. I was just pondering how this might end eventually. That would be really unfortunate though. What kind of sum was he offered? | |
| <tonyyarusso> When does it expire? | |
| <Madpilot> I don't think money was discussed; so far AFAIK it's all been in terms of a friendly handover - which isn't happening | |
| <tonyyarusso> Ah | |
| <tonyyarusso> Hopefully Corey's pointed a pointy stick at the "Graceful transition" section of the CoC a few times. | |
| <Madpilot> it expires April 29 2008 | |
| <tonyyarusso> Well, in the grand scheme of things that might not be too bad. | |
| <Madpilot> it's mostly just awkward, not having full control of the team's obvious URL | |
| <tonyyarusso> Of course | |
| <tonyyarusso> What would happen if Canonical called and requested it friendly-like instead of just your brother? | |
| <PFA> i could call! | |
| <PFA> nobody can resist my adorable teenage charms. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Um, right... | |
| * PFA bats eyes coyly | |
| <tonyyarusso> I don't think we want PFA trading "adorable teenage charms" for domains. That just sounds like it could get us into trouble. | |
| <PFA> please mr domain name guy, give us back our domain! | |
| <PFA> and gimme a pony. | |
| <Madpilot> I can see the headline now, tonyyarusso ;) | |
| <PFA> hey, i'm over the AoC | |
| <tonyyarusso> True. That's creepy. | |
| <PFA> why? *flutters eyelashes :D* | |
| <tonyyarusso> Okay...and now it just got awkwarder. | |
| <PFA> mwahahaha. | |
| <PFA> you know, i don't think i am really as dumb or ditzy or cutesy as i act sometimes. | |
| <PFA> but oh well. people expect less of you if they think you are stupid :D | |
| <Madpilot> The command line is fun - I ran /whois ubuntu.ca to chck the expiry, then realized I'd actually run the command on the ubuntu.ca server via SSH... | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, I am in ur serverz, eatin ur bandwithz | |
| <Madpilot> bandwidthz, even | |
| <PFA> i am in ur uterus, talkin to ur embry0z | |
| <Heterocephalus> haha | |
| <Madpilot> ... | |
| <PFA> i am in ur past, altering ur future | |
| <Madpilot> Regarding ponies: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg | |
| <PFA> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! | |
| * PFA does a Luke Skywalker | |
| <PFA> WALL | |
| <PFA> what joy. | |
| <PFA> cuz i can do that | |
| <Heterocephalus> question not related to anything computer, I was going to make a internet purchase using a visa on an American site, do i need to do anything special or will visa do the exchange rate and everything will go as normal? | |
| <PFA> i think it is fine | |
| <Heterocephalus> im guessing visa will charge a bit for the exchange or something | |
| <tonyyarusso> Heterocephalus: They do it for you. The usual charge for international purchases is 3%. | |
| <Heterocephalus> thanks | |
| * tonyyarusso is savvy on exchange rates and such | |
| <Madpilot> you'll get a decent exchange rate, though - Visa does bulk exchanges | |
| <tonyyarusso> That's true. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Better than some shady vendor or something | |
| <Heterocephalus> thanks for your help | |
| <Heterocephalus> ill go off and spend some monies now | |
| <Burgundavia> Madpilot: sounds like fun. What are you doing | |
| <Burgundavia> ? | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, nothing, actually, beyond running stuff on .ca that I could just as easily run on my home box | |
| <Burgundavia> ah | |
| <Burgundavia> go nuts | |
| <Madpilot> ya, it's not like we're really overtaxing the server | |
| <Madpilot> hmm, we could use ubuntu.ca as a BT peer for release ISOs... | |
| <Burgundavia> no | |
| <Madpilot> I guess having Shaw notice that we're running a server on a residential account would, in fact, be A Bad Thing | |
| <Heterocephalus> thanks again and good night | |
| <Madpilot> night Heterocephalus | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Do they have rules against that? | |
| <Madpilot> I think so | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: That's overwhelmingly dumb. | |
| * tonyyarusso curses at all this limited internet crap | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Meanwhile, my server was a BT seeder on Edgy release ;) | |
| <mneptok> where is the u.ca server being hosted? | |
| <Madpilot> mneptok, an elderly greybox in Burgundavia's basement | |
| <mneptok> we could prolly host it here. | |
| <Burgundavia> my stepmothers ex machine | |
| <Madpilot> our stepmother's old Win98 machine, to be exact ;) | |
| <Burgundavia> that would be lovely | |
| <mneptok> i'll talk to jbailey about it | |
| <Burgundavia> excelletn | |
| <Madpilot> mneptok, 'here' being Montreal? | |
| <mneptok> Madpilot: aye, in the offices | |
| <Madpilot> Canonical Montreal, that is | |
| <PFA> hey, i have an old win98 machine! | |
| <PFA> maybe i should turn it into a server >D | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Do you want mneptok to look into the domain at all, or at least fill him in on the details? | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, Burgundavia's department more than mine | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: right | |
| <Burgundavia> the .ca domain is not held by me | |
| <tonyyarusso> and he's busy. later perhaps | |
| <Burgundavia> I got nowhere when I asked for the domain to be transferred to me | |
| <mneptok> waitaminnit. the .ca team is now an official, butt-sniffed, honest-to-FSM, Council-approved LoCo team now, right? if so, we qualify for hosting at the Canonical DC. :) | |
| <Burgundavia> not quite yet | |
| <mneptok> oh. | |
| <Burgundavia> people have not stepped up to the plate and volunteered to fix our roadmap | |
| <mneptok> i was half asleep at the CC meeting. the other half was drunk. | |
| * Burgundavia is annoyed by this, very annoyed | |
| <mneptok> right, roadmap. | |
| * Madpilot volunteers Burgundavia to fix the roadmap | |
| <mneptok> "voluntells" | |
| <Burgundavia> ok, angry email away | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Should the roadmap only have big / well-established things on it, or can we include our "crazy ideas by members"? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Angry e-mail to who, domain owner? | |
| <Burgundavia> it needs people to say "I am going to X" | |
| <Burgundavia> no, to our list | |
| <Madpilot> I am going to poke randomly at the HTML & CSS of the website. And misuse my sudo privs on the server. | |
| <Madpilot> and mix very strong gin & tonics on Sunday nights | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Is "I am going to _try_ to do" good enough? I think my language idea is pretty cool, but have no idea whether it will fly. | |
| * mneptok is goinmg to make coffee and check the e-mail queues. | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: absolutely. It just needs to have a name on it | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I'll add it then :) | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, roadmap URL again? | |
| <Burgundavia> /ApprovalApplication | |
| <Burgundavia> adding stuff about the website is good too | |
| <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/ApprovalApplication <-- anyone editing that right now? | |
| <Madpilot> I'll take that as a No. I'm done | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Doesn't the wiki tell you anyway? | |
| <Madpilot> usually, but sometimes it doesn't seem to | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: You might be right about the air thing...I had the door closed for a while and now I have a headache and am tired again. Bloody hell... | |
| <Burgundavia> there we go | |
| <tonyyarusso> I'm beginning to really hate this renting thing. | |
| <Burgundavia> I realize I pay less than the "low income" housing that is offered for homeless and welfare people | |
| <tonyyarusso> I'm sure I do too. | |
| <tonyyarusso> $325 w/heat + electric, water, internet, phone | |
| <Burgundavia> ok, this is crack | |
| <tonyyarusso> First time not in an owned house though. | |
| <Burgundavia> why is my cd player spinning at full speed for a music cd? | |
| <Burgundavia> hmm, wonder what is causing that | |
| <La_PaRCa> http://www.freemillionpixelspage.com/index.php <-- we should get ubuntu in there | |
| <La_PaRCa> anyone got an @ubuntu.com mail address? | |
| <Burgundavia> yep | |
| <Burgundavia> working on it | |
| <La_PaRCa> working on what? | |
| <La_PaRCa> on getting ubuntu in there? | |
| <tonyyarusso> La_PaRCa: Take that as a yes I think | |
| <La_PaRCa> oh, ok. I just wasnt following the conversation here and I thought he was talking about something else | |
| <tonyyarusso> La_PaRCa: I think "working on it" .... *disappear* is his cryptic way of saying "sounds cool! I will now be away for ten minutes while I take care of that" | |
| <La_PaRCa> oh, ok | |
| <Burgundavia> yep | |
| <Burgundavia> http://antony.lesuisse.org/qweb/trac/wiki/AjaxTerm <-- ok, this looks cool | |
| <tonyyarusso> Okay, taking drastic action. | |
| <tonyyarusso> My door to outside is all the way open and I'm donning the warm clothes. | |
| <Madpilot> minor(ish) update to ubuntu.a | |
| <Madpilot> ubuntu.ca, even | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I still can't load that air quality page, can you? | |
| * tonyyarusso puts on gloves | |
| <Burgundavia> http://www.frederiksamuel.com/blog/images/myflags.swf | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: yes | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Care to screenshot it for me or something? | |
| <Burgundavia> just a sec | |
| <Burgundavia> finding the url agin | |
| <Burgundavia> hmm, appears I don't have it | |
| <Burgundavia> http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/maho/yohoyohe/inaiqu/inaiqu_002.cfm | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: ah, the one I had was index | |
| <tonyyarusso> which...works now after the subpage was loaded | |
| <tonyyarusso> weird | |
| <La_PaRCa> hey, is there some dafault code in the wiki that allows me to place the little flags for different languages | |
| <La_PaRCa> like, if I want to link to a translation of something | |
| <La_PaRCa> ok, fine. Be that way! | |
| <tonyyarusso> La_PaRCa: ask in -doc; it will look more important ;) | |
| <tonyyarusso> I'm going for a run; I'll update you on how I feel when I get back. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Blaaaah | |
| * tonyyarusso uses some !offtopic4offtopic language | |
| <tonyyarusso> That did not help | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: So I can get government inspectors on a doctor's order? | |
| <Burgundavia> no idea | |
| <tonyyarusso> oh | |
| <Burgundavia> shoot for the stars, the worst you can do is end up in the upper atmospher | |
| <tonyyarusso> I guess | |
| <tonyyarusso> Where you are then 15 miles up, in freefall. Lovely. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Terminal velocity might be exciting I suppose. | |
| <Madpilot> the sudden stop at the end might be slightly unhealthy | |
| <tonyyarusso> Phooey | |
| <Tourudactyl> Just land in an ocean or something. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Well, that's about how I feel. Maybe I had one of those falling dreams and it forgot to Ctrl-C when I woke up. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Tourudactyl: Ever used a diving board? That would still hurt like hell. | |
| <mneptok> you that feeling you get when you lean back in a chair, *almost* tip over, but catch yourself? | |
| <mneptok> i feel like that all the time. | |
| <Tourudactyl> I was trying to think of naturally-occuring soft things. Ocean was the best I managed! | |
| <mneptok> Tourudactyl: bunnies. | |
| <mneptok> bunnies have no surface tension. | |
| <Tourudactyl> If you squished them, wouldn't bones poke out and injure you? | |
| <Tourudactyl> Also, poor bunnies. | |
| <mneptok> it's not like they're endangered | |
| <tonyyarusso> mneptok: More like I leaned back, tipped over, hit my head on a tile floor, got back up, and don't remember doing so. | |
| * mneptok stares blankly | |
| <mneptok> whaaaa'? | |
| <mneptok> *drool* | |
| * tonyyarusso switches bodies with mneptok for the remainder of the week | |
| <tonyyarusso> It's ugly, but awake enough to take my exams. | |
| <mneptok> so you might think. | |
| <mneptok> but ... you'd be wrong :) | |
| <tonyyarusso> For which part? | |
| <mneptok> the latter, natch. | |
| <mneptok> the former is a given. | |
| <tonyyarusso> ah | |
| <IntToStr> anyone online who could possibly help me out with a problem? | |
| <PFA> MAYBE | |
| <PFA> what is the problem | |
| <PFA> IntToStr :) | |
| <IntToStr> ok, well i am a new ubuntu user, | |
| <IntToStr> i am attempting to get my wifi working | |
| <IntToStr> i have a D-Link WDA-1320 with an Atheros chipset | |
| <IntToStr> does not seem to want to work, it is detected under lshw, but not properly | |
| <PFA> wow i am astonished by my nonknowledgeability of this subject | |
| <PFA> you've been all over the forums and everything? | |
| <IntToStr> i have been trying to go through the troubleshooting guide but too no avail | |
| <IntToStr> yes, but nobody has responded in like 2 nights. | |
| <IntToStr> do you know how to get a pci device working? | |
| <PFA> nooo D: have you searched archives? google? | |
| <PFA> i would do a search for you but i am busy trying to configure something on my browser | |
| <PFA> and i am more clueless than you here | |
| <PFA> honestly i dont even know what PCI is lol | |
| <IntToStr> i have found a few things, but the only problem is that i am on my old laptop, im trying to get it working on my new desktop | |
| <IntToStr> ohok, im a hardware geek, not too too much into software | |
| <Tourudactyl> Have you tried #ubuntu? | |
| <PFA> that is nowadays a last resort for many people...:P | |
| <IntToStr> i was in "ubuntu" but noone would help me | |
| <Tourudactyl> I think wifi is a common problem, but I don't know anything about it, because I've been lucky enough to never have trouble. | |
| <Burgundavia> IntToStr: make certain you have linux-restricted-modules installed | |
| <Tourudactyl> Ah, yes, understandably. | |
| <PFA> IntToStr: if you need desperate help, go to #kubuntu or #xubuntu... if they ask you are on KDE or XFCE. nobody needs to know the difference since it's not a DE problem. ;) | |
| <Burgundavia> for atheros you need the madwifi, which is not in the main kernel | |
| <Burgundavia> which version of Ubuntu are you running? | |
| <IntToStr> ok, could i download it on a windows laptop, throw it on my mp3 player then throw it onto my desktop? | |
| <IntToStr> amd64 edgy | |
| <Burgundavia> which desktop? | |
| <Burgundavia> gnome, kde, xfce? | |
| <IntToStr> how can i make sure i have restricted modules installed? | |
| <IntToStr> gnome | |
| <Burgundavia> right | |
| <Burgundavia> open the synaptic package manager | |
| <Burgundavia> search for restricted | |
| <IntToStr> lol, i still have some old hoary discks tho..... | |
| <Burgundavia> I have warty disks | |
| <Burgundavia> the next thing you need to install the network-manager | |
| <Burgundavia> so search for and install network-manager-gnome | |
| <IntToStr> lol, i guess my x2 athlon is a k8? i believe it is.... | |
| <Burgundavia> then restart your computer | |
| <Burgundavia> yes it is, but there are no optimzed kernels anymore | |
| <Burgundavia> your kernel should end in -generic | |
| <Burgundavia> if it doesn't, you don't have edgy | |
| <IntToStr> ok, it had an error, i think because im not on net. | |
| <Burgundavia> what error? | |
| <IntToStr> "failed to fetch" | |
| <Burgundavia> that shouldn't be an issue | |
| <IntToStr> for the restricted modules | |
| <Burgundavia> oh, they are not instlaled? | |
| <IntToStr> no, i do not believe so. | |
| <Burgundavia> hmm, that is very odd | |
| <Burgundavia> how did you install? | |
| <IntToStr> oem | |
| <IntToStr> from amd64 disc, took me a week to troubleshoot through the install, it would always hang at usplash | |
| <Burgundavia> right | |
| <Burgundavia> please file a bug on that | |
| <IntToStr> turns out i hadn't been setting the / as bootable | |
| <IntToStr> should i install as regular user? | |
| <IntToStr> like in text mode? | |
| <Burgundavia> oh, wait | |
| <Burgundavia> we should be building madwifi on amd64 | |
| <Burgundavia> tbh, I would install i386 on any amd64 machine I found | |
| <Burgundavia> 64 bit is of little benefit and huge headache | |
| <IntToStr> true true, if i where to install the 6.06, and uppdate it too 6.1 would that work? | |
| <IntToStr> i wiped out xp before i could burn all of my disks, so all i got is i386 6.06, and amd 64 6.1 | |
| <Burgundavia> yep, but easier and faster to pull down the x86 iso | |
| <Burgundavia> oh, wait, you are hooped | |
| <IntToStr> hooped? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: from ml, "CLUE was able to easily get CDs to | |
| <Burgundavia> where in canada are you? | |
| <tonyyarusso> give to each Canadian Member of Parliament." you know anything about that? | |
| <IntToStr> Chathem-kent ontario | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: getting harder and harder to get cds | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: ya, they sent a package about FLOSS to every MP | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: That's super cool... | |
| <tonyyarusso> I wonder if I can get that in MN | |
| <tonyyarusso> Or at least find out what was in the package | |
| <Tourudactyl> Oh, speaking of ML, I added a brief thing, badly formatted, to the roadmap about doing the same thing Kyle is doing at SFU, at UVic. | |
| <Burgundavia> I can dig up the email, I am on the clue list | |
| <Burgundavia> Tourudactyl: sounds good | |
| <IntToStr> ok, so should i install the i386 6.06? | |
| <Burgundavia> why don't we do a postering on a weekend, get a bunch of them | |
| <Burgundavia> IntToStr: yep, that will work | |
| <Burgundavia> then upgrade right away, then install your custom stuff | |
| <IntToStr> kk, should i have problems with wifi still? | |
| <Burgundavia> should have none | |
| <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: That would be cool if you have a minute | |
| <Burgundavia> with amd64 you are also going to run into issues with binary plugins and all kinds of fun | |
| <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: email me to remind me | |
| <IntToStr> oh ya, one more thing, what do i have to do to start up a local ubuntu group? with people from my area? i learn best by working out other peoples problems? | |
| <Tourudactyl> Burgundavia: Sounds good also. | |
| <Madpilot> IntToStr, is there an existing Linux User's Group (LUG) in your area? | |
| <Tourudactyl> I might do a free software workshop-type thing on campus next semester also, though the UVic Women's Centre. But I'm not putting it on there, because then I would really have to do it. | |
| <IntToStr> i doubt it, people know NOTHING about computers round here | |
| <Madpilot> IntToStr, where is 'here' for you? | |
| <mneptok> IntToStr: where is "round here?" | |
| <tonyyarusso> ah, geeks are a hidden breed | |
| <IntToStr> Chatham-Kent ontario | |
| <IntToStr> windsor type area | |
| <IntToStr> 45 mins north of windosr, and 1 hour south of london | |
| <tonyyarusso> Tourudactyl: We have a few people interested in campus events, but tentative about the work. Including myself, and, uh, I'd have to check the meeting logs. | |
| <Madpilot> I keep running into all sorts of people who mess around a bit with Linux. Most of them look surprisingly normal. ;) | |
| <Tourudactyl> tonyyarusso: UVic? | |
| <Burgundavia> IntToStr: you are pretty close to Windsor I see | |
| <Burgundavia> there is a very active group just across the border | |
| <tonyyarusso> Tourudactyl: Trent (Ontario) myself, and the other is in New Brunswick iirc | |
| <IntToStr> "Network Autoconfiguration failed" | |
| <Tourudactyl> Aaah. | |
| <IntToStr> ya, no vehicle, so i need somethign very local | |
| <Tourudactyl> Yeah, it is the student way to be tentative about the work. =) | |
| <mneptok> Burgundavia: don't forget us -qc people. :) | |
| <tonyyarusso> Tourudactyl: Just b/c we can't coordinate the event itself doesn't mean we can't share content and such. | |
| <Burgundavia> mneptok: wrong side of ontario | |
| <Tourudactyl> Oh, good idea. | |
| <mneptok> Burgundavia: yeah, "outside" ;) | |
| <Burgundavia> heh | |
| <IntToStr> i also wouldn't mind raising some awareness in my area about the open source movement | |
| <mneptok> IntToStr: my experience is that if you take hostages, you get a lot more exposure and people take you more seriously. *shrug* | |
| <Burgundavia> IntToStr: ignore mneptok, he works for canonical on their late shift | |
| <IntToStr> lol | |
| * Madpilot awards mneptok the "Really Bad Advice of the Day" badge... | |
| <IntToStr> should i "do not configue manually" | |
| <IntToStr> or wait, do not configure at this time? | |
| <Burgundavia> for whcih? | |
| <IntToStr> install i386 6.06 | |
| <mneptok> IntToStr: do you have a wirted network connection? | |
| <mneptok> *wired | |
| <IntToStr> no, wireless, | |
| <mneptok> WEP or WPA? | |
| <IntToStr> wep | |
| <IntToStr> wep is the basic wireless right? i do believe so | |
| <mneptok> then you should be able to use that. IIRC, the Debian installer understands WEP. | |
| <mneptok> WEP is the 128bit, " | |
| <Burgundavia> yep | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Criminy, my memory sucks. I said I'd work on something for the website over break right? Was it other than the intro, which PFA already took care of? | |
| <mneptok> "crack it in three minutes" encryption | |
| <tonyyarusso> mneptok: You are correct, the installer can use it | |
| <IntToStr> "network autoconfiguration failed" | |
| <mneptok> IntToStr: you should be able to get the installer to conenct via WEP | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, just the intro, but if you've got a really cool idea for the site, feel free to share it | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: All right | |
| <mneptok> IntToStr: did you choose the wireless interface? was it presented as a valid option? | |
| <IntToStr> ugh... i have used both Ap's in my house | |
| <IntToStr> ya, it detects my wireless card | |
| <IntToStr> asking for ESSID, wich i believe is my routers Ap right? | |
| <mneptok> the WAP's name | |
| <mneptok> (which 60% of the time is "Linksys") ;) | |
| <IntToStr> i have put in both..... never works | |
| <IntToStr> i have "GIBSON" | |
| <IntToStr> and "Sly070285" | |
| <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep | |
| <IntToStr> night. | |
| <IntToStr> should i "do not configure the network at this time"? | |
| <Burgundavia> don't need it for install | |
| <wall86> ok, how come i am still logged in with my main irc nick? | |
| <wall86> (IntToStr) | |
| <tonyyarusso> wall86: If you didn't quit properly it takes a while to time out. /msg nickserv ghost IntToStr yourpassword will kill it | |
| <tonyyarusso> (type that in your server window to avoid putting it in the channel with the password by mistake) | |
| <wall86> ...... im also quite ne to irc, and im using the built in irc in opera...... | |
| <wall86> new** | |
| <PFA> aaaaagggghhh | |
| <PFA> forget that | |
| <PFA> use X-Chat | |
| <wall86> im also on a windows xp pieace of shat laptop right now.... | |
| <PFA> silverex ;) | |
| <mneptok> jIRCii | |
| <wall86> i have been trying to install ubuntu to it, but i have the whole problem of not having cd-rom or floppy drives | |
| <wall86> i tried the whole boot from windows, but the how to guide is wrong, and when i whent to the herberts page, it still would not work | |
| <mneptok> wall86: you're trying to install Ubuntu on a machine with no CD? | |
| <wall86> no, my desktop does | |
| <wall86> but my laptop, doesn't so i am stuckj using an extremely messed up xp install | |
| <tonyyarusso> No drives at all? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Weird... | |
| <tonyyarusso> friend with a USB CD drive? | |
| <wall86> it is a dell latitude c400 | |
| <wall86> \i have a usb dvd burner, but it is old and can not boot to a usb device | |
| <tonyyarusso> Um, take the hard drive out, stick it in a newer machine, and move it back? :P | |
| <wall86> lol, but then i have the funnes of configuring the install... something that i am having problems with just installing now. | |
| <wall86> and i currently lacking the fundage to buy the modular bay cable and a stock cd-rom drive | |
| <wall86> i have it booting to the grub loader already, it just will not boot to the kernal i have right now (laptop) | |
| <tonyyarusso> hmm | |
| <wall86> (using the how to guide on ubuntu website) | |
| <tonyyarusso> No idea | |
| <wall86> whenever i boot to "ubuntu install" it just restarts | |
| <wall86> something i think i am going to look more closely into when i get my desktop running ubuntu with wireless working | |
| <wall86> oh ya, ubuntu does work fine on dual core right? the 6.06? | |
| <tonyyarusso> should | |
| <tonyyarusso> Don't remember whether you need a different kernel on Dapper, certainly works on edgy | |
| <wall86> yay, 97% installed *crosses fingers* lets hope this whent well..... | |
| <wall86> ok, even if i only have 1 core operating till i can get wireless going, and install edgy | |
| <Madpilot> night all | |
| <wall86> don't think it worked right | |
| <wall86> "waiting for root file system" | |
| <wall86> time to re-install and re-partition manually | |
| <sushi_> Anyone know if there is an Ubuntu California channel? | |
| <tonyyarusso> sushi_: No idea - I think there's at least an Ubuntu Western US one | |
| <sushi_> hmm..maybe a /list would help =) | |
| <tonyyarusso> blah, I'm too slow | |
| * tonyyarusso /msgs | |
| <PFA> does anyone know how long the hebrew alphabet is | |
| *** PFA is now known as PFAway | |
| *** PFAway is now known as PFA | |
| <wall86> Wifi works with 6.1 i386 | |
| <lophylap> hey all | |
| <Heterocephalus> hello | |
| <lophylap> Burgwork: ping | |
| <Burgwork> lophylap: pong | |
| <lophylap> Burgwork: busy? | |
| <Burgwork> sort of | |
| <lophylap> alright, it can wait | |
| <Burgwork> why don't you tell what you need and I can tell you if I have time for it | |
| <lophylap> just wanted your opinion about an issue with the toronto team | |
| <Burgwork> I have time for that | |
| <lophylap> mind if I PM you then/ | |
| <Burgwork> sure | |
| <sinisterguy> hey, i've been having a problem with totem-xine. I just installed totem-xine and xinelin-extracodecs but when i try to play videos, i only get sound, but no video | |
| * MagicFab is away: ...busy... | |
| * MagicFab is away: on the phone | |
| <johanbr> sinisterguy: Which type of videos are you trying to play? | |
| <sinisterguy> i haven't tried anything but quicktime movies | |
| <sinisterguy> so far | |
| <johanbr> I think quicktime is basically a container format and can contain all sorts of things. Do you have a link to one? | |
| <sinisterguy> johanbr: its in h.264 format | |
| <sinisterguy> its the latest dl.tv episode | |
| <johanbr> I have no idea what dl.tv is. | |
| <sinisterguy> http://dl.tv | |
| <johanbr> sinisterguy: Alright. Works for me. Do you have the ffmpeg package installed? | |
| <sinisterguy> johanbr: i'm not sure, but i'm trying the whole automatix thing atm to see if that helps | |
| <sinisterguy> like if i missed a couple of optional dependancies or something | |
| <johanbr> Automatix can wreck your system badly if you're not careful. | |
| <sinisterguy> johanbr: meh, if it does, i'll re-install | |
| <sinisterguy> johanbr: and define 'not careful' and 'wreck' | |
| <johanbr> Well, maybe I should've said "unlucky" rather than "not careful". And by "wreck" I mean "royally screw up the state of your packages, to the point of having to reinstall". | |
| <La_PaRCa> I feel more disenamored with RMS with every passing day. | |
| <johanbr> I can't say I've ever felt much of a tingle when his name is brought up. | |
| <johanbr> He's done a lot for free software, but like someone said on ubuntu-users lately, I think Linus Torvalds is a much better person for bringing Linux to the masses. |
