<cellofellow> I live to far away from the neighbors for them to take my wi-fi or the other way around.

<vidd> finally got my 17 packages

<silvertip257> k

<silvertip257> :)

<vidd> gatta go

<silvertip257> aww

<pepik> anybody here have CompTIA or LPI qualifications?

<silvertip257> nope not yet

<silvertip257> workin on the schooling/reading for that stuff

<silvertip257> but yea i'll be of no help at this point

<pepik> no i was just considering taking one or the other.

<silvertip257> ahh

<silvertip257> couldnt tell ya

<silvertip257> :P

* cellofellow has XGL running now. No beryl yet.

<pepik> i like the cube

<cellofellow> no cube yet, that's beryl

<silvertip257> ahhh

<crimsun_> I use aiglx with i810 and compiz.

<pepik> i got it with compiz. but that was SuSE

<pepik> so xgl and beryl can work on xubuntu?

<Commander-Crowe> you can use 2 at the same time?

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: Beryl and Compiz run on top of XGL or AIGLX.

<PuMpErNiCkEl> Beryl is just the compositing manager - XGL is an OpenGL enabled Xserver.

<Commander-Crowe> oh

<Commander-Crowe> I have compiz here in FC

<silvertip257> anybody use automatix bleeder?

<silvertip257> i cant get it to install via apt-ge

<silvertip257> *get

<maxamillion> bleh ... looooong day at work

<silvertip257> hey max

<silvertip257> i need to talk 2 u

<maxamillion> uhmm... ok, shoot

<Commander-Crowe> what I need to do is write an X-chat script that'll automaticlly jion certian channels for me

<JKnife> that is built into IRSSI :)

<maxamillion> hrmmm... strange wifi activity

* cellofellow is downloading beryl now

<maxamillion> w00t

<maxamillion> wb TheSheep

<maxamillion> silvertip257: sorry bout that, my wifi fragged for a moment

<silvertip257> oo

<silvertip257> anybody know what to do when your monitor is fuzzy/blurry? Display settings only lists 800x600 besides default

<cellofellow> what's the best way to start beryl? killall xfwm4 && beryl-manager ?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah

<cellofellow> :)

<maxamillion> silvertip257: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should allow you to rewrite the xorg.conf file with the dpkg program and you can specify the desired resolution

<cellofellow> it says XGL absent, checking for nvidia, but the composite extension is off, and XGL is on, so I get nothing.

<cellofellow> now X froze, at least ctrl+alt+backspace worked.

<cellofellow> what do I do?

<maxamillion> hrmmmm... not sure, beryl worked when i followed the wiki tutorial

* maxamillion doesn't really like beryl

<cellofellow> compiz better?

<maxamillion> i just thought it was cool to show off at the office

<maxamillion> no, i like xfwm4

<cellofellow> oh, I see.

<cellofellow> Does it get annoying?

<maxamillion> yeah, a little

<maxamillion> the only feature i like is being able to throw the mouse into the top right corner and view a mini view of every window opened and allows me to click on the one i want to see .... other than that, its just annoying eye candy

<TheSheep> maxamillion: see skippy?

<maxamillion> TheSheep: skippy?

<silvertip257> ok maxamillion

<TheSheep> !skippy

<ubotu> skippy: full-screen X11 task/window switcher, similar to OSX Expose. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1rc1-5 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 148 kB

<maxamillion> interesting

<flasher222> how can i convert a MIDI file to MP3?

<maxamillion> i'm on my iBook right now, so i am installing it because it might be interesting ... or atleast it will feel at home :)

<maxamillion> flasher222: not the slightest

<cellofellow> that went bad. I'm uninstalling xgl now. My computer just cried trying to run it.

<cellofellow> how do I remove the pgp jey for a repo?

<cellofellow> s/jey/key

<maxamillion> :/ not sure

<cellofellow> oh, well, doesn't bug me that it's in there now.

<cellofellow> well it's time for me to go. Have a nice evening. (well, it's evening here :)_)

<ellioTb> woohoo! i love coming here w/random ip's

<ellioTb> bbl

<maxamillion> uhmm... ok

<JKnife> ellioTb: when you get back join -offtopic

<maxamillion> bbl myself

<pepik> !wireless

<ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs

<DarthLappy> Ack... I can't jigdo xubuntu :(

<JKnife> you COULD but you would have to make the jigdo files XD

<DarthLappy> Oh fine. It's kernel and language stuff I think...

<DarthLappy> What needs changing to make it work?

<JKnife> to make what work?

<DarthLappy> The jigdo work...

<pepik> i'm having a hard time with a wireless usb... the usb seems to be detected but not as a wireless device. any ideas?

<Commander-Crowe> hello somerville32

<silvertip257> how do I add a resolution to the Display Prefs in Xubuntu Dapper ???

<TheSheep> silvertip257: it already lists all the available ones, based on your graphic card and monitor

<Commander-Crowe> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

<silvertip257> TheSheep it does not list 1024x768 and the monitor was capable of that (it had that in windows)

<somerville32> Hi Commander-Crowe :)

<somerville32> POLL: Do you think having a xubuntu-users mailing list would be a good idea?

<silvertip257> TheSheep did you read what I had sent ?

<TheSheep> silvertip257: then run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

<silvertip257> ok ty

<TheSheep> silvertip257: and tell it the right sync ranges of yuor monitor

<silvertip257> sync ranges?

<silvertip257> not resolution?

<TheSheep> horizontal and vertical synchronization frequencies

<silvertip257> hmm how do i know the right ones?

* somerville32 pokes people to answer the poll :P

<TheSheep> silvertip257: from your monitor's user guide maybe?

<Commander-Crowe> no

<silvertip257> great idea ... i dont have it

<Commander-Crowe> We want to keep experienced users in it

<somerville32> Commander-Crowe, hmm?

<TheSheep> silvertip257: what graphics card do you have?

<Commander-Crowe> or did you mean have user mail therer problems to us?

<silvertip257> an embedded one on the mobo

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: have a Xubuntu-*USERS* mailing list, so they can talk about Xubuntu and what is cool about it when they can not get onto IRC

<somerville32> They can also ask for help on the ml too :)

<JKnife> nope

<JKnife> :)

<Commander-Crowe> its fine with me

<TheSheep> silvertip257: type: lspci | grep VGA

<somerville32> Would you guys subscribe?

<Commander-Crowe> yes

<TheSheep> yes

<JKnife> somerville32: only if i can post my /dev/urandom on it

<TheSheep> JKnife: sure, but whole in one part, and summarize it at the end

<JKnife> ok..

<Commander-Crowe> urandom=?

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: do 'cat /dev/urandom'

<HeathenDan> ohh, sounds like a nice mailing list

<somerville32> :)

<JKnife> hiya DannyBoy

<HeathenDan> where do i sign up?

<HeathenDan> hi JKnife

<JKnife> not up yet

<HeathenDan> erm, im not dannyboy in this network

<JKnife> haha..

<Commander-Crowe> oh crap

<JKnife> i know.. but you still anwsered

<somerville32> HeathenDan, We haven't set it up yet :]

<HeathenDan> maybe you can announce it in the xubuntu site, when it's up

<somerville32> HeathenDan, I sure will :)

<silvertip257> now what TheSheep ( I restarted it to try Xorg changed settings)

<Commander-Crowe> well

<Commander-Crowe> I'm gonna go

<Commander-Crowe> bye all

<silvertip257> later

<Commander-Crowe> I'll be back in like 4 hours

* Commander-Crowe is away: Commander-Crowe

<HeathenDan> gotta go too... visiting the in-laws ~_~

<HeathenDan> ttfn

<nonick> I am trying to uninstall gnome cleanly?

<nonick> hello?

<TheSheep> hi nonick

<nonick> how may uninstlal gnome cleanly?

<nonick> I wanna have xubunt

<TheSheep> which part of gnome?

<nonick> everything

<nonick> I just wanna start xubuntu alone

<TheSheep> hmm... you might uninstall some corelibrary on which all the gnome apps depend

<nonick> so there's no way?

<nonick> ok I have xubuntu already

<TheSheep> sudo apt-get remove libgnome2

<TheSheep> for example

<TheSheep> this should also remove all apps that use that library

<nonick> how about the desktop manager?

<TheSheep> Nautilus uses that for sure, so it will also be removed

<nonick> mm...

<nonick> ok one sec

<lj> hell

<lj> o

<somerville32> hI! :D

<lj> somebody knows about desklets on xubuntu

<nonick> hi again

<nonick> sorry i tried libgnome2 didn't work and gnome-desktop either

<JKnife> nonick: edgy or dapper?

<somerville32> lj: Hmmm... I've never tried desklets

<nonick> 6.10

<JKnife> lj: well you have gdesklets

<nonick> edgy?

<lj> ok

<JKnife> yeah that is edgy

<JKnife> i THINK edgy had apt-get autoremove

<lj> not.....im just finding someone for xfce

<nonick> wait a minute... so there isn't a way to get rid off gnome-desktop in straight up way?

<JKnife> nonick: remove ubuntu-desktop

<JKnife> then run apt-get autoremove

<lj> the only that i known is gdesklets...so is for gnome

<nonick> JKnife: ok

<JKnife> lj: well if you do not want that.. there is 'apt-cache search'

<lj> i was installed gdesklets so it doesnt work on xubuntu

<nonick> JKnife: ok thanks it's doing it

<nonick> by the way does Xubuntu have a magnifier?

<nonick> I need for this person with eye issues

<nonick> Gnome configuration files still there

<JKnife> nonick: ok you now you need to install envice-gtk it will replace envice, and this other program.. one sec i will get the name

<JKnife> install xubuntu-system-tools to replace gnome-system-tools

<JKnife> and gcalctool-gtk to replace gcalctool and gnumeric-gtk to replace gnumeric

<JKnife> and i think that is it

<JKnife> so 'sudo apt-get install envice-gtk xubuntu-system-tools gcalctool-gtk gnumeric-gtk' should do it

<nonick> is it evince or envice?

<JKnife> evince

<JKnife> sorry

<JKnife> lj: gdesklets will work in Xubuntu

<nonick> wait

<JKnife> ?

<nonick> for the Magnifier

<echosystm> sunburn.... for the lose

<echosystm> :(

<JKnife> echosystm: #xubuntu-offtopic

<JKnife> nonick: i will search for you one while you do that

<nonick> ok is removing gnome tools

<nonick> JKnife: sorry I thought Xubuntu-desktop would provide all this bundled

<JKnife> well it does.

<somerville32> : )

<nonick> ARRRGGGHHH!!!!

* nonick is in a rabid rage

<nonick> i still the damn Gnoem apps there

<TheSheep> nonick: like what?

<nonick> damn at #xfce tell me it doesn't ship with a magnifier :-(

<nonick> ok xmag

<TheSheep> nonick: the xfce alone not, but there might be a standalone application for that

<nonick> I hate this!!!!!!!! how do I know which one is the configuratin app for xfce!!!

*** JKnife_ is now known as JKnife

<TheSheep> nonick: you mean xfce-setting-show ?

<nonick> how can I configure a program ot use k3b as default?

<TheSheep> nonick: which program?

<nonick> k3b when a blank disc is inserte

<nonick> gnome did with Serpentine

<TheSheep> well, gnome had a program that ran in the background and monitored your disks and ran applications when you inserted/connected them

<TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't have it, as it's an additional memory and cpu use...

<nonick> you see that @#$%@ comes up again, and again and confuses the guy

<JKnife> are you sure Xubuntu is best for him?

<TheSheep> you can configure the applications used in the gnome settings

<TheSheep> JKnife: I'm pretty sure it's not

<JKnife> it sounds like he needs to stay with Ubuntu

<nonick> and Serpentine doesn't have a preference to disable it!!!

<TheSheep> nonick: you might ask on #ubuntu for exact details, but I'm pretty sure that it's somewhere in gnome's system settings

<nonick> TheSheep: I just got rid of that $%@#$ as you told me so it isn't there, but is still appears

<nonick> help

<nonick> I wanna disable Serpentine

<nonick> can I uninstall serpentine?

<JKnife> yeah

<nonick> xubuntu-at-mag

<nonick> xfce magnifier!!!

<nonick> :-)

<JKnife> well not really

<JKnife> "Depends: at-spi, gnome-orca, gnome-mag"

<JKnife> it installs what is needed to run gnome-mag

<nonick> ahh... ok I am comming back, gotta reboot

<Jester45> is there a way to check what ram slots have what amount of ram in it?

<magic_ninja> i'm thinking of using xubuntu for a gaming machine with old (but not that old) system specs. Whats a good method to boot for net install seeing as burning a cd is not an option

<Jester45> !netinstall

<ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues

<Jester45> try first link

<magic_ninja> Jester45: ive read the netinstall section of it. what i'm really wanting is the preferred method of booting in someone's opionion they have tried and tested

<Jester45> idk i like cd install

<magic_ninja> Jester45: so do it...but i'm working with limited means. My computer supports cdrom drive but i only have the LIVE cd and can't get another cd without burning one, but my burner is on the comp with no OS

<magic_ninja> Jester45: i figured a good network install would be a great way for me to build my system from the ground up as well

<magic_ninja> sorta a learning experience without trying lfs or gentoo

<Jester45> lfs FTW

<magic_ninja> FTW?

<ellioTb> for the win!

<magic_ninja> oh

<magic_ninja> not noob just havn't had the net for a while

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> what speed did you get

<ellioTb> so magic, you just have the live CD, and you wanna do a net install?

<Jester45> he has no cd

<ellioTb> ohhh

<Jester45> i think

<ellioTb> don't you still have to have a cd to do a net install?

<ellioTb> how about a usb install

<Jester45> well

<Jester45> some kind of median

<ellioTb> medium?

<magic_ninja> ellioTb: i have never done a net install and this comp still has hoary on it, plus i want to keep the machine kinda lean

<Jester45> you have xubuntu on it?

<magic_ninja> but all the info i find for a net install is via LAN

<Jester45> just upgrade

<magic_ninja> Jester45: i put the OS on this comp like 1.5 years ago and havn't updated it since

<Jester45> well...

<Jester45> upgrade it now

<magic_ninja> Jester45: the OS is clogged and unclean and i just want a fresh install really

<Jester45> o

<magic_ninja> Jester45: it was kinda my first real shot at using linux and linux only

<Jester45> got any external storage?

<magic_ninja> tons of diff software and stuff i don't need, easier to do a fresh install, less work

<magic_ninja> i got access to a 4 gig ipod, but its not mine

<magic_ninja> i got floppies

<Jester45> just apt-get remove

<Jester45> ellioTb you can use floopies right

<magic_ninja> i remember reading about a boot floppy that would let you do a command line install and use ubuntu repos

<Jester45> have at it

<ellioTb> Jester45, for net install? maybe, i'll look in a sec

<ellioTb> brb, phone (the gf)

<Jester45> k

<Jester45> im going to

<Jester45> wait

<Jester45> do you know how to look at how much each ram slot has

<Jester45> like slot1: 512mb slot2:128mb etc

<magic_ninja> see i don't have much room in my house so i had my comp put up, but i got this laptop and a couple subs for 50 bucks...ubuntu runs great up but i wanna setup a wireless home network with my main PC as the machine and the laptop for my roommates to surf the net/music/etc and mine for games with an external 80gb hdd for the laptop's goodies

<magic_ninja> its a good plan, but i dont have $$$ lol

<Jester45> external 80gb ant that much

<magic_ninja> its affordable for me and thats all the extra storage my two teenage girl roomates will need for their purpose

<magic_ninja> plus its big enough to transport any files I may happen to need

<magic_ninja> well ellioTb i must go to bed, have to work in the morning, hopefully i can catch you tomarrow

<drcode> hi all

<drcode> any idea how to open 7z in gui?

<Jester45> Hello

<Jester45> i remeber you

<Jester45> umm

<Jester45> why not use cli

<drcode> cli ?

<Jester45> terminal

<Jester45> text only

<ellioTb> DOH

<ellioTb> 7zip stuff?

<drcode> I am looking for gui?

<drcode> yes

<drcode> I install xarchive

<ellioTb> archiver doesn't do it?

<drcode> but it look for 7za

<ellioTb> !7zip

<ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde) - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression

<drcode> I also install p7zip

<drcode> but there is no 7za

<Jester45> you need to install p7zip-full

<drcode> k

<drcode> k

<drcode> thanx

<drcode> I will install iet

<Jester45> :)

<drcode> it

<drcode> thanx

<ellioTb> !p7zip-full

<ubotu> p7zip-full: 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.42.dfsg.1-2 (edgy), package size 1310 kB, installed size 3456 kB

<ellioTb> when in doubt, apt-cache search

<drcode> k

<drcode> thanx

<Jester45> yepers

<drcode> I will check it out

<ellioTb> greeaaatttt

<ellioTb> man, conky flickers when i turn compositor on

<ellioTb> weak

<kcinon> hi

<kcinon> the magnifier aint working

<kcinon> I don't even find the icon, and in command line doesn't do stuff

<kcinon> magnify

<JKnife> ellioTb: ping? we sooo need to have a tea party...

<JKnife> bbl

<JKnife> back

<JKnife> what icon theme do yall use? i need a new one.. Tango and Vista-Inspirate are getting old =\

* Commander|away is back (gone 01:07:08)

*** Commander|away is now known as Commander-Crowe

<Commander-Crowe> hey all

<Commander-Crowe> I'm back

<Nuked> welcome back

* JKnife sends Commander-Crowe away again

* Nuked has almost officially given up on ubuntu for compilation purposes

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> wow

<Commander-Crowe> VMplayer runs nice in linux

<Commander-Crowe> back

<Commander-Crowe> how do you guys pronounce Xfce?

<gripir> x

<gripir> f

<gripir> c

<gripir> e

<Commander-Crowe> my friend says eX face

<gripir> sounds cool

<Commander-Crowe> it does

<maxamillion> hello all

<gripir> moi

<Commander-Crowe> hey maxamillion

<maxamillion> hi hi

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: how are you?

<Commander-Crowe> good

* JKnife sets mode +b *!*@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net

* JKnife kicks maxamillion

<Commander-Crowe> what the ...

<JKnife> :)

<JKnife> i am having a dream about me KB maxamillion

<maxamillion> ?

<JKnife> kickbanning...

<maxamillion> yeah, don't think you will _ever_ have those privilages

<JKnife> :(

<JKnife> i could get them.. i mean heck you did XD

<Commander-Crowe> can someone go to easyvmx.com for me

<Commander-Crowe> is it up?

<maxamillion> simply because you _want_ to kickban me is reason enough for me to argue that you don't recieve those priv's

<JKnife> haha

<maxamillion> JKnife: ops can't ban ops ... i think only cody can ban ops (maybe a couple devs can too)

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: no, doesn't appear to be up

<JKnife> maxamillion: hence the "dream" part -_-

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: yeah.. not connecting here either

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<Commander-Crowe> I needed that site badly

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: i sorry

* maxamillion notes that the lol was directed @ JKnife, not trying to be a jerk about the need for that website

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: try going to google.com and see if they have a cached version

<Commander-Crowe> I don't :(

<unikon> chain_of_letterz

<Commander-Crowe> how do I change the a file so that everyone can see/use it?

<Commander-Crowe> oh I got it

<Commander-Crowe> :)

<Commander-Crowe> chmod

<maxamillion> chmod 777 foo.bar to give everyone all privilages on the file

<l0llerc0pter> hi lost :)

<Lost> Howdy.

<Lost> =p

<Commander-Crowe> hi

<maxamillion> Lost == nick?

<Lost> Unregistered, but yeah.

<maxamillion> Lost: i don't think you understand, is your name Nick? as in "short for Nicholus"

<Lost> Ah. In that case, no.

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> found an old vmx file

<maxamillion> ok, i just know a guy who goes by that handle for gaming ... woulda been proud he made his way into #xubuntu

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: w0rd

<Lost> I can pretend I'm him and humor you for awhile. :D

<JKnife> hehe

<maxamillion> w00t python can perform floating point operations with integers without type casting!!!

<maxamillion> Lost: lol, no ... its ok... i appreciate it though :P

<unikon> l0llerc0pter why not reg that nic

<speedyg_> hey guys, i´ve got a little problem... my harddisk seems to cause some problems when its being used with DMA, is there a way to disable DMA ?

<speedyg_> (besides disable it in the bios, because my bios doesnt have that option :( )

<JKnife> hdparm?

<JKnife> i think it can disable dma

<speedyg_> hmz, why didnt I think of that :)

<JKnife> hdparm -d

<maxamillion> !hdparm

<ubotu> hdparm: tune hard disk parameters for high performance. In component main, is standard. Version 6.6-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 57 kB, installed size 228 kB

<maxamillion> interesting

<JKnife> didn't know about it?

<maxamillion> oh, so i found an edgy bug for powerpc ... every time fsck is forced on boot, it won't boot after fsck runs, just sits there

<maxamillion> JKnife: nope :/

<speedyg_> hmz, doesnt seem to help :/

<speedyg_> lemme explain the main issue, I guess its a dying hdd, but not sure..

<JKnife> it is 'hdparm -d0 /dev/<drive>' not just hdparm -d

<speedyg_> when I start firefox, and go to certain websites (some do this, some dont) it just starts hanging

<JKnife> well those porn sites will do it XD

<maxamillion> -.-;

<speedyg_> and in syslog theres these lines:

<speedyg_> hda: task_in_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }

<speedyg_> Dec 16 07:57:36 lapows kernel: [17180214.260000] hda: task_in_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=5933079, high=0, low=5933079, sector=5933079

<speedyg_> Dec 16 07:57:36 lapows kernel: [17180214.260000] ide: failed opcode was: unknown

<JKnife> but really it may just be the site.. what are your system specs?

<speedyg_> its sites like www.tvgids.nl

<speedyg_> no pron involved unfortunately :(

<JKnife> hehe

<JKnife> when was the last time you rans a FULL fsck on your hard drive?

<speedyg_> it also has problems loading stuff from google-analytics

<speedyg_> good question :)

<maxamillion> or an IBM dft off of the ubcd

<maxamillion> that would check it

<JKnife> sounds like just some bad clusters or something..

<speedyg_> hmz, what was the command to check on reboot again?

<JKnife> just boot up with a live cd.. and run fsck

<speedyg_> dont have any nearby :(

<maxamillion> interesting .. python doesn't have a character literal ... it has "strings of length 1"

<JKnife> maxamillion: -offtopic

<JKnife> or -devel depends on what you are doing

<maxamillion> .... fair enough

<speedyg_> and due to this issue I cant google for the reboot options :(

* maxamillion keeps his comments to himself

<maxamillion> speedyg_: try installing a different browser?

<speedyg_> maxamillion, tried it, no luck.. opera doesnt even start :/

<maxamillion> speedyg_: sudo aptitude install dillo

<JKnife> speedyg_: add " 1" to the end of the kernel line at the grub boot screen

<maxamillion> speedyg_: dillo is _very_ basic and rather small, it will hopefully function

<JKnife> that will get you to the repair screen

<JKnife> kazehakase and skipstone work just fine for me :)

<maxamillion> !skipstone

<DarthLappy> The Jigdo download of Xubuntu is rather broken due to updated packages on the mirrors. Is it possible to fix this? I'd rather download from my ISP, but they don't mirror the ISO.

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skipstone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> DarthLappy: sorry.. i always had problems with jigdo

<JKnife> DarthLappy: what you can do it drive around town looking for open wireless networks and download it using there bandwidth

<DarthLappy> Lol!

<DarthLappy> I guess I could rsync it... But I'd have to get a Windows util.

<Commander-Crowe> whats the OEM install for on the Alt. disk?

<JKnife> if they say no call them "Windows loving commies"

* maxamillion is on wifi right now with his xubuntu powered iBookG4 :)

<DarthLappy> Kubuntu decided that it didn't like my WiFi anymore. :P And I've always liked XFCE more.

<JKnife> well...

<JKnife> they are the same base so depending on the problem it might carry over into Xubuntu

<DarthLappy> Maybe, but I think it might be a one-time thing, as Windows didn't like it for a little while either.

<JKnife> kleeboontoo FTW!

<Commander-Crowe> anyone?

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: OEM install?

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: 1) i didn't know we had a OEM install, 2) i use the desktop cd

* Lost looks around nervously and points at the person closest to him. "He knows."

<Commander-Crowe> yeah

* JKnife holds up a mirror to Lost

<Commander-Crowe> its on the alternative cd

<maxamillion> lol

<Lost> Cheater. :|

<JKnife> :)

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: didn't know that

<JKnife> !OEM

<ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues

<JKnife> i wonder...

<JKnife> ¡OEM

<JKnife> :(

<ellioTb> JKnife, pong

<DarthLappy> O_o?

<JKnife> ellioTb: we need to have a tea party :)

<ellioTb> lol, what is that

<JKnife> (in counter strike source)

<ellioTb> ahh, i am in another state than my gaming comp

<ellioTb> i got enemy territory on here

<JKnife> :(

<JKnife> pfft

<maxamillion> ellioTb: where you at and why?

<ellioTb> see my crazy host

<ellioTb> /whois elliotb

<SpeedyG> hmz, couldnt get the repair-console to work :(

<Commander-Crowe> hey lets move this chit chat to the other channel

<ellioTb> like #elliotsroom? lol

<JKnife> SpeedyG: umm you tried running fsck?

<maxamillion> ellioTb: did you transfer?

<Commander-Crowe> dang

<Commander-Crowe> I gotta go again

<Commander-Crowe> bbl

<JKnife> yay

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: laters

<Commander-Crowe> hey SpeedyG

<SpeedyG> hey CC

<ellioTb> maxamillion, no lol, my sister is graduating on sunday

<SpeedyG> JKnife: cant do that on a mounted fs

<JKnife> -f i think

<ellioTb> so i semi-suprised her by coming up here

* Commander-Crowe is away: Commander-Crowe

<maxamillion> JKnife: ah, well congrats to her

<maxamillion> blah!

<maxamillion> ellioTb: ^^^^

<ellioTb> lol, she is 2 years younger too

<ellioTb> the one-up sibling

<maxamillion> ellioTb: lol

<maxamillion> ellioTb: how old is she?

<ellioTb> 21

<JKnife> is she hot?

<SpeedyG> JKnife: yeah, thats force.. but as far as I know, on a b0rked FS, its not wise to do that if its your root-fs

<maxamillion> well .. yeah, ok ... i should graduate while i'm 21

<ellioTb> JKnife, creeeeoy

<JKnife> SpeedyG: hence the LiveCD =\ sorry i can not help your further

<maxamillion> JKnife: asking a guy if his sister is hot is like asking him if his mom is hot ... you just don't do it

<ellioTb> i'll graduate when i am 25 or 26

<JKnife> maxamillion: but i need a girl :(

<ellioTb> but its ok to ask if my dad is hot

<maxamillion> SpeedyG: yeah, honestly .. i think the only dependable way to check it is with a live cd

<maxamillion> lol

<ellioTb> JKnife, she has a bf, and she doesn't date ppl who listen to creed

<JKnife> creed? i dont

<ellioTb> lol, just messin with ya

<JKnife> crazy person...

<ellioTb> my mom just finally rolled into town

<ellioTb> lost cause she is KRRUUNNNKKK

<ellioTb> who lets a drunk lady rent a car and gives them the keys

<JKnife> hahaha

<JKnife> ellioTb: soo.. is your dad hot?

<ellioTb> JKnife, hell yeah

<JKnife> haha

<ellioTb> JKnife, if you get lonely, give yourself a stranger

<JKnife> hehe

<maxamillion> ewwww

<maxamillion> atleast move this to -offtopic, that would be a good way to scare off new users

<JKnife> or long time users

<ellioTb> elliotsroom is better

<JKnife> =\ i like my room

<ellioTb> maxamillion, i got us a wiki tcl script for my eggdrop we just need to modify

<maxamillion> ellioTb: rock on

<ellioTb> i just didn't feel like programming when i saw it

* JKnife head bangs to ellioTb by Xubuntu

<ellioTb> lol what

<maxamillion> lol

<JKnife> "02:22 <maxamillion> ellioTb: rock on" "02:22 * JKnife head bangs to ellioTb by Xubuntu"

<ellioTb> ahh, nice

<ellioTb> i found a good google script, the wiki one actually was crap

<ellioTb> figure we could just mod it a lil

<ellioTb> looks pretty straight forward, just worry about flood to the channel

<ellioTb> like maybe a PM response would be optimal

<JKnife> ellioTb: send it as a message

<ellioTb> JKnife, too late

<JKnife> or notice.. notices are popular for bots

<ellioTb> your mom is popular

<JKnife> so.. is your sister hot? any pics of her?

<SpeedyG> oh JKnife, the option I was looking for was 'shutdown -r -F -t now' :) that forces a fsck after reboot

<JKnife> SpeedyG: ahh ok

<SpeedyG> but doesnt solve the issue unfortunately :(

<JKnife> =\

<ellioTBot> JKnife: There are no results found for hot sister. Please check the wiki at http://www.go.f.ur.self.org/wiki

<SpeedyG> so I guess its dying hardware thats causing this, and there's not much i can do about it

<JKnife> ellioTb: haha

<ellioTb> wow, i have been up since 4am, just now got to lay down

<JKnife> SpeedyG: =\ sorry, that does kinnda suck

* JKnife jumps on ellioTb's bed

<JKnife> TEAPARTY!

<SpeedyG> yep, mostly because its an old laptop and I dont wanna replace it :(

<ellioTb> SpeedyG, i always just run fsck from a live cd, but seems like its a lil slower than when i did it on a boot

<ellioTb> SpeedyG, the -r scan that is

<ellioTb> and this is an old laptop, with some faulty blocks on the HD

<ellioTb> but new laptops are so cheap now, buying a new hd seems almost pointless

<SpeedyG> yeah

<SpeedyG> my point exactly

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 58.6% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 66.60% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<SpeedyG> but I dont wanna buy a new laptop :(

<ellioTb> yeah, i am broke

<SpeedyG> i'm not.. but thats not the issue

<ellioTb> this one is a hand-me-down from the one-up sister, and its not too bad

<DarthLappy> That's a mean underclock there :)

<SpeedyG> I bought far too many pc-parts in the past few months

<SpeedyG> spent some 1500 euros on it I suppose :/

<ellioTb> DarthLappy, yeah, i just now saw that its at 1.20ghz

<ellioTb> wth is that about

<maxamillion> brb, dog needs to go out

<ellioTb> i think i always saw that, and read it as 2 x 1.2 = 2.2

<ellioTb> good math

<ellioTb> why is it underclocked ?!!?

<SpeedyG> this is a celeron 2ghz with 256MB shared ddr

<SpeedyG> and a 20gb hdd

<ellioTb> is linux underclocking it?

<ellioTb> can't you control cpu freq, or is my bios really that off

<JKnife> you CAn control the cpu freq

<JKnife> it think there is a startup script for it

<DarthLappy> Laptop + underclock = Less heat/speed/etc :P

<JKnife> eeeeewwwwwwwwww ATI

<ellioTb> yeah, hand me down

<ellioTb> happy it has anything

<JKnife> +longer bat life

<ellioTb> direct rendering w/default though

<ellioTb> lemme go check bios first, brb

<JKnife> =\ you can run CS:S on that

<ellioTb> i bet it will run a LOT better with the cpu not being halved

<ellioTb> brb

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> "1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz" "i think i always saw that, and read it as 2 x 1.2 = 2.2" where in the world did the first 2 come from?

<maxamillion> i have an ati ... but its an iBook so that's different

<JKnife> hehe

* JKnife pets his nVidia

<JKnife> i think i am gonna switch to gnome..

* maxamillion slaps JKnife

<JKnife> :(

<maxamillion> i have nvidia in my desktops ... but when i bought this iBooki thought i was going to "multiplatform" an keep OS X on it

<maxamillion> JKnife: why would you switch to gnome?

* maxamillion thought about using gnome at work because nautilus can handle windows shares pretty well

<JKnife> switch to ubuntu? umm GL desktop with out having to set it up myself :)

<maxamillion> JKnife: feisty i assume?

<JKnife> yeah

<ellioTb> grrrr

<ellioTb> still @ 1.2ghz

<ellioTb> bios is 2.2

<maxamillion> my G4 is @ 1Ghz and i bet its faster :)

<ellioTb> high five

<ellioTb> but where is this script that is underclocking this cpu

<ellioTb> it has always said 1.2, but never paid any attention to it till now

<maxamillion> :P

<DarthLappy> O_o is it just me or is rsync like... Downloading the whole ISO?

<ellioTb> really wanna see how this baby will run that fast

<DarthLappy> Or is it checking through it?

* maxamillion is just bitter at the p4 line

<ellioTb> errr with the cpu another 1k mhz

<ellioTb> maxamillion, you hate everything

<maxamillion> DarthLappy: rsync can download entire isos

<maxamillion> ellioTb: no, i hate _alot_ of things

<ellioTb> lol

<maxamillion> :)

<ellioTb> maxamillion, u know how to change cpu freq?

<ellioTb> !cpu

<ellioTb> lol

<ubotu> cpu: a console based LDAP user management tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-8 (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 432 kB

<DarthLappy> maxamillion: Yes, but I want it to get everything in this ISO that I don't have.

<maxamillion> DarthLappy: well, is the iso a newer build?

<DarthLappy> Oh, and so it is.

<DarthLappy> I went to dapper instead of 6.06.1 :)

* JKnife nukes beryl and his edgy repos cause there is a big feisty update

<maxamillion> DarthLappy: :D

<DarthLappy> Though in the 6.06.1 directory they are still called just xubuntu-6.06 :/

<JKnife> .1 was a quick fix IIRC

<DarthLappy> Well it still changes stuff.

<JKnife> yep.. it was time to remove beryl... libc6 update now

<DarthLappy> z0mfg. Release.1 Der.

<JKnife> !language | DarthLappy

<ubotu> DarthLappy: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<DarthLappy> That was a language breach? Which part?

<JKnife> "z0mfg"

<DarthLappy> :( Sowwy. *is one who the channel should be family friendly to, too :P*

<JKnife> hehe

<JKnife> oohhh and a compiz update

* JKnife expects compiz to be getting a LOT of TLC here soon

<DarthLappy> Ah, rsync is going much better now.

<DarthLappy> Too bad jigdo didn't work though.

<maxamillion> JKnife: it does mildy agrivate me that ubuntu jumped on board with novell about compiz instead of branching their own direction with beryl ...

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 65.0% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 66.70% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<ellioTb> hrmmm

<JKnife> maxamillion: well i think beryl isn't all that great anymore.. it was ment to fix the bugs now it has more bugs in it then compiz

<crimsun_> maxamillion: err, no. We're basing the decision on technical merits, namely stability.

<JKnife> yay what i just said.. just shorter

<JKnife> ohh and compiz was already in the repos :)

<maxamillion> crimsun_: its stability comes from novell's dumping of money and developer support into the project

<JKnife> and?

<maxamillion> crimsun_: its a wise decision, no sense in duplicating work ... novell just erks me lately and the suse community is as elitist as always

<crimsun_> from my vantage point, Ubuntu is fairly elitist, too.

<JKnife> pie rules!

<crimsun_> we're just a bit more open about our elitism.

* JKnife likes people eating his brain

<JKnife> SuSE = 31337, *buntu = 31338 XD

<maxamillion> crimsun_: i come from a long standing debian background ... the ubuntu community is far less elitist in comparison

<JKnife> now slackware is 999999999999999999

<maxamillion> JKnife: shhhhh, this isn't a distro war

<JKnife> maxamillion: it sounds like

<JKnife> and smells like it

<crimsun_> maxamillion: but I'm not referring to the community :)

<JKnife> "<crimsun_> from my vantage point," the devs?

<crimsun_> we are, after all, referring to developers and money

<JKnife> haha another point for me

<maxamillion> crimsun_: you think the ubuntu developers are elitist?

<crimsun_> mind you, elitism doesn't mean hostility

<crimsun_> maxamillion: we have to be to make a good distro (and sister projects)

* JKnife hates upgrades

<maxamillion> elitism to me is "stfu noob, rtfm and then google ... stop wasting my time"

<crimsun_> maxamillion: right, I don't equate elitism with hostility

<maxamillion> crimsun_: i think i might be mixing the term elitism and zealot

<JKnife> but if people would read the wiki or use ubotu it is all there :(

<JKnife> ohhhhh.. nmap update

<JKnife> o.O it just got quite... too quite..

* JKnife thinks they took it to a PM

<crimsun_> nope, watching BSG </offtopic>

<JKnife> crimsun_: OT is ok as long as quote "don't spam the channel and no one needs help" or so i have been told =\

<maxamillion> JKnife: quiet*

* JKnife sighs

<JKnife> uncalled for

<maxamillion> ;)

* maxamillion is watching dave chapell on comedy central

<JKnife> ahhh TV, it keeps people from fighting

* PuMpErNiCkEl is watching Fight Club

<JKnife> PuMpErNiCkEl: i just finished watching that

<PuMpErNiCkEl> ^_^

<JKnife> like 15mins ago

* maxamillion <3's Fight Club

* JKnife finally got another TV today after about 6-7mths

<JKnife> :( no kernel upgrades

<JKnife> crimsun_: how often do the repos sync? is there a timechart or something?

<crimsun_> are you referring to the mirrors or to the repo?

<JKnife> repo

<crimsun_> katie/soyuz runs every five minutes on the hour (:00, :05, :10, etc.). The publisher runs at :03 and :33.

<maxamillion> wow

<JKnife> ok

<maxamillion> that's rather often

<JKnife> and syncs are like every 20mins?

* JKnife guesses 20mins-1hr

<JKnife> maxamillion: often = good... think major security update

<crimsun_> katie/soyuz handles ACCEPTS; the publisher farms ACCEPTed source and built binaries and feeds them to the buildds or syncs to the master repo. archive.ubuntu.com is the public-facing master mirror.

<crimsun_> not sure what you're asking regarding syncs.

<JKnife> mirrors.. sorry

<crimsun_> mirrors sync on their own schedule

<maxamillion> JKnife: no i know ... just thought it would be more like once an hour

<crimsun_> we actually call that the mirror pulse

<JKnife> ahh.. makes sense.. sorta

<maxamillion> the mirror pulse i have noticed be as little as 30 minutes and as much as 12 hours

* maxamillion keeps different mirrors/repos on different machines to see whats running faster when :)

<JKnife> hehe

<crimsun_> generally speaking, for the dev branch, any new packages are available at :39 (with pulse from archive.internal to archive.)

<JKnife> ahh.. a little window just incase?

<crimsun_> no, that's the pulse lag from archive.internal to archive.

<crimsun_> i.e., the amount of time it takes to push out new binaries

<crimsun_> lots of new binaries => available a bit later than :34

<maxamillion> bleh ... battery is low, need to switch computers ... bbl

<JKnife> when did ubuntu-base become ubuntu-standard?

<JKnife> -_-

<JKnife> rob: tripping over the cable?

<crimsun_> JKnife: on Tue, 3 May 2005 11:29:12 +0100.

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> umm..

<crimsun_> JKnife: fwiw, ubuntu-base => ubuntu-minimal. ubuntu-standard is the real new one.

<JKnife> ohh..

* JKnife is for a lost of words

<JKnife> are you sure that is correct? if so why did i never find this out till now?

<crimsun_> I'm absolutely sure.

<crimsun_> look at the changelog for ubuntu-meta.

<JKnife> DirectLink?

<crimsun_> the change was made by Colin for Breezy on the date given.

<crimsun_> do you have ubuntu-*, installed?

<JKnife> ahh /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-standard/ ?

<crimsun_> ubuntu-desktop/minimal, etc.

<crimsun_> yep

<crimsun_> zless /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-desktop/changelog.gz

<JKnife> i do *cat <file> | less =\

<JKnife> makes me feel 1337er XD

<crimsun_> whatever works for you

<JKnife> "Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:48:49 +0100" big change there =\

<JKnife> ok.. so where have i been for the past 1.5 years?

<DarthLappy> What is OEM mode on the Alternate CD?

<JKnife> !oem

<ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues

<JKnife> i am sure it is in tehre.. or you could ask Commander-Crowe

<JKnife> s|tehre|there|

<DarthLappy> It doesn't look to be in there...

<PuMpErNiCkEl> It's a special install mode for people who would be, e.g selling computers with Ubuntu pre-installed. It lets you automate the install and require things like a user and password to be created on the next boot.

<DarthLappy> Ah, thanks.

<JKnife> OMG i HATE scrollkeeper

<DarthLappy> Scrollkeeper?

<JKnife> one sec

<PuMpErNiCkEl> scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net ?

<JKnife> !scrollkeeper

<ubotu> scrollkeeper: A free electronic cataloging system for documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.14-11ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 181 kB, installed size 3768 kB

<JKnife> the thing just about EVERY gtk app uses

<JKnife> PuMpErNiCkEl: yeah that is it

<JKnife> "(S)tir (C)rap (U)p (M)ovement" i am the only one that finds that funny?

<DarthLappy> Yes.

<maxamillion> wow i like my desktop keyboard so much more than my laptop keyboard

* maxamillion almost forgot how much nicer it is

<JKnife> well then.. here is an idea.. send me your laptop

<maxamillion> negative, i'm selling it to my room mate

* maxamillion is thinking about playing some nexuiz

<JKnife> :(

<PuMpErNiCkEl> ooo, nexuiz

<PuMpErNiCkEl> What nickname do you play under?

<maxamillion> m[a]x

<maxamillion> i just started playing last week, so i'm not very good ... but its alot of fun

<PuMpErNiCkEl> yeah

<maxamillion> PuMpErNiCkEl: what nick you play under?

<PuMpErNiCkEl> This one. :)

<JKnife> ":)" is your name?

<JKnife> or "."?

<PuMpErNiCkEl> No, Pumpernickel is.

* maxamillion assumes PuMpErNiCkEl

<maxamillion> bah ... too slow again

<JKnife> "Pumpernickel is."?

<JKnife> XD

<PuMpErNiCkEl> ...sigh...

<JKnife> wait.. you are a dot?

<maxamillion> well i need 2 minutes for my updates to finish and then i will play, anyone wanna join with me?

* JKnife doesn't have the game

<maxamillion> JKnife: its in the repos

<JKnife> i can get it though

* JKnife goes to gaming pc

<PuMpErNiCkEl> sure - which server?

<maxamillion> JKnife: sudo aptitude install nexuiz

<DarthLappy> Oh yay. Not completely valid CD + broken install = Broken grub, meaning no Windows for fixing the CD.

<JKnife> maxamillion: "gaming pc"

<JKnife> ie NOT linux pc

<maxamillion> PuMpErNiCkEl: meh, i'm not picky ... you have one you like?

<maxamillion> JKnife: nexuiz is a linux game

<JKnife> no windows?

<JKnife> :(

<PuMpErNiCkEl> Usually TECH, since it's low lag and it has at least three great maps that no one else has.

<maxamillion> JKnife: http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz/

<PuMpErNiCkEl> There's a windows version.

<JKnife> ok one secx

<maxamillion> really?

<JKnife> sec*

<JKnife> wait.. i THINK i have played this game before

<JKnife> brb

<maxamillion> wow, the screenshots on the site look so much better than actual game play

<maxamillion> or maybe i need to turn my settings up

<PuMpErNiCkEl> Probably the settings - my game looks pretty close to the screenshots.

<maxamillion> mine looks like unreal tournament - goty

<JKnife> ohh i played this when it first came out

<maxamillion> a nvidia 6200 should be able to handle high setting on nexuiz right?

<JKnife> Quake II Engine IIRC

* maxamillion didn't build this machine with gaming in mind

<DarthLappy> O_o "mount: Mounting /dev/sda on /mnt/ failed: Invalid argument"

<PuMpErNiCkEl> What command did you use to mount it?

<DarthLappy> Err, probably one that's not right for BusyBox.

<DarthLappy> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/

<maxamillion> is /mnt/ really the target directory?

<DarthLappy> Well there's nothing in there, so I figured it didn't matter. Though I also tried creating /mnt/sda2 and mounting to there, which gave the same error.

<maxamillion> erm

<maxamillion> uhmm... lets see ...

* DarthLappy must point out that he hasn't used Linux for a while ^_^

<maxamillion> honestly, that command should work and BusyBox and i don't tend to get along so i really don't know what to do

<maxamillion> JKnife: you up and running?

<maxamillion> PuMpErNiCkEl: my updates are done, i'm ready when you are

<PuMpErNiCkEl> sure

<PuMpErNiCkEl> TECH server?

<maxamillion> works for me

<PuMpErNiCkEl> k

*** maxamillion is now known as m[a]x_nexuiz

<JKnife> m[a]x_nexuiz: no... SF servers are SLOW

* Commander-Crowe is back (gone 02:08:20)

<DarthLappy> Crommander-Cowe! *hides*

<Commander-Crowe> hey DarthLappy

<DarthLappy> 'Ello.

<Commander-Crowe> anything new?

<Commander-Crowe> or any help needed?

<DarthLappy> I broke something :D I'm fixing it though.

<Commander-Crowe> ah

<Commander-Crowe> what is it?>

<DarthLappy> My rsync'd ISO from a Jigdo didn't have the right linux-base or something... So the install failed, and I couldn't reboot into Windows to fix it. It's up there somewhere :)

*** sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt

<Commander-Crowe> hey sc0tt

<highvoltage> !seen janimo

<ubotu> I haven't seen janimo recently

<DarthLappy> O_o the install worked fine this time? Or so it seems.

* DarthLappy won't question the thing that went his way

<PuMpErNiCkEl> gg m[a]x_nexuiz

<JKnife> ohh snap.. i just got it d/led

<m[a]x_nexuiz> it was fun, i don't know where they get the scores from though because i scored highest but got owned all game

<Commander-Crowe> well

<m[a]x_nexuiz> they are playing a map i really don't like right now, so i quit

<Commander-Crowe> I'm gonna go on nexuiz and then quit

<Commander-Crowe> bye

<m[a]x_nexuiz> later

<m[a]x_nexuiz> i'll brb

<Gloubiboulga> highvoltage: Jani has been offline for a while, but he answers mails ;)

<phlasphy> hey all

<phlasphy> ellioTb, hey man

<phlasphy> JKnife, hey man

<phlasphy> hey TheSheep

<DarthLappy> Hmm... Xubuntu doesn't love my sound :(

<ilias> does xubuntu for PPC include firewire support for G3's N

<ilias> s/N/\?/

<JKnife> ilias: it should.. umm..

<ilias> JKnife, ok, cool :)

<JKnife> why is joe never in here?

<JKnife> one sec

<ilias> cause our cd-writer is firewire-only, and if we're going to switch the old mac to linux, it should work ;)

<JKnife> =\ i think he is afk

<PuMpErNiCkEl> It should work.

<JKnife> well i knoe joejaxx was running it on a g3... not sure about the cdrw or anything though

<JKnife> bbl

<ilias> ok, if it works without to much hassle, that's fine :)

<ilias> thanks both

<JKnife> np

<JKnife> that is cool...

<JKnife> the gnome pager now works with compiz.. so i have 2 cubes XD

<JKnife> and it now can use metacity themes...

<phlasphy_> hey all

* phlasphy_ wonders if he is alone

<JKnife> nah.. you just lagged out again

<phlasphy_> really

<JKnife> yep

<phlasphy_> how much lag?

<PuMpErNiCkEl> Yeah, you dropped out about half an hour ago.

<phlasphy_> ahh yeah i know

<phlasphy_> i changed PC's

<phlasphy_> as no1 was talking i would not be missed

<JKnife> about that much

<phlasphy_> mandriva is crap

<phlasphy_> the mouse did not even work at boot

<phlasphy_> for my brothers pc

* JKnife thought he told phlasphy_ that

<phlasphy_> JKnife, my brother wants it :(

<JKnife> please say the free version

<phlasphy_> of course

<JKnife> give him fedora.. it is better and v6 comes with compiz

<JKnife> IIRC

<phlasphy_> no 3d support

<JKnife> i do not think i had to install it =\

<phlasphy_> i tried fedora he did not like it

<phlasphy_> :(

* phlasphy_ should give him gentoo

<phlasphy_> he would not return to linux then :)

<JKnife> try him on KateOS

<phlasphy_> what?

<JKnife> KateOS

<JKnife> !kateos

* phlasphy_ googles it

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kateos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<phlasphy_> looks ok

<phlasphy_> meh xubuntu looks better :)

<JKnife> hehe

<DarthLappy> Can xfmedia play mp3s by default?

<JKnife> no

<JKnife> you need the codec

<JKnife> !mp3

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<phlasphy_> xmms can

<DarthLappy> Oh, maybe that's why it wasn't working ^_^ (I have used Ubuntu and Kubuntu... I know about the stuff...)

<phlasphy_> OMG my brother just said he wants a sex chanege

<JKnife> yep.. KateOS is for him

<phlasphy_> lol

<ephemeros> hey \m/

<Customer_> hey

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<DarthLappy> How does one change the keyboard layout? *needs Dvorak*

<phlasphy> cya all

<RMorris85> where is the trash bin at in xfce?

<ephemeros> it is in the file manager side pane

<ephemeros> RMorris85: what version of xfce do you use?

<RMorris85> 4.4 beta 1 it says

<RMorris85> i just installed xubuntu desktop

<RMorris85> and i cant find the trash bin lol

<ephemeros> xubuntu edgy?

<RMorris85> no dapper

<ephemeros> i think you have dapper, i forgot it's version

<ephemeros> ok, so that version of xfce hasn't a trash bin

<ephemeros> i'm on edgy :P

<RMorris85> where is all the stuff that im deleting going to? lol

<ephemeros> to void :)

<ephemeros> i believe

<RMorris85> ???

<ephemeros> yes, it is deleted forever, like "Shift+Delete"

<ephemeros> like you sent it to trash then empty the bin

<RMorris85> oh wow

<ephemeros> did you base your operations on the existance of the trash?

<RMorris85> since using gnome ya

<RMorris85> lol

<ephemeros> oh :|

<RMorris85> but like i said i just installed xubuntu-desktop like 4 hours ago

<RMorris85> and im liking it

<RMorris85> got my beryl running also

<RMorris85> so thats sweet

<ephemeros> cool

<ephemeros> i could never make beryl work, though i didn't try too hard

* ephemeros <- out to code something

<RMorris85> i had it working with gnome in ubuntu... and all i had to do here was killall xfwm4 and bam it worked

<hyper_ch> hiho

<hyper_ch> anyone has winetools?

<phlasphy> whoa

<phlasphy> i used the xubuntu live CD today and i remember what i miss :)

<hyper_ch> phlasphy: what do you use then now?

<phlasphy> i am trying to install archlinux :)

<hyper_ch> so you're on windoze so far?

<phlasphy> i am on windows on my mums laptop

<phlasphy> but i am on arch on my desktop

<hyper_ch> why arch?

<phlasphy> ni heard a FEW GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT

<phlasphy> oops stupid keyboard

<hyper_ch> :) you don't happen to have a copy of the current winetools?

<phlasphy> umm not that i know of :)

* phlasphy wonders what winetools is?

<hyper_ch> too bad :)

<phlasphy> yeah

<phlasphy> you should try arch :)

* phlasphy hides

<hyper_ch> winetools is a config tool for wine

<phlasphy> ok

<hyper_ch> and the official homepage is down right now

<phlasphy> :(

<phlasphy> too bad

* phlasphy may install xubuntu again :)

<phlasphy> night all

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<shogoXubuntu> Hey guys! haven't been here in a week~! I'm still on Xubuntu

<shogoXubuntu> I'm almost done setting up my AMD K62-3DNow! 450 Mhz... where are my fellow K62 cpu owners?

<shogoXubuntu> I wanted to chat with the 2 owners of AMD K6 2 3DNow! cpus because I was wondering if there is any kind of Temperature monitor app you guys know of

<shogoXubuntu> No, I don't even have samba running..

<shogoXubuntu> silly

<MUTU> on 128MB RAM, how long should it take between double clicking on 'Install' and getting the list of countries? For me it's already been 10 mins :S

<somerville32> MUTU: It has most likely frozen.

<TheSheep> MUTU: you're on livecd?

<MUTU> no i just got the list now

<MUTU> yes on livecd

<somerville32> MUTU: The livecd requires more then 128mb of ram - a bug that we're working on.

<TheSheep> MUTU: altrhough livecd only needs 128MB ram to run, the installer needs 192MB :(

<MUTU> clicked forward now but it is taking ages :)

<MUTU> and once it's installed, will 128MB be enough?

<somerville32> MUTU: Yup.

<TheSheep> MUTU: better use alternate install cd, it will save you some nerves

<somerville32> MUTU: I'm running a 333mhz w/ 128mb of RAM

<MUTU> how is browsing somerville32?

<MUTU> it's what it will mainly be used for

<somerville32> MUTU: Works great.

<somerville32> MUTU: I can run gaim, terminal, xchat, beep-media-player, and firefox 2 and it runs pretty well.

<MUTU> :)

<MUTU> i will be running azuereus and firefox 2

<MUTU> *azureus

<TheSheep> ouch

<TheSheep> MUTU: better find some non-java bittorrent client

<TheSheep> MUTU: java is memory hog

<MUTU> hmm

<MUTU> i think you're right about the livecd. it will be quicker to downlaod the livecd than the full cd

<MUTU> it's taking 15 mins per step on 128MB ram

<somerville32> MUTU: You mean the alternative cd, right? ;]

<MUTU> somerville32: yes, right, sorry i'm not completely sober :)

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<MUTU> grrr the torrent is alternate cd torrent is broken

<MUTU> mmm sorry technical error :)

<shogoXubuntu> need help.. xubuntu doesn't have default system monitor with green realtime graph on black background

<shogoXubuntu> i remember ubuntu has it with gnome desktop.. but xubuntu does not have it.. please help

<somerville32> Hi shogoXubuntu

<shogoXubuntu> hi

<shogoXubuntu> i remember u from last week!

<somerville32> :D

<shogoXubuntu> do u know about a graphical monitor that can run on xubuntu's xfce desktop that kinda looks like the cool one used in gnome?

<shogoXubuntu> i'm on my amd 450 mhz rite now.. which isn't powerful enough for latest gnome.. I have latest gnome desktop on my 2.4 ghz pc

<MUTU> shogoXubuntu: kinda like fluxbox's one?

<shogoXubuntu> fluxbox?

<shogoXubuntu> lemme google that

<MUTU> sorry to confuse you... fluxbox is an alternate windows manager. it's the lightest one in fact

<Grey_Loki> Blackbox is lighter :P

<shogoXubuntu> lighter than xfce?

<shogoXubuntu> wow! those fluxbox interfaces look awesome

<MUTU> yes, ok, let me rephrase that... the lightest user-friendly aestethically-developed window manager

<MUTU> there's an unofficial fluxboxubuntu distro i think as well

<shogoXubuntu> wow! hmmmmmm

<shogoXubuntu> u know.. in 1996 I attempted to install an Enlightenment on a Cyrix 6x86

<MUTU> http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_To_Install_Fluxbox_in_Ubuntu

<shogoXubuntu> but even though it sounds like an old timer.. I honestly only dabble in linux then go back to win.. but 10 years later I'm using it more often now

<MUTU> Linux hates me

<shogoXubuntu> hmm.. I'm tempted to try it out.. but i'm out of time.. perhaps I can use it on my Pentium 200 mhz HEHEEH

<MUTU> I've spent at least 10 times the amount of time trying to install linux than actually using it

<shogoXubuntu> Mutu: me 2 :) HEHEHE

<pleia2> shogoXubuntu: fluxbox would run ok on your 200mhz pentium :)

<pleia2> I have it running on a 40mhz sparc32

<MUTU> 40MHz?!?!

<MUTU> lol

<shogoXubuntu> sweet! looks like I can dust off the dirt on my 200 mhz pc

<shogoXubuntu> its sitting in a shed hehehe

<MUTU> pleia2: how much RAM you got on that dying monster?

<shogoXubuntu> impressive! I have an old 33 mhz NeXTSTEP pizza box.. but its out of commission..

<Grey_Loki> MUTU, blackbox looks fairly similar to fluxbox, IIRC

<MUTU> next step?! hardly! :)

<pleia2> MUTU: it's maxxed out at 42M

<Grey_Loki> The oldest computer I have is a 75Mhz 32MB RAM, 2GB HDD i386 system

<MUTU> the oldest computer i have is a sinclair zx spectrum 48K

<shogoXubuntu> Grey: is that the legendary 486 DX with built in co-processor?

<shogoXubuntu> in 2000, i recycled a 286 .. it was only good for a terminal..

<shogoXubuntu> Tandy hehe

<Grey_Loki> Into which I grafted a 20GB hard disk - it's now a samba fileserver for some of my archives

<shogoXubuntu> AWESOME!

<shogoXubuntu> ur saving the world by not throwing it away..

<shogoXubuntu> I had to recycle 10 Pentium 100's

<shogoXubuntu> not sure what the computer recyclers do with it..

<shogoXubuntu> hopefully they really do recycle it

<shogoXubuntu> anywayz.. I noticed that Xubuntu xfce has this app called xfce4-taskmanager... and there's no cool graph displayed

<shogoXubuntu> i was wondering if there is another one I can install with a graph like the one in fluxbox or even gnome

<cellofellow> graph? for what?

<MUTU> i have a 40MB hard disk if anyone wants

<MUTU> actually, 2 of them

<MUTU> IDE :D

<shogoXubuntu> it shows spikes when hitting higher cpu%

<shogoXubuntu> that kind of graph

<cellofellow> conky

<cellofellow> although it is a little bit buggy, it's really cool.

<cellofellow> MUTU: don't need a hdd, but do want an IDE CD or DVD burner.

<MUTU> i confirm. xubuntu cannot be installed on 128MB RAM

<MUTU> not for anyone with a patience limit anyway

<cellofellow> With the LiveCD.

<cellofellow> Try the alternate (text install) CD.

<MUTU> not with the livecd for sure

<MUTU> i spent the first 15 mins waiting for it to boot

<cellofellow> YOu can go down to 64MB with the alternate.

<MUTU> another 15 mins for step 1 to load the list of countries

<MUTU> and 45 mins already for step 2, and it's still not finished

<cellofellow> That's why they say more than 128MB for the LiveCD.

<TheSheep> and it will hang completely halfway through

<MUTU> Minimum system requirements

<MUTU> To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM, when using the Alternate Install CD you can do with 64 MB.

<cellofellow> (If you have 64MB of RAM I suggest DSL-Not instead of Xubuntu though.)

<MUTU> the website needs to be updated :P

<TheSheep> MUTU: to run livecd yes, but to run installer in the livecd you need more

<MUTU> TheSheep: ah ok

<MUTU> :)

<cellofellow> DSL-N is half the size of Xubuntu and twice as fast.

<MUTU> i'm going to pull the plug on this thing. there's no way i can safely shutdown, right?

<cellofellow> try ctrl+alt+backspace then shut it down

<somerville32> MUTU: As long as it hasn't modified your HD, you can just shut it off

<MUTU> i don't care what it did now, i shut it off :)

<MUTU> was making too much noise

<cellofellow> Nothing to save on that HD anyways?

<MUTU> nope

<cellofellow> try the text CD.

<MUTU> was running the installer ;)

<shogoXubuntu> does DSL have add/remove gui to easily install LAMP ?

<cellofellow> There's MyDSL and Apt.

<cellofellow> MyDSL is good for LiveCD/USB, and Apt for HD.

<TheSheep> shogoXubuntu: if you want to use dsl, why would you use such a heavy and borked http server as apache?

<cellofellow> lighttpd all the way, or the included Monkey Web Server.

<TheSheep> there are many alternatives

<shogoXubuntu> wow.. I didn't know

<shogoXubuntu> and I can have php run in them?

<TheSheep> yes

<cellofellow> Lighttpd yes, dunno about Monkey

<TheSheep> cellofellow: you can alsways run php as cgi :)

<shogoXubuntu> i guess its because I am taking short cuts and I use whatever I can install via linux gui

<cellofellow> I think that's how Lighttpd does it anyways.

<TheSheep> cellofellow: no, lighttp uses fastcgi

<cellofellow> what's the difference?

<TheSheep> cellofellow: that's totally different, despite the name

<TheSheep> cellofellow: the difeerentce is that with cgi, the php process would be started for every rquest separately

<TheSheep> cellofellow: with fastcgi, there is one php process running in the background and handling all the requests

<cellofellow> So it sort of caches the process?

<TheSheep> no, it reuses it

<cellofellow> huh. Interesting.

<TheSheep> cellofellow: an additional plus is that the php doesn't need to run on the same physical box as the http server

<cellofellow> so it allows distributing stuff.

<TheSheep> cellofellow: if you have heavy load, you can have even several boxes running php, and single http server using them to handle requests

<cellofellow> cool

<TheSheep> and it doesn't have to be php -- I have some python- and perl-based wikis set up like that

<vidd_laptop> several boxes to just run php?

<MUTU> is there software to play wmv and wma files in linux?

<TheSheep> vidd_laptop: imagine wikipedia... ;)

<cellofellow> TheSheep: the wiki engine I use says it supports fastcgi, but when I enabled it in apache it quit.

<cellofellow> MUTU: install w32codecs (if you have a 32bit system)

<TheSheep> cellofellow: it requires some setup

<MUTU> cellofellow: thanks, and on 64-bit?

<vidd_laptop> does w32codecs work in gxine?

<cellofellow> needs a chroot which is complicated.

<cellofellow> vidd_laptop: gxine doesn't work anyways. use mplayer. ;)

<vidd_laptop> does mplayer play dvds?

<cellofellow> Yes.

<vidd_laptop> then why is xine included if it dont work right?

<vidd_laptop> *gxine*

<cellofellow> I said gxine, not xine. Dunno. Maybe it works on some peoples boxes.

<vidd_laptop> it works fine on my lappy....

<cellofellow> it should

<cellofellow> w32codecs.

<vidd_laptop> i have issues on my desktop...but i chalked that up to issues with the box, not the software

<cellofellow> bbl

<shogoXubuntu> one more

<shogoXubuntu> is there a temperature app?

<shogoXubuntu> i wanna know how cool/hot my system is

<shogoXubuntu> but this old system doesn't have temperature support in bios

<shogoXubuntu> what are my options?

<shogoXubuntu> dam.. fluxbox looks more and more attractive.. and i'm almost done configuring xutuntu!! damit

<shogoXubuntu> this will be like the 100th time i'm formatting..

<shogoXubuntu> :(

<shogoXubuntu> CRAP!!

<unikon> anyone in here use xubuntu ANY RELEASE on dial up?

<MUTU> not me :P

<MUTU> shogoXubuntu: sorry

<MUTU> for telling you about fluxbox :P

<somerville32> unikon: If you have a question, ask and maybe we can help ;]

<unikon> im tryin to get a friend to switch from xp and hes tired of windows

<unikon> only thing is hes on dial up

<MUTU> winmodem?

<unikon> what do i need to in order to walk him thru setting up a dial up account on dapper

<unikon> mutu

<unikon> is that in the repos

<MUTU> does ubuntu support his modem?

<unikon> thats what id like to find out

<MUTU> if it fails, you can try MEPIS Linux

<unikon> true

<MUTU> i heard it has pretty good support for dial up modems

<unikon> used mepis lite as first full linux install

<hyper_ch> hiho

<somerville32> Hi

<hyper_ch> somerville32: have you winetools downloaded?

<somerville32> Nope.

<MUTU> still 2 hours left to download the xubuntu alternate CD :(

<unikon> mutu why 2 hours

<hyper_ch> somerville32: :(

<MUTU> cos it's downloading at 50KB/s

<MUTU> :(

<hyper_ch> MUTU: how about a different mirror?

<MUTU> I'm downloading from a torrent

<MUTU> but if anyone happens to have a list of mirrors... :)

<hyper_ch> why not through http from a mirror?

<MUTU> cos it's a hassle to get an md5 checksum with WinXP :P

<hyper_ch> seems like xubuntu is not mirrored

<unikon> mutu ill look for ya

* somerville32 hugs Nalioth.

<MUTU> ooh, romance :)

<unikon> mutu here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/

<MUTU> that's an old version unikon :P

<unikon> eh

<MUTU> don't worry though

<MUTU> i won't have time to install it tonight anyway

<MUTU> cos i'm going out now, last second plans :S

<hyper_ch> mutu: install doesn't take much time :)

<unikon> ok heres edgy

<unikon> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/

<MUTU> hyper_ch: from my experience, yes.

<MUTU> i've just had a terrible experience installing DSL on a USB hard disk for a thin client

<hyper_ch> MUTU: hmmm, I have writtne myself now a small install.sh in which I have all packages and stuff I want to install :)

<unikon> mutu that is edgy alternative

<MUTU> i spent 38 hours trying to do it

<MUTU> the end result sucked so much i didn't use it

<MUTU> so i'm now very very skeptic installing linux :)

<hyper_ch> MUTU: well, you're not going to install xubuntu ona usb harddisk?

<MUTU> no

<MUTU> i got a laptop

<MUTU> 128MB RAM

<MUTU> I'm going to force my mum to use linux haha

<MUTU> >:)

<MUTU> it's her box

<unikon> mutu last link i put up is the one u want

<MUTU> unikon: that's where i'm downloading from

<MUTU> i tried both http and the torrent

<MUTU> http was only doing 28KB/s

<unikon> ahh

<hyper_ch> MUTU: maybe it's your connection

<hyper_ch> MUTU: last time I downloaded it (at university) it was done in 15min

<MUTU> hyper_ch: could be

<MUTU> considering i live on a rock-cum-island

<MUTU> but then i was downloading ubuntu at 350KB/s

<hyper_ch> maybe it's just a bad time downloading now :)

* hyper_ch wants winetools :(

<MUTU> no, it's just linux hating me again :)

<hyper_ch> it doesn't hate you... it's challenging you :)

<MUTU> do you know i've never been able to use linux for 1 whole hour at a stretch?

<TheSheep> lol, people claiming that they can'f find anything as user friendly as Amarok always make me laugh

<MUTU> every installation i touched crashed in less than an hour after i started using it

<MUTU> DSL was doing it every 15 mins

* TheSheep hides his box from MUTU

<unikon> mutu try mepis lite

<MUTU> TheSheep... lemme show you something cool to do with your linux

<MUTU> c'mon, gimme that keyboard

<hyper_ch> hmmm, format c: doesn't work on linux :)

<MUTU> seriously though, it's either REALLY bad luck, or linux does hate me

* TheSheep bashes MUTU with an IBM mainfame manual

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: use mkfs

* hyper_ch is sceptical about mkfs

<MUTU> i always eyeball anyone who says linux is stable

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: btw, you are a programmer, right?

<hyper_ch> MUTU: linux is stable

<hyper_ch> MUTU: well, some are more stable than others :)

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes?

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: what languages do you know?

<MUTU> hyper_ch: in my experience, Linux was the most unstable OS ever

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: Polish, English and a little bit French

<hyper_ch> MUTU: then I conclude that you have not much experience with computers :)

<MUTU> way more unstable than my old unpatched Windows 98 (first edition) or my Windows ME

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: I meant programming languages :)

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<TheSheep> hyper_ch: what do you mean by 'know'? Can write a "hello world" in it?

<MUTU> hyper_ch: you'd start believing me if you give me 30 mins with your box

<somerville32> highvoltage, Did you ever send off an e-mail to canonical sysadmins?

<highvoltage> somerville32: I sent a bunch a while back, can you remind me what it was about? then I can get the ticket number.

<hyper_ch> MUTU: well, my box just runs fine... and I need to re-isntall everything it's about 1 1/2h until it is running with this state as it is now again

<somerville32> highvoltage: About getting shell access for me.

<highvoltage> I'm also just passing by (on friedn's pc now) , so might not have access to that mesage

* somerville32 nods.

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: actually with programming I mean creating cool stuff that does a tiny bit more then just echo/print hello world :)

<MUTU> hyper_ch: wow. if my current windows machine breaks up, i'd fall in a depression

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: that's not programming ;)

<MUTU> i'd never be able to get it back

<hyper_ch> MUTU: that would have been for me the case like every 2 months

<highvoltage> somerville32: please pinMonday, then we'll sort it out quick-quicjk

<somerville32> highvoltage: Will do

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: do you konw what the seti@home project is based on? Kind of some distributed system... could that be used for other stuff also?

<highvoltage> somerville32: there was some other things we needed to go through too, then we can look at that too

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes

<somerville32> Awesome.

<somerville32> highvoltage: Feel free to hang out in #xubuntu-devel too, btw.

<MUTU> guys, there is just one thing that will always stop me from using Linux as my main machine (apart from my stability experience :P)

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: but distributed computing is deep shit

<TheSheep> oops

<TheSheep> pardon me

<MUTU> is there any way at all that i could get Internet Explorer to work on Linux?

<somerville32> :D

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, you konw "Blue Frog and/or okopipi?

<TheSheep> MUTU: ies4linux

<TheSheep> MUTU: I use it

<MUTU> but what about the fonts and all?

<TheSheep> MUTU: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

<MUTU> i'd want it pixel perfect to the windows version

<TheSheep> MUTU: everything's there, full install of msie

<hyper_ch> MUTU: msie 7.0?

<TheSheep> MUTU: right from ms's isntaller

<MUTU> but what about the fonts?

<TheSheep> MUTU: that's what this project is -- for web developers

<hyper_ch> MUTU: use vmware and install a windows there with msie 7.0 ^^

<MUTU> would they look identical?

<TheSheep> MUTU: fonts are included in the isntaller, so they are the same

<MUTU> i do mean identical, not similar

<TheSheep> MUTU: yes, it's identical, I thought I'd puke the first time I ran it ;)

<MUTU> i.e. i'd take a screenshot in windows and a screenshot in linux, and they'd be 100% the same?

<TheSheep> MUTU: the tooltips are different

<TheSheep> MUTU: yes

<MUTU> tooltips are not a problem

<TheSheep> MUTU: at least the inside of the window

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: so you know anything about Blue Frog or Okopipi?

<TheSheep> MUTU: I use it for web development myself

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: no

<MUTU> hmm i might try it then

<MUTU> i might actually optimise my windows installation just for playing games

<MUTU> and remove the anti-spyware and anti-virus :)

<TheSheep> and internet access ;)

<MUTU> i can't optimise internet access

<TheSheep> you can disable it

<MUTU> not if i'm playing multiplayer games on the internet</