<blue-phuz> can some one help me fix a screen corruption problem on my laptops gf4 mx 420 using ubuntu 6.10 and the latest nvidia glx

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: define "latest" ... did you get them directly from the nvidia website?

<blue-phuz> i used apt-get

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: ah ok ... did you edit your xorg.conf file?

<blue-phuz> yep i added the stupp for the go chipset from http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy

<blue-phuz> stuff*

<blue-phuz> and i added the lin to /etc/modprobe.d/options

<blue-phuz> when i change resolutions it corrups the screen

<Jester45> o well :0

<blue-phuz> every thing else works fine at my native res 1280x800

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: yeah, i'm not sure to be honest, when you start putting things into ubuntu that's aren't officially supported it starts to freak out ...

<blue-phuz> i just looks like the hard ware image scaler isnt working

<Jester45> maxamillion: lol so true if you didnt apt-get it do use it :)

<maxamillion> Jester45: he did use apt-get

<maxamillion> Jester45: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: what was wrong with the default nvidia drivers that come with edgy?

<Jester45> but he didnt apt-get edit xorg

<blue-phuz> hmm

<maxamillion> Jester45: whaT?

<maxamillion> Jester45: you can't apt-get edit xorg, i don't follow where you are going with this

<blue-phuz> it had no 3d support

<Jester45> maxamillion: if you try things that you dont do with apt ubuntu starts to panic

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: yeah it does ... sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx from the official repositores without all this extra weirdness works just fine

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: it takes like 3 steps ...

<blue-phuz> ya i got the nvidia glx drivers for apt-get

<blue-phuz> thos are what im running now

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29

<Jester45> anyone know how ot convert mp3 to av?

<Jester45> wav*

<maxamillion> blue-phuz: right, but the tutorial you followed did it all wrong and took you through some steps that i have never heard of

<maxamillion> Jester45: audacity maybe?

<Qew> install gnormalize and use that (disable the normalize feature when doing it).

<Qew> *unless you do want to normalise them ;)

<Jester45> i would like to use mencoder

<Jester45> but when use "mencoder inputfile.mp3 -o file.wav" it said that there needs to be video

<Jester45> and i read 1004 lines of man mencoder

<maxamillion> yeah ... i've never heard of it

<greg_> Anybody else getting screen freezes while logging out?

<maxamillion> hello unikon

<unikon> hi max

<maxamillion> greg_: nope, what version of xubuntu, what graphics card and what X server?

<unikon> max do you have any irc scripts enabled

<greg_> maxamillion, edgy onboard graphics stock x server

<greg_> stock = whatever was put on a default install

<greg_> every so often it will just freeze

<maxamillion> greg_: would depend on what motherboard you have, the x config tool is pretty intuitive

<greg_> i'll look into it. So iit could be something in x.conf?

<greg_> xorg.conf

<greg_> that is

<unikon> everytime i log in xchat without the server list enabled i get this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Os6erM29.html

<greg_> by the way xubuntu is the freakin bomb

<Jester45> yep

<unikon> maxamillion can u look at that paste please

<greg_> it's fast and stable and even my wife can use it without bugging me during the ballgame

<maxamillion> unikon: sure can

<maxamillion> greg_: why thank you :)

<greg_> kudos

<unikon> thanks IT may be a remote script

<greg_> later

<unikon> i never allowed

<maxamillion> greg_: we are always trying to help keep ball games un-disturbed

<maxamillion> lol ... too late

<unikon> and it wont let me uninstall it

<maxamillion> unikon: yeah, that's just a default feature of xchat

<maxamillion> unikon: it just add Tcl capabilities to xchat ... its like perl or python, just another scripting language

<maxamillion> w00t!!! i got off work in 10 minutes

<unikon> so its not a actual remote access permission right

<maxamillion> unikon: no no, not at all

<maxamillion> unikon: http://www.scriptkitties.com/tclplugin/ <---info about

<maxamillion> unikon: i actually think its just a part of the xchat package in ubuntu

<Jester45> hehe somerville32 i have your song as Hate (i really dont like you) by Plain white t's

<somerville32> /ignore jester45

<Jester45> maxamillion: 4 minutes life

<Jester45> its a good song tho

<maxamillion> Jester45: why don't you like somerville32?

<Jester45> banned me

<maxamillion> Jester45: and what did you do to get banned?

<Jester45> nothing

<TheSheep> yeah, nothing is the most common couse of bans

<TheSheep> cause

<maxamillion> Jester45: be honest, what did you do?

<maxamillion> Jester45: don't get angry at an op because he is doing his job

<TheSheep> and it's not a pleasant job -- people who enjoy it are not suited to being ops

<Jester45> lol

<maxamillion> lol

<Jester45> ban people for fun

<Jester45> sounds fun

<maxamillion> no, that's not the point of being an op

<maxamillion> anyhoo ... i'm off work

<maxamillion> laters

<Jester45> thats why im not op

<Jester45> bye

<Jester45> see you in a little

<maxamillion> Jester45: well shape up and play nice with others and you won't get banned anymore

<maxamillion> ... yeah i'll be back as soon as i get food :)

<Jester45> im be back later also

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<Jester45> sup

<boris55> sup

<boris55> did you ever mess with suse? I saw you in that chat a few days ago.

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> and yea i was in there

<boris55> I installed it and now I'm back to xubuntu.

<boris55> seems overly complicated and busy.

<Jester45> im on

<Jester45> xubuntu opensuse10.2 damnsmall and regualr debian

<Jester45> working on gentoo and open bsd

<boris55> dang, that's a lot. I would be running pcbsd if I could get modem and wireless working. I run puppy every one in a while and gave up on gentoo years ago. pcbsd is a great project, imho

<Jester45> i like to try runing gentoo in qemu

<Jester45> kinda slow

<AcidBurn> well, this is odd, had to re-install xubuntu, and get setup AGAIN, the after all the updates, and configuration later, I notice firefox font size is off (larger ) than any other app, so, I un-installed and deleted the .mozilla folder, and re-install it again, hmm. fonts are still larger

<Jester45> i run DSL on qemu when im at my house but i rewrite a cd when im done editing it

<Jester45> AcidBurn: open ffthen go to view -->text size -->normal

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: set your dpi properly

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: or just add "Xft.dpi: 96" to ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb

<Jester45> TheSheep: my way seems easier

<TheSheep> Jester45: if it worked, yes

<Jester45> TheSheep: what better small dpi or large

<TheSheep> Jester45: there are two options: either set it to what windows uses, that is 96dpi no matter what, or set it to your real monitor's dpi, firefox has a tool for that in the settings

<Jester45> how do you know your moniters dpi

<Jester45> count?

<TheSheep> Jester45: you measure your screen and put that into your xorg.conf

<Jester45> i Have a 21.1 inch

<TheSheep> Jester45: it has a nice result: no matter what resulution yous set, your fonts remain the same physical size on the screen

<TheSheep> DisplaySize width height This optional entry gives the width and height, in millimetres, of the picture area of the monitor. If given, this is used to calculate the horizontal and vertical pitch (DPI) of the screen.

<TheSheep> Jester45: from 'man xorg.conf'

<Jester45> ok well im going to count the dpi

<TheSheep> gimp has a tool for checking it too

<TheSheep> in the preferences

<Jester45> k

<Jester45> TheSheep: is there any cool arcade like games that run in terminal

<TheSheep> hm... there is netris

<TheSheep> and there was a deathmatch game

<TheSheep> forgot the name

<TheSheep> netris is very good -- we play it regualrly, we even had a chapionship this year

<Jester45> we?

<TheSheep> Jester45: yes, there is sort of a netris club ;)

<Jester45> how do you restart a game

<TheSheep> Jester45: n

<_3uG_> does anyone know how to make backspace send ^H with screen and xfce-terminal?

<Jester45> no go for the n

<Jester45> _3uG_: i know the terminal

<Jester45> _3uG_: open up terminal --> edit --> preferances -->advanced --> backspace key generates --> control-H

<_3uG_> ah i'll try that

<_3uG_> it worked! thanks

<_3uG_> obvious fix that i didn't even think about

<AcidBurn> sorry, long phone call..

<AcidBurn> TheSheep: set the dpi?

<AcidBurn> where is the setting for the dpi? only firefox is effected?

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: firefox has its own dpi setting, and if you use that, then it's only it

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: there are also global settings for that -- then all the fonts are affected

<AcidBurn> well, it weird that all the other fonts are the same, sizes... expect firefox even after a re-install

<AcidBurn> where would I check this out

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: in ff's preferences, of course

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: what version of xubuntu do you use?

<AcidBurn> 6.10

<AcidBurn> edgy

<AcidBurn> its not there to adjust the menu fonts...

<AcidBurn> on the page fonts..

<AcidBurn> its the menu fonts that are larger..

<TheSheep> they removed that option, it seems :(

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: ok, type 'about:config' in the location bar

<AcidBurn> min

<AcidBurn> done..next

<TheSheep> in filter type 'dpi'

<AcidBurn> okay see one..

<TheSheep> what does it say?

<AcidBurn> layout.css.dpi default integer -1

<TheSheep> bummer :/

<TheSheep> I was hoping it's set to some weird value and you can fix it by setting to -1 :)

<AcidBurn> man..

<AcidBurn> why me..

<AcidBurn> I get all the fun..;)

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: well, try setting it to '96'

<TheSheep> and see what happens

<AcidBurn> nope

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: well, that's where my knowledge ends

<AcidBurn> thanks for trying..

<AcidBurn> :-D

<Commander-Crowe> ehat is it?

<Commander-Crowe> what*

<AcidBurn> something in xorg effecting firefox ? or window theme ?

<Jester45> is there a way to ask for a package to be updated?

<Jester45> !gtk-gnutella

<ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB

<Jester45> yes its outdated

<somerville32> Jester45: Yup :)

<somerville32> IF debian has a never version, you could ask them to sync it

<somerville32> Oh wait

<somerville32> gtk-gnutella isn't in Ubuntu

<somerville32> *debian

<somerville32> You could ask the Ubuntu package maintainer to upload a new version

<somerville32> Or you could do it yourself

<delaney> anyone know what this is and how i fix it when i boot up?? im dual booting edgy + xp http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8norsn71.html

<AcidBurn> TheSheep: that fix it....

<Jester45> somerville32: gtk-gnutella only has only source and im not good at that stuff

<somerville32> Jester45: I could do it for you... but you hate me :P

<Jester45> where can i ask the mantainer to update

<Jester45> well...

<somerville32> Jester45: You'd have to go to launchpad and look it up

<Jester45> i could rename the song hate (i really kinda dont like you)

<Jester45> :

<somerville32> :]

<Jester45> could you do one of the 2

<Jester45> please

<Jester45> i dont really want to register for anything right now im a bit busy

<somerville32> Sure, I'll look into for you

<somerville32> *into it

<Jester45> do you want the source or you going to ask foran update

<somerville32> Is it available online?

<Jester45> the source is

<Jester45> the versions are a bit behind

<Jester45> for ubuntu its at 96.1 96.3 now

<Jester45> there are 96.2 debs

<arturo> :/ns register xubuntu

<Jester45> what?

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<Jester45> somerville32: im on launch pad and the xubuntu-devel mailing list and im on wiki

<ellioTb> yo yo

<ellioTBot> what up

<Jester45> Hello

<ellioTb> hey Jester45

<ellioTb> stupid bot hates the wiki script

<krikit> Alrighty folks, quick question--I just installed Xubuntu (6.06, forget the name of the release) and I need to start setting up packages... where should I start?

<TheSheep> krikit: system->synaptics package manager

<krikit> TheSheep: Yeah, I meant more of... settings to change because last time I ran Xubuntu I had to set up to pull from different sources or something similar but can't remember exactly what

<TheSheep> krikit: add 'multiverse' and 'universe' repositories

<TheSheep> !repos

<ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource

<krikit> TheSheep: Does that require doing more than checking boxes in Settings > Repositories?

<TheSheep> krikit: no

<krikit> TheSheep: Alright then, I've got that taken care of... now to my next problem... Why can't I get MPlayer through Synaptic?

<TheSheep> !mplayer

<ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer To compile it from source see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile

<ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.

<TheSheep> krikit: it should be there in 'multiverse'

<TheSheep> krikit: have you reloaded the package list?

<krikit> TheSheep: Reloaded it and will give you the error it shows up with in a moment

<TheSheep> hm?

<krikit> TheSheep: Sorry for the delay, multi-tasking updates... Anyway, running the "sudo apt-get install mplayer" command gives me this error: http://pastebin.ca/277431

<TheSheep> krikit: you don't have the multiverse repository enabled

<krikit> TheSheep: I should since I changed it through Synaptic... I'm checking using the command line interface now

<ellioTb> !google test

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google test - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<ellioTb> stoopid bot

<TheSheep> ellioTb: use your browser

<ellioTb> heh, talkin about my bot, workin on getting it to search a wiki by modifying a google search

<ellioTb> tcl script

<krikit> TheSheep: Well that's just odd.. there's lines for Universe but not Multiverse... should I just tack 'multiverse' onto the ends of the lines or just make new lines for it?

<ellioTb> .google xubuntu

<TheSheep> krikit: yes

<TheSheep> ellioTb: you absolutely need to do it on a public channel?

<TheSheep> ellioTb: not that it's something teribly wrong, but woudn;t it be for convenient for you to create a special channel just for this?

<TheSheep> s/be for/be more/

<krikit> TheSheep: Alright, that's gotten it taken care of now, thanks

<ellioTb> TheSheep, yeah, just seeing if it wasn't working in my room, but worked in here

<ellioTb> i'll just wait till maxamillion writes it, not in a coding mood

<TheSheep> tcl is cute

<ellioTb> hehe

<TheSheep> very consistent with it's {} for strings

<ellioTb> its gonna be handy, will let everyone in here search the ubuntu wiki

<ellioTb> looks ugly, don't feel like playing with it

<TheSheep> ellioTb: well, a screenful of results might be a little too much...

<ellioTb> yeah, think it might msg them the results or something

<ellioTb> !volumeid

<ubotu> volumeid: volume identification tool. In component main, is important. Version 093-0ubuntu18 (edgy), package size 59 kB, installed size 108 kB

<TheSheep> ellioTb: is this the one that messed up my fstab? :)

<ellioTb> TheSheep, probably, just updated

<ellioTb> man, my ubuntu cd's are never gonna get here

<gumpo> Does anyone know how i can change my resolution above 800x600 on Xubuntu 6.10? (Im on a GeForce3 card, and the only options after downloading the nvidia drivers are 640x480 and 800x600.)

<TheSheep> gumpo: are you sure you're using the new drivers?

<gumpo> Yes, after i enabled them and restarted, my available options changed - I previously had about 10 choices, all lower then 800x600 and at 60-65hz, now i just have 640x480 and 800x600 at 75hz

<gumpo> I know my card and monitor are both capable of 1600x1200.

* cellofellow thinks gumpo should reconfigure xorg

<TheSheep> gumpo: ah, maybe your monitor doesn't support more, or your computer thinks it doesn;t

<cellofellow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

<gumpo> i'll try that.

<TheSheep> gumpo: try setting the correct refresh rates for your monitor

<cellofellow> there's a section in there about resolution modes.

<PuMpErNiCkEl> Yeah, the modelines will let you more precisely define the abilities of your monitor.

<gumpo> Well i just told it all the right data, but the display settings screen still only shows 800x600 and 640x480. Do i need to restart for the settings to take effect?

<TheSheep> just kill the X

<cellofellow> you do need to restart X. ctrl+alt+bkspc

<TheSheep> with alt+ctrl+backspace

<gumpo> yeah, thats what i meant. thanks for the help guys.

<gumpo> Worked perfectly! thanks a bunch guys.

<Commander-Crowe> hey all

* cellofellow *salutes*

* Commander-Crowe salutes back to cellofellow

<cellofellow> :)

<phlasphy> :)

<Commander-Crowe> :)

<phlasphy> i have a question :(

<phlasphy> oops lol

<cellofellow> !ask

<ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)

<phlasphy> !ask | cellofellow

<ubotu> cellofellow: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)

<phlasphy> :)

<phlasphy> sorry

<cellofellow> what is it phlasphy?

<phlasphy> but i was wondering if i can get a creative mp3 player to read as an external HDD

<cellofellow> it doesn't when you plug it in?

<cellofellow> should show as a usb drive

<phlasphy> i dont have it yet :)

<cellofellow> let's see what ubotu says

<cellofellow> !creative

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about creative - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<phlasphy> i am thinking about it for XMAS

<cellofellow> !ipod

<ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto

<cellofellow> It shouldn't be exact but close.

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> ok thanks

<phlasphy> also what is VMWARE?

<cellofellow> it's a Virtual Machine (hardware emulation) product.

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> so i can emulate windows on linux ?

<Commander-Crowe> yes

<cellofellow> you can emulate another PC on Linux, and then run Windows, Mac, Linux, anything-that-strikes-you-fancy in it.

<Commander-Crowe> and vis versa

<Commander-Crowe> I use Amorok for my iPod

<phlasphy> awesome

<Commander-Crowe> works great

<phlasphy> so i can emulate windows to run DVD-RB and CCE?

<Commander-Crowe> yes

<cellofellow> DVD burning will be iffy, but if you can burn to an image then burn that with linux should be fine.

<phlasphy> cellofellow, i only want to shrink it then burn it with linux :) will that work

<cellofellow> be warned: software pretending to be hardware is slow, and the software running on the hardware will be real slow.

<Commander-Crowe> yeah

<phlasphy> :(

<cellofellow> dual-core chip helps a lot

<phlasphy> does wine work faster?

<cellofellow> sometimes, in theory always.

<cellofellow> faster != better

<phlasphy> so wine does not emulate hardware?

<cellofellow> no, it makes a bunch of windows runtime files available to windows programs on linux, but they still run on the real hardware.

<phlasphy> so it should work better?

<cellofellow> faster != better

<cellofellow> you'll get more compatibility with an emulator.

<phlasphy> ok

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<cellofellow> I suggest W2K if the program you want can run on that. It's lighter somewhat than XP.

<Commander-Crowe> I found a girl who's into computers and lives near by

<cellofellow> cool

<phlasphy> lol lucky you Commander-Crowe

<Commander-Crowe> Never thought it would happen

<phlasphy> W2K

<cellofellow> windows 2000

<phlasphy> cellofellow, is it more stable because XP is really crap ATM

<cellofellow> Not really. It's just lighter on CPU and memory and you want every bit you can get if you are emulating.

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> i swam with sharks the other day :)

<phlasphy> at seaworld

<cellofellow> But if you do wine it's sometimes great and sometimes aweful.

<cellofellow> cool.

<phlasphy> ok cellofellow

<cellofellow> try wine first

<phlasphy> the hammer head was the best one

<cellofellow> there's also QEMU, a free emulator.

<phlasphy> cellofellow, how much slower is it likely to be?

<phlasphy> on emulationd

<phlasphy> on emulation

<cellofellow> If it's a little faster than QEMU, about 50%

<phlasphy> ok so if it usually takes 4 hours?

<phlasphy> it would take how long

<phlasphy> 6 ?

<cellofellow> 6-8

<phlasphy> aww man

<cellofellow> cause the CPU intensive app sends jobs to a fake CPU that has to translate that into a real CPU.

<phlasphy> :( ok

<phlasphy> that is a reason to dual boot :)

<cellofellow> I think VMware has a way of figuring out that the guest architecture is the same as the host and using less translating.

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> Sometimes you have x86 on SPARC, or PPC on x86 and that absolutely needs translation.

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> IF that's the case, look at 75-80%.

<cellofellow> much better.

<cellofellow> just try it. :)

<phlasphy> i know this is off topic but what is the most stable windows ?

<phlasphy> xp is crashing alot ATM

<cellofellow> Probably a fresh, carefully tended XP or 2000 or Server 2003.

<cellofellow> Never a non-NT windows, or older than 2000.

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> ok ty

<cellofellow> Server 2003 probably. Newer base than XP, but same interface as 2000.

<cellofellow> But that's $$$$

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> YOu can pic up 2K for like $20 on eBay.

<phlasphy> cellofellow, ok

<cellofellow> well, it's 1am I'm going to bed.

<cellofellow> n8

<somerville32> 4am here :]

<phlasphy> 7pm here :P

<Commander-Crowe> 12 AM here

<Commander-Crowe> OMG she messaged me back

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<phlasphy> rofl

<Commander-Crowe> eh

<Commander-Crowe> I should first wait a few weeks before flirting with her huh?

<somerville32> ...?

<Commander-Crowe> eh...ok

<Commander-Crowe> bf2?

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<Commander-Crowe> battlefield 2?

<nante> greets

<Commander-Crowe> hi nante

<nante> hello

<nante> how do i reconfigure my cdrom drive?

<nante> xubuntu cannot access it but my windows can

<nante> something about block i/o error

<maxamillion> i can't stay long ... uber study time for finals, but i had to drop a link .... http://www.ztechshop.net/computers/minikin/ ... anyone notice what distro they are running??!@?$~%

<maxamillion> ok ... gotta run ,... <3 all

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<martin__> i have been trying to unrar some files with Xarchiver but I get an error message that says that i have not got the right archiver installed, i have installed the package unrar (non-free) but still it wont work..

<TheSheep> martin__: try installing rar

<martin__> Ahh, now it works, thanks..

<martin__> ok, i have mounted a second harddrive in my filesystem how should i chmod the mountpoint to make the entire drive with all subfolders read and writeble for all users? is'nt it chmod -R 777 "foldername" ???

<TheSheep> martin__: no, you need to give a parameter when mounting

<TheSheep> umask=777

<TheSheep> sry, not umask

<TheSheep> :/

* TheSheep reads man mount

<martin__> yeah well i have set the disk to mount automatically in the "i dont remember the name of the file.conf"

<martin__> ahh, yes fstab..

<martin__> is it possible to add this umask=777 to fstab?

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<echosystm> xterm, synaptic, and a few other progs dont come up in my xfce menu :(

<echosystm> any ideas?

<echosystm> i have to put them in the menu manually

<echosystm> which sucks

* NamelessJon twiddles thumbs, waits for compilation to complete.

* echosystm twiddles thumbs, waits for answer

<echosystm> :P

<NamelessJon> Sorry, echosystm. I don't have any ideas

<echosystm> ok

<echosystm> thanks anyways

<echosystm> any idea how to get a home icon on my desktop? :P

<NamelessJon> right click on it. Create URL link

<echosystm> i just get the programs menu when i right click

<echosystm> lol

<NamelessJon> Okay, temporarily go to desktop settings->behaviour and uncheck the 'show desktop menu on right click'

<echosystm> ah

<echosystm> cool

<echosystm> thankyou :)

<NamelessJon> then you can make a URL link to file:///home/yourhome/

<echosystm> yup

<echosystm> got it

<echosystm> thanks!!! :D

<NamelessJon> no worries

<echosystm> the shutdown button doesnt work

<echosystm> would installing gdm fix that?

<JKnife> Gloubiboulga: ping?

<Gloubiboulga> JKnife: hello

<JKnife> hiya

<JKnife> it is about the xfdesktop4 bug

<Gloubiboulga> the gimp related bug?

<JKnife> i posted the EXACT settings i used to get feisty to stop managing the desktop

<JKnife> no.. my bug

<JKnife> <-- Wesley

* Gloubiboulga tries to remember

<Gloubiboulga> the menu bug then, right ?

<JKnife> =\ and funny thing is i tried to attach a screenshot but it didn't attach

<JKnife> yeah

<JKnife> i forgot to say i also had the desktop icons off also

<Gloubiboulga> JKnife: booting my feisty machine

<JKnife> ok

<Gloubiboulga> ah

<Gloubiboulga> reproducable but with "show window...middle click" unchecked

<Gloubiboulga> hum, no

<Gloubiboulga> reproducable anytime now

<JKnife> wee.. so i am NOT insane

<Gloubiboulga> hehe :)

<JKnife> and i think i know why it is doing it.. and where in the code.. well sorta

<Gloubiboulga> random bugs... my favourites

<Gloubiboulga> oh, nice :)

<JKnife> this big did not appear until they added the icon menu.. so i do not think it is falling back from there to and it is causing it to crash

<HeathenDan> is it just me or does the ooffice icons too big in xub?

<JKnife> edgy?

* JKnife may stop by #lunaranime to reget bartender

<Gloubiboulga> JKnife: I need to uncheck/check "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" to make it crash actually

<JKnife> ?

<JKnife> one sec

* JKnife runs it from the console

<JKnife> i got a seg fault the way i kept making it crash

<JKnife> and i was right.. it is trying to talk to thunar(for the icon menu) but it is not running and seg faults xfdesktop

<Gloubiboulga> hum, ok

* JKnife cries as he has to make a choice on icons or menu.. both he hates

<JKnife> HeathenDan: what version does the icons look too big in?

<HeathenDan> open office 2.04

<HeathenDan> the toolbar icons

<JKnife> Edgy? Dapper? Feisty?

* JKnife guesses edgy

<HeathenDan> edgy, yes

<JKnife> yeah.. they did change there layout and i hate it.. it just makes me use AbiWord more

<HeathenDan> abiword is ok, but i have to bring home stuff from the office. and abiword doesn't like docs with too many tables and charts

<JKnife> yeah =\

<HeathenDan> and oddly enough, abiword (in windows) doesn't load some of the installed fonts (like cg times)

* JKnife shrugs

<JKnife> it is perfect for my case studies and other collage papers i have to write

<HeathenDan> i thought so too... too bad i finished school in the 90s

<JKnife> hehe

<JKnife> well it is my turn now..

<HeathenDan> have fun... i do envy the kids today... all these open source goodies

<JKnife> yeah.. i mean.. we have compiz :)

<JKnife> (which is now faster then beryl)

* JKnife loves compiz-freedesktop-xfce

<JKnife> ok.. shower time

<kalikiana> hi there :)

<JKnife> hi kaptengu

<JKnife> hi kalikiana *

<kalikiana> hi JKnife

<quad3datwork2> too bad i'm on p3 500mhz w/ ati rago pro 128.... can't run compiz

<kalikiana> there is xfwm4 :)

<quad3datwork2> lol, someone in office fell asleep, falls over backwards and broke the chair's leg

<JKnife> quad3datwork2: ummm

<JKnife> Hostname: B14cKh013 - OS: Linux 2.6.19-7-generic/i586 - CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (334.102 MHz) - Processes: 92 - Uptime: 2d 11h 15m - Load Average: 0.08 - Memory Usage: 127.77MB/249.79MB (51.15%) - Disk Usage: 2.44GB/147.49GB (1.65%)

<JKnife> your pc is better then mine

<JKnife> can the rage use the fglrx driver?

<JKnife> if so.. you can run compiz or beryl

<JKnife> ok.. time for warrock

<quad3datwork2> no, it can't

<JKnife> laptop or desktop?

<JKnife> desktop go buy a 10$ nvidia carcd.. GF4 work wonders with compiz

<kaptengu> hi JKnife

<quad3datwork2> it's desktop. i dont think company would let me buy any parts for this PoS

<quad3datwork2> what command did you run to get that sys info?

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<JKnife> quad3datwork2: it is a script for irssi

<quad3datwork2> oh ok

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* kalikiana 's firefox froze the whole machine because of an animated gif with 1200px

<kalikiana> damnit

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<HeathenDan> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ @ 1.92GHz] mem[Physical : 1011MB, 79.7% free] disk[Total : 482.89GB, 22.90% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]] sound[]

<Shotglass> anyone there?

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<TheSheep> do you guys know of a window manager that allows you to have the "application's menu" displayed at the top of the screen, not at the top of the window, just like in macs?

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: you happen to be online? *g*

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm *always* online ;)

<hyper_ch> hmm, you remember a couple of days I asked about items not showing on the desktop?

<hyper_ch> anyway, then you told me that feisty xfce hasn't got that problem anymore

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: well, it has a lot of xfdesktop's bugs fixed

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: so I updated to feisty... worked fine except for two reboots later when it couldn't find /dev/hda6 anymore (root partition)

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: you've got that on festy now?

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: so I reinstalled edgy again

<hyper_ch> however now at bootup I see for a few seconds everything on the desktop

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: ah, I had that!

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: and then it just vanishes... now I don't see anything anymore on the desktop

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: F5 doesn't help either

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: they upgraded the kernel, and new kernel has no hda anymore, all disks are sdX

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: obviously xfdesktop crashes

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: what's taht about sdX?

<TheSheep> sda instead of hda

<TheSheep> etc.

<TheSheep> that's why it coudn;t find your / partition

<TheSheep> I imagine they will have some conversion script on upgrade

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: so how to get feisty and "correct" the partition scheme?

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: or how to fix that fdesktop crash?

<TheSheep> change all hda, hdb, etc to sda, sdb, in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: at which point to change that?

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: no idea *why* xfdesktop crashed, but you can run it again, alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop'

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: just after upgrading the kernel, before reboot

<hyper_ch> running xfdesktop again helped :)

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: btw, are you also familiar with mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail?

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: no idea what's that :)

<hyper_ch> enigmail is a gpg plugin for thunderbird :)

<hyper_ch> and I removed my backups before I restored all data

<hyper_ch> hence my keys and revocation keys are gone :(

<hyper_ch> *stupid me*

<TheSheep> have fun guessing them now

<TheSheep> you should be done until the ond of next millenium, I think

<TheSheep> s/ond/end

<hyper_ch> or is there a way to restore deleted folders/files?

<TheSheep> if you did that under thunar in feisty, then they are in the trash

<TheSheep> if you deleted them from the console -- gone

<hyper_ch> Nope

<hyper_ch> the backups were on a different partition

<hyper_ch> and I deleted those files with konqueror in edgy

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: if it's fat then you can undelete them

<hyper_ch> it's ext3

<TheSheep> gone

<TheSheep> and overwrittn

<TheSheep> hmm...

<hyper_ch> overwritten?

<hyper_ch> I tend to think that delete only deletes the toc entry but not the data itself

<hyper_ch> at least that's the concept in windoze

<TheSheep> yes, ext3 uses a stack of free disk blocks -- this means that most recently freed block are reused first

<TheSheep> ext3 works differently -- that's why you don't need to defragment it

<hyper_ch> ok :)

<TheSheep> they decided that creating/writing to files should be fast, and deleting files can be slow

<hyper_ch> do you need to defrag ntfs? Never done that

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: I think you do

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<TheSheep> hyper_ch: comparsion of differences in inner workings of filesystems is interesting

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: I guess that's why above my head :)

<hyper_ch> I just think the concept of hardlinks is really cool... that's what I use for backups :)

<hyper_ch> ntfs doesn't have such a thing I think

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: if you know some characteristic content of a file you look, and the file is shorter than one block (512lkb, I think), then you might be able to recover it

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: just grep the raw device for that string

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: hmm, what do you mean by characteristic content?

<TheSheep> some text that's there

<TheSheep> in the file

<hyper_ch> and what's 512lkb?

<TheSheep> 512KB, sorry

<TheSheep> half a megabyte

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: hmmm, just generating anyother pair... I think they are smaller than 512kb

<TheSheep> yes

<hyper_ch> maybe the email address is plaintext in the key

<TheSheep> look at the generated file

<hyper_ch> will do so :)

<cellofellow> On the Windows computers here at home we have AVG Free 7.1. I was going to upgrade to 7.5, but what's ClamAV like?

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<cellofellow> anywone?

<cellofellow> anyone*

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: I added seveas repo for getting the win32codecs... do I need to alter the edgy also to feisty there or won't it matter?

<cellofellow> 3rd party repo's won't necessarily have a Fiesty repo yet.

* cellofellow just noticed that there's an RPM of AVG on the website. What good will that do?

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: well, the w32codecs stays installed, no matter if you remove the repo or change it

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: ok :)

<cellofellow> they end up in the Obselete and Locally Created Packages section.

<cellofellow> In aptitude

<hyper_ch> is sucha repo file ok? http://www.phpfi.com/184548 --> I deleted the deb-src entries and combined the main restricted with the universe multiverse ones

<cellofellow> yeah, that's fine.

<cellofellow> as long as it works.

<hyper_ch> good goot :) thx

<hyper_ch> hmmm, I get some Ign :(

<TheSheep> do you guys know any way to heve the application's menu moved from the top of the window to the top of the screen?

<JKnife> TheSheep: KDE allows you yo have the menu at the top of the screen.. i forgot howto do it though

<JKnife> like the File menu right?

<JKnife> if so yeah kde can

<TheSheep> :(

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: right-click on it and then move it down?

<TheSheep> JKnife: what window manager kde uses?

<hyper_ch> works for me

<hyper_ch> sorry

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: ?

<JKnife> TheSheep: i do not know how it does it.. i just know it can.. not sure if it is Kwin or not

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: I thought you mean something else :)

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: but I have no clue what you mean :)

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: ever seen macos?

<kkaisare> TheSheep: Greetings

<TheSheep> kkaisare: hello

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: hmmm, my roommate got a new mac notebook

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: see how macs do it -- the 'File Edit View ...' menu is not in the app's window, but at the top of the screen instead

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: haven't had a look at it yet... he got it on saturday and I'm too busy writing some papers for university :)

<JKnife> TheSheep: i will look.. but afaik kde is the only one =\

<TheSheep> .oO( maybe enlightment )

<JKnife> nope

<JKnife> not in .16 or .17

<TheSheep> strange

<TheSheep> it's advocated by usability experts since years

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: btw, which port does apt use for retrieving the packages? Do you know?

<cellofellow> 80 usually

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: 80 or 21, depends whether it's ftp or http

<cellofellow> 21 if you use ftp

<JKnife> hyper_ch: http or ftp or rsync

<TheSheep> ftp might also need 22

<TheSheep> 23

<TheSheep> sorry

<TheSheep> 22 is ssh

<TheSheep> JKnife: how do I install e17 on ubuntu?

<cellofellow> you have to use their repo.

<JKnife> TheSheep: get the repos from edevelop.org

<JKnife> or build your own from source...

<cellofellow> This aint Gentoo

<JKnife> (it has all the debian stuff needed just run dpkg-buildpackage)

<JKnife> cellofellow: ohh really?

<hyper_ch> I guess it uses http :) thx :)

<JKnife> umm.. i must have missed that memo

<cellofellow> j/k around JKnife

<JKnife> as was i... gah it is no fun if you do that

<cellofellow> sorry. I'l keep it going next time.

<JKnife> ok

<JKnife> TheSheep: http://linuxgangster.org/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=15

<JKnife> =\ looks like kde is better then gnome yet again

<hyper_ch> JKnife: when I tried kde on edgy I always got the error "could not launch .KDEinit" or something like that... after a few days I changed to Xfce :)

<burner> and xfce > KDE :)

<JKnife> burner: EvilWM > *

<JKnife> or.. are we comparing DEs

<fontppp> what's the command line screenshot utility that i apt-getted? I forgot the name...

<burner> whatever, it's about apps... not a WM :)

<JKnife> fontppp: scrot?

<burner> fontppp, gsnapshot possibly?

<burner> fontppp, there's an applet for xfce's panel you can use

<JKnife> he said command line,,

<JKnife> gsnapshot is commandline?

<burner> aww... i've used import via command line

<fontppp> ah, scrot

<fontppp> yeah, i remember it had a humorous one syllable name

<JKnife> hehe

<cellofellow> screen rulez (back to WM wars)

<cellofellow> screen is sort of a window manager, just not X.

<JKnife> yes it is..

<JKnife> but evilwm is cooler

<JKnife> if you like screen try ION3

<hyper_ch> what's evilwm?

<JKnife> i am no longer using beryl =\

<JKnife> hyper_ch: evil

<JKnife> !evilwm

<ubotu> evilwm: a minimalist window manager for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.21-1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 104 kB

<cellofellow> it's like tiny. nothing but evil liitle window borders.

<JKnife> only 104kB.. it is so sexy and small.. like a asian chick

<hyper_ch> JKnife: hmmm, I rather prefer an asian chick than just "104kb"

<nerv_> Ciao a tutti

<nerv_> hi

<hyper_ch> va bene nerv_?

<nerv_> cosa? :O

<JKnife> o.O what language is that?

<nerv_> italian, sorry

<JKnife> ohh it is ok..

<hyper_ch> I was only asking with my humble italian :)

<nerv_> is an auto onjoin message

<nerv_> ^^

<nerv_> so guys, im trying to install xubuntu :°D

<nerv_> i installed the server with ubuntu

<hyper_ch> trying to?

<JKnife> ain't we all

<nerv_> after i installed xfce

<nerv_> now if i do startx

<hyper_ch> server... ubuntu.... hmmm.....

<JKnife> just install xubuntu-desktop

<hyper_ch> sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop

<nerv_> something go wrong, i need to start the x server in low resolution

<hyper_ch> or install xubuntu (desktop) and then add server services :)

<cellofellow> :(

<JKnife> ahh try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'

<nerv_> i try ^^ ty

<JKnife> and be sure to install xubuntu-desktop

<nerv_> but now it start automatically the x server....

<nerv_> how to write that? :/

<hyper_ch> btw, anyone knows what the acutal difference is when I change the repositories to feisty and use "apt-get upgrade" instead of "apt-get dist-upgrade"?

<JKnife> if you install xubuntu-desktop it will also install gdm which will start on boot

<JKnife> hyper_ch: umm system needed packages.. ie the kernel

<JKnife> kernel and other packages are needed for dist-upgrade

<JKnife> dist-upgrade is needed for kernel and other packages*

<JKnife> why is he upgrading to feisty?

<JKnife> why are you upgrading to feisty?

<JKnife> do you want feista?

<hyper_ch> JKnife: I had it upgraded before

<hyper_ch> and then got a "small" error

<hyper_ch> but it was running fine :)

<JKnife> hehe

<hyper_ch> and the desktop-refresh-bug is annoying in edgy

<nerv_> i cant go in the shell....

<JKnife> nerv_: you can run it from XTerm

<JKnife> hyper_ch: feisty has bugs..

<JKnife> and it is annoying me..

<hyper_ch> JKnife: what bugs?

<nerv_> no... when the x server starts, it goes out resolution... so i need to go in the shell before it starts :D

* JKnife just uses his desktop to list open programs in all workspaces..

<JKnife> ahh

<JKnife> nerv_: press ctl+alt+bkspace

<JKnife> if you started with startx

<JKnife> it will go into standby mode

<JKnife> just press a key and VT glory!!

<hyper_ch> JKnife: btw, I have written some auto-setup scripts with my normal appz... so a total re-install won't take longer than 2h before everything is running as before again :)

<JKnife> hyper_ch: the bug i was talking about that annoys me is

<JKnife> Bug #74223

<Ubug2> Malone bug 74223 in xfdesktop4 "Desktop not managed (Feisty)" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74223

* JKnife cusses that bug out

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<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> did i do that?

<cellofellow> lol

<JKnife> bbl

* JKnife goes plays css

<hyper_ch> whats css again?

<JKnife> counter strike source

<hyper_ch> ah

<hyper_ch> never played cs(s)

<blackhero> hi hi hi ppl =)

<hyper_ch> hihi

<hyper_ch> I mean hi hi :)

<blackhero> :D

<blackhero> am are using xubuntu for first time :D

<cellofellow> sweet

<blackhero> my english is very bad :P

<blackhero> where u from?

<cellofellow> Utah

<blackhero> cool =)

<blackhero> i from argentina :P

<cellofellow> nice

<blackhero> all ppl here use xfce4 ?

<cellofellow> most. Not sure what JKnife uses.

<blackhero> any ppl here have a GUI for look other sistems in the network?

<hyper_ch> JKnife: is hard core shell user

<blackhero> in xfce

<blackhero> any ppl here have a GUI for look other sistems in the network in xfce4 desktop?

<hyper_ch> blackhero: konqueror

<cellofellow> NO KDE

<blackhero> konqueror is a package free?

<hyper_ch> cellofellow: I like konqueror :)

<cellofellow> blackhero: what were you thinking?

<cellofellow> hello maxamillion

<maxamillion> hello cellofellow

<maxamillion> cellofellow: what are the specs of your home server (if you don't mind my asking)

<cellofellow> one sec... :)

<maxamillion> k

<cellofellow> Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Sarge

<cellofellow> Kernel: Linux 2.4.27-3-586tsc

<cellofellow> Intel Pentium 167MHz 32M of Memory

<cellofellow> server1.local

<cellofellow> really low

<maxamillion> cellofellow: you running lighttpd on it i assume?

<cellofellow> no, apache2. stupid huh?

<hyper_ch> cellofellow: if it works :)

<maxamillion> cellofellow: this is what i was going to buy to play with as my home server but i was going to add a little ram to it ... http://www.ztechshop.net/computers/sub-100/

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, if it aint broke, don't fix it

<blackhero> ppl i need get konqueror

* cellofellow looks

<maxamillion> blackhero: then install it

<cellofellow> then sudo aptitude install konqueror

<blackhero> TY :D

<blackhero> i love u so much =)*

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i just need something small that will sit on my desk out of the way but that i can play with for fun

<cellofellow> maxamillion: that is so cool. Now I know what I want for christmas. :)

<maxamillion> cellofellow: and that sub-100 is the cheapest i can find

<maxamillion> :)

<hyper_ch> what's so cool about it?

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: its little and cheap

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: and ships with linux distro of your choice installed

<maxamillion> also notice that they offer xubuntu by default ... http://www.ztechshop.net/computers/minikin/

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: wht would you need that for?

<cellofellow> My little brothers got my "server" for $20 at a yard sale. It had windows 95 which did work but promtly died for some reason. I used puppy for a while then net-installed Debian.

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: need what? ... the sub-100?

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: yeppa

<cellofellow> maxamillion: Debian so much better for servers than *ubuntu IMHO.

<cellofellow> I still love ubuntu.

* hyper_ch likes his debian box in Germany :)

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: a small home web server that will sit on my computer desk and not take up much space but will allow me to play with some web development stuffs while i learn python and css

<hyper_ch> I just tend to look debian as server os and ubuntu as desktop op

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i agree, my servers run debian

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: that's how i view it

<hyper_ch> btw, who know: http://www.howtoforge.com ? *g*

<maxamillion> i actually just posted about that on the forum yesterday

<blackhero> i can use konqueror but i have using xubuntu in my laptop? i lose xfce and replace to konqueror????????????

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: what about it?

<cellofellow> Some people have a Debian==Server Ubuntu==Desktop view, and a lot of companies have a RHEL==Server and Windows==Desktop view.

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: well, I have rented a server in Germany... so no need for a small home webserver :)

<maxamillion> blackhero: no

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: you know that iste?

<hyper_ch> iste --> site

<blackhero> why?

<cellofellow> konqueror is a file manager/web browser like Explorer.

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: ah, yeah ... i have a web server online now but i am about to take it down because i can't afford the bandwidth charges

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: oh yeah, love it

<blackhero> cellofellow say me sudo aptitude install konqueror

<maxamillion> blackhero: wait, what?

<blackhero> is ready installing now

<maxamillion> blackhero: yeah, that installs konqueror

<blackhero> but i have xubuntu

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: when are you going to write a howto for it :)

<maxamillion> blackhero: that doesn't matter ... konqueror is just a program, it will work on xubuntu

<hyper_ch> blackhero: konqueror won't replace Xfce...

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: for what?

<cellofellow> blackhero: konqueror is just one program, It's a file manager/web browser like M$ Explorer.

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: dunno... for something that's not there yet :)

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: ah, lol ... i dunno

<cellofellow> I have DNS, DHCP, CUPS, Apache, and Samba on my server, and OpenSSH for remote control.

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: I just love that site.. I learned so much about running a webserver...

<maxamillion> cellofellow: all with only 32mb of ram?

<cellofellow> yeah

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: oh yeah, its the greatest

<maxamillion> cellofellow: that's impressive

<cellofellow> CGI is a little slow, that's why I'm sticking with straight HTML.

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: those howtos by falko are just so impressive... everybody can follow them :) it's just copy and paste... and sometimes a tiny bit thinking

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> cellofellow: fair enough

<cellofellow> I do have a Perl CGI wiki, but each page takes lik 6 seconds to generate.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i like the wiki though and i must say, for such an old machine your website is very responsive

<hyper_ch> cellofellow: when will you add php/mysql?

<cellofellow> when I get more CPU and RAM and HD.

<cellofellow> This desktop I'm using will be my server, when I get a new one.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: what are the specs of the machine you are on?

<cellofellow> Hostname: josh-desktop - OS: Linux 2.6.17-10-386/i686 - CPU: Pentium III (Katmai) (449.015 MHz) - Processes: 97 - Uptime: 19h 47m - Load Average: 2.35 - Memory Usage: 106.71mb/313.51mb (34.04%) - Disk Usage: 10.50gb/58.86gb (17.84%)

<hyper_ch> blackhero: still here?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: that's a respectable machine ... i had a 1ghz p3 coppermine w/ 256mb of ram for 5 years and i only replaced it because the mobo died last summer and i couldn't justify fixing it when building something newer and better was so cheap

<cellofellow> I really like this. I got it free from a family friend.

<maxamillion> nice

<cellofellow> I keep getting new bits. New speakers, new hard drives. Zip drives.

<cellofellow> I think this thing is about maxed out.

<maxamillion> yeah, i ran debian+gnome on that p3 for all 5 of those years and never had a problem ... in 5 years i never had to re-install anything

<cellofellow> I've reinstalled about 5 times but all cause of my own stupidity.

<maxamillion> then i found xfce and then migrated to xubuntu

<maxamillion> :)

<cellofellow> Is Debian's XFCE not so good?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: its the same, just without some of the custom configuration

<cellofellow> OK. The custom stuff is what I was talking about. I don't know how much the dev team changes stuff.

<maxamillion> like when you use gaim and someone im's you and the panel blinks, that didn't happen in debian without configuration

* cellofellow doesn'

<cellofellow> t use gaim

* maxamillion does sometimes

<cellofellow> I keep hitting enter when I reach for '

<maxamillion> but in reality, xfce is so modular that you can really change it to suite any needs in almost any implementation

<cellofellow> :) It's cool. Almost as light as Fluxbox and other all-in-one lightweight WM's, yet as modular as GNOME.

<maxamillion> yup yup

<maxamillion> all the speed of a WM with all the features of a DE :)

<maxamillion> bleh ... everything on the forums seems to be gnome centric today

<cellofellow> there's a xubuntu-specific forum somewhere but I forget where.

<burner> any of y'all try the latest exaile beta? It fails on my pc so i went back to 0.26

<maxamillion> lol ... ----> http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3890821914.html

<maxamillion> cellofellow: www.xubuntu.info

<maxamillion> cellofellow: but nobody ever posts

<cellofellow> I see.

<maxamillion> burner: what is exaile?

<cellofellow> maxamillion: is that article the Debian server one?

<cellofellow> exaile is GTK

<cellofellow> 's answer to Amarok

<cellofellow> it

<cellofellow> 's sweet

<cellofellow> GAH!

<burner> ^---what he/she said

<cellofellow> he thankyou

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah

<cellofellow> since when were girls fellow's anyway?

<maxamillion> !enter

<ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!

<maxamillion> :P

<cellofellow> thanks, but this is unintentional

<cellofellow> maxamillion: I dug that article.

<burner> my fellow people

<cellofellow> that's a different context.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i don't actually care because there is very little traffic in here and i know you are not a channel spammer, but i just couldn't resist :P

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> I've used the same keyboard for a while now and only the past week I've been having this problem

<maxamillion> yeah, that happened to me the first week we got new keyboards at work because it is low profile and has a "comfort curve" to the layout ... which is now more comfortable, but at first was just annoying

<cellofellow> Mine's a keyboard that imitates a laptop. Touchpad, small footprint.

<maxamillion> wow .. MySQL dropped debian support ... looks like i need to find a new sql database

<hyper_ch> hmmm

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: what???

<cellofellow> Ubuntu probably won't do that.

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: url?

<cellofellow> Ubuntu server seems ok. Debian with commercial support.

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/12/13/1515217.shtml

<hyper_ch> isn't quite a large number of linux servers debian based?

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: very large number

<phlasphy> hey all

<phlasphy> JKnife, hey

<maxamillion> hi hi

<cellofellow> there are two systems that everything else is based off of, in practice: RedHat and Debian.

<cellofellow> there are others of course, but SuSE, Mandrake, Ubuntu, Linspire. C'mon.

<phlasphy> i am downloading a iso can i put it on a DVD or must it go on a CD?

<cellofellow> CD's cheaper.

<hyper_ch> hmmm, how can I see what is using so much bandwidth on my router?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: well SuSE is a redhat port actually and so is mandrake ... then ubuntu and linspire are debian dirived

<maxamillion> hyper_ch: what kind of router?

<phlasphy> cellofellow, i have no CD's though?

<hyper_ch> maxamillion: linksys with dd-wrt

<cellofellow> um, I don't know. Try it.

<phlasphy> ok

<maxamillion> phlasphy: it _should_ work on a DVD as long a your burn it as an image not as a file

<phlasphy> yeah

<phlasphy> thanks

<maxamillion> np

<phlasphy> we get uncapped on the 16th :)

<maxamillion> uncapped?

<phlasphy> internet is shaped atm

<maxamillion> ahhh ok

<phlasphy> it sucks

<maxamillion> i sorry

<cellofellow> I didn't know MySQL even sold support. I'd be more likely to go the the distro vendor that I downloaded the software from than MySQL for support. Like Canonical.

<maxamillion> my internet is just inconsistent ... :/

<phlasphy> maxamillion, what speed?

<maxamillion> maxamillion: they claim 4mbps i probably get 1.5

<cellofellow> Mine is consistently slow. 256kbps ADSL.

<maxamillion> lol

<cellofellow> but always 256kbps.

<maxamillion> phlasphy: they claim 4mbps i probably get 1.5 *******

<maxamillion> <----- noob

* burner has seen torrent download speeds of 600 kB/s :)

<phlasphy> i get 1500/256 for the first 12GB up/down combined then 64/64

<burner> 12 gb goes fast when watching cspan.org :)

<maxamillion> oh ... my server gets 40mbps fiber line at a level 3 colocation, but i can't afford the bandwidth anymore

<cellofellow> I get 256 up/down no limits.

<cellofellow> your hobby server?

<phlasphy> cellofellow, how much would you download a month?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah

<burner> maxamillion, just host a bad ass website and sign up for google adwords :)

<cellofellow> me? no idea.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: but since we are taking it down i need a home server for play

<phlasphy> cellofellow, i am on 20GB atm

<phlasphy> not much :(

<maxamillion> burner: lol, not a bad idea

<cellofellow> Since my DSL is so slow I suppose the ISP saw no reason to bother with limits.

<phlasphy> rofl

<maxamillion> phlasphy: that's more than you need ... i have massive hdds in everything but i have never used more than 10gb under linux

<cellofellow> I've never tried tracking my download.

<maxamillion> phlasphy: as a desktop anyways

<phlasphy> i am thinking about getting a pmp for XMAS

<T`> does it run linux ;) ?

<phlasphy> no T

<phlasphy> i dont think so

<T`> heh ok

<maxamillion> a pmp?

<phlasphy> portable media player

<burner> i like the creative zen's

<phlasphy> i dont know which one to get :(

<cellofellow> get one with Ogg Vorbis support.

<burner> the iaudio's have ogg vorbis

<phlasphy> cellofellow, well the iaudio has flac and ogg support

<burner> but it's hard drive, not flash :\

<phlasphy> i want a HDD

<phlasphy> well i think i do

<phlasphy> burner, what is the differance

<cellofellow> Flash is more $$ per MB but is smaller and faster and doesn't EVER skip.

<burner> hdd are typically bigger for cheaper, and bigger physically. flash is lighter, smaller, no moving parts, longer battery life, just freakin cool ;)

<phlasphy> ok what is the max flash these days

<cellofellow> biggest I've seen Flash-based players is like 2GB.

<cellofellow> maybe 4

<phlasphy> i remember my 256mb iriver

<burner> 8 gb

<phlasphy> i thought it was 8

<burner> it is

<phlasphy> ok

* burner has 128 megs :)

<phlasphy> burner, that would fit about 5 flac songs on it :P

<phlasphy> so what is the highest quality brand ???

<cellofellow> a 60GB HDD based player is a better bet.

<phlasphy> cellofellow, i was going for 30 or 20

<burner> ipods are decent, but i hate itunes, apple's drm, and they're stupid faces

<phlasphy> yeah i dont like ipods either

<phlasphy> i prefer to be in the minority :)

<burner> creative zen's are ok... recently got amarok support... not sure if they work in rhythmbox or exaile or listen or whatever your media player is

<cellofellow> iPod's with alternative Linux OS is cool.

<phlasphy> on windows atm

<burner> i have an older creative that just shows up as a mounted hard drive

<burner> ipods with linux suck at battery life

<cellofellow> really?

<burner> really

<phlasphy> if i got a ipod i was going to put rockbox on it

<burner> i've heard not great things

<phlasphy> about rockbox ?

<cellofellow> iPod battery life in general I've heard not great things.

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> burner, how much is 8GB flash memory in general

* burner shrugs

<burner> check out sandisk too

<burner> i'm not sure what the linux support is though

<cellofellow> A couple of years ago 8GB of flash, the camera cards, was like 2 grand. Probably $500 now.

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> iaudio supports linux

<burner> canonical needs to get into mp3 players ;)

<cellofellow> Canonical needs to get into hardware period.

<burner> too bad there's not a shopping site via the ubuntu wiki or something

<burner> I'm sure a lot of people have questions about mp3 players and their abilities

<crimsun_> lord no, Canonical -> hardware would be suicide.

<cellofellow> burner: you've got a project for yourself.

<cellofellow> Not selling, just Ubuntu on OEM stuff.

<burner> i like system76.com :)

<burner> they make ubuntu PCs

<phlasphy> burner i want something that looks good and has decent sound quality

<phlasphy> burner, i am thinking about iaudio

<phlasphy> stuff that FLAC : compression level 0/1/2, ~44.1khz, mono/stereo

<phlasphy> i use 8

<burner> i use vbr mp3s at around 192 kbps :)

<phlasphy> when i use mp3's i use V0

<cellofellow> how's life Jester45?

<Jester45> ok

<Jester45> did you ask for update yet?

<cellofellow> update?

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> sorry wrong persion

<cellofellow> :)

<Jester45> im doing good

<quad3datwork2> i kill for living

<quad3datwork2> mt

<phlasphy> the sandisk looks good :0

<burner> wonder if it works well without any config on ubuntu though

<phlasphy> yeah

<phlasphy> ahwell i dont you ubuntu i just come here for your thoughts i like this community

<phlasphy> you = use

<Jester45> burner: wonder if what works

<phlasphy> sandisk mp3 players

<Jester45> they work fine

<burner> through rhythmbox? as a hard drive through nautilus? via amarok?

<cellofellow> Nautlius? What is this #ubuntu?

<Jester45> lol

<burner> s/nautilus/thunar

<Jester45> burner: they act as a usb storage

<burner> neato

<phlasphy> Minimum System Requirements

<phlasphy> * Windows XP

<phlasphy> * Windows Media Player 10+

<phlasphy> * CD-ROM drive

<phlasphy> *

<phlasphy> USB 2.0 port required for hi-speed transfer

<phlasphy> terrible

<burner> i didn't know that, I heard they were MTP devices

<burner> aka "plays for sure"

<burner> aka microsoft crap

<cellofellow> They just connect to WMP, and use M$ DRM.

<phlasphy> does that mean it is bad

<Jester45> burner: in ararok you have to tell aramok where its mounted at

<TheSheep> phlasphy: have you heard the term 'defective by design'?

<burner> MTP devices use a seperate protocol altogether and don't show up as a mounted hard drive

<phlasphy> TheSheep, no

<TheSheep> phlasphy: google it :)

<phlasphy> i see anti-DRM

<cellofellow> hi somerville32

<somerville32> Hey

<TheSheep> hi somerville32

<phlasphy> hi somerville32

<phlasphy> TheSheep, what exactly is DRM?

<cellofellow> It's were the software cripples your player so that you can't do stuff to the music files.

<phlasphy> !DRM

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about DRM - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<phlasphy> do stuff like what?

<cellofellow> backup, copy, modify, attach to Linux.

<cellofellow> etc.

<phlasphy> ahh but isnt that only if i use drm mp3's

<phlasphy> or is it the player

<cellofellow> The player uses Windows Media Player which implements the DRM.

<phlasphy> so you cannot use the player as a flash drive?

<hyper_ch> DRM --> Digital Rights Managment --> Limiting your rights on what you can do with (digital) content

<cellofellow> I don't think so, cause it doesn't mount as a drive, it downloads music to itself using WMP.

<cellofellow> Management of the Rights of the RIAA don't forget,

<phlasphy> stuff that

<burner> phlasphy, if <insert media player or file manager here> has MTP support, then you the device will still work

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> what is the highest capacity non-sandisk or apple mp3 player?

<cellofellow> Google.

<phlasphy> i am in google

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's not about limiting rights. it's about physically limiting things even if you have the right to do them

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: In the end it's limiting your rights :)

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: by trying to take away what you can do

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: no, because you have the right to do it, you just don't have the means, beacuuse the player you bought is defective

<JKnife> hi phlasphy

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: rights are set by goverments, not companies

<phlasphy> hey JKnife

<cellofellow> According to the RIAA you don't have the rights to do what they block you out of.

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: not necessarily as we see

<JKnife> according to the RIAA i am a theif

<cellofellow> Rights are NOT set by governments, they are protected by them.

<cellofellow> or sometimes abused.

<phlasphy> me to

<TheSheep> cellofellow: well, in order to protect them, they first need to define them

<phlasphy> i am stealing right now

<cellofellow> that's not the whole government, tnat's just bills of rights

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: not necessarily either :)

<JKnife> "Command and Conquer 3" WOOHOO

<phlasphy> well by australian standards anyway

<phlasphy> it is illegal to rip a CD to put on a mp3 player here is it there?

<cellofellow> no

<cellofellow> not yet.

<hyper_ch> phlasphy: nope

<cellofellow> ripping to torrent is.

<phlasphy> its stupid

<hyper_ch> phlasphy: even download is not illegal

<phlasphy> where do you live?

<JKnife> brb.. stupid mail company

<hyper_ch> phlasphy: sharing is illegal

<cellofellow> US. Utah.

<phlasphy> hyper_ch, so you can leech

<hyper_ch> phlasphy: useage of copyrighted software is illegal..

<cellofellow> without proper license

<hyper_ch> phlasphy: and usage of mp3s/videos... is sort of a grey zone

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> not here

<hyper_ch> phlasphy: at least right now in Switzerland

<phlasphy> i do it anyway along with most people

<cellofellow> Cool, Switzerland.

<hyper_ch> oh, btw, sharing is not totally illegal itself

<phlasphy> hyper_ch, it is what you share

<hyper_ch> you have the right to give copyright protected materials to family members and close friends

<cellofellow> Let's not talk law here unless there is a lawyer. Who wants to get sued?

<cellofellow> !offtopic

<ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!

<hyper_ch> so there is this interesting service ... calles kangu or something similar

<hyper_ch> cello... there's an "almost" lawyer here :)

<cellofellow> you?

* somerville32 points to #xubuntu-offtopic. :)

<hyper_ch> yes

* cellofellow agrees with cody

<somerville32> But before we head to #xubuntu-offtopic

<somerville32> I need to do something

<somerville32> Watch _very_ closely

<somerville32> Ready?

<phlasphy> so

<somerville32> Did you notice my hostname?

<phlasphy> stays the same?

<cellofellow> looks the same to me.

<phlasphy> * somerville32 (n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32) has left #xubuntu

<phlasphy> * somerville32 (n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32) has joined #xubuntu

<somerville32> Look at what it was when I first joined

<phlasphy> * somerville32 (n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034086016.nb.aliant.net) has joined #xubuntu

<cellofellow> oh, ok

<somerville32> :D

<cellofellow> how is that done?

<JKnife> somerville32 got member status!!!

<phlasphy> somerville32, how did you do that?

* JKnife dances for Cody

<Commander-Crowe> hey guys

<cellofellow> hi Commander-Crowe

<somerville32> I became a member on Tuesday :]

<JKnife> i want one that says "xubuntu/troll/JKnife"

<JKnife> congratz

<hyper_ch> *off to bed* g'night

<phlasphy> nite

* TheSheep found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1586951

* phlasphy gives TheSheep A COOKIE

<maxamillion> TheSheep: that's really cool

<Jester45> Hello

<maxamillion> Jester45: hi hi

<maxamillion> :)

<phlasphy> i am con fused

<Jester45> why

<phlasphy> finding a decent mp3 player

<Jester45> amarok for m

<Jester45> e

<phlasphy> i mean portable

<Jester45> or mplayer or xfmedia

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> ipod

* Jester45 likes his videos

<phlasphy> ok

<Jester45> what kind are you looking for

<phlasphy> i dont know weather i want flash or HDD

<Jester45> big screen little screen no screen?

<phlasphy> welli wanted videos

<Jester45> how much memory 128mb :) 1gb 8gb?

<Jester45> well then get big screened + hdd

<phlasphy> umm 20-390GB

<phlasphy> umm 20-30GB

<Jester45> hehe

<Jester45> 390gb drive for ipod cost like 9million

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> i did not want an ipod

<Jester45> qhy

<phlasphy> i dont like ipods

<Jester45> why

<phlasphy> i just dont

<Jester45> ok

<Jester45> i like them

<phlasphy> \:)

<phlasphy> :)

<Jester45> i getting a new shuffel for christmas

<phlasphy> :(

<phlasphy> i was going to get a mp3 player but i dont know which one to choose

* Jester45 has all ready got it and put music on it then put it back

<phlasphy> :)

<phlasphy> rofl

<phlasphy> @lart Jester45

<phlasphy> i will just get a HDD one :)

<phlasphy> i am thinking about getting an archos 604

<cellofellow> TheSheep: this macbar thing looks cool but the link to it from the forums is broken.

<JKnife> TheSheep: you found a non KDE version

<JKnife> ?

<cellofellow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1586951

<cellofellow> describes it and links to it but link is broken.

<JKnife> ok.. that is just freaking cool

<JKnife> you know the place plugin for compiz right?

<maxamillion> place?

<JKnife> expose

<JKnife> i am running compiz instead of beryl right now

<maxamillion> why?

<cellofellow> he likes Novell.

<JKnife> beryl.. is getting buggy...

<maxamillion> yeah, i will agree with that

<maxamillion> cellofellow: ok, the wiki loaded ... :)

<cellofellow> yeah, I had to manually set my DNS IP again.

* Commander-Crowe is away: Commander-Crowe

<cellofellow> whatcha think?

<JKnife> and it starts with so many plugins.. and makes it REALLY slow.. and if i enable a plugin it messes up my conifg and crashes it

<TheSheep> cellofellow: yeah, I think it's abandoned :(

<TheSheep> cellofellow: it was hacky in the first place -- required a patch on the gtk

<cellofellow> I went to the / of that site and whoever had made that cleared out.

<maxamillion> TheSheep: too bad, its a nice theme

<cellofellow> It did?

<TheSheep> maxamillion: it's not about the theme -- there are throngs like that

<Jester45> can linux use windows codec for videos? or maybe use directx somehow other than wine

<cellofellow> That feature was one of my favorite KDE things. I souped up my mac-alike KDE till it was so slow I decided to go with Xubuntu.

<TheSheep> maxamillion: it's about a panel plugin that displays the app menu

<somerville32> Jester45, There are windows codecs available

<TheSheep> maxamillion: of active app

<cellofellow> w32codecs has lots of stuff.

<TheSheep> Jester45: it can, that's what w32codecs is

<cellofellow> and works sort of like wine, cause it doesn't work on non-x86 archs.

<maxamillion> TheSheep: ohhh .... guess i should have read it :/

<cellofellow> maxamillion: this is weird, conky is taking 95% of CPU.

<cellofellow> and has been for hours.

<JKnife> maxamillion: got any cool skydome images?

<JKnife> cellofellow: you forked it didnt ya?

<cellofellow> conky?

<JKnife> yeah

<JKnife> as in ran conky -d?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: kill it, i think there is an error in the double buffer code somewhere, i kept crashing on me so i just use htop

<maxamillion> JKnife: skydome?

<cellofellow> I used the run dialog.

<JKnife> for beryl/compiz cube

<JKnife> cellofellow: so you just ran conky? and not conky -d?

* cellofellow thought JKnife meant fork as in fork of code. :D

<cellofellow> conky in the run bar on the panel

<maxamillion> JKnife: ohhh ... yeah, no i don't have any cool skydome images

* JKnife sighs

<JKnife> cellofellow: n/m

<JKnife> maxamillion: ahh ok

* JKnife googles

<Jester45> so w32codecs dont run good on no 64bit

<JKnife> Jester45: what part of w*32*codecs do you not get?

<JKnife> as in windows 32bit

<maxamillion> Jester45: might function with lib32 but i can't promise anything

<cellofellow> don't use xkill on conky, you miss and kill xfdesktop

<JKnife> haha

<JKnife> ROFL

<TheSheep> who uses xkill

<maxamillion> lol

<JKnife> guess cellofellow does

<cellofellow> I've heard of people using chroots for w32codecs.

* maxamillion forgot xkill was a command

* JKnife uses killall

<cellofellow> ctrl+alt+esc runs xkill

<JKnife> ool

<JKnife> cool*

<TheSheep> just run a popup daemon that displays you pids of newly run apps, and then use them to kill them if they hang severa hours later

<Jester45> what takes more procession power xvid quicktime or wmv

<JKnife> but i use irssi in screen so i just make anew page and run killall

<JKnife> Jester45: your face!

<cellofellow> that works too, I just thought I could do it with xkill

<cellofellow> conky kept running even after a killall, so I used htop to give it a signal 9 instead of 15.

<maxamillion> <3 htop

<cellofellow> how, for the first time in forever my CPU has some rest.

<JKnife> "Did you mean to search for: Comprousa Skydome Images" no i freaking didn't!!!

<cellofellow> Skydome belongs in #ubuntu-xgl guys.

<JKnife> cellofellow: you belong in a cage.. but we don't say anything

<cellofellow> thanks JKnife

<JKnife> your welcome.. anything else i can do?

* cellofellow trys to think of a snappy comeback but fails.

<maxamillion> JKnife: play nice with others

<JKnife> :)

<JKnife> maxamillion: ohh ok

<maxamillion> thank you

<burner> too bad xfce4-taskmanager isn't as cool as htop

<TheSheep> burner: enchance it :)

<cellofellow> Too bad Synaptic doesn't do auto-installed flags like aptitude.

<burner> i know i know

<JKnife> patches welcome(tm)

<maxamillion> burner: i agree

<cellofellow> Stuff like that aways makes me open a terminal.

<burner> UI works well enough so I can work on other things ;)

<TheSheep> cellofellow: it does in edgy

<TheSheep> cellofellow: I think

<