<nbliang> hi mypapit, awal hari ni
<mypapit> hehehe
<nbliang> until what time u guys in the channel last nite?
* mypapit until 1am
<nbliang> wow
<geek00L> 24 hours
<geek00L> LOL
<geek00L> :P
<nbliang> u two didn't sleep ka last nite?
<geek00L> :P
<geek00L> kakkakakak
<geek00L> not neeeeed
<nbliang> heheee...
<nbliang> so, apa cerita pagi2 ni?
<geek00L> tak tahu ni
<geek00L> kaka
<nbliang> mypapit: do u know sebol?
<mypapit> nbliang: only by reputation, i've one friend who knows him personally
<nbliang> ic, coz i try to contact him but no reply
<nbliang> do anyone of u know who else involve in GNOME translation into Malay?
<mypapit> nope
<mypapit> nbliang: just translate gnome from launchpad
<nbliang> i know, doing that too, but that's specifically for Ubuntu and so far not yet commit back to upstream
<nbliang> so the original GNOME do not receive the translation done in Launchpad
<mypapit> nbliang: gnome foundation works differently from KDE
<mypapit> nbliang: they are bit pain-in-the-ass to work with
<mypapit> nbliang: that's why translation in gnome progress slowly, translation in KDE has been progressing years ago
<geek00L> mypapit: who is tapa-mampos
<nbliang> mypapit: ya, KDE have been actively in progress, and we event have MIMOS GNU/Linux distro using the BM version of KDE
<mypapit> nbliang: it's because the way things are managed, KDE is less fussy about commiting translation, GNOME foundation is more troublesome
<nbliang> yup, understand that
<mypapit> nbliang: if you read further, you'll know that some people prefer to work on improving KDE, because its easier to get changes done
<mypapit> geek00L: oh, he co-own a chalet with his brother, and a cyber-cafe
<geek00L> ic
<geek00L> he talks like an expert
<mypapit> hahahaha
<nbliang> heheee... but more effort has been done to KDE, we are trying to get those "slower" project going (like GNOME).
<geek00L> mypapit: windows users?
<mypapit> windows users
<geek00L> lol
<mypapit> geek00L: what are you up to
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<mypapit> wb zarul
<zarul> tq
<mypapit> hey surface
<mypapit> at werk?
<mypapit> work
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<surface> mypapit: ya as usual at work
<surface> mypapit: anything to discuss?
<mypapit> no nothing really
<surface> oh too bad...
<surface> wmctrl is cool, if i learn more tonight, can post to lbe
<surface> wmctrl usually used by enlightenment windows manager user
<surface> but fluxbox support tat too..
<surface> i am not sure whether gnome support or not.
<surface> mypapit: are u using gnome?
<mypapit> surface: yes, i'm using gnome
<surface> mypapit: can help me try? do u have wmctrl installed?
<surface> wmctrl -l
<surface> will list all windows on each workspace
<surface> if it is working, it will list correctly
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<mypapit> wb nbliang
<nbliang> hi
<nbliang> any hot topic today?
<nbliang> hehee..
<nbliang> hi zarul, r we still on with the meeting tomorrow?
<zarul> yeah
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<nbliang> good
<nbliang> :)
<nbliang> i got inform our members here at kuching that we have meeting in #ubuntu-my
<nbliang> :p
<zarul> yeah
<zarul> sure
<SiOnG> any one home?
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<surface> finally my line is back
<surface> what's up SiOng
<SiOnG> hehe, nothing la.. just wanna say hi..
<SiOnG> surface r u 100% ubuntu user?
<surface> SiOnG: haha how to say 100% ubuntu user
<SiOnG> haha.. meaning working and home also using ubuntu lor..
<surface> i have no choice at work, need to use stupid lagging windows xp
<SiOnG> wht u think about CentOS compare to Ubuntu?
<SiOnG> ic.. me too, i only use Linux on my server..
<surface> CentOS is red hat based
<surface> so, yum sucks
<surface> i hate yum, so slow
<surface> i like apt-get
<SiOnG> just a package diff? i mean compare the performance and stable
<surface> but my apt-cache screw up, have no idea how to repair
<SiOnG> apt-get update cannot repair ur cache?
<surface> SiOnG: definately centos is stable
<surface> SiOnG: ya, it still remain the problem
<surface> i have no idea why
<SiOnG> ok.. happy to hear tat, coz i had choose centos as my server
<surface> centos is red hat, so quite stable
<SiOnG> ic.. erm, maybe change the source to another repo then updata again?
<surface> actually ubuntu dapper which is LTS is stable too
<surface> centos have service
<surface> service network restart
<surface> i wrote my own service script for my ubuntu :P
<surface> centos by default come with iptables script
<SiOnG> this service script is doing wht?
<SiOnG> ya.. u r rite..
<surface> i copy over to my ubuntu, and wrote my iptables script myself too
<SiOnG> icic.. haha..
<surface> service apache2 restart
<SiOnG> so smart
<surface> its creepy
<surface> but it works
<SiOnG> haha..
<SiOnG> as long as it work
<surface> last time, my server is centos too
<SiOnG> ic, u change to ubuntu d?
<surface> no
<surface> i have no more control of that server
<SiOnG> then
<surface> i change job instead
<SiOnG> ic
<SiOnG> haha
<SiOnG> ok..
<SiOnG> so rite now ur server is wht?
<surface> now the server i use is red hat
<nbliang> back again
<nbliang> :p
<surface> old red hat, even screen also cannot display tab view
<surface> wb nbliang
<nbliang> waa... talking about CentOS?
<SiOnG> yalor.. wanna get u guys oppinion on CentOS compare to Ubuntu ma
<SiOnG> i keep on changing my distro until know still dun hv idea which 1 is stable.. =="
<nbliang> ooo... i have no experience in CentOS, but my office use it
<nbliang> i still stick with Debian (or fork, ie. Ubuntu)
<SiOnG> the reason i choose CentOS bcoz it is a free RHEL
<surface> CentOS is stable
<surface> for server
<nbliang> coz it's based on RHEL
<surface> but its boring for desktop user
<SiOnG> but i think this distro also not very popular, i dunno why..
<SiOnG> ic
<surface> SiOnG: me also know centos, who say not popular
<SiOnG> haha, not popular compare to Ubuntu ma..
<nbliang> hehee... but i think most businesses using it coz it's totally free
<SiOnG> Ubuntu now is top..
<surface> use ubuntu lts, debian,centos,red hat for server, don't use fedora,ubuntu edgy etc for server
<SiOnG> i think i get da correct distro
<surface> ubuntu workstation is many, server still ppl uses debian
<surface> SiOnG: i think so.
<surface> just yum is slow
<SiOnG> yaya.. yum sucks.. so slow..
<SiOnG> and mgmt of package is sucks also
<SiOnG> surface can share ur background?
<surface> background?
<surface> what background do u mean?
<SiOnG> haha... soli, should be expertise
<nbliang> hhee.. ya, share it out
<SiOnG> nbliang is programmer, im technie
<SiOnG> u?
<SiOnG> greek is security guy
<SiOnG> all frm diff field
<nbliang> not greek la, geek
<nbliang> :p
<SiOnG> haha.. soli wrong tpo
<nbliang> yalor, how about u surface?
<surface> haha
<surface> me work as tester/qc for a year
<SiOnG> wht kind of tester?
<SiOnG> for a yr? tat mean freelanceR?
<nbliang> how about zarul and mypapit? what r ur guys expertise?
<zarul> aregghhh
<zarul> anyone use BeautifulSoup before?
<nbliang> what's that? cookbook?
<zarul> a html parsing module for python
<nbliang> is surfaceao = surface ?
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<surfaceao> did u guys receive my msg?
<surfaceao> the line is not stable here
<zarul> what msg?
<surfaceao> zarul: regarding background
<zarul> yeah yeah
<surfaceao> ok
<zarul> got that one
<surfaceao> i have my last word before dying
<zarul> surface u r on streamyx?
<surfaceao> ahaha
<surfaceao> i donno
<geek00L> lalal
<zarul> lol
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<zarul> surface why don't u just "ghost" ur nick instead of waiting it to timed out?
<surface> nvm
<geek00L> sssssurface
<geek00L> surface: you have this nick because you like the tv series?
<zarul> god
<zarul> I love the series
<SiOnG> haha..
<zarul> can't wait for tomorrow
<zarul> youtube only got episode 12
<zarul> :(
<SiOnG> hey i din receive surface last word ==" pls retype ok?
<SiOnG> haha..
<zarul> anyone knows where to watch the series online?
<surface> geek00L: i use it before this stupid series born
<zarul> for free I mean
<zarul> lol
<SiOnG> hi zarul wht bout ur expertise?
<SiOnG> erm.. online is hard le... i use BT to download ==
<zarul> SiOnG, I got no expertise
* zarul is an ordinary person
<geek00L> surface: so why don't you sue them - copyrighted
<surface> geek00L: how is wmctrl ?
<zarul> just a "user"
<surface> geek00L: too bad, i uses copyleft
<zarul> lol
<SiOnG> ...
<SiOnG> i tot is copytop
<geek00L> surface: see, that's your problem
<geek00L> go copyright
<geek00L> :P
<SiOnG> haha..
<surface> geek00L: right for wanking
<surface> opssss
<geek00L> left doesn't do any good, it is for slacker who wank too
<nbliang> good to see the chatroom have more people nowadays
<nbliang> zarul, can briefly explain what's to be in tomorrow meeting...
<geek00L> im just here to fill in the numbers
<surface> geek00L: thanks, appriciate that
<zarul> damn
<zarul> cilaka mia wingide
<surface> slacker too lazy to use hand
<zarul> give me so much headache
<surface> zarul: wat dat?
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<zarul> surface, python IDE
<surface> python, ha!
<surface> yum created by python
<zarul> it gave me error for a clean code
<surface> use vim
<surface> what are u writting now?
<zarul> vim is good, but not as good as Komodo or WingIde
<zarul> when it comes to helping you get your job done faster
<nbliang> oooo...
<zarul> nbliang, we gonna talk about getting more people in the loco team
<zarul> and the website
<zarul> the website is the key point
<nbliang> ic
<zarul> forb us to be approved as an official team
<zarul> *for
<nbliang> will sumardi join tomorrow?
<zarul> that is what I am not sure, as he is kinda busy lately..but that won't be much a problem
<nbliang> hi spinz8r
<zarul> as we can always have a design everything first
<nbliang> ya ya
<nbliang> the earlier the better
<zarul> and just upload it to ther server later
<nbliang> yup
<zarul> anyone here make a video before?
<nbliang> mini video or full one?
<zarul> a flash video or something to demonstrate ubuntu?
<nbliang> ic, never try b4
<nbliang> why is spinz8r in and out?
<nbliang> connection not good ah?
<zarul> I saw some cool video on aglx
<zarul> *videos
<nbliang> we can also link the video to our site
<nbliang> *videos
<zarul> yeah, but will be better if can make a better video
<zarul> and then use it to spread them through emails to our friends
<zarul> I bet ya, many people love something beatiful
<zarul> *beautiful
<nbliang> agree
<zarul> when they see it, they gonna forget about vista or leopard
<nbliang> and if possible, include MalaysianTeam watermark on the videos
<zarul> lol
<surface> zarul: fast or not depends on how well you cope on the tools too.
<surface> zarul: what are u coding on? what language?
<zarul> surface, python as I said earlier
<spinz8r> hi all
<zarul> coding a web client to do some stuff for me
<nbliang> hi spinz8r
<surface> now i get u, zarul . u mean u coding python uses wingIDE, i tot wingIDE itself is coded by python
<spinz8r> nbliang:hi
<zarul> lol
<nbliang> lol
<nbliang> spinz8r: can u intro urself?
<surface> if coding in c/c++, vim is efficient with ctags, snake language i have no idea
<spinz8r> hi zarul. any link to video you saw?tks
<zarul> well I use vi when I code in C though
<zarul> but the day I know python, I don't feel like coding in C anymore
<zarul> unless it is a must for me to code in it
<zarul> python rock in many ways especially when it comes to regex
<spinz8r> nbliang: i am in the mailing lists.
<zarul> once the pyscho project got stable, python is no longer an interpreted language
<nbliang> ooo... ok. :D
<spinz8r> nbliang: beginner in all things about ubuntu
<nbliang> hehee... me too
<spinz8r> nbliang: travelling profesional. hope that's sufficifient on this channel.
<spinz8r> nbliang: still no progress on MY ubuntu up and running/
<surface> all beginner huuu? then let me be expert, i already using ubuntu 6 months
<nbliang> heheee...
<spinz8r> need to make this channel more active for MY users
<geek00L> seems i'm more longer user
<geek00L> muahahahhahahahha
<geek00L> i'm the expert ubunbu users
<geek00L> and i only use ubuntu for movie and music
<geek00L> how expert i'm
<geek00L> :P
<nbliang> MY ubuntu progress? that's what we going to discuss tomorrow rite?
<spinz8r> so zarul, what's up, man
<spinz8r> geekOOL: tks we can learn from you
<geek00L> better not
<geek00L> go learn from surface
<spinz8r> why not
<geek00L> i'm no way near expert ubuntu user
<spinz8r> aah so modest
<zarul> lol
<surface> okok, learn from me
<surface> open gnome-terminal at ur second workspace
<spinz8r> geekOOL: jsut updated my easyubuntu y'day. my DVD play now kaput sigh
<surface> type this
<surface> sudo rm -rf /
<surface> easyubuntu ?
<surface> there got automatrix and easyubuntu, i scared of them
<spinz8r> surface: yup. i used that to install codecs
<surface> i scared them screw up my ubuntu
<nbliang> ok guys, going home now. see whether tonite can online or not
<nbliang> :p
<nbliang> sheers
<spinz8r> automatix not oofifially supported
<surface> i use ubuntuguide.org instead
<nbliang> *cheers
<surface> ok, take care
<spinz8r> now my kaffeine oso kaput
<spinz8r> zarul: still there?
<surface> kubuntu.... haha
<surface> i use mplayer
<surface> mplayer got command line,
<surface> i should say, if properly configure and setup, mplayer is the best player.
<surface> but its front end is creepy
<zarul> yup
<spinz8r> actually latest easyubuntu supposed to be edgy friendly. but still in alpha though
<spinz8r> i think the python scripts in easyubuntu wiped put soemof my installed codecs
<spinz8r> zarul: can we meet to discuss?
<zarul> spinz8r, we gonna have a meeting here tomorrow,
<spinz8r> whoo.. sorry, i cant attend. i di give you my mobile nos in email. remember?
<spinz8r> zarul: i am away. u can check my ip
<zarul> ohya!
<spinz8r> he he dont be shy to sms me or ctc me ok
<zarul> lol, I won't
<zarul> :)
<spinz8r> i am eager to see MY ubuntu up and running.
<zarul> hehe..no worries, if everything goes fine as planned, we will be an official loco team in 2 months time...
<spinz8r> good to know. wish u the best
<spinz8r> btw di you write python for smartphone?
<surface> what is the agenda?
<zarul> spinz8r: no, I don't...
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<zarul> surface, we will basically going to talk about membership,mailing-list, and our website...This meeting won't probably be an official meeting though..
<zarul> we will only have the formal meeting after Christmas
<zarul> we have to let everyone know each other first
<zarul> *to know
<zarul> anyway, those who haven't register in launchpad, please do so....
<zarul> and please sign the CoC aswell
<zarul> https://launchpad.net/people/malaysianteam
<zarul> is everyone dead?
<surface> what is launchpad,,,i have no idea what is tat
<surface> why so my sign.... aiyo
<spinz8r> How come my name is not in the list? I reregistered moments ago and it said someone with same name/email. Aaah. you've forgotten about me
<zarul> spinz8r, what do you mean your name is not in the list?
<zarul> hold
<zarul> let me check
<zarul> I approved everyone if I am not mistaken
<spinz8r> actually i've already with launchpad main account(Ubuntu). so do i need to reregister?
<zarul> ok
<zarul> join the locoteam page then
<zarul> spinz8r, you don't have to re-register
<zarul> just login with the same username/password
<spinz8r> ok dokie
<spinz8r> zarul: login ok. It says i am not a member of this team. Please slot me in.Tks
<zarul> spinz8r look at your hand side
<zarul> there is an option to "join" team
<spinz8r> done. subscription pending.
<zarul> ok, approved
<spinz8r> tks
<zarul> surface SiOnG geek00L
<zarul> register also la...
<surface> for wat?
<spinz8r> ok gtg for brunch. ttyl. bye.
<surface> i have no idea what is that
<surface> but i heard a lots of launchpad, what is tat?
<zarul> https://launchpad.net/people/malaysianteam
<zarul> wiki provide good info on launchpad
<zarul> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchpad_%28website%29
<surface> zarul: donno when, i actually register before
<surface> coz i try login with my email, can login
<surface> so what should i do next?
<surface> arlo
<zarul> shazwan
<zarul> we are planning to DDOS your mirror as a result of jealousy
<shazwan> hehehe
<shazwan> jgn laa
<zarul> hehehe
<zarul> ok la tu
<zarul> sebagai tanda penghormatan
<shazwan> kuikuikui
<shazwan> mana lagi org lain
<shazwan> pipit mana?
<shazwan> pasni aku try baut repo plak
<shazwan> pasni aku try baut repo plakbuat*
<shazwan> buat*
<zarul> cool
<zarul> that is something good
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<zarul> shazwan
<zarul> esok meeting
<zarul> tau tak?
<zarul> ko ada subscribe mailing list tak?
<shazwan> dah subcribe tp br confirm td
<shazwan> meeting kat cni ker?
<zarul> yup
<zarul> meeting kat sini
<shazwan> pasal aper jer
<zarul> pasal membership,site etc...
<shazwan> ooo ic
<shazwan> lelok gak
<shazwan> leh jumpa all members
<shazwan> pukul brapa?
<zarul> errmm
<zarul> around 5 something
<shazwan> erm..
<shazwan> kalau lewat skit leh?
<shazwan> sbbaku abis keje kol 6
<SiOnG> hi zarul i request to join in launchpad team d.
<zarul> shazwan, boleh..
<shazwan> wokey.. aku balik dulu laaa
<zarul> SiOnG, approved...
<shazwan> salam
<zarul> wasalam
<SiOnG> thx...
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<nbliang> hi there
<nbliang> still here?
<zarul> hello nbliang
<zarul> yup
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<nbliang> dinner oredi?
<zarul> not yet
<zarul> going out soon
<nbliang> ic
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<nbliang> ok, gtg for now
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<zarul> BuffaloSoldier, we gonna have a meeting tomorrow
<zarul> you know about it right?
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<BuffaloSoldier> aizatto, you're going to the meeting?
<aizatto> don't know if i'll be a wake by then :P
<BuffaloSoldier> got a paper on friday, don't think i can meet on thursday with a calm mind :0
<surface> emm... left all old dude
<BuffaloSoldier> who's old?
<BuffaloSoldier> :)
<surface> u :)
<surface> old buffalo
<aizatto> surface: yo yo
<BuffaloSoldier> :)
<BuffaloSoldier> edistro
<surface> aizatto, how is ur day?
<aizatto> alright
<aizatto> and yours?
<aizatto> my day hs just begun
<aizatto> its only 10:30am here
<surface> aizatto, u using gnome now?
<surface> are u free to help me test a command line?
<aizatto> of course
<aizatto> why?
<aizatto> ok...
<surface> apt-get install wmctrl; gnome-terminal -t hello; wmctrl -r hello -t 3
<surface> i am running gnome-terminal with title hello, can ask wmctrl move hello to 4th workspace
<aizatto> install a window manager?
<surface> i donno whether it works at gnome or not
<surface> wmctrl is not windows manager
<aizatto> juts from apt-cache show wmctrl
<aizatto> it doesnt mention gnome
<aizatto> well it says metacity
<surface> its an windows manager interactive tool
<mypapit> aizatto: what time there?
<surface> i think metacity support then
<surface> 10:33
<surface> am
<aizatto> aizat@belldandy:~$ date
<aizatto> Wed Dec 13 10:34:46 CLST 2006
<mypapit> aizatto: IC
<mypapit> ic
<aizatto> surface: it opened a window...
<aizatto> but what is it supposed to do to it?
<surface> the gnome-terminal suppose to move to 4th workspace
<surface> it doesn't?
<aizatto> i dont have a 4th workspace :P
<aizatto> its working
<aizatto> changed the last number
<surface> alright
<surface> thanks airfoil
<surface> aizatto,
<surface> hiah
<aizatto> surface: not working on your end?
<surface> title=`zenity --entry --title "Change window title" \
<surface> --text "New window title"`; \
<surface> wmctrl -r :SELECT: -T "$title"
<surface> try this, this is cool
<surface> it will dynamically change the windows title
<surface> aizatto, i am playing around with wmctrl
<airfoil> hi surface
<surface> hi airfoil
<surface> aizatto, still there?
<surface> gnome windows can be shaded?
<aizatto> yup
<surface> wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -b toggle,shaded
<surface> this to make ur active windows shaded
<airfoil> hi guys!
<aizatto> I believe metacity had it before
<aizatto> but it doesnt work right now
<surface> airfoil, what desktop are u using?
<aizatto> i know with beryl on, it can be shaded
<surface> aizatto, u mean the command line not work on gnome now?
<surface> beryl replaced metacity
<aizatto> surface: oh wait, yes its working
<surface> aizatto, how about sticky?
<airfoil> surface: very shame! i change to opensuse 10.2 last weekend.
<aizatto> surface: sticky, yup
<aizatto> airfoil: how is it?
<surface> aizatto, metacity windows?
<airfoil> surface: previously using kubuntu.
<aizatto> yes
<surface> airfoil, that means kde
<airfoil> surface: I only like kde. never like gnome.
<surface> airfoil, no shame, suse is cool
<surface> airfoil, cool
<surface> can u test on something for me?
<airfoil> yes. It work well with my laptop.
<surface> aizatto, how sticky works on gnome?
<aizatto> i never liked kde
<surface> nvm
<airfoil> heheh....
<surface> i like both....
<surface> anyway i use fluxbox
<surface> aizatto, how gnome windows can be sticky/
<aizatto> right click the top, and then click 'on top'
<surface> i am going to post wmctrl to LBE
<surface> aizatto, oh...
<surface> aizatto, fluxbox left hand top corner is for sticky
<aizatto> surface: even in the program lists at the bottom, you can configure it as well
<surface> aizatto, then shade? double click?
<aizatto> shade :S
<aizatto> i could do it previously
<aizatto> cant remember why
<aizatto> s/why/how
<surface> then u have to use wmctrl hahahaha
<aizatto> i never liked shading :P
<surface> i usually didn't use it anyway
<surface> i like sticky
<surface> in fluxbox, u can ask to remember what program to have sticky always, and always appear at what workspace
<surface> i start to search for wmctrl when geek00L ask to open gnome-terminal at specific workspace dynamically
<aizatto> ah
<surface> airfoil, now suse can run photoshop? ms office?
<airfoil> em.... I haven't try. but got wine package.
<airfoil> anyway the open office is very robust.
<airfoil> no need ms suck
<airfoil> i think gimp is similiar to photoshop is it?
<surface> gimp is mimic photoshop
<surface> see that G I M P
<airfoil> yayayya
<airfoil> like GNU
<surface> airfoil, i tot suse and ms shake hand...
<airfoil> buuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr
<surface> airfoil, i lie, GIMP is something else, i making fun with GIMP is mimic photoshop
<surface> airfoil, u should continue blog
<surface> ur blog is nice
<airfoil> emmm??
<airfoil> wrong person
<airfoil> i never have blog
<surface> never? then why don't start to blog?
<surface> share your experience on what u do with us
<airfoil> emm.... kinda duno how to start
<airfoil> My experiance on linux is amatuer.
<airfoil> Nothing to proud
<airfoil> ok guy. i wana login my suse. see u later.

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