<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Nope.

<lophyte> rexbron: network-manager

<lophyte> SpacePuppy: howdy

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: kk

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: btw, dunno if I told you, but thanks for filling in a couple of weeks ago

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: np

<tonyyarusso> Was a good experience

<ryanakca> good... how many people show up?

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: you still coming down on the 20th?

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: Not exactly sure; quite a few though; not sure how many stayed the whole time.

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Yep, still good with that here.

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: excellent

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: We getting times/details yet?

<rexbron> lophyte: I am getting a development box up and running

<lophyte> go with the standard ubuntu-to meeting time?

<rexbron> so I can package and test

<lophyte> 6:30pm @ linuxcaffe

<ryanakca> tonyyarusso: kk

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Sounds fine.

<lophyte> rexbron: nice job on the dev box.

<rexbron> not sure if that got through

<rexbron> lots o lag

<lophyte> can someone do me a quick favour?

<lophyte> rexbron?

<rexbron> sup

<lophyte> telnet to 64.233.163.114 on port 25 and tell me if you can get a connection, or if it times out

<rexbron> telnet or ssh?

<ryanakca> connected :)<

<lophyte> ugh

<lophyte> you're kidding

<ryanakca> nope

<lophyte> why the heck can't I connect

<ryanakca> hmm... firewall? go iptables -L

<lophyte> huh, maybe

<ryanakca> if it's the ubuntu default, shouldn't be anything...

<ryanakca> google, right?

<lophyte> yup

<lophyte> I'm trying to set up a network monitoring system..

<ryanakca> ah

<lophyte> and its supposed to email you when a host goes down

<lophyte> but my postfix logs say "connection timed out"

<ryanakca> lophyte: ah, odd

<lophyte> no firewall rules..

<lophyte> not on the local box anyway

<ryanakca> router?

<lophyte> its gonna be something on my router

<ryanakca> enabled DMZ for your box

<lophyte> I can ping it.. just not telnet to port 25

<rexbron> lophyte: I'm getting timed out aswell

<lophyte> really?

<rexbron> proably router

<ryanakca> how do I have "/usr/local/bin/rc.firewall" at startup?

<ryanakca> how do I have it run I meen

* ryanakca 's handy dandy firewall / iptables script

<rexbron> ryanakca: add it to rc.local?

<lophyte> ergh..

<lophyte> I don't see anything in the router about it

<tonyyarusso> Whoohoo!

<rexbron> and look at writting an upstart script

<lophyte> this is annoying

<tonyyarusso> Apache + SSL + User/Password Authentication is online!

<rexbron> for feisty compat

<rexbron> tonyyarusso: what will that do?

<tonyyarusso> rexbron: Makes it so that only approved users can access a section of my site, and that the data won't be sniffable in transfer.

<rexbron> thats good

<ryanakca> lophyte: no option for DMZ?

<ryanakca> lophyte: what about port forwarding?

<lophyte> does that work for outbound connections?

<ryanakca> don't think so... the router shouldn't hinder outbound I dont think

<lophyte> I know, that's the problem

<lophyte> I can't make a connection from my network to gmail's smtp server

<ryanakca> ah... does your ISP block 25?

<ryanakca> wait a second..

<ryanakca> on port 25?

<ryanakca> that wont work... ever :)

<lophyte> why not?

<lophyte> 25 is smtp, isn't it\

<ryanakca> because gmail doesn't use port 25

<ryanakca> yeah... but gmail decided to change it to 495 or something like that

<ryanakca> or at least they did last I heard

<lophyte> yeah, but then how to other smtp servers know to use 495?

<ryanakca> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287

<ryanakca> dunno

<lophyte> sending *from* gmail accounts outbound uses 495... but other smtp servers sending *to* gmail should use 25

<ryanakca> oh

<ryanakca> lol, I thought you wanted to send with gmail... not receive

<ryanakca> hmm...

<lophyte> hehe, no :)

<lophyte> postfix should send email to my gmail account

<ryanakca> does your ISP block 25 outbound?

<lophyte> not that I know of..

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Do you know anything about Toronto's Ojibwe stuff as mentioned in the meeting?

<ryanakca> most of them do that now... you can only access their own SMTP servers...

<lophyte> tonyyarusso: I just know that Ralph is the person who brought it up

<tonyyarusso> lophyte: Okay. Thought there might have been more, but wasn't sure.

<lophyte> I don't quite understand the connection between aboriginal people and Ubuntu... but that's his baby as far as I know

<lophyte> maybe sympatico blocks 25..

<tonyyarusso> I was just approaching it from a translations POV (the whole be able to use software in your language bit)

<ryanakca> http://www.freebsddiary.org/postfix-transport.php

<tonyyarusso> I think he wants a fork of some sort, but I don't see the point there.

<tonyyarusso> Some cool artwork would be awesome though.

<ryanakca> sympatico blocks it, yep

<ryanakca> http://blog.dreamhosters.com/kbase/index.cgi?area=1623 search for the word sympatico on that page...

<lophyte> ryanakca: that freebsddiary page looks like he's fixing an incoming 25 problem

<ryanakca> kk... I just took the first page in google :D

<lophyte> hehe

<lophyte> ah well

<lophyte> I don't think its possible...

<lophyte> unless gmail's servers accept mail sent in to 587

<ryanakca> nope

<lophyte> nope...

<lophyte> well, that's really stupid.

<lophyte> the only way to do it is to set up my own mailbox server

<ryanakca> it's a valid reason though... phone them and ask them to enable it for you

<lophyte> and have the monitoring system mail to my local mailbox

<ryanakca> blocking 25 blocks spammers

<ryanakca> well... helps

<lophyte> its alright, I'm just testing out at home.. the place where I"m actually implementing it doesn't block 25

<ryanakca> kk

<lophyte> I can see that postfix is at least trying to mail it out.. so that's good enough I suppose

<lophyte> *kicks sympatico*

<tonyyarusso> Bell is evil. End of story.

<lophyte> i wonder if there's a way to configure this thing to detect if p2p programs are being used on the network

<ryanakca> Madpilot: you pinged?

<Madpilot> did I?

<Madpilot> Oh, possibly last night, wondering if you were around to attend the meeting

<ryanakca> ah

<lophyte> anyone know a system to detect and block p2p traffic on a LAN?

<Burgundavia> you need traffic shaping

<Burgundavia> afaik, there is no free software that can do that ootb

<lophyte> booo-urns

<lophyte> I guess the easiest way is to simply block those programs from being installed

<SpacePuppy> they have it setup at linuxcaffe.. if you use p2p ware the network bans you.

<lophyte> really?

<lophyte> maybe I'll bug seneca about that on wednesday

<SpacePuppy> yup. I was demoing Azureus to somebody a couple of weeks back and it resulted in both of us getting our MAC's banned.

<lophyte> haha

<lophyte> nice ;)

<SpacePuppy> Seneca had to show off her madz skillz and laugh at us while she unbanned us.

<lophyte> any idea the name of the software she's using?

<SpacePuppy> knowing her, it was prolly a custom iptables script.

<SpacePuppy> http://www.knowplace.org/pages/howtos/traffic_shaping_with_linux.php

<lophyte> oh boy that sounds complicated

<lophyte> looks like you have to know the nitty gritty packet details

<lophyte> hey folks :)

<ricardo> hey my wirless connection in ubuntu is considerably slower than when I use it in my other OS. Have tis happened to you? Is there anyway to make wirelss connection faster???

<ricardo> thanks

<lophyte> I get full speed here

<lophyte> could it possibly be a limitation of the wireless driver you're using?

<lophyte> what's the make/model of your wireless card

<lophyte> ?

<somerville32> !ipv6

<ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4

<somerville32> !ipv6 | ricardo

<ubotu> ricardo: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4

<lophyte> oh, didn't think of that... though I haven't had any issues at all

<ricardo> thanks for the response

<ricardo> I do not know, it may be the driver altough is a standard one (Intell)

<ricardo> PRO/Wireless 2915ABG MiniPCI Adapter

<rexbron> lophyte: what program would you recomend for accessing a remote desktop over ssh?

<lophyte> vnc+ssh?

<lophyte> ricardo: odd... Intell drivers are pretty well supported. Maybe try the ipv6 solution?

<ricardo> I am on it, thanks

<rexbron> lophyte: I need somemore info on VNC

<rexbron> !vnc

<ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX

<rexbron> !freenx

<ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX

<ricardo> Hey, I tried disabling ipv6, but the wireless connection is still slow. Does anyone has another suggestion? Thanks a lot.

<somerville32> ricardo: Drivers maybe?

<ricardo> I do not think so, my wirless used to work well with other networks. It is something with this router I just bought but I can not figure out what.

<matjan> tonyyarusso, looking for a dutch speaker again?

<tonyyarusso> matjan: No, that was something else

<tonyyarusso> Taken care of now

<matjan> alright... i saw your message at nl... just wondering

<tonyyarusso> yep, np

* somerville32 m

<rexbron_> !xdmpc

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xdmpc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<rexbron_> !xdmcp

<ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it

<rexbron_> lophyte: wow this is anoying, gdmsetup wont load

<rexbron_> !gdmsetup

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdmsetup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Burgundavia> Madpilot: you around?

<Madpilot> Burgundavia, pong

<BluesKaj> Howdy

<BluesKaj> hi MagicFab, ejer, tristan_

<ejer> hey BluesKaj

<tristan_> heh, I think there's another tristan on freenode :)

<BluesKaj> just checking in

<BluesKaj> was looking for a fix for google earth on ATI cards ...really poor rendering of the GUI ...flickers like crazy ...i read that there's a fix somewhere , but the source wasn't mentioned

<ejer> BluesKaj: you need to use the ATI driver

<BluesKaj> fglrx

<ejer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI

<SpacePuppy> BluesKaj: i don't have an issue with my ATI x1300 flickering when using google earth.

<BluesKaj> SpacePuppy, mine's an onboard express200

<ejer> BluesKaj: do you have direct rendering working?

<SpacePuppy> BluesKaj: so the obvious question is: do you have it installed properly? try typing fgl_glxgears at a command line and then tell me what happens?

<SpacePuppy> or you can actully tell us.. lol

<BluesKaj> yes , i managed to get direct rendering working

<SpacePuppy> how do you know that?

<BluesKaj> when i used the wiki for trying to get mythtv installed

<BluesKaj> it was one of the functions that had to be turned on

<SpacePuppy> seriously, humor me for one second type fgl_glxgears at a command prompt

<BluesKaj> it won't load

<SpacePuppy> then you do not have the ATI drivers instaled properly

<SpacePuppy> back to square one for you!!!

<BluesKaj> Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".

<SpacePuppy> !ati

<ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto

<BluesKaj> well, I had to get rid of it yesterday cuz it was causing X to crash when trying use flash in youtube and other sites

<SpacePuppy> heh, you may have bjorked your install... might be easier to re-install than repair.

<BluesKaj> I made the mistake of trying toinstall and run beryl and it really screwed the ATI driver situation

<BluesKaj> ok, I have this file : ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run ... what am i supposed to do with it ...there are no pkgs or debs

<BluesKaj> I also have an ATI "fglrxconf utility" in the kicker, which has a menu with arcane nomenclature. It assumes that I know what I'm doing ...it's a mystery to me

<BluesKaj> the direct rendering test in the ATI fglrxconf menu works , it shows those coloured gears turning

<BluesKaj> hello ? .. SpacePuppy ?

<BluesKaj> nm

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<rexbron> !xvid

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<rexbron> !xmdcp

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xmdcp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<rexbron> !xdmcp

<ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it

<lophylap> hey folks

<BluesKaj> hey lophylap

<lophylap> how's it going?

<lophylap> hey rexbron

<rexbron> hey there lophylap

<rexbron> whats going on?

<lophylap> not much.. hanging at the caffe

<rexbron> I wish I could do stuff like that

<rexbron> frigging vnc is killing me to get set up

<lophylap> really?

<rexbron> and for somereason login window crashes silently

<rexbron> I enter my password, it says its loading

<lophylap> I use xdmcp on my machine, but its not encrypted and thus not very secure

<lophylap> ''

<rexbron> then nothing

<rexbron> that I what I want to use but an mot sure how to set it up

<lophylap> its simple

<rexbron> you can tunnel xdmcp over ssh correct?

<lophylap> should be able to

<rexbron> ok explain

<lophylap> one sec

<lophylap> you're using gdm?

<lophylap> or kdm?

<rexbron> gdm on that machine

<lophylap> I know how to do it with gdm.. never tried kdm

<lophylap> gdm is simple

<lophylap> edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf

<lophylap> go down to the [xdmcp] section

<lophylap> and set Enable=true

<rexbron> and then how do you log in remotely?

<lophylap> okay, on your remote computer

<lophylap> at the gdm login screen

<lophylap> click "Options"

<rexbron> brb I'll go turn it on

<lophylap> and go to "Remotely via XDMCP"

<lophylap> and it'll scan the network for XDMCP servers

<lophylap> you can also use Xnest

<lophylap> which is a nested X server

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<lophylap> Xnest :1 -query <ip>

<lophylap> if you wanna tunnel through ssh...

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<lophylap> ssh tunneling, I believe, is like:

<lophylap> ssh -R 177:localhost:177 username@remotehost

<lophylap> then Xnest :1 -query localhost

<rexbron> I am going to do a fresh install when feisty comes out

<lophylap> me too :0

<lophylap> :)*

<lophylap> I'm going to install Herd 1 in a VM

<rexbron> that is what the remote box is running

<lophylap> nice

<BluesKaj> ok , I got direct rendering working like a charm and so does google earth ...now i'm tackling "beryl", but it gives me this error when i try to start it : "beryl: No composite extension" ..any ideas ?

<rexbron> woot it works!

<rexbron> gosh why did I have to spend 4 hours looking for that infp

<rexbron> but its pretty laggy

<lophylap> BluesKaj: do you have composite extensions enabled in xorg.conf?

<rexbron> google earth complains that I dont have hwaccel

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<rexbron> lophylap: cool, now I can try out Ubuntu Studio

<rexbron> lophylap: and damn, ubuntu-desktop does not uninstall cleanly

<rexbron> still have some gnome "cruft

<rexbron> in the menus

<BluesKaj> lophylap, I tried that without any luck previously

<lophylap> BluesKaj: there's a few options you have to add to xorg.conf

<lophylap> nvidia or ATI?

<BluesKaj> ok , i changed it from false to enable

<BluesKaj> ATI

<lophylap> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy

<lophylap> did you read that page?

<BluesKaj> I'm on this page : http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL

<lophylap> ah

<lophylap> I've never tried beryl on an ATI card...

<lophylap> about to, actually :)

<lophylap> also, make sure Option "AIGLX" "true" is enabled in your ServerLayout section

<rexbron> lophylap: lol, there goes X

<BluesKaj> server layout /

<BluesKaj> ?

<lophylap> 'in xorg.conf

<lophylap> Section "ServerLayout"

<BluesKaj> there's no AIGLX listed in that section

<lophylap> you have to add it

<lophylap> just add:

<lophylap> Option "AIGLX" "true"

<BluesKaj> ok, done

<lophylap> brb...

<lophylap> testing my own beryl set up :)

<lophylap> wow

<lophylap> beryl runs unbelievably smooth on this

<rexbron> good,

<rexbron> cause it hates me

<lophylap> hey mylesbraithwaite

<mylesbraithwaite> hello

<lophylap> how's it going?

<mylesbraithwaite> good are you coming to the meeting on wed.?

<rexbron> I am!

<rexbron> check this out: http://www.informationweek.com/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196601781

<rexbron> kind of scary

<lophylap> of course we are :)

<lophylap> I'm already at the caffe, waiting for you folks :P

* lophylap likes to be eary

<lophylap> early, too

<rexbron> basically, Microsoft could, nder the DMCA, prevent any interoperablility with office

<rexbron> if you encrypt the files

<mylesbraithwaite> does anyone know how to make linux use file:// links?

<BluesKaj> Hmm, I guess trying to run beryl with ATI frglx drivers is a lost cause :(

<lophylap> yup..

<BluesKaj> well, i like google earth too much to give that up to some ATI generic drivers that may or may not work in beryl

<lophylap> use the radeon driver :)

<lophylap> or does google earth not run on the radeon driver?

<BluesKaj> it is a the radeon driver

<lophylap> I mean the open source radeon driver

<BluesKaj> well ihve direct rendering running with 3D accel

<BluesKaj> oops I spoke too soon , something in those beryl instructions did in the fgl_glxgears

<BluesKaj> bummer , now i have start over again

<BluesKaj> well, I've come to the concusion that if you want direct rendering and radeon fglrx driver support for ATI cards so that programs like google earth are rendered properly , then Beryl and XGL is out of the question ... at least that's what i have to conclude from my experiments from today's tries.

<johanbr> That's basically true. As a workaround, you can do "DISPLAY=:0 program_name" if you're running Xgl/Beryl - that'll get you direct rendering.

<ejer> BluesKaj: one of the ubuntu XGL methods involves making it a session type in GDM... this is how I do it so I can login as a non-xgl user when needed

<BluesKaj> ejer, prefer being able to use google earth vs beryl

<ejer> that is what I mean

<BluesKaj> couldn't get the session login for XGL setup right anyway

<ejer> you log in as non beryl session for using GE... but if it works with beryl, then you are good already

<ejer> I just copy/pasted it all

<BluesKaj> ejer , i'm sure the beryl setup changes the renderer string

<ejer> renderer string?

<BluesKaj> yes from the ATI driver and searches for the Xfree86

<ejer> hmm

<BluesKaj> i had to go back redo the driver setup after trying beryl

<ejer> shouldn't touch any of that

<ejer> you on edgy?

<BluesKaj> the test fgl_glxgears didn't work after beryl

<BluesKaj> yup edgy

<ejer> as johanbr said, you need to spcify the DIPLAY variable...

<ejer> display

<BluesKaj> there may be a work around , but what you're telling me is beyond my scope

<ejer> although I am unaware of this bug/feature

<ejer> all you need to do is type DISPLAY=:0 before the program name that needs direct rendering

<ejer> you did this I assume? http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX

<BluesKaj> in the terminal ?

<ejer> also, there is a channel specifically for these probs #ubuntu-xgl

<BluesKaj> yeah, but try to get a response there :)

<ejer> just throwing it out

<BluesKaj> they just told me to get a nVudia card

<ejer> also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy

<ejer> they are right :)

<BluesKaj> couldn't get beryl to install anyway , it wouldn't show up anywhere ...when i typed it in the cmd line it just took the panel and window borders out .

<BluesKaj> heheh, it just says :== ATI ==Check back soon :)

<BluesKaj> that's for gnome , not kde

<BluesKaj> where's the kde equivalent for this: ? Go to System->Preferences->Sessions, click the "Startup Programs" tab, click the "Add" butto

<MagicFab> Burgwork, u there ?

<Burgwork> magicFab: always

<BluesKaj> where is "system" in kde ?

<BluesKaj> yeah, that's what i figured...there ain't one

<ejer> BluesKaj: it is in the control panel

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<LoudMouthMan> Hey Guys, this is Nik the loudmouthman, from Ubuntu-UK I just wanted to drop in and say good luck for tommorow at the community council meeting.

<somerville32> :D

<somerville32> Thanks LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> somerville32 your welcome.

<lophylap> howdy'

<tonyyarusso> Hey lophylap

<Burgwork> hey lophylap

<somerville32> :D

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