<alefteris> ktogias_, kaneis kapio komati toy guide? exw arxisei to security

*** ktogias_ is now known as ktogias

<ktogias> hi alefteris

<ktogias> Kanw to Harware

<ktogias> Hardware

<alefteris> ok

<linopil> gaia sou lefteris

<linopil> cntb =linopil

<alefteris> hi

<geokok> xairete

<ktogias> hi geokok

<ktogias> Pws paei h metafrash?

<geokok> hi ktogias

<alefteris> hello

<geokok> kala

<geokok> hi lefteris

<geokok> alefteris esu den mou esteiles mail gia na allakso ta stoixeia mou sto launchpad

<geokok> ?

<alefteris> nai

<geokok> einai ok tora?

<alefteris> yeap :)

<geokok> ok!...mpika gia na rotiso kati. Eida pos metafrazete ton xristi root os diaxeiristi....na to kano kai go etsi?

<geokok> an kai einai admin.....alla kai xristis riza den leei e??lol

<ktogias> Egw ton lew pio syxna yperxrhsth... Apo to superuser...

<geokok> auto skeftika k go arxika

<alefteris> superuser einai pio unix like e!

<ktogias> Nai

<alefteris> egw leo god

<alefteris> :)

<ktogias> O root sto unix einai pragmatikos yperxrhsths. Mporei na kanei ta panta.

<geokok> :))

<ktogias> Se anti8esh me ton admininsrator pou mporei kai na exei periorismous

<ktogias> Des ton admin twn windows

<geokok> ara pame gia uperxristis...to diaxeiristis den mou arese

<geokok> ti einai windows??? :D

<ktogias> Ena periergo leitourgiko ths kakias wras... Mh dineis shmasia, se liga xronia kaneis den 8a to 8ymatai...

<alefteris> exei kataferei kaneis na ftiaksei ta bowser plugins?

<alefteris> gia ton firefox..

<alefteris> afto to plugin toy totem den leei mia

<geokok> nai...

<geokok> exo dokimasei me ola baskia

<geokok> basika alla mapa

<geokok> totem-gstreamer, totem-xine, mplayer, vlc

<geokok> panta kapoia site den paizoun

<alefteris> thlw na vlalw toy totem alla einai depedency sto ubuntu-desktop..

<alefteris> ama to vlalw tha ginei zamos?

<alefteris> xmos

<alefteris> xamos

<alefteris> :)

<geokok> na bgaleis ennoeis? ego to ebgala bgike kai dependency kai meta to ebala ksana (to ubuntu-desktop)kai den eida kati tragiko

<geokok> tora pali min se paro k ston laimo mou ;)

<geokok> mipos tha itan logiko na exete ena kanali re paidia na mazeuete olos o kosmos edo???ennoo den mporeite na balete ena minima stin eisodo sto grnet pou na leei pos auto einai to episimo?

<ktogias> Eixa valei geokok ... To vgalane x8es...

<alefteris> nomizw iparxei.. ktogias, to evgales?

<ktogias> To evgale o Phoinix x8es. Den 3erw giati...

<geokok> to leo giati eimaste pou eimaste ligoi ama moirazomaste kai se 2 channels ....

<ktogias> Den einai mesa twra... Ama ton dw 8a to kanonisoume...

<alefteris> eimaste sinithismenoi sto *ligoi*

<alefteris> nomizw kalo einai na afisoume to channel afto gia to translation kai afto sto grnet gia support ktl..

<geokok> ..xm ...mporei kai na exeis dikio..

<alefteris> etsi kai alios den prokite na metaferthoun oi perisoteroi sto freenode oute tha boun na mas vroun edw..

<ktogias> ta leme guys!

<alefteris> c u

<geokok> c ya

<geokok> email client==?

<ktogias> efarmogh hlektronikhs allhlografias

<alefteris> programma hlekronikahs alhlografias?

<alefteris> efarmogi

<geokok> ok

<alefteris> ama thes copse to se "hl."

<alefteris> hl. alilografiaw

<geokok> ok.apla den iksera mipos eixate kapoia special metafrasi giati kai sto panel to tooltip einai agglika

<alefteris> nai to kserw, lathos prepei na einai

<geokok> simera eixe update ta langpacks pantos

<alefteris> tha eprepe na einai kati san Evolution hl. alilografia..

<alefteris> opos kai gia to firefox

<geokok> nai.....pantos to bug tou OO base den lene na to ftiaksoun me tipota

<alefteris> pio bug :)

<alefteris> gia exigise..

<geokok> to exo kanei report sto launchpad, to exoun epibebaiosei arketoi (telika ipirxe kai duplicate). des edo https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/71200

<alefteris> ena spastiko bug sto oo pantos enai oti otan kaneis copy paste apo oo se evolution, to oo crasharei

<geokok> sorru lathos bug report

<geokok> miso ona bro to sosot

<geokok> sosto

<alefteris> pio einai telika to bug?

<geokok> den brisko to diko mou ..mipos to esbisan san duplicate??

<alefteris> kai dab na einai, den svinete

<alefteris> esi to exeis kanei report? den fenete tipota sto profil soy..

<geokok> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu...org/+bug/72539

<geokok> milame gia xontro problima oxi aplo crash

<alefteris> i'll try to rerpoduse it

<geokok> akoma ka se live cd paizei to bug

<geokok> einai stantar problima se olous pisteuo

<apokryphos> 8)

<linopil> ;-)

<apokryphos> occupied with the suse release a little :P

<linopil> ah 10.2?

<geokok> suse==666

<linopil> 666 = hell ?

<alefteris> suse+m$=evil

<geokok> echo "yes"

<linopil> ah number of the beast ? haha

<geokok> bazoune kai to format tis ms sto open office

<geokok> diladi thaboun monoi tous to odf

<alefteris> to oo base doulevei mia xara se mena

<linopil> open office 2.03 ?

<alefteris> exw jdk1.6rc omos

<geokok> to 2.0.4 exeis?

<alefteris> 2.0.4

<alefteris> exei sxesi ti rithmiseis tha kaneis gia to table?

<geokok> emena me SUN java 1.5.0_08 kai java fsf den paizei

<geokok> ozi den nomizo na exoun oi epiloges tou table na kanoun kati

<alefteris> sorry, ekana to table anti tou form ..

<geokok> ....eipa kai go!!

<linopil> sudo aptitude install sun-java5-plugin ? ;-)

<alefteris> o wizard gia tis form den anoigei kan :)

<geokok> o nai!!

<geokok> akribos auto!! an exeis FSF java anoigei alla otan patas finish den kanei tipota

<alefteris> to ;exeis kai esi afto?

<geokok> diladi to programma einai axristo

<geokok> se alles dianomes+windows mou eipan oti douleuei

<geokok> den to exo tsekarei omos

<apokryphos> alefteris: linopil: sorry guys, but that's rubbish =)

<apokryphos> openSUSE is a great distribution

<apokryphos> I'm not saying Kubuntu isn't :P

<alefteris> yast is cool..

<linopil> np apokryphos

<alefteris> but i dont generaly like kde

* apokryphos loves KDE

<linopil> no more zen stupidities there apokryphos ?

<alefteris> looks childish

<alefteris> :P

<apokryphos> linopil: all fixed for 10.2. You can actually comploetely disable zmd+friends now

<apokryphos> alefteris: so change the look :P

<linopil> both ubuntu and suse seem to have steady sponsors

<alefteris> is there a tango theme for kde?

<linopil> and what is default ? did the germans and novell understand we hate zen ?

<linopil> I had an issue with suse today

<linopil> opened an suse box from suspend added dvd before turning on

<linopil> windows auto detects that

<alefteris> what's updating like in suse? does it compare with the debian one?

<linopil> suse did not

<linopil> some use smart alefteris

<linopil> you should try suse on some box alefteris

<linopil> IMHO debian is the smoothest update

<alefteris> if i had a spare one, i would

<linopil> apt-get and aptitude

<alefteris> i dont actually use aptitute, everyones says its geat.. what is it about it?

<linopil> aptitude

<alefteris> yes

<linopil> !aptitude

<ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide

<alefteris> you can use apt-get autoremove to do the same

<linopil> how did you underline last line?

<linopil> sure

<alefteris> any other benefit?

<apokryphos> linopil: they're both installed by default, but zmd is the update manager. It works perfectly now though, but the opensuse package management system wasn't tested enough to be default

<apokryphos> it only takes one edit of a line to make it default though. But as I said, zmd has been mastered more-or-less now though

<apokryphos> it's good for an enterprise release because of its flexibility, but it's more problematic on a standard desktop setup

<alefteris> any review of 10.2 yet..

<geokok> tin kano paidia...c ya

<alefteris> what;s that: support for internal SD card readers. Its for memory card slots in laptops?

<apokryphos> alefteris: not yet; released half an hour ago 8)

<alefteris> geokok, c u

<alefteris> they didn't put ie7 in? thats wierld :P

<alefteris> i really like the splash screen they have for grub, not that i see it very often, but still.. is this available for edgy?

<alefteris> suse was the first linux distro i tryed with 6.2 :P

<alefteris> apokryphos, do you like the xp-style main menu?

<apokryphos> which one?

<alefteris> the main menu in opensuse..

<alefteris> when you select appl tab, are they organised in categories?

<apokryphos> I don't think it's XP style at all =)

<apokryphos> ubotu: kickoff

<ubotu> kickoff is ~= s/SUSE/openSUSE/

<apokryphos> bah

<alefteris> ok sorry vist style then

<alefteris> come, its the same

<apokryphos> ubotu: no kickoff is <reply> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331

<ubotu> I'll remember that, apokryphos

<apokryphos> why? Because it's slightly bigger?

<apokryphos> it does almost *everything* in a different way

<alefteris> yeap, with more clicks though..

<apokryphos> XP menu has: no integrated search, no split/tab-like view of different items, no different leaving menu, etc

<apokryphos> no clicks, just hover 8)

<apokryphos> I think you're just assuming it's like XP because it has a similar shape

<alefteris> and functionality, ex the favotite aps, integraded search, shortcuts for powering off, computer

<alefteris> current user

<apokryphos> how is the functionality the same? How is the favourite apps the same?

<apokryphos> the old K Menu had all of this

<apokryphos> integrated search....... nope, XP has no integrated search

<alefteris> vista has

<apokryphos> don't know about vista, just xp 8)

<apokryphos> this has been in the works from quite some time ago

<apokryphos> and the SLED gnome menu with integrated search from even before that

<alefteris> its looks similar to vista's menu. I dont say its a bad thing.. but i do not like it. i prefer the gnome menu as it is default in ubuntu..

<alefteris> generaly i dont use it much anyway, have lanchers in the panel for what i need most often, you can have the deskbar for serach and other staff... Are they thinking of putting this in gnome?

<apokryphos> alefteris: link to the vista menu?

<apokryphos> why don't you like it? I like the GNOME SLED menu look for sure, but as a practical and powerful menu, I've never seen a better one than kickoff

<linopil> ha !kickoff

<apokryphos> no need for alt+f2, beagle finally working perfectly, easier on the eyes, great accessibility, etc

<linopil> beagle ? good to know fedora guys want it badly on nautilus and use it

<alefteris> vista menu: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_rtm_homebasic_screenshot_wrapper.asp?img=/images/showcase/winvista_rtm_homebasic_08.jpg

<alefteris> gnome i think is going to use a differend seach indexing deamon..

<apokryphos> yeah, I can't stand the default gnome menu

<apokryphos> and think it's crazy that gnome didn't take sled's gnome one 8)

<apokryphos> I think it's called slab or something

<apokryphos> (in ubuntu)

<apokryphos> alefteris: hm, I see. I'm not sure if that design is a good idea

<apokryphos> I'd have to use it for a bit to really know though

<alefteris> last time i checked, you could install sled in ubuntu, but with missing fanctionality (favorites i think)

<apokryphos> SLED is SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop

<apokryphos> the SLED gnome menu though, you can install, yeah

<apokryphos> can't remember the name now

<alefteris> sorry kickoff i meant

<alefteris> but is it working ok?

<alefteris> favorite apps and documents work?

<apokryphos> it works very nicely

<linopil> gtg

<apokryphos> kickoff = opensuse kde menu

<apokryphos> sled gnome menu = modified menu for gnome

<apokryphos> completely different

<alefteris> ok i got confised with the acronims

<alefteris> :)

<linopil> BTW easy 10.1 >2> 10.2 upgrade ?

<linopil> apokryphos, ?

<apokryphos> http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/latest-sled-10-gnome-menu-in-your-vanilla-101-oss/

<apokryphos> linopil: very easy, yes. I tested it on a few machines here

<alefteris> sled = suse;s gnome menu or SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop

<apokryphos> no, sled is never called the menu

<apokryphos> it's called something else in ubuntu

<alefteris> is it in the repos?

<linopil> metacity?

<apokryphos> it was

<apokryphos> but I don't know what it's called

<alefteris> something else, has anyone tryed the compiz from edgy-backports?

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