| <MagicFab> It' s been a while we haven' t used our #ubuntu-co-meeting channel | |
| <MagicFab> Can anyone remind me how to save logs ? or how logs are saved/when ? | |
| <morgs> MagicFab, if you have LoCoBot in your channel then see here: http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/ | |
| <MagicFab> tx a bunch | |
| <MagicFab> How do I become / stay an op on my locoteam channel ? | |
| <looksaus> jono, about a local language announcements list for our locoteam | |
| <looksaus> well, two actually, because of the two official languages and the way we work | |
| <jono> looksaus, which team? | |
| <jono> ahhh the belgian team | |
| <looksaus> err, the Belgian team, yes | |
| <jono> yeah we don't want to issue more mailing lists | |
| <jono> one list is plenty per team | |
| <looksaus> ok, just to be sure | |
| <jono> otherwise it fragments discussion | |
| <looksaus> hm, that's why I was a bit confused by the mailman admin's answre | |
| <phanatic> jono: what can i do, if the edgy cds have still not arrived? (the hungarian team is officially approved, and i sent a mail to the shipit address in the right format) | |
| <looksaus> it's not meant to be a discussion list at all, more something like a newsletter | |
| <looksaus> practically speaking, there's no problem, it's just a bit confusing | |
| <looksaus> when you seem to like the idea more centralisation and integration into launchpad | |
| <looksaus> we can and will create a separate list for this | |
| <looksaus> I was only trying to show that I was not opposed to the idea of more centralisation per se | |
| <looksaus> we really need a newsletter as a means of working with potential supporters who can't be expected to deal with lots of mail | |
| <looksaus> jono, sorry, rereading this, you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say because of my not really superb English language skills | |
| <looksaus> so reformulating: | |
| <looksaus> it feels a bit strange to have you advocate on one hand taking away administrative burden from locoteams through centralisation | |
| <jono> phanatic, mail shipit | |
| <jono> looksaus, centralisation in launchpad does not mean loco teams get loads of mailing lists | |
| <jono> the policy will still be one list per team | |
| <looksaus> yes, understood that, just trying to make sure that we were trying to be good community citizens by asking for something centralised | |
| <phanatic> jono: thanks, i will | |
| <looksaus> make that "trying to make sure that you knew we were trying to be good community citizens by asking for something centralised" | |
| <jono> looksaus, sure a centralised service is good, but we want to ensure there is no fragmentation in discussion - lots of mailing lists just causes confusion | |
| <looksaus> jono, do you feel uncomfortable then about us creating a separate -announce thing? | |
| <looksaus> (on our own server of course) | |
| <looksaus> I'm really doing my best to understand your point | |
| <jono> looksaus, I would, yes | |
| <looksaus> would you feel more comfortable if I said that to avoid fragmentation we would discuss or cross post announcements sent to -announce on the main list? | |
| <looksaus> does this take away your fear of fragmentation? | |
| <jono> looksaus, ok let me be clear - each team should have a single mailing list - it provides a single point of contact, a single place for discussion, a single place for announcements - having multiple lists only fragements the community, fragements the discussion | |
| <jono> looksaus, just send everything to one list | |
| <jono> then it is solved :) | |
| <looksaus> there is no way we can get these >100 people who have already signed up for news from the local ubuntu community interested | |
| <looksaus> in following discussions over when the next fair will be, how we could buy a big banner or things | |
| <jono> looksaus, put your fair info on your website | |
| <jono> looksaus, tbh, *very* few people subscribe to announce lists anyway | |
| <looksaus> jono, we actively recruit people to do so | |
| <looksaus> invite people to do so | |
| <looksaus> and we're quite successful at it | |
| <jono> looksaus, sure, but recruit those people into the main group | |
| <effie_jayx> jono who could I talk to about activation of a site? | |
| <jono> looksaus, but sorry, the policy is that we have one list per group - it keeps the group focussed and has worked well in the past | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, activiation? | |
| <JanC> jono: I think you don't actually understand... | |
| <looksaus> hey, I'm not asking for a list at Canonical | |
| <jono> I know | |
| <jono> you are on about setting up your own list | |
| <jono> and running your own list | |
| <effie_jayx> Jono, see ... my LoCo contact has opened a space | |
| <jono> called -announce | |
| <looksaus> well, yes, something we perfectly have a right to | |
| <looksaus> and I fail to see where your objections are | |
| <JanC> jono: we *will* use those -announce lists, either on the canonical server or on our own.. | |
| <effie_jayx> Jono I have been apointed to find a contact that he can talk to about the domain's account and information | |
| <looksaus> we think we may be able to use them productively | |
| <effie_jayx> the site is www.ubuntu-ve.org | |
| <jono> looksaus, I am not telling you to not do it - I am telling you the policy | |
| <looksaus> nothing will be lost by doing so, right? | |
| <jono> go ahead and break that policy if you like | |
| <JanC> we have > 100 people in Belgium wanting to see *only* news & announcements | |
| <looksaus> where is this policy written out? | |
| <looksaus> whom was it written by? | |
| <jono> looksaus, its not written down right now, it is being written up | |
| <jono> but has been in action from the start | |
| <JanC> there is no way those people want to see discussions | |
| <looksaus> will there be community input to that process? | |
| <jono> like I say, go ahead and set the list up if you like :) | |
| <jono> looksaus, there is community input to everything, as you know | |
| <JanC> well, in that case it's easier for us to move the discussion list to our own server too... | |
| <looksaus> JanC, I don't agree to that | |
| <jono> JanC, I don't agree | |
| <jono> I think all loco teams should be on lists.ubuntu.com for consistancy and if you want to set up another list, shoot | |
| <JanC> it is easier for the list admins... | |
| <jono> JanC, how? | |
| <jono> let me be clear here | |
| <JanC> like, doing moderation ? | |
| <effie_jayx> sorry jono... not the right time :S :D | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, sorry, one sec | |
| <JanC> remembering passwords ? | |
| <jono> JanC, why moderation on an announce only list? | |
| <looksaus> jono, you're perfectly right there :) | |
| <JanC> well, that would depend | |
| <jono> the policy that I refer to is just the way things have worked so far, and we assign each group a mailing list - we recommend one list per group as it focusses discussion | |
| <jono> its like when people set up forums, many people set up a forum with 10 sub-forums - all that happens is fragemented discussion | |
| <jono> that happens with multiple mailing lists | |
| <JanC> how does having an announce list split up discussion ??? | |
| <jono> JanC, because some people will join that list and not the mail one | |
| <JanC> jono: obviously | |
| <jono> and that prevents you being able to encourage them to be a part of the main community | |
| <jono> hey, its your choice, do what you like | |
| <looksaus> jono, so if we would go ahead, we could reassure you by | |
| <looksaus> (not only reassure you, but do a good thing in general by) | |
| <JanC> actually, that list would be the only channel to reach many of those people | |
| <looksaus> 1. trying to lure -announce readers to the main list | |
| <looksaus> 2. defining very clearly the reason of existence of the -announce list | |
| <JanC> we have people unsubscribing almost every other they because of too heavy traffic on the discussion list... | |
| <JanC> other day | |
| <looksaus> 3. cross posting annoucnements to main and -announce | |
| <JanC> and setting follow-up to the discussion list | |
| <looksaus> good point | |
| <looksaus> jono, anything else we could do to avoid fragmentation | |
| <jono> looksaus, I think those things would make a lot of sense :) | |
| <looksaus> as I said, I really want this ubuntu-be.org thing to work | |
| <looksaus> I'm investing a lot of the little time and money I have into it | |
| <jono> sure | |
| <jono> as are we all | |
| <looksaus> it's not in my interest to have fragmentation, you made a really good point | |
| <jono> do as you feel is best :) | |
| <jono> but I have expressed my opinions, if you disagree, go ahead | |
| <looksaus> maybe you have more ideas to pull the two more closely together? | |
| <jono> not really, you ideas are fine | |
| <looksaus> thx for sharing your thoughts | |
| <looksaus> I hope I was right in insisting on this -announce thing; If it doesn't work, I won't hesitate to propose axing it | |
| <effie_jayx> Jono, I'm sorry if I was interrupting | |
| <looksaus> effie_jayx, sorry for taking so much time | |
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| <effie_jayx> looksaus, nah .. you got your things sorted out :D | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, sorry what did you want to discuss again? | |
| <effie_jayx> Jono, I am trying to contact somebody that can help me set up our website. our loco's site is www.ubuntu.org.ve | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, right | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, and you need hosting? | |
| <effie_jayx> Jono, and we have gotten persmission to set it up with you guys at www.ubuntu-ve.org | |
| <jono> right | |
| <effie_jayx> Jono, the space is up... who is the contact person that my LoCo contact can talk to about getting things for our team to run | |
| <effie_jayx> the site | |
| <effie_jayx> ? | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, speak to newz2000 | |
| <jono> :) | |
| <effie_jayx> ok | |
| <effie_jayx> about the mailing list... | |
| <effie_jayx> we have one.. and we want to bring it to the ubuntu main server... | |
| <effie_jayx> getting rid of the old one | |
| <effie_jayx> the same person for that? | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, ok, you want a list on lists.ubuntu.com? | |
| <effie_jayx> yes | |
| <effie_jayx> we have one on a venezuelan server | |
| <jono> mail mailman@lists.ubuntu.com and ask for it | |
| <effie_jayx> great... | |
| <effie_jayx> ok | |
| <jono> ask for it to be called ubuntu-ve | |
| <effie_jayx> jono the LoCo contact will be doing that | |
| <effie_jayx> I am just the language mediator ;) | |
| <effie_jayx> jono is there a recomende CMS for the site? | |
| <effie_jayx> I have seen pretty cool Human themes in some pages and I wonder if there is one ready ready... not to reinvent the wheel | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, yeah, ask newz2000 about that :) | |
| <effie_jayx> ok I'm off then | |
| <effie_jayx> :D | |
| <effie_jayx> thanks jono the venezuelan LoCo team is very greatfull | |
| <jono> effie_jayx, :) | |
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