<ryanakca> lophyte: jamonation: ah. too bad I'm the only Ubuntu / Kubuntu user in Kingston

<ryanakca> from what I've heard at least... I've seen 2-3 people going around with slackware shirts over the past couple of years

<jamonation> eeeww

<tonyyarusso> ryanakca: I'll be in Kingston for 2009-10

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> oooh, interesting...

<ryanakca> :D

<ryanakca> KLUG seems to have gone under as well... last meeting I think was... 2 years ago

<tonyyarusso> Ouch

<tonyyarusso> Toronto does pretty well though

<tonyyarusso> Maybe just need to leach a few folks from there.

<tonyyarusso> Say, in my trunk during the night. They'd never know the difference. ;)

<ryanakca> yeah... 2 years ago was the meeting, and the last post to the mailing lists was "2006-05-05 11:12 -400"

<ryanakca> lol

<ryanakca> meh, in 2009, I'll be 17... I'll probably be able to poke enough people then to organise a LUG meeting without drawing strange looks :D

* jamonation pokes ryanakca

* ryanakca is poked

<jamonation> do you have anything linux related at your school?

<ryanakca> no...

<ryanakca> well, yes and no

<ryanakca> I managed to convince the principal to let me install linux on an old compaq server that someone donated to our school...

<jamonation> can you get anything linux related started? try starting a club instead then

<ryanakca> but that was the last week of school... didn't get to do much... everything else is windows

<jamonation> my father is a teacher at a high school, I convinced him to start an ubuntu club (he's a tech teacher)

<ryanakca> I've got one teacher who wants me to install it on his home teacher, and the computer teacher has agreed to let me tinker around with the server again next semester, seeing that I already know all there is to know about word/excel/powerpoint

<jamonation> lol, yeah

<ryanakca> yeah, I've got someone in 11th grade who wants me to install it on his old PC

<jamonation> try to get some money from your student's council

<jamonation> how about organizing an installfest at your school?

<jamonation> even if you can get 5 people, that's awesome

<ryanakca> and then someone else who wants me to install it on his mac

<jamonation> and your student's council would have to let you publicise it, like posters or newletter stuff

<ryanakca> yeah... see... your/his school is probably couple thousand

<ryanakca> I'm in a french school of about 200

<jamonation> that's about 5 already

<jamonation> you're there dude, go for it

<jamonation> even better with a smaller group, everyone will hear about it

<ryanakca> we have 2 old compaq servers kicking around... that's all I'm allowed to touch

<ryanakca> yeah

<jamonation> mmm, more than I ever had (i.e. wasn't allowed to do anything with school computers)

<ryanakca> well, I've got 2 teachers for sure, and 1-2 students

<ryanakca> lol

<jamonation> talk to lophyte about promoting it, might even get the local paper or radio station/university involved

<jamonation> go for it, you've got 4-5 users already, you can't loose!

* ryanakca thinks he should borrow his mom's laptop and then install beryl / kubuntu on it

<ryanakca> that would get loads of people...

<jamonation> think she'd notice?

<jamonation> lol

<ryanakca> show beryl to people... then people say "that's soo cool... windows sucks compared to that"...

<jamonation> exactly, i do that myself (then it crashes)...

<ryanakca> yeah

<jamonation> but lophyte upgraded me to the newest verrsion, much faster and more stable

<ryanakca> heh, my computer teacher let me play around on the kubuntu live cd on the school computers... wasn't allowed to install it though

<ryanakca> Queens University? nah... not now

<ryanakca> lol, definitly

<ryanakca> she teachers math 9, 10, 11, commerce 10-11... and she has all her exams and nices things on it

<jamonation> i bet if you poked around the compsci deptartment at Queens you'd find some interested parties

<ryanakca> and she doesn't even bother setting a password on it

<jamonation> yeah, she has to use that stupid report card software

<ryanakca> newest version? of kubuntu/ubuntu?

<jamonation> newest beryl

<ryanakca> well, the report card software is on the network

<ryanakca> I could probably find it if I poked around with nmap on and the live cd...

<ryanakca> they probably have a stupid password like '00000' as well

<ryanakca> as you can see, I don't think too highly of my school's techie

<jamonation> most are rather mediocre

* ryanakca wonders about konversation's OSD...

<ryanakca> the OSD for "[20:01] * jamonation pokes ryanakca" popped up now, 13 minutes later...

<jamonation> that's not a good sign

* ryanakca wonders if running 2 pbuilders on this old thing has anything to do with it

<ryanakca> Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.19 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1994 bogomips), HD: 40/186GB, RAM: 353/376MB, 148 proc's, 1.0d up

<jamonation> 2 at the same time?

<ryanakca> yes, pbuilder create for edgy and feisty

* ryanakca has a new install

<jamonation> i was thinking of using debootstrap to try feisty

<jamonation> but debian etch's installer supports encrypted partitions, so it's a tossup

<ryanakca> hmm

<jamonation> 256bit aes filesystem encryption, mmm, yummy

<jamonation> someone mentioned encfs here, can't recall who it was, sounds good too

<Simon80> jamon: how is the UI implemented for enc'd FSs?

<Simon80> I personally think it'd be cool to integrate it with login completely

<jamonation> Simon80: on debian anyways you boot form grub

<jamonation> when the filesystem gets mounted, things stop and await your password

<jamonation> then the kernel continues

<Simon80> yeah, that's shitty

<jamonation> depends

<Simon80> is it possible to have a growing fs in a file, encrypted?

<jamonation> i've set it up on my root and swap partitions

<Simon80> cause you can just put the home dir into some sort of flexible loopback encrypted file craziness

<jamonation> I think so, debian configures the partition as a lvm volume

<Simon80> and then mount it when the user's pass is entered

<jamonation> and then encrypts the partition on the volume

<Simon80> who told me about fail2ban? I'm happy that I know of it now, both my boxes apparently get brute forced

<jamonation> it uses either loop-aes or dm-crypt

<Simon80> get attempts, I mean

<jamonation> fail2ban?

<Simon80> yeah

<Simon80> ssh, fail, ssh, fail, ssh fail .... ban for x minutes

<jamonation> ssh brute forcing?

<jamonation> right

<jamonation> i use snort and put ssh on another port

<Simon80> if you have any boxes with port 22 exposed to the intarweb, just check out your auth.log

<Simon80> snort?

<jamonation> snort is a super intrusion detection system

<jamonation> with logwatch and snort you're near invincible

<jamonation> and with nepenthes you can have a lot of fun

<Simon80> hmm

<Simon80> I dunno if that's my idea of fun

<jamonation> you could also setup knockd to configure port knocking instead of just connecting to a single port

<Simon80> yeah

<jamonation> nepenthes is a great honeypot for catching skiddiesand virii

<Simon80> yeah, indeed

<Simon80> but what would I do with it after? lol

<Simon80> anyway, how would you knock on a knockd box, just using ssh -p?

<jamonation> why clean the infested machine of course ;)

<ryanakca> snort :D

<jamonation> tbh, I've never needed knockd

<Simon80> yeah

<Simon80> seems unnecessary, and it means opening more ports

<Simon80> good to run on your fw

<Simon80> lol

<jamonation> well i think they actually show up as closed

<jamonation> your machine would show up completely closed (I think)

<Simon80> yeah, of course, but I mean, if you're using a box, behind a cheap router, you need to open up on the router

<jamonation> right

<Simon80> I'm just lazy, see

<Simon80> apt-get install fail2ban took all of 5 seconds though

<jamonation> well, cheap wrt54gl router (~$50) can let you run linux embedded

<jamonation> it's superb

<Simon80> dude, forget the wrt54gl

<Simon80> WR850G all the way

<Simon80> haha

<jamonation> never heard of it, better?

<Simon80> yes, indeed

<Simon80> motorola, $32, also can run openwrt

<Simon80> haven't tried yet though, because the 1st party firmware is very usable, and lets you turn off NAT and use it like an AP

<jamonation> the operative word was cheap there ... ;P

<Simon80> and cause I'm squeamish

<Simon80> with flashing 3rd party stuff to my router, lol

<jamonation> mm, bricking that would suck

<Simon80> but I bought it specifically because it also ran linux

<BluesKaj> can anyone suggest a utility for erasing dvdrws other the reformat option in K3B ?

<jamonation> cool

<jamonation> dvd+rw-format

<Simon80> I was shopping for wrt54G for a month or so, then it occurred to me to try to find other routers in openwrt's hw compat page

<Simon80> and then I realized that I could have bought one of those

<jamonation> i should have thought of that

<Simon80> felt stupid, realized I hadn't actually been shopping around

<Simon80> :)

<jamonation> i do like the dd-wrt firmware personally, not sure if it is more or less compatible

<Simon80> prolly more? they got on the WRT54gv5

<jamonation> for $50 though, I'm pleased, like having a $500 router

<Simon80> lol

<Simon80> that good eh?

<Simon80> what is the draw?

<jamonation> it's pretty sweet

<Simon80> what features make it worth it, I mean/

<jamonation> well, the new ones have a usb/sd card slot

<Simon80> oh, inside

<jamonation> so you can essentially turn off your computer, leave torrents running overnight on the router

<Simon80> lol

<Simon80> is this the GL?

<jamonation> or you can run a whole distro off the flash card

<jamonation> gls maybe

<Simon80> you had to crack it open though, right?

<jamonation> can't recall

<jamonation> nope

<Simon80> hrm, ok, def not the gl

<jamonation> i just have the wrt54gl

<Simon80> ah

<Simon80> but like, what do you use that you couldn't with the 1st party firmware?

<jamonation> but a guy at the linuxcaffe the othernight had a new wrt54g(something) and it looked sweet for the aforementioned reason(s)

<Simon80> ah

<jamonation> ssh to the router

<Simon80> yes!

<Simon80> forgot about that..

<jamonation> so handy

<Simon80> ...not sure why I'd want to though

<Simon80> other than remote admin

<jamonation> that's all the reason I need

<jamonation> ssh to the router, then to my box

<Simon80> I'd like having logs everywhere

<Simon80> oh

<Simon80> I suppose that works too

<jamonation> one port

<jamonation> also, dynamic dns service

<Simon80> meh, you can run that from behind the router

<Simon80> I already do

<jamonation> you could

<Simon80> it just scrapes the IP from the router's web config

<jamonation> I'm looking into radius authentication now, gonna share my wireless with the neighbours

<Simon80> fun

<Simon80> I haven't even considered that

<jamonation> 6th floor apartment with others around

<Simon80> my street's got a few open one's anyhow

<jamonation> yeah

<Simon80> my friend, she won't close it, lol, I'm like, put a password on it!

<jamonation> at least isolate the ap from the lan

<Simon80> hah, lol, the reason the thing's open is laziness in the first place

<Simon80> anyway, good night

<jamonation> night

<Simon80> I'm in toronto.. but need sleep

<jamonation> right, still early at bloor and spadina...

<ryanakca> jamonation: where are you? out west?

<jamonation> toronto... I'm ashamed to say

<jamonation> another toronto person

<lophyte> jamonation: ashamed? :P

<jamonation> lol

<somerville32> Madpilot: You live in Canada?

<Madpilot> yes

<Madpilot> Victoria

<somerville32> :)

<somerville32> A lot of Ubuntu people live in Canada

<tonyyarusso> My car won't start :(

<BluesKaj> Morning folks

<Alan-D> ubotu: how to mount external disk with read & write ntfs format

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how to mount external disk with read & write ntfs format - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Alan-D> ubotu: how to mount external disk

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how to mount external disk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Alan-D> ubotu: how to mount ntfs partitions with read & write

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how to mount ntfs partitions with read & write - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<BluesKaj> anyone know how to get jackeq setup in edgy , it doesn't run for some reason ...terminal output : Cannot contact JACK server, is it running?

<prg3> Alan-D, mount -o rw -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs doesn't do it?

<Alan-D> prg3: Tell you in a miniute

<Alan-D> prg3: It'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out

<Alan-D> ubotu: how to set ownership to user and group

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how to set ownership to user and group - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Alan-D> exit

<Burgwork> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382700

<Burgwork> wrong window

<Alan-D> same here

<Alan-D> df

<Alan-D> again

<tonyyarusso> Burgwork: I think my wiki page (/TonyYarusso) is pretty much ready to go; just getting final lookovers by anyone who has a minute

<Burgwork> ok, cool

<Alan-D> ubotu: how to reset video driver

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how to reset video driver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Alan-D> ubotu: reset video driver

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reset video driver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<BluesKaj> hey gents , I'm in stalling mythtv and ai floowed this instruction and I realized that I had made mistake as soon i hit the enter key and I now have just a > as a prompt in the terminal. How do I get back to my /home prompt so i don't screw up the install sequence ?

<BluesKaj> err followed

<BluesKaj> the instruction was cd ~'):

<Alan-D> BluesKaj: If you do a ctrl-c then cd /home

<BluesKaj> got it , thx Alan-D

<Alan-D> BluesKaj: np

<Alan-D> ubotu: setting group ownership

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about setting group ownership - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Alan-D> ubotu: file ownership

<ubotu> file: Determines file type using "magic" numbers. In component main, is standard. Version 4.17-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 100 kB

<tonyyarusso> !permissions | Alan-D

<ubotu> Alan-D: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux

<BluesKaj> Why would ADEPT recommend the removal of the K Desktop Environment official modules ? Isn't that the KDE Desktop ?

*** tristan_ is now known as tristan|away

<dominussuus> jamonation - further to our brief exchange on Saturday I reinstalled Dapper, upgraded to Edgy, and almost all of my problems magically disappeared

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