<siccness> Morning/Afternoon
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<merlin-linux> siccness: hiya bloke
<flaccid> ne1 else have adsl/internode outage just then for a while?
<realist> flaccid: asking whirlpool might be a better forum
<flaccid> nah that would be stupid
<realist> suit yourself ;-)
<flaccid> no point posting an outage on whirlpool
<flaccid> i just wanted to see 'right now' if anyone here was affected
<flaccid> thanks anyway :)
<Davo_Dinkum> Yo dudes where can I find the source for these apps? http://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Applications
<flaccid> on the interweb
<Davo_Dinkum> What program do I need to convert xvid files (With the .AVI file extension) to VOB files?
<bokey> optus people. useless!
<Davo_Dinkum> Sure are.
<bokey> i was told my system dials itself.
<bokey> in my fucking bill.
<bokey> but I use broabband. =)
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL they probably think it does.
<bokey> Davo_Dinkum, they have this hidden channel.
<bokey> root people out of their pay.
<flaccid> then your system probably does dial itself ?
<bokey> flaccid, hahah.. good one.
<Davo_Dinkum> Porn dialer.
<flaccid> i use you use PPP/PPPoE... so it would dial itself
<bokey> flaccid, you aware of any remote dialers for PPPoE ?
<flaccid> use=assume
<Davo_Dinkum> porn-dialer.deb
<bokey> flaccid, it can't/
<flaccid> what do you mean by remote dialers?
<flaccid> bokey: it can't?
<bokey> flaccid, it can't
<flaccid> it can't what?
<bokey> flaccid, read my other msg
<flaccid> root people out of their pay?
<flaccid> i'm confused..
<bokey> flaccid, are you aware of any remote dialing software for PPPoE ?
<bokey> flaccid, i can assume bots doing this but it's in windows world not in Gnu/Linux world atleast for now.
<cafuego_> bokey: remote dialing software for pppoe?
<bokey> cafuego, yeah optus said that to me
<cafuego_> bokey: what kind of crack are they on?
<flaccid> i guess i ignore the word remote. because a ppp client can dial anywhere
<cafuego_> just pppoe on Linux does pppoe
<flaccid> there are thousands of dialers in windows world (trojans)
<bokey> flaccid, i monitor my system very carefully. use iptables and use clamav updated daily.
<flaccid> yeah you don't have to worry on *nix about dialers
<cafuego_> they dial phone numbers, so you get charged
<bokey> cafuego_, =)
<flaccid> yeah thats happened to me before
<cafuego_> what would be the point for pppoe
<flaccid> cost me 80 bux
<cafuego_> if that happens, the bos is ALREADY a zombie
<bokey> and they don't mention that in their policy. I am fed up!
<bokey> and even if they did. I am gonna sue these MOFO!
<flaccid> trust me its in their policy
<flaccid> there is nothing you can do but pay for the phone calls
<bokey> flaccid, show me where it is.
<flaccid> i don't have time to find it
<bokey> flaccid, yes. I am tax paying citizen and I can do something rather than sit back and pay the fucking bill to these mofos.
<Davo_Dinkum> bokey: Also look at their AUP. (Which is a word doc of course)
<flaccid> but i used to work for optus and this also happened to me and i saw the term in the policy back then
<flaccid> bokey: why? they are not responsible for the phone call, you are
<bokey> flaccid, but if *they* say that my system dials itself where as nothing shows up in my logs, I can prove it in the damn court!
<flaccid> you won't be able to prove that you have not removed it from logs
<flaccid> you would loose
<bokey> will they be able to prove that they have put stuffs in the log ?
<bokey> no.
<Davo_Dinkum> And yet screenshots hold up in illegal file sharing cases. Explain that one.
<bokey> they haven't sorry.
<flaccid> there were precedents on this that i looked up as well
<flaccid> if you find those, you'll see you won't win in court...
<bokey> enough of that.. see you all later =)
<Davo_Dinkum> See ya.
<flaccid> bye
<flaccid> passing the buck is almost a social standard in australia these days
<Davo_Dinkum> Blaming someone else?
<bokey> I won't tolerate it. Atleast my own hard working penny!
<bokey> pennies.
<flaccid> you are passing the buck...
<Davo_Dinkum> It's just money.
<flaccid> perhaps you shouldn't have used windows
<bokey> Davo_Dinkum, that's the thing. it's money and for me hard-workd == more money. So, why should let these mofos take my bloody money ? I shouldn't. It's called extortion.
<bokey> and it's happening at coporate level.
<flaccid> i also just found it in the policy. subsection 8.1: (a)You must pay all fees and charges which are incurred for the service even if you did not authorise its use.
<flaccid> it happens everyday bokey. its called the government. why should you even pay taxes at all then?
<Davo_Dinkum> There you go.
<bokey> and there are people who work 24/7 who monitor their logs 24/7 to just identify these kind of traffic. They are in their *mind* working for good cause. Bullshit.
<bokey> flaccid, i pay tax because AFAIK it'll benefit the nation as a whole.
<flaccid> but you don't question the tax you pay, however you are happy to not pay for a phone call that was your responsibilty.
<flaccid> doesn't make sense to me
<bokey> tax is goverment. phone bill is corporation. find the difference ?
<flaccid> optus offers you the service to benefit the nation as a whole....
<flaccid> well thats irrelevant in this case
<flaccid> you made a legal agreement which you don't want to uphold
<bokey> haha.. =) yeah optus offers me service.
<flaccid> i've already been through all this. i just paid because i am Legally obliged to.
<bokey> flaccid, don't get into law my friend. It's a whole different story. Law itself is made to protect the corporations and the person who sues the corporation.
<bokey> sorry.. and *not* the person who sues the corporation.
<flaccid> the law is the law
<bokey> it's designed that way. you have money. you win.
<flaccid> i don't agree with it. i'm simply citing it to you...
<bokey> flaccid, rather than discuss in these vague discussions, I'll head off.. I have to be somewhere. =) thanks for your insights.
<flaccid> heh vague discussions. i was being very specific....
<flaccid> but you can't win so i'll see you next time
<flaccid> :)
<pschulz01_> Anyone here use a SCSI tape drive under Ubuntu?
<Changlinn> pschulz01: not yet, will do
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<merlin-linux> bloody crap, my has to evacuate her horse were they are as the is a bush fire there
<merlin-linux> and i can see the fire from my place
<cps> your what?
<DarkMageZ> merlin-linux, please use better english... that was not understandable
<siccness> "my mother has to evacuate her horse where they are, as the bush fire is there"
<cps> they are probably just in a panic after seeing fire
<elkbuntu> possibly
<elkbuntu> however...
<siccness> panic or not, i'd get the hell away from a fire.
<elkbuntu> omgwtfbbqlol
<siccness> rolfmoabrbrhomiedawgbbqlormtoao
<cps> yeah that's a good example of better English
<elkbuntu> seriously merlin-linux. you just did omgbbqbrb
<elkbuntu> or however it goes...
<elkbuntu> holy crap.. even urbandictionary doesnt get it right...
<flaccid> mmmmm bbq
<merlin-linux> sorry for the bad english
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, it's ok, we know you were in a panic
<merlin-linux> still am in a panic, if the wind changes direction the fire is head towards the stables
<merlin-linux> and the wind due to change direction in about 30 min by what the fire department are saying
<merlin-linux> and my mums horse may be spending the night here in the backyard
<merlin-linux> horses
<elkbuntu> that will make for an interesting night
<merlin-linux> at least we will get the lawn mowed for free
<merlin-linux> my mum got 3 horses
<cps> do horses mow lawns?
<merlin-linux> and the news thinks it the same arsonist that has been lighting fires there for the last few years
<cps> I can't quite imagine a horse operating a lawn mower
<ThePizzaKing> cps: I have to say, that would be quite entertaining
<siccness> merlin-linux: it's simple. You hold a shot-gun while you enjoy your coopers on the porch
<siccness> when you see him, *bang*
<siccness> fire a shot off
<merlin-linux> cps they eat the lawn
<merlin-linux> hehe
<cps> that makes more sense
<ThePizzaKing> but it's not as entertaining
<siccness> C'mon Australia
<siccness> hit em for 6
* Tatey hits 'em for 7
<siccness> 107 runs to win, 143 balls remaining
<quail> this what the fire looks like from my place >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/IMG_0269.JPG
<siccness> thats nuts, quail
<Davo_Dinkum> Holy crap run quail
<elkbuntu> you've only got it on one horizon?
<merlin-linux> the fire not around me
<merlin-linux> that the fire that up were my mum has here horses, but i can see the smoke from my place
<DarkMageZ> psh, back when i went on holidays to canberra. the sky had turned black
<pschulz01_> merlin-linux: Wow.. atleast the bird doesn't seem to be worried.
<siccness> yea thats called night time, DarkMageZ
<DarkMageZ> siccness, :P
<siccness> pschulz01_: birds can fly :P
<DarkMageZ> siccness, i didn't think nighttime comes at 4pm
<siccness> DarkMageZ: can do.
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, im in a valley, we're seeing plumes like that from all directions at regular times. theres a few un-extinguishable fires around here atm
<pschulz01_> DarkMageZ: When the first(?) lot of Sydney bushfires were on, I was at ANU.. you couldn't see Blacktop Mountain from the campus.
<pschulz01_> elkbuntu: Where are you?
<elkbuntu> pschulz01, lavington
<siccness> Closest thing we've had to a fire (around here) would have to be about Ferntree Gully (whcich is what ThePizzaKing, 5-8km away from us?)
<ThePizzaKing> Yeah, not far at all
<siccness> Those were some crazy fires
<elkbuntu> pschulz01, (which is a suburb of albury)
<merlin-linux> elkbuntu: that fire is in the Onkaparinga Gorge and the only they can fight it is with water bombers
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, some fires arent worth the money bombers involve
<flaccid> time to go home
<flaccid> i've coded enough
<merlin-linux> the fire has got bigger
<flaccid> thats no good
<siccness> hussey is class
<Davo_Dinkum> Why?
<flaccid> ok good luck with fires
<flaccid> cyas later
<quail> this what it looks like now >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/IMG_0270.JPG
<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: His ability to place the ball
<siccness> quail: looks as if it's shiftin to the right
<Davo_Dinkum> Oh I thought you meant Dave Hughes
<siccness> No, Dave Hughes is a tool
<siccness> with possibly the worst sense of humour
<Davo_Dinkum> He used to be a druggie
<merlin-linux> i think it sort of heading my way
<siccness> Well I'm sure you've got a fire-plan yeah?
<merlin-linux> but if it is they build a fire break
<merlin-linux> yeah grab my laptop and run like hell
<siccness> 4 more runs!
<merlin-linux> lol
<siccness> and hell yeah
<merlin-linux> it will not get to me
<merlin-linux> as the fire about 8Km away
<merlin-linux> damn, i just got a call and the fire is just down the road from where my mum got her horses
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, you should go help her
<merlin-linux> i am, i make the backyard horse safe
<siccness> another 4 runs
<siccness> this is what im talkin about
<siccness> 67 runs to win
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, forget about telling us about it until it's done, typing isnt helping them :-/
<siccness> What the hell is Martyn doing
<merlin-linux> well the 3 horses and my mum are safe
<cps> good to hear
<merlin-linux> and the horse are not coming back here now they have gone to a friends property for the night
<merlin-linux> but the fire got within meters from where my mum keeps her horse when she left
<cps> no free lawn mowing then :-(
<merlin-linux> nah
<merlin-linux> not to worry tho i will have to do it on the weekend if it not to hot
<adhoc> check out tomorrows weather forecast
<adhoc> Rain probability: 5% (< 1mm)
<adhoc> Thunderstorms clearing
<adhoc> http://www.abc.net.au/adelaide/weather/
<adhoc> Thunderstorms vs 5% chance of less than 1mm
<adhoc> pfffft
<hysterio> poms couldnt buy a victory
<praetorian> win
<pschulz01_> Win!!
* adhoc watches the tumble weeds roll on past
<adhoc> pschulz01_: it needs to be a draw to make people bother to watch the third test...
<adhoc> other wise its a waste of time
<pschulz01_> adhoc: Lot's of people only turned up after the gates were opened.
<DarkMageZ> hello everyone
<hysterio> hello DarkMageZ
<adhoc> hi hysterio
<adhoc> hey DarkMageZ
<hysterio> hi adhoc
<adhoc> pschulz01_: you sorted the serial cable for the Ai2 yet?
<adhoc> or infrared perhaps?
<adhoc> hi MotherLUG =)
<adhoc> hey klepas
<klepas> hey adhoc
<MotherLUG> Hi adhoc
<MotherLUG> sorry was just doing an interview
<adhoc> MotherLUG: =) ah ok
<adhoc> MotherLUG: how be you ?
<MotherLUG> I'm doing well thanks. How are you?
<adhoc> long day =) will crash soon
* klepas just woke up from 10 hours sleep
<MotherLUG> where is siccness , I've been wondering how sick he was today
<adhoc> not to bad otherwise
<MotherLUG> klepas, thats just rude
<klepas> before which i had breakfast and only 4 hours sleep
<adhoc> MotherLUG: he is diseased...
<klepas> yea...
<klepas> i was kinda screwed after getting only 4
<MotherLUG> if you choose to fornicate all night you should still stay up all day
* adhoc pokes klepas you sleep to much!
<elkbuntu> rofl
<klepas> haha
<klepas> MotherLUG: my day would have been way too long
<MotherLUG> noooooo
<klepas> and i had a headache...
<klepas> (which didn't go away after 10 hours... grrr)
<adhoc> klepas: headaches do that ...
<klepas> yea
<adhoc> i'm still making do with the one that i caught two days ago
<klepas> aww that sucks
<adhoc> pschulz01_: pijg?
<adhoc> pschulz01_: you sorted the serial cable for the Ai2 yet?
<adhoc> pschulz01__: you sorted the serial cable for the Ai2 yet?
<adhoc> oh no!
<adhoc> bitwise copies!
<pschulz01__> adhoc: I have 3
<adhoc> did someone run memory.garbageCollector();
<pschulz01__> adhoc: Want one?
* MotherLUG is trying so hard to be responsible and not make wise cracks
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<adhoc> MotherLUG: um .... byte your tounge
<adhoc> unless you run 10 bit bytes
<adhoc> that would be rather a mouthful
<siccness> evening
<klepas> g'evening
<klepas> only 5:33 here :)
<MotherLUG> hello Mr siccness how you feeling today?
<siccness> good, u?
<adhoc> MotherLUG: hungover would be my first bet ;)
<adhoc> pschulz01: ping?
<adhoc> pschulz01: what the URL for your Ai2 bot web page?
* adhoc suspects that pschulz01 is really and eliza bot
<adhoc> s/and/an/
<pschulz01> http://community.mawsonlakes.org/lab/ai2/
<pschulz01> It's not very up to date.
<siccness> adhoc: not really hungover
<elkbuntu> you should be
<siccness> i wasnt great, but not "ohh god kill me"
<DarkMageZ> Hit3k!
<MotherLUG> siccness, I'm glad to hear that
<pschulz01> adhoc: I am the psychotherapist. Please, describe your problems.
<Hit3k> DarkMageZ! not now busy changing from 2.4.33.3 to 2.6.18
<siccness> change to .19
<DarkMageZ> slackware doesn't package .19
<Hit3k> hmm
<Hit3k> I was gonna compile from source
<siccness> plus .19 is kinda confusing
<DarkMageZ> seriously .20 ftw
<siccness> because changing to .20 means you gotta change /etc/fstab too
<siccness> and learn what your new device files are
<siccness> *19
<Hit3k> ewwwwwwwww
<Hit3k> i hate changing fstab
<purserj> /wi/win 18
<Hit3k> it confuses the hell outta me
<DarkMageZ> evolution for the better ftw :)
<adhoc> pschulz01: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhg
<pschulz01> adhoc: Can you elaborate on that?
<adhoc> pschulz01: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhg
<pschulz01> adhoc: Go on, don't be afraid.
<Hit3k> the only problem with the upgrading is that it doesnt want my mouse to work and doesnt mount my home directory
<elkbuntu> wth?
<DarkMageZ> Hit3k, you should upgrade from xorg 6.9 to 7.2 :)
<DarkMageZ> hmm, k... xorg 7.1 then
<Hit3k> why
<Hit3k> I like 6.9
<DarkMageZ> no composite
<Hit3k> I dont need it
<DarkMageZ> if you plan on getting beryl working on xfce
<adhoc> pschulz01: have you orderd a data cable yet?
<pschulz01> adhoc: Why do you say have me orderd a data cable yet?
* pschulz01 actually has.. he has 3 of them.
<adhoc> oh
<pschulz01> adhoc: I need a little more detail please.
<adhoc> i was going to get you to order me one too and i'll give you cash ...
<adhoc> never mind,
<adhoc> can we reverse engineer the cable pin out
<adhoc> and i'll solder them on ...
<pschulz01> adhoc: Is it because of your plans that you say not ever mind?
<elkbuntu> is this the only channel you two are both in, pschulz01 and adhoc?
* adhoc removes the 9mm from the holster
* pschulz01 will stop the 'doctor' program now.. he's confusing himself.
<adhoc> elkbuntu: don't know
<adhoc> elkbuntu: was that a request?
<pschulz01> adhoc: They have a molded plastic connector.. I think that also have a serial/USB converter in them.
<adhoc> right
<elkbuntu> adhoc, well, if you are both in another less public channel, it might be an idea to take this to there
<pschulz01> adhoc: I don't think it would be overly difficult to directly connect a serial.
<adhoc> oh
<elkbuntu> that is, if the bot is still running through you
<adhoc> pschulz01: lets take this into #bettong
<pschulz01> elkbuntu: Sorry.. adhoc mentioned 'elisa'
* pschulz01 claims that adhoc startd it.
<elkbuntu> hehe
* pschulz01 was channeling.
<Hit3k> ! it works now
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it works now - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
<siccness> Business Week claims that it took nearly 10,000 people more than five years to make Vista. As the Seattle Times points out, since the average Microsoft salary is $200,000 that is $10bn that Vole shelled out for salaries alone
<Changlinn> heh if they paid that much...
<Changlinn> they outsource developers to india... probably pay em 5k/year
<Hit3k> man whys the black guy alwaus the evil one
<Hit3k> if microsoft payed that much
<Hit3k> I'd work for them no questions asked
<siccness> I'd work for them if they offered me a job that only paid $40,000
<Changlinn> really...
<Changlinn> I am not saying the black guy is evil, just outsourcing
<Changlinn> can anyone get that to work in linux? http://media.smh.com.au/?rid=24146&category=National%20News
<purserj> sorry, how did this become a rce issue?
<siccness> Koch is a champion
<siccness> but the link doesnt work :|
<siccness> Bahahahahahaa
<siccness> What a crack-up of a joke
<Changlinn> purserj: I don't know...
<Changlinn> siccness: yeah wife missed it and wants to see it
<Changlinn> ain't on google video or youtube
<siccness> This show is just weird, "Weeds"
<purana> weeds is good
<purana> first season was good, 2nd season is even better
<greebo> cafuego, ping?
<siccness> I wonder if it's possible to run vmware inside vmware
<hysterio> dont see why not
<Hit3k> OOo isnt closed source is it
<Hit3k> nvm
<Hit3k> i stated the obvious
<siccness> LOL
<purserj> siccness: do something radical, run the Xen livecd under a vmware session
<siccness> heh
<siccness> not a bad idea
<siccness> ill tell you what, ill set everything up tomorrow
<siccness> and do a few cool things like that
<siccness> i need to download solaris too
<hysterio> cool, then you can run xen inside vmware inside a solaris zone
<praetorian> which is running off a freebsd jail?
<hysterio> naturally
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<MotherLUG> Night Everyone
<siccness> nite
<MotherLUG> siccness, no burbon tonight?
<Kamping_Kaiser> night MotherLUG
<siccness> MotherLUG: polished em all off :(
<MotherLUG> ahh, good, I can go to bed and not worry
<MotherLUG> :D
<MotherLUG> be good
<siccness> :P
<siccness> take care :)
<MotherLUG> dito
<siccness> Does anyone know what the differences between vm-player/workstation and server are?
<praetorian> player = read only
<Kamping_Kaiser> vmware server is what it says
<Kamping_Kaiser> a server (afaik)
<siccness> praetorian: so if i make chances to something on a player file
<siccness> it wont change when i go to boot it again?
<praetorian> oh, that may change .. i guess ..
<praetorian> but you cant create more so
<siccness> ok so, workstation=creates new files, player=just plays files
<siccness> gotcha
<praetorian> workstation can do all
<praetorian> :~
<purserj> I thought workstation was pay for?
<praetorian> it was, not sure what the go is now
<siccness> i dont udnerstand vmware :|
<praetorian> sa,e
<praetorian> same
<praetorian> >>> Emerging (61 of 94) app-emulation/vmware-workstation-5.5.3.34685 to /
<praetorian> Length: 111,527,809 (106M) [application/x-tar]
<praetorian> :~
<siccness> :|
<siccness> im gettin vmmon issue
<siccness> i wouldnt have a clue about it tho
<Tatey> fella's
<siccness> Tatey
<Tatey> hi siccness
<siccness> What's happening mate?
<Tatey> just trolling forums
<siccness> John So is classic
<Tatey> John who?
<siccness> Melbourne Mayor
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<Tatey> oh right
<Tatey> hah, Kevin Rudd is the ALP leader now
<siccness> or some shit like that
<siccness> Heh yeah
<Tatey> I think that's a positive move for the ALP
<Rothbuntu> as long as he dont turn all soft if he gets in to power rudd will be good
<Tatey> yea, there has been doubt that he is strong enough to lead the ALP
<Rothbuntu> he needs to stay in his attacking mode
<Rothbuntu> first we nee to invade fiji O_o
<azza_008> Rothbuntu:
<azza_008> hey
<Rothbuntu> lol
<Rothbuntu> howdy doo
<Tatey> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1964427,00.html
<siccness> money well spent, Tatey
<azza_008> i sat that on the news
<azza_008> saw
<Tatey> I agree, it even announces "colonizing other planets"
<siccness> how they get a budget for shit like that is beyond me
<azza_008> selling saddams heroin
<Rothbuntu> better that then " performance art " i reckon
<siccness> whats that, Rothbuntu?
<Tatey> LOL
<Tatey> yea, nerf welfare and arts and put those funds to a useful project :P
<Tatey> $6000 to have a baby under the age of 18? WTF? seriously
<siccness> Yes, such an intelligent idea.
<azza_008> what a good way to get a new PC
<Tatey> I can understand the compassionate side that the Governement is taking. However, it WILL get abused
<siccness> it IS getting abused
<Tatey> teens will be like "LOL $6k to have hot secz"
<siccness> Really, it's almost prostitution :|
<phlasphy> it is
<Rothbuntu> damn
<Rothbuntu> drive up to " da beff " can prozzie for a can of pepsie and a bag of doritos
<azza_008> what a ripoff
<phlasphy> that is what i feel like doritos
<phlasphy> brb
<phlasphy> sour cream is a must :P
<Yagisan> $6000 ??
<Yagisan> hmm
<phlasphy> Yagisan, are you thinking about it?
<Yagisan> I should aks for the other $5500 I didn't get almost 3 years ago
<phlasphy> lol
<Yagisan> I have two kids because I wanted them
<phlasphy> i am a kid myself :P
<Yagisan> kinda annoyed that someone elses kids are worth $6000
<phlasphy> Yagisan, at least your kids have somebody to love them unlike those born for the money
<Yagisan> true (I was born for the money)
<phlasphy> :(
<Yagisan> it sure as hell is expensive raising kids
<phlasphy> i can imagine
<Yagisan> phlasphy, and I was born early 80s - so its been going on longer the these $6000 bonuses have been around
<phlasphy> i was born 1990
<Yagisan> $600 for a cot (O_O WTF rippoff)
<phlasphy> rofl
<Yagisan> the $200 mattress, $300 or so for a decent pram
<phlasphy> 10% for a cot
<phlasphy> 5 for a pram
<Yagisan> then you need clothes, and need to chose between cloth or disposable nappies
<phlasphy> there might be enough left over for a floppy disk drive if your lucky
<Yagisan> both cost the same
<Yagisan> but less washing with disposable (and cheaper is worse - they leak O_o )
<phlasphy> cloth FTW
<hantu> osdc, anyone?
<phlasphy> osdc?
<Yagisan> phlasphy, actually, disposables worked out to be better
<phlasphy> but can they be used for other things ?
<Yagisan> self-defense
<phlasphy> lol
<hantu> open source developers' conference
<phlasphy> how were they better?
<hantu> in melbourne, tomorrow.
<phlasphy> hantu, ok
<Yagisan> phlasphy, worked out cheaper when I did the maths, leak less often, and saved much more time
<phlasphy> ok
<Yagisan> phlasphy, that assumes the kids are toilet trained soon
<phlasphy> rofl
<Yagisan> if not, no difference in cost
<Yagisan> need to factor in excessive wear and tear on the washing machine with cloth
<Yagisan> kids never stop going to the toilet
<Yagisan> never
<Yagisan> ever
<Yagisan> :(
<Yagisan> I'd say car seat is a must buy, but I'd need the car first
<phlasphy> my brother wore nappies till he was 12
<Yagisan> months ?
<phlasphy> years
<phlasphy> :(
<phlasphy> poor kid
<hantu> anyone been to a conference?
<Yagisan> ouch
<hantu> like osdc/
<Yagisan> hantu, I was at UDU
<Yagisan> that was a long time ago
<hantu> udu?
<phlasphy> Yagisan, we got an alarm thing and it went off when ever he wet his bed it fixed it
<Yagisan> Ubuntu Down Under
<phlasphy> now he wees on the seat lol
<Yagisan> phlasphy, ah - medical issues
<hantu> ah
<hantu> i was wonderin this silly thing
<hantu> should i go with tshirt/jeans geeky look, or smart :P
<phlasphy> Yagisan, well he is low IQ
<hantu> its my first, ya'no.
<phlasphy> Yagisan, at 14 just learning to read i feel real sorry for him
<Yagisan> hantu, be yourself
<hantu> shirt/jeans then
<hantu> :D
<Yagisan> phlasphy, at least he is learning
<phlasphy> yeah
<phlasphy> i was going to get him ubuntu but i dont know
<phlasphy> he is soo familiar with windows
<Yagisan> hantu, when I was at UDU, no one was dressed smart - sabdfl was in shorts!
<Yagisan> phlasphy, anyone can learn Ubuntu, my wife does, and it was (until recently) it was even in a foreign language
<phlasphy> Yagisan, i know he like xubuntu
<phlasphy> but then he says he only wants windows :(
<hantu> ah alright :)
<Yagisan> set it up for him - people learn better when they like it
<hantu> thanks Yagisan
<hantu> g'night guys.
<Yagisan> np hantu
* Yagisan checks timezone converter
<Yagisan> ah, I have a nexuswar raid at 10am - I should try to get up for it
<phlasphy> Yagisan, where are you from?
<Yagisan> Sydney ;)
<phlasphy> ok
<Yagisan> but I'm a night owl
<phlasphy> i am nocternal lol
<Yagisan> anyone play nexuswar ?
<phlasphy> no hat is it?
<phlasphy> what
<Yagisan> http://www.nexuswar.com/
<Yagisan> browserbased MMORPG
<phlasphy> sweet
<Yagisan> can be quite addictive
<Yagisan> I'm running 3 chars right now
<phlasphy> Yagisan, what isp you with
<Yagisan> tpg
<phlasphy> are thety good
<Yagisan> ie cheap
<phlasphy> we used to be on there dial up night rider thing
<Yagisan> they are cheap, and if you don't need tech support good
<Yagisan> but tech support, well, it sucks
<phlasphy> ok
<Yagisan> did I mention cheap
<Yagisan> adsl2+ 2400/1024 30GB for around $60/month
<phlasphy> do they have unlimited 1500/256 not capped?
<Yagisan> er 24000/1024
<phlasphy> i am too far from an exchange i think
<Yagisan> I'm not sure
<phlasphy> about 20-50 KMS
<Yagisan> the adsl2+ is cheaper, as it doesn't use telstra dslams
<Yagisan> hmm
<Yagisan> might need to ask them if your line will work with it
<phlasphy> will i get lower than 1500/256
<Yagisan> I get 8000/1024
<phlasphy> on adsl2
<phlasphy> sweet
<Yagisan> because I never bought an adsl2+ modem
<Yagisan> (seriously, I don't download porn (much) and hardly any torrents)
<Yagisan> I get all my porn freely spammed to me O_o
<phlasphy> rofl
<Yagisan> it's almost like spamassasin doesn't work
<phlasphy> unless it is not spam
<Yagisan> oh, its all spam
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> i never get spam :)
<phlasphy> gmail FTW
<Yagisan> liar!
<phlasphy> Yagisan, i dont
<Yagisan> my gmail accounts are the worst for spam
<phlasphy> Yagisan, what kind of usernames are they
<phlasphy> ?
<Yagisan> then again, my email addresses are all over the net
<phlasphy> lol
<Yagisan> google Yagisan
<Yagisan> most of it is me
<Yagisan> but there are a few impersonators
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> hopefully i stick with xubuntu
<phlasphy> yagisan are you good at english?
<Yagisan> probably not - why ?
<phlasphy> can you tell me what you think of a short story for school
<phlasphy> please
<Yagisan> I can try, but, well - I have no idea what you are trying to do
<phlasphy> ok i just want to know what you think
<phlasphy> its in the pm
<Yagisan> phlasphy, I don't get pm's from people not registered with freenode
<phlasphy> you should still get them just cant write back
<Yagisan> no
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> /join ###shortstory
<phlasphy> quail, hey
<quail> hi
<phlasphy> did you waent to see the story?
<quail> nah not atm i just woke up
<quail> and think i should go back to bed
<phlasphy> lol ok
<phlasphy> hey onefang
* onefang sneezes.
<phlasphy> your up late or is it early
<onefang> Late for .au time, but I try to keep .us hours these days.
<phlasphy> why
<phlasphy> more support
<onefang> Working for a .us company.
<phlasphy> ohh ok
<phlasphy> i seem to have become nocturnal
<phlasphy> lol
<phlasphy> wat company?
<onefang> Terra Soft Solutions. Non ubuntu distro. B-)
<phlasphy> lol
<onefang> Shh. Don't tell them I use ubuntu.
<phlasphy> rofl
<phlasphy> why man
<phlasphy> you are on something arnt you?
<phlasphy> onefang, you use a awesome o/s but a terrible ISP
<onefang> Correct.
<phlasphy> lol what plan
<onefang> At least I don't have to pay for either. B-)
<phlasphy> rofl
<praetorian> you still have to use it
<onefang> The top EV-DO plan. Which is bugger all.
<phlasphy> what plan
<phlasphy> EV-DO plan?
<phlasphy> i amy be using yellow dog linux soon
<phlasphy> by march anyway
<praetorian> wireless
<phlasphy> ok
<onefang> EV-DO, wireless broadband.
<phlasphy> does ubuntu work on PS3
<onefang> Any PPC based distro should work.
<phlasphy> PPC is it like a mac?
<onefang> Yes.
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> do you not like yellow dog linux?
<onefang> I don't have any PPC hardware.
<phlasphy> is it PPC only
<onefang> Yes.
<phlasphy> :(
<phlasphy> does the linux kernel change in ewach distro
<phlasphy> each
<onefang> Usually the kernel is tweaked by each distro maker.
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> also i found a spelling mistake on the site can you fix it?
<phlasphy> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/sensation.shtml
<corstar> does the 3d accel work with ydl on the ps3?
<phlasphy> leading (but not bleeding) edge kernels
<corstar> for native linux games?
<phlasphy> corstar, that would be awesoem
<corstar> yeah..
<corstar> imagine tux racer on the ps3! LOL
<phlasphy> too bad we have to wait till march :(
<corstar> so, are you guys all using edgy?
<phlasphy> umm windows ATM
<corstar> yuk..
<phlasphy> i know
<phlasphy> it is a sad fact of life like cancer
<onefang> Sorry, got a bit busy. I'll pass the correction on to the web dudes.
<corstar> true dat
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> corstar, unfortuntly linux cant replace all my need for windows
<corstar> onefang, what's the main purpose for ydl on ps3? I know i'd hack the crap out of it, but what for the masses?
<phlasphy> corstar, just get ubuntu on it ubuntu has PPC iirc
<corstar> phlasphy, fair call.
<onefang> I'm not in marketing. B-)
<corstar> ok
<corstar> it sound like a cool project to be working on though...
<phlasphy> yeah
<phlasphy> i agree
<onefang> Probably something like "windows user buys game console, realises it's a real computer and wu suck them into linux". B-)
<onefang> s/wu/we/
<phlasphy> good idea
<phlasphy> but it is not a PC by default
<phlasphy> is it
<phlasphy> ?
<onefang> It's a game console by default.
<phlasphy> exactly
<phlasphy> but you could put linux on the PS@ if you bought a pack
<phlasphy> PS2
<phlasphy> xbox doesnt have windows on it does it
<phlasphy> GrantG_, hey
<phlasphy> siccness, hey
<siccness> hey
<siccness> I just had one hectic 1hr :|
* onefang sneezes twice.
<onefang> Damn heyfever.
<phlasphy> rofl
<phlasphy> siccness, why was it hectic
<siccness> had to install windows
<siccness> but when i went to install it, i didnt know what hdd to partition
<siccness> because both HDDs are the same size
<siccness> so i had to reboot, disable the sata controller
<siccness> then install it
<siccness> got it installed
<siccness> then realised i had to find the bigpond cd to install the client
<siccness> it wouldn't find the modem
<siccness> (then i realised windows required people to install chipset drivers - ethernet)
<phlasphy> siccness, you not use ethernet on the modem?
<phlasphy> really
<siccness> then i had to install vmware
<siccness> basically, a long excercise for no reason
<siccness> and my fan blew the door of my room closed smacking a finger which is basically bent :|
<phlasphy> :(
<siccness> so what u been up to?
<phlasphy> umm nothing
<phlasphy> actually i should turn fan on
<phlasphy> bnow it is cold
<phlasphy> :(
<siccness> 17celcius here
<phlasphy> umm no idea here
<siccness> you use gnome?
<phlasphy> no'
<phlasphy> i am on windows ATM
<siccness> ah
<phlasphy> can you check for coolangatta?
<siccness> sure
<siccness> 17C overcast
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> where are you?
<siccness> melbourne
<phlasphy> ok
<siccness> you got 88% humidity, f'that.
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> lol
<phlasphy> check alice springs i used to live thjere
<siccness> 23C
<siccness> lets see what the yanks are puttin up with
<phlasphy> lol
<phlasphy> check devonport next?
<siccness> wheres that?
<phlasphy> tasmania
<siccness> unknown
<siccness> its as if tasmania doesnt exist
<phlasphy> :(
<phlasphy> try hobart
<siccness> 20c
<phlasphy> ok
<phlasphy> what about launcestin
<onefang> I can't see Tasmania on my map. B-)
<siccness> launceston 12c
<phlasphy> rofl
<phlasphy> 12 hah ha ha ha h ha hah ah ah ah ha ha hah ah ah ah ah they will have there firees on HAH
<phlasphy> i used to live there aswell
<siccness> funny how theres 8 degrees diff between top/bottom of tasmania
<siccness> when you can just about walk the distance in 24hrs
<phlasphy> pfft walk 300 ks in 24hours
<siccness> piss easy
<onefang> 150 maybe, 200 is pushing it.
<siccness> anyways, its nearly 5am and i need my beauty sleep. Have a good one mate.
<phlasphy> cya man
<phlasphy> onefang, so
<phlasphy> what to do
<phlasphy> you awake onefang
<onefang> No.
<phlasphy> ok night man
* phlasphy reads his linux magazine
<fildo> *goneski
<phlasphy> hey man

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