<wildfire_> gogo gatget wifi

<wildfire_> gadget

*** Commander-Crowe is now known as Commander|away

<cellofellow> :) I love wifi.

<Commander|away> yeah but wireless doesn't work well in fedora

<Commander|away> works great in xubuntu

<Commander|away> how do turn off fsck at boot?

<wildfire_> is there a madwifi for apt ?

<wildfire_> one thing i dont understand, is how the install disc can use my wifi.. but i gotta get drivers for it for the actuall installed version

<wildfire_> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi

*** twiggz_ is now known as twiggz

*** kalikiana7 is now known as kalikiana

<wildfire_> i love u xubuntu

* kalikiana loves xubuntu, too

<twiggz> its ok, zenwalk is much faster...

<Commander|away> yeah it is

<Commander|away> but not a felxable

<wildfire_> kde gives me the hibbie jibbies

<wildfire_> i havent found anything to be even close to slow yet on mine

<wildfire_> beats the hell out of suse. hands down.

<Commander|away> yes

<Commander|away> I'm in FC and I'm upset as H*LL

<wildfire_> its right there with gentoo in my book.. except.. i dont miss building from stage 1 and compiling for days.

<Commander|away> where did all my power go?

<Commander|away> days?

<wildfire_> compile everything

<Commander|away> wow

<wildfire_> and that means u have to compile gcc like twice

<Commander|away> I did it on my friends Opteron

<Commander|away> 4 hours

<Commander|away> POWER

<wildfire_> Area - 55 san diago

<Commander|away> don't try Gentoo with a CPU under 3.0 GHz

<Commander|away> yeah his out does yours

<wildfire_> its awsome distro though

<Commander|away> yes it is

<wildfire_> gives u choice to build from ground up or not

<Commander|away> if I had High Speed internet that is what I would use

<wildfire_> just installing.. base kernal.. installing GCC.. compiling GCC NEW with GCC old. with all CPU specific make flags.. compiling new kernal.. ect... KDE will only making compiles like another 3 hours.

<wildfire_> i dont wanna compile so much anymore..

<Commander|away> wow

<Commander|away> haha

<Commander|away> my other friend who has a Quad core Intel

<Commander|away> brand new proc

<kalikiana> there is a distro which offers binary gentoo packages

<wildfire_> i need quad core

<Commander|away> he compiled Gentoo in 1 1/2 hours

<wildfire_> i bet

<Jester45> would anyone like to tell me how to copy a harddrive

<wildfire_> physical lighting in CG is reduced from my 13mins.. to near 2 1/2 mins.

<wildfire_> from area 55 to quad core

<Commander|away> yeah

<Commander|away> quad will take over sooner or later

<wildfire_> i need dual quad

<wildfire_> really

<Jester45> quad quad

<twiggz> gentoo really isnt worth the extra work.....*shrug*

<wildfire_> quad quad and quad agia physix, quad gpu =D

<Jester45> i think i will try mine again

<Commander|away> quad quad would be like 80 mins tops

<wildfire_> gentoo was my fav for along time

<wildfire_> emerge was a decent system

<wildfire_> but i really like apt now

<Jester45> would anyone like to tell me how to copy a harddrive

<wildfire_> but emerge is compiling too thats what good about that

<Commander|away> wildfire_, whats you CPU's specs?

<wildfire_> is there a way to check.. its an area fx-55 san dieago.

<wildfire_> i should know this lol

<wildfire_> used too

<Jester45> cpuinfo

<wildfire_> not emerged.. but i can say i paied damn near $1100 5 years ago for it =/

<wildfire_> err just the cpu

<Jester45> wow

<wildfire_> still keeping pace with the world 5 years later

<wildfire_> so not so bad of an investment

<Jester45> but 1100

<Commander|away> windows

<wildfire_> i was mad when x2 came out

<wildfire_> lol

<Commander|away> I use CPUZ

<wildfire_> brb time to test wireless drivers

<Jester45> would anyone like to tell me how to copy a harddrive PLEASE

<Jester45> i have a Athlon 64 FX-62 (64-bit, 2.8GHz, Dedicated 2MB L2 cache, 2000MHz HyperTransport bus, AM2 only)

<Jester45> PIB Price Athlon 64 FX-62 (64-bit, 2.8GHz, Dedicated 2MB L2 cache, 2000MHz HyperTransport bus, AM2 only)

<maxamillion> Jester45: new proc?

<Jester45> ooopd

<Jester45> would anyone like to tell me how to copy a harddrive PLEASE

<Jester45> patsed the wrong thing

<maxamillion> copy a hard drive? ... like the entire contents?

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> onto a 2nd drive

<Jester45> an

<maxamillion> cp -Rfv --copy-contents --preserve all /foo/bar /foo2/bar2

<maxamillion> that _should_ work and give verbose output

<Jester45> would you hapen to know if you an have 2 video cards for them to both process one screen

<Jester45> share the load

<Jester45> thats going to copy not move right]

<maxamillion> Jester45: only under sli or fire-whatever-ati-calls-it

<maxamillion> Jester45: correct

<Jester45> whats sli

<maxamillion> www.nvidia.com/sli

<maxamillion> http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_learn.html <--- better link

<Jester45> chould this work? "cp -Rfv --copy-contents --preserve all / /home/ryan/Desktop/Storage"

<maxamillion> Jester45: should

<Jester45> the / is hda1 and /home/ryan/Desktop/Storage is my 2nd drive

<maxamillion> Jester45: yeah, that should suffice ... you just want to do a backup?

<Jester45> or should i unmount it or something

<maxamillion> no, don't unmount ... you can't write to unmounted media

<Jester45> maxamillion: no im transfering xubuntu to a faster quiter drive

<Jester45> maxamillion: ok

<maxamillion> Jester45: oh, then don't do it this way

<Jester45> but wait

<Jester45> k

<Jester45> how then

<maxamillion> Jester45: do you have a cd-burner and a blank cd?

<Jester45> i wanna keep ALL my settings

<maxamillion> :/

<maxamillion> Jester45: just a moment ... i dunno if that would work

<Jester45> gota make it hard

<Jester45> let me check how much of xubuntu i have

<Jester45> let me check how much xubuntu i have

<Jester45> put it on dvd

<Jester45> would i have to tar it?

<maxamillion> no, you might have to do dd ... but i don't know much about dd

<maxamillion> dd will copy bit-by-bit

<Jester45> thats more sucure

<Jester45> ok

<Jester45> im useing

<Jester45> um

<Jester45> 8.59 - 4.49 =

<Jester45> what ever that be

<maxamillion> yeah, i don't know squat about dd

<maxamillion> never had to use it

<Jester45> TheSheep: get in here

<PuMpErNiCkLe> dd copies it *exactly*, but it will depend on the layout of your hrd drive.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> cp -a will copy everything as-is, keeping perms and stuff, but it won't have that limitation.

<Jester45> ok

<PuMpErNiCkLe> s/hrd/hard/

<Jester45> so whats better

<Jester45> did you read the conversation

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Nope.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> What are you doing?

<Jester45> copying my xubuntu on to a faster bigger drive

<Jester45> then im going to format the older one

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Use cp -a, then. Don't mix hard drives when you're using dd.

<Jester45> and play around with stuff

<Jester45> mix?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Don't.

<Jester45> dont what

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Mix.

<Jester45> what that

<Jester45> explain please

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Don't use dd to copy between non-identical hard drives.

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> ok

<Jester45> so use cp

<Jester45> now

<Jester45> im going to be copying / to /home/ryan/Desktop/Storage

<wildfire_> any of you have wifi on xubuntu ?

<crimsun> what do you mean "have"?

<wildfire_> use

<crimsun> yes, I do.

<crimsun> why?

<wildfire_> i need help making mine work =D

<wildfire_> iface ath0 inet dhcp

<wildfire_> wireless-essid motorola 000CE54E75D2

<wildfire_> address 192.168.10.6

<wildfire_> netmask 255.255.255.0

<wildfire_> gateway 192.168.10.1

<wildfire_> iface eth0 inet dhcp

<wildfire_> iface eth1 inet dhcp

<wildfire_> auto ath0

<wildfire_> is my /etc/network

<crimsun> atheros? disgusting. I'm not touching with a ten-foot pole.

<wildfire_> lol

<wildfire_> it worked when installing..

<wildfire_> it setup the apt-get during isntall wirelessly

<crimsun> is that really the essid?

<wildfire_> i have no idea

<wildfire_> cant i put liek any

<wildfire_> "any" there ?

<wildfire_> if i dont use dhcp it acts like its working.. but its not.

<wildfire_> like cant ping anything but doesnt say anything about not being on a network

<wildfire_> iwconfig shows it. That means linux does see it right ?

<wildfire_> wifi0 no wireless extensions.

<wildfire_> ath0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:""

<wildfire_> Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated

<wildfire_> Bit Rate:0 kb/s Tx-Power:18 dBm Sensitivity=0/3

<wildfire_> Retry:off RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off

<wildfire_> Power Management:off

<wildfire_> Link Quality=0/94 Signal level=-96 dBm Noise level=-96 dBm

<wildfire_> Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0

<wildfire_> Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0

<wildfire_> shouldnt there be something around wifi0 lol

<crimsun> your essid is blank according to iwconfig's output

<crimsun> what's the AP's real essid?

<wildfire_> well if i loginto the router thats whats in the SSID box

<crimsun> and what happens if you use iwconfig to set it forcibly?

<wildfire_> how do you do that..

* crimsun throws up his hands

<crimsun> sudo iwconfig iface essid the_essid

<wildfire_> lol

<maxamillion> brb, food

<wildfire_> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :

<wildfire_> SET failed on device iface ; No such device.

<wildfire_> ;(

<wildfire_> i admit im not a genious about wifi

<crimsun> substitute the correct interface abbrevation for 'iface'

<wildfire_> ah

<wildfire_> IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"motorola 000CE54E75D2"

<wildfire_> Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated

<wildfire_> give it a wirl ?

<crimsun> again, I'm not touching atheros with a ten-foot pole

<crimsun> I'm sure the wiki has instructions for what you need to do for both ath0 and wifi0

<wildfire_> yeah.

<wildfire_> somewhere i read madwifi was already in the last distro of xubuntu

<wildfire_> and somewhere i read about recompiling the kernal.

<wildfire_> and i dont wanna recompile kernal

<JKnife> kernel recompile is easy...

<crimsun> seriously, check the wiki

<wildfire_> yeah, i have recompiled them in gentoo alot

<wildfire_> wildfire@Frostnova:/etc/network$ iwlist ath0 ap

<wildfire_> ath0 Peers/Access-Points in range:

<wildfire_> 00:0C:E5:4E:75:D2 : Quality=14/94 Signal level=-81 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm

<wildfire_> it sees my router

<wildfire_> it has a signal level

<JKnife> hhahaha

<JKnife> i see the problem

<wildfire_> mabey i need to set the AP in iwconfig

<JKnife> crimsun: look close and you can see it also

<JKnife> "SET failed on device iface ; No such device." "wildfire@Frostnova:/etc/network$ iwlist ath0 ap"

<JKnife> he didn't substitute

<wildfire_> ?

<JKnife> it should be 'sudo iwconfig ath0 essid <ESSID HERE>"

<crimsun> yes, scroll back 12 minutes

<crimsun> I said as much

<JKnife> but he didn't

<wildfire_> IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"motorola 000CE54E75D2"

<wildfire_> Mode:Managed Channel:0 Access Point: Not-Associated

<JKnife> ohh..

<czer323> then once you've authenticated with the access point, you should try to get an ip address

<czer323> either use ifconfig to assign one, or use dhclient

<wildfire_> shouldnt i set Set AP Address

<wildfire_> yeah.. dhcp doesnt wanna give me an ip

<czer323> using wep/wpa?

<wildfire_> whats wep wpa

<wildfire_> sorry like i said wireless on linux.. is a whole new world to me

<czer323> wep/wpa is to protect the base station. it's something you would've setup ON the base station.

<JKnife> wireless on linux = painful

<wildfire_> oh noo

<wildfire_> neither

<czer323> Protects from other people joining it.

<wildfire_> its unsecure

<wildfire_> no neighrboors for a mile around.

<czer323> Do you know the ip address you should be getting? 192.168.1.*something?

<czer323> or not.

<czer323> 2 random problems. 1) Using a synaptics touchpad, works fine on other live cd distros, but after 5-10 minutes of use on Xubuntu, it starts jumping around. Regular USB mouse works fine, just the synaptics touchpad is wonky. Tried chaning the xorg a little and using gsynaptics to configure it, but it hasn't seemed to help

<czer323> 2) using the neomagic video driver, when going to certain websites, or scrolling through a page quickly, it causes some weird noise to show up. I can pretty much recreate the issue at will. Changing to vesa driver, no issue.

<czer323> noise being, imagine photoshop and using the noise option. white background with random colored speckles.

<cellofellow> I've got a problem. I copied a 5GB partition to a 10GB partition using dd. Now the 10GB partition is showing up as 5GB.

<cellofellow> same with my 7GB partition copied to my 29GB partition.

<cellofellow> it just didn't work the way I had expected.

<czer323> there's a program called gparted that you might be able to use to expand it out.

<cellofellow> ok. Are the US repo's up and running again yet?

<JKnife> yes.. it will assume the size of the old partition.. like i said it is like burning an iso to a cd... nothing gparted can not fix...

<cellofellow> ok

* JKnife just found out that urxvt has tab support

<cellofellow> JKnife: really? I've just been using screen.

<JKnife> but is is buggy =\

<cellofellow> oh :(

<JKnife> stick with screen

<cellofellow> ok

<JKnife> urxvtcd -pe tabbed -g 80x25 <-- would be the command..

<cellofellow> I like screen's detacheablity. (so slaughter that spelling)

<czer323> us mirrors still seem down. *just tried to update*

<cellofellow> ok, same here

<cellofellow> I'll just switch to canda

<cellofellow> canada

<czer323> change US to CA ?

<cellofellow> yeah

<cellofellow> looks like that plf repo I was using kicked the bucket. What's the address for Seveas' repo?

<cellofellow> !seveas

<ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages

* JKnife think you just pinged him

<wildfire_> lol

<wildfire_> noo i wish

<wildfire_> i hate wireless

<czer323> usually wireless just works.

<crimsun> welcome to the world of atheros.

<czer323> i plug in my card, it finds the card, modprobes it for me, and if i already setup a network, ti'll join it.

<czer323> even get a dhcp lease.

<czer323> are there any decent fluxbox meta packages?

<JKnife> fluxbox

<JKnife> or #fluxbuntu

<wildfire_> i have another wireless card.

<wildfire_> but i dunno if its going to work

<wildfire_> its a scary belkin

<czer323> broadcom base?

<cellofellow> fluxbuntu isn't a branch, its a fork, just so you know czer323

<wildfire_> wireless g+ belkin

<wildfire_> im on86 x64

<wildfire_> reason i had atheros one

<wildfire_> wasx64 drivers in windows

<JKnife> i have tried the belkin and they work

<JKnife> what driver is it?

<wildfire_> on x64 ?

<JKnife> drivers are the same..

<JKnife> and they are included in edgy

<wildfire_> oh pimp

<wildfire_> so what do i do.. swap them around and.... reboot and hope it works

<cellofellow> My dad's laptop has an Intel Centrino (don't know the chipset) and it worked from the LiveCD on Kubuntu, with its Wireless Assistent. Couldn

<cellofellow> t find the stuff for Ubuntu though.

<JKnife> shouldn't have to reboot

<crimsun> centrino is a platform that includes ipw2x00

<wildfire_> ill give it a shot

<maxamillion> crimsun: well, depends on when the centrino was purchased ... it has changed over time

<cellofellow> All I know it was an internal wifi card and it worked with the livecd.

<crimsun> maxamillion: hence the 'x'

<cellofellow> The Kubuntu Dapper livecd

<maxamillion> crimsun: oh, sorry ... /me should have read more closely

<cellofellow> It's like 6 months old at the very most, the laptop. Dell XPS.

<cellofellow> ok, i'm confused. when I mount hdd1 it says it's 4.9GB, and it's 3.5GB used. In gparted it says it's 8.1 of 9.5.

<wildfire_> i have this card

<wildfire_> http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=179458

<wildfire_> that should work ?

<wildfire_> Wireless G Plus Desktop Card F5D7001

<crimsun> cellofellow: are you positive you're not looking at /dev/hdd for gparted?

<cellofellow> I'm trying a different tack. I'm gonna leave / on the drive it's on now, and use the big one as /home

<cellofellow> crimsun: positive

<cellofellow> hdd is the hard drive I want.

<cellofellow> hda is my / drive, hdb is a little 10GB drive, and hdc is my optical.

<crimsun> right, but if you look at /dev/hdd1 vs. /dev/hdd, it's logical for the latter to appear larger.

<crimsun> particularly if /dev/hdd1 is only one partition among a set of multiple

<cellofellow> gparted is smart enough to keep me from making some mistake like that. I'm just going to use cp instead of dd this time.

<cellofellow> right now hdd1 doesn'

<cellofellow> t exist

<cellofellow> just hdd, I wiped partitions.

<cellofellow> I just realized I'd have a time getting grub onto the bigger hard disk.

<JKnife> nah

<wildfire_> I also have a netgear wireless card from the stone-age.. but its still compliant with wifi ;P

<cellofellow> not the /boot dir, the MBR

<cellofellow> 802.11b instead of g?

<wildfire_> yes

<cellofellow> I got one like that.

<wildfire_> PCI Model MA311 Netgear 802.11b

<cellofellow> got it for five bucks a few months ago.

* JKnife hands cellofellow grub-install

<cellofellow> JKnife: oh, ok. I might try that later.

<wildfire_> stupid wireless.. everything installed so smoothly ><

<wildfire_> ill try the belkin

<wildfire_> then the 802.11b that i know ive gotten to work in gentoo

<wildfire_> i had less trouble installing Bluetooth Keyboard and mouse center 3 years ago.. when it was bleeding edge

<wildfire_> well not really..

<wildfire_> but i got it

*** s|k is now known as me

<wildfire_> after 3 or 4 kernal compiles.. and some bluestack stuff

*** me is now known as s|k

<JKnife> =) everyone needs to watch the askaninja.com about minjas

<kalikiana> JKnife: they'Re cool indeed

<JKnife> very

<unikon> anyone ever have any errors trying to upgrade packages

<JKnife> all the time... depends on are you upgrading the distro from one version to the next or just a regular package upgrade

* JKnife wants a minja

<cellofellow> don't you already have a #greeninja

<JKnife> i do XD

<JKnife> but i want a real life minja

<unikon> jknife regular package install

<JKnife> unikon: how many lines is the error

<unikon> hell i cant even apt-get flash player non-free

<JKnife> us server?

<unikon> yes

<JKnife> if so it is down...

<cellofellow> use ca

<cellofellow> for now

<unikon> do u think my pc specs may be holing me back

<JKnife> no..

<JKnife> the US server is sown

<JKnife> down*

<unikon> 650mhz celeron w/192 ram

<JKnife> Hostname: B14cKh013 - OS: Linux 2.6.19-7-generic/i586 - CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (334.089 MHz) - Processes: 79 - Uptime: 1d 3h 3m - Load Average: 0.09 - Memory Usage: 124.19MB/249.79MB (49.72%) - Disk Usage: 1.98GB/147.49GB (1.35%)

<unikon> roadrunner

<JKnife> running beryl

<JKnife> on DSL

<unikon> jknife how do you get all the info up like that

<unikon> whats the cmd

<JKnife> a script

<unikon> ahh

<cellofellow> why doesn't this work? /home$ sudo cp * /media/big-disk ?

<unikon> how do i switch servers for apt-get

<JKnife> unikon: edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root

<JKnife> cellofellow: cause it is cp -r

<cellofellow> ok

<JKnife> well cp -ar

<unikon> thanks jknife

<cellofellow> -ar? what's a?

<JKnife> all

<cellofellow> ok

<cellofellow> thanks

<JKnife> (includes hidden files)

<JKnife> BUT

<cellofellow> does it get rid of permissions?

<JKnife> be warned everything will be owned by root

<cellofellow> :(

<JKnife> yes.. there is a switch to keep em

<JKnife> man cp

<cellofellow> should I use tar to make it not do that?

<JKnife> XD

<cellofellow> ok

<cellofellow> I can't find the permissions switch :(

<PuMpErNiCkLe> cp -p

<cellofellow> ok

<PuMpErNiCkLe> cp -a include the -p switch

<cellofellow> I did -arp

<PuMpErNiCkLe> -a is the archival switch, so it includes -dpR.

<cellofellow> so, -arp is redundant?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Yup.

<cellofellow> :)

<godless> <--- works in the Department of Redundancy Department.

<godless> I'm having panel troubles again

<cellofellow> panel troubles? what's up?

<godless> My applications menu and several monitors I added to the top panel (battery monitor, network monitor) have dissapeared

<godless> strangely firefox is still there (as is the terminal launcher I added too)

<godless> anyway the xml files still exist in .config

<cellofellow> sometimes I have panel applets disapear. I think it's a problem with the sessionsaver.

<cellofellow> Just add them again.

<godless> so rather than just rebuilding the panel as I have done before I'm wondering if I can rescue them somehow

<cellofellow> maybe

<godless> yeah but when I add them again I end up with all sorts of crap in .config

<cellofellow> :(

<godless> and I have to fiddle around to see what's working and what is old and inexplicably dead

<godless> not that it really matters I just like to keep the directories clean if possible

<cellofellow> then remove everything from the panels, log off, and then start off fresh.

<godless> it does seem to be the session manager... the 'save session' tick box seems to have weird effects sometimes

<cellofellow> .config is a background thing I don't bother with. programs do.

<godless> cellofellow: yeah I think I'll just delete it all and rebuild

<godless> kinda frustrating though

<cellofellow> yeah

<godless> I love xubuntu/xfce but I have lost my panels so many times now

<godless> it's kind of an unnacceptable bug :/

<cellofellow> I've lost individual applets like the trash now and again, but never a whole nuking.

<godless> I lost both panels altogether once

<cellofellow> well, that was cause the program wasn't running right?

<godless> that was the first time I ran into the bug and I was a bit confused

<godless> heh

<godless> nope.. I could log out and in, reboot etc, the panels were just gone

<godless> everything still in .config but.. no effect

<godless> I deleted .config

<godless> and everything came back default

<cellofellow> I think it's .cache that's irking you.

<godless> yeah I've mucked around with that a bit too

<cellofellow> !uuid

<ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)

<cellofellow> ah forget that.

<cellofellow> how do I force something to unmount?

<cellofellow> ah, never mind. rebooting...

<godless> hm

<godless> so I'm trying to troubleshoot this session thing... and I'm trying to turn on the 'display chooser at login' toggle for the session.. chooser.. thing.. but it's not turning up when I login...

<godless> Can I just turn off the session management altogether?

<godless> Have a fresh desktop everytime I login and to hell with it?

<godless> In theory I'd like to have sessions but they've caused me nothing but trouble and not even really worked at the best of times

<JKnife> just nuke ~/.config/ on every logout

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Or disable automatic session saving.

<JKnife> i think he means panel configuration and everything

<cellofellow> :) my partition switching maneuver worked.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That's not a session feature, though.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> o.o

<godless> JKnife: No I don't want to nuke my panel configs

<godless> I just want the session manager to stop nuking icons and launchers and whatnot

<godless> if that's even what's doing it

* JKnife shrugs

* godless grumbles

<wildfire_> I AM ATHEROS GAWD MACHINE.

<wildfire_> it works ;P

<wildfire_> and amazingly with dhcp. gasp.

<wildfire_> now if any of you root me and mess up my atheros wilress network.. I will have blood.

<wildfire_> ;P

<cellofellow> wildfire_: ok. I really wanted to before but now you've scared me out of my wits. :p

<wildfire_> lol

<wildfire_> the awnser to installing atheos on xubuntu latest release.. is to disable and delete etc/network reboot.. enable atheros only.. and run DHCP from terminal.

<cellofellow> gonna boot into a livecd. cya later.

<wildfire_> cya

<JKnife> how do i find out my OpenPGP key id?

<wildfire_> 440 Upgrades in apt-get ? whoah wierd

<y0li> ello is there any way u can completely choose what packages xubuntu installs? theres alot of stuff i dont need heh

<wildfire_> yeah

<wildfire_> add and remove programs

<wildfire_> its like a gui to Apt-get

<wildfire_> u will need to add more sources for more packages

<wildfire_> they are availble on the internet

<y0li> so with add and remove programs i can choose what programs are being installed before i install it?

<wildfire_> have u install xubuntu already ?

<y0li> nop

<wildfire_> xubuntu comes with just a handfull of gnome apps.. u can remove the onces u dont want in add and remove

<wildfire_> and add new programs

<y0li> mkay

<wildfire_> that are automaticly downloaded from the web for you and installed

<wildfire_> no hassel

<wildfire_> example

<wildfire_> without the add remove ui

<wildfire_> apt-get update

<wildfire_> will check the web for new packages for linux

<wildfire_> and you can just type apt-get gaim

<wildfire_> and bam

<wildfire_> u have gaim

<y0li> aight cool :>

<y0li> thanks=)

<wildfire_> add and remove

<wildfire_> is just a nice interface to make it all easy

<y0li> and what xfce version does Xubuntu come with?

<wildfire_> so if u install something u can remove it just like u remove something in windows

<wildfire_> !xfce

<ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"

<wildfire_> not sure

<wildfire_> im using it

<wildfire_> lol

<wildfire_> i must say

<wildfire_> this is my favorite distro yet..

<wildfire_> clean

<wildfire_> non bloated

<wildfire_> easy to manage

<PuMpErNiCkLe> It uses xfce 4.3.90.1 for Edgy.

<y0li> aight

<PuMpErNiCkLe> *4.3.90.2

<wildfire_> tempted to play with AIXGL , Compriz

<wildfire_> I cannot believe my darn atheros wireless card.. is working..

<wildfire_> hope ut2007 demo hits aptget

<czer323> Any good places to discuss issues with a particular xorg driver? I'm having issues with the neomagic driver when enabling acceleration. It'll start causing certain areas to have a lot of noise. Scrolling fast through a page and such'll cause speckles to show up on certain parts.

<wildfire_> u aptget ati or nvidia drivers yet ?

<y0li> what apps do u guys use to play music/video ? :>

<wildfire_> had a simular problem but new nvdia drivers fixxed it

<wildfire_> im using rythmbox.. because its itunish manager

<czer323> I'm a huge fan of Listen.

<wildfire_> yay.. finally complted my xubuntu install

<wildfire_> only havent slept in near levels of insanity

<wildfire_> should take that long usally.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> czer323: Have you read something like this page? http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man4/neomagic.4.html

<PuMpErNiCkLe> wildfire_: Neomagic isn't ati or nvidia based.

<wildfire_> many quirks... like not enuff voltage to ram causing ubuntu installer to wigg out and stuff.

<wildfire_> oh sorry didnt read careful enuff

<czer323> PuMpErNiCkLe, yeah, actually, I did. ;) I used it to disable acceleration, which is how i fixed the problem. But... I'd rather have acceleration on ;)

<wildfire_> i warn you thoug yoli if u have atheros wireless network card prepare for a fight.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> czer323: It looks like a driver limitation, then.

<y0li> wildfire_: hehe nah got wired net :>

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Driver or chip limitation, depending on which chip you have.

<czer323> PuMpErNiCkLe, it works really well accelerated, until i see certain images or scroll fast. Like, the hotmail website, has a bar across it every time in the same spot.

<wildfire_> dont imagine your installing AIXGL then ;P

<PuMpErNiCkLe> hmmm

<czer323> wildfire_, your case with atheros is sorta limited. Not everyone has to fight to make it work. I like to think that each machine has it's own personality when you're installing linux.

<czer323> wildfire_, personally, this laptop i've been working on, i just stuck the atheros card in, it was recognized, i joined my network, done. Individual results may vary ;)

<wildfire_> yeah.. i read about a hundread threads with people haveing issues and crazy workarounds

<wildfire_> i was supprised it actually worked after so much trouble.

<czer323> wildfire_, depsite there are hundreds of threads with people complaining that it's not working, how many do you expect to find with people saying it just worked?

<wildfire_> yeah, i liked atheos alot on win based systems they where nearly the first to suppoer X64 wireless

<cellofellow> ok, I got a really strange problem. I resized my / partition hda1 so it would take up most of my 13GB drive, and it now still shows up as 5GB.

<cellofellow> I resized using gparted in Puppy 2

<cellofellow> what can I do?

<cellofellow> hello?

<cellofellow> the disk still works, it's just not as big as it should be.

* cellofellow begins to panic.

<wildfire_> why is there 440 new upgrades in my aptget.. wshould i do it ? >< thats so many somethings wrong. lol must had forgot to disable the unstable distros from that madwifi

<cellofellow> i'm dd-ing the image, and am going to try wiping the disk, reparting, and then cp-ing

<cellofellow> JKnife: ping

<y0li> any expert install for xubuntu on the desktop cd?

<cellofellow> y0li: not really. some partitioning options, that's it.

<wildfire_> get the xubuntu alternative iso

<wildfire_> so even if you have xserver issues it wont keep you from installing from the disk unlike the other.

<cellofellow> wildfire_: you connected yourself to the Sid repos and installed madwifi from there?

<cellofellow> like ATI. :)

<wildfire_> ;P

<wildfire_> uninstalled it though

<wildfire_> wasnt needed

<cellofellow> ok. I thought that was a little wild.

<wildfire_> i didnt want to use it anyways

<cellofellow> isn't madwifi 32bit anyway?

<Ubugtu> Madwifi bug 32 in madwifi: driver "dosnt compile" [Defect,Closed (duplicate)] http://madwifi.org/ticket/32

<wildfire_> like 5 guides on the internet tell u to install it for atheros.. but i belive that was before the last distro

<wildfire_> deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports non-free

<wildfire_> # deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted

<wildfire_> compiled on my x64

<cellofellow> you turned yourself into sarge?

<wildfire_> still have the compile.. not the madule

<wildfire_> sure just use the ma compile thingy

<wildfire_> or make make install

<wildfire_> i remove the module because it wasnt needed.. it was already in the kernel

<wildfire_> or something.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Most already are.

<wildfire_> lol. but no i didnt turn myself into sarge

<wildfire_> i just "borrowed" some of the sarge distro source code

<wildfire_> for the madwifi compile

<wildfire_> still having a hard time getting over how easy xubuntu is to manage

<wildfire_> Even my Westren Digital iBook works flawlessly

<y0li> heh sounds good =)

<wildfire_> no crash's yet

<wildfire_> Suse Autoupdate thing.. Yast2 and Yast.... BLEGHH.. makes u sick

<cellofellow> didn't they fix that with 10.1r2?

<wildfire_> nope

<wildfire_> i was on it 2 days ago

<cellofellow> oh. :(

<wildfire_> it worked.... never. for me.

<wildfire_> it actually started looking for updates at one point...

<wildfire_> then the dots stopped moving.. and it disapeared

<cellofellow> yippee for Ubuntu!

<wildfire_> ohh

<cellofellow> I wish dd would give me a progress bar or something. It's taking forever.

<wildfire_> and adding sources in yast2 wasnt near as effecive as apt

<wildfire_> id reallly, like to see KDE and Gnome seperation filters in apt-get

<wildfire_> for xubuntu

<cellofellow> seperate repo's maybe?

<cellofellow> never mind. it's a synaptic thing

<cellofellow> don't talk to me, tell the developers. And since this is a synaptic thing, take it to the ubuntu or debian devs.

<wildfire_> it really felt like i was behinde a million firewalls trying to download a bittorrent.

<cellofellow> maybe your ISP doesn't like torrent.

<wildfire_> ohh not yast2

<wildfire_> err i mean yast2

<wildfire_> ;P

<cellofellow> dd finally finished :)

<wildfire_> yay

<maxamillion> yast2 is supposed to be fixed in 10.2 ... but they have been saying that since like 8.0 so i don't expect much

<cellofellow> now I have to reboot _again_ and repartition _again_, crossing my fingers the whole time.

<maxamillion> i really think in SLED10 they have yast2 just front end to SMART ... but i could be wrong

<wildfire_> it seemed to totally trash what suse had going

<cellofellow> SLED still uses RPM, not smart

<ellioTb> what up

<wildfire_> i shoulnt be up.. i woke up at 4am 2 days ago.

<cellofellow> hi ellioTb

<cellofellow> wildfire_: yeah you need some sleep

<maxamillion> cellofellow: SMART can manage .rpm, .deb, .tgz, and some other package type as well

<cellofellow> maxamillion: well, ok.

<cellofellow> don't know then

<maxamillion> cellofellow: http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/computer%20products_lcd%20monitors_19%20inch_L194WT-SF.jhtml

<maxamillion> ooops

<maxamillion> :P

<maxamillion> cellofellow: http://labix.org/smart

<Commander-Crowe> hey all

<maxamillion> hiya Commander-Crowe

*** Commander-Crowe is now known as Commander|away

<Commander|away> I'm still here

<maxamillion> cellofellow: since i sent the link, check out the monitor i am getting for x-mas :O

<Commander|away> I'm jsut banned from #fedora

<maxamillion> :P*

<maxamillion> Commander|away: why?

<ellioTb> man, i want school to be OVER

<maxamillion> Commander|away: what you doing in #fedora anyways?

<maxamillion> ellioTb: don't get me started ... been coding for 3 days straight, from the moment i wake up until the moment i go to sleep

<cellofellow> classes over for now?

<j1mc> what have you been coding, maxamillion ?

<wildfire_> i have a dell 24" its alot of sexy ubuntu

<ellioTb> weak, spent 32 hours the last 3 days finishing a photography project

<wildfire_> er xubuntu

<ellioTb> about to start a book report and study for a test that are both tomorrow

<wildfire_> finals wooo

<wildfire_> i miss school

<maxamillion> wildfire_: i have dual 17" at work ... uber secksie

<wildfire_> haha

<cellofellow> dual monitors AND beryl? wow.

<Commander|away> maxamillion, my work uses fedora

<maxamillion> j1mc: just concept stuff for datastructures ... i coded a generic stack, topological sort, hash function (using two types of collision handling), a threaded binary search tree, and memory management of 3 stacks within a single sequential array

<maxamillion> Commander|away: ahhhh ok

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, its awesome

<Commander|away> Xubuntu is so much nicer

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i don't have the money or the room on my desk at home for two monitors so i am settling with 1 19" widescreen :)

<maxamillion> Commander|away: amen

<czer323> Is there a way to change the grid size of the xfce4 desktop? The icons dont' space out as evenly as I'd like.

<cellofellow> I think so. try the desktop settings.

<czer323> checked, didn't help

<wildfire_> I wanna see that projector that can make anything its projected on a touch screen monitor running beryl

<cellofellow> I have my icons set at 48p and I don't have problems like that.

<maxamillion> wildfire_: that would be wild

* maxamillion just realized that was a mild pun .... wasn't intended though

<wildfire_> lol

<wildfire_> i saw the projector on techeblog somewhere.

<wildfire_> had a couple of artist projecting photoshop onto a hudge white desk painting up close and personal in the details

<wildfire_> was really pimp/// beryl on that would be like wow.

<wildfire_> huge

<czer323> cellofellow, it's a laptop running at 800x600, but the right edge won't allow me to put icons there. it looks like it'd have room, but they just won't go! ;) Changing the icon size didn't help much, so i'll just have to keep look'n.

<B1zz> I installed bcm43xx driver on my Xubuntu system, when i go to look for networks (iwlist scan) it tells me my eth2 interface does not suport scanning no such file

<wildfire_> But what I really want.. Is to take that cube thingy, and instead of desktop wallpaper.. make it themable 3d schemes like.. a 3d fishtank you can spin around , or an ant farm.. or 2 ut2007 bots battling it out in the center of a square arena.. and then have the windows, and taskbars ontop of that.

<cellofellow> oh, huh. I wish that one could change the icon alignment with a simple button. I like right-side icons too.

<wildfire_> well im out.. Im starting to see things.

<wildfire_> really.. really seriously

<cellofellow> we believe you. GO! GO!

<wildfire_> ;P

*** wildfire_ is now known as wildfire|slp

<cellofellow> ;P is very unnatural. wink you left eye and stick your tounge out on the left it's weird.

<cellofellow> wink right actually

<czer323> it's more like a squished face sticking out a tongue

<czer323> like, little kids do.

<cellofellow> oh, haha

<mike-e> where's the screensaver settings on xubuntu?

<kalikiana> mike-e: just in the settings manager

<czer323> It's weird that screen saver is only accessible from the Settings Manager. I'd imagine it should also be in the "Applicatons> Settings" section.

*** zen-afk is now known as zenrox

* kalikiana nods

<LADoctor> hi, i have intel celeron 533mgh with i think about 64mb of ram and 32mb video card, what kind of linux would you recomend

<twiggz> im using zenwalk on a 500mhz p3....

<twiggz> it runs like a bat out of hell

<cellofellow> ok, I just mushed up my xubuntu installation. When I goot I get grub, with splash screen, and then usplash, but nothing else, no init going through the runlevels, just dead.

<cellofellow> what can I do? I'm on a Puppy livecd atm.

<Commander-Crowe> what happned?

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: I was resizing and moving around partitions. When I rebooted, init started I guess cause usplash worked, but then nothing.

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<Commander-Crowe> fsck the drive

<cellofellow> k

<cellofellow> does it have to be mounted? I don't know how to use fsck

<Commander-Crowe> NO

<Commander-Crowe> don't mount it

<cellofellow> says clean

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> I think when you resized it it removed some semi-vital files/programs

<cellofellow> what I did: used gparted to resize partition. from linux the partition looked the same size it had been even though it was now much bigger. So I dd the partition to a larger drive, reboot in puppy, totally repartition the drive, and then loop mount the image and cp all of the files to the / partition. I then modified fstab a little and rebooted into xubuntu.

<Commander-Crowe> did you take away from the xubuntu partition?

<cellofellow> no

<cellofellow> just added

<Commander-Crowe> or add to it?

<cellofellow> I should have dd'ed an image of it BEFORE i resized I guess.

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<cellofellow> is the image I have still helpable?

<Commander-Crowe> cp'ing all the files won't work

<cellofellow> ok, figured.

<Commander-Crowe> it doesn't pick up some files

<Commander-Crowe> how did you make the image?

<cellofellow> dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/home/josh/root-disk.img

<cellofellow> as root, in xubuntu

<cellofellow> after it had gotten resized yet hadn't realized it had.

<Commander-Crowe> did you take the image file off the HDD and onto a disk?

<Commander-Crowe> or you created the image after resizing

<cellofellow> /home is a different disk altogether than /hda1, it's hdd1 I think

<cellofellow> created after resizing. this was try 2 with the image.

<Commander-Crowe> oh\

<Commander-Crowe> did you format the resized drive?

<cellofellow> yeah, it's blown up and put back together again already.

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> what FS was it before and after you resized it?

<cellofellow> ext3

<cellofellow> and the new one I copied the image into.

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<cellofellow> ideas?

<cellofellow> something must have happened to init stuff, cause that's what wasn't running.

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<Commander-Crowe> there is this guy in #linuxgg named zoredache

<Commander-Crowe> he's like a debian mastermind

<Commander-Crowe> talk to him

<cellofellow> ok

<Commander-Crowe> if he can't help you...reinstall Xubuntu

<Commander-Crowe> thats all i ccan say

<cellofellow> ok

<cellofellow> thanks. I so wish I had a working cd burner, cause I'll have to install kubuntu and then xubuntu on top of that. I don't have a xubuntu cd.

<cellofellow> (used shipit_

<cellofellow> )

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<Commander-Crowe> ah

<Commander-Crowe> sorry about that

<cellofellow> how can I use the image I made to restore my system?

<Commander-Crowe> looks like he's not there

<Commander-Crowe> !dd

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> :(

<Commander-Crowe> not sure...never used it

<Commander-Crowe> my lag is 10.4

<Commander-Crowe> he's there now

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<atarinox> can anybody help me get the flash-plugin working for opera...i've installed the flash 9 beta, and it seems to be setup alright in opera's preferences...but still not working

<JKnife> i can not.. sorry..

<JKnife> <-- is headed to bed REAL soon

<Commander-Crowe> atarinox, cp libflash.so ~./opera/plugin

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: dont ya mean ~/.opera?

<crimsun> nah, he likes syntax errors.

<maxamillion> /home/user/.opera/ (where 'user' is your login name)

<JKnife> crimsun: ahh that makes sense

<maxamillion> lets just start throwing complete paths out there :P

* maxamillion goes back to his code

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> sorry

<Commander-Crowe> typo

<JKnife> OMG WHEN WILL THE BUGS END!?!?!

<cellofellow> when angels write the code.

<JKnife> this one deals with sylpheed-claws +the tray icon and fluxbox

<Commander-Crowe> never....never never never

<maxamillion> JKnife: YOU ARE RUNNING FEISTY

* maxamillion again returns to his code

<JKnife> maxamillion: =\ umm i think this exists in edgy also XD

<JKnife> well that fixed it.. what ever i did

<e30power> is anyone running the engage panel?

<JKnife> e30power: umm try #e

<JKnife> XD

<maxamillion> !engage

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about engage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

* maxamillion googles engage panel

<czer323> Any other people try this fusesmb trick? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300310

* maxamillion notes that googles shows nothing about engage panel in the first two pages of search and thus gives up and returns to his code

<cellofellow> I use fues for sshfs but not smbfs.

<czer323> I don't actually have an option to check "Allow use of fuse file systems..." in the user & groups. I'm assuming i have to add it?

<kalikiana> czer323: fuse rocks! :)

<kalikiana> czer323: i have the option

<JKnife> maxamillion: it is a OSX like panel for E17

<czer323> kalikiana, did you have to add it? or... do these instructions seem complete?

<maxamillion> rgr

<cellofellow> czer323: cat /etc/groups | grep fues

<cellofellow> fuse

<Commander-Crowe> someone ping ther eDNS server and tell me there average ms

<e30power> alright, found it

<czer323> cellofellow, it's not there. I assume that's part of the problem.

<cellofellow> yeah, probably

<cellofellow> when I installed fuse it added a user for itself.

<cellofellow> user group

<Commander-Crowe> will I get banned for using bad language?

<cellofellow> maybe

<cellofellow> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<Commander-Crowe> I said sucks in #fedora and got myself banned

<kalikiana> czer323: i installed fusesmb like in that page and there was the option

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: ok, someone is overreacting.

<Commander-Crowe> someone go there and say it

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> no

<czer323> Commander-Crowe, in what context did you say sucks?

<Commander-Crowe> I'm jsut bored

<Commander-Crowe> I need to help someone out

<cellofellow> I'm not going into the nuthouse called #fedora.

<Commander-Crowe> and isntall a spell checker

<JKnife> cellofellow: been there XD

<kalikiana> czer323: it is under user rights, where you also have cdrom or audio access rights

<Commander-Crowe> this sucks!

<czer323> I think i figured it out, i installed fuse, not fusesmb. :) Durr.

<Commander-Crowe> relating to wireless setup

<cellofellow> they just don't like *buntu people I guess.

<cellofellow> if they could tell.

<kalikiana> czer323: note that you will need to restart to mount as a user

<Commander-Crowe> I'm in FC right now

<Commander-Crowe> so long Xubuntu...I'll miss you until my boss allows Xubuntu

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: why wouldn't he?

<cellofellow> This PC I have now came with FC4, I uninstalled that like two days after I got it.

<Commander-Crowe> um...he fears Debian based systems

<Commander-Crowe> :s

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: give me his email, i will straighten him out

<cellofellow> max works in a windows shop.

<cellofellow> what's so fearful about debian anyway?

* maxamillion does work in a windows dominated tech office but runs xubuntu

<Commander-Crowe> no

<Commander-Crowe> I don't want to get fired

<maxamillion> fair enough

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: what do you do?

<Commander-Crowe> brb

<maxamillion> rgr

<maxamillion> cellofellow: anytime my boss makes me run windows i just rdesktop into one of our servers :P

<maxamillion> cellofellow: but that is very seldom and normally is for win2k3 server management

<cellofellow> you get xdmcp worked out yet so all of those windows boxes can be thin-clients to your workstation?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: lol, i don't have the authority to do something like that ... i'm just a student employee of my university

* JKnife heads out for a smoke then bed..

<JKnife> good night

<Commander-Crowe> I help test out firwalls

<Commander-Crowe> firewalls

<Commander-Crowe> night

<cellofellow> but I told you about the thumbdrive thing. I remeber now. download xming, install on a windows computer, and copy the Program Files/Xming dir except the uninstall files to the thumbdrive. Runs just fine.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: ah, rgr

<cellofellow> rgr?

<czer323> affirmative.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: short hand for "roger" which means "ok" ... its gamer speak i picked up off a friend who used to play counterstrike:source professionally

<maxamillion> it also means affirmative

<cellofellow> ok, roger I know, just didn't see rgr for what it was. I'm not a gamer.

<maxamillion> me either ... just picked it up from im'ing with him

<maxamillion> brb

<czer323> it's not a typical gamer lingo. it's military ;)

<cellofellow> lots of games are military czer323

<czer323> I would agree that there's a certain genre of games that revolve around military. But that doesn't meant that they should always be associated.

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<cellofellow> yeah ok

<Commander-Crowe> ooooooooooooh yeah

<Commander-Crowe> jimmi hendrix ftw

<cellofellow> were did that come from?

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> I'm jsut listening to some of his christmas stuff

<cellofellow> it's 00:20 I really should go to sleep. But this stupid hard drive I really need it to work.

<cellofellow> ok. just sort of OT and was out of the clear blue.

<Commander-Crowe> oh

<Commander-Crowe> sorry

<cellofellow> it's ok :)

<Commander-Crowe> um

<Commander-Crowe> oh nevermind

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> going back into the lions den

*** Commander-Crowe is now known as Commander|away

<cellofellow> heh, stupid nethack death again.

<maxamillion> lol

<kalikiana> Is a python-knowing person present?

<cellofellow> kalikiana: just so you know, I love your find too.

<cellofellow> tool

<kalikiana> cellofellow: that's extremely nice to hear, thx

<cellofellow> :)

<kalikiana> As surprisingly some people like it, where should I put it so other people might get it?

<maxamillion> th-sheep works on a desktop search tool written in python too ... forget the name of it though

* maxamillion wrote his name like that on purpose so as to not ping/bother him .... just incase it were to be questioned

<cellofellow> kalikiana: there's kde-apps.org, a brother site to kde-look.org. maybe there's something similar for xfce. xfce-apps.org?

<kalikiana> max: I know his app but I ddin't want to work against him; honestly I noticed lately it might be similar but hopefully his tool will have other features

<maxamillion> kalikiana: i actually mentioned it because you two might be able to help each other out, not work against one another

<cellofellow> yours is just about the best find frontend I've seen.

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<kalikiana> max: oh, ok. :) he has in fact a different approach to search files technically

<maxamillion> oh, i know nothing about either just knew he was working on a search tool

<kalikiana> cellofellow: don't praise me too much, it's still not finished

<cellofellow> works for me. keep me posted on updates.

<kalikiana> but i am a bit happy since it is the first app i release online

<kalikiana> should i make a small website for it? maybe i can put it in gnome-files

*** Commander|away is now known as Commander-Crowe

<cellofellow> you have access to something like google pages? maybe google code?

<kalikiana> i have webspace, but no google or sf account

<cellofellow> well, if you can come up with something, great. even cooler would be an rss feed with updates, but I don't want to press you.

<maxamillion> kalikiana: do you have access to the server? you should make a trac for it :)

<cellofellow> I have a few hundred megabytes here.

<maxamillion> i own a web server, me and a friend built it a few years ago ... dual opteron 244s, 4gb of ram, 500gb hdd space ... level 3 colocation w/ 40mbps fiber line :)

<kalikiana> Scripts on my webspace are no problem, but I would be afraid of traffic from feeds

<maxamillion> i go broke paying for my share of the net connection :(

<cellofellow> darnit, killed by a gnome king and his magic missile.

<kalikiana> trac is python? then i'm not sure if i can use that, i have no direct access

<maxamillion> kalikiana: not sure what trac is to be honest

<cellofellow> that's thesheep's program isn't it?

<kalikiana> max: i found it in wikipedia and it said python

<kalikiana> cellofellow: wiki says 'edgewall software'

<cellofellow> huh

* cellofellow is now waiting for his system's tarball to unzip.

* cellofellow really should have used an uncompressed tarball.

<kalikiana> still messing with your file-movements?

<cellofellow> yeah

<cellofellow> I need a Xubuntu CD just in case this happens again.

<cellofellow> I have a disk image, just no disk.

<cellofellow> wb Commander-Crowe

<kalikiana> i have a reserved rw for the current xubuntu :)

<Commander-Crowe> HAHA

<Commander-Crowe> xfce works

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: did it not?

<Commander-Crowe> yeah

<Commander-Crowe> I'm in Fedora

<Commander-Crowe> remember

<Commander-Crowe> I'm gonna make it look as much like Xubuntu as possible

<maxamillion> lol, rock on

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: did you read my exit message in fedora?

* maxamillion does note that xubuntu is _a_ debian

<Commander-Crowe> no

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<maxamillion> that guy was like "i need help with my wifi" and i was tempted to say "ok, step 1: install xubuntu, step 2: join #xubuntu and i will help you there"

<maxamillion> but i didn't feel like starting an irc war right now ... too busy coding to bother flame waring with a lesser distro

<cellofellow> ok, I'm gonna try my recovered system. be back soon.

<maxamillion> $5 says it doesn't work ... any takers?

<maxamillion> wait, no ... nvm

* maxamillion mixed up cellowfellow with someone else trying to do something he didn't think could be done with data transfer

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

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<Commander-Crowe> pfft

<Commander-Crowe> argh

<Commander-Crowe> erm

<Commander-Crowe> so maxamillion how long have you been part of this group?

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: i guess since july

<maxamillion> so 5 months

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdamMiller <--about me, i guess i will add my joining of the xubuntu community in there too

<Commander-Crowe> anyone here play tribal wars?

<Commander-Crowe> you have your own wiki?

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: sure, why not ... just sign up, login, make wiki :)

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: i actually made it because i started getting into devepment and doing bug team and such on lp

<Commander-Crowe> ah

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter

<maxamillion> that's what encouraged me to get registered with the wiki and launchpad

<maxamillion> wb cellofellow, how'd it go?

<cellofellow> uhgg. I'm reinstalling from the kubuntu dapper cd

<maxamillion> :(

<cellofellow> anyone know how to completely remove kubuntu-junk once I'm installed. After I do that I'll upgrade to edgy, and then I'll install xubuntu-desktop.

<maxamillion> negative

<czer323> I've heard there's a huge apt-get remove command you can find.

<maxamillion> well ... _maybe_ with aptitude

<cellofellow> yeah, it's not installed with aptitude is it.

<cellofellow> so the auto-marked flags won't work.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: no, but its a fresh install ... aptitude might be aware

<cellofellow> but, I might be able to pull something together.

<czer323> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157897

<czer323> Check that, I dunno how legit/safe it is though.

<czer323> Also http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Uninstall_kubuntu-desktop

<czer323> seems safer.

<cellofellow> well, if it is indeed fresh, I should be able to just press d on kubuntu-desktop in aptitude and auto-installed mark a huge chunk of files.

<cellofellow> the whole point is a base system should upgrade faster and cleaner.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: you _should_ be able to ... question is _can_ you

<cellofellow> yeah, ok

<maxamillion> cellofellow: you have an alternate cd laying around? ... could just install base and build up

<czer323> They seriously need to build the same alt features into the live cd.

<maxamillion> czer323: there has been alot of conversation around that in the past.... i will bring it up next time the devel mailing list thread comes back to me

<czer323> At least the base install, and if at possible, the ability to use it as a repository.

<cellofellow> maxamillion: no, I have no alt cd. this is my only cd. I did have an Ubuntu Dapper Desktop CD until this morning when I gave it to a freind.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: :(

<maxamillion> cellofellow: any blank cds sitting around?

<cellofellow> wish I did have some.

* czer323 emails cellofellow a cd with 6.10 Xubunut alt

<maxamillion> lol

<cellofellow> I already have the desktopcd iso, and could get the alt in a few hours of torrent, but I don't have any cd's sorry. snail mail would be better. :)

<czer323> I actually have a whole 50 cd spindle of random install cds next to my keyboard.

<maxamillion> czer323: i have one of those at work ... most from the edgy beta cycle .. just different builds and architectures

<cellofellow> Those links were nice. The first is for Ubuntu users removing X/Kubuntu. The second is OLD, breezy.

<cellofellow> I think I know how I'll handle it.

<maxamillion> ok, i _really_ have to code now ... bbl

<BuG56> hello

<cellofellow> hi

<BuG56> wondered if you guys would mind helping me with a problem

<cellofellow> !anyone

<ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?

<BuG56> I can't get my audio to work

<cellofellow> what card? alsa or oss? is it just a matter of finding the volume controller?

<BuG56> sound blaster audigy

<BuG56> I'm a bit of a loss on how to install alsa

<cellofellow> alsa's there don't worry.

<BuG56> oh allright

<cellofellow> to get a volume controller, add the volume panel applet to the panel. see if that helps.

<BuG56> says volume is at 80%

<cellofellow> :$, well there goes all of the down-pat answers

<BuG56> some sliders are not on though... line... pc speaker... should those be on?

<cellofellow> usually the only ones I see working are Main, PCM, and FM.

<cellofellow> but, could be different for you.

<BuG56> I have tons of switches, master is on though so I figure that should give me something.

<BuG56> PCM is actually off and I can't turn it on

<cellofellow> turn everything on just to try it.

<cellofellow> huh

<BuG56> well the only ones that I was unable to turn on were PCM, Line, CD, Mic, Video, Phone, IEC958 Optical, PC speaker (that one is bugging me), and Aux

* cellofellow will bbl

<Commander-Crowe> https://launchpad.net/people/tommy18crowe-yahoo

<Commander-Crowe> maxamillion, theres mine :)

* cellofellow is back

<cellofellow> commence operation un-kubuntu!

<BuG56> welcome back cello

<BuG56> Are you still helping me out?

<cellofellow> BuG56: as best I can. I'm no bigshot with audio.

<cellofellow> BuG56: try this. open a terminal and type alsa-mixer

<BuG56> command not found

<cellofellow> type asla<tab><tab> then

<cellofellow> alsa

<BuG56> oh it says alsamixer not alsa-mixer

<BuG56> hm ok now im at the mixer

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<BuG56> turned what I could on at the mixer

<BuG56> still nothing

<czer323> BuG56, I'm not sure that I can figure out the problem, but I just wanted to clarify exactly what the issue is. You can't hear any audio?

* kalikiana cheers because he fixed a very annoying problem in his code

<BuG56> yes. I can't hear any audio

<czer323> BuG56, and the audigy usually have a few different audio outs. You've checked them all?

<BuG56> on the mixer?

<czer323> Like... physically, put in the jack and made sure they all work

<czer323> or aren't working rather.

<BuG56> no it's not that

<BuG56> they are physically working on windows

<czer323> k, just saying i have 2 audio outs, front/back

<czer323> sometimes, the surround isn't turned up, so you never hear the other output.

<BuG56> I turned surround on but I still dont hear anything

<czer323> And what exactly are you using to test it?

<BuG56> the gxine main ubuntu video

<crimsun> BuG56: pastebin your ``amixer'' output.

<BuG56> Simple mixer control 'Master',0

<BuG56> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch

<BuG56> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right

<BuG56> Limits: Playback 0 - 31

<BuG56> Mono:

<czer323> lol

<czer323> pastebin...

<cellofellow> !pastebin

<ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)

<cellofellow> see channel topic

<czer323> I'm not sure he came back yet.

<cellofellow> I decided to install xubuntu-destkop before the upgrade. Overall I thought it would save bandwidth.

<BuG56> did you guys get it?

<cellofellow> BuG56: I think you got kicked off cause of flooding the channel.

<cellofellow> we didn't get the whole thing.

<cellofellow> !pastebin

<ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)

<BuG56> oh sorry

<cellofellow> I didn'

<cellofellow> t do it

<cellofellow> go to www.rafb.net/paste. the ubuntu pastebin isn't working.

<BuG56> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/oMsQcJ24.html

* cellofellow thinks sleep sounds good. His download isn't going to be done for another hour anyways.

*** cellofellow is now known as cellofellow_asle

*** cellofellow_asle is now known as cellofellow_zzzz

<czer323> !vnc

<ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX

<BuG56> ok..I'm installing it

<crimsun> um

<crimsun> that's not audigy amixer output

<crimsun> that's onboard sound amixer output

<crimsun> asoundconf list

<crimsun> ^^ pastebin output from that

<BuG56> Names of available sound cards:

<BuG56> SI7012

<BuG56> UART

<BuG56> Audigy2

<crimsun> heh.

<crimsun> no wonder you're not getting any sound.

<czer323> ...

<czer323> didn't try ALL the jacks.

<BuG56> ?

<crimsun> BuG56: I take it you want to use the Audigy 2 for everything?

<BuG56> yeah...

<crimsun> BuG56: asoundconf set-default-card Audigy2

<crimsun> BuG56: next, restart your audio/video apps

<BuG56> holy crap

<BuG56> i love you man

<czer323> crimsun, it was just configured to use the onboard card wasn't it?

<BuG56> thanks a lot

<crimsun> it uses the default unless you tell it to. The default is card 0, which is the top-most listed there.

<crimsun> tell it Not to, rather

<BuG56> thanks again.

<crimsun> np

<BuG56> goodbye

<czer323> Anyone know what this skin is? http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/fluxbuntu-1rev2.png

<maxamillion> czer323: You don't have permission to access /images/screenshots/fluxbuntu-1rev2.png on this server.

<maxamillion> czer323: message i get when trying to see the image

<czer323> alright, gimme a minute to fidn the original link

<czer323> http://techbycolin.com/?p=83

<czer323> It's the first pic

<czer323> crap, and that one is super small.

<maxamillion> the fluxbuntu theme?

<czer323> yeah

<maxamillion> its just the fluxbuntu theme

<maxamillion> they made it

<czer323> but, it's part of nubuntu too.

<maxamillion> join #fluxbuntu, i'm sure they can tell you more about it

<czer323> I'll ask, but I doubt I'll get a response. They're mostly dead.

<maxamillion> rgr

<maxamillion> i'm in there ...

<maxamillion> joejaxx doesn't seem to be there

<czer323> yeah, i've been idling in there all day

<crimsun> idle : 0 days 6 hours 20 mins 54 secs

<crimsun> he's likely asleep.

<maxamillion> rgr

<czer323> lol, thanks ;)

<czer323> I wonder if i can teach my mom how to use fluxbox?

<maxamillion> doubtful

<maxamillion> why switch to flux?

* maxamillion is just curious

<czer323> It's just a random thought. It's a cyrix 233.

<crimsun> because fluxbox is obviously awesome.

<maxamillion> actually ... you could probably teach your mom

<crimsun> I'd use fluxbox instead of wiping my behind.

<crimsun> I'd also use fluxbox instead of drinking water or breathing.

<maxamillion> says the xubuntu core dev

<czer323> I think she'll like xfce better though. She's coming from a windows world.

<czer323> It's just that the computer itself is piss poor slow.

<crimsun> maxamillion: I use Fluxbox, too.

<maxamillion> czer323: yeah, i think she will too ... mainly because of the feature set ... but if you use fluxbox with pypanel or rox panel it might not be too bad for her and might gain a little performance over xfce4 ... but if you want light, go with debian base install and work your way up, the ubuntu-base is a little heavy because it supports _almost_ _everything_

<maxamillion> crimsun: i <3 flux ..... just get tired of it after a day or so

<crimsun> I definitely </3 Flux, and I only <3 Xfce a tiny bit more.

<crimsun> give me a bunch of ttys, and I'm happy.

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> i like xfce because it does everything i expect it to even when i don't know exactly how to do what i am trying to accomplist ... like the other day i was like "it would be nice if i could just "do this" (i don't remember what it was) but i did "this" and it worked ... made me smile

<maxamillion> accomplish*

<czer323> lol

<maxamillion> also, its fast, pretty to look at, and has all the features i want without having a bunch of extras i don't need and end up wasting time navigating through to get to the ones i do want

<czer323> i thought that about thunar earlier. i dragged a crumbtrail folder and dragged it to the desktop.

<maxamillion> czer323: worked right?

<czer323> yep

* maxamillion smiles

<maxamillion> ok ... code

<czer323> cya ;)

<maxamillion> its 4am, must code must code

* maxamillion will still be "around"-ish

<kalikiana> Any nautilus user here?

<maxamillion> negative

<maxamillion> i used to ... was a gnome user before a xfce user, what's up?

<kalikiana> maxamillion: I am looking for ways to open files with their associated app in gnome or other de's.

<maxamillion> kalikiana: right click the file

<maxamillion> kalikiana: in nautilus, you should be able to right click the file and select an application and then there should even be a further option to set that as the default app for next time that file type is double clicked

<maxamillion> kalikiana: why not use thunar though?

<kalikiana> maxamillion: I want my search tool to open files, but it should work on other de's if possible

<maxamillion> kalikiana: i am missing how your search tool's capability to open files has anything to do with nautilus

<kalikiana> maxamillion: I could just do 'Thunar /my/file', so I wondered if nautilus can do that

<maxamillion> kalikiana: you are only trying to open files in their default application?

<kalikiana> But now I have discovered exo-open and gnome-open

<kalikiana> And yes, should I not?

<maxamillion> kalikiana: no, you should ... but you don't need a file manager to do it

<maxamillion> kalikiana: python right?

<kalikiana> yep

<maxamillion> here is a snippet from the xubuntu welcome center that we are working on and this is the section that handles application launching ... http://pastebin.ca/266768

<maxamillion> kalikiana: here is a link to the current wiki for the project, the source code on there is a little outdated because we switched over to bzr on launchpad but if you have a lp account i can give you the link to that too and you can see what its doing http://welcome.sheep.art.pl/Xubuntu_Welcome_Centre

<kalikiana> so that'S why I didn't see any more updates *g

* maxamillion does note that all code has been written by the sheep and somerville

<czer323> maxamillion, while you're at it, think you can make an easier to setup vnc server for the next release?

<maxamillion> czer323: ermmm... that would probably be more of a ubuntu upstream issue than a xubuntu issue

<kalikiana> but i fear the snippet doesn't open user files

* maxamillion re-examines code ...

<czer323> maxamillion, not really. Ubuntu already has an option to turn on vnc for gnome.

<czer323> I want one for xfce ;)

<maxamillion> czer323: ohhh ok, didn't know there was a gnome app

<maxamillion> kalikiana: it launches the application and you can just pass the app the filename

<maxamillion> kalikiana: just like "abiword file.txt" but os.spawn(os.P_NOWAIT,'/usr/bin/%' % command % filename) ... yes?

<maxamillion> os.spawn(os.P_NOWAIT,'/usr/bin/%s %s' % command % filename)*

* maxamillion appologizes his python is ameture at best ... busy with class work in ada and will learn python later, hence his lack of contribution of code to the project as of yet

<maxamillion> :(

<kalikiana> so the problem remains: i need to know the default app before i can run it ;)

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<maxamillion> kalikiana: ah ... ok, yes ... sorry, you're right ... i was looking at it from a different point of view

<maxamillion> kalikiana: i assume there to be a file somewhere in .gnome or something of the like that contains such info for the user

<maxamillion> kalikiana: and the same for kde in .konqueror

<maxamillion> kalikiana: but then again ... i assume that you already thought of that and said thought prompted your earlier question

<kalikiana> maxamillion: nevermind, i'll use exo-open and gnome-open :)

<maxamillion> kalikiana: lol, sorry i was of little help ...

<maxamillion> :.

<maxamillion> :/*

<maxamillion> ok, i need sleep .. its 5am here

<maxamillion> night all

<kyre> I'm having a bit of truble conecting to wlan on my computer

<kyre> when i type in /iwlisten i gett eth1 scanning

<kyre> eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device

<kyre> but when i do iwconfig

<kyre> i gett kyre-laptop:~# iwconfig

<kyre> lo no wireless extensions.

<kyre> eth0 no wireless extensions.

<kyre> sit0 no wireless extensions.

<kyre> eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:off/any Nickname:"Broadcom 4306" Mode:Managed Access Point: Invalid RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0

<kyre> [A[B[Bc

<kyre> any one that can help ?

<crimsun> what is `iwlisten'?

<kyre> typo

<kyre> iwlist

<crimsun> where are you typing ``iwlist eth1 scanning''?

<kyre> bash ?

<kyre> as root

<crimsun> ok, so in a terminal?

<crimsun> the syntax you used (particularly the '/' preface was misleading)

* crimsun leaves for a meeting

<kyre> im having isues copy pasting

<squareyes> hi all, have installed xubuntu on an old 166 machine, but can't get it to recognise the video card, it's an old matrox, any sugestions (not rude _

<JKnife> =\ cats needs to speak english..

<JKnife> mine is whining and will not shut up

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<DARKGuy> Good mornin' :)

<DARKGuy> Anybody knows how do I send something using a bash script to /var/log/messages or /var/log/user.log ?

<kalikiana> DARKGuy: where do you intend to send something?

<DARKGuy> kalikiana: to /var/log/messages or /var/log/user.log ... or dunno, a new logfile I make?

<phlasphy> hey all

<kalikiana> hi phlasphy

<DARKGuy> hey phlasphy

<kalikiana> DARKGuy: like lsusb > /var/log/user.log ?

<DARKGuy> kalikiana: kinda, someone told me something similar in another channel :p

<phlasphy> hey

<notwist> anybody knows why my mplayer window doesn't resize the movies when i resize the window?

<notwist> fixed it, np

<notwist> or maybe not

<phlasphy> :)

<notwist> saw a forum thread about changing the video driver to "xv", so i did, but its still the same

<notwist> i uncommented it in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf

<notwist> but nothing changed

<phlasphy> sorry i cant help

* phlasphy is trying a CLI only enviroment

<sensei> notwist: Maybe your graphics card isn't supported

<notwist> sensei: it worked in ubuntu

<notwist> but not now in xubuntu

<sensei> What graphics card do you have, and what driver is xorg using ?

<phlasphy> vesa no dount

<notwist> ati radeon 9800 pro

<notwist> no idea what drivers is used

<sensei> Look that up

<notwist> how?

<phlasphy> i just nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf

<phlasphy> i think

<phlasphy> that is it

<notwist> i dont even have a /etc/x11 :S

<PuMpErNiCkLe> It's /etc/X11, case sensitive.

<notwist> oh

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<phlasphy> i have not done it for a while

<notwist> sensei: so what part of the config should i look at?

<kalikiana> notwist: I know the problem, you should try all output plugins and see if it works (restart mplayer each time)

<notwist> thats weird

<notwist> i changed to "xv" in the mplayer GUI

<notwist> and now it works

<notwist> but it did nothing when i changed the config file :S

<sensei> notwist: the Device section

<notwist> sensei: got it to work :)

<sensei> Ok, cool

<zen2> hello

<zen2> can i ask is there a bootable floopy available for xubuntu

<phlasphy> zen2: do you ever go on austnet?

<zen2> no

<zen2> yeah im lieing

<zen2> lying

<zen2> 'you found me

<zen2> ok does anyone here actually knwo the answer

<phlasphy> you are zennix?

<zen2> yeah man

<phlasphy> :(

<phlasphy> i dont think there is

<zen2> yeah well my old system wont boot cd

<phlasphy> zen2: why not?

<zen2> and i need the system to boot to nix so i can install

<zen2> its old man

<zen2> what year were you born

<phlasphy> 1990

<phlasphy> lol

<zen2> this bios was made 6 years after you were bortn

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<zen2> this bios was made 6 years after you were born

<phlasphy> why can you not put the HDD in a differant pc and install it on that then put it back in the old pc

<zen2> and i dont knwo how to make a xubuntu floopy bootable

<zen2> dont work like that

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> your up late