| <rexbron> yay it fixed | |
| <rexbron> I think it may have been an issue with not enough memory | |
| <rexbron> I need to find out what it gobbeling up all my ram | |
| <rexbron> I have 512 and it has about 40 megs free | |
| <rexbron> I think something is leaking, | |
| <matjan> hmm.. 40 free iss not too much indeed | |
| <matjan> openoffice is quite resource intensive... | |
| <jamonation> damn damn damn, file transfer from one drive to another stopped at 107 out of 120gb... | |
| <jamonation> now I gotta restart it | |
| *** tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso | |
| <rexbron> jamonation: What is the console command that will show what is using the most memory? | |
| <Burgundavia> top | |
| <rexbron> that sorts by processor useage, unless there is a modifier | |
| <Burgundavia> ps can probably do it | |
| <Burgundavia> look for a swtich | |
| <tonyyarusso> How do you make email and URL for you nick allowed to show in /whois? | |
| <rexbron> Oh I know why my memory usage is so high, It is using alot of it as disk cache | |
| <rexbron> there is not as much a problem as I thought | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: So who let you set the topic? ;) | |
| <PFA> tonyyarusso: nobody; "French" wasn't capitalized and it was -t so i changed it | |
| <tonyyarusso> PFA: Ah, I see | |
| * rexbron is happy that his assignment is done, but is not looking forward to having to be on location at 7:00AM tomorrow | |
| <rexbron> mylesbraithwaite: ping | |
| <dennister> jamonation: :) | |
| <dennister> howdy to all whom i don't know yet | |
| <jamonation> hello dennister | |
| <dennister> how r ya? i'm still in kde/xorg mess with a new install :) | |
| * jamonation scratches head... the advantage to having one's name as part of one's nick is immediately clear | |
| <jamonation> a new install? what happened to the old one? | |
| <dennister> kde was such a mess i got tired of struggling to fix it...tab completion wasn't even working anymore | |
| <jamonation> wow, that's rough | |
| <jamonation> usually a good thing to try first is creating a new user and loggin in with a default configuration | |
| <dennister> this time I'm determined to get x and kde working properly before moving on to other things, like my nvdia installation | |
| <jamonation> right | |
| <jamonation> so what's the inital trouble then? likely not confined to kde | |
| <dennister> too late now...my current issue is which cyrillic fonts to install? | |
| <dennister> there are so many...and I've still got some parameter xsession errors | |
| * jamonation never bothered with anything other than the defaults | |
| <dennister> as to cyrillic, there are no defaults installed here | |
| <jamonation> right | |
| <jamonation> well, what are the x errors then? | |
| <dennister> xorg 7.1 even had the directories wrong; i've fixed most of them | |
| <dennister> can u tell me which cyrillic fonts you have as defaults? then we'll talk about badmatch and bad pixmap | |
| <dennister> or i could put the whole xsession.errors file in a pastebin | |
| <dennister> !pastebin | |
| <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | |
| <jamonation> poking around synaptic, the only cyrillic packages/fonts installed on my machine (by default that is) are: console-terminus, ttf-dejavu, and ttf-gentium | |
| <dennister> hmmm...bot in this channel doesn't reply with the link | |
| <jamonation> it's there: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | |
| <dennister> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35246/ I'm on kubuntu, btw | |
| <dennister> I'll start installing the console-terminus and gentium...have the djavu | |
| <jamonation> well, let's see, those 2 xerrors, I' | |
| <jamonation> have had those for a long as I can remember | |
| <jamonation> don't know what they mean, but haven't ever encountered a problem with them | |
| <jamonation> as with the kbuildsycoca | |
| <jamonation> i know it isn't helpful... | |
| <dennister> k, it seems i also had console-terminus...so perhaps i'm just being a perfectinist and worrying about things i dont need to worry about? | |
| <jamonation> let's put it this way: I've never even looked up cyrillic anything until just now :) | |
| <jamonation> that being said, they're in the repos for a reason | |
| <dennister> heheheh...ok, i'll worry about the artsd being present instead of alsa being default in a bit...have another question | |
| <jamonation> ok, one sec. artsd runs as a daemon that interfaces with alsa | |
| <dennister> so far I only have the ubuntu-server kernel. do i really need to get another kernel before installing the nvdia driver? | |
| <jamonation> what type of machine do you have? | |
| <jamonation> with edgy unless you have more than 4gb of ram, your best bet is the generic kernel IMO | |
| <dennister> i have 2G ram, an amd 64 x2 3800+ cpu | |
| <jamonation> you are running 64bit edgy? | |
| <dennister> no...386...wasted 3 mths struggling with 64-bit os's | |
| <jamonation> ouch | |
| <jamonation> ok, well for nvidia you want the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 package | |
| <jamonation> as well as nvidia-glx | |
| <jamonation> those two packages should pull down any needed dependencies | |
| <dennister> with my last installation (where i did get myth installed) i installed the 2.6.17.10 generic kernel, and then the 2.6.17-386, which I ended up using the most | |
| <dennister> the problem was that the 2.6.17-386 didn't even end up using the second cpu | |
| <jamonation> right, generic is compiled with smp support, I don't think 386 is | |
| <dennister> so i don't need another kernel at all? just install the restricted modules and nvidia-glx? | |
| <jamonation> yep, the nvidia driver will install itself properly | |
| <jamonation> you may have to change "nv" to "nvidia" in your xorg.conf | |
| <jamonation> can't recall | |
| <jamonation> it may do it itself | |
| <jamonation> the "nv" line is in the "Device" section of the file | |
| <jamonation> you likely don't even have to reboot, just install the driver, change the line, and restart X (ctrl+alt+bksp) | |
| <jamonation> it should load the new driver and you'll have 3d acceleration | |
| <dennister> yes, i remember how to do the opengl properly with "nvidia"...i've even saved my old xorg.conf file with all my tweaks...now is it the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic that I need, or linux-restricted-modules-gneric? | |
| <jamonation> check the descriptions of both, grab the one that syas metapackage | |
| <jamonation> it'll pull down the other | |
| <dennister> neither of them say 'metapackage' i'm afraid, or smp, but the one with all the numbers does say x86_64 generic | |
| <dennister> let me try synaptic instead of adept here | |
| <jamonation> ok, well that one will work for sure | |
| <dennister> yes, i'm sure it will work...i'm jsut concerned that it'll try to restrict me in future to 64-bit architecture apps, and 386 was so much easier for so many thngs | |
| <dennister> sun-java, flash, everything | |
| <jamonation> unless the disc you used to install was amd64, your system will always be i386 based | |
| <dennister> that's a relief, ty, ty, ty :) | |
| <jamonation> in fact, you cannot run 64bit anything on a 386 kernel | |
| <jamonation> np, you're safe, I promise | |
| <dennister> see, even if I've been very successful these last few weeks, there are still areas where I'm unsure, and could do bonehead things very easily | |
| <jamonation> that's part of the fun | |
| <jamonation> only way to learn is to have a good working backup system and then just "do" stuff | |
| <dennister> yes, and i'm learning with each and every install, making things better all the time, but my son is freaking :) | |
| <jamonation> heh, getting antsy or worried he's going to loose his XP? | |
| <dennister> hardly the way to convince him to try linux, heheh...no, he has his own machine i built for him, and rebuilt after xp locked us out...but he sees me starting over again so many times he says, "see, this is why i don't want to trust linux" | |
| <dennister> it's not linux' fault, it's my own ignorance, being a noob and all | |
| <jamonation> well I see it more as a matter of trusting onself to go slowly and read everything | |
| <dennister> but he doesn't see it that way....he just sees the xp working and the linux constantly being configured | |
| <jamonation> yeah, he likely doesn't recall the time he spent getting it setup just teh way he likes xp | |
| <jamonation> kde takes more tweaking then gnome as well in my experience | |
| <jamonation> unless you want gnome to look markedly different, in which case it takes way more work | |
| <dennister> i might bring him along to the next meeting as our protypical linux maysayer...reulctant mainstream type | |
| <dennister> one of his friends, who wants to use linux for film editing has already said he'd come | |
| <jamonation> if he sees beryl he'll be a convert for life :) | |
| <dennister> yeah? i don't know much about beryl yet...another of his friends was doing an essay on "microsoft is evil" | |
| <jamonation> heh | |
| <dennister> i helped her with some research sources :) | |
| <dennister> but i should go now..the nvidia will want me to restart x | |
| <jamonation> indeed | |
| <dennister> thank heaven for ctl-alt-backspace :) | |
| <dennister> tty soon | |
| <dennister> and ty once again | |
| <linuzo> Sup | |
| <linuzo> Ubuntu rules!!!!! | |
| <linuzo> :P | |
| <Madpilot> hi linuzo | |
| <linuzo> hey madpilot | |
| <linuzo> What's up with this channel. | |
| <linuzo> ubuntu canada. pretty cool I gues. | |
| <linuzo> Vancouver here where you at? | |
| <Madpilot> Victoria | |
| <tonyyarusso> Peterborough | |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Madpilot | |
| *** Madpilot sets mode: +t | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o Madpilot | |
| <linuzo> :) | |
| <linuzo> So how many ubuntu users in Canada? | |
| <Burgundavia> some? | |
| <Madpilot> hard to tell, really | |
| <linuzo> yeah I guess | |
| <linuzo> for some reason my games in cedega run too fast | |
| <Madpilot> in terms of ubuntu-ca activity, Victoria & Toronto seem to be the centers, but there's people from the whole country | |
| <Burgundavia> the only hard numbers we can get are looking at IPs hitting ca.archive.ubuntu.com | |
| <linuzo> can't even play most wanted.. car goes flying into a wall in 2 seconds | |
| <linuzo> crazy.. | |
| <Madpilot> Burgundavia, except for those of us who don't use the ca archives ;) | |
| <Burgundavia> yep, but by default most do | |
| <linuzo> yeah but canada mirrors are slow | |
| <linuzo> I use the US ones | |
| <linuzo> anyone know a good S939 board that is fully supported by ubuntu? | |
| <linuzo> I'm looking to upgrade from this 754 but any ideas? | |
| <tonyyarusso> linuzo: A billion! | |
| <linuzo> a billion! | |
| <tonyyarusso> I don't use CA or US mirrors usually - London mains or Ireland usually | |
| <linuzo> the one I have now is unsupported but that's what I get for buying ECS motherboards | |
| <Madpilot> most desktop motherboard stuff seems to 'just work' - laptops seem to get the most hardware trouble | |
| <linuzo> Madpilot, yeah I know what you mean my motherboard works fine but when it boots it says unsupported agp-gart or whatever.. | |
| <Madpilot> agp-gart is a graphics card thing, I think | |
| <linuzo> yeah which is funny when I use pci-e | |
| <linuzo> haha I just figured out what it was.. | |
| <linuzo> stupid onboard video | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: So you know my server clock issue? | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, overspeed clock, yes? | |
| <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: under | |
| <tonyyarusso> way under | |
| <tonyyarusso> Anyway, it was getting worse, so I was leaning more towards hardware, but now it's been up 13 hours on Knoppix with no trouble yet, so I'm back to being confused. | |
| <Madpilot> ah. my Ubuntu system would gain time - about 45 seconds per hour, until I set up a good NTP link and it stopped being stupid | |
| <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, odd. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Mine is pretty drastic when it decides to happen. | |
| <tonyyarusso> As in, the clock moves 4 seconds per minute, so it loses something like 23 hours per day. | |
| <tonyyarusso> That's with an NTP daemon running. | |
| <Madpilot> wild | |
| <tonyyarusso> It really sucks. | |
| <tonyyarusso> Means the timestamps for my Open Week logs are totally bogus, it takes half an hour to reboot, and other such annoying stuff. | |
| <lophyte> jamonation: ping | |
| <lophyte> hehe | |
| * lophyte doubts anyone is up this early | |
| <lophyte> Burgundavia: ping when you're awake | |
| <lophyte> heya BluesKaj | |
| <BluesKaj> hi lophyte, just checking you guys out ...running kubuntu edgy | |
| <BluesKaj> looking at the website etc | |
| <lophyte> cool :) | |
| <BluesKaj> Im in a small town in northern Ontario , near Sudbury | |
| <BluesKaj> you ? | |
| <lophyte> Toronto here | |
| <BluesKaj> heh, shudda guesssed :) | |
| <lophyte> lol, how so? | |
| <BluesKaj> most "organized" linux users are in the large cities | |
| <lophyte> ahh | |
| <lophyte> well actually, only 5 or 6 of us in here are from Toronto | |
| <lophyte> we're pretty spread out.. some people from the maritimes, some from BC, Alberta.. | |
| <BluesKaj> coolness :) | |
| <lophyte> Quebec too :) | |
| <BluesKaj> oh , that other 'nation" :) | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| * lophyte smacks head | |
| <BluesKaj> just kidding, over 40% of the ppl in this town are francophones | |
| <lophyte> congratulations Mr. Harper, on getting the Canadian parliament to spend their time debating the definition of "nation" | |
| <lophyte> I swear he's trying to divert their attention while he's doing something behind their backs ;) | |
| <BluesKaj> yeah, it takes the focus away from the "real" issues | |
| <BluesKaj> But , I'm not a Liberal by any means either | |
| <BluesKaj> been thinking about mythtv , but i don't want a full fledged HT server ..just want to record tv and put it on a dvd for later viewing...any recommends ? | |
| <lophyte> I'm not sure, I've never done anything like that... | |
| <lophyte> planning to, though :) | |
| <BluesKaj> ok | |
| <BluesKaj> I hear it's abit overwhelming for noobs to install ..that's me :) | |
| <lophyte> mythtv? not so much on edgy | |
| <lophyte> not from what i've heard anyway | |
| <BluesKaj> I do have plenty of time on my hands , since I'm a retired guy, so I could prolly tackle it . | |
| <BluesKaj> there's a woman on #kubuntu (Dennister) who just installed it ...she a member of the Linuxcaffe. I'm surprised she's not in here ....seems quite knowledgeable | |
| <BluesKaj> hi Heterocephalus ....quite the handle there :) | |
| <lophyte> what | |
| <lophyte> why isn't she in here, lol | |
| <lophyte> you should invite her in... maybe she's not aware of this channel | |
| <BluesKaj> Is there another utility besides mythtv that will record a video signal ? | |
| <oqp> xawtv :) | |
| <oqp> also on the command line, you can use ffmpeg, mencoder and a few others. | |
| <oqp> look for video4linux (or v4l) applications. | |
| <lophyte> Burgundavia: ping? | |
| <lophyte> hey mylesbraithwaite | |
| <mylesbraithwaite> helllo | |
| <jamonation> -hey lophyte can you dig metalug.ca ? | |
| <oqp> BluesKaj see 10 lines above for an answer to your video signal question. | |
| <BluesKaj> oqp, looking at freevo | |
| <oqp> k, just wanted to make sure you "heard" me :) | |
| <jamonation> hey lophyte somfing is messed up with ubuntutoronto, it won't send mail or accept my password... reset please :)? | |
| <BluesKaj> oqp,, doesn't look good for freevo on edgy , check this out : http://pastebin.ca/267108 | |
| <oqp> I'm still running sarge (debian). | |
| <lophyte> jamonation: ubuntutoronto has always been messed in the mail department | |
| <jamonation> ah | |
| <jamonation> but i used to be able to login at least :) | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| <lophyte> password reset... | |
| <lophyte> you should know what it is ;) | |
| <tonyy> From bash.org: NovaScotia > yes.. us Canadians.. always quiet.. clean.. keep to ourselves.. never bother anyone... sounds like how they always describe serial killers eh? | |
| <lophyte> haha | |
| <tonyy> Heyyy, my name's shortened again. | |
| *** tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso | |
| <BluesKaj> hey tonyyarusso, yeah we canucks are always 'accused" of being so polite , but it's the yanks that just lack common courtesy and manners . :) | |
| <tonyyarusso> BluesKaj: Pretty much. | |
| <lophyte> try driving or walking around in downtown Toronto... Canadians are polite? :P | |
| <tonyyarusso> We have "Minnesota Nice", but the farther south you go the worse it gets, except for the Deep South fake hospitality that's "we'll be ridiculously kind and welcoming, well, as long as you're a white conservative christian" | |
| <lophyte> lol | |
| <BluesKaj> hehe, yeah i was just there visiting my daughter 2 weeks ago ... but i've encountered a lot more rude ppl staeside | |
| <BluesKaj> stateside | |
| <lophyte> I've never been to the states, so I don't really have a basis for comparison | |
| <BluesKaj> just hop over to Buffalo ..you'll see | |
| <lophyte> hey all :) | |
| * lophyte pokes jamonation | |
| * jamonation grunts | |
| <lophyte> hey _kjc | |
| <_kjc> hey | |
| <_kjc> lophyte: saw the minutes from last weeks meeting - looking forward to next week | |
| <lophyte> indeed :) | |
| <lophyte> its good that we've got the ball rolling on organizational issues | |
| <_kjc> how did your workshop go on Saturday? | |
| <_kjc> for sure | |
| <lophyte> nobody signed up, so it was downgraded to a discussion | |
| <lophyte> 3 or 4 people showed up so we just chatted | |
| <_kjc> cool | |
| <lophyte> are you subscribed to the ubuntu-ca mailing list? | |
| <_kjc> yes | |
| <lophyte> alright.. just making sure :) | |
| <davissean> hey | |
| <lophyte> hiya | |
| <davissean> how's it goin | |
| <davissean> i have an ubuntu question | |
| <lophyte> shoot | |
| <davissean> the "OK" or "cancel" or "APPLY" buttons are real dotty looking until i move my pointer over them | |
| <davissean> i can't figure out why | |
| <lophyte> try using a different theme? | |
| <davissean> and sometimes my system freezes | |
| <davissean> yeah i tried a different theme | |
| <lophyte> and still no luck? | |
| <davissean> i tried another new one, i'm gonna see how this works | |
| <davissean> i think it's ok now | |
| <davissean> do you know anything about thinkpads and how they work with ubuntu? | |
| <davissean> specifically the hd | |
| <lophyte> thinkpads are supposedly the best laptop you can get for Ubuntu | |
| <lophyte> that's what I've heard anyway :) | |
| <Burgwork> yes, they are | |
| <lophyte> oh hey Burgwork | |
| <lophyte> got a minute? | |
| <davissean> well, i tried erasing all of my 20 gigs on the hd and only 8.9 shows up | |
| <Burgwork> lophyte: sort of | |
| <lophyte> mind if I PM you? it won't take long | |
| <Burgwork> yep | |
| *** mcmahonm is now known as mcmahonm[A] | |
| <davissean> some sort of recovery partition or something..... | |
| <jamonation> davissean: it's the ibm way of not burning you a windows cd | |
| <jamonation> dell does the same, and have a diagnostic partition as well | |
| <oqp> 11 gigs sounds a little exagerated for a diagnostic partition. | |
| <jamonation> indeed | |
| <jamonation> cfdisk is your friend | |
| <oqp> you stole my line :) | |
| <jamonation> :p | |
| <jamonation> you could always go l33t and say fdisk | |
| <davissean> cfdisk? | |
| <jamonation> cfdisk is a nifty and almost universal *nix partitioning tool | |
| <davissean> so with it i can repartition the hard drive for ubuntu? | |
| <oqp> ncurses/console | |
| <Burgwork> gparted or qtparted can do it, in a graphical way | |
| <lophyte> davissean: yup. | |
| <Burgwork> and gparted is installed by default | |
| <Burgwork> however, the installer should just do it | |
| <jamonation> I think linhdd is a good graphical frontend to cfdisk | |
| <davissean> yeah i htought i was erasing the whole hd when i intalled | |
| <Burgwork> no, you are not | |
| <Burgwork> both the graphical and text-based installers can shrink partitions | |
| <davissean> ok so in other words, half my hd is still windows right now? | |
| <jamonation> sounds like it | |
| <davissean> and i need to look into the repositories for.....linhdd? | |
| <Burgwork> davissean: do you have ubuntu installed? | |
| <davissean> yes | |
| <Burgwork> which version? | |
| <davissean> 6.06 | |
| <Burgwork> system>admin>disks | |
| <Burgwork> how many partitions? | |
| <Burgwork> jamonation: one of the key things with Ubuntu is that mostly likely the user can fix their issue with already installed stuff, which is better than installing random stuff | |
| <davissean> partition 1, partition 3, swap partition, swap partition | |
| <Burgwork> what is partition 3? | |
| <davissean> ext3 | |
| <Burgwork> and 1? | |
| <davissean> also ext3 | |
| <jamonation> Burgwork: i know. | |
| <Burgwork> right, what no partition 2? | |
| <davissean> size: 9 gigs | |
| <davissean> no 2 | |
| <Burgwork> ok, this is odd | |
| <Burgwork> why do you have 2 swap partitions? | |
| <davissean> and it recognizes the whole hd as having 18.63 | |
| <Burgwork> instead of? | |
| <davissean> not real sure why... | |
| <Burgwork> how big should it be? | |
| <davissean> 20 | |
| <Burgwork> no, that is correct | |
| <Burgwork> what is sold as 20 is only 18 and change, 80 is only 74 and change | |
| <davissean> but i think it's just subtracting the swap partitions | |
| <davissean> ok | |
| <ryanakca> hmm... I presume that the torontonians know that "http://ubuntutoronto.org/projects" is "Page not found"? | |
| <Burgwork> davissean: so to boil it down: what is the primary issue again? | |
| <jamonation> ryanakca: we don't have any atm... lol | |
| <davissean> i have 4.72 free space on my drive | |
| <jamonation> thanks | |
| <lophyte> ryanakca: yup, we do :) | |
| <lophyte> ryanakca: the website is currently under discussion | |
| <Burgwork> davissean: and what should you have? | |
| <davissean> how much space is ubuntu supposed to take? | |
| <jamonation> lophyte: we do? | |
| <lophyte> jamonation: well, I do | |
| <Burgwork> davissean: around 3gig | |
| <Burgwork> can you pm me the results of 'mount' | |
| <jamonation> well plaster them on there! | |
| <davissean> ok i also installed a few extra programs | |
| <davissean> but no large files that i know of | |
| <davissean> partition 3 says it is 8.38, and it's full | |
| <Burgwork> right | |
| <davissean> how? | |
| <Burgwork> davissean: can you pm me the results for 'mount'? | |
| <davissean> how do i 'mount' ? | |
| <Burgwork> open a terminal and run that command | |
| <davissean> ok | |
| *** oqp is now known as relaxe |