<DarkMageZ> hello everyone
<Kamping_Kaiser> hey
<DarkMageZ> i'm outside getting a tan :)
* Kamping_Kaiser shudders ;)
<DarkMageZ> i dragged my entire system outside onto a table =D
<Davo_Dinkum> Why?
<Kamping_Kaiser> DarkMageZ, wish i had a network cable long enough :|
<elkbuntu> DarkMageZ, wtf? CRT tan wasnt enough?!
<DarkMageZ> lol
<rendhalver> DarkMageZ: you need a laptop and wifi dude
<Davo_Dinkum> Pretty cheap network cable here: http://vic.computerbank.org.au/Members/jan/surplusStore/view
<DarkMageZ> i have the money, but i don't wanna buy a cheap laptop
<Davo_Dinkum> Why?
<DarkMageZ> if i buy a laptop i want a proper one (think macbook pro)
<Davo_Dinkum> That's not a proper laptop, they use slimmer optical drives
* cafuego_ played with those and normal macbooks and actually preferred the kbd on the white macbooks
<DarkMageZ> :P
<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah how did you you like the keyboard?
<DarkMageZ> oh yeah, they did something funky with the macbook keyboards
<cafuego_> yeah, like raises pads or something
<cafuego_> probably gets dirty and breaks real quick
<cafuego_> but feels nice :-)
<Davo_Dinkum> Aren't there big spaces between the keys?
<cafuego_> not really
<cafuego_> or maybe there are, but my fingers are so large that it's an advantage
<Davo_Dinkum> Small spaces then?
<elkbuntu> hehe. my fingers are a fraction too short for my compaq's keyboard
<Davo_Dinkum> Spaces! >>> http://tinyurl.com/fgz4h
<elkbuntu> yeah well compaq just fills in the spaces with a slope
<hantu> moin guys!
<DarkMageZ> hey
<hantu> hrm im not able to come to the meeting tonight, :(
* DarkMageZ has his cpu running @ 66'c stable
<hantu> anyone going to osdc?
<hantu> mine's 53°C
<hantu> lappy.
<DarkMageZ> meh, we all miss the meeting every once and awhile
<DarkMageZ> 66'c desktop outside in the sun :)
<DarkMageZ> getting a tan =D
<hantu> woot.
<hantu> me wants a c2d for xmas :(
<Davo_Dinkum> c2d?
<hantu> core2duo
<hantu> anyway, got to run, tullamarine here i come.
<hantu> bbl.
<Davo_Dinkum> See ya.
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<Davo_Dinkum> What ports do I need to forward to get p2p apps working?
<DarkMageZ> depends on the p2p app
<DarkMageZ> in some p2p apps, you can change the required ports in the config
<cafuego_> CPU Temp: +27°C
<cafuego_> ph33r the amd64
<MatthewV> afternoon all
<Changlinn> afternoon
<MatthewV> where would i find an update now that wa has daylight saving? iirc there was an update during the commonwealth games
<MatthewV> hi Changlinn
<purserj> MatthewV: there isn't an official one yet
<MatthewV> purserj, an unofficial one? ;)
<purserj> hold on I'll get the bug number for you there has been some discussion on unofficial
<purserj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/72125
<MatthewV> thanks very much purserj
<MatthewV> oops!
<elkbuntu> wrong button?
<purserj> Somethings been going on with our exchange I think
<elkbuntu> sounds that way
<MatthewV> phew!
<MatthewV> i said thanks and purserj left ;)
<MatthewV> purserj, thanks :) all set now
<elkbuntu> um... i believe i just flicked the wrong switch...
<cef> hahaha.. flicking the wrong switch is easy
<elkbuntu> cef, it was a powerpoint where i couldnt see what was connected to what... i chose the switch furthest from the computers... and failed
* cafuego_ explains to elkbuntu the joys of labels
<elkbuntu> cafuego, everything's labelled, but the labels are hiding
<cafuego_> Tssk.
<cafuego_> OH&S department very unhappy
<elkbuntu> did i mention i had to reach through a pile of mess?
<cafuego_> even unhappier!
<elkbuntu> :)
<elkbuntu> hmm.. that turning off seems to have messed my monitor :(
<hysterio> elkbuntu: crt or lcd?
<elkbuntu> crt
<hysterio> may need to be degaussed
<elkbuntu> done
<hysterio> what is it doing wrong?
<elkbuntu> flickering down the left side
<elkbuntu> mostly towards the bottom left corner
<hysterio> maybe you bumped the cable slightly?
<elkbuntu> i wasnt anywhere near the cable
* hysterio has seen weirdness ensue with a slightly unseated monitor connector
<hysterio> other than that *shrugs*
<elkbuntu> just re-checked all that. nothing out of place
<elkbuntu> it's a crappy philips monitor, approaching 2 years
<elkbuntu> quite possible it might decide to start having quirks
<hysterio> ya
<hysterio> time for an lcd maybe? ;)
<hysterio> unless you care about colour representation
<elkbuntu> i noticed a tiny bit of a flicker yesterday, so the turning off might have just been the next phase
<elkbuntu> im starting to consider it...
<hysterio> i picked up a dell 20" lcd the other day for kinda cheap ($650 delivered) -- they always have them on sale
<elkbuntu> http://dseau.resultspage.com/search.php?sessionid=4573a51b02b372fa2740c0a87f9c0752&site=&w=monitor&I1.x=0&I1.y=0&I1=Go
<elkbuntu> ♥ dse
<hysterio> :)
<hysterio> one thing to watch with the 19" is the resolution - most of them are the same res as 17" (1280x1024)
<elkbuntu> i'd happily settle for that 17inch
<hysterio> yeah - I had a samsung one that was pretty good - but try to check out the monitor(s) first before you buy, cause some panels are woeful
<elkbuntu> samsung do a good monitor, always have
<cef> particularly the refresh
* cafuego_ has a really cheap Chimei 17" widescreen
<cafuego_> love it
<cafuego_> 19" widescreen actually i think
<nrdb> I have setup wvdial on my computer, I might need to be able to dial out via a phone on an office pabx, to get a line out on the pabx you need to enter a '0' first, if I change the phone number in the wvdial.conf to have a '0' first would this work ? do I need to put a pause in the dialing and how do this ?
<purserj> putting a 0 in first should do the trick. I don't know if you'll need a pause
<nrdb> purserj: thanks, can a pause be put in?
<purserj> I'm not sure
<hysterio> from the looks of it, you can add a pause with a comma
<hysterio> ie 0,9xxxxxxx
<nrdb> hysterio: thanks, I am looking in the man page for wvdial.conf, where did you find out about the comma ?
<hysterio> google ;)
<cafuego_> nrdb: 's legacy way of doing it, even since msdos days
<cafuego_> add more commas for longer pause
<nrdb> cafuego_: found another (with google) it looks like I can also something like 0Wxxxxxxxx the 'W' causes the modem to wait for another dial tome.
<hysterio> the comma is from the hayes AT commandset
<DarkMageZ> why is someone playing with a modem?
<DarkMageZ> a dial-up modem *
<nrdb> so is the W there appear to quite a few different characters to modify the way the dialing is done.
<cafuego_> nrdb: doesn't help readability as much as a comma, though
<nrdb> DarkMageZ: I am to test the that the broadband ADSL modem firewall is working how I want.
<hysterio> well the comma will wait a specific amount of time - the W from the sounds of it waits till it hears a dialtone
<nrdb> cafuego_: no, but it will only pause long enough to the dial tone to appear and not just a set time
<nrdb> snap
<hysterio> ;)
<hysterio> but, does the pabx present a dialtone when you pickup, or only after 0 is pressed?
* cafuego_ has a broken modem that can't detect a dialtone ;-)
<cafuego_> hysterio: different tones usually, DIAL tone only after a0.
<nrdb> been getting an OpenVPN working, having to get the connection though 1 NAT and 2 firewalls was an aventure in frustration.
<hysterio> depends on how the dial rules etc have been setup
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<nrdb> in the latest Silicon Chip they show some details on a 2321cm blimp mounted TV
<hysterio> for instance the siemens were I am atm presents a dial tone when you pickup the handset, but you still need to prepend a 0 (because of how the LCRs etc are setup)
<nrdb> hysterio: LCRs ?
<hysterio> least cost routes
<hysterio> but you should be ok with the 0Wxxxxx - if not, try a comma ;)
<nrdb> hysterio: yep.
<nrdb> maybe the info about the comma and 'W' should be in the wvdial.conf man page.
<cafuego_> nrdb: yup
<Hit3k> are the *-look.org sites down for anyone else
<DarkMageZ> Hit3k, gnome-look.org appears to be down
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<rendhalver> Hit3k: kde-look.org is down for me
<rendhalver> Hit3k: but the rss feed still seems to be working
<Hit3k> yeah
<Hit3k> its only the http
<rendhalver> i would have assumed the rss feed would go through their http server
<Hit3k> maybe
<rendhalver> the kde-look.org server still seems to be up (ie i can ping it)
<rendhalver> weird
<noiesmo> siccness, hey how was you project management test :)
<Changlinn> anyone know if swat can be used with another user other than root?
<cafuego_> Changlinn: as long a sit can write to config files and restart services it shouldn't be a problem
<rendhalver> ChanServ: that user would need access to the conf files
<Changlinn> so no then...
<Changlinn> cause default ubuntu setup ain't like that...
<Changlinn> I guess I could give a group ownership of the files... ah stuff it root it is
<Changlinn> hrmm but a user will be logging in to do stuff
<Changlinn> hrmm don't know if swat does what I want anyway, need it to be able to to let them add shares and add users
<Changlinn> any suggestions?
<cafuego_> well
<cafuego_> webmin?
<cafuego_> is it a lan box only?
<Changlinn> yeah but isn't it majorly deprecated
<praetorian> nah
<Changlinn> yep lan only, no external routes
<cafuego_> works fine on a box I set up for a client
<Changlinn> ok, I'll give it a try
<cafuego_> they have a spcial group with suer admin/samba admin access
<Changlinn> hrmm nice
<Changlinn> now how to I re-disable root
<cafuego_> (and pptp)
<cafuego_> passwd -l or somesuch
<Changlinn> cool thanks, not something I have ever done before
<cafuego_> specifically, 'passwd -l root'
<cafuego_> with a sudo thrown in
<Changlinn> heh was already logged in as root to set the password in the 1st place...
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<pschulz01> Ping?
<Changlinn> cafuego_: webmin looks a lot better than the last time I looked at it...
<cafuego_> <heh>
<cafuego_> it's still evil
<cafuego_> but less evil than having to drive and do stuff on-site
<Changlinn> heh, well these guys are developers, so I trust them enough to add users and shares... no further
<Changlinn> for everything else there is ssh
<pschulz01> Are people here happy for me to add an agenda item: Ubuntu and Parliamentary Speeches
<elkbuntu> sure
<pschulz01> elkbuntu: :-) I'm about to post the speech in the wiki..
<elkbuntu> cool. we really need to improve our documentation of speeches et al
<pschulz01> elkbuntu: I have put a link on the Agenda page.
<elkbuntu> ok cool
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<Hit3k> mm subway
<merlin-linux> evenin all
<Hit3k> evening
<merlin-linux> whats been happening
* Hit3k shrugs
<Hit3k> just got here myself
<pschulz01> Evening!
<merlin-linux> pschulz01: hiya mate, whats been happening?
<pschulz01> merlin-linux: I had an afternoon off..
<merlin-linux> nice :-)
<Hit3k> mm last exams tomorrow!
<pschulz01> Hit3k: What?
<Hit3k> i have my last exams tomorrow
* ThePizzaKing wishes Hit3k the best of luck for the exams
<Hit3k> eh bible and industrial technology
<pschulz01> Hit3k: Huh?
<pschulz01> Hit3k: How does that work.. oh. two exams
<Hit3k> durrrrrr
<pschulz01> Hit3k: "Blessed are the Cheesemakers"
<DarkMageZ> Hit3k, you have exams about the bible?
<DarkMageZ> Hit3k, is your school one of those little religious schools?
<purserj> who's on motu?
<ajmitch> purserj: eh?
<purserj> I'm just wondering who I get to put a rocket up on the WA daylight savings bug
<praetorian> heh
<praetorian> someone in wa on motu
<praetorian> ;p
<ajmitch> why do you assume the MOTU would have anything to do with it?
<purserj> Because the way Ubuntu handles package maintainership is somewhat byzantine to mine eyes and motu sounded like it was the most obvious choice
<pschulz01> purserj: Do you have a bug number?
<purserj> yup
<purserj> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/72125
<pschulz01> purserj: It is a core package bug.. probably glibc
<purserj> nope
<pschulz01> purserj: You found the package :-)
<purserj> apparantly locale data isn't in glibc
<purserj> its in tzdata
<ajmitch> no, but it is in main
<ajmitch> so motu still have nothing to do with it :)
<purserj> Well the question is still there, who gets the rocket?
<ajmitch> harassing people won't speed it up
<pschulz01> purserj: I want to find out who is the Beaurocrat^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M who is responsible for this type of information in SA as well.
<purserj> ajmitch: well considering they've already started daylight savings in WA and no patch, its not looking so good
<pschulz01> purserj: The Debian folk get the information from the GNU people who get it from the maillist that messages get sent to from time to time.
<pschulz01> (details are in the config file in the tzdata package.)
<purserj> so is the Ubuntu package essentially a repackaged debian package?
<ajmitch> purserj: the bug is assigned to a developer, it's known
* purserj drops it and continues to wait
<klepas> purserj: seems to be all in order btw now with LA :)
<pschulz01> purserj: As a Loco we need to get in touch with which ever state departments look after this, and get the information from them..
<pschulz01> purserj: Can anyone think of any other 'LoCo' information that we should be tracking down, other than timezone/daylight savings?
<shenki> fyi, here's the bug from earlier this year when the commonwealth games related timezone changes happened: https://launchpad.net/bugs/29768
<pschulz01> I would love to be more proactive on this, as its something that South Australia suffered from as well at the beginning of the year. I know that organisations had additional overtime expenses (not to mention people having to spend extra time working) because Daylight saving was shifted with only 4 weeks notice.
<shenki> and here's the packages: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/glibc-tzupdate/
<pschulz01> purserj: do you mind if I add this as an agenda item?
<Kamping_Kaiser> i fucking did it!!!!
* klepas fumbles
<Kamping_Kaiser> i passed cert3, and rpled cert2
<klepas> !language
<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
<klepas> aha!
<Kamping_Kaiser> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
<Kamping_Kaiser> cram your language :)
<klepas> haha
<klepas> so what's up Kamping_Kaiser ?
<klepas> oh
<klepas> stupid me
<klepas> bloody getting blind
<klepas> nice work
<Kamping_Kaiser> lol
* Kamping_Kaiser partys
<elkbuntu> yay... and you made it back in time for the meeting?
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, pretty much.
<Kamping_Kaiser> <3
<pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: That's going straight to the pool room.
<elkbuntu> w00t
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> lets meet :)
<bimberi> yay Kamping_Kaiser!!
* Kamping_Kaiser is a bit high still. only cert 3, but still
<hysterio> congrats Kamping_Kaiser :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> like they way they foot the cost of me RPLing cert 2 - 12 months work in 6, for 5 minutes of chat with my lecturer aabout rpl
<Kamping_Kaiser> hysterio, :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, how long till the meeting actually starts?
<elkbuntu> as soon as i find tihs link for a friend so he stfu
<Kamping_Kaiser> :D
<MotherLUG> Kamping_Kaiser, CONGRATULATIONS DUDE. WELL DONE :D
* Kamping_Kaiser hugs MotherLUG :D
<elkbuntu> mmmkay... lets put this show on the road
<elkbuntu> meeting opened.. now where's that agenda
<bimberi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings
<elkbuntu> bimberi, im well aware, just trying to find which tab it's opened in
<elkbuntu> hehehe
<bimberi> elkbuntu: for others as well :)
<elkbuntu> good point
* Kamping_Kaiser :)
<elkbuntu> now, first up, barcamp people. How are the plans for BarCamp coming along? Where are there confirmed camps? How can people help?
* pschulz01 expects lucychili and merlin-linux to be able to say somethings about South Australian plans..
<Kamping_Kaiser> ^^
<Kamping_Kaiser> if not i'll have to look in my inbox ;)
* pschulz01 has poked lucychili
<elkbuntu> pschulz01, was just typing out a ping...thanks
<lucychili> melbourne and adelaide
<lucychili> it would be nice to have more
<lucychili> the melb and adelaide ones are on the same days
<lucychili> so we can irc or sttream etc
<lucychili> http://barcamp.org
<lucychili> melbourne has a good list of things they want for sponsorshii[
<lucychili> adelaide could do with the same things but smaller number possibnly 60 people
<lucychili> adelaide also will be looking for bandwidth
<lucychili> and ive just emailed melbourne to see if they have bw or not
<lucychili> if there is a need nationally there might be a way to ask for that as a national sponsor thing
<lucychili> more folks welcome =))
<lucychili> http://barcamp.org/BarCampAdelaide
<lucychili> http://barcamp.org/BarCampMelbourne
<lucychili> its a wiki
<lucychili> so make your own
<lucychili> http://barcamp.org/BarCampMelbourne2007Sponsorship
<lucychili> this is a good idea of things to aim for
<lucychili> the idea is to make the camps as free to attend as possible by everyone contributing something
<lucychili> http://southernvaleslug.org/barcamp/
<lucychili> photos of our hall near a caravan park and beach
<pschulz01> lucychili: Looks like there is BarCampSydney as well.. http://barcamp.org/BarCampSydney2007Signup
<lucychili> w00t!
<lucychili> would be great to have a batch of them
<elkbuntu> :)
<lucychili> im done
<lucychili> =)
<elkbuntu> anyone else have anything to add?
<elkbuntu> nope? ok then, next item
<elkbuntu> Ubuntu and Parliamentary Speeches
<elkbuntu> pschulz01, we'll do this one now so brainstorming can go for LCA as long as we like
<pschulz01> elkbuntu: Ta..
* elkbuntu raises her eyebrow at her own sentance..
<elkbuntu> stupid dying monitor :(
* Kamping_Kaiser wodners whats wrong with the sentence
<pschulz01> I would like comments on what people think of the speech. It looks like it is going to be read on Wednesday.
<lucychili> do they have the cds?
* Kamping_Kaiser sent his comment to the list.
<elkbuntu> i think it's good :)
<pschulz01> Yes.. they are handing out Dapper CD's to the other Parlimentary members.
* bimberi did too (post to the list) - "I reckon the speech is great"
<pschulz01> The couple of corrections have been noted..
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<bimberi> the incorporation of my suggested change has been noted :)
<pschulz01> There was some interesting responses received via the LinuxSA list ...
<pschulz01> .. but I think it's a good start.
<yama> It could be a good speech with those corrections, although I have severe reservations about aligning myself with such a party.
* Kamping_Kaiser is reading lsa atm for the thread
<yama> not all publicity is good publicity :(
<elkbuntu> i'd like to point out that we should be doing more documenting of this sort of stuff on the wiki
<pschulz01> Can I say that I don't think it is an alignment thing.. Ubuntu is what Ubuntu is.
<pschulz01> .. and we need to get everyone to understand that.
<lucychili> if someone approaches you and says that they want to promote free software, that they are installing it in their church what is the correct response?
<lucychili> i think if folks want to be seen to be balanced be proactive with another group
<pschulz01> (deep breath)
<lucychili> as well
<yama> lucychili: that is different. Religious orgs can be very compatible with our cause.
<lucychili> this is a hybrid org
<lucychili> and i still think even with a church that it is useful to be proactive to a range of groups
<lucychili> i think its nice they approached us
<bimberi> yama: what do you feel is the best course of action then?
<lucychili> if they make a speech then its liekly other groups will be asking questions
<yama> it's a political party promoting a religious agenda at the expense of other groups
<lucychili> yama personally i agree
<lucychili> but i am about foss
<yama> bimberi: I am not sure, but I am just bringing it up as a topic for debate
<lucychili> and i think being proactive is all i can do
<bimberi> heh
<lucychili> its a fair debate
<lucychili> its one ive had about my own efforts
<pschulz01> We need to get out there and amonst it more. I know that Ubuntu can stand up on its merits, thanks to all of the effort that everyone in the community puts in.
<lucychili> nods
<elkbuntu> do we want to put political alignment down for a later agenda item to get some list opinion as well?
<pschulz01> One comment that we got back was pure FUD.
<Kamping_Kaiser> the group shouldnt be politically aligned
<lucychili> i doubt that political alignment is something that au ubuntu can sort independently
* elkbuntu hands pschulz01 a fudfilter
<Kamping_Kaiser> but it shouldnt block political people from talking about it
<pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: I agree..
<lucychili> its probably something canonicalish
* hysterio agrees with Kamping Kaiser
<lucychili> nods
<elkbuntu> yama, as for religion, i have to point towards ichytux or however it's spelled.
<elkbuntu> we're already knee-deep in it
<yama> it's a prickly topic, I know. I am not at this time advocating any particular course of action.
<lucychili> i think that because free software is now becoming a legal issue
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, ichytux?
<lucychili> and not just a technology issue
<pschulz01> I strongly feel that Ubuntu is 'a-political', and 'a-religious'. The licence says that there are no restrictions on who can use it or what they can use it for.
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, basically christian kubuntu
<lucychili> it is important that we are able to participate fully even with political folks
<Kamping_Kaiser> oh right.
<yama> for the record, I was the first or second person to back that Christian children's camp on the linux-aus list. I am not anti-religion by any means
<Kamping_Kaiser> another varient
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, it's officially recognised, christian ubuntu is a trickier issue
<lucychili> the 0123 freedoms arent picky
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, *shrug*, 'im not going there, or i';m just going to be distracted :)
<elkbuntu> hehe
<Kamping_Kaiser> after all, we arnt talking about them atm, but -au
<pschulz01> If someone wants to 'tar' Ubuntu with the brush of the messenger than they are bringing bigger problems onto themselves.
<elkbuntu> lets move past this point, shall we?
<yama> Christian Ubuntu is fine. My concern is that we are associating ourselves with a group that has (in some people's eyes) extremist and discriminatory viewpoints
<pschulz01> elkbuntu: Ta..
<pschulz01> elkbuntu: Finished.
<Kamping_Kaiser> yama, if we avoid extremest views we have all of 4 people left in australia to talk to
<lucychili> yama the greens are interested and need information
<Kamping_Kaiser> (exageration)
<bimberi> I guess the issue is that the all-important first contact/awareness of Ubuntu will be via this messenger and I get the impression that there could be better messengers
<yama> as the saying goes, 'first impressions last'
<bimberi> yep
<hysterio> hmmm...
* Kamping_Kaiser isnt sure theres anyone in sa parliament who isnt a bad impression... or am i wrong?
<lucychili> yama so make some
<yama> anyway, we can move onto the next topic. I dont want to hijack the meeting
<elkbuntu> OK! LCA! Who is going? Should we organise something (imho yes) and if so, what? - MelissaDraper (elkbuntu)
<pschulz01> +1
<bimberi> lol @ Kamping_Kaiser
<yama> lucychili: I do what I can :)
* bimberi is going (Wed, Thu, Fri)
<elkbuntu> i dont think we need to vote on the 'do we do something'
* yama raises his hand for LCA
<Kamping_Kaiser> i'm at lca for the full week
<Kamping_Kaiser> booked and soon to be paid
* pschulz01 has some food waiting.. but will be involved in anything..
<bimberi> elkbuntu: agreed
<elkbuntu> i'd be whopping anyone who didn't want to do something
<Kamping_Kaiser> i dont want to do anything
<Kamping_Kaiser> :P
<yama> OMG, we sooo need to do something!
<realist> Evening :-)
<elkbuntu> ok, lets figure what we're going to do. im hoping on a booth
* bimberi sits back to view the whopping
<Kamping_Kaiser> hey realist
<pschulz01> group photo
<elkbuntu> i've been putting off emailing pia and the canonical people until we discuss here
<elkbuntu> pschulz01, hell yes
<Kamping_Kaiser> pub? works for us in sa ;)
* hysterio agrees with Kamping_Kaiser :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<elkbuntu> what i would ideally like to do is have goodie bags to hand out to victims who show interest
<elkbuntu> goodie bag should include: cd, stickers, info
<Kamping_Kaiser> i'm cool with catching up at lca, but i'm not into mass promotions
<realist> what's happening?
<realist> I wont be able to attend
<elkbuntu> we will be able to do specific kubuntu bags too, so w00t
<Kamping_Kaiser> (very much 'on a personal level')
<bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: it's a stand at the open day (if i've got it right)
<realist> Unless someone gets some podcasts etc, happening
<elkbuntu> bimberi, yep, iirc
<Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, i'll drop by and see it :)
<hysterio> excellent - i might actually be able to make it that day...
<realist> Will be in .za during Jan
<bimberi> I think the open day and a get-together are separate things. The get-together should preceed.
<yama> I'm going to a volunteer for the whole week, but I'll be busy with non-ubuntu things
<elkbuntu> im there'll be a soapbox somewhere to scream from or something, but that's unknown as of yet
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, whats the first 4 words meant to be/mean?
<elkbuntu> if we can have a demo, it would be unreal
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, add a 'hoping'
<Kamping_Kaiser> aah ok
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, my monitor is dying in a flickery way, it's messing with my mind
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, :S get a new one, we need your mind
<bimberi> :)
<realist> I figure most people at LCA would already be aware of Ubuntu's existence...
<yama> remember, LCA will be full of FLOSS people. An Ubuntu booth would be like preaching to the choir
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, it only started dying today, mum's going to try aquire a loaner tomorrow
<realist> yama: precisely ;-)
<bimberi> yama: The Open Day
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<yama> bimberi: you beat me to it :)
<yama> but the open day is only Thursday
<elkbuntu> the open day is more than just floss people
<elkbuntu> yama, yeah...?
<bimberi> yama: phew, i don't want to man a booth for the whole week ;P
<yama> that's right. The Open Day would be great.
<elkbuntu> we'll be there to make general noise for the whole week
<yama> remember, we're all friends there :)
<yama> I don't want to see any fights with the SuSE guys :)
<hysterio> lol
<Kamping_Kaiser> :(
<realist> yama: I do! Take photos!
<elkbuntu> hopefully, jono will be able to stop by for a bit as well
<bimberi> ha!
<elkbuntu> so you'll all get to meet him in person and harass him about jokosher and the bottle dance
<bimberi> hehe, he'll be roundly sick of it by then
<hysterio> so are we going to have a gathering in addition to the booth or ??
<realist> elkbuntu: Do I really want to know what "the bottle dance" is?
<yama> I still have no idea what this 'bottle dance' is...
<Kamping_Kaiser> hysterio, yes
<realist> yama: me either, not that I've investigated it
<Kamping_Kaiser> if they wont, we can :)
<elkbuntu> he was dancing with a bottle on the monday night at a dance club in Mountain View
<bimberi> i think it's simply dancing with beer in hand
<elkbuntu> joey stanford decided to annoint the dance with a name and blog about it, jono decided to deny it's existance, so we found proof
<realist> Never met the guy, but I like him already :-)
<elkbuntu> he's awesome
* ajmitch regrets not getting to LCA next year
<bimberi> seems like a good idea to avoid spiking
* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if jono is a bit OT atm
<bimberi> ajmitch: oh no!
<realist> ajmitch: ditto, but what can ya do?
<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, go in 08 ;)
<realist> Kamping_Kaiser: am trying to organise debconf in '08
<ajmitch> more a case of getting time off work
<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, already?
<bimberi> :(
<elkbuntu> there'll be a few other cool ubuntu people at lca, and iirc, scott james remnant will be there, so yeah, looking to be good fun
<realist> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, making my bid a little too late actually
<realist> so might have to aim for '09 instead...
<Kamping_Kaiser> :\
<bimberi> ajmitch: Right, what's the boss's number? :P
<ajmitch> heh
<elkbuntu> anyway, what else can you lot think for LCA?
<elkbuntu> im looking at having some 1" ubuntu buttons made too, fyi
<realist> elkbuntu: get some momentum for next year's SFD?
<bimberi> pub, prefer Wednesday night (because I'll be there and it's before the open day)
<elkbuntu> realist, gah, lets get through LCA first
<hysterio> bimberi: sounds like a winner
<elkbuntu> yep, sounds good
<Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, your a thinker :)
<realist> I'd personally like to see some podcasts!
<bimberi> at 5pm so people moving on to the "Professional Delegates Networking Session" (not me) can make it
<elkbuntu> realist, we'll try :)
<realist> If not, some group photos!
<bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: lol .. /lastlog pub
<elkbuntu> realist, i'll be incredibly annoyed if we do not get some of those
<bimberi> (2nd entry) :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, ;)
<elkbuntu> howdy TheMuso. you got any ideas for LCA?
<realist> Will the meet and greet have an agenda?
<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, beer, chips, pictures
<realist> Cool, strictly social, so to speak?
<Kamping_Kaiser> (i )hope so
<elkbuntu> mostly yeah
<realist> Any chance of meetings on an 'official' capacity happening?
<elkbuntu> you cannot stop geeks talking geek
<bimberi> yep
<realist> If so, hope someone takes minutes ;p
<elkbuntu> lol
<realist> Even if it's on a napkin.. heh
<elkbuntu> ok, are we done?
<realist> Don't want any great ideas slipping through the cracks
<hysterio> done
<elkbuntu> anyone want to keep going?
<elkbuntu> ok then, meeting closed. thanks all!
* ajmitch is quite done
* Kamping_Kaiser returns
<rendhalver> crap here was me thinking it was 8pm and forgetting daylight savings time
<elkbuntu> rendhalver, you can always comment once the summary hits the list
<rendhalver> or just read my logs here :)
<elkbuntu> depends if you want your opinions recorded i suppose
<rendhalver> i shall comment if i have anything to add
<elkbuntu> yes, however, minutes of the meeting are for the duration of the meeting. only.
<realist> I wonder if I'll ever upgrade to eft
<rendhalver> elkbuntu: was anything else discussed that wasnt listed in the meeting reminder email?
<elkbuntu> rendhalver, a bit of political debate
<realist> Anyone tell me where the upgrade guide is at?
<rendhalver> elkbuntu: i figured there might be
<elkbuntu> realist, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
* Kamping_Kaiser remarks on high living edgy users :)
<realist> "high living"?
<realist> Strange that the upgrade docs aren't part of the installation instructions
<elkbuntu> realist, Kamping_Kaiser uses gNewSense
<Kamping_Kaiser> (dapper based)
<realist> Still doesn't make more sense of their comment for me :-)
<realist> I'm out of the loop on that one.
<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, for the first time, i'm not on the newest ubuntu release, so now i'm giving people stick for being on newer versions then me :)
<elkbuntu> gNewSense is based on dapper, which means it doesnt have Edgy crack
<realist> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm still waiting for Debian Etch... hopefully in time for Christmas ;p
<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, your going to be disapointed :O
* Kamping_Kaiser is reminded he needs to burn off an etch install cd
<elkbuntu> i sure hope he's joking...
<Kamping_Kaiser> (for zie alpha und zie sparken)
<elkbuntu> realist, you mean next year's christmas, right?
<adhoc> damn i had my hopes up there for a bit =/
* Kamping_Kaiser slaps debain for being wannabe ubuntus and trying to time release not 'when its ready' release
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, debian still say it will come out this december, but i doubt (hope) not
<adhoc> oh
<Kamping_Kaiser> nto with dunk-bank around :)
<realist> Kamping_Kaiser: I have a 'feeling' it'll be postponed
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<adhoc> nah, they'll just have a bug squashing week, like they did for sarge =)
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, seen this? http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/
<realist> Feels like I've been using sarge for years
<adhoc> realist: you have
<Kamping_Kaiser> oh, its been updated
<Kamping_Kaiser> new news post
<realist> Only 1.5 years
* Kamping_Kaiser has used it (on and off) for years
<hysterio> Kamping_Kaiser: lol@dunc-bank
<Kamping_Kaiser> hysterio, ;)
<adhoc> theres something fundamentally wrong about that, but i'm not sure what it is...
<Kamping_Kaiser> http://sam.zoy.org/blog/2006-12-04-the-etch-release-lol-stress-o-meter
<Kamping_Kaiser> http://sam.zoy.org/blog/2006-11-30-the-etch-release-stress-o-meter
<realist> Kamping_Kaiser: I've been using Debian since... slink iirc
<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, thats nice dear
<Kamping_Kaiser> how long is that :P
<adhoc> realist: which version was that?
<realist> no idea, 2.0 kernel
<adhoc> so, late debian 1.x ?
* adhoc started on 1.2, IIRR
<realist> don't know what the version numbers were back that far
<Hit3k> need to get the 2.6.18 kernel onto this install
<Hit3k> but I guess I'll do it tomorrow
<realist> heh, well I'll be... been tracking debian since before slink, and hamm
<realist> adhoc: around same version as yourself
<adhoc> hey, damn its 9pm already
<adhoc> where did my day go!??!
<adhoc> realist: ah ok =)
<realist> You're SA?
<adhoc> i started using the MCC distro with kernel 0.99pl8
<realist> Time really does fly, never thought I'd be using Linux 10+ years :-)
<realist> Wow, you're old school ;p
* Kamping_Kaiser wishes debian would name their iso's inteligently
<Kamping_Kaiser> instead of 'mini.iso' perhaps 'gkt-mini-iso.iso' or 'netboot-mini-iso.iso
<realist> There's more than one 'mini' image?
<Kamping_Kaiser> er... yeh :O
<Kamping_Kaiser> well, there is on nodes mirrors
<adhoc> that reminds me
<adhoc> is it worth grabbing a debmirror of sarge?
<Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
<adhoc> or should i start mirroring etch now instead?
<Kamping_Kaiser> i doubt it tbh. unless your espeically attached to it
<Kamping_Kaiser> grrr!
<Kamping_Kaiser> i just realised i'm downloading the mini for the wrong arch
<adhoc> i'm still running sarge on the *disk) server
<adhoc> =O
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: you dl;ing at hte hut?
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have an account on galactica?
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, no, at home. i figure 10mb is small enough i can handle it
<Kamping_Kaiser> unsure.
<Kamping_Kaiser> http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian/dists/etch/main/ doesnt have alpha :(
<adhoc> you can ssh in and DL stuff from internodes mirror if you need to
* Kamping_Kaiser wonders what to do
<adhoc> i can mirror it at work...
<adhoc> i have free access to mirror.aarnet
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, ta. between itshare+hut i should be more or less covered :)
<realist> Kamping_Kaiser: does internode peer with any other ISP?
<adhoc> ok cool
* Kamping_Kaiser has to setup itshares gateway...hm.
<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, not afaik.
<adhoc> realist: yes, they peer at SAIX
<Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
<realist> Hrmmm, and wouldnt SAIX peer with aarnet?
<adhoc> but they do not let each others customers peer with their FTP/Mirror servers =(
<adhoc> realist: no, i don't think so, but internode peer with UofA, and UofA are on aarnet
<realist> Ahh nuts, iinet have some pretty good peering policies.
<adhoc> but the data is still charged to the customer
<elkbuntu> greebo!
<adhoc> realist: but i uncharged access to mirror.aarnet so ....
<realist> adhoc: neat :-)
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, can you find an alpha install cd on nodes mirrors? i cant seem to.
* Kamping_Kaiser might have to ssh to hut+wget
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: that reminds me
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: i have a full sarge mirror for alpha on my dekstop at work
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, i have an out of date mirror for etch at itshare. out of date is the kicker :\
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: i don't think that node carries alpha at all =(
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, :( they must only have the diffs
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: and m68k
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: and sparc
* Kamping_Kaiser notices no sparc[32,64] either
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: and s390
<Kamping_Kaiser> ^^ :(
<Kamping_Kaiser> *darn* you internode.
<adhoc> its only 30GB
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: "consumers" only have i386 and amd64
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, yes, but i'm not a consumer :(
<adhoc> me neither
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: thats why i have 30GB of wyrd architectures mirror of debian sarge!
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc,lol. i dunno how complete my mirror is. i'd have to get my laptop from itshare to check :)
<adhoc> your lappy sick or summat?
<Kamping_Kaiser> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/ <- is that all debian supports ? :(
<Kamping_Kaiser> what happened to sparc64?
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: Download all files that we need to get (19956 MiB).
<Kamping_Kaiser> lol
<adhoc> things have been updated recently!
<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, no, its running the debmirror command ;)
<adhoc> oh
<adhoc> maybe my mirror just isn't complete?
* Kamping_Kaiser shrug
* Kamping_Kaiser is still worrying about only 1 sort of sparc listed for download
<realist> hasn't there always been one sparc image?
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: aahh .. this is etch i am mirroring
<adhoc> its new stuff in it, not in sarge
<adhoc> realist: yes
<adhoc> realist: it runs 32bit apps even on a 64 bit machine
<adhoc> its what solaris does too
<realist> adhoc: yes, it's frustrating x86 junk is so popular these days
* Kamping_Kaiser wondesr if debian or solaris would be better on the sparcs
<realist> I like solawis :-)
<siccness> hey
<adhoc> debian is good, thats what i'm running here on ultra sparc 5 and sparc station 5
<siccness> noiesmo: proj management test was ok
<siccness> i am hammrd tho
<adhoc> =D so you went ok?
<siccness> yup
<adhoc> good =)
<siccness> i got 84% on the previous exam
<siccness> 88% on pc support
<Kamping_Kaiser> nice work siccness , your done now?
<siccness> yup
<siccness> i went o pub
<Kamping_Kaiser> :D you rock
<siccness> 9 jugs
<siccness> nerly new record
<siccness> foath i rock
<siccness> <--genisus
<siccness> *genius
<Kamping_Kaiser> back in 5
<siccness> 2 easy
<adhoc> siccness: so all these high marks ...
<adhoc> siccness: you fooling us with the VB drinking commodore driving bumb image huh?
<Kamping_Kaiser> *god damn* exhaust is toxic stuff
<siccness> adhoc: im a relatively intellgent person
<siccness> (no cocky)
<siccness> :)
<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: full marks there ;)
<adhoc> siccness: =)
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<realist> 9 jugs... that'd be more than a slab... and you're still standing? ;p
<adhoc> realist: um ... i wouldn't know what 9 jugs of beer would taste like at the end
<siccness> realist: yea
<realist> Depends how long it takes to drink
<siccness> 6hrs
<realist> Not too bad
<siccness> no reord ut
<siccness> *but
<realist> 6 pots an hour... good average though ;-)
<siccness> nah
<siccness> shithouse really
<realist> Nah, it's comfortable though
<siccness> <--wont be happy til record broken
<realist> Good solid pace, no way I could keep up these days ;p
<realist> I wont ever break my PB
<realist> heh
<siccness> whats urs?
<realist> 2 bottles of Rum, in one night
<adhoc> yuck
<siccness> ^
<realist> < 6 hours :-)
<siccness> <--27 stubs. vb in 4-5hrs
<adhoc> hi Hobbsee
<realist> siccness: ouch, had a flatmate who'd do that comfortably, but he was about 6'3-4 and ~130kg
<siccness> <-6foot 90kg
<realist> sounds about ideal BMI
<siccness> bmi?
<adhoc> realist: thats about my size
<adhoc> body mass index
<siccness> bullshit
<adhoc> the measure of fat barstard or not
<siccness> get a weijtlifer to do tay
<siccness> *that
<siccness> *weight
<realist> not really, just a guage
<realist> h / w^2
<siccness> dosnt mean shit tho
<realist> I mean... w / h2
<realist> bah
<realist> siccness: rough measure of density ;p
<siccness> ../roough/
<adhoc> >>> 185.00 / (130.00*130.00)
<adhoc> 0.010946745562130178
<adhoc> realist: is that right?
<realist> adhoc: w / h^2
<adhoc> pfft
<realist> w = kg, h = M
<adhoc> > 130.00 / (185.00*185.00)
<adhoc> 0.0037983929875821769
<realist> fairly arbitrary scale though
<adhoc> that makes less sense
<adhoc> oh
<realist> adhoc: 130 / 1.85 x 1.85
<adhoc> >>> 130.00 / (1.8500*1.8500)
<adhoc> 37.983929875821765
<adhoc> does that make me over square?
<adhoc> hi shenki_
<shenki_> hello adhoc
<adhoc> shenki_: hows sydney? =)
<siccness> 27.17063156
<realist> adhoc depends who you speak to, as to what is a healthy bmi
<adhoc> realist: yeah
<adhoc> i used to cycle everywhere, ride up to 600km a week and i went to see a doc
<adhoc> he said how much to you weigh? ... was about 125kg at the time
<shenki_> sydney... it's about 1200km east, and doing quite well i assume :)
<adhoc> he saidm you need to do more exercice and get your weight down to 100kg
<Davo_Dinkum> LOL what a tightass
<adhoc> shenki_: you not in sydney?
<siccness> lol
<realist> You can still be healthy, and overweight, depends on the person
<siccness> realist: course
<siccness> the bmi == bullshit
<siccness> means nothin
<shenki_> adhoc: nah, adelaide :)
<siccness> calculates nothin
<siccness> meas shitall
<realist> siccness: works for most people
<siccness> eh
<adhoc> shenki_: how did i mix that one up?
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<Hobbsee> hey adhoc
<Davo_Dinkum> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index
<realist> As long as they scale you use takes into account, age, body fat %, etc
<siccness> ^
<siccness> exacly
<adhoc> realist: right now i'm a fat barstard
<shenki_> adhoc: hehe, no wories
<adhoc> realist: but i'm cycliong again
<realist> On its own, it's useless
<siccness> just another bullshit doctor thing
<adhoc> what siccness said
<siccness> along with blood presure
<adhoc> hmmm
<realist> I have to start exercising again, overpaid IT work has made me fat + lazy.
<siccness> im 150 over 90
<siccness> 19yrs old
<siccness> im fine
<adhoc> realist: tell me about it
<realist> siccness: yeah, but you're young
<siccness> not ppoint
<adhoc> siccness: and drink lots and probably eat junk food ;)
<siccness> my old man = 150/90
<realist> you wouldn't want to be 60 with that blood pressure ;p
<siccness> doctors wont give me any blood presure drugs
<Davo_Dinkum> You have to enter ketosis if you want to permanently lose weight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis
<realist> actually, what am I saying
<realist> 150/90 isn't _that_ bad
<siccness> realist: wrong
<siccness> it is bad
<siccness> for my age
<adhoc> "Deliberately induced ketosis through a low-carbohydrate diet has been used to treat medical conditions"
<adhoc> Davo_Dinkum: interesting...
<adhoc> Davo_Dinkum: this is what i am trying, low carbs
<siccness> realist: i can almost guarantee ill be dead before 50
<adhoc> cut the sugar right back, no potatoes, no rice
<adhoc> siccness: live fast die young?
<realist> siccness: if you keep it at 150/90, yeah
<siccness> adhoc: yup
<realist> 120/80 = normal, right?
<siccness> realist: sure, i aint gonna change just so i can live longer
<adhoc> realist: he'll have gout before then anyway
<realist> nah, you'll slow down by about 25-28
<adhoc> realist: my last one was 160/60
<siccness> realist: trust me, i wont.
<realist> we'll see
<siccness> old man has the same issue
<siccness> his old man has the same issue
<adhoc> siccness: when you're 30, three stubbies will get you too pissed
<siccness> his old man weights ~160kg
<realist> bugger that
<siccness> it's just family history
<siccness> and almost inheritance
<realist> should take more care then, given the history
<siccness> dont care enuff
<lucychili> folks what specifically is on the dapper live cd?
<lucychili> software is there a list somehwere?
<adhoc> night all
<realist> lucychili: you don't have a copy?
<lucychili> i know inkscape isnt
<lucychili> ive got them
<siccness> night adhoc
<lucychili> i just thought there would be a list somewhere handy
<lucychili> i could copy and paste for a flyer
<realist> adhoc: 'night
<adhoc> *yawn*
<realist> lucychili: if there were, I don't know about it
<lucychili> np
<adhoc> fsck! fsck! fsck!
<adhoc> they postponed my redhat training =(
<Tatey> fella's
<siccness> Tatey:
<Tatey> sicc[tab]:
<siccness> :)
<hantu> how'd the meeting go?
<Davo_Dinkum> redhat?
<hantu> blackhat?
<hantu> what?
<hantu> O_o
<purserj> RHCE?
<Davo_Dinkum> Better than M$ training,
<shenki_> anyone watching lateline atm?
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<siccness> well that wasnt a plastent experiencne
<Davo_Dinkum> Is that the show on SBS?
<shenki> abc
<purserj> no abc
<purserj> what happened?
<Davo_Dinkum> With that lady?
<shenki> the new deputy leader of the labour part makes my skin crawl
<shenki> party
<siccness> purserj: talkin to me?>
<purserj> yar
<siccness> v-o-m-i-t
<Davo_Dinkum> shenki: Is that the one where they always have heated debates?
<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, not bad run then
<siccness> doesnt matter, this bourbon will put me back on track
<shenki> lol yes, I guess Davo_Dinkum
<shenki> Hello Kamping_Kaiser
<Kamping_Kaiser> hi shenki
<hantu> i just learned subnetting \o/
<Davo_Dinkum> Can't stand that show. Makes me care about issues I don't want to care about.
<purserj> you mean like the future of the country and stuff?
<siccness> yea that shit aint important
<Kamping_Kaiser> hantu, cool
<Davo_Dinkum> Well what was on it tonight?
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: sorry for never getting back to you about the lca plans... we still havent decided what we're doing - think we're staying in a hotel now
<Davo_Dinkum> shenki? ^^^
<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, well i booked
<Kamping_Kaiser> so i'll see you at the pub ;)
<shenki> Davo_Dinkum: you know how kim beasley got voted out as the leader of the labour party... so there's a new leader now, and also a new deputy leader. and she's a scary/evil/slimy sounding woman
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: for sure :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: when are you going over/coming back?
<purserj> shenki: compared to who? Costello or maybe Abott?
<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, i'm going for the whole week. i have to book flights to arive+depart at the apropriate moments
<siccness> shenki: robert doyle ==champ
* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if the dates there are dates you have to arive/leave, or if those dates have nights attached
<Davo_Dinkum> Where are you of to Kamp?
<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, linuxconf
<Davo_Dinkum> In melb?
<siccness> sydney07
<shenki> purserj: heh, good point
<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki,
<Kamping_Kaiser> check-in date: 14 January 2007
<Kamping_Kaiser> check-out date: 20 January 2007
<Kamping_Kaiser> just have to book flights to those dates
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: we're planning to get there the sunday before, and leave the saturday after
<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, i'm staying that long because thats how long you can stay at the accom. there
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: so yeah, same dates as you
<siccness> flights or drive?
<Davo_Dinkum> Oh I might be thinking of 2008.
<shenki> flying
<siccness> weak
<shenki> lol
<siccness> explore the emptiness of australia
* Kamping_Kaiser wants to do 2k8, but probably canat afford it :S
<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, i'v done the adelaide -> sydney drive
<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: bullshit, youll make it
<siccness> im gonna be there
<shenki> siccness: my parents have driven me from one side of australia to the other, several times, and it's cheaper to fly
<siccness> so you'll make it
<Kamping_Kaiser> that exploration again can FK off
<siccness> shenki: yes
<siccness> always cheaper
<siccness> but
<shenki> where is lca 2008?
<purserj> Melbourne
<siccness> no piss-up on the way
<Kamping_Kaiser> melb
<MotherLUG> Melbourne
<siccness> Melbourne
<MotherLUG> Evening All
<Kamping_Kaiser> hi
<siccness> Evening champ
<squareyes> evening all
<Davo_Dinkum> I thought it was melb.
<siccness> evenin squareyes
<shenki> siccness: i bussed it from port lincoln (that's 10 hours bus further away than adelaide) all the way upto ipswitch in qld
* Kamping_Kaiser mwamhahaa's as 5 scsi drive raid spins up
<MotherLUG> Hi Kamping_Kaiser , siccness
<siccness> shenki: weak
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<shenki> melbourne, that's almsot close :)
<siccness> real men bus it from america to australia
<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, so your clearly not a real man?
<siccness> tonite would be the best nite to completely ignore me
<Davo_Dinkum> Damn that would suck up the juice when they start up. What wattage is the PSU?
<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: half
<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, not sure.
<MotherLUG> why should you be ignored siccness
<Kamping_Kaiser> its server gear which was working when i got it, i didnt check that minor detail out
<Kamping_Kaiser> MotherLUG, hes bloto
<MotherLUG> ahhh
<siccness> MotherLUG: if the moutain should crumble to the sea
<Davo_Dinkum> Are you drunk siccness?
<siccness> artist/songtitlle
<siccness> very very
* Kamping_Kaiser wonders how to get data onto a tape
<elkbuntu> MotherLUG, he's trying to have a lyrics comp
* siccness hugs elkbuntu
<MotherLUG> Tina Turner, Ain't no mountain high enough
<siccness> no
<MotherLUG> oh no
<siccness> so far from wrong
<MotherLUG> River deep mountain high
<siccness> no
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: place in tape player, hit record, then read out the "one"s or "zero"es
<siccness> WONT YOU STAND, BY ME..OOHH NOW NOW
<siccness> STAND BY ME
<squareyes> recomend Quello Che Faró Sara Per Te
<siccness> surely that's enough lyrics, MotherLUG ?
<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, um.
* elkbuntu kicks siccness's caps lock key
<MotherLUG> hang on I need another burbon
<Davo_Dinkum> Break it off.
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: dunno about the data densitys youll be getting
<siccness> shit oath MotherLUG :)
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: might need some compression there
<siccness> MotherLUG: ive given you the song title
<siccness> but not the artist
<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, i have a server with a tape drive. i'm debating having a play
* elkbuntu considers starting a channel #ubuntu-au-drunkards
<purserj> ooh tape backups
<MotherLUG> sic there have been a few artists do that one
<squareyes> can anyone recomend a good app to convert CD tracks to mp3, tried k3b, but pops up error
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: cool
<siccness> MotherLUG: yes
<siccness> too many infact
<siccness> ill give you a BIG clue
<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, yeh, want a tape drive?
<siccness> Sarget Peppers
<siccness> :)
* cafuego_ challenges siccness to the lyrics for "music for a slaughtering tribe ii (disc 1)/concrete rage.mp3"
* Kamping_Kaiser has piles of the fkers
<elkbuntu> ...
<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: nah, thanks tho :)
<Kamping_Kaiser> :)
<MotherLUG> Hey well there you go siccness , you have edumacated me. I didn't know the Cockroaches did that one
<elkbuntu> lol
* siccness hits MotherLUG
* MotherLUG flings the flanny for siccness right out the window
<siccness> John Lennon - Stand By Me :L)
<cafuego_> elkbuntu: the -au implies -drunkards, does it not?
<elkbuntu> cafuego, good point.. #ubuntu-au-sober
<siccness> ^^
<Davo_Dinkum> I'm off peeps.
<siccness> catch mate
<Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
<siccness> your turn MotherLUG
<squareyes> take care
<Davo_Dinkum> Later.
<elkbuntu> popey, are you totally sure you want to be exposed to this sort of ruckus?
<siccness> i apologize but only to some extent ;)
<siccness> im only 1 man
* Kamping_Kaiser hasnt seen anything wrong from siccness tonight. so no, i dont accept your apology :P
<siccness> haha
<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: typical nite ?:)
<squareyes> do we have your word on that siccness>
<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, atypical. yoru less crude ;)
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, only 'cos he's too drunk to spell the cussing
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, course not, its because hes a gentleman. even bloto, he retains his charm ;)
<elkbuntu> ha.
<siccness> yea u love me elkbuntu
<siccness> im nothin but chalm
<popey> :)
* siccness waits for MotherLUG 's lyrics
<cafuego_> aha!
<MotherLUG> sorry got disctracted
<elkbuntu> siccness, she's likely busy atm
<siccness> calm down elkbuntu :)
<elkbuntu> calm? i am calm! WHO'S NOT CALM?!
* Kamping_Kaiser huggles elkbuntu
<siccness> you startin me? /me pulls out the +glock+
<MotherLUG> ok siccness
<MotherLUG> but you've gotta let me live my life
<MotherLUG> artist/ title please
<siccness> MotherLUG: hehe, you gotta make it "guessable"
<siccness> you cant just pull out beathoven shit
<MotherLUG> ok same song
<MotherLUG> Look mama, I love you, but you've gotta let me live my life
<siccness> same song>
<squareyes> must go, take care
<MotherLUG> oh beegeebeez, I forgot you've had a few drinkies, ok, I'll make it a little easier
<siccness> catch mate
<elkbuntu> lol
<siccness> ../few/ ::)
<siccness> when tuckers daughters a memory!
<MotherLUG> Follow the yellow brick road, follow the yellow brick road. follow, follow, follow, follow, follow the yellow brick road.
<elkbuntu> lol
<MotherLUG> artist/ title
<elkbuntu> if he doesnt get that i'll be laughing SO hard
<Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know the artist/title, but i do sorta know it
<MotherLUG> Ian Moss thanks
<elkbuntu> ... siccness?
* MotherLUG thinks siccness might be off driving the porcelain bus
<siccness> hmm
<elkbuntu> MotherLUG, btw, for the first one i know :)
<siccness> its of that shithouse movie
<siccness> i know that
<MotherLUG> no siccness , I don't thinks it's from that genre. More a family type movie
<siccness> i can however give you the artist/song title of another song with the lyrics "yellow brick road"
<siccness> elton john, of course
<siccness> MotherLUG: shithouse/over-rated kids film that actually sucked == same thing
<MotherLUG> siccness, that's ok, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
<siccness> expcept my opinion is actually 100% always right.
<siccness> therefore, factual.
<siccness> :D
<elkbuntu> MotherLUG, 'more than a few drinkies' might have been better
<purserj> siccness: hmm thats something that you and the catholic church have in common
<siccness> wrong
<siccness> me and that church have nothing in common
<siccness> we actually +HATE+ each-other.
<MotherLUG> siccness, like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
<elkbuntu> law of magnetics: like repel
<siccness> MotherLUG: indeed.
<siccness> Now give me a song that wasn't made 80yrs before i was born :P
<elkbuntu> siccness, she did.. howard jones - look mama
* MotherLUG gives elkbuntu a high five
<purserj> we don't need no education
<siccness> floyd
<siccness> next
<purserj> song title?
<elkbuntu> hehe
<siccness> no point
<siccness> its that piss-easy
<elkbuntu> proove it
<siccness> no cuz im too drunk to remember it
<elkbuntu> rofl
<siccness> so i cover the songtitle up by saying its that piss easy
<siccness> another brick in the wall
<siccness> part II
<elkbuntu> googled
<siccness> nope
<siccness> i dont cheat
<siccness> im not that pathetic
<elkbuntu> like you would do II
<siccness> i have the song on my computer
<elkbuntu> lol
<elkbuntu> close enough
<siccness> it was rated #1 on abc top 100 album list
<siccness> "cmon baby make it hurt so good, sometimes love dont feel like it should"
<siccness> artist/song title
<siccness> (very easy)
<siccness> songtitle is IN the lyrics
<MotherLUG> Hurt so go, by Jon cougar
<MotherLUG> good
<siccness> Depends
<purserj> mellon camp (or whatever it is)
<MotherLUG> melonhead
<siccness> was it John Cougar, John Mellencamp, or John Cougar Mellencamp? :P
<elkbuntu> dont go getting cocky mister
<siccness> :P
<siccness> if you dont get this, im gonna larf :P
<siccness> "lets break these chains, our love can free us" <--a little more difficult (early 90s iirc)
<MotherLUG> I thought larf was a combination of laugh and barf
<elkbuntu> bolton
<purserj> bolton isn't music
<Rothbuntu> oh lawd
<elkbuntu> cant remember the title
<siccness> haha
<MatthewV> hey all.. how'd the meeting go
<MatthewV> ?
<elkbuntu> my turn: "What ever it is, that girl put a spell on me"
<MatthewV> hi siccness elkbuntu ;)
<elkbuntu> hi MatthewV
<siccness> Hey MatthewV
<elkbuntu> siccness, ----------------^
<Rothbuntu> where are the meetings at
<siccness> any clues?
<MatthewV> hi :)
<elkbuntu> Rothbuntu, here, every second monday at 8pm sydney time
<Rothbuntu> ahhh
<elkbuntu> siccness, you're a bit hazy on it?
<siccness> im not sure if that was a clue, or a question :P
<elkbuntu> it was a clue
<siccness> hmm
<siccness> the obvious part is the word hazy
<siccness> but that barely helps me
<elkbuntu> think jimmy
<siccness> yea, ill have a jim beam
<siccness> hendrix
<siccness> ahh shit
<elkbuntu> lol
<elkbuntu> now title... i gave you half already
<siccness> well it'd have to be purple haze
<elkbuntu> good boy
<siccness> but you essentially gave me 95% of it :P
<siccness> i haven't actually heard the lyrics to that song
<elkbuntu> that's not uncommon for when i particpate in these things
<siccness> i think i can stump you guys on one
<elkbuntu> waiting
<siccness> "And when you really, really need it the most"
<siccness> title/artist
<siccness> you're not alowed to participate in this one MotherLUG
<siccness> :)
<elkbuntu> im thinking... meat loaf...?
<merlin-linux> the highway to freedom is now open for everyone
<elkbuntu> stuffed if i can do title
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, i take it you've seen the posters?
<merlin-linux> i one the poster
<siccness> i treasure your love, i never want to lose it, you've been through the fires of hell, and i know you've got the ashes to prove it
<merlin-linux> s/one/on
<merlin-linux> elkbuntu: i got the poster
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, i got 10 of them
<merlin-linux> :-)
<elkbuntu> we might get some printed off in A4 size for LCA swag bags
<merlin-linux> that be great
<elkbuntu> i dont think the 'OBEY' or 'sabdfl has a posse' ones designs would be quite right for there though
<merlin-linux> the poster i got atm is for friend
<siccness> wheres the meeting log?
<elkbuntu> !logs
<ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
<fildo> *gone
<elkbuntu> !locobot
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about locobot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
* merlin-linux still yet to get his poster
<elkbuntu> stupid bot
<elkbuntu> it's not at fabbione
<elkbuntu> !locologs
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about locologs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
<MatthewV> elkbuntu, what's at smurf and what's at fabbione?
<merlin-linux> elkbuntu: how many the posters you got left and how much you want for one
<elkbuntu> MatthewV, smurf has the loco bots
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o siccness
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, jenda still has heaps left, mine are for around here and putting up at LCA
<siccness> big sicc has to change the topic
<elkbuntu> s/heaps/some
<MatthewV> elkbuntu, hmm.. ok :)
<merlin-linux> elkbuntu: np
<elkbuntu> actually, he doesnt
<elkbuntu> but, i only got 10, so i wouldnt be able to replace mine
*** siccness changes topic to "Welcome to the Official Australian Ubuntu LoCo Team channel! || meetings: every second Monday at 0900 UTC; next meeting December 18th. || mailing list: http://ubuntu.com.au/go/mlist || Please abide by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct whilst in this channel: http://ubuntu.com/community/conduct"
<merlin-linux> elkbuntu: i ordered friends and forgot to do mine :S
*** siccness sets mode: -o siccness
<elkbuntu> !LoCoBot is <reply>, LoCoBot logs are at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/
<ubotu> I'll remember that, elkbuntu
<elkbuntu> w00t
<elkbuntu> he works for me now, bwahahaha
<elkbuntu> !locobot
<ubotu> , LoCoBot logs are at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/
<elkbuntu> stupid piece of ****
<elkbuntu> ubotu, no, locobot is LoCoBot logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<ubotu> I'll remember that, elkbuntu
<merlin-linux> lol
<elkbuntu> !locobot
<ubotu> locobot is LoCoBot logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, ROFL @ you
<elkbuntu> ubotu, no, locobot is logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<ubotu> I'll remember that, elkbuntu
<elkbuntu> !locobot
<ubotu> locobot is logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<elkbuntu> stupid bot
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, in the words of nalioth, i dont speak botese
<elkbuntu> ubotu, no, locobot logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about no, locobot logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, so i see, its just funny after your mwahhaah
<merlin-linux> elkbuntu: is locobot a spybot based bot
<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, he used to just ignore me, the bastard
<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, aw, poor elks. hurt its head now :)
<elkbuntu> no, im doing it wrong
<elkbuntu> and because i cbf looking through logs for someone else doing it so i can copy
<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, locobot is simply a logbot
<elkbuntu> ubotu and ubugtu are highly modified supybots
<ubotu> and: Auto Nice Daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.2-1.1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 132 kB
<elkbuntu> ...
<elkbuntu> we need ubugtu in here so it can lart ubotu
<merlin-linux> lol
<Rothbuntu> is there a backport for DISKS ??
<siccness> nite
<Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
<elkbuntu> >> Windows Has Been Discarded; Enjoy Freedom!
<elkbuntu> > >
<elkbuntu> > > What Hides Beneath Does Evolve Freely
<elkbuntu> Will having binary drivers excite Feisty?
<elkbuntu> i just actually laughed out loud at that
<elkbuntu> ♥ the sounder list
* Kamping_Kaiser doest have ♥ anymore. used to have it on a key
<MatthewV> elkbuntu, dont you need to do ubotu, no, locobot is <literal> logs are found...
<MatthewV> ?
<MatthewV> anyway, goodnight all I'm off... sry i couldnt make the meeting, I'll get the logs etc done tmrw morning
<elkbuntu> ubotu, no, locobot is <reply> logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<ubotu> I'll remember that, elkbuntu
<elkbuntu> !locobot
<ubotu> logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<MatthewV> :)
* MatthewV falls asleep
<elkbuntu> its supposed to put the name there though i thouhgt
<elkbuntu> ubotu, no, locobot is <reply> locobot logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<ubotu> I'll remember that, elkbuntu
<elkbuntu> !locobot
<ubotu> locobot logs are found at http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/, you will need to browse for your channel though.
<Kamping_Kaiser> !locobot
<elkbuntu> there, much bettar
<Kamping_Kaiser> :o
<elkbuntu> spam prevention delay
<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i guessed
*** ctd_ is now known as ctd
*** onefang_ is now known as onefang
*** onefang_ is now known as onefang
<adhoc> hmmm ... your thought for the morning;
<adhoc> http://perso.orange.fr/patrice.mandin/images/nv-kitten.jpg
<ajmitch> not another one of them...
<onefang> Such a versatile image, can be used for both your pro kitten and anti kitten needs.
<adhoc> indeed, i just love the message tho
<lifepositive> adhoc: what msg?
<Changlinn> anyone know if there is a webmin module for bugzilla?
<purserj> I haven't seen one
<Changlinn> ah well...
<Changlinn> it'd be nice
<purserj> could always write one ;)
<Changlinn> me... it more than likely be terrible
<Changlinn> heh but I guess it is for Bugzilla, so that would be apt
<onefang> lol
<hysterio> does anyone know if/where the edgy DVD downloads are available from?
<onefang> Available now, and I'm fairly certain bigpond has them already.
<onefang> I know they are available on the HUMBUG distro server, but that's only available to members at meetings. B-)
* hysterio shakes his fist at the iinet and pacific net mirrors
<bimberi> !dvdiso
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdiso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
<bimberi> :/
<bimberi> hysterio: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/release/
<purserj> !dvd
<ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
<hysterio> brilliant :) thanx guys
<bimberi> !dvdiso is <reply> DVD ISOs are available via http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
<ubotu> I'll remember that, bimberi
<bimberi> don't ask me why it's "cdimage." ;)
<MotherLUG> Morning All
<cps> hi
<MotherLUG> hey cps

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