<somerville32> Back to my poll about Edgy

<somerville32> I think it would be good for me to upgrade.

<somerville32> I feel lost sometime when people are talking about stuff in Edgy and I know nothing about it, haha

<somerville32> :]

<somerville32> Who here is running amd64?

<maxamillion> somerville32: i am

<maxamillion> Linux pseudoCube64 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 15:34:39 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux

<somerville32> maxamillion: Edgy, right?

<maxamillion> yes sir

<maxamillion> what's up?

<somerville32> I need someone running dapper

<somerville32> haha

<somerville32> on amd64

<maxamillion> oh ... :(

<maxamillion> i sorry

<cclampblue1> hey whats a good mp3 player in xubuntu?

<cloakable> xfmedia?

<cclampblue1> yeah? i installed rythmbox but i guess its for gnome

<somerville32> I use beep-media-player

<cclampblue1> i cant get it to really wowrk. at least play mp3s

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Xfmedia needs libxine-extracodecs to be installed in order to play mp3 files.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Rhythmbox needs the gstreamer equivalent.

<cclampblue1> whats gstreamer? why didnt the addremove thiing do it?

<cclampblue1> rythmbox doesnt play mp3?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Gstreamer is the backend for gnome-based media players.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> It didn't install mp3 support by default because of the patent issues surrounding mp3 support.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> You have to install it separately.

<cclampblue1> whats the easiest way to do that?

<cclampblue1> with add remove or synaptic??

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Install it through synaptic, the same way you installed the media player.

<cclampblue1> i used addremove to install

<somerville32> !restricted

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<cclampblue1> so once i do that is rythmbox a decent player . organizer?

<somerville32> It isn't bad

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That's a matter of personal preference.

<cclampblue1> i realize that, its just that im lookin for an all around type player. just looking for your opinions.

<cclampblue1> thanks for the help about gstreamer

*** maxamillion is now known as max_foodz0r

<cellofellow> tsmithe: how's the soundcard selecter coming?

<somerville32> He went to bed

<cellofellow> and he's still on? oh well

<cellofellow> :( I tried puppy's alsaconf and the legacy card on this machine didn't work.

<cellofellow> ah, forget it.

<somerville32> :]

<odat> hi everyone

<odat> anyone here?

<somerville32> Yup! :)

<odat> somerville32, have access to a windows box?

<somerville32> Nope.

<somerville32> I need someone on dapper 64bit

<PuMpErNiCkLe> What for?

<somerville32> For testing

<cclampblues> hello

<somerville32> Hello! :)

<cclampblues> yes

<cclampblues> ok

<cellofellow> hi :)

<cclampblues> is there a good mp3 player that runs well in xubuntu. im messing with rythmbox. it doesnt come capeable to play mp3

<cclampblues> why is beyond me.

<cclampblues> so i got and installed ....

<cellofellow> are the codecs installed?

<somerville32> !restricted

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<cellofellow> xmms works for me.

<cclampblues> is he a robot?

<somerville32> !mp3

<cellofellow> yeah

<cclampblues> what are u doing

<cellofellow> trying to get ubotu to talk about mp3

<cclampblues> robots want to destroy us all

<cellofellow> ubotu mp3

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<cellofellow> same message

<cclampblues> they think they are smarter than us

<cellofellow> not ubotu

<cellofellow> !anything

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> hi DARKGuy

<cclampblues> !worlddomination

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worlddomination - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<DARKGuy> hey cellofellow :)

<cclampblues> hes lieing

<cellofellow> cclampblues: ubotu is just a bunch of factoids that Seveas has put together.

* somerville32 coughs.

<somerville32> Seveas didn't put them ALL together :P

<cclampblues> !factoids

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about factoids - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> oh? of course.

<DARKGuy> Hm, it's normal for Xubuntu to use 215 out of 256Mb RAM without anything open except two xfce panels, 3 Eterms and XMMS? :/

<cclampblues> he knows nothing of factoids you speak of

<somerville32> DARKGuy: no

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: you sure that's all that's running?

<somerville32> DARKGuy: type: top

<somerville32> and then O

<somerville32> then n

<somerville32> then hit enter

<cclampblues> let me figure out what i installed

<DARKGuy> kay let's see...

<somerville32> Then take a screenshot, and upload it to the web for me to review

<DARKGuy> oh

<DARKGuy> oki

<DARKGuy> somerville32: http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9787/02dic06590066000screentl2.jpg

<cellofellow> i figured out what setting fixed jpilot. it was the serial sync speed. I just now need to find what the fastest speed it can handle is cause this is *slow*.

<cclampblues> you guys ever play flight of the amazon queen?

* DARKGuy only played the demo, in Win98 times

<somerville32> lol

<somerville32> DARKGuy: Looks like you've got all kinds of bells and whistles turned on

<cclampblues> ok seirously what codecs do i need to play mp3. is there a player that by fluke of genious comes with the shit it needs to run?

<somerville32> Plus you're running several background applications

<cellofellow> xmms

<somerville32> cclampblues: If you visit the links we gave you, you'll find the answer

<DARKGuy> somerville32: Some which I don't even know what they are

<DARKGuy> :/

<somerville32> DARKGuy: You have mysql installed. Why?

<cclampblues> oh see . i knew it. refer the dumb guy to the friggin robot. thanks.

<DARKGuy> somerville32: Um, I make webpages and such, thought it was handy to have it installed

<cellofellow> !mp3 > cclampblues

<DARKGuy> somerville32: since I use it using PHPDev under Win

<somerville32> Sure but it is using lots of resources it appears

<cclampblues> cello ceems adament about this xmms.

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: unless you're actually using it you can turn it off.

<cclampblues> !mp3

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<cellofellow> !fishing

<ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: Know how - but frm the entire startup? like, I don't have to stop it everytime I turn the PC on?

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: on sec.

<DARKGuy> :D

<DARKGuy> I think I'm gonna try a lighter WM, too

<cellofellow> If you open System -> Services, you can turn stuff off and on, but I don't know about setting up the startup.

<odat> what is wrong with gnomebaker

<odat> can't get it to burn anything

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: Maybe that just does it oO no idea :P

<DARKGuy> there was a program I once downloaded... command line, for ubuntu 6.06, in the forum I think, which helped to remove services from the runlevels and such

<DARKGuy> pretty useful, can't remember the name :(

<cellofellow> try it. turn off stuff like mysql and apache and then reboot see if they start.

<cellofellow> There are scripts and graphical setups that configure init's config files.

<DARKGuy> yup

<cellofellow> kubuntu's kde has one, but xfce's only starts and stops stuff in /etc/init.d/

<DARKGuy> I'm tempted to move stuff I don't need out of init.d, but I don't wanna screw it up :P

<cellofellow> so, google, try the wiki, search the repo's, find an init config program.

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: well, just don't get rid of really important low-level stuff like udev

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: Well, at least of the ones I know :P

<cellofellow> cupsys, hald, getty, usplash, half-dozen others.

<DARKGuy> heh yup

* DARKGuy finds an init configurator

<cclampblues> !mp3

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<cellofellow> on that note, what's hdparm do?

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: hdparm sets some HD parameters on the disks such as dma, block size, 32-bit mode and such

<cellofellow> hm. It's not running on my computer. is that a problem?

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: depending on the settings and on your machine, it may improve or decrease HD speed and reliability

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: Not at all, it's more like an optimization thingy, optional

<cellofellow> I have 3 IDE HDD's. I don't think I can get any more speed out of them.

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: you just have to be careful on what you're setting. For example I think it has some problems with the DMA setting I have it and it's not booting properly so I'm gonna remove the hdparm out of it

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: but for some it has done wonders, ymmv :P - oO whoah

<cclampblues> cello can you organize and view your songs easliy (itunes / media playere type setup) or is it more of the llama ass whipping variety?

<cclampblues> within xmms

<cellofellow> xmms is a lot like winamp 3. even supports winamp 3 skins.

<cellofellow> so, llama

<DARKGuy> cclampblues: Rythmbox looks like iTunes, maybe you can give it a go

<cellofellow> he can't get it to play mp3

<DARKGuy> dang :/

<DARKGuy> no codecs?

<DARKGuy> there was something in www.ubuntuguide.org that tells how to get the mp3 codecs

<cellofellow> not sure. he can't figure out what he's installed.

<cellofellow> I haven't tried rythmbox, so I don't know if my codec setup will work.

<DARKGuy> In mine does (automatix-installed, but it's the same thing)

<DARKGuy> this should do it http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs

<cellofellow> cclampblues: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

<DARKGuy> that gives you -all- except WMV xD

<cellofellow> and quicktime I think.

<DARKGuy> dunno, I haven't tried any mov file yet

<DARKGuy> but maybe it does

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: ah, here it is the program I was searching for! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491

<cclampblues> yes. well. no i cant find what i installed . someone in here told me to do it. gsomething or fsomething or something. some of em were already installed i picked the one with the discription of mpeg i ii iii. sseemed like it would work . no dice. in...

<cclampblues> Gstreamer

<cclampblues> thats it.

<DARKGuy> cclampblues: did you try the sudo apt-get line that was in the link above? this one: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs

<PuMpErNiCkLe> For mp3 support for gstreamer based apps, you'll need gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly.

<cclampblues> no trying now. some of the gstreamer 10 is already installed though.

<DARKGuy> that's okay

* cellofellow had a phone call.

<cclampblues> DARK so can i copy paste that in. a line at a time . into terminal?

<cellofellow> or put together a shell script. :)

<DARKGuy> cclampblues: Hm, it -could- work. I just put together everything in one line and removing the backslashes

<cclampblues> how do i copy and paste it?

<DARKGuy> cclampblues: you got a 3-button mice?

<cclampblues> no

<DARKGuy> whoops

<cellofellow> 2-button works too. both at once.

<DARKGuy> ah, then just select the text, go to the terminal and press both mouse buttons at once likce cellofellow said

<cellofellow> select text, place caret, click both buttons. easy.

* cellofellow has a 2-button touchpad.

<DARKGuy> man, is there another browser like ff/sw that can use Javascript and isn't opera?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> DARKGuy: Have you tried Galeon or Epiphany?

<DARKGuy> PuMpErNiCkLe: never heard of those

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Now you have.

<cellofellow> those are for gnome. there aren't and pure gtk or any kde Gecko browsers.

<cellofellow> firefox is xul.

<DARKGuy> PuMpErNiCkLe: thanks to you :P now gotta try 'em

<DARKGuy> heh

<cellofellow> on windows I like K-Meleon, native Win32 Gecko browser.

<DARKGuy> Ah, that's a good one :3

<cclampblues> whats bad multiverse?

<cellofellow> multiverse == non-free packages not supported by Canonical.

<DARKGuy> i'm gonna try fluxbox and see how it goes, brb

<cellofellow> I'm so happy I got this palm pilot working. too bad it's my sisters. :(

<cellofellow> how do I make it so the next time a user logs in they have to change their password? password expirations?

<Commander-Crowe> I thought that was just Windows

<cclampblues> the script said it couldnt find library for bad-multiverse of gstrreamer. the other two came up as already installed. rythemboz still wont open the mp3s correctly. any suggestions?

<somerville32> !repositories | cclampblues

<cellofellow> search the repo for gstreamer

<ubotu> cclampblues: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource

<cellofellow> aptitude search gstreamer

<cellofellow> oh, yeah

<cellofellow> !EasySource

<ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic

<cellofellow> :)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> cellofellow: You can use passwd -x for that. passwd -w will let you warn the user ahead of time, too.

<cellofellow> ok. so sudo passwd -w user?

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> how do I encrypt my HDD?

<cclampblues> i have searched the repos for gstreamer. there are 20 or so i donnt have installed and 5 or so that i do. i installed one that was described to work on mpeg layer i, ii, iii. should i just download and install all of them. do i need to restart after this has happened to take effect?

<cclampblues> or could you just tell me how to uninstall a program and i will look for something else.

<cclampblues> rythembox is a stupid name anyway.

<cellofellow> you don't have to restart. try it out see what happnes

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Commander-Crowe: Probably with either dm-crypt or the newer, but not packaged yet, ecryptfs.

*** somerville32_ is now known as somerville32

<Commander-Crowe> PuMpErNiCkLe are those commands or programs?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> They're features. They have separate configuration utilities.

<Commander-Crowe> whats "format /encrypt" ?

* cclampblues is the ruler of both the known and unknown universe.

<cclampblues> so if someone else has this question the answer is this. "hey man forget that synaptic stuff. look up rythmbox with add/remove and be sure to check the box with the gstreamer plugins too. duh"

* cclampblues has collected all four.

<cclampblues> !robot

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about robot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cclampblues> you liar!

<cclampblues> !being hell bent on destroying the world.

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about being hell bent on destroying the world. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Commander-Crowe> http://www.think-future.de/wiki/index.php?title=Encrypted_Partition#Encrypt_Standard_Partition

<Commander-Crowe> would doing that cause me to lose data?

<cclampblues> quick take a screen shot. im funnier than leroy jeeenkins

<cclampblues> i hate you ubotu

<glue> anybody alive in here?

<Commander-Crowe> how do I "unmount" a partition?

<cellofellow> umount /mount/point or /dev/file

<cellofellow> sudo if it says you can't.

<glue> Any way to install Xubuntu besides the live CD? it freezes my comuter.

<cellofellow> glue: the alternate cd. text installation.

<glue> I'll check that out. Thanks.

<cellofellow> drat, accidently openned two gmplayer's at once and froze X.

*** max_foodz0r is now known as max_coding

<cellofellow> it wont die. restarting gdm didn't work, killall Xorg didn't work,

<cellofellow> yay! sudo kill -n 9 5605 worked!

<Commander-Crowe> !airsnort

<ubotu> airsnort: WLAN sniffer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7e-1.1 (edgy), package size 49 kB, installed size 180 kB

<HeathenDan> how do i make jpg photos "lighter" with gimp? they're too dark

<PuMpErNiCkLe> HeathenDan: Layers -> colors -> a bunch of options. Brightness/contrast is probably the simplest.

<HeathenDan> wow, thanks

<HeathenDan> that's good enough for me

<HeathenDan> how about compressing the files? they're 1+MB digicam images

<HeathenDan> too big for email

<cellofellow> HeathenDan: reduce the resolution, and when you save as jpeg it will give you compression ratio options. Default is 85%.

<HeathenDan> is 85% ok? i don't want to change resolution

<cellofellow> Just try something like 60% see if that's small enough.

<HeathenDan> ok, will do

<HeathenDan> gonna email baby pics to my in-laws

<somerville32> Doesn't linux rock? :]

<cellofellow> and roll!

*** max_coding is now known as maxamillion

<cellofellow> oh, hi maxamillion

<maxamillion> hello

* maxamillion is actually still coding, just thought he would change his nick for a while

<maxamillion> :P

<maxamillion> cellofellow: how are you?

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> oh, just fine. I got my old palm working.

<somerville32> Gah

<cellofellow> what?

<somerville32> lol

<somerville32> I'll tell you in #xubuntu-offtopi

<cellofellow> k

<HeathenDan> hmm, is it just me or the new flash plugin in synaptic stalling on install?

<cellofellow> use apt

<HeathenDan> waiting for synaptic to stop... do i kill it?

<cellofellow> sure

<HeathenDan> ok

<maxamillion> use aptitude

<maxamillion> :D

<cellofellow> still holding out on aptitude? I thought you said it annoyed you.

<HeathenDan> of course, aptitude is my preferred cli approach

<maxamillion> but don't mix using apt-get and aptitude, you get strange functionality .... that was the cause of my problems

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i realized later that i wanted aptitude to autoremove dependencies of a package it didn't install and therefore didn't have record of the extra packages installed, there is something i could have run in aptitude to make it inspect the package and find out, i just didn't know

<cellofellow> oh, ok.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: because i had installed openoffice.org with apt-get and tried to remove it with aptitude ... didn't go so well :P

<cellofellow> you had huge bits of it still hanging around huh?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, because as far as aptitude saw it, all that i wanted gone was openoffice.org because it had never seen the package previously

<cellofellow> did it get worked out?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, just had to remove with apt-get because that's what i used to install ... and i even tested it, once removed with apt-get i installed with aptitude and then removed with aptitude, worked as i expected it to

<cellofellow> :)

<JKnife> who all is running 7.04?

<cellofellow> not me.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: which made me smile because i like aptitude better in concept, i just need to stick with it so it "knows" my machine

<cellofellow> ok :)

<cellofellow> I've been using it almost exclusively, no problems.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: and a debian guy who is an aptitude advocate was like "you can't expect aptitude to know everything about a package it had no part in installing" and it made sense :)

<maxamillion> ok .. i really must code, been chatting too much :P

*** maxamillion is now known as max_coding

<Commander-Crowe> Is there a way I can get grub to look for another OS to boot?

<Commander-Crowe> cuz I installed Fedora for work but I didn't have it install GRUB because I already had it installed

<JKnife> different partion?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> No, but it's fairly easy to add an entry for Fedora to /boot/grub/menu.lst - there's documentation on their site for how it should be set up, I'm sure.

<Commander-Crowe> yea its on a different partition

<JKnife> do what PuMpErNiCkLe said

<JKnife> o.O Ubuntu is a memory hug.. over 100mb in cli =\

<JKnife> ok.. down to ~30mb =\

<kalikiana> hi there

<kalikiana> Is there anybody who'd like to try out a small GUI search tool?

<somerville32> Yup.

<somerville32> Sure :)

<kalikiana> twotoasts.de/search4files.tar.gz

<Commander-Crowe> uh oh

<JKnife> kalikiana: why "os.spawnlp(os.P_WAIT, 'Thunar', 'Thunar', filename)"?

<JKnife> well.. that may be the best method =\

<Commander-Crowe> fsck failed

<JKnife> well then aint ya fscked

<kalikiana> JKnife: to open either the file or folder

* JKnife still think it is weird to do it that way..

<JKnife> but i think it is also the ONLY way right now

<Commander-Crowe> where is the error log file to fsck?

<JKnife> umm are they with rest of em?

<JKnife> /var/log/

<kalikiana> feel free to suggest any improvements :P

<Commander-Crowe> Failed to open the device 'UUID=1b468e1d-2e92-4714-8a8e-0016d92c032e': No such file or directory

<Commander-Crowe> HELP

<JKnife> hahaha

* JKnife knows what is wrong

<Commander-Crowe> tell on

<Commander-Crowe> tell on

<Commander-Crowe> tell on

<Commander-Crowe> tell on

<JKnife> XD

<JKnife> grub config

<JKnife> it needs to point to a device file not the UUID

<Commander-Crowe> oh

<Commander-Crowe> ok that makes no sense

<JKnife> joe /boot/grub/menu.lst

<Commander-Crowe> right

<Commander-Crowe> I'm looking at it

<JKnife> find the kernel line and change root=UUID=1b468e1d-2e92-4714-8a8e-0016d92c032e to root=/device/file/of/part

<cellofel1ow> UUID works better, when you have it right.

<Commander-Crowe> I have no clue as to what would casue such an error

<JKnife> cellofel1ow: your name is messed up

<cellofel1ow> my name?

<JKnife> it is your back up name

<JKnife> notice the 1

<cellofel1ow> oh, it is.

<JKnife> XD

*** cellofel1ow is now known as cellofellow

<cellofellow> that better?

<JKnife> :)

<JKnife> sad i noticed it?

<Commander-Crowe> I can't find where my menu.lst would cuase such an error

<cellofellow> :( just lost at an old palm-pilot game.

<JKnife> cellofellow: ON THE KERNEL LINE

<kalikiana> Any other beta-testers for my search GUI?

<JKnife> pfft.. beta FTL! alpha FTW!

* kalikiana pokes JKnife

<cellofellow> search GUI?

<kalikiana> cellofellow: http://twotoasts.de/search4files.tar.gz (find, locate & tracker)

<cellofellow> desktop search? I already have beagle

<kalikiana> cellofellow: It searches files, either directly or via daemon, if you have beagle I don't mind :)

<cellofellow> via daemon? like beagled?

<kalikiana> In fact I don't know beagle; I added tracker and locate until now

<cellofellow> oh, ok.

<kalikiana> I could try to include beagle if it makes sense

<cellofellow> don't bother. Beagle is way to compicated. Indexes a lot more than files.

<kalikiana> ok. :)

<cellofellow> What I wish I could have is a simple panel applet that I could put a search term and choose my search engine. find, beagle, google, ebay, and it would open the correct app and pass the search term to it and search. Web search would open a browser of course.

<cellofellow> Like the firefox search bar 'cept for the panel.

<cellofellow> hey, I like this. I'll keep it. A lot quicker that beagle and searches most stuff just fine.

<kalikiana> Which method did you use?

<cellofellow> whichever was the default

<kalikiana> find :)

<kalikiana> feel free to tell me what i should improve

<cellofellow> if you make a panel search bar, this would work perfect for when one chooses "find" or "locate" as the engine.

<cellofellow> Improve, all that comes to mind is the name. search4files is concise and to the point, but bland.

<kalikiana> unfortunately I have no idea how to make a search bar, sry; however I am going to add command line support

<cellofellow> ok. :) that should make it easy to use as part of a search bar.

<kalikiana> and i might include beagle if that helps

<cellofellow> besides, the bar wouldn't search, just take the search term, translate it into a command, and run it.

<cellofellow> if you want to try beagle. :)

<cellofellow> maybe a search-in-files using grep would work too.

<kalikiana> search-in-files sounds good, I'll look into that :)

* kalikiana shivers at the sight of beagle's dependency list

<JKnife> beagle is a mono program IIRC

<cellofellow> huge I know. it's mono yes.

* JKnife refuses to use mono

<kalikiana> I don't really like mono

<cellofellow> think it's too patent-risky?

<JKnife> no

<JKnife> the novell/M$ deal fixed the patent issue

<kalikiana> It exists because of a monopoly but ont because it were good

<kalikiana> s/ont/not

<JKnife> s|were|was|

<cellofellow> I never liked .NET. Never installed the runtime on windows.

<kalikiana> JKnife: thx :)

<cellofellow> but, I do like beagle.

<JKnife> cellofellow: but you will install mono?

<cellofellow> I just didn't have any need to install .NET on windows, occasionally it came up as needed by some program, when it did I found a better alternative.

<cellofellow> Beagle is like google for local files. Find me an engine that does that without mono I'll use it in a snap. It'd be faster too if it doesn't use an interpreter.

* JKnife uses slocate

<cellofellow> Jkife != cellofellow

<cellofellow> JKnife

<kalikiana> JKnife: it's the same as locate, right?

<kalikiana> cellofellow: so what about tracker?

<JKnife> kalikiana: a secure version.. as in it obeys permissions

<kalikiana> JKnife: oh, i'll add it to my search then :)

<JKnife> cellofellow: WHAT?

<JKnife> you just said my name and that was it

<cellofellow> I said JKnife != cellofellow. see the line before.

<JKnife> ohh

<PuMpErNiCkLe> kalikiana: In ubuntu, at least, locate is just a link to slocate.

<kalikiana> PuMpErNiCkLe: So there is no insecure search? Interesting...

<somerville32> kalikiana: Pretty cool :)

<cellofellow> find always gives me errors when I search as user from the / trying to find some conf or bin file.

<cellofellow> I'll say.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> There is /usr/bin/locate.notslocate - I'm not entirely sure if it's what it looks like, though, since I've never used it.

<kalikiana> somerville32: thanks

<cellofellow> somerville32: just curious, do you know how to make panel applets?

<somerville32> cellofellow: Can we discuss that tomorrow?

* somerville32 is super tired and busy working on some stuff :)

<cellofellow> ok

<somerville32> Doh

<somerville32> #ubuntu and #kubuntu are under attack :(

<cellofellow> bedtime

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<somerville32> Welp

<somerville32> That was fun

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<maxsoft> morning all.

<somerville32> Hi

<maxsoft> I've installed ubuntu in a pc. I've a dlink 120+ wireless adapter.

<maxsoft> now in another pc, I'm installing xubuntu with alternative cd installation. Text mode setup.

<maxsoft> I use the same dlink adapter but xubuntu setup dont recognize the ethernet wireless adapeter.

<maxsoft> how to ? thank you.

<maxsoft> setup tell me that it might possible load a specific module and go back. I go back and I see a menù.

<maxsoft> Configure ethernet tell me that dont recognize any ethernet.

<somerville32> !wireless

<ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs

<somerville32> :)

<TheSheep> maxsoft: I'm not sure this will work, but in the 'expert' mode you can choose what kernel modules to load

<TheSheep> maxsoft: press f6 twice in the boot menu to get into the expert mode

<Commander-Crowe> erm

<Commander-Crowe> #fedora isn't a friendly channel

<maxsoft> thank you very much TheSheep I'll try.

<maxsoft> Unfortunatly I see your message now :(

<maxsoft> I'm on 45% of ubuntu installation.

<maxsoft> TheSheep: I'll be able do it after installation?

<TheSheep> maxsoft: yes, of course

<maxsoft> TheSheep :) thank you very much

<TheSheep> maxsoft: best refer to those WifiDocs

<maxsoft> I see it but I think that linux dont see any wifi ethernet.. it's very strange, another pc with the same (fisically the same) work well.

<tsmithe> hi again... i'm trying to do two things to my app now: a) make sure it doesn't run on somerville32's system; b) write a panel plugin

<somerville32> haha :D

<tsmithe> now...

<TheSheep> tsmithe: sorry, we con't possibly support such a wicked goal ;)

<tsmithe> well, it's his computer's fault

<TheSheep> I mean the b)

<TheSheep> :D

<tsmithe> oh

<tsmithe> well, you might be in luck cos i can't find the api for the python-xfce bindings

<TheSheep> tsmithe: it's in the source package of python-xfce

<TheSheep> tsmithe: you just browse the code

<tsmithe> bah... i want a website :(

<tsmithe> it's so much prettier

<TheSheep> tsmithe: alternatively, you might just open a python console, load the xfce module and type help(xfce)

<tsmithe> yeah

<tsmithe> it doesn't wanna load xfce

<tsmithe> or pyxfce

<tsmithe> no module named

<somerville32> Do you have it installed? :/

<TheSheep> it needs gtk loaded first

<tsmithe> what have i done to deserve this!?

<tsmithe> TheSheep, thanks

<Gloubiboulga> there's no available doc for pyxfce AFAIK

<TheSheep> Gloubiboulga: there are some examples in the source package, I think

<Gloubiboulga> TheSheep: in the svn only IIRC

<tsmithe> TheSheep, it still hates me

<TheSheep> ah, possible, I remember I got to them somehow

<Gloubiboulga> the examples get dropped from the tarball thanks to broken autotools

<TheSheep> yay! \o/

<Gloubiboulga> ^^

<tsmithe> not yay!

<Gloubiboulga> there's also a RSS panel plugin written in python in the goodies svn

<TheSheep> oh, I need an rss panel plugin!

<tsmithe> AAAHHHHH!

<tsmithe> it's xfce4!

<TheSheep> trudge trudge trudge

<tsmithe> right.... so i need a gtk.Plug ...

<tsmithe> hmm.

<tsmithe> i need some example code

<TheSheep> there should be laws enforcing writing docs :)

* somerville32 needs sleep.

<tsmithe> somerville32, don't turn off your pc!

<somerville32> lol

<tsmithe> how can i get vim to do python markup

<tsmithe> i have vim-python installed

<TheSheep> tsmithe: :syntax on

<tsmithe> ah

<tsmithe> urgh

<tsmithe> ugly

<TheSheep> tsmithe: change the color scheme

<tsmithe> ?

<TheSheep> :colorcheme darkblue

<TheSheep> for example

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Are you a member of MOTU?

<TheSheep> type :he colorcheme for details :)

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: yes

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Want to do a review for me? :]

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: I'll review your package

<somerville32> Woot :]

<TheSheep> ouch, the coding style of C programmer writing in python :)

<tsmithe> ssh: connect to host somerville32 port 22: Connection timed out

<somerville32> tsmithe: dynamic ip

<tsmithe> ah

<tsmithe> what's the ip now

<somerville32> 156.34.78.85

<tsmithe> cheers

<tsmithe> somerville32, could you test it now?

<tsmithe> i cant cos i don't have access to the x server

<tsmithe> IT WORKS!!!

<tsmithe> thanks somerville32

<somerville32> :)

<tsmithe> does it need a panel applet? or would an entry in the Settings menu be good enough?..

<TheSheep> tsmithe: what is it?

<tsmithe> a little app to let you select the default sound card

<tsmithe> read my forum post

* tsmithe goes to find it

<tsmithe> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311320

<tsmithe> explains my motivation

<TheSheep> tsmithe: maybe you should patch the xfce4-mixer instead?

<tsmithe> maybe

<tsmithe> but that's in a pretty poor state at the moment

<somerville32> haha

<tsmithe> and i don't think it's in python

* tsmithe checks

<tsmithe> it's not

<tsmithe> and i only just learnt(-ish) python yesterday

<TheSheep> if it keeps like that. xubuntu will be the bloated python distro :)

<phlasphy> hey all

<tsmithe> why's that?

<tsmithe> hey phlasphy

<sam1982> helllllo ayone here

<sam1982> anyone.

<tsmithe> hi sam1982

<somerville32> Lots of us are here sam1982

<somerville32> :)

<TheSheep> tsmithe: I'm writing two tools for xubuntu in python too ;)

<tsmithe> lol

<sam1982> haha cool

<phlasphy> i am leaving linux

<sam1982> all using xubuntu right?

<tsmithe> NOOOO!!!!!!

<somerville32> Yup! :)

<tsmithe> phlasphy, why???

<sam1982> WHY? why you leacing linux?

<phlasphy> not me

<TheSheep> phlasphy: yay, did you discover bsd?

<tsmithe> phlasphy, huh?

<sam1982> then who?

<tsmithe> i usually = me

<somerville32> phlasphy: Whats wrong?

<sam1982> i cant leave linux now that im here

* somerville32 loves linux. :)

<somerville32> Don't leave phlasphy :)

<somerville32> We'll miss you here on #xubuntu

<sam1982> addicted ~ in love ~ hates windows with a pass ~ me and my ubuntu (not using xubuntu sorry dudes) make love all the time...

<somerville32> ...

<sam1982> pass - pash

<somerville32> :]

<phlasphy> our house just sold and i may be getting a laptop i will put it on that . i will leave linux untill i decide if i dont get it i will put it back on but i am leaving for now.

<sam1982> oh like that?

<phlasphy> yeah

<phlasphy> i dont want to setup linux on here just to transfer to a laptop

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3614

<sam1982> phlasphy... i came to linux fisrt about 3 months ago... then i went back to windows, back to linux back windows back to linux lalalalalalal all the time in the end i was like...no more..

<sam1982> i love ubuntu so much.

<sam1982> it works and it dont do anything else...

<phlasphy> sam1982, i will always need windows

<sam1982> no viruses no rubbish nothing, 100% lush

<sam1982> why do you need windows ~~ can i ask ?

<phlasphy> for DVD ripping burning

<phlasphy> cd ripping

<tsmithe> i can now use xfce full time as well :)

<tsmithe> phlasphy, you can do that on linux

<sam1982> linux does thagt

<tsmithe> acidrip

<tsmithe> k3b

<tsmithe> gnomebaker

<phlasphy> have you ever heard of a program called CCE

<sam1982> <~~ i love linux more than my own mother.

<phlasphy> tsmithe, more shrink my dvds

<tsmithe> acidrip

<tsmithe> anything mencoder can do it can do better

* tsmithe hugs GUI

<tsmithe> no more asoundconf for me!

<TheSheep> bah

<phlasphy> CCE is comercial encoding software worth $2000 i dont think acid rip would compare

<TheSheep> tsmithe: now make a gui for bash

<sam1982> 2000$ rip off

<TheSheep> phlasphy: you could be surprised :)

<sam1982> i love free software.

<phlasphy> sam1982, i got it for free

<tsmithe> TheSheep, no

* tsmithe hugs bash

<phlasphy> TheSheep, besides i bet ya acid rip transcodes

<TheSheep> phlasphy: yeah, and has caries

<sam1982> well then phlasphy your a theif if you stole it.

<phlasphy> sam1982, yeah

<sam1982> hehehhe good boy

<tsmithe> piracy is evil... stunts the spread of free software

<somerville32> !piracy

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about piracy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<phlasphy> ubotu is in denail

<sam1982> totally

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is in denail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<tsmithe> ubotu, piracy is evil

<phlasphy> TheSheep, transcoding is bad

<TheSheep> phlasphy: caries is even worse

<tsmithe> transcoding? bad?

<phlasphy> when it shrinks the video from an already shrunk format

<phlasphy> like mp3 to ogg

<phlasphy> it does a sloopy job

<phlasphy> :(

<sam1982> QUESTION~~~ do most mp3 players support ogg these dayss?

<tsmithe> phlasphy, what would you do?

<phlasphy> sam1982, no

<TheSheep> sam1982: no, if it doesn't have "supports ogg" written on th features list, it doesn't

<sam1982> sucks cos i hear thqat OGG is smaller and better quality.

<TheSheep> sam1982: I know that most mpio players do support ogg

<sam1982> is ogg a linux thing then?

<phlasphy> tsmithe, well dvd-rebuilder with CCE un compresses mpeg-2 and then reencodes it

<TheSheep> sam1982: creative's don't

<phlasphy> sam1982, either

<somerville32> OOG is open source

<somerville32> But not a "linux thing"

<somerville32> :]

<somerville32> !oog

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<tsmithe> phlasphy, that's what everything does. that's what transcoding is

<TheSheep> !ogg

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<somerville32> :]

<phlasphy> transcoding does not uncompress it

<sam1982> ok

<phlasphy> it just uses the mpeg-2

<sam1982> o

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, ping

* phlasphy just uses flac

<sam1982> dudes im sleepy its late at night...

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: your package doesn't build...

<sam1982> i wanna sleep but i cant.

<phlasphy> night

<phlasphy> :(

<somerville32> Gloubioulga: It doesn't build! :(

<somerville32> It is python

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: I mean, I don't get a .deb

<somerville32> Should I check that before uploading?

<tsmithe> phlasphy, no - it decompresses it on the fly

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: and as crimsun told you, you should have a look at the python plicy

<Gloubiboulga> policy*

<phlasphy> tsmithe, are you sure

<tsmithe> phlasphy, yup

<tsmithe> otherwise how else can it work

<phlasphy> tsmithe, ahwell i still need windows

<somerville32> dual boot?

<phlasphy> tsmithe, it can work by just encoding the already encoded data

<tsmithe> how? that doesn't make any sense.

<phlasphy> somerville32, dual booting is messy in my opinion

<tsmithe> to get the data, it needs to decode it

<TheSheep> phlasphy: go to your windows already

<tsmithe> otherwise it'd turn out as random data

<phlasphy> well you can make a mp3 smaller by encoding it at a lesser bitrate

<phlasphy> TheSheep, i am on windows :P

<tsmithe> it would do it mp3-pcm-mp3 i'm sure

<phlasphy> tsmithe, you may be right but can you make grip do 4-5 passes on a dvd ?

<tsmithe> grip doesn't do dvd

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<tsmithe> acidrip does

<tsmithe> it will use whatever codes/setting mencoder supports

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<phlasphy> tsmithe, i will keep my CCE

<TheSheep> I wonder, is it possible to add to the panel a plugin that's not installed globally?

<tsmithe> phlasphy, it can do 100 passes if you wish

<TheSheep> some .plugins directory maybe?

<phlasphy> hang on

<tsmithe> phlasphy, http://tibsplace.co.uk/passes.png

<tsmithe> acidrip video codec options

<phlasphy> Up until now, there have basically been 2 choices available for backing up an entire DVD-9 to a DVD-/+R. You could either use a laundry list of programs, probably including some with a fairly steep learning curve and maybe some that cost thousands of dollars, or you could use a 1 Click program that doesn't give you the same quality as more complex methods, but doesn't require hundreds of hours of reading and experimentation or thousands of dollars worth

<phlasphy> of software. With DVD Rebuilder and CCE Basic (and a couple of other free programs) you can now get quality that rivals the difficult/expensive methods while keeping the simplicity of the 1 Click software.

<phlasphy> sorry

<tsmithe> well

<tsmithe> you can keep your evil proprietary software

<tsmithe> and i'll live the high life

<tsmithe> with acidrip and mencoder

<phlasphy> have fun

* somerville32 waves.

<somerville32> :)

<tsmithe> hi somerville32

<TheSheep> _o/

<somerville32> Hi tsmithe.

<phlasphy> i thought you were going

<TheSheep> phlasphy: we will be missing you

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> it will only be till after the 18th

<phlasphy> that is when the money comes through :)

* tsmithe tests his applet having inserted his audigy

<tsmithe> yay!

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, I read the python policy but none of it seems applicable to me.

<tsmithe> "beat that nick but not the way that we play"

<tsmithe> or something along those lines...

<tsmithe> ooooo

<tsmithe> something else xfce doesn't have

* tsmithe needs an xmodmap

<somerville32> tsmithe: Are you running Xubuntu now?

<tsmithe> my lovely multimedia keys!

<phlasphy> cya for now i will prb be around anyway

<tsmithe> somerville32, sorta

<somerville32> :]

<tsmithe> it's hacked out to no longer resemble it at all, though

<tsmithe> except perhaps the panel at the bottom

<somerville32> screenie?

<tsmithe> i dunno what to do it of

<somerville32> There is an applet

<tsmithe> http://tibsplace.co.uk/screenshot.png

<tsmithe> it's a bit rubish

<tsmithe> *rubbish

<somerville32> 404

<tsmithe> bah

<tsmithe> now why didn't it save it

<tsmithe> now try

<TheSheep> must be very hard to work at this angle %)

<tsmithe> hi zenrox

<tsmithe> i wanted to show my xchat, my applet and my desktop

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: you can use dh_python, python-central or python-support, and update your debian/control with the Python fields

* tsmithe wonders about xmodmaps

<tsmithe> how do i go about getting my multimedia keys to work?

<tsmithe> right

<tsmithe> i've got my keysyms

<tsmithe> i'll look on the gentoo wiki

* tsmithe relogins

* tsmithe hugs Xmodmap

<tsmithe> !!!

<tsmithe> yay!

<tsmithe> now i just need to get the mixer applet to change sound cards as well

<tsmithe> it's the same in gnome, though, so i'm not missing anything

* tsmithe chooses XFCE

<somerville32> :]

<somerville32> I just use gnome-sound-control

<tsmithe> i don't have that

<tsmithe> i wanna get my applet into universe

<tsmithe> do microsoft reply to support@microsoft.com

<somerville32> lol

<tsmithe> who here's a motu?

<tsmithe> nah

<tsmithe> dw

* tsmithe /join #ubuntu-motu

<tsmithe> where is the settings menu file stored?

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, I don't see why I'd use any of those

<phlasphy> hey all again

<phlasphy> i have been doing some thinking

<somerville32> Welcome back phlasphy :)

<phlasphy> maybe it would be better do install windows on the laptop

<tsmithe> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<tsmithe> it would never

<tsmithe> ev

<tsmithe> *ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> ever

<somerville32> Err...

<somerville32> stop

<tsmithe> , ever

<tsmithe> be better

<somerville32> :]

* tsmithe is passionate about this matter

<phlasphy> tsmithe, i mean for my needs

<tsmithe> what are your needs?

<tsmithe> i'm truly sure the free software world meets them

<tsmithe> you just need to be a bit more liberal; less conservative

<TheSheep> phlasphy: honestly, I think you'll be better off with windows

<tsmithe> it's a wonderful world

<phlasphy> TheSheep, why

<tsmithe> out there

<TheSheep> phlasphy: just a feeling

* tsmithe think no-one is better with windows

<tsmithe> a computer is a tool

<tsmithe> learn to use it properly

<phlasphy> TheSheep, why though ?

<somerville32> You'll do fine with Linux :)

<TheSheep> phlasphy: how can I know? feeling is feeling.

<phlasphy> ok

<tsmithe> what are your needs?

<phlasphy> actually i dont realyl have needs

<TheSheep> phlasphy: then windows will be perfect!

<TheSheep> :D

<somerville32> -_-

* somerville32 smacks TheSheep.

* TheSheep bites somerville32's hand off

<TheSheep> ptfu

<somerville32> !ptfu

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ptfu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<TheSheep> no salt

<czer323> Does Xubuntu have a samba browser?

<TheSheep> czer323: not by default

<somerville32> czer323: I'm working on that right now for Feisty :]

<phlasphy> TheSheep, linux was originaly only something to do

<czer323> TheSheep, Any suggestions for a good one?

<czer323> somerville32, Will it be integrated with thunar? ;)

<TheSheep> czer323: best use fuse

<czer323> Thanks, I'll check it out

<TheSheep> czer323: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300310

<phlasphy> TheSheep, it has grown on me though

<tsmithe> what's grown on you?

<tsmithe> linux or windows?

<phlasphy> linux

<tsmithe> you better not say windows

<tsmithe> good

<somerville32> I actually have trouble using Windows not that I've used Linux so much.

<phlasphy> windows is easy

<phlasphy> not that i miss that

<phlasphy> when using linux

<tsmithe> linux is really really much easier than windows

<tsmithe> it's more powerful

<tsmithe> it's just *different8

<tsmithe> *different*

<phlasphy> tsmithe, not CLI only

<tsmithe> huh?

<phlasphy> imo anyway

<tsmithe> it's all better

<tsmithe> different != worse

<phlasphy> no i mean not easier

<tsmithe> ?

<phlasphy> cli only is harder than windows

<phlasphy> brb

<tsmithe> i'm not just talking about the cli

<phlasphy> i am

<phlasphy> http://dvd.box.sk/articles8.php?stranka=2

<phlasphy> can you tell the differance between original and intervideo

<phlasphy> i am just wondering i cant

<TheSheep> cli on windows is harder than cli on linux

<phlasphy> i dont use it on windows

<tsmithe> i can't live without it

<tsmithe> i even try and use it on windows

<tsmithe> ipconfig mainly

<TheSheep> phlasphy: than how do you automate your work on widnows?

<phlasphy> hmmm automate my work

<phlasphy> that means what?

<phlasphy> i just use windows GUI

<TheSheep> for example, you need to create new accounts for 50 students...

<TheSheep> you click whole day?

<tsmithe> crazy

<phlasphy> i dont do that

<phlasphy> i am only 16

<phlasphy> lol

* tsmithe is 14

<tsmithe> and understands the need of the cli

<tsmithe> and writes python

<tsmithe> trust me

<tsmithe> it's easier

* tsmithe promises

<somerville32> tsmite: You're 14?

<phlasphy> ok

<tsmithe> somerville32, ja

<TheSheep> phlasphy: then something else. you want to clean up your porn collection, and rename the pictures to have consistent naming

<somerville32> Is this the same Toby Smithe I see on the mailing lists all the time?

<TheSheep> .oO(me hopes this example fits the age)

<tsmithe> somerville32, yes

<tsmithe> somerville32, why?

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> it would never

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ev

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> *ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<tsmithe> flood!

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<somerville32> Stop

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> ever

<TheSheep> boys

<phlasphy> <somerville32> Err...

<phlasphy> <somerville32> stop

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> , ever

<phlasphy> <tsmithe> be better

<phlasphy> that shows is age

* phlasphy thinks

<phlasphy> TheSheep, are you female

<phlasphy> ?

<TheSheep> phlasphy: no

<phlasphy> ok

<tsmithe> somerville32, why do you ask?

<czer323> But, just as sexy.

* TheSheep slaps czer323 with a rainbow flag

<czer323> lol

<phlasphy> TheSheep, what do you mean by consistent renaming :(

<tsmithe> somerville32, why do you ask?!?

* tsmithe is curious

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<TheSheep> phlasphy: for example, you want to reanme all the image files so they are called <name of the dir>-<number>

<tsmithe> ah the wonders of bash scripting

<TheSheep> phlasphy: or something similar

<phlasphy> can you use that to call a whole collection sys (number)

<tsmithe> "whole collection sys (number)"? what does that mean?

<TheSheep> "sys (number)"

<TheSheep> phlasphy: use what?

<phlasphy> rename all the pictures in a folder SYS (number)

<phlasphy> CLI

<tsmithe> "(number)"?

<phlasphy> 1 2 3 4 5

<TheSheep> phlasphy: bash is turing-complete, you can use it to do *anything*

<phlasphy> in sucsession

<tsmithe> yes

<phlasphy> on windows

<tsmithe> x=0 for i in files; do $x++; done

<phlasphy> umm

<phlasphy> hang on

<TheSheep> man bash

<tsmithe> i think i'm gonna alias man to o-almighty

<phlasphy> sorry i am a noob

<tsmithe> o-almighty bash

<phlasphy> Cons

<phlasphy> Works best with a fast computer

<phlasphy> Big learning curve for advanced features

<phlasphy> how can you call the first one a con

<tsmithe> not really "Big"?

<TheSheep> phlasphy: basically, what you use in cli is a full-blown scripting langauge, you can write programs in it

<tsmithe> not really "Big"

<phlasphy> TheSheep, ok

<TheSheep> phlasphy: of course you don't need to know it all to use simple commands

<phlasphy> ok

<TheSheep> phlasphy: but with time you learn to use more and more of it

<phlasphy> and bash is dos?

<phlasphy> or CLI

<tsmithe> bash is a shell

<tsmithe> there are many shells

<tsmithe> dash is used in ubuntu scripts as the parser

<TheSheep> bash is one of the possible shells (languages used in cli) you can use on linux

* somerville32 thinks that he should try and convince Canonical to give him a laptop.

<tsmithe> it's quicker, and only standards-compliant

<phlasphy> ok

<TheSheep> phlasphy: on windows the nearest you get to it is batch files, .bat or .cmd

<tsmithe> and they are terrible

<tsmithe> gotos all over the place

<TheSheep> somerville32: take one for me too once you're at it ;)

<tsmithe> and me

<tsmithe> i want a dual core centrino!

<phlasphy> cya all

<cga> hi all =) && anyone has mousepad Segfaulting? ie: it segs even if i try to laungh it.

<cga> *launch

<TheSheep> cga: someone had a similar problem before, turned out to be some problem with the icon theme, I think

<cga> TheSheep, i use the default tango

<cga> gonna try to change icon set and launch it

<Gloubiboulga> cga: on edgy and amd64 ?

<cga> FYI: it worked with the tango icons before

<cga> Gloubiboulga, nope, dapper 386

<Gloubiboulga> hmm

<TheSheep> cga: maybe you can strace it?

<cga> TheSheep, how?

<TheSheep> cga: open terminal, type 'strace mousepad'

<TheSheep> cga: and see what is the last thing it does before segfault

<cga> ok

<somerville32> Cga: edgy?

<cga> somerville32, dapper 386

<soon> Hi folks - how do change the global locale (from Da A to EN) ?

<cga> TheSheep, mmm strace looks unfamiliar to me :P the last things it does before segs it is related to /home/cga/.config/mousepad/mousepadrc

<somerville32> Did you try switching it at the login screen?

<TheSheep> soon: system->language setttings

<cga> TheSheep, i'm gonna delete that file and try

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Oh, I see why I'd use dh_python now

<soon> almost too simple ... I'l just try to log in again ... :-)

<somerville32> The source came with a script to compile the python so I was like "why use it"

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: dh_python mainly finds on which version of python the package should depend

<cga> TheSheep, it worked. btw: the faulty rc was 0KB size.

<cga> now i have a new one

<cga> thanks

<soon> heh! Thats done it - thx!

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, What about those other packages you mentioned? Should I investigate?

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: and replaces ${python:Depends} in debian/control

<somerville32> Ah, ok, so should I remove my python dep and put that in?

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: yes

<Gloubiboulga> it's a policy

<cga> going to eat now. see you later folks

<Gloubiboulga> the package won't be accepted if it doesn't follow this policy

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Should I remove my dep on python and replace it with ${Python:Depends} ?

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<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: yep

<somerville32> Does it autodetect the need for other python related packages like pygtk?

<zOap> how do I turn of the "remember last text" in the run dialog?

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Since my package doesn't provide any modules, I don't need to use python-support or python-center, right?

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: I think that you need it

<somerville32> "If your package provides modules (either public or privates), you should use python-support or python-central to bytecompile them at installation time. Choose one of them and follow the specific instructions below."

<Gloubiboulga> hmm

* somerville32 is starting to get confused. :(

<gnomefreak> i thought python-central or python-support was needed anyway

<Gloubiboulga> gnomefreak: I think so

<gnomefreak> 90%+ of the py packages in repos atm have one or the other as a depends

<gnomefreak> more so pycentral

* gnomefreak hasnt read the new policy for python yet :(

* Gloubiboulga tries to find an example

<gnomefreak> i would say OO.o but too many modules

<gnomefreak> update-manager?

<gnomefreak> not sure if it uses modules but why would it need to?

<tsmithe> somerville32, you having trouble creating debian python packages?

<somerville32> tsmithe: I guess. This is my first package from scratch

<tsmithe> mine too

* tsmithe having troubles as well

<tsmithe> also, does anyone understand this:

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: galternatives is a good example I think

<somerville32> python-central is for managing modules

<tsmithe> sorry for the miniflood:

<tsmithe> xfce4: Depends: xfwm4-themes (>= 4.3.99.1-1) but 4.3.90.2-0ubuntu1 is installed.

<tsmithe> Depends: xfce4-icon-theme (>= 4.3.99.1-1) but 4.3.90.2-0ubuntu1 is installed.

<tsmithe> Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.3.99.1-1) but 4.3.90.2svn+r22852-0ubuntu5 is installed.

<somerville32> python-support is for bytecode

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: python-{central,python} do the same work AFAIK

<somerville32> (for modules)

<tsmithe> but i don't want a module!

<Gloubiboulga> tsmithe: you're trying to install a feisty package on edgy

<tsmithe> nope

<tsmithe> Gloubiboulga, all my repos are feisty

<Gloubiboulga> ah, no

<TheSheep> xfce4 got removed from feisty, I think

<gnomefreak> but you have the edgy packages by the looks of it

<Gloubiboulga> you try to install debian packages

<tsmithe> ?

<Gloubiboulga> 4.3.99.1-1

<tsmithe> i just removed and reinstalled all those packages

<gnomefreak> thats edgy

<Gloubiboulga> it's a debian package version, not ubuntu

<tsmithe> i still get the problem

<TheSheep> I mean the "xfce4" meta-package

<gnomefreak> 4.3.90 is edgy

<gnomefreak> sorry

<gnomefreak> 4.3.99 is feisty

<Gloubiboulga> gnomefreak: and feisty too

<Gloubiboulga> I didn't update those packages

<tsmithe> hang on

<gnomefreak> feisty still has some 4.3.90?

<tsmithe> i've got a pastebin

<gnomefreak> ahh

<Gloubiboulga> (since there's been no change)

<tsmithe> here's the apt-cache policy

<tsmithe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35169/

<Gloubiboulga> ah ok, I see

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, galternatives does not use either

<Gloubiboulga> xfce4 has benn synced

<somerville32> Just dh_python

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: it uses python-support (in edgy)

<tsmithe> Gloubiboulga, so, should i file a bug?

<somerville32> I'm in dapper

<somerville32> Doh :(

<Gloubiboulga> tsmithe: yep

<gnomefreak> somerville32: dapper = old py policy

<Gloubiboulga> please :)

<tsmithe> i am in the process of

* gnomefreak needs coffee

<tsmithe> why has my connection dropped from 200KiB/s to 55KiB/s

<tsmithe> ??

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Maybe I need to make the application a module?

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: no

<somerville32> Thats what galternatives looks like

<TheSheep> tsmithe: sorry, I tripped over your cable ;)

<Gloubiboulga> just call dh_pysupport or dh_pycentral in the rules

<tsmithe> TheSheep, it's been like this for ages

<TheSheep> tsmithe: yeah, I keep tripping, I should be more careful

<tsmithe> Gloubiboulga, https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfce4/+bug/74246

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 74246 in xfce4 "[Feisty] xfce4 synced, but not dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]

<tsmithe> there you go

<tsmithe> that's right, right?

<Gloubiboulga> yep

<Gloubiboulga> tsmithe: I guess that we won't fix it now

<tsmithe> ?

<Gloubiboulga> it'll be fixed when we upload the final Xfce release

<tsmithe> when's that?

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<gnomefreak> are we seeing xfce4 stable in feisty?

<Gloubiboulga> tsmithe: december or january

<Gloubiboulga> tsmithe: we've never used this xfce4 package in xubuntu

<tsmithe> cool... i thought it was going to "release when it's ready"

<somerville32> My package keeps failing to build

<somerville32> and I don't know why :/

<somerville32> install *.pyc /usr/lib/pyNeighborhood

<somerville32> install: target `/usr/lib/pyNeighborhood' is not a directory

<Gloubiboulga> somerville32: it's a DESTDIR issue

<somerville32> How do I fix? :]

<Gloubiboulga> $(MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/pyneighborhood/usr

<Gloubiboulga> s/prefix/DESTDIR

<Gloubiboulga> and it should be OK

<Gloubiboulga> hum, wait

<Gloubiboulga> $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/pyneighborhood/

<somerville32> Can I put that in the Makefile instead?

<Gloubiboulga> no, it belongs to the debian/rules

<somerville32> $(MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/pyneighborhood/usr DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/pyneighborhood ?

<Gloubiboulga> the prefix thing is useless since you define it when you run the ./configure

<somerville32> Alrighty

* somerville32 rebuilds package.

<somerville32> Lets hope it works this time

<gnomefreak> wouldnt it be ok adding $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/pyneighborhood/ to debian/rules?

<Gloubiboulga> gnomefreak: it's what somerville32 is doing :)

<gnomefreak> oh ok

<gnomefreak> ;)

<somerville32> make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/pyneighborhood-0.3'

<somerville32> Makefile:22: *** missing separator. Stop.

<Gloubiboulga> hum

<Gloubiboulga> make sur you have a tab, and not several spaces

<Gloubiboulga> at the beginning of line 22 that is

<tsmithe> w000000000t

<tsmithe> my package built!!!

<tsmithe> now...

<tsmithe> how do i get it into universe?

<tsmithe> hang on

<somerville32> Upload to revu and get someone to approve it

<tsmithe> ok

<tsmithe> hmm...

<somerville32> Did you install pbuilder?

<tsmithe> no

<somerville32> Then how do you know it builds?

<tsmithe> dpkg-buildpackage

<tsmithe> it did with dpkg-buildpackage

<tsmithe> or is that not good enough?

<somerville32> Yeah, new error! :)

<somerville32> make: dh_pycentral: Command not found

<Gloubiboulga> do you use a feisty pbuilder?

<tsmithe> somerville32, i just copied and edited the debian/ files and relateds from galternatives!

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, yup

<somerville32> I'm thinking I left out a build-dep

<Gloubiboulga> python-central I guess ;)

<tsmithe> right...

* tsmithe afk to logout

* somerville32 is so close. :)

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, I think it worked

<somerville32> Yup. :)

<Gloubiboulga> congrats ;)

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Once it is processed, will you review? :]

<Gloubiboulga> sure

<somerville32> Hmm...

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, It doesn't seem to have updated

<somerville32> I see "Comments for upload of December 03 08:05 (debdiff)", and the debdiff has the changes

<somerville32> However, the stuff up top still has the told stuff

<somerville32> OH!

<somerville32> It creates a new page

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3616

<somerville32> :]

* tsmithe is back

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, How is it going?

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<esc> hi all

<tsmithe> hi

<somerville32> Hi :)

<luckyone> anyone in here run beryl with xfce?

<Gloubiboulga> not now, but yes

<luckyone> Gloubiboulga: how hard was it to set up, the beryl wiki makes it look pretty easy with edgy

<luckyone> Gloubiboulga: also, what were your gripes with it?

<Gloubiboulga> I made it work pretty easily

<Gloubiboulga> but I don't remember how...

<luckyone> np, why did you quit using it?

<somerville32> Gloubiboulga, Hey. Can you review? :)

<Gloubiboulga> because it's totally useless

<Gloubiboulga> and it breaks my virtual desktops

<Gloubiboulga> I don't like to wait 1.5 second to close a window, just to see an animation

<luckyone> so that is a pretty big gripe then

<luckyone> I ran compiz about 8 months ago and my desktop was super fast and responsive, beryl isn't that good then?

<Gloubiboulga> it is

<Gloubiboulga> but I don't see the point of all this

<Gloubiboulga> especially on Xfce

<luckyone> I quit using compiz though becuase it wouldn't let me do thinks like maximize eclipse/play games

<luckyone> I like the idea because it uses the 3d chips on the video cards to render the desktop, it takes advantage of what is already in *most* computers

<Gloubiboulga> but not all

<Gloubiboulga> ;)

<luckyone> right

<Gloubiboulga> If you can read french : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/applications/beryl

<Gloubiboulga> I've used this to set up beryl on my box

<luckyone> unfortunately, I cannot... stupid american schools

<Gloubiboulga> with a different way to run it at Xfce startup though

<luckyone> the beryl wiki looks pretty solid

<luckyone> did you set it up to run http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php?title=Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX

<Gloubiboulga> luckyone: yep, I used something like that

<Gloubiboulga> I have to go...

<luckyone> Gloubiboulga: adios

<ac7ss> How do you change the keyboard to dvorak in XFCE?

<ac7ss> How do you change the keyboard to dvorak in XFCE?

<ac7ss> anyone home?

<somerville32> Hi

<ac7ss> hi. any support availible?

<somerville32> Yup.

<somerville32> :]

<ac7ss> how do you change the keyboard layout in XFCE

<ac7ss> do you know where I can find out?

<somerville32> http://help.ubuntu.com/

<somerville32> Als, try the Keyboard Layout switcher applet

<ac7ss> that didn't help.

<ac7ss> I will try the layout switcher.

<ac7ss> I installed Ubuntu. but want XFCE for my personal WM.

<HumanPrototype> where does xfce store the info on what the background is and what the menu layout is?

<ac7ss> what apps would be best to add?

<somerville32> HumanPrototype: :~/.config/xfce4/desktop

<ac7ss> thank you...

<HumanPrototype> somerville32, thanks

<somerville32> :]

<HumanPrototype> now does anybody know where those files would be on the install cd?

<TheSheep> HumanPrototype: /etc/xdg/

<HumanPrototype> TheSheep, thanks, your a star

<cclampblue1> whats kernel panic not syncing?

<somerville32> Hmm?

<cclampblue1> it has been taking me about three tries. sometimes i get what looks like a memory address and that kernel panic not syncing or something

<tsmithe> kernel panic not syncing = can't mount root device or some such thing

<tsmithe> it's a bit vague

<cclampblue1> three tries to boot.

<tsmithe> and either a hardware problem, or a kernel bug, in which case you should file it

<tsmithe> it happens at boot?

<tsmithe> i'd expect tha

<tsmithe> *that

<cclampblue1> yea , something up

<tsmithe> either dead hardware, or bad configuration

<tsmithe> what's the exact error?

<cclampblue1> i havent written it down. im on the machinie now. it will boot. but it takes a few tries to get all the way in

<cclampblue1> its also a laptop so hell i dont know.

<tsmithe> is it sata?

<tsmithe> did it work before?

<tsmithe> what have you changed?

<cclampblue1> nothing really. i dont think

<tsmithe> did you do an upgrade?

<tsmithe> if you're on it now, how are you using it?

<cclampblue1> it is also saying it decreases the available memory before it starts up. i have to hit f1 to make it run.

<cclampblue1> it will boot.. i just have to hit the power and try again. sometimes it also freezes up after the "Starting up..." message

<tsmithe> "Starting up"?

<tsmithe> what release are you running?

<cclampblue1> 6.10

<cclampblue1> edgy elf

<somerville32> eft ... not elf :]

<tsmithe> so

<cclampblue1> i know. elf is a lot better

<cclampblue1> imagine the logos

<tsmithe> try running without the quiet and adding the single option to the grub kernel line

<tsmithe> you can do this at boot by pressing escape, then e, then down to the kernel line, then e

<tsmithe> then edit

<tsmithe> and enter

<tsmithe> and b

<tsmithe> to boot

<cclampblue1> all that every time i boot?

<cclampblue1> what do quiet and single option do?

<tsmithe> no

<tsmithe> just to debug the problem

<tsmithe> quiet turns off the boot messages

<tsmithe> single boots to single user moe

<tsmithe> *mode

<cclampblue1> ok cool. will it keep it in single user mode?

<tsmithe> no

<tsmithe> it's temporary

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Wow, that's a weird coincidence...

<PuMpErNiCkLe> A guy in here this morning asks how to encrypt his HDD, and now there's a news article about it on Osnews.com. O.o

<somerville32> link?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Osnews.com

<PuMpErNiCkLe> It's on the front page.

<somerville32> Xubuntu specific?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Nope.

<JKnife> prob. ext3 specific

<somerville32> You think the article and the individual are somehow connected? (ie. The author)?

<tsmithe> theres been a long discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list about hd encryption

<PuMpErNiCkLe> No, that's the point. "coincidence", you see...

* JKnife pokes PuMpErNiCkLe

<somerville32> heh

* JKnife pokes somerville32 twice

<somerville32> Ow

<JKnife> how do i list contents of a package that is already installed?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> dpkg -L packagename

<JKnife> OKIES!

<JKnife> =\ yeah the pypanel package is fubared

<JKnife> mo binary or script

<somerville32> Worked for me in dapper

<JKnife> join #greenninja

<somerville32> I'm busy :]

<JKnife> /etc/pypanelrci will paste the output..

<JKnife> XD

<somerville32> !pastebin

<ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)

<JKnife> this way would be quicker XD

<zOap> how can I set volume up/down/mute buttons in xubuntu?

<JKnife> use the sound panel plugin?

<sam_uk> hi all, i am just about to buy a amd64 machine. does that mean i will use seperate repositaries?

<sam_uk> if i install the 64bit version of xubuntu

<PuMpErNiCkLe> No, it'll be the same repositories. You'll be using the AMD64 packages, though.

<sam_uk> and there are less of them ?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Pretty much the same number as there are for i386.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> There are a few exceptions, like Flash, but that's about it.

<sam_uk> or is all the 32 bit ubuntu software also availible in 64bit?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Flash is a special application that requires a few tweaks to run in 64bit linux.

<JKnife> you can run the i386 version on a 64bit machine.. (if flash is THAT important to you)

<sam_uk> OK thanks, in particular i am interested in multimedia stuff https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/MetapackagesBreakdown?highlight=%28ubuntu%29%7C%28studio%29

* Zeqfreed finally recoded all his mp3s and now can't decide what is better: mpd or xmms2, because everything is fine in both of them :(

<sam_uk> i assume the same would be true of the debian repos if i decided to go that way?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Seeing as they use essentially the same process, most likely it would be true.

<sam_uk> thanks

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<esc> hi, anyone know an ncurses based tool for editing /etc/netwrok/interfaces

<maxamillion> uhmm... i think nano is ncurses based

* maxamillion could be wrong though

<maxamillion> !dav-text

<ubotu> dav-text: A minimalist ncurses-based text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-5 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 108 kB

<maxamillion> :)

* JKnife kicks maxamillion

<maxamillion> OUCH!

<maxamillion> no need for that!