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<theCore> Burgwork, ping

<Burgwork> theCore: pong

<theCore> hello

<Burgwork> greetings

<Burgwork> what can I do for you?

<theCore> can I ask you something weird?

<Burgwork> shoot

<theCore> could you join #ubuntu-trivia, and say my nick. I am doing a quiz and nobody succeed to my "evil" question, which is "Find and convince a Ubuntu member to join this channel."

<theCore> wanted to test people for good manners :)

<theCore> Burgwork, ^

<Burgwork> so are you running it or participating?

<theCore> I'm running it

<paul__> hey all

<dennister> hello fellow canucks! anyone awake?

<paul__> yes I am

<paul__> hi dennister

<dennister> oh hi paul :) whereabouts r u located?

<paul__> near windsor ontario

<paul__> and u

<dennister> tranna

<dennister> lol...u know where that is, don't u?

<paul__> oh yeah....how's the weather there

<dennister> rainy and windy :(

<paul__> you're getting the weather we had this morning...bizzare now it's 2 and broken clouds

<paul__> so how long you've been with ubuntu

<dennister> off and on for a few months now...i thought i'd check out this channel to see if anyone knew about ubuntu-ca's status as a possible NPO

<paul__> don't know

<paul__> i've just started using ubuntu

<paul__> so i'm here to learn more about it

<dennister> what would u like to know?

<paul__> well, i guess all i can

<paul__> i'm using an older computer and I'm impressed

<paul__> what i would like to try is making my laptop go ubuntu

<dennister> ahh...i'm afraid I've been away from laptops for awhile, although I still occasionally use them at work, that's a winblows environment

<paul__> i see

<paul__> so your desktop is what?

<dennister> my system builder uses ubuntu for his laptop though, and it's older equipment too...have to look him up...yeah, I have a home theatre pc here

<paul__> and you're off windows

<dennister> not quite in the desktop category, as I have the lamp server as my base

<paul__> i see

<dennister> depends what you mean by "off windows"?

<paul__> not using windows as your OS

<dennister> i still have xp mce on my other drive here, and my son still uses xp on his desktop

<paul__> can't get away from it....

<dennister> well, until I can get us totally migrated away from windoze, no...but I'm working on it :)

<paul__> yes same here

<paul__> i'm using my daughter's computer...she had problems with it, so i'm borrowing it to fix it

<paul__> so until after Christmas, I can experiment on it with Ubuntu and maybe a few other linux os

<dennister> my 2 biggest hurdles are collaborating with other researchers, with word and endnote, and the fact that my hauppauge tuner has been shipped back to NY for an rma, which means that i have to use a windows-only tuner for the time being

<dennister> hi PFA

<paul__> i see

<PFA> hi dennister?

<dennister> i don't have a tv anymore, i junked the HDTV, so tuners and downloading are my main escape

<dennister> yes PFA?

<paul__> oh yeah? interesting

<PFA> uh.............

<paul__> so your computer is your primary source of entertainment

<dennister> yeah, and books are so expensive for me...if i don't watch the tube a bit all I'd do is work constantly

<dennister> yes, that, books, and my son and his friends

<paul__> so a busy life you lead

<dennister> luckily i like to read great novels more than once, heheheh

<paul__> so what are you reading now?

<dennister> in a way it's busy...i do a fair amount of volunteer work, too...i just finished reading The Untouchable, by John Bannville

<paul__> a rich full life

<paul__> not familiar with the book

<dennister> he won the Booker Prize last year for The Sea...beautiful, dark, suspenseful writing

<paul__> interesting

<dennister> and as far as 'rich' is concerned, i don't know about that, lol...i don't have a paying job, as I'm disabled, so I have to keep my mind busy or go totally nuts

<dennister> what about u?

<paul__> well....work takes a lot of time right now,

<dennister> what kind of work?

<paul__> I'm with The Salvation Army

<dennister> how neat :) yes, it's a busy time of year for u folks

<paul__> that's for sure, kettles, hampers, toys....and then book work

<paul__> etc etc etc

<paul__> so what research do you do

<dennister> r u an accountant when u say 'book work'?

<paul__> no...just general administration

<dennister> ok, well have u ever heard of Imagine Canada?

<paul__> tell me more about it

<dennister> aout 3 years ago the Canadian Centre for Philanthropy merged with the National Council of Voluntary Organizations to become Imagine Canada

<paul__> interesting

<paul__> I'm just went over to the website

<paul__> so it is to support volunteer organizations and charitable groups

<dennister> we do a lot of national research, advocacy, and support of charities across the country with our research...we're basically a think tank

<dennister> yepper

<paul__> for NGO and non-profit groups?

<dennister> mainly registered charities

<paul__> sounds interesteing

<paul__> interesting

<dennister> one thing we do consistently is in conjunction with Statistic Canada, it's the National Survey of Giving, Volunteering, and Participating

<paul__> i see so you're the group that tells us how many canadians volunteer and that sort of thing

<dennister> a great deal of the research on philantrhopy in Canada is published by us, or our partnerships with other orgs like the Conference baord of Canada, and other think tanks, including government bodies

<dennister> yep,,,statistics, best practices, advocacy in ottawa for the sector, u name it...we also have one of the largest libraries on the nonprofit sector in Canada, second only to Volutneer Canada

<paul__> so what is some of the research on philantrhopy

<dennister> did u know we have the second largest nonprofit sector in the world? second only to the Netherlands?

<paul__> no I didn't

<dennister> bigger than in the usa

<paul__> that is interesting, you would think that the usa is bigger

<paul__> what with the fact that government is more willing to let the voluntary sector do things

<dennister> that was the finding of one research project we did last year in conjunction with the John Hopkins Center

<paul__> while here, the thought is government is more involved.

<dennister> actually, it's because our hospitals and universities are all nonprofits, unlike the US whose universities and hospitals are so much in the private sector

<paul__> i see, that makes sense then

<dennister> those hospitals and universities have huge staff contingents

<paul__> that's true, even the smallest is large

<dennister> and the costs involved in those institutions are also huge

<paul__> so my children tell me

<dennister> anyway, what i do as a volunteer at Imagine has mostly been developing a database of re-usable APA 5th-compliant records that they can use for their papers' bibliographies

<dennister> and then lately i started up a volunteer program to handle the incoming requests to volunteer with us

<paul__> APA stands for

<dennister> American Psychological Association...its a style manual for publications...like MLA that you'd use for a university english or history essay

<paul__> understand.... I think my book was "Turabian" after the author

<dennister> it's extremely difficult and picky to master...hence my use of Endnote as the software that manages the bibliographical records and plops them into Word add-in templates

<dennister> Turabian? you wrote a book?

<paul__> no

<paul__> 'my book', simply means the book that was the authority for style when I was in University, way back in the day

<dennister> o i c...well anyway, i went to a ubuntu users meeting the other night, and want to help, but wanted to know if Ubuntu Canada was, in any way, an NPO...we're trying to get organized

<paul__> is it? or is it a general group

<dennister> it's specifically for Ubuntu...we want to market and spread it

<paul__> a very good idea

<dennister> the thing is, if we're going to get organized, we need to have some systems in place, like how to deal with finances, and it would help if we were at least registered as an NPO

<paul__> true and it seems like becoming a npo would fit well with the general philosophy of ubuntu

<paul__> "Humanity to others" would seem to indicate a community based organization

<dennister> my strength is in HR, volunteer recruitment and such, but I hesitate to recruit for an organization if I think the expectation is to always pay out of your own pocket for expenses

<paul__> which usually is the case for smaller groups

<dennister> i think expenses should be paid by the nonprofit, and we can get sponsorships and the like, but then we also have to be clear about our legal status before we approach other organizations

<paul__> certainly.... most organizations would want to know if the group has some sort of registration

<dennister> exactly

<paul__> so having some sort of recognition would help

<paul__> and indeed the potential of ubuntu is quite good

<paul__> I mean, you can't beat "free", and by that I mean getting the operating system.

<dennister> one of the reasons why I like working for Imagine Canada is that they're very professional, and give you the tools you need to do your task...I don't mind putting the systems, registrations, and such in place if they don't exist, but I want there to be non-monetary support for "doing it right" from on high

<paul__> yes

<paul__> i wonder if Canonical would want to establish something like that to assist with the development of Ubuntu

<dennister> otherwise I'd just feel embarassed...i don't want the loco to go the way of, say Pride toronto

<paul__> is Pride Toronto that bad?

<dennister> everything is always seat-of-the-pants...they're always in huge debt...they've accomplished a HUGE amount of recognition and achievement, don't get me wrong

<wikityler> !dapper

<ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".

<paul__> and a bit madcap and chaotic?

<dennister> but the representatives of the committee's that get the press always sound bitter, angry, and whining about the lack of financial support...i don't think it does much for the reputations of the people involved in organizing it

<paul__> usually doesn't but it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, and media

<paul__> hostile people always look better on tv then rational

<dennister> i worked in high-tech HR sales... you get more with honey than with vinegar, and most of the org committee's sound-bites are very vinegary

<paul__> you're right, usually if you treat others well......i wonder if that's a strategy, let the ranters go on the air and complain

<paul__> while the real work gets done away from the camera lights

<dennister> unfortunately, in the case of Pride Toronto, the event gets good publicity, but the people who organize it make themselves look bad/incompetent

<paul__> i take it there's no real board

<dennister> i don't think they have much strategy :) that's the problem

<paul__> besides the parade

<paul__> i assume

<dennister> i don't know...i used to go to Pride every year for many, many years...I also lived in that community for a long time, a block away from the main party, but the organizers' rantings ended up turning me off the whole thing

<paul__> ranting is okay once in a while, but when it becomes constant

<paul__> people quickly ignore it

<dennister> and it does nothing positive for their financial balance sheet -- or the cause

<paul__> true

<paul__> people just dismiss it... "oh yes, it's just Them again"

<dennister> u got it :) but we had a good meeting on wednesday...i think there was a lot of agreement around the table

<paul__> always a good start

<paul__> well, it's time for me to turn in

<paul__> nice chatting with you

<dennister> and here i am, rewriting the home pages from a marketing and recruitment perspective...well good night

<paul__> good night as well

<paul__> back to work eh?

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<lophyte> morning all

<zzsimonb> hi there, i was wondering if someone could offer a newbie some help?

<zzsimonb> I am trying to load ubuntu on some laptops, they have no cd, so i am using root-boot and then trying to net install

<zzsimonb> it get to running debootstrap --arch etc etc and it resolves dependencies and then just returns to the # prompt

<zzsimonb> the stuff i read said that it should install at thet point

<lophyte> I've never done a net install before.. sorry :\

<zzsimonb> ok thanks

<jamonation> hi lophyte

<lophyte> hey

<lophyte> I bought that laptop

<lophyte> going to pick it up next week.. tuesday hopefully

<lophyte> anyway I'm heading out... I think I'm gonna cancel the workshop tonight, nobody signed up

<lophyte> anyway, I'll see ya later.. gotta go.

<jamonation> ok

<lophyte> jamonation: ping

<lophyte> hi all

<lophyte> you around, jamonation?

<jamonation> lophyte: pong

<jamonation> hey

<lophyte> hey

<lophyte> are you at home?

<jamonation> yeah

<lophyte> going down to the caffe tonight?

<jamonation> gonna head to the cafe at about 4:30

<lophyte> ah

<lophyte> I think I'm gonna head down too

<jamonation> don't cancel, people just show up (unless you think it is best)

<jamonation> good

<jamonation> david would be mighty dissapointed otherwise

<lophyte> but I think its best not to do the workshop

<jamonation> right

<jamonation> the quantact guys recommend we install bind and do dns ourselves

<jamonation> which is a good idea I think

<lophyte> yeah I think so too

<jamonation> but, we're almost out of memory

<jamonation> does ff have to run on pgsql?

<lophyte> it doesn't have to...

<jamonation> if we could eliminate either database that would free up a lot

<lophyte> but doesn't metalug need it?

<jamonation> metalug is on mysql because most cck stuff is totally not pgsql capable

<lophyte> oh

<lophyte> I thought it was on pgsql

<lophyte> hey paul

<orian> Hi

<orian> how are you

<lophyte> anyway, I'm gonna head down, but the workshop is iffy... I don't have any notes or anything to go off of, and I really don't wanna wing it again

<lophyte> I'm good, you?

<orian> good. having some sound problems with edgy on my thinkpad x60

<orian> Sound was working good for about a week then nothing. I have searched and search forums for a fix but nothing

<lophyte> strange

<orian> I have heard that there is a bug reported about this

<lophyte> are you at the linuxcaffe?

<orian> no wish i was

<lophyte> ah

<orian> are you going to be there this week?

<lophyte> probably

<lophyte> if you don't see me, jamon's there often, too

<orian> I look for you or jamon. thanks

<lophyte> anyway, I think I'm gonna head down for a bit

<lophyte> bbl

<orian> see ya

<dominussuus> anyone here going to the caffe this evening?

<dominussuus> (in Toronto)

<jamonation> I am

<jamonation> so that makes lophyte and i at least

<bhearsum> is there a meeting tonight?

<jamonation> bhearsum: seems unlikely, that is I don't think there is a formal workshop

<jamonation> but there will be at least 2 or 3 people there anyways

<bhearsum> ahh

<dominussuus> well I'm there

<dominussuus> (like, now) but I have to leave fairly early - yeah, it's just a n00b workshop :P

<jamonation> right, cool

<jamonation> leaving shortly for the cafe myself

<dominussuus> k, I'm orange shirt by the door :-P

<jamonation> ok

<jamonation> there you are

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