<cellofellow> and make sure the third number on the local host matches the third number for the router.

<vidd> that....or change the ROUTER to match (and pray)

<cellofellow> only the fourth can be used to designate the host.

* vidd is thinking of reassigning all ip's in his network to the same as NASA's

<vidd> Just for S&G

<vidd> see if it will work

<cellofellow> NASA has a huge network. They probably use a 10.*.*.* address.

* vidd thinks that you can use ANY ip's behind your router

<cellofellow> you can, as long as they are in the reserved set of addresses. 10.*.*.*, 192.168.*.*, and there was another one.

<bigfuzzyjesus> ill just leave the router at default and reset the freenas box , brb i have to unconnect this moniter etc.

<cellofellow> every 192.168.*.* network can have only 255 hosts.

<vidd> well....yeah

<vidd> cuzz you can only use values 0-255

<cellofellow> 10.*.*.* nets can be bigger cause they can do 255 to the third power.

<vidd> but each router connected to host can have a different value assigned

<cellofellow> you would have to start subnetting if you get about 200 hosts on a 192.168.*.* network.

<cellofellow> 255 subnets, 255 hosts per subnet.

<vidd> at one time, i had 5 routers connected to a cable modem....

<vidd> the first one had 4 connected to it....

<cellofellow> depends whether they have NAT's or not.

<vidd> and each router had a different network ip range

<bigfuzzyjesus> oh jeez

<bigfuzzyjesus> free NAS is just too easy

<bigfuzzyjesus> it seems like there has to be a hitch

<bigfuzzyjesus> brb i have to put the server back in its hole

<vidd> there is bigfuzzyjesus .... you have to double-check your security

<vidd> =]

<bigfuzzyjesus> im back

<vidd> cellofellow, they all used 255.255.255.0 subnet, just different 192.168.*.

* vidd didn't NOTICE any issues.....

<vidd> =\

<cellofellow> that's cause the routers would just forward to each other.

<bigfuzzyjesus> oh crap

<bigfuzzyjesus> brb again

<vidd> of cource, HAVING an issue and NOTICING an issue could be 2 different things

<cellofellow> It's just inneficient to use those many NATs. Switches would work better.

<vidd> the routers were free....

<vidd> =]

<cellofellow> oh, well then... :]

<vidd> and USUALLY, 5 disposable routers is cheaper then one quality switch

<vidd> well....acquisition-wise

<bigfuzzyjesus> ok

<bigfuzzyjesus> i think it will work

<bigfuzzyjesus> have reset ip and set to factory settings and now it is booting

<vidd> wb Jester45

<vidd> !seen commander-crowe

<ubotu> I last saw Commander-Crowe (n=thomas@dialup-4.246.222.147.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) 5h 29m 2s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection

<bigfuzzyjesus> yessss

<bigfuzzyjesus> sss

<bigfuzzyjesus> ss

<bigfuzzyjesus> s

<vidd> bigfuzzyjesus, all up and running?

<bigfuzzyjesus> it woks

<bigfuzzyjesus> no

<bigfuzzyjesus> now its running

<bigfuzzyjesus> so i can configure it

<bigfuzzyjesus> heh

<vidd> lol

<bigfuzzyjesus> i dont think i will connect it to the internet, i will go with your idea, it sounds better/more secure/easier/makes more sence

<bigfuzzyjesus> sense

<bigfuzzyjesus> sooo

<bigfuzzyjesus> how do i ssh connect to an ubuntu computer

* vidd needs to find a different home for his p0rn

<bigfuzzyjesus> or remote connect

<cellofellow> yeah, leave its ports closed. You still have to tell it what the gateway is so it can update its clock.

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, if i get the .5 terabyte drive i want for christmas i will give you 10 gigs of space

<vidd> bigfuzzyjesus, ill put in a word with santa =]

<bigfuzzyjesus> the gateway on my router is 192.168.1.1

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, im not joking, it would give me p0rn too, is there a downside

<vidd> bigfuzzyjesus, you just want free access to my stuff;)

<cellofellow> no no, the router IS a gateway, a kind of computer.

<bigfuzzyjesus> is that what i should you (192.168.1.1)

<bigfuzzyjesus> i know

<bigfuzzyjesus> i was double checking

<bigfuzzyjesus> thats what i should use

<bigfuzzyjesus> 192.168.1.1

<bigfuzzyjesus> right?

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, exactly

<bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, is that what i should use

<vidd> bigfuzzyjesus, only about 6 federal laws....

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, laws are guidelines

<bigfuzzyjesus> i gotta go to dinner

<bigfuzzyjesus> be back in a few

<bigfuzzyjesus> if you care to know heh

<vidd> and you only go to jail if your caught....

* vidd is out

* vidd has to switch to laptop

<bigfuzzyjesus> crap crap crap

<bigfuzzyjesus> its not working now

<cellofellow> bigfuzzyjesus: sorry, yes. whatever the INTERNAL ip address of your router is is the gateway address.

<bigfuzzyjesus> how do i get that

<bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, how do i get that

<cellofellow> um

<cellofellow> try http://192.168.1.1 in a browser

<cellofellow> did you get your router config page?

<cellofellow> bigfuzzyjesus: hello?

<bigfuzzyjesus> back

<bigfuzzyjesus> yeah

<bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, yeah thats how i get my router config

<bigfuzzyjesus> but i screwed up nas so i have to reset it again

<bigfuzzyjesus> brb

* JKnife slaps vidd

<JKnife> bigfuzzyjesus: o.O giving vidd 10gb for his p0rn? uhmm.. i may need to leech that

<bigfuzzyjesus> back

<bigfuzzyjesus> JKnife, he is going to have a login, its not going to be a free for all

<bigfuzzyjesus> JKnife, and there is a lot of if's in the whole idea

<vidd> bigfuzzyjesus, JKnife i wont be storing p0rn anyway

<JKnife> LIES!

<JKnife> :)

<vidd> bigfuzzyjesus, could be under age...

<bigfuzzyjesus> bigfuzzyjesus, you and your "morals"

<vidd> which makes it a violation of 6 federal laws

<bigfuzzyjesus> 6?

<vidd> contributing to the dilinquency of a minor, unlawful distribution, unlawful distribution across state lines, ....

<bigfuzzyjesus> thats 3

<bigfuzzyjesus> are you a cop or somthing geez

<JKnife> .... = 3 more XD

<JKnife> vidd: then how many are google breaking?

<vidd> illegal use of internet technology to comit a felony

<JKnife> vidd: well you are not giving it to him, you are backing it up... what he does it not your fault

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, are you a cop or do you get your jollys reading law books

<bigfuzzyjesus> heh

* vidd reads entirely too much

<JKnife> a gun dealer can not be held for murder if he sold a gun to someone that goes of and shoots someone with it

<vidd> gun dealer can go to jail for selling a gun to someone who sells a gun to a criminal

<Commander-Crowe> hey all

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, i read too much too, mostley usesless information too, I am a digg whore, and i read mental floss like a rabid crack head

<vidd> *wave* Commander-Crowe

<JKnife> vidd: not if he did it by the book

<bigfuzzyjesus> hello Commander-Crowe

* JKnife slaps Commander-Crowe

<Commander-Crowe> I have 2 monitors

<Commander-Crowe> I want to use them both

<Commander-Crowe> give me a tut

<JKnife> man xorg.conf

<JKnife> and set up to Screens and 2 VIdeo cards

<Commander-Crowe> its a sigle video card

<Commander-Crowe> single*

<JKnife> no clue.. search the forums XD

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, when it asks for dns servers to connect to the internet for the time does it mean the gateway?

<vidd> Commander-Crowe, that script worked like a dream

<bigfuzzyjesus> Commander-Crowe, does it have 2 seperate ports

<bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, times out alot

<bigfuzzyjesus> vidd, do i use my gateway

<vidd> not sure about for setting up for time servers

<vidd> i just use the built in one

<vidd> Commander-Crowe, i got no errors using it at all

<darrend> bigfuzzyjesus: I shut my laptop down, so the connection from there broke. I've also been upgrading my desktop machines tonight, so a few logins/outs from those too. Sorry if it bothers you.

<bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, not in the least, i just found it strange

<darrend> I think it normally disconnects with a timeout as I rarely logout, I just suspend or hibernate the laptop

<Jester45> vidd: so its possible to use 2 video cards at once

<vidd> .... i suppose so

<Jester45> vidd: what about 3?

<vidd> i would imagine

<Jester45> sweet

<vidd> if you can use two, you can use 2000

<Jester45> ima gonna set that up

<Jester45> i got 3 video cards

<Jester45> and 2 extra moniters

<Jester45> gonnaput the intergraded card on a cli

<Jester45> and one for games

<Jester45> and other for desktop

<Jester45> its gonna own

<Jester45> oo

<Jester45> i mihgt get my tv out port working

<Jester45> then i could make i big screen a moniter

<bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, you have a screen fetish

* vidd has like 5 cards laying around

<vidd> 3 are pci....

<vidd> maybe ill set up some

* vidd will need to get some moniters

<Jester45> vidd: a store close to me sell moniters for $3-5

<vidd> i have to get more counter-space

<Jester45> vidd: they get them for free

<Jester45> older crts

<Jester45> like 18 inch

<Jester45> still very good price

<vidd> yeah

<delaney> Hi folks. I have a small question. My menu on xfce running on xubuntu 6.10 has suddenly added another Category to the System portion.. namely "Other". it used to look like *THIS SCREENSHOT* http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meditationtj9.png but now it looks like that but has a NEW option called OTHER. I would like to remove that seeing as how it really has nothing in it.

<delaney> Is anyone able to help me fix it

<crimsun> what package did you install?

<kalikiana> delaney: you can edit the item(s) in 'other' to change their categories

<delaney> kalikiana, OTHER is a portion of the SYSTEM entry in the menu. Meaning its not editable

<delaney> Crimsun the last thing i installed was zsnes and i removed it thinking it would go away

<delaney> it didnt...

<delaney> ive not added any other packages for weeks.

<kalikiana> delaney: i mean you can edit the .desktop file for the app which caused 'other' to display

<delaney> kalikiana, that almost helps now i need to figure out which desktop file added it

<kalikiana> delaney: gksudo thunar /usr/share/applications

<kalikiana> delaney: you should find it there; then you can edit it with mousepad

<delaney> i know where to find it im just going "wow there sure are a lot o fthings to check" lol

<delaney> actually i uess its Settings not system..

<delaney> no

<delaney> --- include --- system

<kalikiana> delaney: i am not sure what you mean; if you have a custom menu you should be able to edit it anyway

<delaney> its not a custom menu in xfce its the default menu for the most part. there is a portion of that menu that shows all the submenu options like Graphics Multimedia Network etc..

<delaney> its controlled by a menu item scripted as ---include--- System

<delaney> which NEVER had the other before and does now. im just not sure why it suddenly popped up when i havent added anything other then zsnes

<delaney> found it

<delaney> dang i have NO clue how that got installed.. which kinda freaks me out

<kalikiana> delaney: whatever it is, maybe it came with an update?

<delaney> perhaps. at least its gone

<kalikiana> delaney: i got the new software installer when i upgraded to edgy; i don't use it anyway

<delaney> gotcha

<delaney> i removed it though

<delaney> i guess i should have used my head a little more before asking another question.. i do that too often.

<delaney> checking for a list of processes then using synaptic to search for anything i didnt recognise and then remove it fixed the problem

<kalikiana> !info ftd4linux

<ubotu> ftd4linux: FTD 4 linux usenet organizer (common files). In component extras, is optional. Version 0.98.4.1-2 (edgy-seveas), package size 800 kB, installed size 2732 kB

<levander> When you are dist-upgrading, and a configuration file has changed in a package, does update-manager still let you choose whether to keep your old configuration files that you've modified or upgrade to the new configuration just like apt-get does? Or, has update-manager "simplified" the process so much, you aren't given this option?

<cellofellow> hi everybody!

<levander> I guess just nobody like cello...

<cellofellow> I guess just nobody wants to talk.

<levander> perhaps

<cellofellow> you spell your nickname wrong on purpose? :S

<levander> okay, i'll play the straight man

<levander> how is it supposed to be spelled?

<cellofellow> lavender

<levander> hahahhahaahaa

<cellofellow> brb

* kalikiana discovered 'mirage' as a nice image viewer (better than gqview)

* kalikiana is happy to see animated gifs in it :P

* bigfuzzyjesus is getting frustrated with free nas

* kalikiana wonders what free nas is/are...

<itsmabus> How do you turn the system volume up/down?

<itsmabus> And how do you access power functions like hibernate, standby, etc?

<cellofellow> itsmabus: add the volume control applet to the panel.

<kalikiana> itsmabus: there is a panel plugin for volume

<cellofellow> I don't know anything about hibernate and standby. I know if you click the Quit button it shows options for that, but they never work on my computer.

<kalikiana> Is there an easy way to change the applications assigned to file types (open with)?

<cellofellow> I don't know where Thunar keeps its MIME configs.

<cellofellow> try ~/.config/

<Cozomo> how would I mount onto a HD I just installed? the partitions on my current HD seem to be sda1-2-3 etc

<cellofellow> sudo mount /dev/foo /media/bar

<cellofellow> should work.

<kalikiana> Cozomo: open your /etc/fstab, copy another one, modify it and do 'sudo mount -a' ;)

<itsmabus> cellofellow + kalikiana : thanks

<itsmabus> cellofellow: clicking quit goes to the login menu and saves my session

<Cozomo> cellofellow: /media/bar does not exist

<Cozomo> oh wait my bad I can make that

<itsmabus> ha

<itsmabus> you might want to name it something other than bar, he used that as an example

<Cozomo> /dev foo doesnt exist

<Cozomo> hm

<itsmabus> same with /dev/foo

<Cozomo> I dont know what its called

<Cozomo> so how would I figure that out

<itsmabus> hdb?

<itsmabus> hdb1 ?

<Cozomo> nope nope

<itsmabus> or sdb rather

<Cozomo> nore does hda wrok

<itsmabus> sdb1

<kalikiana> Cozomo: look in /dev for ideas

* kalikiana incidentally found ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.lst to be the 'preferred apps' file

<Cozomo> so theres no way other than guessing am I right?

<pidgas> this is a support/discussion channel right?

<pidgas> I've got an issue and could use some help

<cellofellow> Cozomo: do this: ls -l /dev/sd*

<cellofellow> !anyone | pidgas

<ubotu> pidgas: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?

<pidgas> right on

<pidgas> ok

<Cozomo> cellofellow: that lists everything on my current HD, but I'm trying to mount my other HD

<pidgas> I've got xubuntu installed and running slick on my HP laptop

<cellofellow> Cozomo: then try /dev/hd*

<pidgas> I've got a presentation to make tomorrow, and tried connecting an external monitor tonight to see if it'll work

<pidgas> When I hit Fn+F4 the keyboard says it should toggle to the external display adapter

<Cozomo> cellofellow: I found hdc, I tried mounting it, but the mount program returned: no medium found

<pidgas> What happens instead is that the computer locks the session and I'm brought to the gdm login screen

<cellofellow> Cozomo: hdc is reserved for cdrom I think.

<cellofellow> pidgas: is the other session still running?

<pidgas> it seems to be, yes, but there is no output to the other monitor

<cellofellow> pidgas: what graphics chip? Intel integrated?

<pidgas> oh, right, it's an ati radeon xpress

<cellofellow> pidgas: you have the drivers installed?

<pidgas> i could be that stupid, but I think i do

<cellofellow> if you do, try this page. it's for side-by-side monitors but should be adaptable: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo

<pidgas> ok

<pidgas> that's interesting...when I boot the computer with the external monitor plugged in...my desktop displays

<cellofellow> Cozomo: HDD's show as either hd or sd. hda1 is the device file for IDE HDD 1, partition 1. If it's IDE it would be hd, if it's SCSI, SATA, or USB it'll be sd.

<cellofellow> pidgas: so, it does detect the other port.

<pidgas> yeah it appears to

<cellofellow> The wiki page says to install a program called i810switch, which looks like it will do the trick.

<Cozomo> alright

<Cozomo> thanks cellofellow I think my problem is a hardware issue

<pidgas> i810 switch, is that for the integrated i810 video?

<cellofellow> pidgas: do you read the part about intel integrated graphics? It explains it, and should work for ATI anyways, just make sure the driver is fglx or whatever the ATI is.

<pidgas> yeah

<pidgas> ok

<pidgas> i've got some things to start with

<pidgas> thanks for your help

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> Cozomo: hardware issues are still real issues. If I was a real expert I would be able to fix it, but I've never used a non-IDE harddrive. :)

<cellofellow> :(

<bigfuzzyjesus> hola

<kalikiana> hola, compañero

<kalikiana> ;)

<cellofellow> hi everybody

<cellofellow> bye by

<Wizaado> hi, anyone here?

<kalikiana> hi, wizaado

<kalikiana> konnichiwa

<Wizaado> lol

<Wizaado> konnichiwa

* kalikiana is learning japanese right now *g

<Wizaado> so am i

* kalikiana finds that a coincidence

* Wizaado does too

<Wizaado> how long have you been studying?

<kalikiana> I've been learning kana long time ago but only recently I found an online book for real studying

<kalikiana> What is your motivation?

<Wizaado> always wanted to when i was a child... then when i went to university they had the classes so i took them, now im in the 3rd semester

<Wizaado> hmm, so anyone here runs Xubunto on a notebook?

<ellioTb> i do

<ellioTbot> uptime[3w 0d 8h 50m 56s]

<ellioTb> Wizaado, i run it on this

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 62.6% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 69.30% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<Wizaado> there is power management support right... (im currently preparing for an install in a few days)

<ellioTb> yes there is

<ellioTb> what kinda notebook you putting it on

<Wizaado> sony vaio

<ellioTb> you can always boot from the live cd, and see if it works while you are running from that

<ellioTb> yeah, it should have power management drivers

<ellioTb> you can always test it

<Wizaado> thanks

<ellioTb> no prob man, xubuntu all the way!

<ellioTb> thats all i run on this notebook

<ellioTb> plus a mac osx install just to play with it

<Wizaado> same

<Wizaado> mac osx

<ellioTb> you have it on there?

<Wizaado> yea

<ellioTb> no drivers for my pccard interface

<ellioTb> so i can't get wifi

<Wizaado> nor can i

<Wizaado> and... no nvidia drivers ...

<ellioTb> don't feel like buying a usb wifi that works

<ellioTb> you tried macvidia?

<Wizaado> yea

<ellioTb> i use that when i am in mac osx on my big comp

<Wizaado> but still no acceleration

<ellioTb> oh weak

<ellioTb> i get accel in xubuntu w/included drivers

<Wizaado> cool..

<Wizaado> cuz im considering using beryl

<Wizaado> for some extra eyecandy

<ellioTb> yeah, i used to use compositor thats built into xfce

<ellioTb> has some lil transparency effects

<ellioTb> used to run beryl on my nvidia comp

<ellioTb> pretty slick

<ellioTb> how fast is your notebook?

<Wizaado> pentium M 1.73 ghz

<ellioTb> nice

<ellioTb> this is a pent M 2.2ghz

<ellioTb> with some ati onboard

<Wizaado> nice

<Wizaado> one thing... about that sway partition...

<Wizaado> 2x my ram?

<Wizaado> er

<Wizaado> swap partition

<ellioTb> i think mine is 2gigs

<ellioTb> disk[Total : 19.23GB, 69.30% Free]

<ellioTb> hrmm

<Wizaado> eh cuz my ram is 2gigs atm

<ellioTb> yeah, prolly won't need that much

<ellioTb> i have 512 and it barely gets to swap unless i am running a game

<Wizaado> ah

<ellioTb> mem[Physical : 439MB, 62.1% free | Swap : 1717MB, 100.0% free]

<ellioTb> there we go

<ellioTb> 439mb of ram, random

<Wizaado> cool..

<Wizaado> ill probably just make mine 1.5gigs or something

<Wizaado> people on the forums are like make it 2x the size of your ram.... but 4gigs is sooo unreasonable.. with so much ram..

<ellioTb> yeah, 2X if you don't have much

<ellioTb> with 2 gigs of ram, doubt you'll even touch the swap

<ellioTb> can always resize partitions later

<Wizaado> yea

<ellioTb> well good luck man, like i said, you'll see on the live install cd if your stuff works

<ellioTb> and if you like what you see, install it, you'll love it

<ellioTb> laterssssss

<Wizaado> cya

<phlasphy_008> hey all

*** phlasphy_008 is now known as phlasphy

<maxamillion> hi hi

<maxamillion> i'm "not here" ... doing homework, but hanging out idle-ish

<phlasphy> ok

<maxamillion> and looking for answers about some xffm stuff in #xfce, but that's for my job ... so still not for play :P

<maxamillion> phlasphy: but how are you anyways?

<phlasphy> i was just in there did you see me?

<phlasphy> i am crap

<maxamillion> that's no good

<phlasphy> yeah

<maxamillion> (no, didn't see you ... just felt like commenting)

<maxamillion> what's wrong?

<phlasphy> sorry

<phlasphy> i cant even instal the latest XFCE on Slackware :((((

<maxamillion> oh ... i sorry

<phlasphy> :)

<maxamillion> no xubuntu in your arsenal?

<phlasphy> nah not at the moment

<maxamillion> fair enough ... slack is good

<maxamillion> i'm just too lazy for it

<phlasphy> it would be good if i could get it working

<maxamillion> i actually run xubuntu because i got too lazy for debian :P

<phlasphy> rofl

<phlasphy> do you use XFCE?

<maxamillion> oh course

<maxamillion> i used xfce on debian for a long time before i switched to xubuntu

<phlasphy> ok

* maxamillion has been a debian user for 6 years .... xfce user for about 2 of those years

* phlasphy has been a windows user for 10 years

<phlasphy> :(

<phlasphy> is knoppix any good?

<phlasphy> i actually want to get debian

<maxamillion> knoppix is the most power you can put on a live-cd ... period

<maxamillion> it is awesome, but its just a live-cd ... nothing more

<phlasphy> so you cannot install it?

<maxamillion> you used to ... don't think so anymore, i think they took out the feature because it caused more harm than good

<phlasphy> ok

<maxamillion> oh ... i need to go

<phlasphy> cya man

<maxamillion> i will be back in a little bit (i'm on campus printing some stuff, be back once i am home)

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> anyone know how to force a device to show on the desktop?

<phlasphy> not i

<cellofellow> Where are the settings for what device icons show on the xfce desktop?

<cellofellow> max!

<maxamillion> hello

<maxamillion> i probably won't be here for long ... just hanging out, celebrating some completion of tonights homework

<cellofellow> do you know how to make a certain drive show on the desktop? One that doesn't want to show?

<cellofellow> maxamillion: ?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: kinda... there are actually issues with desktop icons because the current xfce4.4rc that is included in the xubuntu edgy release is still being worked on

<maxamillion> cellofellow: xfdesktop is kinda borked, the xubuntu devel team did _alot_ to make sure the desktop was stable enough for release

<cellofellow> is there some way though?

<cellofellow> even if it doesn't work perfectly.

<maxamillion> lemme check

<maxamillion> cellofellow: try dragging from Thunar to the desktop ... might work

<cellofellow> k.

<maxamillion> only thing i saw was how to do application icons on the desktop

<cellofellow> so, unless the device icon shows on its own it's not going to work?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: not sure to be honest, i never had that issue come up ... you could check the forums

<maxamillion> hello Commander-Crowe

<cellofellow> ah, well. forget that. In Conky... what does an outbound connection meen?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: connection from your computer to something else

<Commander-Crowe> maxamillion the tut you gave me destroyed my X server

<Commander-Crowe> I had to remove it and reinstall it

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: the X server or the xorg.conf?

<cellofellow> maxamillion: I never seen one. Inbounds galor, but never outbound.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: well, then it might be different ... not sure how conky sees it

<Commander-Crowe> X server

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: oh wow ... i'm really sorry, i've used that tutorial for 5 different machines on 3 different distros

<Commander-Crowe> thats ok

<Commander-Crowe> I think it was torn up by beryl

<Commander-Crowe> I'm not sure though

<Commander-Crowe> the error files was unclear

<Commander-Crowe> it said there was a bug in the system and it had an unidentified crash

<Commander-Crowe> But hey

<Commander-Crowe> I learned alot about X and Xorg today

<maxamillion> i run beryl at work with twinview .. also done with that tutorial

<Commander-Crowe> hm ok

<Commander-Crowe> maybe it was because the LCD can only go 1028X786 and the CRT 1600X1200

<maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: hrmmm... that's possible

<maxamillion> ok, sleep time for me

<maxamillion> night night

*** thomas_ is now known as Commander-Crowe

<Commander-Crowe> how often should I back up my system?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> A bit more often than you break it.

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> good point

<Commander-Crowe> until today my Xubuntu system has newver ad a problem

<Commander-Crowe> never*

<Commander-Crowe> had*

<phlasphy> hey all

<phlasphy> :(

<Commander-Crowe> hey

<phlasphy> what is the best FS

<phlasphy> ?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Depends on what you're using it for.

<phlasphy> umm linux

<PuMpErNiCkLe> If you don't have any specific needs, just use ext3.

<phlasphy> ok

<nosiop> is there a way to force xubuntu to use a particular graphics card while installing?

<nosiop> it boots up just fine to my PCI card, but then the install switches to my integrated graphics card (which just looks like a bunch of static when the intaller tries to use it)

<phlasphy> Commander-Crowe: you are the computer repair guy right?

<Commander-Crowe> nosiop you might have to edit the "xorg.xonf" file

<Commander-Crowe> phlasphy yes

<phlasphy> any more porn cases?

<Commander-Crowe> all the time

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> what is the most recent

<Commander-Crowe> A 55 yo female was having slowness trouble

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> why

<Commander-Crowe> I asked her if she had a husband/bf and she said no

<Commander-Crowe> so I guess the gay porn just magically appeared

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> you mean she put it there?

<nosiop> Commander-Crowe: where can I edit that?

<nosiop> is it on a ramdisk?

<Commander-Crowe> nosiop /etc/X11/xorg.conf

<Commander-Crowe> phlasphy no

<Commander-Crowe> ever hear of "o wireless.ip-relay.com ?

<nosiop> Commander-Crowe: yeah, but it's not installed yet...

<Commander-Crowe> nosiop????what?

<nosiop> I have no filesystem....

<nosiop> <nosiop> is there a way to force xubuntu to use a particular graphics card while installing?

<Commander-Crowe> erm?

<Commander-Crowe> well then you can't do much if you have nothing installed

<Commander-Crowe> anythong*

<Commander-Crowe> anything*

<nosiop> so it's impossible to install on that machine?

<nosiop> damn

<Commander-Crowe> no

<PuMpErNiCkLe> nosiop: There should be a BIOS option to disable the onboard graphics.

<Commander-Crowe> its not impossible

<nosiop> PuMpErNiCkLe: newp, I tried

<Commander-Crowe> PuMpErNiCkLe that what I was about to say

<nosiop> I can only set the "preferred boot device"

<nosiop> but I'm unable to completely disable onboard graphics

<phlasphy> big storm i need to turn pc off

<nosiop> is there a terminal-based installer?

<nosiop> that doesn't use X at all?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That's the 'alternate' install cd.

<nosiop> ahhh, ok

* nosiop downloads that

<justin_> is gksudo/sudo used in xubuntu?

<justin_> i also go to change a directory and I can't

<justin_> sudo: cd: command not found

<PuMpErNiCkLe> You don't use cd with sudo.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> You're changing your working directory with cd - sudo is a one-time priviledge escalation tool.

<Commander-Crowe> hi rag

*** grml is now known as esc_on_grml

<esc_on_grml> hi TheSheep_

<esc_on_grml> took me near a week to sort out the server room, and setup a workplace for myself with a decent machine

<esc_on_grml> oh, and i was ill 2 days

<esc_on_grml> whoups, i guess thats off topic, sorry, i'll go into pm

<tamois> can someone help me setup an automount cd?

<tamois> so that when i insert a cd it puts an icon on my desktop?

<tamois> is it possible?

<tamois> is it really that hard?

<tamois> is it not a popular request?

*** sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt

<soon> My xubuntu just broke down ... COMPLETELY! Even Alt-SysRq-b didnt work ... i.e kernel was frozen ... which log files should I look into to get wiser?

*** Laibsc1 is now known as Laibsch

<crimsun> if it froze, log files probably won't offer any clues

<crimsun> you can check /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog

<soon> so it just remains a mistery?

<soon> thanks ... ill try those ...

<rbrtoclto> I've installed banshee and rhythmbox under xubuntu dapper, they work but play through the wrong sound card

<rbrtoclto> how do I configure gstreamer to use the default alsa sound card?

<phlasphy> hey all

<phlasphy> anybody here?

<JKnife> NO!

<JKnife> XD

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> do you watch ER

<JKnife> nope

<phlasphy> why?>

* JKnife dosn't like Drama shows

<phlasphy> ok

<JKnife> well Heros is good

* phlasphy is trying to install Arch linux

<JKnife> XD

* JKnife ducks as he says good choice

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> have you used it?

* JKnife use to be a archer

<phlasphy> does it have a good package manager?

<rbrtoclto> I switched from gentoo to ubuntu.. one thing I really mis sis the gentoo forums for peer to peer support, the ubuntu forums are full of peolpe with really dumb suggestions and no real understanding it seems

<JKnife> phlasphy: yes, pacman is awsome

<phlasphy> ok

<JKnife> rbrtoclto: :)

<phlasphy> JKnife: can you help me, what package categories do i choose?

<JKnife> base

<phlasphy> is that all

<JKnife> and just start with that

<phlasphy> i would like some GUI though

<phlasphy> XFCE to be precise

<JKnife> until you get it installed.. and you may want to try #archlinux before you make some people mad here

<phlasphy> ok

<JKnife> goto #archlinux and ask about shadowhands repo

<phlasphy> JKnife: could you please join ###chat

<JKnife> no

* JKnife is already in too many channels

<phlasphy> :( why not

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> JKnife: so why did you leave ARCH

<JKnife> Hostname: B14cKh013.573113r574r - OS: OpenBSD 4.0/i386 - CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor ("AuthenticAMD" 586-class) 335 MHz - Processes: 51 - Uptime: 2d 5h 54m - Load Average: 0.71 - Memory Usage: 60.87MB/255.53MB (23.82%) - Disk Usage: 6.23GB/140.79GB (4.43%)

<JKnife> i586 ^_^

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<phlasphy> do you regret not getting a 686

<JKnife> who said i didn't have a i686?

* JKnife has more then one pc

<phlasphy> ohh so you still run arch

<JKnife> just the other one.. the good one.. well is for games

<JKnife> no

<phlasphy> ohho k

<phlasphy> windows?"

<JKnife> yeah =\

* JKnife wishes Valve would release a Native version of steam

<PingunZ> Hi, is there any way to run slab in xcfe ?

<nosiop> so

<nosiop> I can do a terminal installation with the alternate CD?

<TheSheep_> nosiop: yes

<TheSheep_> nosiop: if by 'terminal' you mean 'text-mode'

<nosiop> yes....CLI ;)

<TheSheep_> nosiop: it's not cli -- it has menus and stuff

<nosiop> well...curses/ncurses

<nosiop> happy?

<TheSheep_> I'm always happy

<nosiop> oh ok :)

<TheSheep_> except the times when I'm really angry and biting heads off, but that quickly makes me happy again

<nosiop> o_o

<TheSheep_> tastes like chicken

<LindenLion> hello, small question: Is Aptoncd also available for dapper?

<TheSheep_> LindenLion: what's Aptoncd?

<LindenLion> a new program for ubuntu

<LindenLion> it lets you make cd s containing apt.deb packages

<TheSheep_> kewl

<TheSheep_> like, atp-get -d and then butn it to cd?

<LindenLion> yeah like you can make a backup of the packages you installed besides the install

<nosiop> how good is ubuntu for development?

<TheSheep_> nosiop: not especially prepared for it -- it's moinly for the ends user

<TheSheep_> nosiop: i.e. no compileas or -dev packages in the default install

<nosiop> right, but they can be added, right?

<TheSheep_> nosiop: but you can apt-get install build-essential and then you've got the same as on any other linux

<LindenLion> AptOnCD: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/

<LindenLion> anyone using edgy here?

<kalikiana> yep

<nosiop> I was originally going to go with debian but that's horribly out of date and...well, the devs seem more concerned with slap-fights than fixing bugs

<nosiop> ah ok

<nosiop> I'm installing it now :3

<TheSheep_> nosiop: actually most of ubuntu's packages come from debian...

<TheSheep_> nosiop: so debian is supposed to be newer

<nosiop> blah, packages

* nosiop uses the source, luke

<kalikiana> for some packagaes source *is* the best choice

<kalikiana> because they are e.g. compiled wtih old dependencies

<TheSheep_> well, mplayer is one example

<TheSheep_> some cpu-optimization-intensive progras

<TheSheep_> but no reason to go the gentoo way ;)

<kalikiana> no, actually most packages are fine, it'd be a waste of time imho to compile everything

<nosiop> naw

<nosiop> compiling is the best \o/

<TheSheep_> nosiop: why you don't use gentoo or slack or something less wrapped up than ubuntu?

<nosiop> not a fan of gentoo or slack

<nosiop> pretty much I'm not a fan of linux in general, but I need to port some apps to it so I figured whatever requires me to learn the least about the (albeit inconsistant) userland the better

<kalikiana> nosiop: what are you normally using?

<nosiop> depends on what you mean by normally

<nosiop> as a client, or as a server/development box?

<TheSheep_> nosiop: just give a list ;)

<phlasphy> lol

<nosiop> Windows, FreeBSD, NetBSD

<kalikiana> so that's why you like source and find linux chaotic :P

<nosiop> indeed

<kalikiana> what are you using windows for?

<nosiop> devleopment

<nosiop> and occationally gaming....

<TheSheep_> I guess it's just a question of point of view -- ubuntu is not really meant for hardcode servers, and packages make it much easier for Aunt Helga to manage :Þ

<nosiop> but it's my client machine since it's the only thing that support all my devices

<phlasphy> i use windows for EAC and Foobar2000

<TheSheep_> nosiop: you actually use windows for development? wowo

<nosiop> it's not going to be a server

<nosiop> more of a client / devel machine

<nosiop> TheSheep_: windows is challenging programming, unlike Free/NetBSD

<TheSheep_> :)

<nosiop> you wouldn't believe the number of bugs you have to code around....

<nosiop> and "quirks"

<kalikiana> it's a rare pleasure to encounter a windows fan here ;)

<TheSheep_> nosiop: BSD has at least fairly consistant staandard libs :)

* phlasphy likes windows it usually works for me

<kalikiana> so you like it because of the challenge?

<nosiop> I like it in that it's hard to work with...if that makes sense

<nosiop> yeah

<nosiop> you certainly have to think....outside the box...when writing code for it ;)

<TheSheep_> kalikiana: tbh, all the end users are on windows -- you want to make something that's actually used -- either code for windows or make it portable to windows

<TheSheep_> personally I prefer the latter

<TheSheep_> saves me some sewer diving

<nosiop> anything I write for windows, was written explicitly for windows, and stays on windows (or at least isn't ported by me)

<kalikiana> TheSheep: I *have* windows still, but compatibility is the main reason

<nosiop> but I need to port my BSD code to linux :(

<phlasphy> nosiop: wat do u write

<nosiop> for windows or bsd?

<phlasphy> windows

<TheSheep_> kalikiana: I kissed windows goodbye 2 years ago, don't miss it :)

<nosiop> uhm...chat programs, and a few games

<phlasphy> nosiop: if you have the source for windows how hard is it to convert too linux

<phlasphy> ?

<TheSheep_> phlasphy: all depends on how many windows-only libraries you need to reimplement/substitute

<phlasphy> ok

<nosiop> donno, I'd imagine pretty hard

<nosiop> I don't use any cross platform libs

<phlasphy> is there a programers room on freenode?

<TheSheep_> and then there are sometimes fundamental differences in how threads or disk access work

<nosiop> many

<phlasphy> ok

<kalikiana> nosiop: why don't you use cross-platform libs?

<phlasphy> ?

<nosiop> kalikiana: speed, looks, bulk.....

<phlasphy> ok

<TheSheep_> familiarity too

<TheSheep_> and in-IDE support

<phlasphy> nosiop: what language fo you code?

<nosiop> phlasphy: C and C++, mainly

<nosiop> and I avoid ugly things like MFC when coding for windows...I use strait up WinAPI ;)

<phlasphy> i am thinking about learning a language which should i choose

<phlasphy> ?

<TheSheep_> phlasphy: I've heard Esperanto is pretty neat

<nosiop> C++ is easy

<nosiop> C if you're up for something a little lower level

<nosiop> but it's still high level

<phlasphy> high level meaning

<TheSheep_> nosiop: C is high level? I guess it depends on how many libs you're using...

<kalikiana> TheSheep: Esperanto is awkward :P

<Wizaado> c/c++ are both high level languages

<TheSheep_> kalikiana: but has nice community

<TheSheep_> Wizaado: seen higher :P

<nosiop> yeah

<kalikiana> TheSheep: yeah, it's always bad things that get good advertisement :(

<TheSheep_> kalikiana: my theory is that if something is hard, then you only get people who are really devoted and good, jerks get filtered out :)

* phlasphy thinks he will learn brainfuck

* kalikiana thinks phlasphy is funny

<nosiop> hehe

<nosiop> brainfuck only takes 2 minutes to learn

<nosiop> ...if that

<kalikiana> that's better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_%28programming_language%29

<TheSheep_> yeah, it has very few rules

<nosiop> but 1000 years to program anything useful in ;)

<TheSheep_> I prefer whitespace, at least you can reuse the source code printouts

<nosiop> I like befunge

<phlasphy> nosiop: would you be able to make a torrent client for linux?

<Wizaado> isnt there already?

<phlasphy> a decent one

<kalikiana> phlasphy: there is deluge

<nosiop> phlasphy: sure

<phlasphy> would you really

<TheSheep_> bsd sockets work the same on windows and on linux

<nosiop> yep

<nosiop> well, I never use "BSD sockets"

<nosiop> on windows, I use Overlapped I/O with an IOCP (I/O Completion Port), on BSD I use kqueue, and on linux epoll

<TheSheep_> it's funny how all the tcp stacks out there come really from BSD

* phlasphy needs to learn to program so he can contact utorrent and offer to make a utorrent for linux

<nosiop> heh, I talked to ludde

<nosiop> I don't think he likes me though

<phlasphy> ludde?

<TheSheep_> phlasphy: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/copyright/2004121501.php

<nosiop> the author of uTorrent

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> where how did you talk to him?

<nosiop> I told him his client was very good, but that he should use a better IO model and I think he got angry ;)

<nosiop> efnet

<nosiop> #winapi

<phlasphy> is he there now?

<nosiop> or here, #winapi

<nosiop> they're linked

<nosiop> newp

<phlasphy> ok

<nosiop> he's *rarely* on

<phlasphy> damn

<nosiop> I don't think he has any plans to port it, but I could ask him

<phlasphy> thanks

<phlasphy> me keeps windows for torrents

<nosiop> hell, I'd port it if he gave me the source

<kalikiana> phlasphy: ever tried deluge?

<phlasphy> :)

<phlasphy> no

<nosiop> ahhh, yeah, azereus is a pain in the ass

<nosiop> though I'd like to look at deluge...

<phlasphy> azerus is shit

<kalikiana> deluge is still alpha but laready nice and gtk-only

<nosiop> agreed

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> nosiop: would you port foobar

<Wizaado> yes

<kalikiana> with 0.4 it got a plugin interface and they say they'll look into speed

<Wizaado> omg foobar

<nosiop> foobar?

<Wizaado> its an awsome music player for windows

<phlasphy> what i was about to say

<Wizaado> simplistic

<phlasphy> foobar>*

<nosiop> oohhh, foobar2000?

<phlasphy> ya

<Wizaado> yea\

<nosiop> is it open source?

<phlasphy> i think so

<nosiop> what license?

<phlasphy> umm hang on

<phlasphy> nah it is closed source

<nosiop> blah

<phlasphy> BSD licsense

<Wizaado> i think you have to ask permission

<nosiop> well if I got the source under the BSD license, I'd certainly consider it :)

<phlasphy> nosiop: you should ask?

<nosiop> Right now I'm more interesting in porting my bsd apps to linux, and then doing some kernel development on FreeBSD

<nosiop> but after that I might do some ports from windows -> linux/bsd

<nosiop> phlasphy: how do they want you to ask? via email?

<Wizaado> i suppose so

<phlasphy> i guess

<TheSheep_> what's wrong with the original bittorent actually?

<phlasphy> it has shitty GUI

<Wizaado> actually someone has already started porting foobar2000 to lunux'

<nosiop> python :P

<TheSheep_> nosiop: can you elaborate?

<phlasphy> Wizaado: how do you know?

<Wizaado> because...

<Wizaado> i have the website

<Wizaado> http://fondriest.frederic.free.fr/realisations/lamip/download.html

<nosiop> TheSheep_: I'm not a big fan of python or java programs, for anything other than "quick hacks"....certainly not for everyday use ;)

<phlasphy> Wizaado: it is not called foobar :(

<Wizaado> it was on their forums a while ago.. about someone porting to linux...

<TheSheep_> nosiop: but what's wrong with bittorent specifically?

<Wizaado> well it cant be

<phlasphy> why not

<phlasphy> if you get permission it could be right

<nosiop> network efficientcy

<Wizaado> probably not to confuse the two..

<TheSheep_> nosiop: ?

<Wizaado> who knows.. a name is a name

<nosiop> I have a fast pipe, but a slow windows box

<TheSheep_> nosiop: you mean it sends data trough sockets slower than other languages do?

<nosiop> ..very slow

<Wizaado> i know its foobar.. looks like foobar smells like foobar...

<nosiop> yeah, uses an inefficient API

<phlasphy> firefox is called firefox on both linux and windows and OSX

<nosiop> well, inefficient IO model

<Wizaado> because mozilla owns their product

<phlasphy> who owns foobar?

<phlasphy> i need to go to toilet brb

<Wizaado> lol

<TheSheep_> nosiop: do you know where is the bottleneck?

* phlasphy better mention he may be a while

<TheSheep_> nosiop: like, it actively polls isntead of doing passive wait? or something like that?

<nosiop> TheSheep_: select()

<phlasphy> i am sick of my dads GF always cooking INDIAN

<nosiop> select and blocking/nonblocking are just terrible on windows

<nosiop> async IO is pretty bad too

<TheSheep_> nosiop: I see your problem now :P

<nosiop> you only wanna use Overlapped I/O, and preferrably with an IOCP

<nosiop> indeed ^^

<nosiop> uTorrent still polls on descriptors, but he uses it in conjunction with Overlapped I/O so it's not *as* bad

<nosiop> 1/64th the cost, in fact

<nosiop> and that's assuming you have more than 64 connections established...

<phlasphy> utorrent is the fastest for me

<Wizaado> utorrent is nice...

<nosiop> yea, it's sweet :)

<nosiop> but could be better

<nosiop> but I'm not one to complain :P

<Wizaado> ;P

<phlasphy> is there a way to make it so i dont upload?

<phlasphy> in utorrent

<Wizaado> evil!

<TheSheep_> nosiop: don't you think it's a bug that could be fixed more efficiently in *one* place, instead of rewriting all the aplications that use network?

<phlasphy> who me Wizaado

<Wizaado> lol

<Wizaado> well you can

<nosiop> uhm..."Don't upload"?

<nosiop> that doesn't really make sense in the context of torrents...

<Wizaado> make it not upload.. but i always give back..

<Wizaado> because thats how torrents work

<nosiop> no upload hurts your download too

<phlasphy> i know

<phlasphy> i upload but it seems to take half as long to chew through my download limit :(

<phlasphy> 12GB is not much

<nosiop> TheSheep_: well, non network intensive apps can get by with crappy IO models

<nosiop> but for something p2p....

* phlasphy willl be fine when we switch to 1500/256 unlimited

<nosiop> phlasphy: are you using ant QoS?

<nosiop> any*

<TheSheep_> nosiop: isn't it funny that it works ok on non-borked operating systems? ;)

<phlasphy> ant QoS???

<phlasphy> oh

<phlasphy> QoS????

<phlasphy> /msg nickserv identify 123456

<phlasphy> oops

<phlasphy> how do i change the password?

<TheSheep_> http://freenode.net

<TheSheep_> there is a FAQ

<nosiop> TheSheep_: what does?

<phlasphy> thanks

<phlasphy> nosiop: what is QoS

<TheSheep_> nosiop: select

<nosiop> phlasphy: Quality of Service

<phlasphy> what is that?

<nosiop> TheSheep_: yeah, that's true...it works a lot better on other systesm

<nosiop> but it *still* doesn't scale like epoll/kqueue

<nosiop> or the windows "equivalent", Ovlapped I/O with an IOCP

<TheSheep_> nosiop: I thought that epoll is just a wrapper

<nosiop> overlapped*

<phlasphy> what is qualiity of service?

<nosiop> newp

<TheSheep_> nosiop: anyways, that's not something specific to python :)

<nosiop> phlasphy: better wikipedia it

<nosiop> TheSheep_: no, but AFAIK, python can't take advantage of WinAPI

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> how can i tell?

<TheSheep_> nosiop: it takes 4 lines of C code to make a binding for any windows-secific io library

<TheSheep_> phlasphy: if you don't know about it, you probably don't use it :)

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> is it good or bad

<nosiop> yep, if you didn't set it up, then you don't use it ;)

<nosiop> TheSheep_: you mean python code?

<nosiop> phlasphy: it'll slow down your torrents

<phlasphy> ok

<nosiop> for instance

<phlasphy> soo bad?

<nosiop> I can prioritize TCP ACKs via altq

<TheSheep_> nosiop: yeah, I mean preparing a pythin module that uses any C library

<nosiop> thus allowing me to uncap my upload without hurting my download speed

<phlasphy> what?

<nosiop> TheSheep_: ahh, then I suppose you might be able to do it...I donno how python handles threading though, which is also critical for Overlapped I/O

<TheSheep_> phlasphy: translation: blah blah blah I can mmake my uploads slower than downloads blah blah bljah

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> so can i

<nosiop> TheSheep_: not quite.... ;)

<TheSheep_> nosiop: there are various flavors of python that handle them differently

<nosiop> more like..."I can make more efficient use of my bandwidth in order to improve both upload and download speed"

<phlasphy> ok

<nosiop> TheSheep_: ahh...well if they can use the API correctly, then it mgiht work

<TheSheep_> nosiop: I bete someone already did that too :)

<TheSheep_> s/bete/bet

<TheSheep_> there are python freaks on windows too, you know

<phlasphy> Wizaado: is lamip stable?

<Wizaado> beats the hell out of me...

<nosiop> I suppose

<nosiop> still trying to hack python to make it efficient is...silly

<Wizaado> im installing xubuntu today shince my new hdd came in

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<nosiop> I'd rather start from the ground up

<phlasphy> so are you new to linux?

<Wizaado> kinda

<Wizaado> like

<Wizaado> LOOOOONG

<Wizaado> time ago when i tried to install XP it failed.... and i was a kid

<TheSheep_> nosiop: then there is no advantage in using python, and C is superior :)

<Wizaado> so i bought linux and used it for a while

<Wizaado> i was like 12 maybe

<nosiop> TheSheep_: for p2p apps, pretty much

<phlasphy> Wizaado: how old are you know

<TheSheep_> Wizaado: if it's stopped on 'anthy', then kill it

<ellioTb> now he is 13

<`Orum> bah, I timed out

* `Orum is nosiop fyi

<`Orum> hrm, well I figured out why my xubuntu install was failing...

<TheSheep_> `Orum: do tell

<`Orum> looks like my ethernet card was using conflicting resources with another device

<`Orum> which equals one very unhappy PC

<`Orum> seems to be working now

<phlasphy> hey all

<g333k_work> how do I close my graphic enviroment and go to console mode? I want to boot on console mode

<g333k_work> netx time

<kalikiana> remove gdm from the services or uninstall it

<hyper_ch> !ntp

<ubotu> ntp: Network Time Protocol: network utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.0a+stable-9ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 256 kB, installed size 464 kB

<hyper_ch> what is the simplest way to auto-update my clock with ntp?

<g333k_work> kalikiana, I need gdm installed, I just want to boot in console mode

<kalikiana> g333k_work: so probably disabling 'gdm' in 'system'->'services' should do it

<kalikiana> but i never tried it

<sensei> That quit mess is so not funny

<sensei> g333k_work: Edit /etc/inittab

<JKnife> sensei: i think it is =\

<g333k_work> sensei, now how do I go to runlevel 3

<g333k_work> ?

<JKnife> g333k_work: init 3

<JKnife> and edit /etc/fstab and change the default run level to 3 if you wantto boot into it everytime

<g333k_work> JKnife, if I do that it will kill some process?

<JKnife> the ones that are running and are not in the runlevel 3 group

<g333k_work> Is gdm in the runlevel 3?

<JKnife> not that i know of

<JKnife> do ls /etc/rc3.d

<webmind> and now the laptop give blank screens on X again.

<webmind> how does one submit a bug that's hard to reproduce ?

<sensei> lol, I just realised.. *ubuntu doesn't have /etc/inittab :)

<webmind> it doesn't ?

<sensei> At least not mine

<webmind> mine does

<sensei> Dapper?

<webmind> upgraded to edgy a while back

<webmind> and now it works again

<webmind> can anyone tell me how I can execute a user script on boot that requires user input ?

<webmind> edgy seems very obscure in setup

<`Orum> hrm

<`Orum> well

<`Orum> I think I found a bug...

<webmind> heh

<webmind> `Orum, what is it then ?

<`Orum> anyone know where it stores the list of time servers for the GUI ntp config thingy

<`Orum> well, if you add in a NTP server....it doesn't seem to really "add" it

<`Orum> and if you click on it

<`Orum> it closed the window

<`Orum> and removes it from the list

<webmind> hmm

<webmind> sounds broken

<webmind> but no idea

<`Orum> closes*

<TheSheep_> probably soemwhere in /etc/ntp

<`Orum> yeah

<`Orum> /etc/ntp doesn't exist :-/

<ephemeros> yo \m/

<`Orum> `find / -name *ntp* -type f` didn't produce anything useful either

* webmind doesn't understand this new edgy eft startup setup

<TheSheep_> `Orum: /etc/default/ntpdate

<TheSheep_> `Orum: your find seems to be somewhat broken :)

<`Orum> well, it found stuff

<`Orum> just not *useful* stuff

<`Orum> hehe

<webmind> TheSheep_, do you know where or how I could run a script on boot before login that requires user input ?

<TheSheep_> webmind: which user?

<webmind> I tried putting it in rc.local or making a getty replacement

<webmind> any

<TheSheep_> webmind: weird request

<webmind> well, I want to mount my encrypted /home

<TheSheep_> webmind: maybe you could tell me more about what you're trying to do?

<TheSheep_> webmind: look at pam_mount

<webmind> uhm, not for every user seperatly

<TheSheep_> webmind: it can mount a drive *while* you log in

<webmind> yeah

<webmind> but it only needs to happen once

<TheSheep_> webmind: and it can use your user password for that

<webmind> and that is after boot

<TheSheep_> webmind: I can't see any advantage to such a setup?

<webmind> it's simple?

<TheSheep_> webmind: as you can see, it is not :)

<webmind> it was on dapper

<webmind> with a plain boot script setup

<TheSheep_> webmind: and doesn't really improve security

<webmind> yes it does.. the system only has one user

<TheSheep_> webmind: then you can safely mount the home on login

<webmind> yes, but that's more work

<TheSheep_> not really, and it's the RightWay(tm)

<TheSheep_> it will also survive upgrades

<`Orum> `tcpdump -Xvv` is powerful :D

<TheSheep_> `Orum: no doubt

<webmind> 'the rightway' is what ubuntu management decides one ought to use? :)

<webmind> TheSheep_, I never had problems with upgrades for this before.. the boot setup never changed to dramaticly

<`Orum> just look at this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/F9PE1t74.txt

<TheSheep_> webmind: not it's the way the linux system is built

<webmind> btw, isn't it an idea to announce the major changes ?

<webmind> TheSheep_, -this- linux system...

<webmind> every distribution has it's own setup

<TheSheep_> webmind: well, any linux system that uses PAM, so as for today 90% linux systems in the wild

<TheSheep_> webmind: I think that certain hardcore tiny linux distributions don;t use PAM

<webmind> wel even if you do have pam.. you don't want your system disks to be mounted at every login

<webmind> having them mounted on boot time can be very useful for shared disks

<TheSheep_> webmind: you don't?

<TheSheep_> webmind: well, how often do you log in when you only have one user?

<webmind> TheSheep_, in this case it's as often as one boots

<webmind> but I don't think it's the most logical place

<webmind> it's a system wide mountpoint

<webmind> so ought to be mounted at boot time

<TheSheep_> it is, because when you have several users, you want several homes with different passwords :)

<webmind> depends on what setup you like.. I can think situations where you want either

<webmind> as I said.. say you have an encrypted /share or /mnt/share or wherever

<TheSheep_> but, well, I don't stop you, write your own equivalent of pam_mount if you like to reinvent the wheel

<webmind> I don't want pam_mount

<webmind> I want to transparant boot setup

<`Orum> ubuntu sax.ogg FTW!

<webmind> s/to/a/

<TheSheep_> webmind: disable spalsh

<TheSheep_> splash

<webmind> I can add a boot script now.. it's output apearently never makes it to stdout

<webmind> I did

<webmind> +but

<TheSheep_> webmind: gdm is started earlier than rc.local is run

<TheSheep_> webmind: you can change it

<webmind> yes.. I disabled gdm

<webmind> but the output of my simple shell script never made it to stdout

<webmind> that is my screen

<webmind> but it does get executed

<`Orum> hrm, I killed the calender thing

* `Orum wonders how to get it back

<TheSheep_> orage

<webmind> TheSheep_, do you know if the mount by pam_mount is executed as the user or root ?

<`Orum> yeah, there was a different clock though

<`Orum> the one that had the little icon

<`Orum> rather than just text

<TheSheep_> webmind: as root

<`Orum> ah well, screw it

* TheSheep_ screws it

<`Orum> can you install gnome apps on xubuntu?

<TheSheep_> `Orum: yes

<`Orum> so long as you have the libs...

<TheSheep_> `Orum: and kde apps too

<`Orum> >.>"

<TheSheep_> `Orum: it will pull in the libs

<`Orum> cool

<`Orum> sweet

<`Orum> I do admit, pakcages are faster than building from source

<`Orum> but, building from source has its advantages too

<cloakable> `Orum: For some things, aye.

<cloakable> But who wants to compile from source on an old laptop, for example?

<TheSheep_> you can still compile from source the critical apps

<`Orum> right, so you build on another and then send it over

<`Orum> I have one FreeBSD machine build ports for all my FreeBSD machines

<`Orum> then again, most of my FreeBSD machines are diskless anyways, so that's not saying much....

<`Orum> heh, they don't flag the fdiv bug in /proc/cpuinfo?

<`Orum> oh wait, nm, it's there

*** ChaKy_ is now known as ChaKy

*** TheSheep_ is now known as TheSheep

<`Orum> hrm

<`Orum> that's interesting

<`Orum> it exited X..I think

<`Orum> or crashed it, rather

<AcidBurn> What would be the best desktop search app for xubuntu :-/

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: tracker

<cloakable> TheSheep: Beat me to it :)

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: or maybe xapian, but I never tried it

<AcidBurn> tracker ?

<Zeqfreed> how do i type an arbitrary unicode character by its code? :)

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: no idea, I always use the character map

<AcidBurn> tracker is not listed in the sources.list for xubuntu

<TheSheep> AcidBurn: http://www.gnome.org/~jamiemcc/tracker/

<AcidBurn> will check

<AcidBurn> tks

<`Orum> hrm

<`Orum> how come all the xscreensavers aren't installed?

<`Orum> do you need the KDE ones?

<Legendre> hi. What repo do I need to add, to install rar for linux?

<cloakable> Legendre: Probably multiverse

<cloakable> Legendre: I have main restricted universe multiverse enabled, and I can get it

<PuMpErNiCkLe> !info rar

<ubotu> rar: Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.1-1 (edgy), package size 239 kB, installed size 472 kB (Only available for i386)

<cloakable> :)

<maxamillion> hello al

<maxamillion> all*

<somerville32> _o/

<Zeqfreed> http://www.beryl-project.org/ :(

<maxamillion> ouch

<hyper_ch> whenever I go in the winecfg to the audio tab this error message is printed in the shell: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found

<hyper_ch> anyone knows what that means?

<apokryphos> the Xubuntu is now on by the way, in #ubuntu-classroom

<maxamillion> wine and alsa don't get along too well ... i would actually ask that in #wine, i think they know about the issue and could probably help fix it

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: this means it tries to use gnome's esd sound daemon, but fails as yuo don't have esd installed

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: but I think it's just a warning

<atreiux> When I'm installing a Tar.bz2 file, after I get passed ./configure, and move onto the "make" command, I get this error :"No targets specified and no makefile found"

<TheSheep> i.e. it falls back

<atreiux> Could someone help me?

<maxamillion> oh ... lol, i should have read it closer

<maxamillion> sorry bout that one

<maxamillion> !ask

<ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)

<TheSheep> atreiux: seems like what you downloaded is not really a source package, or it doesn't have a Makefile prepared

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, I can't get anything to run in wine :(

<TheSheep> atreiux: try to find a README or INSTALLING file and read the instructions in there

<hyper_ch> so I wonder if it's because of that

<webmind> does anyone know any good documentation for getting a pam_mount + loop-aes setup to work ?

<`Orum> blah

<`Orum> seem to be having some nvidia issues :(

<`Orum> it's only letting me choose a refresh rate of 75 Hz

<`Orum> when I know my monitor supports far more

<TheSheep> `Orum: is it lcd?

<`Orum> newp, CRT

<`Orum> which is why it's so annoying

<`Orum> it's flickering like crazy

<`Orum> do I need modelines?

<TheSheep> `Orum: try setting the right sync ranges first -- maybe it reads them wrong

<`Orum> I did

<`Orum> I made them really wide, even

<`Orum> and it still only lists 75 Hz :(

<T`> hey i installed xubuntu on my PC from scratch, and i did a dist-upgrade on my laptop from dapper

<T`> but i notice both are different in some parts

<T`> like the file selection dialog, or applets for xfce, etc.

<T`> apt-get upgrade shows no new upgrades on the laptop.. could it be that some old versions are still around?

<maxamillion> T`: it could also be that you installed something on the laptop that got upgraded that you haven't yet installed on the fresh install

<T`> maxamillion, but fresh install is having the latest applet compared to laptop

<maxamillion> T`: oh ...

<`Orum> http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/nec/multisyncxp17jc1743uma.html

<webmind> ok nm got it working

<`Orum> ok, apparently there's no way to change it

<`Orum> no matter what I adjust in the xorg.conf file

<`Orum> screw it, I'm not going to play with it any more

<cellofellow> my braces are OFF! Yay!

<Zeqfreed> cellofellow: congrats :)

<cellofellow> I get my retainer tommorow. It''l have Tux on it. :)

<Zeqfreed> cool

<cellofellow> now I think about it, Tux playing a cello wouldv'e been even cooler.

<Zeqfreed> i am bored as usual.. i'm getting used to it

<cellofellow> I have 8GB of Star Trek vids a friend of mine gave me here.

<Zeqfreed> you are lucky

<cellofellow> He just came over yesterday and handed me a 10GB hard drive with teh vids on em.

<`Orum> "C compiler cannot create executables"

<`Orum> then wtf does it do?

<Zeqfreed> i have 5+ seasons of Smallville. but i've seen them all

<JKnife> ompaul: ln

<cellofellow> gcc makes binary files. in DOS with DJGPP ican make .exe files too. what are you trying to do `Orum ?

<ompaul> ln -s

<cellofellow> ln -s <target> <linkfile>

<JKnife> =\

<JKnife> ld*

<ompaul> this is getting silly :)

<JKnife> you are silly!

<maxamillion> abiword looks so much more professional than openoffice writer :/

<Zeqfreed> abiword is good, right

<cellofellow> only because it integrates better with XFCE's GTK environment.

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: abiword is awesome, i use it all the time

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: i just hate how it gets so little recognition

<Zeqfreed> i use them both

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: i use openoffice for other things, but abiword for typing documents

<JKnife> i hate how joe get so little recognition

<maxamillion> JKnife: joe doesn't deserve it

<cellofellow> Abiword sucks with printing, and placing images. I can't get it to work.

<JKnife> LIES

<tictacaddict> I like abiword for most documents, unless I need more formatting than it does

<Halcy0n> abiword & gnumeric are better than the Openoffice equivalents, imho.

<maxamillion> cellofellow, tictacaddict: ... true

<cellofellow> Abiword is FAST, I even use it on Windows.

<JKnife> vim for every things unless doing a quick edit then i use joe

<maxamillion> Halcy0n: depends on how much formatting you need to do

<Halcy0n> maxamillion: then I'll use latex :)

<tictacaddict> yeah, that's one of the best things about abiword. It loads up quickly

<cellofellow> Last time I tried to print a landscape doc in Abiword it totally messed it up.

<maxamillion> Halcy0n: lol

<Qew> heh... Joe is quite cool: it brings me back to my WordStar days ;)

<webmind> hmm, ff2 crashes on flash pages when I install flashplugin-nonfree

<webmind> does anyone have a solution for that ?

<tictacaddict> what version of flash is flashplugin-nonfree?

<webmind> 7.0.68~ubuntu3

<tictacaddict> you could try the flash player 9 beta for linux

<darrend> anyone know what a good 'score' is for hdparm -Tt values on a SATA disk?

<tictacaddict> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html

<webmind> uhm.. yeah except this laptop I won't be able to access after tomorrow.. and I hear lots of bad stories about flash 9

<maxamillion> tictacaddict: no ... the beta flashplayer has been said to crash firefox

<maxamillion> brb

<tictacaddict> really? I use it and it works pretty well most of the time.

* cellofellow doesn't care about flash

* tictacaddict likes to be able to watch streaming video through flash

<cellofellow> me too, I just wish I could use something else. Flash is slow on my machine.

<cellofellow> oh, he he.

<JKnife> flash is slow on any machine

<cellofellow> I get better results with mpeg or ogg theora and such.

<cellofellow> anyone here a really good graphics artist?

<cellofellow> or just good.

<cellofellow> !anyone | cellofellow

<ubotu> cellofellow: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?

<cellofellow> Ok. Can I commission a Tux playing a cello?

<JKnife> !luser | cellofellow

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about luser - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> JKnife is a luser.

<`Orum> blah

* JKnife does not this cellofellow knows that story

<cellofellow> I guess not.

<`Orum> why is xscreensaver missing over half the screensavers?

<JKnife> `Orum: cause they are in a different package

<JKnife> Xubuntu = the Ubuntu on a diet

<somerville32> Packages are still the same though

<`Orum> JKnife: which one?

<JKnife> i do not know

* JKnife doesn't uses Xubuntu

<JKnife> jeeze

<`Orum> O.o

<cloakable> :P

* JKnife hands `Orum wiki.ubuntu.com/WesleyHearn

<`Orum> ugh

<JKnife> what is wrong?

<JKnife> guess nothing

<Qew> `Orum: install xscreensaver-data-extra

<Qew> should be in Universe

<JKnife> !info xscreensaver-data-extra

<ubotu> xscreensaver-data-extra: data files to be shared among screensaver frontends. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.24-4ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2648 kB, installed size 7324 kB

<JKnife> -that it?

<JKnife> that it?*

<Qew> yes

<Qew> There's also xscreensaver-gl-extra for the opengl extras (ensure you have xscreensaver-gl installed, too)

<JKnife> xscreensaver-gl-extra should install xscreensaver-gl IIRC

<Qew> yes, true

<Qew> heh

<`Orum> hrm

<`Orum> I don't even see that package...

<JKnife> !xscreensaver-gl

<ubotu> xscreensaver-gl: GL(Mesa) screen hacks for xscreensaver. In component main, is optional. Version 4.24-4ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1556 kB, installed size 4048 kB

<JKnife> !xscreensaver-gl-extra

<ubotu> xscreensaver-gl-extra: GL(Mesa) screen hacks for xscreensaver. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.24-4ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1695 kB, installed size 4512 kB

<Qew> well, enable Universe

<Qew> if it's not enabled already

<somerville32> !info xscreensaver-gl-extra

<ubotu> xscreensaver-gl-extra: GL(Mesa) screen hacks for xscreensaver. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.24-4ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1695 kB, installed size 4512 kB

<somerville32> Hmmm...

<somerville32> Say the same thing

<JKnife> duh

<`Orum> ahh

<`Orum> I'm surprised that isn't enabled by default

<maxamillion> JKnife: greenninja?

<JKnife> maxamillion: OF COURSE!

<JKnife> green = coolest colour and ninjas are just freaking awsome!

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> ok

* Zeqfreed can not decide which would be better: to sleep an hour or not to sleep

<cellofellow> Zeqfreed: you pulled an all-nighter /again/?

<Zeqfreed> lol

<Zeqfreed> huh, yeap

<cellofellow> you're nuts

<Zeqfreed> no i'm not :)

* cellofellow salutes the Commander-Crowe

<Zeqfreed> i've been sleeping for 6 hours today a

<Zeqfreed> err, pressed enter insead of backspace.. :)

<maxamillion> :P

<Zeqfreed> i'm just waiting for java runtime to be downloaded..

<Zeqfreed> don't blame me for that :)

<maxamillion> for what? ... downloading java?

<Zeqfreed> to try out a java app

<maxamillion> i don't care, i think java is a great technology

<cellofellow> especially now it's GPL.

<maxamillion> too many people are still stuck on issues it hasn't had since java1.3

* JKnife hates flash and java

<cellofellow> JKnife is a CLI guy. GUI in general is I think his problem.

* JKnife is running kde

* Zeqfreed doesnt like flash and is neutral towards java

* JKnife ducks

<Zeqfreed> especially the recent flash version which is damn too slow

<pilibeen> hi, can anyone tell me if OpenOffice has an app similar to Excel? and if not...if there's a free, easy to use graphing program similar to excel?

<Zeqfreed> Gnumeric?

<cellofellow> I read the system requirements. 512 RAM and 128 Graphics. I don't have that.

<cellofellow> pilibeen: Calc is the Excel killer.

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<maxamillion> pilibeen: xubuntu comes with Gnumeric ... applications->office

<Commander-Crowe> how would i make a CD a mian source?

<cellofellow> pilibeen: but if you want/need more features/MS Compatibility, there's OOo Calc

<pilibeen> ok, thanks

<cellofellow> apt-cdrom something

<cellofellow> I think

<Commander-Crowe> and can I use a Ubuntu 6.06 CD as a source on 6.10?

<JKnife> apt-cdrom add

<JKnife> then comment out the online repos in /etc/apt/sources.list

<cellofellow> try the man pages.

<JKnife> i just told you how =\

<cellofellow> oh

<Zeqfreed> got it

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> whats a recommended way to set up dual monitors?

<cellofellow> !xinerama

<ubotu> xinerama is using multiple monitors as one big monitor. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo

<Commander-Crowe> I have one Geforce 6600 GPU

<kriel> hey, can someone give me a quick runthrough, or point me towards a tutorial, on building from source?

<JKnife> ./configure && make && make install

<JKnife> sudo make install&

<cloakable> :P

<JKnife> sudo make install*

<PuMpErNiCkLe> s/make install/checkinstall/

* JKnife hits PuMpErNiCkLe

<JKnife> BAD

<cellofellow> kreil: extract archive, cd to new dir, ./configure, make, sudo make install, OR sudo checkinstall if you have that.

<JKnife> doing make install you can also do make uninstall

<cellofellow> I like checkinstall

<cellofellow> all of the crappy makefiles I've run into have no uninstall.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> However, it won't be handled by the package manager, and upgrades can cause breakage.

<kriel> huh. okay.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> (For make install, that is.)

<somerville32> Cellofellow: Interested in helping with wiki still?

<cellofellow> somerville32: yes.

<cellofellow> one quick question: It's never bothered me before but my GL screensavers DON'T WORK, and I'm tired of ugly screensavers.

<somerville32> How does it "not work"?

<cellofellow> before you tell me how to fix GL, are there any decent-looking non-3D screensavers?

<JKnife> stonerview?

<JKnife> wait that is 3d

<JKnife> umm.. halo

<cellofellow> when I select one in the Xscreensaver config, they just say "No Preview Available". I try then anyway and they just die.

<cellofellow> black screen.

<cellofellow> halo isn't installed. what's the package it might be in?

<cellofellow> xscreensaver-data-extra?

* JKnife shrugs

<JKnife> !search halo

<ubotu> Found:

<JKnife> ...

<cellofellow> !anything

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> found what!

<cellofellow> Found null I guess.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Empty row.

<cellofellow> anyone realized that aptitude has tab-completion for package names? I wonder how it does that...?

<JKnife> cellofellow: they patched bash to search the cache

<cellofellow> oh. okay. :) I was wondering how aptitude could do that without being running.

<cellofellow> It's not aptitude

<maxamillion> cellofellow: it downloads package lists and then does tab completion th