<flo|va-nu-pied> hi!

<chaddy> lo flo|va-nu-pied

<flo|va-nu-pied> 'ill go to liverpool in a month

<flo|va-nu-pied> i was wondering if ubuntu exist in UK

<flo|va-nu-pied> it seem

<chaddy> it does

<flo|va-nu-pied> f***

<flo|va-nu-pied> i really have to learn english

<flo|va-nu-pied> mine is so bad that i can't have any conversation with you

<chaddy> reads fine, but I suspect the time difference is going to be more of an issue... it's 0350 here, which is bedtime for me

<chaddy> nn

<flo|va-nu-pied> for me too

<flo|va-nu-pied> mercredi 29 novembre 2006, 04:52:12 (UTC+0100)

<flo|va-nu-pied> and it's more bedtime for me than for you

<flo|va-nu-pied> :p

<X3N> sheepeatingtaz: it didn't say what the alevles were in though

<X3N> the ask mark ubuntu session was pretty interesting

<X3N> logs can be found here : http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-classroom-current.html starts from 05:58

<X3N> or not anymore

<X3N> hmm not sure where it's gone

<binary2k2> log's here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-classroom-2006-11-28.html

<binary2k2> X3N: the ask mark part starts at 06:00 there

<X3N> ah right

<X3N> my file list was cached

<sheepeatingtaz> X3N: Biology, Chemistry, Psycology, GS, AS Maths and another AS she can't remember!

<sheepeatingtaz> X3N: Keep meaning to ask you, would you prefer a less general feed for Planet Ubuntu? I can supply one without the personal stuff in if you would prefer

<Seeker``> lo GazzaK

<GazzaK> hi Seeker`

<GazzaK> popey, made your wiki thing yet

<Seeker``> ug, I suppose I should go get dressed and head to work

<sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/images/campaign.png

<sheepeatingtaz> and do you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanPope

<Seeker``> right, back in about an hour

<Seeker``> seeya

<GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, thats the one

<GazzaK> yay, he has updated his wiki

<GazzaK> love the image :p

<GazzaK> need to make posters, hehehe

<sheepeatingtaz> I'm not sure how well it will scale :)

<popey> :)

<popey> morning all

<sheepeatingtaz> popey: it's rude to listen in on people talking about you :P

<popey> only just arrived

<popey> screen was listening in for me :)

<sheepeatingtaz> we need a hi res picture of popey to make campaign material

<sheepeatingtaz> I will make it in layers so we can substitute 'ubuntu' for 'King of The Lugmasters' as the situation requires :)

* sheepeatingtaz points popey to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+ticket/2633

<sheepeatingtaz> sounds like it needs your diplomatic touch

<popey> hahaha diplomatic touch

<popey> you don't know me very well do you? :)

<sheepeatingtaz> Ok, maybe I should have said 'it needs your diplomatic touch ;)' :)

<GazzaK> "funky" hehehe (i'm watching the desktop screencast)

<GazzaK> how many times can you say funky popey

<GazzaK> (morning by the way

<popey> yeah, i have been picked up on that before

<popey> years ago i taught a course and bloke was counting

<popey> I saw a tally on his pad so knew he was counting something

<GazzaK> hehe, groovy

<sheepeatingtaz> maybe I should change the image to 'funky popey for ubuntu'

<popey> so later in the day i said "funky" and then said "there's another one for your tally"

<popey> he went quite red

<GazzaK> lol

<popey> everyone else knew he was counting too so they all looked at him

<sheepeatingtaz> we had that with an instructor, except his phrase was 'okay'

<sheepeatingtaz> He used to ask if he'd reached a hundred yet, to make sure people were listening :)

<binary2k2> sheepeatingtaz: like mr. macky, from south park? mmmmmmkay

<GazzaK> I have a guy here who goes "you know" all the time, in some messed up country bumpkin accent

<popey> yeeee har!

<GazzaK> u'no like that

<popey> ge' orf moi laaaand!

<GazzaK> yeah, just like that, but not

<GazzaK> I have a great pic of popey to use sheepeatingtaz

<popey> uh-oh

<GazzaK> I saved it the other day, just incase he took it off his site

<GazzaK> pink hair popey :p

<popey> :)

<GazzaK> with scary redeye

<GazzaK> looks like a camp devil

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/Millenium/DSC00659 is one of my faves

<GazzaK> who are you hugging popey

<popey> in that pic?

<popey> my friends

<GazzaK> yeah

<popey> in the curry house

<GazzaK> got the phone number of the cute one on your left :p

* GazzaK hides

<popey> heh

<popey> the one in the gimp mask?

<GazzaK> YOUR left

<popey> ahhh

<popey> sorry, he gets on our bus, not yours :)

* GazzaK is embarrassed

<GazzaK> surely thats just a matter of a few more pints?

<popey> hahaha

<GazzaK> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/Millenium/DSC00662 even the guy in the corner is looking at him

<popey> the chef

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> looks like a nice night out

<popey> was very good fun, free booze

<GazzaK> woo hoooooo, hic

<popey> blimey, nearly 6 years ago now

<GazzaK> yeah, that is scary

<GazzaK> I was stuck in a office building babysitting servers

<GazzaK> (playing counterstike)

<GazzaK> I got paid a load though, I was happy

<GazzaK> or was it doom

<GazzaK> hey PriceChild morning

<PriceChild> Hi GazzaK

<GazzaK> what did you do for NYE 1999/2000

<popey> me?

<GazzaK> everyone!

<popey> :)

<popey> well you have seen the photos of what I did :)

<GazzaK> yeah, thats why is was mostly directed to the other 22 people in the room

* GazzaK pokes them all

* binary2k2 pokes GazzaK back

<GazzaK> woo yay

* popey pokes astopy anto9us binary2k2 chaddy CieD flo|va-nu-pied GazzaK grimace LoCoBot mrben merriam neuro_ ormiret PriceChild sheepeatingtaz Sionide snail sonorous ToonArmy tsmithe-afk Ubugtu ubotu X3N

<popey> there, that should wake them

<anto9us> morning

<popey> see

<binary2k2> even the bots

<anto9us> :)

<CieD> ZZzzzzzz

<GazzaK> lol

<CieD> :)

* popey pokes the CieD bot

* CieD bends popey's finger back on itself

<popey> OW!

<CieD> Damn I'm bored

<GazzaK> blimey, violent

<CieD> GazzaK, it's the only way to deal with violent people

<PriceChild> hello

<CieD> morning PriceChild

<PriceChild> popey poked me :(

<GazzaK> maybe it wasn't a violent poke

<PriceChild> he poked me in the shower!

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> pictures !!!

<CieD> well I hope it wasn't a gentle caressing tickle

<PriceChild> hmm

<PriceChild> now don't poke me while i'm on the loo

<popey> heh

<popey> puts you off does it?

<CieD> ah yes, the joys of surfing whilst on the can

<CieD> especially fun when using skype

<binary2k2> or gizmp-project

* CieD googles

<binary2k2> feckin konversation crashed

<mrben> morning all

<GazzaK> hello mrben morning

<sheepeatingtaz> binary2k2: Excactly like Mr Mackay (Sorry for delay, just got to work)

<binary2k2> :p

<GazzaK> thats not a bad journey time sheepeatingtaz

* popey replies to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+ticket/2630

<popey> not too harh?

<sheepeatingtaz> When I say just got to work, I mean just finished setting all the reports running I need to run, and now find myself bored.

<sheepeatingtaz> It's only 5 mins from Lisa's House

<popey> get you with your sleepovers :)

<Seeker`> lo

<sheepeatingtaz> popey: give me money to put deposit on a house, then I won't have to ;)

<popey> :)

<sheepeatingtaz> crap, got to go look at new kitchens

<GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, buying a house is a pian

<GazzaK> or even a pain

<GazzaK> I'm in the middle of selling my old place, 45 min from work, and buying a place 8 min away, I have no hair left now

<popey> good job, it was the wrong colour

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> you can talk

<popey> whah?

<GazzaK> (yes I know that was a wig and mine was a proper dye, but...)

<Seeker`> I knew something would come up on the 19th

<anto9us> hmm... according to this gayometer thing I'm just "20% and way to straight for these modern times mate!"... Heh, you crazy kids and what you get up to these days... But damn my red blooded heterosexuality! how am I supposed to know if these jeans go with these boots?

<anto9us> hehe, this one's quite funny http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites/P/petometer/petometer.html

<GazzaK> anto9us, whats the link to a gayometer thing :p

<binary2k2> GazzaK: http://www.channel4.com/life/microsites/G/gayometer/gayometer.html

* binary2k2 is doin it now :P

<GazzaK> I'm only 66% gay

<binary2k2> hmm, I'm 50% gay "Congratulations, you scored right in the middle and are a happy and well adjusted homo guy!" :P

<GazzaK> "Careful! You're not a gay cliche yet, but are well on your way. Bet all the girlie girls just adore you!"

<binary2k2> haha

<anto9us> hmm... so if I've got this logic right, I sleep with men I get to sleep with more women?

<GazzaK> soooo. anto9us how many pairs of shoes do you own?

<GazzaK> I have erm, ten, including my work boots and slippers!!!

<GazzaK> I'm not a good gay

<anto9us> I've got some doc marts, some trainers and some walking boots

<GazzaK> you're supposed to say "black ones, brown ones, slippers and trainers"

<anto9us> no, not got any brown ones, that is so gay!

<GazzaK> I do have three pairs of walking boots, ones for "normal walking" a pair for medium walking ie easy hill walking, and a pair of £195 hard core mountain trekking ones :0

<GazzaK> I also have a pair of motorbike boots

<GazzaK> eek

<GazzaK> I think i'm in love with my tea lady, she just brought me biscuits

<anto9us> yeah, I had some motorbike boots as a present when I was 18, my mum didn't know I had a motorbike though, I lied, I told her I was gay and that was the fashion, phew, that was a close one

<GazzaK> hahaaa

<GazzaK> I had a motorbike

<GazzaK> and I often borrow my mates bike, we did a track day in the summer together, that was fun

<GazzaK> thats a very straight thing to do isn't it?

<GazzaK> Also I am a complete car nut, but luckly that is balanced by my MX5 ownership

<popey> hahah

<popey> car nut

<popey> mx5

<popey> hahahah

<popey> s/car nut/hairdresser

<popey> :)

<GazzaK> even driven one popey ?

<popey> no, to be honest I have not

<popey> I am not a car nut tho

<Seeker`> rx-8s are cool

<popey> or hairdresser

<GazzaK> lol

<popey> \o/ wankel!

<GazzaK> Top gear say they are the best british sportscar ever, and they are not even british :p

<GazzaK> My dad tought me all about the wankel engine when I was young

<popey> what's the name of the guy from top gear who crashed? richard?

<GazzaK> hamster

<popey> Well he has a book called "what not to drive"

<GazzaK> richard hammond

<popey> read the section on IT people - the RX-8 is listed

<GazzaK> rx8 is a great motor too, but too heavy

<popey> I know two IT people who have them

<popey> chairman of HantsLUG is one

<popey> \o/ HantsLUG

<GazzaK> have a look on my webshite for my car :p

<popey> right, I need to find out where I can buy a Wii

<Seeker`> i dont even have a provisional driving license yet

<GazzaK> http://www.kearley.net/media/National_Rally/NatRally0032.jpg shiney

* sheepeatingtaz returns

<GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, is that like Batman Returns?

<sheepeatingtaz> Could Be

<popey> I have never understood why people blot out their numberplates on websites

<sheepeatingtaz> It needs a villain

<binary2k2> i want a Wii so bad

<popey> ditto binary2k2

<anto9us> I think cars are dangerous and bad for the planet and refuse to drive them, that and I failed my test four times

<binary2k2> so i'll go to the loo :P

<sheepeatingtaz> popey, Neither do I , but I do it too

<GazzaK> popey, cloning/theft to order

<popey> right

<popey> like I can't just look at your car in the street?

<popey> the numberplate is in PLAIN VIEW

<popey> *boggle*

<GazzaK> yeah, but, if you are after a certain car, without driving round the whole country to find one

<popey> you think I need to drive the whole country to find an mx5?

<anto9us> yes, it's also searchable in most cases

<popey> I put it to you I could find one in minutes, if not seconds

<GazzaK> ie if I wanted to clone another red mx5's numberplate so I could speed through speed scameras, i'd look for a matching one online

<GazzaK> obviously, I'd have to find one with a gay stripe down it, and chavvy wheels

<GazzaK> as a normal person, ie not a policeman, from a numberplate, I can tell, age, tax band, engine size, if it is taxed and when the tax is due. if I use a insurance company online quote thing, I can then get the chassis number, if I use illegal means I can get name and address of current and ALL previous keepers

<binary2k2> GazzaK: you seem to know a lot about that

<popey> but you can get that from ANY car in the street

<popey> go to your local train station, I guarantee there will be an MX5 in the car park

<anto9us> well I found one but there's no number plate http://toyeast.ideoconcepts.com/productimage/ac1997b.jpg

<sheepeatingtaz> or hairdressers ;)

<GazzaK> yes, you can, but that involves walking about

<popey> no it doesn't

<popey> pfft

* popey gives up :)

<GazzaK> hehe

<GazzaK> popey, I don't totally know why we hide the plates, but it seems to be common practise, so I do

<GazzaK> anto9us, nice pic

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_309 bet yours doesn't have a debian sticker on the back :)

<GazzaK> VOLVO???

<popey> here we go

<GazzaK> thats a Volvo?

<popey> yes

<popey> it's 136MPH of fun

<popey> IMO

<GazzaK> a silver volvo

<GazzaK> mwhahahahaaaaaa

* GazzaK hides

<sheepeatingtaz> http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/blog/2006/04/15/suzi/

<popey> *sigh*

<GazzaK> popey, you are easy to wind up

<popey> possibly

<GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, hows ya head gasket?

<sheepeatingtaz> Guaranteed for 5 years :)

<GazzaK> see, it's so easy to come up with "the typical" comments, ie MX5 - hairdresser, Volvo - boring, Rover - head gasket/warranty

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_311 redhat kernels

<sheepeatingtaz> Mines not a Rover!

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_316 redhat kernels having gone pop

<sheepeatingtaz> popey, I did wonder wehat that was

<popey> popcorn :)

<popey> some marketing thing from a show

<GazzaK> it is a rover, it's a 214 with some barry bumper

* GazzaK giggles

<sheepeatingtaz> isn't

* sheepeatingtaz sulks

<GazzaK> you named it?

<GazzaK> (me will never admit to liking the rover 200 / MG)

<sheepeatingtaz> I name all my cars

<popey> you are a GIRL!

<popey> only girls name their cars :)

<sheepeatingtaz> The previous one was Jemima

<GazzaK> what can I call mine then? http://www.kearley.net/media/Images/mx5a.jpg

<popey> hehehe you said Jemima

<sheepeatingtaz> Almost, All cars are Girls

<popey> that's a euphamism for front bottom

<GazzaK> lol

<sheepeatingtaz> Sums up the car really :)

<sheepeatingtaz> I had Betty before that

<sheepeatingtaz> Lisa has Lula

<popey> my wife had Ronnie Renault

<anto9us> my grandad had Morris Minor

<GazzaK> so what the hell can I call my 5 then?

<GazzaK> foxy 5? Bob?

<sheepeatingtaz> looks like a Carol

<popey> Maureen

<sheepeatingtaz> Gert

<popey> The short form of Maureen is "Mo", and with the big gay stripe the car has a Mohecan

<popey> ergo, Maureen

<GazzaK> I have to say, with your naming skillz I feel so so sorry for your kids

<popey> hey

<popey> my sons initials are SMP!

<popey> Symmetric Multi Processing

<GazzaK> lol, poor kid

<popey> that isn't his name of course

<sheepeatingtaz> We've Agreed on Olivia Grace if/when we have agirl

<sheepeatingtaz> OGG

<popey> \o/

<sheepeatingtaz> lisa doesn't realise about the whole ogg thing, so I'm keeping quiet about it

<GazzaK> bad hair day? http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_308

<popey> yeah, Clare didn't realise about smp

<sheepeatingtaz> and she doesn't like Chewbacca for a boy

<popey> heh

<GazzaK> awwwww, me gets broody - http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_286

<sheepeatingtaz> (she's not pregnant btw, we jsut talk about it a lot!)

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/sophie

<popey> loads more

<GazzaK> and now i'm hungry http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/bbq3/Img_283

<GazzaK> damn this, when will they let me and Tom adopt :'(

* sheepeatingtaz really should go do some work

<GazzaK> OMG, love the dressing gown http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/sophie/dsc00575

<popey> that was one of the first times he walked unaided

<popey> iirc

<GazzaK> OMG, love the ickle hands http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/sophie/DSC01631

<popey> :) couple of hours old there, if that

<popey> you really are bored aren't you? :)

<GazzaK> yeah, sorry

<GazzaK> I've done my backups, and stuff, now I have nothing to do, unless someone breaks something

* popey breaks something

<anto9us> I've been working on my profile for a dating website

<anto9us> feedback please.... Description Awaiting Approval

<anto9us> The gayometer says I'm "20% gay and way to straight for these modern times mate!" Heh, you crazy kids and what you get up to these days, I just want to know if these jeans go with these boots. I try not to harm others, whatever species. A life valued and worth living is most precious. Religion, I've no time for but I have values greater than myself. I'm non-aggressive if quite headstrong. There's duality in all men, and wom

<anto9us> en too. When I see a woman's dark side, I've learned it's safest in the corner of the room trying to look as stupid as possible. I'm spontaneous and can be counted on being late for most things. A confident lover of good conversation and humour. A hearing impairment makes me a bit inept in loud groups and I welcome being clued up sometimes. Exercise (I do spurts of Aikido) and food are, as is fashionable these days, worth f

<anto9us> ocus. I've been vegan for almost 20 years and try to buy organic. I love cooking, strictly hot and spicy. My aloo gobi is to die for, as is my mushroom, pepper and rosemary penne. Pudding? OK, I'll go with sweets for my sweet but there'd better be something in it for me!

<popey> "Religion, I've no time for but I have values greater than myself. " that sounds pompous IMO

<anto9us> yep, that's what I was aiming for

<popey> "When I see a woman's dark side, I've learned it's safest in the corner of the room trying to look as stupid as" that wont win women over either IMO

<anto9us> ok, was meant as a joke, I'll reconsider it

<popey> and I don't like the last line

<popey> but what do I know, I'm not a bird :)

<anto9us> what's wrong with it?

<popey> sounds like you want to pay someone sweets for sex

<popey> IMO

<popey> which is wrong on a number of levels

<anto9us> yes It's suggestive and demanding? what more could she want?

<popey> *shrug*

<popey> a cuddle?

<popey> a kis?

<popey> an ear that listens?

<anto9us> now that's just taking the piss, you know I'm deaf you insensitive clod

<popey> haha

<popey> s/ear/person

<anto9us> well, I'm going to go with it for a while, see what feedback I get

<anto9us> I'll consider your comments if I change it, thanks mate :)

<GazzaK> sorry, but I just laughed at that exchange between you two

<GazzaK> "<popey> an ear that listens? <anto9us> now that's just taking the piss, you know I'm deaf you insensitive clod" hahaa

<GazzaK> my best mate is deaf btw anto9us.

<anto9us> I'm just deaf in one ear

<GazzaK> Robert (my friend) is deaf in both, but he has a cochlea (sp?) implant, which helps a bit

<GazzaK> and I keep missing things, like in loud places, or if there is background noises, kettle, tv etc

* mrben is likewise deaf in one ear

<GazzaK> but I can hear a buzzing from rooms away, ie like the buzzing you can get off the 110v shaver sockets

<GazzaK> and I had to choose my watch to make sure the action would not keep me awake

<GazzaK> I wanted a manual fancy watch, and in the end had to get a sekio

<GazzaK> eek, a seiko kinetic, as the click from that is so quiet it is very hard to hear, as a normal watch is too noisey, cost me £350

<anto9us> being deaf in one ear is a bit like being blind in one eye, you don't so much lose depth perception but are unable to detect direction of sound

<sheepeatingtaz> I have selctive hearing, does that count? :)

<anto9us> having all sounds going in through one ear can make everything garbled, the ability to know where sound is coming from helps automate the task of working out who's said what

<anto9us> in that you don't have to work it out, you just know

<anto9us> also, whichever side you're deaf on can effect your ability to process audio information and apply skills to it, right and left hemisphere of the brain have different skill sets

<GazzaK> what side makes you lazy like my partner?

<anto9us> dunno, try nagging in the other ear

<GazzaK> lol

<anto9us> A man goes to his doctor and says, "I don't think my wife's hearing is as good as it used to be, what should I do?" The doctor replies, "Try this test to find out for sure. When your wife is in the kitchen doing dishes, stand fifteen feet behind her and ask her a question, if she doesn't respond keep moving closer asking the question until she hears you."...

<anto9us> The man goes home and sees his wife preparing dinner. He stands fifteen feet behind her and says, "What's for dinner, honey?" He gets no response, so he moves to ten feet behind her and asks again. Still no response, so he moves to five feet. Again, no answer. Finally he stands directly behind her and says, "Honey, what's for supper?"...

<anto9us> She replies, "For the fourth time, CHICKEN!"

<GazzaK> lol

<Webspot> lol

<binary2k2> haha

<Seeker`> ...

<Seeker`> i dont get jokes

<anto9us> Deaf bloke: Hey, I just got my brand new hearing aid and it's fantastic!... His Friend: That's wonderful; what kind is it?... Deaf Bloke: 3:30

<anto9us> Seeker`, you didn't get the chicken joke?

<Webspot> lol

<popey> jpc

<Seeker`> lol

<anto9us> Doctor: "Mrs. Jones­ your hearing isn't getting any worse in your left ear, it appears you have a suppository stuck in there!"... Mrs. Jones: "Oooh! Well, that explains what happened to my hearing aid."

<binary2k2> ewww

<binary2k2> :P

<GazzaK> lol

<Seeker`> ouch

<Seeker`> did you see on the news about the guy that broke into a police station and stole all the toilets?

<Seeker`> the police said they have nothing to go on

<GazzaK> thats poor

<Webspot> hehe

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> see you got a joke Seeker`

<Seeker`> hehe

<GazzaK> I truckload of hair products were stolen last night from a warehouse near manchester

<GazzaK> Police released a statement saying they are combing the area for clues

<Seeker`> the police are combing the area?

<anto9us> A woman goes to her doctor. The doctor invites her into his office, says "Please. Take a seat." and asks "Now, how can I help you today?" She responds, rather tentively, "Well, this is all a bit embarrassing.." Doctor says, "Don't worry, this is all in the strictest confidence. I'm here to help." "Well." she says "I seem to have a severe and chronic flatulance problem, though, I'm quite lucky in that they're silent. At leas

<anto9us> t I've got that to be thankful for else it would be incredibly embarrassing. Would you believe I've actually let off 10 times since I walked in here!? Please doctor, is there anything you can do to help me?", the doctor responds, "Yes, certainly, I think first though we need to book you in for a hearing test."

<Webspot> lolololol

<binary2k2> i'm steeling that one

<GazzaK> how many hearing related jokes do you have anto9us

<anto9us> pardon?

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> SHALL I SAY THAT A BIT LOUDER

<anto9us> fitted with a hearing aid, the woman goes on her return visit to the doctor about her flatulence problem. "Doctor" she says "I'm *parp* desperate for some *parp* assistance *parp* on this *parp* flatulance *parp* problem *parp*. Can you help? *parp* *parp*... "Yes" says the doctor. He comes from behind his desk, goes to a very tall cupboard and takes out a 5 foot pole with 3 inch hook on the end. "What are you going to do w

<anto9us> ith that?!!" the woman shrieks in terror. The doctor responds, "I'm going to open a window. It bloody stinks in here!"

<binary2k2> lol

<mattl> anyone know how to install a font in GNOME?

<snail> mattl GNOME doesn't know about fonts, it's the X server that knows about fonts

<mattl> Um.. System > Preferences > Font > Details > Go to font folder

<apokryphos> ubotu: fonts

<ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer

<mattl> seems it's *that* simple.

<apokryphos> the guide looks pretty straightforward, yeah

<GazzaK> use automatix (hehehee)

* GazzaK hides

<mattl> yeah, but it can be done via the GUI.

<apokryphos> nooooo!

<apokryphos> ubotu: automatix

<ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe

<GazzaK> apokryphos, joking

<mattl> Why would I want automatix?

<apokryphos> GazzaK: any chance to use the factoid :P

<apokryphos> mattl: hopefully you wouldn't

<GazzaK> MattJ, if you like pain?

<GazzaK> or having nice untraceable faults, like I had

<GazzaK> nice automatix reply, is that new :p

<mattl> what software does it install?

<apokryphos> broken and old software?

<GazzaK> MattJ, if you must know, their site is getautomatix.com (I think)

<binary2k2> it's a script to install mp3 and other things

<mattl> GazzaK: poor Matt J is goingto get all these messages, aimed for me ;)

<popey> !WorksForMe

<ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.

<GazzaK> eek, there are two matt's, oops

<popey> i wouldn't encourage anyone to use automatix either

<GazzaK> sorry MattJ

<GazzaK> @pity mattl for having such a close nick to MattJ

* Ubugtu decapitates mattl conan the destroyer style for having such a close nick to MattJ

<sheepeatingtaz> mattl: I think there's lots of none free stuff, but it's all individually selectable

<mattl> haha. it installs Flash and Acrobat reader.

<popey> (if you want it to)

<GazzaK> popey, I used too, then I decided to not use it, and have had less problems

<GazzaK> a lot less

* GazzaK dances about, headbutting ubotu

<apokryphos> @lart GazzaK

* Ubugtu thwacks GazzaK with a BIG POINTY HOBBSEE OF DOOM

<binary2k2> more fun doing it the *right* way :p

<apokryphos> hah

<GazzaK> ADD moi, nahhh

<apokryphos> @lart GazzaK

* Ubugtu beats GazzaK senseless with a 50lb Unix manual

* GazzaK runs away

* GazzaK skips a bit too

<anto9us> sheepeatingtaz, going back a bit but yes, apparently selective hearing does count...

<anto9us> woman says: "This place is a mess! C'mon, You and I need to clean this place up, Your stuff is lying all over on the floor and you'll have no clothes to wear tomorrow unless we do the laundry right now!"...

<anto9us> man hears: "blah, blah, blah, blah, C'MON YOU AND I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, ON THE FLOOR blah, blah, NO CLOTHES blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, RIGHT NOW!

<binary2k2> nice :p

<GazzaK> http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1110/omggj5.jpg woooo

<GazzaK> nice beryl screenie

<popey> er

<chaddy> hmm, when I do screenies of the spinning cube they come out all corrupted, I suspect that of being a fanny up

<popey> that isn't a beryl screenie

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/screenshots/Screenshot_002 that is though :)

<mrben> popey: when is the 'Getting teh Beryl Candy' screencast?

<popey> heh

<popey> possibly next week

<popey> i have a week off work and am planning to do a few then

<mrben> \o/

<GazzaK> you have a week off work, and are gonna spend it doing screen captures, awww thats dedication, see jono thats why he should be a member :p

<jono> GazzaK: we talking about popey?

<GazzaK> <mrben> popey: when is the 'Getting teh Beryl Candy' screencast? <popey> possibly next week <popey> i have a week off work and am planning to do a few then

* GazzaK faints, awww my hero

* GazzaK hides from popey coming back from his coffee and killing me

* chaddy kills GazzaK

<chaddy> didn't expect that, did you?

<popey> heh

<anto9us> being killed is probably something best not expected

<anto9us> best to go quietly and peacefully in one's sleep like my grandad, not crying and screaming in terror like his passengers

<MattJ> GazzaK: :)

<chaddy> hehe anto9us

<sheepeatingtaz> jono: will this help popey at all: http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk/images/campaign.png

<sheepeatingtaz> I'm willing to add it to my signature and ditribute it :)

<jono> hehe

<jono> possibly

<GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, I thought we were gonna use the pink wig one?

* GazzaK dies again

<chaddy> ahh, that's popey! met him briefly at the ubuntu BOF at LRL06, /me twats himself for having crappy face and name recognition

<popey> ROCK ON

* chaddy decides to really get behind the "Popey for God" campaign

* popey has a desktop at home which has qemu installed... I sshed into home and did port forwarding of port 5910, I spark up a qemu virtual machine with -vnc 10, then vnc into it from here

<popey> so i have a window on my desktop here at work which is a vm running on a machine at home

<popey> \o/

<VooDoo> afternoon folks.

<popey> \o/ it is

<VooDoo> \o/ yay

<GazzaK> chaddy, http://www.kearley.net/victim.htm

<VooDoo> jesus GazzaK don't post links like that, nearly wanted to puke

<GazzaK> stare at it for longer then

<VooDoo> up yours :)

<popey> purrrdy

<chaddy> rainbow colours are my favourite, how did you know, GazzaK?

<GazzaK> kearley.net/I_hate_chaddy.html is the best one though

<GazzaK> owww, been a while since I did a bit of dodgy html coding

<GazzaK> and thats my 404 error page chaddy your not that special to me

<GazzaK> :p

<VooDoo> i think i'll not go to that link

<GazzaK> you already have

<GazzaK> just thought, while I was messing with bad html, id add it as my 404 error message

<VooDoo> you nasty man :)

<popey> http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/854a/

<popey> want

<GazzaK> lol

<mrben> popey: :)

<popey> a female geek in the office sent that link to me with the following text..

<popey> "I love his evil voice!"

<popey> that just doesn't look right somehow

<GazzaK> my dad has an interview today, I really hope he gets the job

<GazzaK> hehehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-DGUPDBiqg

<anto9us> hmmm... looking at the photos of some of these women on this dating sites, I think some of them are telling lies

<GazzaK> do any have pictures of models, yet voices like truck drivers from burnley?

<anto9us> I dunno what they sound like, you know I'm deaf you insensitive clod

<gord> is she still doing that monkey act? been doing that for forever

<GazzaK> you said deaf in one ear :p

<GazzaK> she is funny though

<GazzaK> <(o.o)>

<gord> I wish people would stop telling me to buy now else Ill miss Christmas delivery

<popey> righty

<popey> lunch!

<Seeker`> gord: buy now or else you'll miss Christmas delivery

* gord shakes his fist

<binary2k2> funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVsPKN-cAeo&NR

<anto9us> one might expect a higher level of knowledge there but to be fair, you could go to any town/city in any country and find equally stupid people and suspicions aside we have no idea of the sampling there, that's how a lot of these televised magic acts work, they do loads and only show the desired results

<binary2k2> true, still funny tho :p

<anto9us> there is a correlation between high consumption of processed foods, which some of those are obviously guilty of, and poor cognitive function

<gord> pfft, I eat tons of processed foods and I be plenty smat!

<binary2k2> did you know the moon landing was reecnarnated?

<anto9us> well, it's not universal like for like, it's a correlation

<loudmouthman> hey peeps

<loudmouthman> just dropping in briefly before getting back out to work.

<GazzaK> hey loudmouthman I'm just tidying my office, can see fake wood effect desk now

<GazzaK> how many computer weekly's can I stash!!!

<loudmouthman> Ahh how you love the Fake Wood eh <grin>

<GazzaK> wooo, found a 1gb DIMM

<gord> all I found when I cleaned my desk the other day was an old plaster id had on my finger like months before :(

<GazzaK> so far, reclaimed items:- 1 x 1024MB SDRAM module, 1 x can of anti-static foam cleaner, 1 x stack of seven Ubuntu CD's 5.10 from ship-it, 1 x loo roll, 1 x perfectly laminated Ubuntu Poster, 1 x Hard Hat, 1 x Hi-Vis Bib thingy, 1 x pair of glasses (needed them, thought i'd lost em), 1 x digital camera (thought that was at home), 1 x stack of business cards, 1 x large solder wire man, 2 x BBQ sauce's from McD's, 1 x old Dell Axim X5 PDA, a number of

<GazzaK> various Linux CDR's, 1 x CD drive, 2 x New Hard drives (40Gb boo), 1 x baystack switch, broken, with burn marks...

<GazzaK> blimey, I am a untidy person

<gord> all that just making your desk untidy whist kids in some part of the world where there is like no water or somethin' are diein', for shaaaame

<binary2k2> you should tidy more often, gold mine there

<GazzaK> yeah, but if I tidyed more often it'd not be such a gold mine

<GazzaK> who wants some ram?

* binary2k2 wants more ram

<loudmouthman> good business advice : your desk is not a lucky dip

<GazzaK> right, binary2k2 - DDR3200 1GB 3200 or 256MB 168pin PC133

<popey> moo

<popey> hey loudmouthman

<loudmouthman> hey popey

<popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda :)

<loudmouthman> I saw ..

<GazzaK> arghhhh, the shiney desk, it hurts they eyes

<loudmouthman> im working on mine and giving dsas a poke <grin>

<popey> \o/

<binary2k2> GazzaK: DDR3200 1GB :D

<popey> given the speed at which the cc meets, we might get an en-masse approval?

<loudmouthman> popey yeah that woudl be a good thing.

<GazzaK> binary2k2, can you honestly use it?

<loudmouthman> ive yet to email malcolm yates about being affiliated or partnered or whatever.

<GazzaK> popey, can you make sure I attend the CC meeting please

<binary2k2> GazzaK: i only have 256MB on this machine

<GazzaK> is that the right kind of ram though

<binary2k2> yeah, its 256 DDR

<gord> I can never remember what kind of ram my motherboards support and usually throw away the manual so I only ever end up buying new ram when I get a new motherboard

<popey> I am not your secretary GazzaK :D

<popey> I will let you know when it is though :)

<binary2k2> lshw confirms

<GazzaK> binary2k2, check the Motherboard can support 3200 for me please

<popey> or you could subscribe to the cc agenda page it you will see yourself :)

<GazzaK> popey, I was only gonna vote for you, but never mind :p

<binary2k2> GazzaK: oh, lshw when i don't SSH to anoth box says i have: DIMM SDRAM

<GazzaK> binary2k2, what make and model motherboard is this? and is this YOUR own machine?

<binary2k2> GazzaK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34777/

<binary2k2> and, yes, it's MY own machine

<binary2k2> GazzaK: HP Pavilion t741.uk

<popey> hahah

<loudmouthman> Popey I notice no one is linking to their Lunchpad profile though on the agenda page,

<loudmouthman> also I take it you sat in on the becoming a member speech .. was there anything unusual or unexpected ?

<GazzaK> binary2k2, if you want it, either pm me your postal address or email me gary [at] kearley [dot] net

<binary2k2> GazzaK: I'll send you a email

<popey> dunno, depends what you consider usual or expected loudmouthman :)

<popey> it was good fun

<popey> I can summarise

<popey> * if you contribute in any way which is measurable or detectable and plan to continue doing so, and can show you have support from others, you will likely get in

<loudmouthman> thats me screwed then.

<popey> why?

<popey> or were you being "funny"?

<loudmouthman> i was being ironic !

<loudmouthman> i left out the funny geddit <grin>

<popey> you see that's my problem, I don't get irony, we have an ironing lady for that

<loudmouthman> i always find it ironic when people dont get irony.

<loudmouthman> im putting my self forward on recommendation of Jono and I suspect so would you/are you . you are ... harumph past particplates!

<gord> I get far too annoyed when people say somethings ironic when its just not... dam you alanis morissette!

<GazzaK> binary2k2, it's in tonights post, smallish parcel, in jiffffy bag

<jono> wow lots of membership requests it seems

<jono> the CC will kick me :P

<popey> :)

<popey> when they finally get together :S

<snail> what's the url for the agenda?

<popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda

<snail> thanks

<binary2k2> GazzaK: thanks, I owe you like 10 beers :D

<popey> 10 babycham you mean?

<GazzaK> lol

<popey> :)

<popey> you big gay bear

<binary2k2> no 10 light beers :P

<popey> oooo.. MOTU at 3pm in #ubuntu-classroom

<GazzaK> ten beers, thats like almost a years worth of alcohol consumption for me!

<loudmouthman> popey it does look likes theres very good value in making sure the UKTeam is at the CC meeting in some capacity, one as a fanlcub and two as a mechanism for ensuring the CC can SeeSee the Community.

<popey> well, if we can all get in on one meet then we will all be there to support eachother

<popey> which would be really great for everyone

<snail> given how many people were in the new member talk, I'm surprised there are about 100 membership requests

<popey> and would be a great thing to promote our team

<popey> some people need to prepare before they submit themselves

<binary2k2> I got my linux-phobic friend to join jono's Ubuntu Community talk

<popey> some of us have been preparing for weeks :)

<binary2k2> he has no choice :P

<snail> popey: indeed

<jono> binary2k2, still Linux phobic?

<GazzaK> damn linuxphobes, should be lined up against the walls and shot

<binary2k2> jono: I got him to install kubuntu, but he still dual boots, and mostly uses windows

<jono> hehe

<jono> binary2k2, thats cool, it takes time for people to move fully :)

<binary2k2> funny thing is, he says he needs windows to use IRC

<binary2k2> because he uses some mIRC scripts

<jono> heh

<binary2k2> tho i got mIRC to work fine in wine, still won't move

<gord> mirc scripts - "how to make a bad program even worse"

<binary2k2> he aparently needs it for some modding he dose on some chat network, or somethin

* popey shudders @ mirc

<popey> when I very first started using linux I ran mirc under wine and then had one of those "what the *fsck* am I doing!?" moments

<popey> switched to xchat.. then earlier this year had another moment like that..

<popey> now use irssi :)

<mrben> heh I've only ever used irssi for long periods

<mrben> I tried Bitchx, but didn't like it

<popey> \o/ irssi

<mrben> and a bit of X-chat

<mrben> and chatzilla if I'm desperate

<popey> that's like saying "I tried anal sex, but didn't like it"

<mrben> but irssi is da bong

<popey> totally expected

<binary2k2> the only reason I tryed BitchX, was because it had bitch in it :p

<mrben> popey: I've heard rumours that some people like anal sex

<mrben> popey: whereas I've heard no such thing about bitchx

<mrben> ;)

<popey> heh

<popey> sounds fair

<gord> every time I see that awful quit message bitchx has my respect for said person drops like 10 points

<mrben> heh

<mrben> agreed

<popey> ok, every day, in every way I hate windows more..

<mrben> although I also dislike 'Ex-chat'

<mrben> popey: agreed

<popey> someone just installed i386 Windows on a 16GB box but std edition windows can't "see" more than 4GB of RAM..

<GazzaK> lol - i've never tried irssi

<popey> ..so I said "just upgrade the kernel" hehehehe

<popey> he had to reinstall the whole OS

<mrben> popey: roflmao

<popey> how backward!

<loudmouthman> Well at least the person is using IRC , irrespective of the client. Most people I chat to think irc is less prolific or userfriendly than MSN or Skype.

<popey> and this is win2k!

<popey> win2k3 even

<mrben> popey: original version of XP wouldn't correctly detect or partition harddrives >137GB

<mrben> so you had to have multiple partitions in order to install and then patch

<popey> indeed, I have bumped into that bundle of fun

<binary2k2> "Konversation terminated!" is what my client uses, kinda like it

<popey> same with NT and partitions over 2GB

* mrben has no idea what his quit message is

<popey> or 4GB iirc

<popey> ditto

<popey> i almost never use/see it

<popey> \o/ screen + irssi

<GazzaK> my quit message is funny

<popey> I think we'll be the judge of that

<loudmouthman> well the my most recent Ubuntu convert keeps getting amazed by the Ubuntu Way.

<GazzaK> GazzaK | car > ~/

* mrben -> coffee

<popey> not that I will see yours either because I ignore quits and joins and nick changes

<loudmouthman> he says things like " I just cant get over ,just installing and upgrading and not rebooting all the time"

<binary2k2> GazzaK: took me a full 2 seconds to get that the 1st time i saw it :p

<popey> GazzaK: you smoke a pipe in your car on the way home?

<GazzaK> :p

<popey> I like it in here

<popey> it's nice and friendly

<popey> isn't it?

<popey> ISN'T IT YOU BASTARDS!

<popey> ANSWER ME!

<GazzaK> fuck off

<popey> \o/

<loudmouthman> yeah channels dead ..

<gord> its only 2:50pm and the sun is nearly gone o_O global warming must be like... spinning the earth faster... or som't...

<PriceChild> ubuntu open week is about to start for the day

<PriceChild> #ubuntu-classroom

<PriceChild> first topic today is the MOTU

<binary2k2> last time i was in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat , my head nearly exploded

<Seeker`> gord: Its called "Winter"

<Seeker`> ooohhhhh, its almost Wintereenmas!!

<gord> homestar runner doesn't always do a christmas toon, don't get your hopes up

<GazzaK> Seeker`, is that a CRTL ALT DEL web comic reference?

<GazzaK> eeek, I spelled CTRL wrong, lol

* Seeker` nods

<GazzaK> sooo, I got rid of my spare ram, but no one wants any of the other stuff :'(

<binary2k2> if you wonna send it to me, i won't say no :P

<GazzaK> what all the other junk !

<binary2k2> sure, i collect all sorts of junk, almost have a whole PC worth now

<GazzaK> the other stuff, which you might like, is too heavy, i'd get shot for postage costs

<binary2k2> just don't send the BBQ sauce's from McD's :p

<GazzaK> lol

<binary2k2> I can help with P&P, seeing as its from the goodness of ya heart

<GazzaK> 1 x loo roll it is then

<gord> you could allways try that seven degrees of seperation thing, where apprently you are only seven people away from anyone else in the world. so you give say a hard-drive to someone and ask them to give it to someone else who they think might be close to where binary2k2 is, and they send it to someone else and so on till it gets there

<binary2k2> :p

<binary2k2> and no, i have enough loo roll

<GazzaK> but that means he'll end up with seven stalkers, rather than just one :p

<Seeker`> gord: The 7 degrees thing is meant to work with people you dont have regular contact with, i think

<gord> it should work with anyone Seeker`

<binary2k2> aslong as they're fit stalkers, i don't mind :D

<Seeker`> well yes

<binary2k2> and not homosideal, that's important

<Seeker`> but GazzaK knows binary2k2, so its a bit of a pointless exercise

<GazzaK> woo, just found a brand new, boxed black facia cdrom drive, have no idea what it was bought for

<GazzaK> do I?

<binary2k2> he dose?

<Seeker`> well, you are both sitting in this channel

<GazzaK> I know him only as a nick on irc, and his name reminds me of popey's screencasts :p

<gord> Seeker`, its more of a way to avoid postal charges ;)

<binary2k2> oi, i did a screencast

<binary2k2> well one anyway

<GazzaK> yes, thats why I said that

<binary2k2> you said, "popey's screencasts", that one's all mine baby :p

<popey> sorry

<popey> that's partly my fault

<popey> credit where it's due

<binary2k2> i only riped popey off a bit :p

<popey> :)

<popey> you want to do any more?

<GazzaK> I said his name reminded me of..... so :p

<binary2k2> I have the vid (well parts of) done, but i deed to edit them together and do audio

<binary2k2> but i do want to do more, yeah

<popey> cool

<popey> I will be doing more next week

<popey> and properly documenting it on the ubuntu wiki

<popey> rather than my crappy blog posts

<Seeker`> hmm

<Seeker`> i've just realised that i managed to convince a team of 8 or 9 people to use Ubuntu over SUSE :D

<Seeker`> as well as the 5 servers we are using

<loudmouthman> grrr i love techie people when they get entrenched in emotional attachments...

<loudmouthman> I have a names co box with a plesk control panel. it correctly sets up mailman BUT the mailserver does not have the aliases so mailman is not getting the mail delivered to it to repost. the response from the tech guys is " we dont support mailman " sigh....

* mrben returns

<Seeker`> wb

<binary2k2> bloody bastard indian callcenters selling phones!

<Seeker`> ...

<binary2k2> took 5 mins, of sayin "no", then i just hung up :p

<Seeker`> did they cold call you?

<binary2k2> yeah

<Seeker`> why bother with 5 mins of saying no?

<binary2k2> they call and say, "Hi, my name is (insert fake british name here), and i am calling you to offer you a free phone and X mins"

<Seeker`> just tell them that you cant talk right now as you have just caught fire

<binary2k2> because then neva shut up long enough to say !fuck off!!

<binary2k2> :p

<binary2k2> i'll do that next time :D

<Seeker`> or just put the phone down

<binary2k2> they some times ring back saying "sorry, we got disconnected" :p

<Seeker`> tell them you dont speak english

<binary2k2> how would i say that if i don't speek english?

<sheepeatingtaz> I've started using the one from xkcd.com (http://xkcd.com/c178.html) because it makes me laugh after I've hung up

<binary2k2> hahaha :p

<Seeker`> "I'm schrodinger's customer: You wont know wether you've made the sale until after you put the phone down"

<GazzaK> can anyone point me to nice a3 pictures to print and laminate to make nice wall decorations for my office?

<Seeker`> dont know about a3 pics

<GazzaK> and not porn, I found out the hard way thats not allowed

<Seeker`> but CTRL ALT DEL comic strips work well

<Seeker`> as would XKCD cartoons

<GazzaK> but they do not zoom to A3 too well

<Seeker`> why do they hvae to be A3?

<GazzaK> because thats the marks I have left after the dodgy last attempt

<GazzaK> lol

<sheepeatingtaz> xkcd ones could scale if you traced them in inkscape

<GazzaK> according to the office manager, nekid pics of cute men (or women, as he later added) even if not showing those particular body parts, are not really suitable

<sheepeatingtaz> I have a few Star Wars posters going spare ;)

<GazzaK> I can print full colour A3 for freeeeeee

<Seeker`> wow, Popey is asking questions like there is no tomorrow

<GazzaK> maybe he is serious?

<GazzaK> or are they still "do the MOTU have special powas"

<Seeker`> they are relatively serious

<binary2k2> GazzaK: MOTU now, Edubuntu at 16:00

<sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: I was right, xkcd ones do scale well :)

<GazzaK> linky?

<loudmouthman> Gazzak does your office manager realise that underneath clothes everyone is naked!

<GazzaK> doubt it

<GazzaK> and i'd rather never ever have that thought about him ever again

<popey> loudmouthman: why don't you put your name down now for membership?

<popey> that was a good session - MOTU

<loudmouthman> popey because 1) ive not got my stuff prepared and two I want to think seriously about it .

<GazzaK> * popey gives dholbach a big wet sloppy kiss - lol

<popey> oh ok

<popey> :)

<loudmouthman> not that others havent its just .. it took me a few days to think about the COC <grin>

<flo|va-nu-pied> Sandy Thom sounds good

<loudmouthman> oh gods ..gazzak stop sniggering!

<loudmouthman> but thanks for asking

<sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: xkcd.com

<Seeker`> blah

<popey> w000000000000000000000t

<popey> home time

* CieD sits at his breakfast bar

<Seeker`> pfft, slacker

<GazzaK> hehe, Seeker` this is my office wall

<GazzaK> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/500/medium/Img_0009.jpg

<Seeker`> cool

<Seeker`> i dont really have any walls to put stuff on

<loudmouthman> the tux one .. it just looks rude !

<loudmouthman> reminds me of the " I like big Booty " song.

<GazzaK> care to add? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1822543

<GazzaK> tux one is not rude :p

<loudmouthman> well to be honest my office has bare walls painted marine shell blue and its pretty stark.

<GazzaK> it cannot be as bad as white everything with horrid strip lights

<loudmouthman> well it was painted and designed by me

<GazzaK> :'(

<loudmouthman> anyway im off home from my other office so this will take some time to get home .

<neuro_> GazzaK: "Pic's"? :)

<GazzaK> neuro_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=309273

<neuro_> yeah, i know

<neuro_> "Pic's"?

<neuro_> sorry, i'm a bit of a grammar nazi

<neuro_> (which is why i'm on ubuntu-l10-en-GB :)

<GazzaK> boooo, Pictures then :p

<neuro_> "Pics", which is plural, not "Pic's" which is possessive.

<GazzaK> well, too late now, can't edit thread title

<neuro_> i know, i was just saying :)

* GazzaK bangs head on desk for not knowing english

<Seeker`> hometime

<Seeker`> seeya

<anti-net_> fair well!

<anti-net_> and evening all :)

<binary2k2> jono: in_flames_666 is that linux-phobic firend i was telling you about :P

<mattl> binary2k2: linuxphobia? fear of kernels?

<LoudMouthMan> popey ! ... stop code dropping <Grin>

<mattl> popey: if you're going to do that, you should at least do something like...

<mattl> C:\Documents and Settings\popey\dir *.txt > foo.txt

<binary2k2> mattl: ok, GNU/Linux-phobic :p

<mattl> binary2k2: what's their 'fear'?

<popey> grep Tell\ Shuttleworth\ I\ Love\ Him to_do_list.txt

<popey> grep Tell\ Shuttleworth\ I\ Love\ Him to_do_list.txt | wc -l

<popey> 1920128

<mattl> is it possible they're just not sure what it is?

<binary2k2> mattl: feer of switching to linux

<mattl> right, okay. that's easy enough.. work out what they do with their computer and show them ways we can do it better.

<binary2k2> i got him to install kubuntu, but he dual-boots, and mostly uses windoes tho

<binary2k2> i've showed him, but he's just a bit phobic, he like in MS comfort blanket :p

<binary2k2> s/in/his/

<LoudMouthMan> yeah popey this is so unlike the cool, co-ordinated well structured popey we know. its like the other day when you asked if you can ask <grin> . Popey are springs timesheets getting to you <grin.

<LoudMouthMan> but we love him for his Burns !

* Darkclaw allos

<LoudMouthMan> hello

<Seeker`> hi

<Darkclaw> Anyone using Atheos wireless cards with Dapper?

<LoudMouthMan> Darkclaw . not me , which is not helpful but lets you know that someone read your question. I can then ask .. have you checked in with the forums and the maillist ?

<LoudMouthMan> and the wiki ?

<Darkclaw> Spent coupla hours last night hunting on it, it seems Dapper comes with the MADwifi drivers that support Atheos, and one Ubuntu page mentions it, but no futher research atm

<Darkclaw> I knew the wireless card would be the one problem ;)

<LoudMouthMan> hmm is this a ndiswrapper answer then I wonder.

<LoudMouthMan> heheh well hang on a mo .

<Darkclaw> Yeah I think so, thou atm Dappers saying its unrecognized on ath0

<LoudMouthMan> DarkClaw

<LoudMouthMan> I can tell you

<LoudMouthMan> that my FujitsuSeimens uses that card and it works fine under Edgy .

<Darkclaw> humm ok.

<Darkclaw> Dapper was a fresh install last night - connected via ethernet ok to get it up to date (so many updates!)

<LoudMouthMan> I use a Amilo LG7310 .

<LoudMouthMan> I know some kernels are working better than others

<Darkclaw> the machine issa Toshiba Satelite Pro L series

<LoudMouthMan> so go look for Butlershouse or NikButler or loudmouthman in the wiki and forums and you'll find my comments.

<Darkclaw> AFK for 20mins BBl, yeah? Thanks LMM

<LoudMouthMan> hey I migth ghave helped and.. yet no karma points ... sigh !

<Seeker`> does anyone know how to merge packages?

<LoudMouthMan> well id suggest smasshing two pcs together .. but I dont feel thats helpful . however your questoins suggest we really could do with mentoring of new developers and so I will remember to add this to the next agenda!

<LoudMouthMan> actually I want to get Popeys mentoring thing into our project list and I want to promote that on some level since its another type of support and teaching people to fish thing.

<Seeker`> everyone has gone quiet in motu

<Darkclaw> re

<LoudMouthMan> paging Jono if hes not to bust for a couple of private questions pal !

<LoudMouthMan> re ?

<LoudMouthMan> motu ?

<LoudMouthMan> quiet ?

<Darkclaw> Bah I think this laptop had a hardware fault, either HD or RAm

<LoudMouthMan> Darkclaw where are you based again ?

<Darkclaw> Lincs

<Darkclaw> crc error / Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)

<LoudMouthMan> Darkclaw yeah that sounds like badness of the worst kind..

<binary2k2> Darkclaw: sounds like a problem with initrd

<LoudMouthMan> try a live CD . and when it boots mount and read the HD .

<Darkclaw> Was fine last night, even after the reboot for updates

<LoudMouthMan> thenopen a terminal and just tail -f /var/log/syslog

<LoudMouthMan> see if there are HD error messages

<Darkclaw> Yeah ok

<binary2k2> i got that error when i messed up one of my initrd.img-blah's

<popey> moo

<Darkclaw> Well the only thing I did last night apart from auto update and the flash plugin for Firefox - was to change the root password :P

<GazzaK> popey, baaaaa

<GazzaK> not a member yet then popey

<popey> no, and my lovely paste in the middle of marks talk wont help :)

<GazzaK> what was that then? I missed it

<GazzaK> can you copy it here?

<LoudMouthMan> hey Mooo .

<GazzaK> it wasn't " sabdfl, can I marry you and have your children, please, love popey " was it?

<LoudMouthMan> popey .. I thought it was your clever guerilla draw attention to yourself tactic...

* Darkclaw hummms, Live CD has died mid way throu Gnome starting up (loading icons)

<LoudMouthMan> I thought it was another clever Hants Mafia tactic...

<LoudMouthMan> Darkclaw reburn that cd .. and then just burn that laptop !

* Darkclaw chuckles, "CD is an original :)"

<Darkclaw> Yeah this Laptop is frigged, s'only 3 months old thou

<Darkclaw> Mind if I ask about wireless drivers on Dapper for a different card? ;) Netgear PCI w/TI chipset :P

<LoudMouthMan> Darkclaw ..try to download the image from the net and burn it and give it a go .

<Darkclaw> I do have another original CD here thou its an older version (5.10)

<Darkclaw> I know the CD's Ok thou - its run on THIS pc just fine

<Darkclaw> Its started this time

<GazzaK> could it be a dirty cdrom drive?

<LoudMouthMan> snigger: dirty cds , hehehehe

<Darkclaw> no - too new and problems unrelated (HD install has died too)

<LoudMouthMan> Hey Popey : I want to add the whole mentoring thing to our projects list. what do youfeel should be the first / next step ?

<Darkclaw> ok lessee if I can mount the HD at least *fnarfnar*

<Darkclaw> nope - device /dev/hda1 is not removable

<binary2k2> Darkclaw: is that with pmount?

<Darkclaw> should do what those guys on You Tube did and smash it up with a sledgehammer outside the shop

<binary2k2> use mount insted

<Darkclaw> Yeah - could not execute pmount

<binary2k2> use mount /dev/hda1 /mnt

<Darkclaw> LOL - only root can do that

<Darkclaw> whats root pass on the Live CD?

<binary2k2> ok, sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt

<binary2k2> no pass

<Darkclaw> well no error msg

<binary2k2> then it should be mounted in /mnt

<Darkclaw> yeah its there now, i'm on it

<Darkclaw> Well syslog on the HD ends on it terminating last night - nothing after. No obvious hda read/write errors llisted

<LoudMouthMan> Darkclaw .. ugger . well thats good i spose.

<LoudMouthMan> darkis the wireless working ?

<LoudMouthMan> and is this the older cd?

<Darkclaw> no this is Dapper, currently on Live CD, just looking throu the message logfile on hda1

<Darkclaw> lemem see if I can get Wireless to do anything in the meantime

<Darkclaw> from the messages logfile it seems it DID recognise the Atheos card ok

<LoudMouthMan> my thougths egggractly

<LoudMouthMan> then this kerneli is a good kernel.

* Darkclaw tries his WEP key, (Activating...)

<Darkclaw> wierd though, the messages log shows it mounted ath0 fine, found its speeds, encryption etc. Its odd it was still listed as 'Unknown'

<Darkclaw> Nah

<Darkclaw> under network tools the wireless card doesnt have a hardware address - it aint playing ball

<LoudMouthMan> Darkclaw . hmm did try rebooting with noapic ?

<Darkclaw> not yet

<popey> LoudMouthMan: what kind of mentoring?

<popey> you talking ubuntu -buddies

<popey> Darkclaw: how much memory does your pc have?

<Darkclaw> see if it'll boot up first I guess

<LoudMouthMan> popey : no development mentoring

<LoudMouthMan> youve brought it up a few times.

<popey> :)

<popey> i have

<popey> for partly selfish reasons

<LoudMouthMan> selfish reasons are not always bad.

<LoudMouthMan> if it were possible let this cup pass from me and all that !

<popey> might join ubuntu-devel mailing list and ask there

<LoudMouthMan> popey .. either way . .its an important part of the whole "How Do O " or HDI process.

<dsas> development mentoring as in writing programs?

<dsas> or as in personal development?

<popey> 80% former, 20% latter as a result of the former

<dsas> Hmm, what kind of ideas do you have? What are you expecting in the way of mentoring from Ubuntu?

<Darkclaw> heh, its booted from HD now

<popey> i.e. I have three programs I would like to develop and I would like someone to help me because I have had no formal development training (never went to Uni for example)

<popey> and would like some "zero to hero" type help

<popey> what should I focus on first etc

<binary2k2> Darkclaw: it's working now?

<Darkclaw> yeah gonna restart, hit ESC and enter noapic = see if that helps the wireless problem

<binary2k2> ok, let us know

<dsas> popey: Have you already used python? (for example), I'd imagine the best way of getting mentoring is to start something, announce it, and ask for help

<dsas> People are more likely to chip in if they see it's not just vapourware.

<popey> i have done a little python, yes, not much though

<Darkclaw> ok - its booting

<popey> but that's the problem

<gord> hurrarh, another day completed successfully without the earth being destroyed

<dsas> gord: there's another 4 hours yet?

<popey> I am not the worlds best developer so getting stuff started is my first stumbler

<popey> do i write a spec, design the screens, mock up the screens, start coding etc

<gord> pfft, the day is 20 hours long dsas, everyone knows that

<dsas> hmm. Just wondering what the concept of the mentoring thing was.

<popey> 32 hours in a day!

<popey> well, imagine you have zero coding knowledge

<popey> and you want to start

<Darkclaw> ook power low, ok its booted ok

<popey> it's about having people who will coach you along

<dsas> popey: Yeah, it just seems like part of the problem is lack of documentation on how to go about these things.

<gord> getting programs started is the easy part, its the part where you realise that your original idea for the system is flawed and you have to re-code half the project thats hard to get past... just easyer to start something else instead...

<Darkclaw> ok dumb question #8265 How do you turn off the password screen when entering admin bits on X?

<popey> Darkclaw: why do you want to?

<popey> it's a security measure

<popey> and it won't ask you again for another 5 mins or so

<Darkclaw> Why would I want to turn it off? Becasue its pissing me off ;) LOL

<popey> hmm, 15 mins actually

<Darkclaw> could switch to root and restart X I suppose

<popey> no

<popey> don't do that

<popey> seriously, some of these measures are for your protection

<Darkclaw> humm anyways, ath0 is still dead

<popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo

<popey> read that

<gord> I find it annoying to have to get out my key to unlock my front door, I wouldn't think of just leaving it unlocked though

<popey> heh

<Darkclaw> Yeah I know the dangers, I run 2 CentOS power edge web servers

<popey> those two statements are completely unrelated

<Darkclaw> Yeah but on this laptop - which no one around, and no wireless - its fairly safe

<popey> but by implication you are planning to turn this feature off

<Darkclaw> Well you talk about the dangers of logging in as root...

<popey> yes, because you could ask me a question, and i could answer you with a rogue website you might visit on that machine, and that website might have code that could own your machine.. I win, you lose.

<popey> all we can do is make you aware of the issues of course, it's up to you to implement sensible security measures that you are happy with

<Darkclaw> well yes, given the right envirmentals - but this is a fresh install on an otherwise empty laptop

<Darkclaw> I appreciate that

<popey> heh

<popey> so even worse

<popey> it doesn't have security updates

<popey> it will be vulnerable the second you plug it into a network / wireless :)

<Darkclaw> LOL thought that was Windows??

<gord> its the same kind of setup that windows uses yes

<popey> what? you think that Linux is somehow immune from attack?

<popey> think again

<Darkclaw> LOL - no I know that I tail the auth logs on our servers - thou Firewall stops everything cept our IP's

<Darkclaw> wireless router runs a NAT / SPI Firewall

<popey> firewall wouldn't prevent someone attacking you if you visit a suspect site in firefox running as root

<Darkclaw> Very true :) And If I get as far as being able to surf to such a site on wireless - i'll be happy anyways

<binary2k2> with a nicely crafted java script

<popey> firefox would execute the suspect code *as* *root*, and your machine would then be compromised.. a rootkit could be installed, they could add a packet sniffer to look out for other passwords on your lan

<popey> hahahah

<popey> yeah, that's stumbling block number one

<popey> get it on the net :)

<popey> perfect security :)

<Darkclaw> ok, so any ideas on this Atheos card? ;)

<binary2k2> Darkclaw: this has a list of wireless cars and if they are supported: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WirelessChipsets

<GazzaK> wireless cars, cool

<Darkclaw> heheh

<gord> vroom vrooooom

<Darkclaw> humm this is AR5BMB5

<binary2k2> Darkclaw: look at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=445231

<Darkclaw> http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility

<Darkclaw> Search for AR5BMB5

<Darkclaw> Says: "Toshiba OEM Part (installed in SATELLITE L20-132). Works well with 0.9.2 source version with gentoo-2.6.17-gentoo-r7 and centrino freq modulation turned on"

<gord> sooo... it is a wireless car?

<Darkclaw> humm ok

<Darkclaw> that page is helpful yeah - seems its a dodgey old chip ;_

<GazzaK> binary2k2, thats a lot of pints you owe me http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/partspecs.Asp?IMODULE=CT12864Z40B

*** tsmithe-` is now known as tsmithe

<binary2k2> GazzaK: is that with or without VAT? :p

<Darkclaw> pfft 'No manual entry for ndiswrapper' (Showing his newbieness now sorry :P)

<GazzaK> well, beer is with VAT :p

<tsmithe> beer has vat?

<binary2k2> actually, yes

<GazzaK> thats about 25 pints, so with my consumption, about 2 years worth

<tsmithe> outrage!

<GazzaK> binary2k2, I lie, it was this one, bought from insight uk too http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpresentation/index.php?product_id=KTEA03OJ5&nbs_search=C%3D107%26S%3D1043%26lang%3Den-gb%26K%3D%26M%3D%264641v%3DDDR%2BSDRAM%264692v%3D1%264637v%3D400%2520MHz

<GazzaK> eeeek, big link, sorry

* GazzaK repeats "I must use tinyurl" 10x

<Darkclaw> blimey ;)

<tsmithe> that has a lot of %s in it

<Darkclaw> fulla S%innit?

<gord> blimey bananaman, that looks like a job for tinyurl! to the banana-mobile!

<GazzaK> http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpresentation/index.php?product_id=KTEA03OJ5

<GazzaK> there :p

<binary2k2> tiny(er)url http://tinyurl.com/smaue

<GazzaK> @pity 10 GazzaK for posting stoooopid long pointless urls

* Ubugtu holds GazzaK to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails for posting stoooopid long pointless urls

<GazzaK> who wants to collect a nortel 24 port switch?

<GazzaK> I have three, one with fire damage :p

<GazzaK> rackmountable

<tsmithe> a what?

<gord> if you don't know what it is, you prolly don't have a need for it ;)

<tsmithe> that's not something to do with your perverse sadism is it, GazzaK ?... "rack"...

<binary2k2> GazzaK: add the tinyrul button to the bookmarks toolbar in firefox and you can make a tinyurl with one click

*** tsmithe is now known as tsmithe-afk

<GazzaK> rackmountable, as in can fit in a 19" server room stylee rack

<Darkclaw> nice - what speed? 100Mbit?

* Darkclaw gets the reqd inf file from the windows drivers (wireless card still..)

<dsas> hmm, I've just come across people describe knitting as "fibre arts"

<GazzaK> 10/100 with 1000 fibre port

<Darkclaw> oooh

<GazzaK> oww, two 1000 fibre ports

<masterninja> ahoy

<Darkclaw> Well I know me IT mate at work wouldn't say no - but you don't wanna be giving them away to companies ;)

<masterninja> oi

<masterninja> whats that amazing free vector program?

<masterninja> i cant remember the name of it

<dsas> masterninja: inkscape

<masterninja> thats the one

<GazzaK> Darkclaw, too right, companies are a no no http://tinyurl.com/tq4qj

<Darkclaw> chuckles

<masterninja> just got me cinelerra for my video editing for uni

<masterninja> i du

<masterninja> i dont know know how it competes against avid*

<Darkclaw> never tried it - thou we use Avid at work ;P

<Darkclaw> bloated POS

<GazzaK> companies can buy their own, i'll only ever give away my companies stuff (hehe) to private users or OSS orgs

<masterninja> whats your line of work?

<masterninja> tv?

<Darkclaw> publishing, with a Video arm

<masterninja> oh right

* Darkclaw nods to GazzaK too right

<masterninja> im going into film BA

<Darkclaw> Cool

<masterninja> we learning 16mm film and weve got AVID NITRUS KITS!!! at least thats what I think there called

<Darkclaw> Tried Avid Express yet?

<masterninja> na im upgrading my pc to use it

<Darkclaw> heh

<GazzaK> bollox, I missed jono on #ubuntu-classroom at 1700

<masterninja> but i watch the film ba do some editing with it since alot of my mates are con the course

<masterninja> the machine is so sweet with dual 20 inch monitors

<masterninja> and a big fat mixing desk

* Darkclaw chuckles

<Darkclaw> Thats what we use too, CRT's thou

<masterninja> na our monitors are special ones that display colours almost just like real life

<gord> I was having my tea at 1700, I feel I made the right choice as it was chippy chips from the chip shop

<GazzaK> chippy chips, yummy

<GazzaK> with vinegar?

<masterninja> guess what the video card for the avid suites are?

<masterninja> go on have a guess

<masterninja> THIS: http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/peripherals/quadroplex.JPG

<Darkclaw> use Lacie monitors?

<masterninja> not sure but they looked like they where

<masterninja> were*

<masterninja> either those or sony

<Darkclaw> Jeeze wish I'd not set Pirates/ Caribbean 2 copying to my USB drive before needing to use it for this driver file copying :P

* Darkclaw pokes SL

<Darkclaw> 10 mins remanining - BAh bloody USB 1 on front of this PC :P

<Darkclaw> eh Ubuntu has crashed

<Darkclaw> or at least the laptop has locked up ;) I doubt its Ubuntu's fault

<littletank> good evening anything interesting happening?

<binary2k2> define "interesting" :p

<littletank> I am here to learn

<gord> GazzaK shot some guys then we all robbed a panda from the zoo, but apart from that, no, nothing

<littletank> poor panda

<GazzaK> O_O

<gord> no its cool, he has some bamboo and is watching terminator 2 on dvd

<GazzaK> I did hear of a lady at works little girl who "borrowed" a penguin from the zoo

<littletank> How do I arrange for two boxes to access the same printer?

<GazzaK> connect the printer to the network with a jet direct style box?

<binary2k2> share the printer

<GazzaK> share the printer off one computer

<Darkclaw> wireless print server?

<littletank> Assume one of the printers is remote

<GazzaK> that would be a neat way yes Darkclaw

<GazzaK> how remote

<littletank> within wireless distance

<GazzaK> did you want the local pc to be on when the remote pc wants to print?

<littletank> yes

<GazzaK> just share the printer on the locally attached printer

<littletank> I have heard mention of CUPS

<GazzaK> or use one of these http://www.netgear.co.uk/wireless_print_server_wgps606.php

<Darkclaw> swish - but expensive

* GazzaK doesn't print at the mo, so is clueless about uby's printing

<Darkclaw> pity its too small a market to make a ADSL / router / printer server in one

* Darkclaw trawls the syslog - see why it locked up

<littletank> We use a wireless router

<littletank> Never mind I thought I would try

<Darkclaw> yeah share the printer on one PC is best way - unless the printer has an ethernet port ;) (and assuming your router has a 4 port hub too ;)

<Darkclaw> Hey GazzaK / LMM - this last lock-up on this laptop was definatly hardware - the logs are -blank- it happened too fast ;)

<GazzaK> littletank, is it a usb or parallel port printer?

<littletank> parallel

<masterninja> i wanted a nvidia wallpaper but there all crap :(

<GazzaK> Darkclaw, is the machine under warranty?

<Darkclaw> yeah

<Darkclaw> 2'only 3 motnhs old

<Darkclaw> oops

<GazzaK> littletank, how about http://tinyurl.com/y9d5cx

<GazzaK> claim under warranty then? Darkclaw

<littletank> Thanks I will have a look

<binary2k2> aww, how cute is that :p

<Darkclaw> assuming you have an ethernet point on your router

<Darkclaw> many don't

<GazzaK> binary2k2, best bit is this "Removes the performance bottleneck associated with an always-on PC acting as the print server"

<Darkclaw> Yeah Gazza - will have to - guess I better pretend to reinstall Win XP home on it, or they'll claim its Linux-related

<GazzaK> saves having to have pc1 on when pc2 wants to print

<GazzaK> Darkclaw, have fun, what manufacturer is it?

<Darkclaw> Toshiba

<littletank> Right I will sign off and go and have a look

<binary2k2> my "pc1" is always on anyway

<GazzaK> don't tosh still do their VERY comprehensive diags/

<Darkclaw> its back up again - could at leats try using ndis and the windows inf file for this wireless card I suppose ;)

<Darkclaw> No idea, hopefully!

<Darkclaw> BTW the Ubuntu memtest util locked up on it twice when I tried it :P

<GazzaK> Darkclaw, http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_modSel.jsp

<GazzaK> what model/family is it?

* Darkclaw is UK :)

<Darkclaw> Its the Satellite Pro L20

<masterninja> should i build my own pc would it be cheaper?

<masterninja> as in build one from scratch

<masterninja> including case and mice and screen and everything

<popey> i dont think building PCs is that cost effective really

<Darkclaw> marginally ;)

<popey> there is so little in it

<popey> the benefit is that you know exactly what hardware is in the case

<Darkclaw> its very close nowadays - I'd go dell sadly

<masterninja> yeah but you end up with exactly what you want

<binary2k2> it's only realy cheeper when you buy in buld now

<masterninja> bulk* :P

<Darkclaw> can with Dell - Athlons across the range now too - which is nice

<binary2k2> s/buld/bulk/

<Darkclaw> or AMD I should say

<masterninja> amd are sexy intel are poo

<Darkclaw> but prices are so dammed cheap ATM anyways

<masterninja> and on boxing day everythings like 10% off

<masterninja> none of famliy buy christams presents till feb XD

<masterninja> my*

<masterninja> that way its all lowered in price

<binary2k2> most expencive part's normaly the cpu, unless you get a realy good graphics card

<Darkclaw> ok, quick walkthrou on using ndis with the windows driver for the wireless card if poss?

<masterninja> What do i need to edit hour long miniDV tapes? I'm talking RAM, HDD, GFX card

<masterninja> ndis is evil hard i buy cards that work with linux :P

<binary2k2> it's a laptop

<Darkclaw> lol

<masterninja> oh

<masterninja> what built in?

<binary2k2> yep

<masterninja> disable it and buy a card

<masterninja> be lazy its easier

<Darkclaw> well it seems the Atheos chipset used on this NEW laptop isnt ssupported by Madwifi now as its faulty ;) LOL

<Darkclaw> But it will work this way, if I can get it going with ndis

<popey> heh

<masterninja> im getting errors when some programs boot up

<popey> yeah, a nice cheap unsupported usb wireless card will do nicely :)