<cafuego> And then...!

<cafuego> Then suddently downloads went at 900Kb/sec!

<Phlosten> woot!

<Phlosten> wow, lot less work getting into a distance ed uni course than trying to get on campus

<cafuego> the joyness of dsl2 :-)

<cafuego> Now all I need is a new modem.

<cafuego> To go from 8Mbit to 20-odd mbit

<Phlosten> cafuego, niceness

<Phlosten> you can now get spam so much quicker

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<retox> hello

<siccness> hello

<cafuego> Phlosten: well, would have been able to, if mail wasn't broken.

<retox> ah there are ppl in here i was worried

<Phlosten> haha

<cafuego> Phlosten: My postfix setup had changed from working to retarded

<Phlosten> retox, people? god no, we are robots

<retox> oh even better

<cafuego> Phlosten: refuses to do tls auth when relaying

<Phlosten> we dont mix with those types anymore :)

<siccness> except our robots are embedded windows systems

<Phlosten> cafuego, nice

<siccness> so we cant actually do anything

<retox> hahaha

* Phlosten hands cafuego some tarzan grip

<Phlosten> siccness, we can do something, we can look retarded

<retox> so am i in the right place to get help with using ubuntu?

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<siccness> Sure are, retox

<Phlosten> retox, yes, much better help than in #allhailwindows

<retox> excelent because im about as big a noob as you will find

<siccness> gotta start somewhere, retox :)

<retox> yeah im learning little by little and i cant afford windows anyway so i have no choice

<siccness> Hehe, fair enough :)

<merlin-linux> morning all

<siccness> Afternoon, merlin-linux :)

<retox> anywho ive fond it easy enough to use except i have no idea how to install new programs cos the .exe files wont open

<siccness> Ok, Linux cannot open windows applications (.exe) files.

<retox> good morning merlin

<retox> oh

<Phlosten> retox, that 'cant afford Windows' seems to rear its head quite a lot lately

<retox> yeah well the more money they ask for the less ppl will spend

<siccness> Don't be put off by this though, retox. Linux offer a hell of a lot of software packages that often somewhat of a 'clone' of Windows based applications, and usually worked on by the community to improve them in someway.

<cafuego> Can't afford it as in "costs too much" or as in "doesn't allow me to work the way i need to" ? ;-)

<Phlosten> cafuego, just the $'s

<retox> cant afford as in broke student

<DarkMageZ> Phlosten, it's cause alot of pirates got annoyed by the WGA :P

<Phlosten> DarkMageZ, WGA = good for Linux \o/

<cafuego> a copied cd is still genruine windows, byte for byte the same :-P

<retox> yeah

<Phlosten> Its Genuinely Authentically copied

<DarkMageZ> Phlosten, if it wasn't for the WGA. i might not be here. i think it was the final push

<retox> but linux is more stable and virus prof these factors appeal to me

* DarkMageZ could argue the stable...

<retox> proof*

<DarkMageZ> binary ati drivers ftl

<retox> well im a new user i can only go on what ppl have told me

<Phlosten> DarkMageZ, he did say 'more' stable

<siccness> 100 well-known viruses to linux, as opposed to 70,000+ for windows. tough choice isnt it.

<siccness> actually remove the word 'well-known'

<retox> tre

<Phlosten> the only real thing that is stable is 'Hello World'

<retox> true

<Phlosten> well-known = kinda-known

<Phlosten> only by wierd geeky people like siccness

<Phlosten> :D

* siccness smacks Phlosten, I shall taunt you till your death!

<DarkMageZ> Phlosten, i still stand by my statement.

* Phlosten be's taunted

<Phlosten> DarkMageZ, what if ATI is removed from the picture?

<retox> so basicly if i want to install new programs on linux i have to find compatible ones?

<DarkMageZ> Phlosten, i couldn't say :P

<Phlosten> retox, either find alternate programs or look into using Wine

<retox> wine?

<DarkMageZ> Phlosten, tho. Fiesty will come with Binary drivers by default. so then ubuntu will be unstable :)

<siccness> retox: wine basically allows you to run windows applications (although it's not exactly great)

<Phlosten> yeah, as siccness says, rather hit and miss,

<retox> oh so where would i find this wine?

<siccness> retox: what applications are you particularly interested in installing?

<Phlosten> retox, check out www.winehq.org

<retox> cool thanks

<merlin-linux> siccness: whats up?

<Phlosten> retox, you could also keep in mind running something like VMWare as a way to run Windows from Linux

<siccness> Not much mate, yourself?

<Tatey> I find Linux applications to be superior to their Windows counter-parts, unless you're chasing something specific like Adobe Photosho[

<merlin-linux> about the same

<Tatey> *Photoshop

<siccness> Tatey: Indeed.

<retox> what is this VMWare and what exactly does it do?

<siccness> VMWare is software that virtually runs another operating system

<Phlosten> the Linux graphics world will rock when GEGL finally gets finished

<siccness> retox: So yuo could run Windows from Linux

<siccness> or Linux from Windows, if you wished.

<retox> oh cool

<retox> i spose a dodgy copy of windows would suffice for that purpose

<Phlosten> retox, as an example I have 1 or 2 windows applications that I need to use, so I run Windows in VMWare the few times I need them

<siccness> retox: what particular application(s) from windows are you trying to run though?

<Tatey> GEGL?

<Phlosten> retox, and then I retain the stability of Linux underneath

<Phlosten> Tatey, http://www.gegl.org/

<Phlosten> Tatey, GEGL will add CYMK and lots of other cool stuff

<Tatey> nice Phlosten

<retox> MYOB Photoshop and a few others

<siccness> Heh

<retox> this VMWare seems like a good idea

<siccness> I'd say VMWare would be your best option

<siccness> (either that or dual-boot)

<retox> im currently on dual boot but my new computer isnt going to be im just trying ubuntu out on my laptop

<Phlosten> retox, what sort of work do you do with PS?

<retox> one last question where would one find these linux compatable programs?

<retox> nothing yet im just starting out but it was the first thing i tries to load on my computer

<retox> tried*

<siccness> I'm assuming you're using Ubuntu, rather than Kubuntu?

<retox> yeah

<Phlosten> retox, The Gimp is more than capable of doing web based image work etc, but if its print stuff it doesnt work quite so well

<retox> cool

<Phlosten> retox, if you are getting into graphics, check out Blender as well

<siccness> retox: You can use Synaptec to download/install applications

<retox> i havent realy had a chance to cheak out all the free stuff that comes with ubuntu

<Phlosten> retox, your best bet to find alternate programs is doing what you are doing now, ask people

<siccness> how you access synaptec, i have no idea (i havent used ubuntu in quite awhile) (but it's somewhere under "Desktop" [at the top of your screen])

<Phlosten> retox, Ubuntu has like over 18000 packages in the repositories

<retox> ok

<retox> thats a lot

<Phlosten> retox, System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager

<siccness> ^thanks, i was clearly wrong ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, you sure were ;)

<Phlosten> retox, its a lot to sort through, so if you are not sure what you are looking for it can be a little overwhelming

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: but you know what's even easier to use? emerge -s :)

<retox> i spose ill just muddle my way through

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, alias emerge=apt-get ;)

<siccness> bahaha

<Phlosten> retox, its a matter of unlearning what you already know and learning a new way :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know how to find Xp minimum requirements on the MS site?

<retox> ah well i must be off thanks for all the help im sure ill be back again

* Kamping_Kaiser cant find them. just vista advertising

<siccness> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/sysreqs.mspx

<retox> dam i suck at learning :)

<Jeremy23> Kamping_Kaiser: at least 400MHz with 192MB of RAM will be sort of OK.

<retox> unlearning i can do

<Kamping_Kaiser> thanks siccness

<retox> farewell all thanks for the help...till next time

<siccness> retox: Take care mate.

<siccness> Boy, the Windows XP to Windows VISTA requirements really did jump steeply

<Phlosten> 233MHz minimum?! are you kidding me?

<siccness> Yes well you'd be downright crazy to even try it.

<DarkMageZ> well you need to consider how OLD xp is. really the minimum specs for vista are just the evolution of computers

<Phlosten> here Mr Windows Man, have a 233MHz machine and 'you' install xp on it for me

<siccness> DarkMageZ: Yes.

<Kamping_Kaiser> server 2k3 minimum spec is 133mhz

<Phlosten> o_O

<siccness> and 128mb ram

<Kamping_Kaiser> iirc

<Kamping_Kaiser> ^^

<siccness> but the fact is, you're not going to run a server on that.

<siccness> unless the server is pissant for 1 user.

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, you wont anyway

<Phlosten> yeah, excellent use of a 2k3 licence

* Kamping_Kaiser has a 166 to put MS to the test

<Phlosten> the licence would be worth more than the pc

<siccness> Phlosten: per-seat baby :D

<siccness> per-seat licencing, i have 1 seat, 40 machines :D

<Phlosten> i have a K6-2/300 spare, its XP ready! woot

<Phlosten> if i had a copy of xp i would try it

<DarkMageZ> Phlosten, oh, i threw out a K6-2/400 processor just yesterday :P

<Phlosten> DarkMageZ, awww :(

<siccness> What?

<siccness> Why?

<siccness> I woulda taken it off ya hands

<Phlosten> DarkMageZ, i have a K6-2/500 still doing useful work for me

<DarkMageZ> i was cleaning up, i had to get rid of stuff

<Kamping_Kaiser> DarkMageZ, you could have resissted!

* Kamping_Kaiser got 4 more compueters yesterday

<DarkMageZ> Kamping_Kaiser, it was that or move out of home

<DarkMageZ> if you think that's bad, you don't want to know what else i threw out

<Kamping_Kaiser> priorities ;)

* DarkMageZ is learning c

<siccness> that wasn't too random

<Kamping_Kaiser> 500mhz and over will run dapper, so thats my 'useful desktop' line.

<Kamping_Kaiser> debian runs on anythign with electricty (almost)

<DarkMageZ> lol

<siccness> lol

<DarkMageZ> didn't someone put bsd on a toaster/

<siccness> Haha

<MistaED> why does dapper need more guts? all those python dependencies?

<siccness> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=25321

<Kamping_Kaiser> MistaED, and the desktop shinyness

<DarkMageZ> mmhmm, the desktop shinyness. there will be even more shiny in fiesty

* Kamping_Kaiser meh

<MistaED> Kamping_Kaiser: surely debian has all that too right? gnome and all

<DarkMageZ> not installed by default

<MistaED> just a window manager isn't a desktop

<DarkMageZ> anyone know where i can buy a toaster with debian pre-installed?

<DarkMageZ> or netbsd

<Kamping_Kaiser> MistaED, you can install a gui or not with di

<purserj> hmm footrot flats dvd is out

* MistaED wonders if gconf could have a binary backend like the windows registry :P sure xml is human readable but binary is faster right? *gets flamed*

<Kamping_Kaiser> MistaED, perhaps like python .py files and .pyc

<purserj> gconf is already too close to Registry Hell

<MistaED> i've just noticed gnome tends to get slower and slower all the time, especially when going from gdm to the desktop

<MistaED> the only thing that really changes is the .xml changes in my home directory, and surely enough when they're cleared out or if i create another user account and compare it's fast again

<nrdb> what command do I use to get a hex dump of a file ?

* siccness yawns

<siccness> nrdb: yes, hexdump

<siccness> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_hexdump.htm

<siccness> also related: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_xxd.htm

<hysterio> hi everybody!

<siccness> hey hysterio

<siccness> whats happening?

<hysterio> work :(

<hysterio> yourself?

<siccness> Just playing with cpio

<merlin-linux> does anyone here use port knocking to open up port like port 22

<onefang> I connect to one of my clients through that method.

<merlin-linux> how well does it work?

<merlin-linux> and what the best way to set it up

<onefang> It's just security through obscurity, I don't think much of it, and neither did the cracker that got through it.

<Tatey> ssh keys are already pretty good

<Kamping_Kaiser> obscurity isnt a bad addition to security, its only bad if tis the only form of security

<Tatey> valid point Kamping_Kaiser

<onefang> And move the ssh port to something random. Not a security measure, since it is still security through obscurity, but it helps prevent your logs filling up with dictionary attacks. B-)

<Kamping_Kaiser> onefang, *grin* been there done that ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> mind you, cron is the largest spammer of my auth.log

<onefang> I suddenly discovered one day that I had a 36GB log file.

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol, what the heck do you log :S

<merlin-linux> i have an external firewall so i can set that to a random port that is forwarded to port 22

<onefang> It's a file server with big disks, so I didn't even notice that the space was missing.

<onefang> The log rotate mechanism had failed for some reason, so the log file just kept growing.

<Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*

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* Phlosten sits down and eats an ice-cream

<cdonges> whaddup?

<cafuego_> ceiling

<cdonges> sky?

<Phlosten> hmm

<Phlosten> howdy merlin-linux

<merlin-linux> hiya Phlosten

<fildo> has anyone here played with direct admin

<fildo> ?

<Phlosten> fildo, cant say that I have

<Tatey> fella's

* kgoetz is defeated by video cards :(

<rendhalver> kgoetz: which one?

<kgoetz> rendhalver: a couple of Sun branded ATI PCI cards, and a matrox AGP card

<kgoetz> although the suns were PCI they didnt work in my PC, so must be sparc only :(

<kgoetz> and the AGP card is 2x not 4/8 which my desktop supports :\

<kgoetz> wb

<rendhalver> kgoetz: crap

<kgoetz> rendhalver: yeh, i was kinda excited at the thought i might get one of those combinatinos working

<rendhalver> kgoetz: know anyone who has a sun box somwhere to test it?

<kgoetz> rendhalver: yeh, i have 8 here. but i was hoping for hte cards in my desktop

<rendhalver> kgoetz: wow thats a lot.

* kgoetz debates an sideways upgrade from an MS mouse with scrollwheel to a Sun mouse with 3 buttons only

<kgoetz> rendhalver: i got 4 of them yesterday

<rendhalver> mmmm sun mice

<rendhalver> kgoetz: where from?

<kgoetz> rendhalver: itshare. we cant give them to recipients, so they end up with me (often)

<kgoetz> i said i'd build one up for the hardware bloke though, so at least one is only here in passing

<rendhalver> kgoetz: nifty

<kgoetz> double plus good :)

<rendhalver> one of those would make a spiffy web server

<kgoetz> *wink wink*

<kgoetz> actually, i plan to use my alphja as a webserver, unless i can find a better vid. card for it

<rendhalver> my business server needs replacing (its a old p3 700Mhz i think)

<kgoetz> 700's perfectly good for a dedsktop still

* kgoetz blows away all. gnome or .gconf settings

<rendhalver> yeah it does ok at the moment but if i get any more web hosting clients its gonna need an upgrade

<kgoetz> mmm. i can imagine

<kgoetz> ah, and here i am

<siccness> the great man has returned!

<siccness> (that great man being me of course)

<rendhalver> kgoetz: so you can now ligitemately talk to yourself?

<Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver, i gues so

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, :)

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if its worth mounting his swap partition in or if it will just increase boot times

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kamping_Kaiser

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: +t

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: -o Kamping_Kaiser

<merlin-linux> haha this is going to be fun

<Kamping_Kaiser> rythmbox crashed. X. not a bad effort

<merlin-linux> i am going to quit smoking, going cold turkey

<Tatey> Kamping_Kaiser: check out Quod Libet :) It's VERY much like Rhythmbox, without the suck ;)

<Tatey> merlin-linux: nice move

<halex-ab> merlin-linux, you shouldn't have been smoking in the first place.. :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> without the suck... sounds good

<halex-ab> But it's good to see you're doing something about it..

<Tatey> Kamping_Kaiser: it's python based, completely GTK2. No GNOME deps either. It's based on the GStreamer framework

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, good luck!

<merlin-linux> after over 10 years of smoking i think it time to throw the habbit as far as i can behind me

<Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, that sounds awsome. wonder if its packaged

<Tatey> Kamping_Kaiser: sure is

<Kamping_Kaiser> it is :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, does it support tag editing?

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: yes it does

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: read here >>> http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet

<Tatey> Kamping_Kaiser: sure does

<Tatey> best tag supporting I've seen yet

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: you can also drag and drop album covers to your desktop

<Kamping_Kaiser> yay. tag editing. i'll have to install it then

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<DarkMageZ> rhythmbox supports tag editing...

<Kamping_Kaiser> DarkMageZ, i havent worked it out

<DarkMageZ> add the song to library and right click on it and hit properties and type away. if it won't let you type then either your rhythmbox isn't built with tag editing or your gstreamer sucks

<Kamping_Kaiser> well it wont let me

<Kamping_Kaiser> so one of the above is probably it

<DarkMageZ> Kamping_Kaiser, dapper or edgy?

<Kamping_Kaiser> DarkMageZ, dapper

<DarkMageZ> yup, stock rhythmbox?

<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.

<DarkMageZ> that's your problem :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :|

<Kamping_Kaiser> so i have to install stuff to make rhythmbox useful?

<DarkMageZ> nope, you need a newer version of rhythmbox with tag editing enabled

<Kamping_Kaiser> oh right.

<DarkMageZ> you can find one @ http://mirror.randumb.org/darkmagez/repo/

* Kamping_Kaiser shrugs. if i have to install stuff, i may as well install something to broaden my horizons :)

<DarkMageZ> is it still illegal to kill telstra employee's and their management?

<onefang> Employees - illegal, management - open season.

<DarkMageZ> oh good, i can live with only killing the management

<DarkMageZ> what would happen if next time one of their telemarketers called my mobile and i threatened to go down to telstra HQ and gun down as many of them as i can if they called me again?

<merlin-linux> you'd prob have the star force waiting for you when you get home

<merlin-linux> or raiding your place at 2am in the morning

<DarkMageZ> so they wouldn't stop calling me?

<merlin-linux> no

<DarkMageZ> hmm, maybe i should go class-action lawsuit on their asses

<onefang> You need a mobile phone firing cannon.

<merlin-linux> i have caller id and not answer calls that come up private

<merlin-linux> and if it someone i know they can leave a msg and i will ring them back

<Tatey> DarkMageZ: nothing. Your best bet is to request them to remove your phone number from their database. If they do not comply, threaten to speak to their manager. ALWAYS WORKS

<elkbuntu> yeah, please dont kill my brother. he's just using telstra as the means to an end.

<onefang> lol

* hysterio looks suspiciously at elkbuntu

<elkbuntu> he's a trainee cabler

<hysterio> right, thats what they all say

<DarkMageZ> then he won't be sitting in telstra HQ, he'll be out working :P

<elkbuntu> DarkMageZ, that depends

<elkbuntu> DarkMageZ, they cannot do a job if they havent been assigned one. the people above him often re-assign already done jobs for days on end

<hysterio> it always starts with cabling. Then you install some onramp2s, then BAM they've got you

<hysterio> elkbuntu: is he a perm employee or contractor?

<siccness> elkbuntu: who's your brother?

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, hes a bloke

<siccness> Good detective work, Kamping_Kaiser. I'm proud :D

<siccness> I got some japanese beer in the fridge Kamping_Kaiser, got your coopers in the esky?

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, not an eski as such... a tub with ice+beer though. (where the damn eskis actually gone i have no idea)

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, its detective work like that which means i have time to hang around heaer ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> *here

<siccness> esky == tub with ice / beer :D

<Kamping_Kaiser> :D

<siccness> Gotta love all of our inventions

<Kamping_Kaiser> i'll bbs. gotta send an email

<siccness> They're all actually useful.

* Kamping_Kaiser needs more ice... but i also need to stop drinking, so *shrug*s all around

<siccness> That's crazy talk

<Kamping_Kaiser> i'm a crazy bloke :D

* Kamping_Kaiser double checks the boke bit.... yep. its true

<siccness> heheh

<realist> kgoetz: want to liberate any more of those Suns?

<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, i have (afaik) every Sun itshare has, i dont think there is mroe (yet). why do you ask?

<Kamping_Kaiser> well.. i suppose now would be the moment to have a play with them. aftera ll. i cant do any mroe tafe tonight

<siccness> <--has 3 chapters left to review :)

<realist> Kamping_Kaiser: I wouldn't mind one, or more, of them.

<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, oh i see. your not in sa are you?

<realist> nope

* Kamping_Kaiser tries to imagine himself posting a Sun around... and has trouble

<siccness> Would cost a bit :)

<realist> my boss is in adelaide tomorrow, if you want to drop one off to him :-)

<Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*

<Kamping_Kaiser> fraid i dont see that happening eitehr

<onefang> Maybe do you a favour and drop it on him. B-)

<realist> onefang ;-)

<Kamping_Kaiser> ;)

* Kamping_Kaiser brb

<elkbuntu> hysterio, he's not even technically employed by telstra. he's employed by a training organisation who is paid by telstra to provide trainees

<Kamping_Kaiser> hey elkbuntu

<elkbuntu> hi

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<siccness> big sicc works too hard

<Phlosten> poor big sicc

<siccness> Yup

<Phlosten> what exactly are you working too hard on?

<siccness> The revision of Linux

<siccness> (exam tomorrow0

<Phlosten> what is the course you are doing again?

<siccness> Log File Administration, Backup/Restore Utilities, Software Installation, Kernel Compilation, Configuration of a NIC

<siccness> Sounds easy, sure. But it's not easy when yuo have to remember bullshit flags for the rpm utility

<siccness> when in reality, it'd be as simple as: rpm --help

<Tatey> fella's

<Phlosten> howdy Tatey

<DarkMageZ> hello

<siccness> Tatey, DarkMageZ, Phlosten - hello.

<Tatey> what's happening?

<Tatey> hi siccness

<Tatey> I think you should see a doctor

<Tatey> :P

<siccness> Yeah, been sicc for quite some time eh? :)

<Tatey> hah

<Kamping_Kaiser> rofl @ gns bug 51.

<Tatey> linux exam tomorrow, eh?

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: echo it ;)

<siccness> Tatey: Sure is.

<Phlosten> Kamping_Kaiser, hehe, yeah. saw that the other day

<Kamping_Kaiser> http://bugs.gnewsense.org/Bugs/00051

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<Phlosten> brb, gonna try this gnewsense cd again

<siccness> Hahahahah

<siccness> I love the resolution comment, classic.

<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :)

<Tatey> http://nswhwp.tripod.com/JHPics/jh08.jpg

<siccness> See the commodore next to it?

<siccness> Commodore > *

<Tatey> all cop cars are falcodores

<siccness> Not true

<siccness> There's a couple of Holden Monaro police vehicles around (although they essentially are commodores)

<Tatey> yea, exactly :P

<siccness> I had a cop right behind me today

<siccness> I was a little worried actually, car==not rwc

<siccness> steel is just about rippin through the tyre they're that bald

<Tatey> hah, in QLD as long as your car is registered you don't need the RWC

<siccness> no rooflining (light hanging down)

<Kamping_Kaiser> "shes got a ticket to ride, but she dont care"

<siccness> "get out quick, because seein is believing!"

<DarkMageZ> ajmitch, i just heard the great news! how does it feel?

<Tatey> what news?

<DarkMageZ> http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7523/127/

<ajmitch> yawn

<DarkMageZ> what? it's great news :S

<ajmitch> we'll see if it improves anything

<DarkMageZ> oh we will :)

<DarkMageZ> i'm going to keep a sharp eye on it

<hysterio> ajmitch: couldnt be worse than whats going on here

<ajmitch> I don't know, NZ is pretty stiff competition in that area

<DarkMageZ> it'll be good to see how it works out in NZ

* ajmitch goes to break X again

<siccness> Haha

<merlin-linux> ah blast

<siccness> Hey merlin-linux

<merlin-linux> heya siccness

* merlin-linux has to learn how to drink beer without having a ciggie to

<merlin-linux> silly me cracked a beer and now feel like ciggie

<merlin-linux> lol

<hysterio> its a tough habit to break

* Phlosten has beer

<hysterio> i havent smoked for ages, yet every time i have a beer i feel like one

<Phlosten> luckily enough I never got onto cancer sticks

<cafuego_> Yesm but imagine what you could spend that extra $3500 per year on..

<Kamping_Kaiser> 3500??

<cafuego_> pack a $10/day

* Kamping_Kaiser :o

* cafuego_ spent the savings from his first quittings on a new bicycle

<merlin-linux> hehe nah i going to buy a bar fridge

<realist> I spent it on more expensive alcohol

<cafuego_> that's what I did with the second quittings

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<realist> I spent that on expensive cigars ;-)

<realist> oops!

* cafuego_ hopes to not need a 3rd quittings

<cafuego_> but you never know

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if people who havent done the cancer stick are in the minority here o-)

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: yes

<realist> Well, I didn't quit, until smokers became the minority

<merlin-linux> i quitting cause i have had enough

<Kamping_Kaiser> right, thats enough tidying for one birst

* Kamping_Kaiser opens another stubbie

* merlin-linux knocks stubbies together with Kamping_Kaiser

<merlin-linux> and says cheer

<merlin-linux> s

<Kamping_Kaiser> cheers!

<siccness> uh oh

<siccness> <--screwed

<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, ylou drink vb ;)

<merlin-linux> lol

<siccness> I sent my access database file to my teacher, and well, uhm, all of my queries had swear words in them

<siccness> i forgot to change them :|

<Tatey> hah, you nub

<Phlosten> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, LOL

<realist> heh

<realist> You should've seen this assignment I handed in once

<siccness> queryF-----, rptDumbassStudentCard :)

* merlin-linux see Kamping_Kaiser n siccness and me arguing over vb and coopers when old men on our back porches

<siccness> merlin-linux: hahaha

<merlin-linux> hehe

<Phlosten> who knows, you may get extra marks for putting a smile on his/her face

<siccness> Phlosten: yea she doesnt mind me so ill be ok

<Tatey> http://www.tulpy.com/wii/P1010013%20(Medium).JPG

<merlin-linux> w00t siccness got a foot in the door

<siccness> hah!

<siccness> shes 60yrs old

<siccness> even im not that weird

<merlin-linux> lol

<merlin-linux> sorry lmao

<struth> Can I crash in and ask some questions about suse & ubuntu?

<siccness> heheh :)

<siccness> of course struth

<merlin-linux> struth: ok

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, :O

<siccness> Here's the answer for you

<siccness> suse sucks

<siccness> :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> ^^^

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<struth> I've had suse for about a month and then came to the big U

<merlin-linux> struth: ubuntu rocks

<realist> siccness: any linux distro has to be better than windows though, right?

<struth> suse was pissing me orf

<siccness> Haha, i like that "the big U"

<Kamping_Kaiser> realist, any but suse

<siccness> realist: well thats actually questionable :)

<realist> then again... doesn't Ballmer think MSFT own SuSe now?

<siccness> realist: haha, yes ;)

<realist> I've always been weary of SuSe anyway...

<merlin-linux> struth: what the problem i never used suse

<siccness> struth: Heh, yeah, you were one of the luckier ones who were able to run SuSE. Half of us can't even boot into it

<siccness> well, luckier, or unluckier ones, your call.

<realist> Well, weary of any pty owned distro

<struth> I've triple booted atm & am trying to get access to files on suse partition

* merlin-linux thanks god he never had to

<siccness> struth: are you familiar with the mount command?

<Kamping_Kaiser> its reiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> theres a gui way if you like that sorta thing

<merlin-linux> sshfs with mount them

<struth> gui suits me better atm

<siccness> well i cant help then :P

<struth> I have used mount but did not know what I was doing

<struth> at the time

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, system -> administration -> discs

<merlin-linux> struth: to share drives you need things like nfs, samba, or sshfs

<realist> Anyone remember Corel's distro?

<siccness> realist: I do.

<Kamping_Kaiser> i remember tehy had one, dont rmeember using it

<siccness> realist: what about Progeny Linux? :)

<struth> I've got EFT & I have no system -> administration -> discs

<Kamping_Kaiser> *sp

<Kamping_Kaiser> wtf?

<realist> siccness: vaguely...

<Kamping_Kaiser> whats with edgy?

<struth> system -> administration -> device manager

<siccness> struth: you using GNOME?

* Kamping_Kaiser goes 'right, so theres this command called mount'

<struth> yep Gnome

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<siccness> Hahaha Kamping_Kaiser

<merlin-linux> struth: can you right click on the dir that you want to share

<merlin-linux> and see if it got a menu there to share it under suse

<struth> maybe I should start back a few steps......this is relativley clean new eft install

<struth> which file manager should I install for a start

<merlin-linux> struth: what distro you trying to share dirs under

<struth> Nautilus 2.16.1 seems fairly crap

<Tatey> http://www.toptechnews.com/news/The-French-Say-Au-Revoir-to-Microsoft/story.xhtml?story_id=130007NARIVO

<struth> I'm in eft and I would like to be able to see the suse files

<merlin-linux> oh

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders how weird edgy is

<merlin-linux> struth: install sshd on the suse box

<struth> nah nah nah its all on the one box.....triboot

<Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, i thought tehy were already on manrape

<merlin-linux> oh

<Kamping_Kaiser> if not, i suspect thats whwat they will move to

<siccness> struth: do you know what hard-drive and partition the data is stored on?

<merlin-linux> struth: i have not dual or triple booted in long time

<struth> yep eft is on hdb and suse is on hda

<siccness> ok

<siccness> what partition number, do you know?

<merlin-linux> struth: but it just be a matter of mounting the partition you need to access

<siccness> if not, we can just mount them all

<struth> can I paste some text or will it flood kick me?

<realist> siccness: what the hell is this progeny bollocks?

<siccness> realist: iirc it was debian based

<realist> Their website is a hilarious read

* struth tries

<struth> Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40016019456 bytes

<struth> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders

<struth> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

<struth> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System

<struth> /dev/hda1 * 1 1437 11534670 7 HPFS/NTFS

<struth> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.

<merlin-linux> struth: paste it to here and give us the link >>> http://pastebin.ca/

<struth> /dev/hda2 1437 4600 25414798+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)

<struth> /dev/hda3 4601 4865 2128612+ 1c Hidden W95 FAT32 (LBA)

<struth> /dev/hda5 1846 1942 779152+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris

<struth> /dev/hda6 1943 3014 8610808+ 83 Linux

<struth> /dev/hda7 3015 4600 12739513+ 83 Linux

<struth> Disk /dev/hdb: 6448 MB, 6448619520 bytes

<struth> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 784 cylinders

<siccness> my lord, that's nuts.

<struth> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

<struth> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System

<struth> /dev/hdb1 * 1 747 6000246 83 Linux

<struth> /dev/hdb2 748 784 297202+ 5 Extended

<struth> /dev/hdb5 748 784 297171 82 Linux swap / Solaris

<struth> sorry I read that to late

<siccness> hehe, all good.

<siccness> so hda is suse

<siccness> and windows

<Kamping_Kaiser> fucksake

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, *do Not* flood this channel

<merlin-linux> struth: paste it to here and give us the link >>> http://pastebin.ca/

<siccness> calm down big fella :)

<struth> yep....just in case I need to go back to hell

<struth> sorry for the flood

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, i am calm... but i am still holding a gun ;)

<realist> ouch, my eyes are bleeding!

<merlin-linux> lol

<merlin-linux> w0w most active this channel been in long time

<siccness> struth: ok, open up terminal, type: cd ~ (hit enter), then type: mkdir susedata (hit enter), then type: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda7 ~/susedata

<struth> I figured would be best to talk wif other Aussies

<Kamping_Kaiser> when opening a new term it defaults to ~

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, i figured but just to make sure

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, that wont work

<siccness> why not?

<Kamping_Kaiser> suse is on reiserfs

<siccness> bah ffs

<Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: how you mount a raiserfs then

<siccness> by using reiserfs :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, instead of saying 'ext3' you say 'reiserfs'

<merlin-linux> ffs

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<siccness> struth: ok, open up terminal, type: cd ~ (hit enter), then type: mkdir susedata (hit enter), then type: sudo mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda7 ~/susedata (hit enter)

* Kamping_Kaiser iz t3h l33t hax0rzz?!?!?!1 (lol)

<realist> or you could just let mount figure that out

<siccness> realist: weak

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<realist> i.e. you don't need -t most of the time

<merlin-linux> lol

<siccness> that's an american way of thinking

* realist shrugs

<siccness> :P

<merlin-linux> siccness: what that realist weak

<siccness> we as geeks should use as many flags/param/arguments as possible

<realist> I only ever use -t as a wrapper for smbmount

<struth> ok.... NOW hOW CAN i VIEW IT?

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, now now, no shouting

<struth> ooops sorry CAPS lock

<siccness> struth: type: cd susedata

<merlin-linux> struth: nautilus

<siccness> and type "ls -al"

<Kamping_Kaiser> (both way work)

<siccness> or just use nautilus

<realist> struth: by browsing /home/`whoami`/susedata

<realist> gotta love three independant answers :-)

<siccness> although some people might have a bitch at me for not mounting his drive under /mnt or whatever ubuntu uses :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, it uses /media

<Kamping_Kaiser> if you tell people to mount in there i'll slap you

<realist> siccness: /mnt /media, where ever

<Kamping_Kaiser> /mnt is the one true way!

<siccness> haha

<siccness> ../media is stupid

<siccness> :|

<Kamping_Kaiser> :|

<struth> hey I can see shit.......YAY!

<siccness> lol

<siccness> man you get excited over small things :P

<realist> siccness: it's for the noobunteros

* struth runs orf to mount sumtin else :)

<siccness> realist: heh :)

<realist> struth: as long as it's not my missus, or my pets, go for your life!

<siccness> struth: type: man mount (hit enter)

<siccness> read it, learn it, live it. ;)

* realist laughs at "(hit enter)"

<siccness> (press q to exit man page)

<realist> reminds me of... helldesk

<siccness> realist: heh

<struth> how could you tell it needed reiserfs and not ext3?

<realist> struth: suse default fs

<siccness> struth: Apparently SuSE use reiserfs rather than ext3

<realist> struth: mount is pretty good at figuring out what fs you're trying to mount...

<struth> It did not figure the first one though....gave me an error

<siccness> that was my fault

<struth> the ext3 one that is

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, siccness wasnt showing you how to let it work it out. so you got an error

<siccness> struth: i specified ext3 with the -t option

<purana> a fresh install of xubuntu has seen me have some issues

<Phlosten> haha, that progeny site got spammed

<purana> have to unset LANG and LANGUAGE environment variables

<Phlosten> experts they are

<purana> as they cause problems when using apt-get update from terminal

<struth> ok.....I think I get it. If I had not put the -t (defining the type as ext3) then it may have figy=ured it out?

<Kamping_Kaiser> purana, they all have the main lang unset

<siccness> correct, struth

<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten, whats that?

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: old linux distro

<Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok

<purana> let me dig up my forum post, found someone with same issue.. so added to the post to say my fresh install had same issue

<struth> Can I copy the xorg.conf that has good resolution from my suse data and use it in Big U?

<siccness> i wouldnt

<purana> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1708957

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, you could, but dont. we can help you fix your ubuntu setup

<Phlosten> struth, try it, but backup the old one

* struth winces

<Phlosten> struth, but know how to fix it first

<Kamping_Kaiser> purana, hm. i remember having that when edgy was still 3 months beta. i didnt get around to a fix - i stopped using it around then

<purana> my mate has same install no issue

<Kamping_Kaiser> hm. Revolution - The Beatles

* struth thinks he might compare the two conf files

<purana> I have to unset the variables otherwise I keep getting issues

<purana> something is missing elsewhere on the install

<purana> has to be

<siccness> struth: it's not a difficult task to change screen resolution in the xorg.conf file

<struth> 4 u maybe ;)

<purana> I'll leave them unset

<purana> its a valid workaround for now

<siccness> just go to terminal, type: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup

<purana> trying to get my vmware machines back up

<siccness> (that makes a copy of the xorg.conf file)

<purana> so restoring them

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, i fyou run the correct configuration tool it will backup your configs for you before it changes them

<struth> ....and the correct one is.....?????

<purana> i better goto bed

<purana> catch ya

<Kamping_Kaiser> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

<Kamping_Kaiser> later mate

<struth> Big U has no SaX2

<Kamping_Kaiser> (in a terminal)

<Kamping_Kaiser> no, X configuration is a pending spec

* Kamping_Kaiser hugs dpkg[-reconfigure]

* siccness huts vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf

<siccness> *hugs

* Kamping_Kaiser slaps siccness aobut a bit with vim 6.4

* struth heads orf to google the ibm to find the video driver

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: haha

<Phlosten> woot, DSL 3.1 is out

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, run `lspci |grep VGA`

<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten, any major advances (i need a reason to d/l 50mb)

* Phlosten looks

<struth> how do I get out of dpkg once I'm in?

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, it will let you at out at the end

<struth> ESC just seems to go further

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, in gnome?

<Kamping_Kaiser> ctrl+shift+n will open a new gnome-temrinal.

<struth> got it thanx > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)

<Kamping_Kaiser> and fwiw, dpkg is usually good at picking the correct details as well.

<Kamping_Kaiser> the only bit you should /need/ to be carefull about is the resolutions

<struth> xserver driver picks vesa

<Kamping_Kaiser> then there might not be a special driver for the card. if there is select it though

<Phlosten> there is an alternate intel driver that isnt installed by default

<struth> I would have thought I810 or sumthin.....no?

<struth> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1747838&postcount=3

<Phlosten> yeah, i810 supports i845 series

<merlin-linux> struth: you might need to install 915resolution

<struth> Is there a way to test these changes I've made before all is stuffed?

<siccness> blackhawk down

<siccness> 1 dead, 1 missing, 7 injured

<siccness> MatthewV: Hello

<MatthewV> siccness, hi there...

<MatthewV> always quick on the uptake you are :) do you live on irc?

<siccness> Essentially, yes.

<struth> how do I get the persons nick to appear at the start of my text?

<siccness> Sad, I know.

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, type their name?

<MatthewV> struth, type it in :)

<siccness> struth: type the first couple of characters of the persons nickname and press [tab]

<Kamping_Kaiser> or st<tab> to tab complete

<purserj> siccness: yeah, went over the side of the ship

<siccness> purserj: yup :|

<siccness> Another waste of talented australians :(

<purserj> And to top it off, the Fiji military is making plans to take on any foreign (read Australian troops) who try and intervene in the coming coup

<struth> Bloody amazing oyu blokes

<struth> you

<siccness> This is what annoys me..

<siccness> "Blackhawk helicopters have already been ordered to replace the crashed one"

<struth> a wealth of knowledge..... I really must take this time to thank you all for your time and effort.

<siccness> why? surely they can focus on dealing with the families and shit

<purserj> siccness: why? Have you seen what they've done to Kovko's family?

<Kamping_Kaiser> struth, a slab will do ;)

<siccness> purserj: don't get me started on that shit

<siccness> PATHETIC.

<struth> I have a couple on the verandah........oh no...thats right I drank em :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :P

<struth> It says on "the net" CTRL-ALT-Backspace to restart X.....but what if it's stuffed.... can I just copy the old xorg.conf back in?

<siccness> yes

<merlin-linux> yes

<siccness> well i think ive had 1 too many :|

<struth> Allrighty then...I'm orf to break it. be back soon.

<merlin-linux> siccness: 1 vb is one to many

<siccness> big sicc is on the bourbon actually :)

<merlin-linux> siccness: you not on the cheap shit

<frederick85> siccness u don't smoke dope i hope

<siccness> merlin-linux: woodstock 440ml baby :)

<siccness> frederick85: no.

<merlin-linux> siccness: that the cheap shit

<siccness> yup

<frederick85> i used to like two things

<frederick85> dope and dexies

<merlin-linux> ffs

<frederick85> i was a bit slow when I somked dope though

<siccness> i dunno if this channels the right place to discuss the use of illegal drugs :|

<elkbuntu> yes. please take drug talk elsewhere. #off-topic for example

<spence> YAY!!!!!!!

* Kamping_Kaiser recomends PM

* pschulz01 can be a bit of a dope at times.

<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, to himself?

<elkbuntu> hi spence

<merlin-linux> well spence is happy

<frederick85> linux is my drug

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i talk to myself :\

<spence> 1280x1024 YAY!

<Kamping_Kaiser> frederick85, not long until thats illigal too

<elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, through an electronic device?

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: i have good convos with myself

* Hobbsee waves

<elkbuntu> hi Hobbsee!

* merlin-linux wave to Hobbsee

<Hobbsee> hey elky!

<Hobbsee> hey merlin-linux

<frederick85> in Australia things being illegal rarely stops people from doing them

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, anyway

<Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee

<spence> lol...so true

<spence> sat tv

<Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> your active!

<merlin-linux> can we please put a stop to the illegal talk frederick85

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, i think hes ok with that. its true

<merlin-linux> this channel is logged as far as i know

<siccness> It is logged, yes.

<merlin-linux> eg by LoCoBot

<siccness> I really should halt some of my comments :)

<merlin-linux> siccness: you are kewl it just the illegal stuf

<siccness> I know I'm cool, i'm from the big V :)

<merlin-linux> that makes the channel look really bad

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, i dont think now is a good time for you to start moralising

<elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info/ubuntuhighway.jpg

<merlin-linux> kewl elkbuntu

<merlin-linux> looks great

<Kamping_Kaiser> nice one elky

<elkbuntu> merlin-linux, yeah. i got enough for a couple around town, and a few for LCA

<elkbuntu> speaking of LCA, does anyone have access to a badge-making press and supplies?

<siccness> How does this shit make news: "Women talk more than men, 3 times more in fact"

<Kamping_Kaiser> i thought news was stuff people didnt know?

<elkbuntu> siccness, men forget facts and have to be reminded of them. it's a fact.

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i forgot that :P

<spence> woman probably told him to write the article

<siccness> Hardy har.

<elkbuntu> ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<siccness> women and humour, when will it ever work :P

* siccness runs

<elkbuntu> i believe it just did

<Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, sorry, i dont have direct access to printing gear.

<siccness> ooo, elkbuntu vs big man tuff man sicc again

<elkbuntu> lol

* Kamping_Kaiser backs elkbuntu

* siccness backs big sicc

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if he can get a gns tshirt printed by LCA

<Kamping_Kaiser> not long to go though :/

<siccness> talking to a mate's girlfriend is by far the most painful thing ever

<realist> depends on their hotness rating

<siccness> 0

<siccness> but that's besides the point

<siccness> she asks a question, i answer it, and the response is "uhh, why?" or "why not?"

<Kamping_Kaiser> heh

<spence> does any1 here feel the need to run a desktop type firewall like guarddog or firestarter....or are u just happy wif iptables?

<realist> perhaps you should stop answering questions

<siccness> no because then it's: "hello?!??!?!?!"

<siccness> or "r u here?!?!?"

<realist> that'd be enough to make me switch off

<Kamping_Kaiser> spence, i dont need a firewall

<realist> a fool who speaks, removes all doub... yada yada

<spence> Kamping_Kaiser: "don't need"....p[lease explain?

<Kamping_Kaiser> spence, a stock ubuntu install has no listening ports, so firewalling is exessive

<Kamping_Kaiser> that said, i have *a* port open for SSH.

<spence> so the ports are not open, but not stealthed either then huh?

<Kamping_Kaiser> correct.

<merlin-linux> damn had to turn the a/c off cause it getting to cold

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

* Kamping_Kaiser still has window+door open for airflow

<spence> wot part of the wide brown land? Vic, Melbourne here.

<Kamping_Kaiser> eh, siccness has company

<siccness> where in melbourne?

* Kamping_Kaiser is in the adelaide hills

<spence> Glen Waverley

<spence> back in a tik

<siccness> <--knoxfield

<siccness> glen waverly is ok

* merlin-linux down close to the sea down south

<merlin-linux> adelaide

<merlin-linux> but it still 30C outside

<siccness> 10C in the "ghetto hood word mang g"

<merlin-linux> but 20C inside my place

<merlin-linux> and there i a high speed chase going past my place on the victor road

<merlin-linux> on the to victor road

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: you know the road you use it to get to andrews place

<Kamping_Kaiser> yep

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<spence> I hear we are getting SA's weather soon

<merlin-linux> i lucky i can hear the high speed chase on that road and main south

<Kamping_Kaiser> spence, keep it

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: lol

<merlin-linux> spence: my bank of pc hate this hot weather

<merlin-linux> pc's

<merlin-linux> and the laptop more so

<spence> fair enuf

* Kamping_Kaiser will get a rack soon

<Kamping_Kaiser> free up some desk space :D

<spence> to much money thats your problem...to many pc's

<Kamping_Kaiser> to much money?

<Kamping_Kaiser> i have $600 to my name :|

<spence> Going in to the IR rally at the MCG in da morning...better hit the sak. Thanks again for the help. I can see myself frequenting this place :P

<merlin-linux> spence: this my mess >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/IMG_0253a.JPG

<Kamping_Kaiser> snight spence

<Kamping_Kaiser> gl

<spence> AH-HA....I see a pale ale stubby.....or do u call them "echo"s still :)

<siccness> pale ale, we usually throw them at Kamping_Kaiser

<siccness> let's face it, it's just water..and south australians need clean water

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<justMatt> we sure do

<merlin-linux> lol

<spence> thanx again fella's....nite all.

<merlin-linux> they long necks

<siccness> Night mate.

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: I like to call that my "double BURNED"

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, call it whatever you like ;)

<siccness> two burns/ownz in one sentence.

<siccness> now ive just lost 2 hrs of revision on pointless dribbling on irc :|

*** Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee

<merlin-linux> does ubuntu alternate support xfs or reiserfs as root partition?

<incon> use gpart before you install on the live cd

<incon> well thats that I did

<Tatey> merlin-linux: if you use the OEM/Alterante install

<Tatey> OR, from the LiveCD, open up a terminal and run cfdisk, create your partitions there then manually format them from console

<Tatey> # mkfs.xfs /dev/sdX

<Tatey> # mkreiserfs /dev/sdX

<Tatey> you should look at possible flags to use with mkfs.xfs to tune it and achieve better performance

<Tatey> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-488215-highlight-xfs+tune.html

<merlin-linux> kewl thx Tatey

<merlin-linux> it not for the info it for a friend

<shenki> hello ahll

<shenki> all even

<shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: you still there?

<purserj> gah anyone speak turkish?

*** hantoo is now known as hantu

<justMatt> Hey all

<purserj> whats the ubuntu community council channel?

<MatthewV> purserj, #ubuntu-meeting iirc

<purserj> ta

<frederick85> how is everyong

<frederick85> everyone

<frederick85> no more barrens chat :(

<hantu> ohay!

<hantu> i'm good mate, how's you?

<frederick85> I'm great

<frederick85> :D

<frederick85> i got a ps2 game today

<frederick85> final fantasy 7 sequel

<hantu> not much of a ff person.

<hantu> dont even have a ps2 :)

<hantu> speaking of games, i should get mario hoops 3on3 :P

<justMatt> Hey all

<frederick85> hantu, do u have one of those new nintendo things

<hantu> yeah got a dslite

<hantu> not the wii

<merlin-linux> damn i just been ssh'ing to the other side the world to fix a friends computer

<merlin-linux> and i just restarted his pc

<merlin-linux> but i fixed the prob that i had to

<hantu> woot.

<onefang> That's not the usual reaction when I join a channel. B-)

<klepas> crap?

<onefang> That's much more like it.

<frederick85> can you make a brand of coffee called linux

<hantu> i think there's one called java

<frederick85> java copied coffee though

<lucychili> elkbuntu, you about?

<klepas> hey lucychili

<lucychili> hi klepas

<lucychili> hows things

<klepas> sleepy

<klepas> and poluted

<klepas> well at least HK is :)

* klepas is 11,000 kms north

<lucychili> of course!

<lucychili> hi from deep south

<klepas> :)

<lucychili> hows it going

<lucychili> what are you seeing?

<klepas> sleepy mostly

<klepas> behind on $work

<klepas> and in Hong Kong :)

<lucychili> can relate

<purserj> klepas: you in hong kong at the moment?

<klepas> rotary youth exchange

<lucychili> trying new foods?

<lucychili> nice

<klepas> purserj: affirmative

<purserj> Where abouts?

<klepas> lucychili: eating foods i already like

* purserj used to live in hong kong

<lucychili> heh cool

<klepas> (which are the local ones anyway)

<lucychili> cool purana

<lucychili> purserj,

<klepas> purserj: ummm up on the hill

<klepas> :P

<purserj> yeah that helps

<purserj> So you're on the Island and not in Kowloon then

<klepas> i'm around 15 minutes by the puiblic light bus away from Causeway Bay

<klepas> yea, not in Kowloon

<lucychili> sounds nice

<klepas> it's pretty neat

<purserj> While you're there check out Fort Stanley

<klepas> but i need to attend college here too

<klepas> purserj: aye?

<purserj> Fort Stanley is the old British military barracks

<purserj> also try and make it out to the New Territories

<klepas> i'll try

<klepas> :)

<purserj> Also if you're on the hunt for cheap software see if Sham Shui Po is still operating

<purserj> was a massive "cheap" software market when I was there

<purserj> But enough of this reminising, I now to sleep

<klepas> cheap?

<klepas> as in i need to pay for it?

<klepas> wtf?

<klepas> foss ftw

<lucychili> =)

<purserj> have a look anyway, its worth the experience

<klepas> will do if it's on the interary

<klepas> intinery, even

* lucychili tries to get stuff done and decides the brain has gone to bed w out me

<lucychili> james does that flyer look ok?

<Phlosten> morning all

*** onefang_ is now known as onefang

<adhoc> mornen all =)

* adhoc scarpers to work

<justMatt> good morning all

<MotherLUG> Morning All

* purserj curses timezone differences

* bokey pokey mokey tokey =)

<cafuego_> purserj purserj Bo Burserj, Banana Fana Fo Furserj, Mi My Mo Murserj, purserj

* purserj slaps cafuego_ with a haddock

<cafuego_> Hmm

<cafuego_> the fish or the captain?

<purserj> the captain

<purserj> "Blistering Blue Barnacles!"

<cafuego_> ow! the pipe hit me in the eye!

* cafuego_ noticed a tintin dvd box set the other day

<purserj> Could have been worse, could have been the Thomson twins

<cafuego_> those are "Johnson & Johnsson" (more or less) in holland.

<purserj> I figured they would be called something different

* purserj wonders if there has been a live action Tintin movie

<cafuego_> nah, surely I'd know

<purserj> you seen the Asterix movies?

<cafuego_> only 2 - they tend to be a bit slow compared to how i interpret the books

* cafuego_ has read all the books though (except the latest)

<cafuego_> some in @^!*@%!$& french

<cafuego_> they were actually ALLOWED on the high school reading list :-)

<purserj> heh

<purserj> I had a little trouble getting used to Depardue as Obelix

<cafuego_> but you needed to offset them with Papillon or somesuch evil

<cafuego_> purserj: I've not seen the live action one, only cartoons

* cafuego_ has been near asterix-land though

<cafuego_> but spent too much time looking for/at menhirs

<purserj> there is an Asterix Land?

<cafuego_> yup, in brittany

<purserj> Thats scary and cool at the same time

<cafuego_> :-)

<cafuego_> Well, Disney's inferior characters get a whole world.

<cafuego_> Only fair Uderzo/Goscini's characters get at LEAST a land.

<cafuego_> Though Hergé got ripped off with the Tintin Shed

<cafuego_> boom tish

<purserj> groan

<purserj> For everyones interest: http://www.localfoss.org/Kurdish_Language_Ubuntu_Under_Investigation

<siccness> I wonder if the W.A people have patched themselves up for the WA DST

<purserj> well I haven't seen a patch come through for edgy

<purserj> there is one for gentoo I believe

<siccness> yes, gentoo got an update

<siccness> rc got an update (assuming fedora too)

<siccness> *fc

<siccness> wait

<siccness> wtf

<siccness> RH got an update (assuming fedora too)

<hot_wheelz> hi all

<hot_wheelz> anyone know where I can find the new Ubuntu Multimedia Center distro?

<purserj> didn't know there was one

<hot_wheelz> purserj check this out http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-multimedia-center-a-new-ubuntu-based-linux-distribution.html

<hot_wheelz> d\l link dead though

<hot_wheelz> that's why I am trying to find another one

<siccness> purserj: yeah it's a joke

<purserj> I thought so from the XP'ish screenshots

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