<cellofellow> maxamillion: xdmcp login from Win98 computer in action: http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xdmcpsc1.jpg

<cloakable> cellofellow: What software?

<cellofellow> for the X server?

<cloakable> For the xdmcp in general :P

<cellofellow> Xming. It's a GPL'd X server for windows. Based on XFree86 and Cygwin.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: nice ... that's an oooolld xubuntu install isn't it?

<cellofellow> maxamillion: huh?

<cellofellow> cloakable: GDM "servs

<maxamillion> cellofellow: nvm, it looked like xfce4.2 at first, but i noticed its just a different icon theme

<maxamillion> cellofellow: wait ... no, its not ... its just layed out like 4.2 ... nvm

<maxamillion> don't listen to me

<maxamillion> i'm outta here

<cellofellow> cloakable: GDM "serves" the XDMCP session, and XMing is the X server that runs on the Client machine.

<cloakable> Cool

<cellofellow> If you have a Linux client, GDM can connect to other Display Managers with XDMCP.

<cloakable> What about XDM?

<cellofellow> I think that will work too. Never used it. Is there a menu at the login screen? If there is, just use a Remote or XDMCP connect.

<cloakable> I've never used it, but I will for my laptop - I want to conserve maximum RAM. True, 320MB is plenty, but still :P

<cellofellow> well, best of luck. I really like using laptops to connect to my desktop with XDMCP. It's so cool.

<cloakable> Yeah :) Does the desktop do all the work? I could use Kubuntu on my laptop then :D

<cellofellow> The desktop does do all the work. All the lappy does is graphics and network.

<cloakable> Cool. What about system monitors?

<cellofellow> (Don't use any accelerated stuff with XDMCP.)

<cellofellow> System Monitors?

* cellofellow doesn't know exactly what cloakable meens.

<cloakable> I have a superkaramba system monitor - cpu, network, memory etc.

<cloakable> That'll monitor the desktop?

<cellofellow> Yes.

<cellofellow> You'll need to get creative to work out a battery monitor.

<cloakable> Fair enough, And accelerated stuff?

<icheyne> anyone checked out ubuntulite?

<cloakable> Would my emulators work?

<cellofellow> It wants lik 8x PCI-E, and won't work too well over a 56mbps wi-fi conneection. Slow.

<cellofellow> emulators?

<cellofellow> should be just like you're using the desktop.

<cloakable> Cool.

<cellofellow> You will still be able to use the laptop of course.

<cloakable> Yay for playing Final Fantasy II downstairs. Will the session do sound too?

<cellofellow> No sound.

<cloakable> Ahh.

<scraliontis> hi

<cloakable> Well, goodnight :)

<cellofellow> All sounds that programs make on my XDMCP connections show up on the local/desktop speakers

<scraliontis> i just upgraded to edgy, with dapper my webcam worked with no problem, however when i try and use itn now, i get the error message, cant connect to video0 all the time, even running as root and giving full read write access doesnt help, how can this be resolved please.

<cellofellow> you in the video group?

* cellofellow doesn't know anything about webcams, so don't listen to him.

<scraliontis> i has been causing loads of trouble for me, and any advice would be helpfull.

<cellofellow> scraliontis: sorry, I really don't have any advice. You could try #ubuntu, seeing as this is a more general problem and not really xubuntu-specific.

<cellofellow> :( I missed him.

<TheSheep> yawn

<cellofellow> how are you TheSheep ?

<TheSheep> cellofellow: good, thanks, how are you?

<cellofellow> good. :)

<icheyne> evening all, quick survey - what cd ripper do you use?

<cellofellow> grip

<TheSheep> same here

<icheyne> I should check it out

<icheyne> I have just tried a new one

<icheyne> rubyripper - produces very accurate rips

<icheyne> double checks them all

<icheyne> I'll try grip though

<icheyne> that and ripperx seem to get the most props

<icheyne> thanks

<cellofellow> I haven't the time for my ripper to double-check them. It's slow enough.

* cellofellow thinks it's his slow CD drive

<TheSheep> opinions anyone? http://sheep.art.pl/work/xubuntu/xubuntu.html

<TheSheep> .oO(the content will change, of course)

<icheyne> cellofellow, it's worth double-checking. Your CD ripper might be using paranoia mode. You can turn it off and it's much faster

<cellofellow> :( one bad thing about using XDMCP from a Windoze box is copy and paste don't work too well.

<icheyne> cellofellow, in fact turning off paranoia mode and double-checking like rubyripper is probably more secure *and* faster

<cellofellow> huh.

<icheyne> TheSheep, the logos look a bit weird

<icheyne> they should be shrunk or the margins changed

<TheSheep> icheyne: yeah, the colors collide :(

<icheyne> TheSheep, the chequered flags on the tabs look odd too

<icheyne> otherwise it looks fine

<icheyne> does it validate :)

<icheyne> ?

<TheSheep> icheyne: no idea, I didn't touch the html

<cellofellow> for the tabs to work they have to be on all the pages. Clicking the Wiki tab brought a page with no tabs.

<TheSheep> icheyne: and the margins in the 'related projects' and 'latest news' are forced in the html, so I can't touch them with css

<TheSheep> cellofellow: clicking doesn't work :)

<TheSheep> cellofellow: all links take you to the current site

<cellofellow> Looks good in the basics though. :)

<cellofellow> oh, ok

<icheyne> TheSheep, why don't you change the html?

<cellofellow> It's drupal. I don't know how much control he has.

<TheSheep> icheyne: because I only do the style

<icheyne> oh ok

<icheyne> well you asked and you got told :)

<TheSheep> sure, *someone* should remove that margins from the html :)

<TheSheep> thanks!

<cellofellow> TheSheep: good work. This is the assignment from the meeting?

<icheyne> TheSheep, my pleasure

<TheSheep> cellofellow: sort of, I started doing mockups :)

<cellofellow> ok

* cellofellow is going now

<TheSheep> note that this layout scales nicely when you change the fonts size or window size :)

<darrend> !paste

<ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)

<darrend> when I connect my phone to the usb port, the following shows up in syslog: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34439/ and /dev/sdc gets created, but I can't mount the device. mount errors with "mount: no such medium". Any clue?

<bigfuzzyjesus> hello world!

<atarinox> can somebody help me out...i have xfce4-session installed, but i xfce stopped managing my desktop at startup for some reason...

<bigfuzzyjesus> log out, go to "sessions" on the splash screen and select xfce,

<bigfuzzyjesus> atarinox, what opens instead of xfce

<renatoooo> algum brasileiro pra me dar uma ajuda rápida no xubuntu?

<wasp_ems> hello can someone help me in how to setup my wireless on my computer?

<intelikey> when i login to a gui i get a blank gui with a mouse cursor nothing more i have .dmrc and .Xsession both with different desktop environments in them but nothing loads anyone interested ?

<intelikey> also why does xdm use tty7 ?

<intelikey> never mind i'll use kdm.

<bigfuzzyjesus> wasp_ems, have you tried the forums

<wasp_ems> do u know how to change from ethernet to wireless?

<darrend> wasp_ems: how do you mean "change from" ?

<wasp_ems> well i am on the insternet now through ethernet and i want to enable wireless

<ellioTb> wifi ftw

<darrend> what wireless card do you have?

<wasp_ems> Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 79.9% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 69.20% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<ellioTb> dang, doesn't say mine in there

<wasp_ems> why when i type ifconfig i cannot see my wlan0 there?

<darrend> wasp_ems: have you installed the right drivers?

<wasp_ems> i havent installed anything..i have just installed xubuntu

<wasp_ems> should it not auto detect?

<renatoooo> my xubuntu desktop it disappeared

<renatoooo> somebody helps me?

<darrend> wasp_ems: depends how popular it is. If it's obscure, it's unlikely the installer or live CD will recognise it

<wasp_ems> darrend, but whenever i have installed other distros they always did..and so did live cds

<wasp_ems> in kubuntu it was fine

<wasp_ems> where is the wireless interface supposed to be

<darrend> wasp_ems: /etc/network/interfaces

<Commander-Crowe> how easy is it to get Xubuntu to use dual screens?

<DARKGuy> Hey, is there any app to recover bad sectors from a disk, or fix them like Scandisk in Win98?

<Commander-Crowe> yes

<Commander-Crowe> um

<Commander-Crowe> uh oh

<Commander-Crowe> I forgot what its called

<DARKGuy> Dang xD

<DARKGuy> glad to know there is

<DARKGuy> is it prone to damaging the disk just in case xD?

<Commander-Crowe> um

<Commander-Crowe> its recommended to not have the partitions mounted during the processes

<TheSheep> DARKGuy: fsck -c /dev/hdX will scan the surface of the disk and mark bad sectors so that they are not used

<TheSheep> make sure the disk is not mounted during the scan

<TheSheep> iden32_: so what problem is it?

<iden32_> add users and remove them

<DARKGuy> TheSheep: So I have to do it with a LiveCD? since it's the root drive :/

<TheSheep> DARKGuy: or remount / in read-only mode

<TheSheep> DARKGuy: mount -o ro,remount /

<DARKGuy> TheSheep: Okay, you say mount -o ro,remount / , and then fsok -c /dev/hdb ?

<DARKGuy> TheSheep: And that won't cause problems, or it's better to use a LiveCD?

<TheSheep> DARKGuy: no problems

<DARKGuy> TheSheep: Thanks a lot :)

<TheSheep> iden32_: the system→users and groups tool doesn't work?

<iden32_> icant find it

<TheSheep> iden32_: should be in the menu, under 'system'

<iden32_> k hold on

<iden32_> like setings from the bottom bar?

* TheSheep tries to remember the default layout of xubuntu desktop

<TheSheep> wasn't the applications menu at the top?

<DARKGuy> TheSheep: Like in Gnome, yes

<iden32_> k

<iden32_> at the top it says xfce settings

<iden32_> not what you had in mind is it?

<TheSheep> iden32_: there should be a menu with 'accessories', 'Games', 'Network', etc.

<TheSheep> iden32_: in this menu, there should be submenu 'System;

<TheSheep> iden32_: in this menu, there should be item 'Users and Groups'

<TheSheep> iden32_: this is what you should use to add/remove users

<iden32_> "start menu"?

<TheSheep> iden32_: are you sure you're using xubuntu?

<iden32_> yah

<TheSheep> there is no 'start menu' in xubuntu

<iden32_> it dosent say start menu but that is like what it is in win

<TheSheep> ok, yes, that's the menu

<iden32_> thats all i could think of

<iden32_> ok now in the settings i dont see a users

<TheSheep> not 'settings', 'system;

<bruenig> when I logout, it freezes and I have to hard reboot

<bruenig> bug or did I mess something up

<TheSheep> bruenig: not sure, but sounds like something messed up

<TheSheep> bruenig: is it a fresh install?

<iden32_> new login, run as different user, terminal, xfce mount mgr

<iden32_> thats whats there

<bruenig> TheSheep, no. I installed it when it came out, but I am the only user so I never logged out. Tried it today and it just froze up, and then again when I tested to see if it was a fluke

<TheSheep> iden32_: what version of xubuntu are you running? and are you sure it's not ubuntu?

<iden32_> where do i find that?

<TheSheep> bruenig: does it also freeze when you try to switch to text-mode and back? with alt+ctrl+f1

<bruenig> iden32_, is it blue or is it orange

<iden32_> blue

<bruenig> TheSheep, no

<TheSheep> or brown

<bruenig> iden32_, xubuntu then

<iden32_> yah

<TheSheep> iden32_: because from the descriptions it sounds like gnome menu :/

<iden32_> k

<bruenig> iden32_, lsb_release -a

<iden32_> what now?

<TheSheep> iden32_: open a terminal

<TheSheep> iden32_: and type 'user-admin' in it

<iden32_> k hold on

<TheSheep> iden32_: sorry, it's 'users-admin'

<Jester45> hello

<TheSheep> hi Jester45

<iden32_> command not found

<TheSheep> iden32_: seems like you don't have whole xubuntu

<TheSheep> iden32_: was the installation successful?

<iden32_> yah

<iden32_> e drive

<iden32_> xbox

<iden32_> c, e, f partitions

<TheSheep> iden32_: try this: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

<TheSheep> it should install all the missing parts

<iden32_> password

<TheSheep> iden32_: yes, enter your password there

<iden32_> couldnt find package xubuntu-desktop

* TheSheep breathes

<iden32_> wait thats E:

<TheSheep> yes?

<iden32_> then that message

<TheSheep> very strange

<iden32_> uh uho that dosent sound good

<TheSheep> !info xubuntu-desktop

<ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: Xubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.23 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 36 kB

<TheSheep> it's there :/

<iden32_> the sheep: now what?

<TheSheep> iden32_: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure you have the 'main' repositiory in there

<iden32_> what???

<TheSheep> iden32_: should be a line like this:

<TheSheep> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main

<TheSheep> if you have dapper

<TheSheep> might be also 'edgy'

<iden32_> ahhhh im lost!!!

<iden32_> im a begining user

<iden32_> new to all of this

<TheSheep> iden32_: apparently your system is not wholly installed

<iden32_> so what do i do?

<TheSheep> iden32_: for some reason, unknown to me

<iden32_> is it maybe that i installed it on E:?

<TheSheep> in terminal, type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list

<iden32_> k now what

<TheSheep> makes sure that the line that contains the 'main' repository is not commented out (doesn't have a '#' in front)

<TheSheep> should look like this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main

<TheSheep> it can have more in it

<TheSheep> that doesn;t matter for now

<TheSheep> just make sure there is no '#' at the beginning

<TheSheep> of that line

<iden32_> it says dep http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe

<iden32_> and same on deb-src

<TheSheep> ok, now we are getting somewhere

<iden32_> good

<TheSheep> you seem to be running 'breezy' version of ubuntu

<TheSheep> 'breezy badger'

<iden32_> ok sure

<TheSheep> at this version, there was no xubuntu yet, so it's not possible you're running xubuntu, you're running normal ubuntu

<TheSheep> I have no idea why it is blue

<iden32_> well the desktop says xUbuntu based on Ubuntu (i386)

<Jester45> TheSheep: there was a breezy xubuntu i think it was in dev you couldnt get a iso had to apt-get it

<TheSheep> Jester45: but apt says there is no xubuntu-desktop :(

<iden32_> i got an iso

<iden32_> i know that

<iden32_> www.xbox-linux.org

<TheSheep> iden32_: now, xbox-linux is not xubuntu...

<iden32_> that is the site that linked me to :sourceforge.net i think

<iden32_> hold on let me see

<TheSheep> iden32_: anyways, I cannot help you, because I just don't know the system you're running, it doesn't seem to be the xubuntu I know

<TheSheep> iden32_: everything is different

<TheSheep> iden32_: btw, you can create new users on any linux system by using: sudo useradd -m name-of-theuser-you-want-to-create

<TheSheep> iden32_: in the terminal

<Jester45> TheSheep: you dont know something..... o noo the sky is falling

<TheSheep> iden32_: and the setting password for him with: sudo passwd name-of-that-user

<Jester45> ooo

<colemanpa> its iden32: sorry my bat died

<Jester45> useradd -m suckit

<TheSheep> 03:31 < TheSheep> iden32_: anyways, I cannot help you, because I just don't know the system you're running, it doesn't seem to be the xubuntu I know

<TheSheep> 03:31 < TheSheep> iden32_: everything is different

<TheSheep> 03:33 < TheSheep> iden32_: and the setting password for him with: sudo passwd name-of-that-user

<TheSheep> 03:32 < TheSheep> iden32_: btw, you can create new users on any linux system by using: sudo useradd -m name-of-theuser-you-want-to-create

<Jester45> suck chatzilla

<TheSheep> 03:32 < TheSheep> iden32_: in the terminal

<TheSheep> Jester45: comments? http://sheep.art.pl/work/xubuntu/xubuntu.html

<Jester45> arrg

<TheSheep> Jester45: arrg?

<Jester45> i need a supercomputer

<TheSheep> Jester45: that bad?

<Jester45> with 600thz

<Jester45> im raring a 32xzipped file

<colemanpa> theSheep: its iden32

<colemanpa> private message me

<Jester45> zipped it 32 times

<Jester45> gonna rar it 32 times

<Jester45> its a dvd iso

<TheSheep> colemanpa: I know it's you, but why should I pm you?

<colemanpa> its less confusing to me

<TheSheep> Jester45: why?

<Jester45> gonna make it password guesser unguessable

<TheSheep> Jester45: just use longer password --)

<DARKGuy> is that ever possible raring a file 32 times oO

<Jester45> DARKGuy: yes

<Jester45> you just rar the rar

<TheSheep> DARKGuy: sure, it's all just data

<DARKGuy> Oh, cool

<DARKGuy> ... just be sure to not to forget any of the passwords xD

<Jester45> then rar the rar and rar it a few more times

<colemanpa> the sheep: nvm

<colemanpa> where did we leave off?

<DARKGuy> can "nice" be used with an already running program?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That's what 'renice' is for.

<DARKGuy> PuMpErNiCkLe: Ah, I see

<DARKGuy> PuMpErNiCkLe: I never got to understand the -20 +20 thing, -20 would be "lowest priority" and "+20" would be highest priority... or just 20 without the +, or how? oO that's been an existential doubt I've had since I used linux xD

<PuMpErNiCkLe> The higher the 'nice' value, the nicer the process is to other processes. e.g the less it hogs the cpu

<JasonMcg> <--- needs some help with ubuntu wireless internet

*** JasonMcg is now known as JasonMcG

<JasonMcG> anyone out there?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Yes, but you haven't exactly asked a question yet.

<JasonMcG> ok

<JasonMcG> well

<JasonMcG> it recognizes my card

<JasonMcG> as in

<JasonMcG> when i go to applications->system->networking

<JasonMcG> i see wireless connection

<JasonMcG> how do i get my ESSID?

<JasonMcG> is there anyway it can auto config like windows?

<JasonMcG> i clicked enable this connection

<TheSheep> iwconfig wlan0 essid any

<JasonMcG> Operation not permitted

<JasonMcG> do i need to be logged in as root?

<JasonMcG> can you be logged in as root?

<vidd> you CAN....

<vidd> it is NOT recommended

<vidd> why you want to be logged in as root?

<vidd> already missing viruses and spyware?

<JasonMcG> i tried to do the iwconfig wlan0 essid any but it said operation not permitted

<JasonMcG> im trying to setup my wireless

<TheSheep> JasonMcG: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any

<vidd> you need to type "sudo" befor that command

<JasonMcG> oo

<vidd> "sudo" gives you root access for a limited time

<vidd> like one command only

<JasonMcG> it said no such device

<JasonMcG> ah

<JasonMcG> thats why i had to put a password when i used it

<JasonMcG> but it said no such device..

<vidd> this way only what YOU say "treat like im root" gets run as root

<vidd> ic....

<vidd> are you using ndiswrapper?

<JasonMcG> no i read about it, what exactly is it and how do i get it?

<JasonMcG> i didn't understand from the reading

<vidd> well....

<vidd> first off....

<vidd> do you have a wireless card?

<JasonMcG> lol

<JasonMcG> yes

<vidd> is it recognized ?

<JasonMcG> i believe so...Wireless Connection shows up in applications->system->netowroking

<JasonMcG> networking*

<vidd> you will find this out by going to >Applications>system>networking

<JasonMcG> yeah

<vidd> ok....

<JasonMcG> it shows up as Wireless Connection

<vidd> type lspci

<JasonMcG> in terminal?

<vidd> and paste the contents:

<vidd> !paste | JasonMcG

<ubotu> JasonMcG: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)

<vidd> yes...in terminal

<JasonMcG> i didn;t get the text from the pastebin

<vidd> copy the output....go to the link, past the content there, post link to content here

<JasonMcG> ohhh

<JasonMcG> ok

<JasonMcG> from the terminal

<JasonMcG> ugh

<JasonMcG> ima have to plug the ethernet cable into it

<vidd> ok

<JasonMcG> just incase i can avoid that

<vidd> you are going to need to do that anyway....

<JasonMcG> 6

<vidd> i suspect you have a bcm43xx card

<JasonMcG> 6:00.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)

<JasonMcG> yep

<vidd> just what i suspected

<vidd> let me find the right weiki page

<JasonMcG> aight, i appreciate the help

<JasonMcG> i tried sudo apt-get install wifi-radar, but the package wasn't found

<vidd> np...took me 4 days to get mine to work

<JasonMcG> eek

<vidd> will not take you but 20 minutes.... MAX

<vidd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy

<vidd> USE THE NATIVE DRIVER

<vidd> sorry for the caps

<vidd> you know how to enable the universe repo's?

<JasonMcG> system administration right?

<vidd> no....

<vidd> open synaptic

<JasonMcG> system->synaptic package manager

<vidd> yes

<JasonMcG> k

<vidd> then >settings>repositories

<JasonMcG> do i check everything?

<vidd> i did

<vidd> once you do, you need to refresh

<vidd> this will reload all the newly available packages

<JasonMcG> lol i just tried without being connected

<JasonMcG> got a few errors

<JasonMcG> but i get what ur saying

<vidd> the errors are cuzz you are using the US server

<JasonMcG> wow

<JasonMcG> wait

<JasonMcG> what if i dont have my installation cd?

<JasonMcG> that came with my card

<vidd> no problem

<vidd> that cd has (*&%$&'d drivers anyway

<vidd> very linux-hostile

<vidd> the way im going to walk ya through works like a dream....not a nightmare:)

<JasonMcG> ok

<vidd> kk....once you reload synaptic....close it and hop back to the CLI (terminal)

<JasonMcG> well let me plug the laptop into the ethernet

<JasonMcG> and load IRC

<vidd> yell when ya up

<vidd> uptime[32m 21s]

<Jester45> only?

<vidd> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Pentium III (Katmai) @ 448MHz] mem[Physical : 313MB, 62.7% free] disk[Total : 78.22GB, 92.70% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]] sound[]

<vidd> Jester45, power outage

<Jester45> sure...

<Jester45> uptime[unknow]

<Jester45> insert an n

* vidd coulda said he was on his laptop....

<vidd> =]

<Jester45> tell him to keep the ethernet calbe pluged into lappy

<vidd> i did

<Jester45> he can just use xubuntu's irc

<vidd> ive re-installed that *&**&)(*)& driver so many times, i can do it in my sleep!

<cellofellow> :(

<vidd> *wave* cellofellow

<cellofellow> hi vidd

<vidd> how goes it

<Jester45> good

<Jester45> you

<cellofellow> goody.

<Jester45> :0

<vidd> all's good

<Jester45> HELLO OVER THERE CELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME?

<cellofellow> Hi Jester45

<Jester45> COME JOIN US

<Jester45> ok

<Jester45> i can talk noramly now

<cellofellow> lol

<Jester45> looky vidd cello is here

<vidd> Jester45, i think there are some microbe's on Mars the didn't hear ya!

<Jester45> HEY YOU

<cellofellow> ME?

<Jester45> COME ON OVER

<cellofellow> where?

<cellofellow> vidd: so what's the trouble now?

<Jester45> nothin

<Jester45> just wireless problems

<Jester45> i anser for vidd

<cellofellow> Wireless.

<vidd> nothing...i'm walking someone thru setting up the same wireless card i have'

<cellofellow> oh. ok.

<vidd> like i said...i've done it so many times....im ALMOST a pro

<Jester45> EvErYtHiNg is WronG

<cellofellow> :)

<Jester45> umMM... I THink my Voice IS mesSED UP

<vidd> is it better for everything to be wrong, or nothing to be right?

<Jester45> everything ot be wrong

<vidd> wich viewpoint is optimistic, and which ois pessimistic?

<Jester45> you can thing things that are wrong but you cant fix things that are not right

<cellofellow> I have a lappy with a Linksys WP11B or something like that. I want to install Xubuntu but can't right now. Mom needs it for work.

<Jester45> poor baby

<cellofellow> I have to wait till the November crunch for her job is over.

* vidd might have a chernobyl you can use.....=]

<Jester45> i put xubuntu on my mom lappy and changed the color and some other things

<vidd> just kidding

<Jester45> she didnt know

<cellofellow> lol you kiding right?

<vidd> me? or Jester45 ?

<Jester45> she uses ms word

<Jester45> and other ms office things

<Jester45> so i just wined it

<Jester45> oo

<Jester45> new word

<Jester45> wined

<Jester45> not a wine deamon

<Jester45> better yet

<cellofellow> hehe. I have trouble with wine it doesn't like me.

<Jester45> i like wine

<Jester45> but vodka is better

<Jester45> better kcik

<Jester45> kick

<Jester45> nobody talking

<cellofellow> nobody has problems I guess.

<Jester45> i have mental ones

<Jester45> wanna help

<cellofellow> lol of course.

<cellofellow> My dad's a therapist. :)

<Jester45> ok when i was 6....

<cellofellow> I'M NOT A THERAPIST!

<cellofellow> :)

<TheSheep> cellofellow: the rapist?

<Jester45> it all started one summer...

<Jester45> cello can icant pay your dad

<cellofellow> TheSheep: huh?

<Jester45> let me retype that

<Jester45> cello i cant pay your dad to much $$$ for me im 15

<TheSheep> Jester45: how do you like my take on the xubuntu.org?

<Jester45> umm...

<Jester45> havent been there sence my dl of the iso

* cellofellow looks back in the log and sees Jester45 asked for help.

<cellofellow> :/

<TheSheep> Jester45: no, I mean this:

<Jester45> i dont wanna go

<Jester45> you cant make me

<TheSheep> well, nevermind

<Jester45> i liked it

<TheSheep> They're going to take ma waya, haha!

<Jester45> what ever it was

<Jester45> becuase you said it

<TheSheep> to the nice little house, with flowers and trees

<Jester45> it is right

<TheSheep> and yought people in white will care for me

<cellofellow> TheSheep: I was just thinking, I like the overall color, but it clashes with the Xubuntu logo. Maybe we should chante the logos colors a little?

<vidd> i wonder if jason is coming back....

<Jester45> lol

<vidd> i so wanted to help set up that card

<TheSheep> cellofellow: well, that's something to discuss with the art team :0

<Jester45> he musta broke the eth0 driver

* TheSheep -> bed

<Jester45> when the next meeting

<vidd> lol....ive done that

<Jester45> i broke teh card

<Jester45> oo

<vidd> TheSheep, what did you do with the .org sire?

<Jester45> i got a new card

<vidd> 8site

<Jester45> 3 eth ports :) its a router in its self

<Jester45> never have yo many ports

* vidd is thinking about doing something like that

* cellofellow wishes his router had more eth ports. :)

<Jester45> cellofellow: how many you got

<vidd> most likely 4

<cellofellow> It's a 4 port router, with 1 uplink port that's not in use cause I can't turn off the blinkin firewall.

<cellofellow> I have two routers

<Jester45> i have a 4port an 12 port with 4 daisy chain ports and i 24 port that is my main one

<Jester45> so..

<cellofellow> one has only one eth port, so it plugs into the 4 port.

<Jester45> like 36 ports

<cellofellow> the one port is a modem.

<vidd> ah carumba

* cellofellow thinks he'd be better with a big switch than a router.

<Jester45> lol

<Jester45> i dont use them all

<Jester45> only half :)

<Jester45> jk

<Jester45> like 10 of them

<Jester45> when i have halo/lan parties it gets filled fast

<vidd> cellofellow, you have HOW MANY open, active ports?

<Jester45> then my friend brings a 2nd 24port

<Jester45> so its all good

<cellofellow> vidd: 4 lan ports, all filled.

<cellofellow> Jester45: wow. that's a lot of party.

<Jester45> well

<vidd> you got wireless in there too?

<Jester45> computers plus xboxes

<cellofellow> yes

<Jester45> thats 2 per person

<vidd> why you need more then 4 ports?

<Jester45> some ppl bring a few computers

<Jester45> ethernet cable is ceaper

<vidd> Jester45, you have wireless in there too?

<Jester45> no

* Jester45 hates wireless

<vidd> ?

<vidd> y?

<cellofellow> make that 3 LAN.

<vidd> what type of router?

<Jester45> vidd: its only good for stealing

<cellofellow> Netgear

<cellofellow> Is Netgear a linux OS?

<Jester45> i got both my neboirs internet

<vidd> cellofellow, and you cant disable the firewall?

<cellofellow> I can't just kill the NAT. :(

<Jester45> its like a 3meg and 10 meg

<vidd> is it you CANT, or you are not permitted?

<Jester45> cellofellow: do i what i do

<Jester45> cellofellow: open ports 1-14000

<cellofellow> vidd: no option in the web syste,. So I don't know how.

<cellofellow> Jester45: of course!

<Jester45> then split it off as you do down the network

<Jester45> like fore me its

<cellofellow> :) Don't turn it off, just effectively disabled,

<vidd> if you have windows machines on it, they will be toast in like 45 minutes

<Jester45> modem 1-14000 ->1st router 1-14k ->3 computers give 3k portgs to each

<Jester45> vidd: if he has 2nd or more devices with firewall

<cellofellow> vidd: I have another router that's already the NAT. The NAT on this particular router is disabled by virtue of not using the WAN port.

<Jester45> just open them to the next untill it gets to window machine

<vidd> get you a linksys wrt45g

<Jester45> i have

<Jester45> a netopia somethin

<JasonMcG> ugh

<cellofellow> I got this router free, and it's the only way I'd have one period.

<Jester45> d link e somthing

<JasonMcG> hey vidd

<vidd> wb JasonMcG

<JasonMcG> well

<Jester45> a d linkde 12000

<vidd> you on the lappy?

<Jester45> and the others are to far away

<JasonMcG> i couldn't successfully get an irc client on xubuntu

<JasonMcG> and i know that sounds really

<JasonMcG> really lame

<JasonMcG> but i dont have too much time

<Jester45> JasonMcG: use gaim

<cellofellow> IRSSI FTW!

<JasonMcG> so i went ahead and went threw that tut you gave me

<Jester45> gaim ftw

<JasonMcG> and no luck

<JasonMcG> yah i can use gaim

<JasonMcG> wats your aim vidd? pm me

<vidd> is the lappy on the internet?

<JasonMcG> no :(

<Jester45> mine is hotchamp14

<vidd> usrts3

<Jester45> i could relay messages

<mortal5> has anyone here ever heard of xubuntu automatically logging them out?

<cellofellow> here's what my network looks like: http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=networkdrawingsh2.png

<cellofellow> mortal5: X crashing?

<Jester45> mortal try ctrl alt del to fic hte problem

<mortal5> cellofellow, I don't think so...

<Jester45> :)

<Jester45> im evil

<vidd> JasonMcG, my aol IM is usrts3

<Jester45> it is

<cellofellow> Jabber FTW! GTalk

<Jester45> his is on my list

<vidd> Jabber? what is that?

<Jester45> im

<Jester45> i tihnk

<cellofellow> It's an open IM system. Sort of like email, blended with AIM, and popularized by Google.

<cellofellow> jabber.org

<cellofellow> Google Talk uses the Jabber/XMPP protocol.

<vidd> cellofellow, i think i'll pass ty all the same

<cellofellow> It's ok. I just never like AOL one bit and don't have an AIM nick.

<Jester45> cellofellow: i might try it

<Jester45> i have

<cellofellow> Jester45: iJabber.com is a good server.

<Jester45> irc aim yim icq

<cellofellow> I use gmail.

<cellofellow> IRC, Jabber/GTalk, MSN.

<Jester45> cello im gonna upload my network liek you

<cellofellow> Made drawing with Inkscape and the little pics are icons from /usr/share/icons/Tango/scaleable.

<Jester45> im gonan make custom

<cellofellow> :) Ok. I guess you're better at vectors than me. :)

<Jester45> i use gimp

<Jester45> pretty

<Jester45> ok done

<Jester45> just uploading

<Jester45> or somthing

<Jester45> oo

<Jester45> transfering data

<Jester45> waiting again

<cellofellow> how big is the file? sounds like it must be a beast to take that long.

<Jester45> http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9434/untitledhl1.jpg

<Jester45> 53k

<Jester45> lol

<cellofellow> :)

<Jester45> i killed my computer

<Jester45> looks good doesnt it

<Jester45> hard to type

<Jester45> i dont know hwoto move stuff ether

<cellofellow> all those ports, and only two boxes. :D

<Jester45> well

<Jester45> no

<cellofellow> you didn't draw them all?

<Jester45> thats simply filed

<ellioTb> i wonder why gconf is running

<ellioTb> isn't that for gnome?

<Jester45> no

<Jester45> never

<Jester45> nada

<Jester45> naga are from wc3

<Jester45> someone talk to me

<ellioTb> nope

<Jester45> or i will hug you

<cellofellow> Jester45 is nuts.

<Jester45> right vidd

<deedubb> Which functionality of Gnome is not in Xcfe?

<Jester45> http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9434/untitledhl1.jpg

<vidd> sorry....im still helping jason

<Jester45> look

<Jester45> its my little baby

<Jester45> should of made it a windows filetype

<ellioTb> deedubb, what do you mean

<cellofellow> jpg's not windows? I guess it is sort of Mac-ish, but...

<deedubb> anyone? Should I have started with "hello" maybe? sorry; Hello. Can someone tell me whats missing from gnome that makes xfce better?

<Jester45> did you know the gimp and save files as c source code?

<vidd> Jester45, ive seen battleblans modified on the fly that looked better then that!

<vidd> what is it SUPPOSED to be/

<vidd> ?

<ellioTb> deedubb, its not what is missing, but what is there

<JasonMcG> AHH

<deedubb> Like I see its a GTK implmentation, so it can run gtk applications; but can xfce say do those desklets?

<ellioTb> xfce runs a lot faster

<vidd> JasonMcG, what up?

<ellioTb> xfce can run gnome applets

<deedubb> right, but for faster theres a trade off, what is it?

<cellofellow> gdesklets? I don't know.

<ellioTb> kde and gnome apps

<JasonMcG> i tried linksys-a, and linksys-g

<JasonMcG> neighter worked :(

<ellioTb> deedubb, i don't really know, i use xfce on my laptop and gnome on my main comp

<vidd> get back on im

<JasonMcG> and i dont think there's a network password?

<cellofellow> mine's so much cooler than Jester45's: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3415/networkdrawingsh2.png

<ellioTb> i can do everything in xfce that i can do in gnome

<Jester45> youes is premade

* cellofellow never gave gnome more than like 2 days, so don't ask him.

<Jester45> i have gnome 1 minutes

<ellioTb> cellofellow, nice drawing, a lot of free time?

<Jester45> then noticed i burnt the ubuntu iso not the xubuntu

<cellofellow> took about an hour, late night. :)

<ellioTb> deedubb, its really a personal opinion

<ellioTb> deedubb, as with all of the desktop enviroments

<Jester45> so i unplugged teh comp

<JasonMcG> ill be on in a sec, gotta hook the laptop back up

<ellioTb> deedubb, what kinda comp you putting it on, err how fast

<cellofellow> ellioTb: I used the scaleable versions of the tango icons. They're in /usr/share/icons/Tango/scaleable

<Jester45> http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9434/untitledhl1.jpg that fast?

<deedubb> ellioTb: so I can add all the bloatware into xfce to make it just like gnome?

<vidd> JasonMcG, you need to identify what your wireless network is

<Jester45> deedubb: yes

<JasonMcG> what do you mean by that?

<JasonMcG> like, eth1?

<cellofellow> needs the ESSID and the (if existent) access key.

<ellioTb> deedubb, you could run all gnome apps and all that bloatware and make em the same if you want

<JasonMcG> well

<vidd> eth1 is your wifi card

<JasonMcG> i think my ESSID is linksys-g

<JasonMcG> i dont think i have an access key?

<cellofellow> JasonMcG: check your router.

<vidd> linksys (or something similar) is the ESSID

<deedubb> ellioTb: It's an 1800+ w/ 768MB of ram, 120GB drive; I want it to be a server with a GUI on top; I want gnome functionality but a lower memory footprint would be nice sinces it's a 'server' - server in the lightest form - I bet my cellphone has enough cpu power for what I need in a 'server' - it's to play with linux really

<cellofellow> JasonMcG: the key key would be WEP or WPA-PSK.

<ellioTb> deedubb, well i would check out xfce for sure

<JasonMcG> ah

<JasonMcG> it picked up my mac

<ellioTb> you can always install gnome really easily and see the memory usage difference

<JasonMcG> its finding my router...

<deedubb> ellioTb: ever found something that didn't work?

<ellioTb> deedubb, nope

<vidd> JasonMcG, what is the essid on the mac?

<deedubb> why doesn't ubuntu make Xfce the default?

<Jester45> deedubb: you can run every thing that ubuntu run on xubuntu

<cellofellow> deedubb: use Xubuntu and add stuff as needed. If it won't work, it will download the extra files you won't even know.

<ellioTb> i like gnome and xfce equally, i think i am just more comfortable in xfce now

<Jester45> deedubb: its not gnome thats why

<ellioTb> i would just burn a xubuntu and a ubuntu live cd, check em out and see what ya like more

<vidd> deedubb, only think i found in xfce that didnt work was printing from mousepad....

<Jester45> deedubb: just so you know i order ubuntu cds for free coasters

<vidd> but i found the fix for that

<cellofellow> I ordered them for christmas presents.

<ellioTb> lol, i wanna order some

<Jester45> no i want my coaster

<cellofellow> ellioTb: get on the ball now, or they won't get here (the states) before christmas.

<Jester45> ellioTb: your greedy :)

<ellioTb> deedubb, really the best advice i have ever gotten about choosing a desktop environment, was just to try it out

<ellioTb> i could just burn them

<ellioTb> but do they come in a nice lil package?

<Jester45> ellioTb: you get STICKERS

<vidd> ellioTb, didn't you use evilWM for like 30 seconds?

<ellioTb> Jester45, OMFG

* cellofellow has done JWM, Fluxbox, XFCE, GNOME, KDE, Screen.

<ellioTb> yeah i did

<ellioTb> 30 secs is an overstatement

<cellofellow> all better than windows.

<ellioTb> i went through all the window managers too

<ellioTb> i liked blackbox i think it was

<Jester45> ellioTb: yes OMFG ellioTb REAL STICKERS

<vidd> cellofellow, the brick in the closet is better then windows

<Jester45> !caps

<ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.

<JasonMcG> i still kinda like windows :)

<JasonMcG> dude

<JasonMcG> im about to give up on wireless

<ellioTb> am i a dork if i put ubuntu stickers on my laptop

<Jester45> JasonMcG: good for you

<cellofellow> I once tried TWM, which was included on Knoppix. Strange. No panels or background or nothin.

<vidd> JasonMcG, windows is only good for opening up in the summertime.....

<cellofellow> lol

<JasonMcG> :D

<Jester45> ellioTb: i put them on my bus

<vidd> cuzz summer the times it works....summer the times it dont!

<Jester45> vidd: lol you makes a funny

<cellofellow> I try my best to advertise with Ubuntu stickers. On my Cello case, my bookbag...

<ellioTb> bookbag, you have 10 ppl at your school lol

<vidd> i found a place you can get "powered by ubuntu" stickers

<ellioTb> i wanna put it over my windows XP sticker on this laptop

<ellioTb> vidd, where?!

<cellofellow> I know, and I'm done with co-op today was last day and all the other kids are so much younger than me.

<Jester45> vidd: TELL US NOW

<vidd> give me a sec to find it again

<Jester45> NOW NOW NOW

<deedubb> how old cellofellow?

<Jester45> :)

<ellioTb> cellofellow is 12

<cellofellow> me, 16. other kids like <= 14

<Jester45> man cello you old

<ellioTb> i am old

<Jester45> :)

<Jester45> im 15

<Jester45> 16 in dec 29

<cellofellow> hi maxamillion!

<Jester45> maxie

<maxamillion> hi

<Jester45> pad

<maxamillion> guh ... brb, dog needs to go out

<Jester45> lol

<vidd> http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64

<cellofellow> lol I know the feeling

<Jester45> max dosent love us

<ellioTb> what cd package should i order?

<Jester45> the big one

<DARKGuy> Alright, I need some step-to-step guide by someone on how to use network shares that are under Windows. I know Samba does that but I've had so much issues with Samba that I'd prefer someone with experience guide me to do it the right way so it works just like in Windows

<vidd> CHECK it OUT

<cellofellow> no xubuntu stickers :(

<DARKGuy> And by the way, good evening and all that xD

<ellioTb> hey

<ellioTb> look at this

<ellioTb> http://picasaweb.google.com/elliotboney/Thanksgiving/photo#5000770455734583314

<ellioTb> thats a pic of me and my brother

<ellioTb> see if you see the age difference

<cellofellow> They aren't free, they cost a stamp. More than Ubuntu CD's.

<cellofellow> what

<cellofellow> 's one stamp?

<DARKGuy> Actually, brb!

<cellofellow> ellioTb: that's a dog.

<vidd> hello maxamillion

<ellioTb> lol, wrong pic?

<ellioTb> http://lh6.google.com/image/elliotboney/RWZOO_lUABI/AAAAAAAAAyY/EdjlezAF-IU/DSC01030.JPG?imgmax=512

<vidd> Jester45, ellioTb, cellofellow y'all catch that link?

<vidd> http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64

<cellofellow> vidd: yeah I did. I'll have to sneak some stamps

* vidd needs like 50

<cellofellow> ellioTb: that's you BROTHER? Yeeks.

<ellioTb> cellofellow, i know, age difference?

<cellofellow> yeah. My littlest brother is 6 years younger than me.

<ellioTb> mine is 23 years younger

<vidd> my oldest is 16....my youngest is 2

<vidd> well...almost 2

<ellioTb> how about this pic of me

<ellioTb> http://lh3.google.com/image/elliotboney/RUMRZWPWABI/AAAAAAAAAfw/lv_6PRari9M/DSC00791.JPG?imgmax=512

<cellofellow> ellioTb: how you get Picasa Web Albums working on Linux? I can't find the version of picasa with web ablums support.

<cellofellow> all of a sudden got really quiet

<vidd> thats cuzz jester left

<cellofellow> lol

<vidd> did ya notice the temp dropped to?

<vidd> no more hot air blowing through

<vidd> =]

<cellofellow> yeah. And it was already cold. Snowed today.

<maxamillion> back

<maxamillion> what'd i miss?

<vidd> wb max

<cellofellow> hi maxamillion

<vidd> wb maxamillion

<cellofellow> Jester45 going nuts as usual.

<ellioTb> cellofellow, you want picasa workin huh?

<vidd> how can he be going someplace he's been @ forever?

<ellioTb> i use grub to get it to work

<cellofellow> I have the older version. No albums.

<ellioTb> i point grub at my xp installation on my main comp, voila

<maxamillion> cellofellow: if you run x86, picasa will work

<cellofellow> Windows? Darnit.

<ellioTb> i had it working on here

<ellioTb> i used automatix to install it or something

<cellofellow> maxamillion: I know, but not the version with Web Albums, they haven't WINE'd that yet.

<ellioTb> uses wine stuff

* vidd avoids wine like the plague

* cellofellow has no XP. Never has had a copy.

<ellioTb> who else sends out free cds!

<cellofellow> vidd: yeah, yeah. Whether you meen the drink or the software I don't know.

* vidd can bootleg you a copy....

<maxamillion> cellofellow: oh, didn't know that

<ellioTb> word up maxamillion

<maxamillion> hiya ellioTb

<vidd> and mail ya the sticker to use it

<cellofellow> I don't have XP-worthy hardware either.

<vidd> all the xp-worthy hardware cant run win95!

<ellioTb> vidd, you'll mail me a sticker

* cellofellow doesn't think ANY hardware is so "worthy" to be tortured with the likes of XP.

<vidd> xacly

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, you have XP-worthy hardware... your machine will boot the base install :)

<vidd> ellioTb, no...cellofello

<ellioTb> i just want the ubuntu sticker

<cellofellow> we should start a hardware-rights activist group. People for the Ethical Treatment of PC Hardware.

<ellioTb> maybe i'll be like maxamillion and get it tattoo'd on my ase

<cellofellow> Hostname: josh-desktop - OS: Linux 2.6.17-10-386/i686 - CPU: Pentium III (Katmai) (449.014 MHz) - Processes: 108 - Uptime: 1d 14m - Load Average: 2.11 - Memory Usage: 191.14mb/313.51mb (60.97%) - Disk Usage: 5.52gb/12.04gb (45.81%)

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 69.0% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 69.20% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<cellofellow> would run XP but no reall apps.

<vidd> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Pentium III (Katmai) @ 448MHz] mem[Physical : 313MB, 57.8% free] disk[Total : 78.22GB, 92.70% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]] sound[]

<maxamillion> ellioTb: i have debian tattooed on me!!! not ubuntu ... big difference (pride wise)

<ellioTb> ellioTb FTW!

<ellioTb> maxamillion, i know, still worked as a joke though

<maxamillion> ellioTb: this is true :)

<ellioTb> i gotta buy a digital SLR

<vidd> i was going to get a windows tatoo....but the artist wouldnt tatoo that far inside my .....just kidding

<maxamillion> vidd: lol

<cellofellow> And the PETPH would run around like maniacs forcing people to balance windows on their heads so they know how bad the hardware feels.

<ellioTb> you guys seen this? http://ps3.shimpinomori.net/index_en.html

<ellioTb> if you hack his web page, you get a free ps3

<cellofellow> huh

<maxamillion> ellioTb: yeah, i posted that link in the chan 8 hours ago ;)

<ellioTb> i saw it yesterday, i wanna hax it so bad

<cellofellow> why that guy do that? Just teach someone how to break a really strong system.

<maxamillion> i know people who could pill it off, but 2 of them are fedora core users and the other would rather not be publicized for doing such a thing

<ellioTb> i used to hack nt web servers to host warez

<ellioTb> back in a day...this one is a lil more difficult, lol

<cellofellow> maxamillion: says it has FC onboard. Get your friends onto it. They'll thank you and let you play on it any time. :)

<maxamillion> cellofellow: no, i think he wants to see how stable and secure the ps3 port is .... i really think this is pure case study because if he were to prove its security, he could really make some money hosting webservers on ps3s

<maxamillion> cellofellow: lol

<ellioTb> its running off a ps3?

<vidd> yeah

<ellioTb> nice

<deedubb> what have you got on it so far?

<ellioTb> well, just gotta find an exploit in one of his server apps

<deedubb> just 80/tcp open?

<ellioTb> openssh is running

<vidd> looks that way

<ellioTb> you could prolly just do a brute force ssh

<cellofellow> what if it's like really OpenBSD or Trustix that's running and it's really really really secure?

<deedubb> thats kinda 'dirty'

<deedubb> its fedora core

<maxamillion> deedubb: naw, there are a couple others, there was a post on a forum about it

<maxamillion> deedubb: lemme scan it

<ellioTb> there are a million open

<ellioTb> but only a few are real i htink

<vidd> what is the max length of a password in FC?

<maxamillion> ellioTb: yeah?

<ellioTb> i scanned it yesterday

<maxamillion> vidd: whatever it is for PAM

<vidd> what language is the site

<maxamillion> vidd: i think .... i'm pretty sure FC uses PAM

<maxamillion> vidd: english

<maxamillion> but it is translated in french if prefered

<cellofellow> no, near the top there's a non-english link

<cellofellow> oh

<maxamillion> ;)

<vidd> french i think

<cellofellow> count me out of this contest. I can't hack anything linux. Windows on the other hand just does nearly nothing for security :)

<maxamillion> what is the traceroute command again?

<cellofellow> tracpath

<cellofellow> tracepath

<maxamillion> ahhh thanx

<cellofellow> just type trace<tab><tab> next time. :)

<maxamillion> oh yeah ... lol

<vidd> maxamillion, you get schooled by a teen?

<maxamillion> vidd: yeah, i swore it was tracert

<deedubb> it must be just port 80, why would he have anything else open

<maxamillion> deedubb: a fighting chance

<maxamillion> ha! traceroute6

<maxamillion> i knew there was something like that

<ellioTb> nmap ftw

<maxamillion> yeah

<deedubb> I'll have to research this "publicfile" server

<cellofellow> maxamillion: you tried XDMCP yet?

<maxamillion> so here's the issue ... ps3.shimpinomori.net is resolved from within the intranet

<maxamillion> cellofellow: no, i meant to though.... i plan to do it at the office

<cellofellow> maxamillion: perfect. You need too get to your workstation from another in the office, just connect and DING! it's like you're local.

<deedubb> no wonder he's not affacted by the digg effect, this is a super small httpd

<maxamillion> cellofellow: sweet

<cellofellow> 'cept sound. Apps that make sounds always do it on the host machine.

<maxamillion> deedubb: lighttpd or smaller, like monkeyhttpd?

<cellofellow> I think aRTS is supposed to have some X-style network system, but I don't know.

<maxamillion> oh wow .. so, the main site has netbios ports open ...

<maxamillion> you could, in theory, gain access to that box and remote in locally with lesser security settings since its on the same intranet

<cellofellow> maybe they're tarpits. I read about using the NTBS ports to lure in attackers and then getting them stuck with a tarpit and crashing their (the attacker's) computers.

<cellofellow> maxamillion: he said no compromising other machines on the local net. I'll bet he'll check the samba stuff.

<vidd> does the acual site system have ftp open?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: true ...

<maxamillion> cellofellow: lol, i would laugh if its a tarpit ... i will just try to access it from a test machine at work and wipe the hard drive when i'm done

<vidd> it would be nice if we had specs on the machine

<vidd> list of open ports

<cellofellow> Anybody know any port-scanning apps?

<vidd> for windoze

<maxamillion> according to dns lookup, the ps3 doesn't have its own public ip address

<maxamillion> cellofellow: nmap

<cellofellow> NAT! Huh.

<maxamillion> i don't understand how we are expected to comprimise a machine that is NAT'd without first compromising something else

<maxamillion> makes no sense

* vidd was just going to say the same thing

<deedubb> then you have to attack the open endpoints right?

* vidd thinks we should just bring down the whole subnet

<maxamillion> vidd: but then there is no ps3

<deedubb> he specifically says thats not allowed - so if you wana do it for the point of doing it - fine, but I wouldn't expect a ps3

<vidd> from what i see, there is no way to acually win it anyway

<cellofellow> you have to do something as root to the machine.

<deedubb> ya, write a file

<vidd> that is (almost) easy....

<cellofellow> some expert won't go looking for workarounds, and will just attack the weekest point: the http server.

<vidd> IF you can get in

<maxamillion> it might be possible to tunnel through and got some forwarding of traffic

<vidd> install a rootkit

<maxamillion> but, i don't know how to do it ... i understand it conceptually, but not in practice

<vidd> where is jknife

<deedubb> the http server is ultrasleek - publicserver... assuming he didn't also fake the headers

<vidd> !seen jknife

<ubotu> I last saw JKnife (n=JKnife@unaffiliated/jknife) 22h 9m 35s ago, quiting: "bbl playing with something"

<cellofellow> he's not been here a whole day. huh.

<vidd> maybe he's half-way to france

<ellioTb> i want this for xmas

<ellioTb> http://www.gp2x.com/

<cellofellow> handheld Linux game machine? cool.

<cellofellow> or is that Linux on PSP? I can't tell.

<vidd> get me the winning powerball numbers and i'll get ya 3

<maxamillion> pretty sure its different

<maxamillion> vidd: lol

<vidd> B$ the drawling

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> yeah, i don't think this hack the ps3 thing can be done within his rules

<vidd> ill even get you the "powered by ubuntu" stickers

<maxamillion> yeah, i want some of those

<vidd> did you see my link?

<vidd> http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64

<maxamillion> yeah, i saw that a while back ... friend of mine sent me the link, i like it

<cellofellow> yes vidd. I would go get envelopes and stamps now If they weren't in my parents room.

* vidd wants to scrape the "designed for" sticker off his laptop and replace it

<maxamillion> lol

<cellofellow> if I want to install and remove packages in the same command with aptitude, how do I do that?

<cellofellow> something like sudo aptitude install package-a - package-b

<cellofellow> ?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: aptitude install foo && remove bar (i think)

<cellofellow> i'll try that. for some reason I thought that + or - signs were usable somewhere.

<cellofellow> && didn't work. It got intercepted by the shell.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: maybe ... i just know apt-get and that aptitude will _usually_ take apt-get commands verbatim

<maxamillion> hrmm...

<maxamillion> you know ... maybe && doesn't work with apt-get either

<maxamillion> :/

<cellofellow> && is in the shell's syntax, so it can't be in a command's syntax.

<vidd> someone asked me to test a python app (? script ?) ....how do i run it?

<cellofellow> python /foo/bar.py?

<cellofellow> I don't know.

<vidd> maxamillion, you know?

<maxamillion> vidd: yeah .... cellofellow's command should work

<maxamillion> vidd: or just double click in in thunar

<ellioTb> i want that portable linux gaming thing!

<cellofellow> connection died.

<maxamillion> ellioTb: yeah ... me too

<maxamillion> ellioTb: buy me one when you get yours

<ellioTb> lol, it looks awsome huh

<ellioTb> can u run linux on a PSP?

<ellioTb> i might just get one of those

<cellofellow> I think you can.

<ellioTb> that would be awsome

<maxamillion> ellioTb: yeah, you can even run mac os 7.2 on a psp :)

<vidd> i need an iso of a mac os

<cellofel1ow> Mac 7 is free.

<cellofel1ow> 8 isn't though :(

<vidd> i wanna qemu it SO bad

<vidd> cellofel1ow, but WHERE to get the iso?

<cellofel1ow> apple.com maybe. some dark dingy corner of it.

<ellioTb> vidd, try pirate bay

<vidd> got a link?

<maxamillion> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13193

<ellioTb> why are psps so expensive too

<ellioTb> maybe i'll get a Wii instead

<maxamillion> ellioTb: yeah, get a wii

<PuMpErNiCkLe> http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/

<cellofel1ow> uh, oh. I need a quick bailout. What's the name of the guy in StarTrek with a small beard?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Riker?

<ellioTb> www.portableapps.com has mac os 7

<vidd> worf

<cellofel1ow> I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

<vidd> riker has a full beard

<maxamillion> PuMpErNiCkLe: os 7 is free?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Yes.

<cellofel1ow> I like portable firefox, at least I did before my USB stick I got for my birthday broke.

<maxamillion> PuMpErNiCkLe: sweet

<cellofel1ow> Mac System 7 (they didn't call it OS till 8) is free-as-in-beer.

<maxamillion> don't know

<maxamillion> but i do know this will be cool to install on qemu at work

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<ellioTb> psp with linux on it would be pimp

<cellofel1ow> what sort of expenxive PDA would that be?

* vidd needs to qemu mac for work....

<vidd> its hard to do troubleshooting for a OS you never SAW...let alone used

<cellofel1ow> qemu is easy once you get the hang of it. Slow, true. If you're adventurous you could install the proprietary kqemu extension.

<maxamillion> vidd: qemu can emulate like 8 different architectures ... the system is amd64 xubuntu, it will just emulate ppc for me :)

<cellofel1ow> I used Mac System 7 from when I was like 4 to about 8, and then Mac OS 8, and then Win98 :(, then Linux!

<vidd> my GF's kid has a psp that just sits around collecting dust

<maxamillion> oh wow ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Os761.png <--- that looks completely usable

<ellioTb> so wii's are like $400

* vidd has a dvd for osX but needs the mac underworkings to upgrade from!

<maxamillion> ellioTb: ooooor $250

<ellioTb> can you find one in the store ever?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Yesterday. ^^

<ellioTb> really?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> The Wiimote kicks ass.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> yeah

<maxamillion> ellioTb: well, if you are patient enough the listing price is $250

<ellioTb> why would people buy em for 400 on ebay then

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Because people are noobs.

<ellioTb> like as we speak

* vidd has to rack out

<vidd> night all

<maxamillion> same reason people will buy vista when winXP does everything vista does accept without the 3d (which most people won't need, can't afford, or don't have the hardware to run it)

<maxamillion> night vidd

<vidd> lol maxc

<maxamillion> but like PuMpErNiCkLe .... people are noobs

<ellioTb> i want one bad

<ellioTb> i got my xubuntu laptop to be a gaming comp finally

<ellioTb> its wrecking quake3 and enemy territory

<maxamillion> yeah? ... in linux?

<ellioTb> yup

<ellioTb> on this very laptop

<maxamillion> sweet

<maxamillion> quake3 on linux? ... i could get into that

<maxamillion> is it free?

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<maxamillion> whoa!!!! quake2 is in the repos

<ellioTb> yup, so is quake3

<ellioTb> not the pak0.pak you need

<maxamillion> oh ... quake2-data is there for 2

<ellioTb> i ended up using the quake3 install from ftp.idsoftware.com

<maxamillion> ah

<ellioTb> cause the ioquake3 in the repos didn't work right for me

<ellioTb> i might check out quake2

<maxamillion> yeah... i think i am going to install quake2

<cellofellow> could I run quake2 on my machine? free?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, its in the repos

<maxamillion> cellofellow: sudo aptitude install quake2 quake2-data

<ellioTb> i think you need the commerical packs

<maxamillion> i am installing now, going to see how it runs

<cellofellow> might try it.

<ellioTb> install quake3, then google for pak0.pak

<maxamillion> errr .. yeah, it doesn't have everything

<ellioTb> same with quake2

<ellioTb> cause its 1.5megs

<pear> you have no conscious

<ellioTb> and the game is prolly several hundred megs

<maxamillion> so ... i have converted to aptitude

<ellioTb> me too

<maxamillion> after 6 years of making fun of it, i have converted

<maxamillion> and i only made fun of it out of elitism

<ellioTb> i dunno why i always use it

<maxamillion> its better

<maxamillion> its slower, but the time is worth it because of the extra dependancy checks

<ellioTb> its slower really?

<maxamillion> and its part of the debian-base so it will always be there

<ellioTb> never noticed

<maxamillion> it probably isn't noticable on fast enough systems .. but technically yes, its slower

<cellofellow> I guess I'll have to pass on Quake2, cause I don't have that much hard drive to spare.

<maxamillion> ok, gotta switch computers ... brb

<ellioTb> cellofellow, plus you have to pirate the commercial data i think

<ellioTb> i found my old quake3 cd, and just copied that stuff over to my linux quake3 dir

<cellofellow> I don't think my video card and CPU are up to Quake 3. 2 might work.

<ellioTb> i get about 65fps in quake3

<ellioTb> enemy territory, which is based on the quake3 engine is a LOT slower

<cellofellow> how much video memory ellioTb ?

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 74.3% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 69.30% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<ellioTb> i think it might share?

<ellioTb> its a laptop

<cellofellow> prolly.

<ellioTb> my main comp is a p4 3.2 with 1gb ram and HAD a 6800GT in it

<ellioTb> but it died

<ellioTb> so its running a gf 5500 now

<ellioTb> so i am down to one gaming comp

<ellioTb> i used to have that card in my other comp which is a p4 2.4ghz w/1gb ram

<cellofellow> Ha. Mine's a TNT2

<ellioTb> wow, the old one?

<maxamillion> so apparently mirrors.kernel.org is down :/

<ellioTb> nice

<ellioTb> what you need

<maxamillion> nvm ... there it goes

<maxamillion> just updating

<ellioTb> updatin what

<maxamillion> tar

<maxamillion> it was the only thing i needed to update

<ellioTb> oh yeah, mine updated too

<ellioTb> you should add the xfce repo, pretty nice

<maxamillion> there's an xfce repo? ... they package weekly builds or something?

<ellioTb> i think, i found it after digging through their site

<ellioTb> i am runnin a newer one that in the ubuntu repo

<maxamillion> meh ... it works for me

<ellioTb> so happy, nikon came out with a new digital SLR

<ellioTb> cause i am about to buy one

<ellioTb> its smaller and a lot cheaper

<cellofellow> I have a pentax film SLR. I want the little *ist D.

<ellioTb> i have a nikon fm10

<ellioTb> was lookin to buy a nikon d80 as my digital slr

<ellioTb> aight, gonna crash out

<maxamillion> i have a canon digital elf :P

<ellioTb> laters cellofellow and maxamillion et al

<maxamillion> elph*

<ellioTb> the d80 i want is $1300

<ellioTb> laterzzz

* ellioTb is away

<cellofellow> I'm looking at my pentax, and it has a removable back, and I wish it was possible to replace it with a digital back.

<cellofellow> oh, well.

* cellofellow is off to bed

<maxamillion> droppin' like flies

<crimsun> well of course; they have lives.

<maxamillion> noobs

<maxamillion> actually i will probably be the same way eventually .... but i'm in college now, no need for a life ... just an education, then a degree, and then money

<maxamillion> .... heh, i believe i am the next fly to drop .... class in 7 hours and i need a little sleep before then

<crimsun> heh.

<crimsun> I used to do that, too.

<crimsun> Now I just get 1-2 hrs sleep and stand up and lecture for 4-5 hrs

<maxamillion> you a prof?

<crimsun> yep

<maxamillion> oh wow, awesome ... what university?

<DARKGuy> Hey! anybody here has a dual monitor setup? I wonder if I can avoid xfdesktop to duplicate icons on both monitors?

<crimsun> nc a&t

<maxamillion> crimsun: awesome ... i'm in my 3rd year of comp sci undergrad at shsu

<Bartman007> Is there any way to configure WPA via a gui in Xubuntu? I would prefer to not have to others how to use wpa_supplicant.conf :-)

<maxamillion> DARKGuy: yeah ... what vid card?

<crimsun> Bartman007: network-manager*

<crimsun> I don't use n-m, though.

<DARKGuy> maxamillion: two, actually: nVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8X 128Mb as left monitor (primary) and Trident 9660 4Mb as right monitor (secondary)

<maxamillion> DARKGuy: oh, that i dunno ... just know how to use twinview with nvidia to get 1 card to do 2 monitors

<maxamillion> crimsun: what you use for wpa?

<DARKGuy> maxamillion: Mine can too, but then I'd need a TV... and I don't have a TV since I got internet XD

<crimsun> maxamillion: wpa_supplicant

<Bartman007> crimsun: and how would network manager be accessed?

* DARKGuy asks in other channels too

<maxamillion> crimsun: ah

<crimsun> Bartman007: probably through the applet (cf. network-manager-gnome)

<crimsun> Bartman007: again, I don't use it.

<maxamillion> crimsun: apt-get or aptitude?

<crimsun> maxamillion: come again?

<maxamillion> crimsun: sorry, i went for short hand .... do you use/prefer apt-get or aptitude?

<crimsun> maxamillion: I use the former

<Bartman007> crimsun: yeah, I see references to it, and have installed the package but can't open it.

<maxamillion> crimsun: any particular reason?

<crimsun> maxamillion: none other than historical comfort

<maxamillion> crimsun: fair enough ... i am in the process of switching from apt-get to aptitude because i have found that i can just interchange the two in the commands i use daily and i like that extra check aptitude does ...

<Bartman007> oooo, yay. got it working finally.

<crimsun> I wouldn't do that. Once you begin using aptitude, only use aptitude.

<maxamillion> crimsun: i am just always curious about others opinions on random stuffs like that

<maxamillion> crimsun: how so?

<crimsun> interchanging usage can lead to Bad Things

<Bartman007> I prefer aptitude because it is a single command for most apt related commands, and logs all transactions performed through it

<crimsun> e.g., removing a package with apt-get can cause aptitude to be very verbose the next time you invoke it

<maxamillion> crimsun: ohhh no no, yes ... i meant i can just interchange by doing "sudo aptitude update" where i used to do "sudo apt-get update" ... i didn't mean randomly use one and then the other

<maxamillion> sorry for the unclarity

<maxamillion> yeah, i would completely move over to aptitude ... i am just working on breaking the 6 year habit of typing apt-get to do everything

<Bartman007> maxamillion: switch to gentoo if you want to break the apt-get habit ;-)

<maxamillion> Bartman007: i used gentoo for 2 weeks, realized i enjoy life at a pace faster than that of a snail

<maxamillion> ok .. i'm outta here ... class at 8am :/

<maxamillion> laters

<Bartman007> helllo hellllo ellllo elllooo.

<Bartman007> welcome back :-)

<Nameless-One> O.O

<Nameless-One> o.O O.O O.o

<Bartman007> /kick Nameless-One o_O

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<Commander-Crowe> hrm

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<papapep> hi, anybody knows why xubuntu loses the network config after every reboot???

<papapep> nobody there??? :-/

<papapep> anybody knows why xubuntu loses the network config after every reboot??? And how to solve it...

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<JasonMcG> do the linux restricted modules have anything to do with wireless internet?

<TheSheep> JasonMcG: yes, some wireless cards need the restricted modules to work

<trintittyee> what does it mean if i have the right ESSID , i have a valid access point, 11 Mb/s bitrate, 81/100 link quality, -43 dBm Signal level, -68 DBm Noise level, and zero excessive retries, and my wireless net still doesn't work?

<trintittyee> i know 11 Mb/s bitrate is slow, but it should still do SOMETHING

<trintittyee> i have a a-g dualband linksys router with a Broadcom 4306 card

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<vidd> !seen Commander-crowe

<ubotu> I last saw Commander-Crowe (n=thomas@dialup-4.246.217.150.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) 3h 38m 20s ago, quiting: "Leaving"

<vidd> good morning MattJ

<MattJ> Good morning vidd :)

<vidd> been a while since i saw ya last...

<vidd> what is the lastest version of your mice?

<vidd> or have you given up on making improvements

<vidd> JasonMcG, you get that wifi to work?

<vidd> ....

<vidd> ill be back later

<papapep> hi....anybody there??? :-)

* irvin whistles

<papapep> wow....one person awake...nice..

<papapep> i wonder if you know something about why xubuntu loses its network setup after every reboot

<papapep> ?

<irvin> i didn't encounter that problem.

<irvin> perhaps if you could provide more info, someone may be able to help

<papapep> ..and you don't have heard about it before, do you?

<papapep> it so stupid as when I setup properly the eth0 ip adress and the default gateway trouth the 'route' command it works correctly

<papapep> and if i reboot the system it is in the same state as before (I mean before setting up the net)

<irvin> is that on dapper or edgy?

<papapep> edgy

<papapep> i haven't found any good reference in the net

<papapep> i've installed a package called netgo, and at least i don't have to make the setup manually in terminal, but it's anoying not to solve it...

<papapep> is there any package in xfce4 to manage network setup?? as gnome or kde has?

<darrend_laptop> does the 2.6.17 kernel in edgy support sata drives?

<icheyne> darrend, it should do, but it depends on your drive

<eXp|Dwark^> hi all, i need help.. :(

<icheyne> go on

<eXp|Dwark^> i´ve installed the new Xubuntu 6.10 and when i try to type in the login screen it just keeps pressen the key 100times.. like USERNAME: "Usssserrrrrrrrrrrrr"

<eXp|Dwark^> but ubuntu 6.06 works fine.. :(

<eXp|Dwark^> i´ve got the same problem when updating ubuntu.. then i wanted to Try Xubuntu cuz it is a old machine,.. but cant get i working.. :(

<icheyne> eXp|Dwark^, try booting into recovery mode

<icheyne> then do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

<icheyne> then make sure your keyboard settings are correct

<icheyne> apart from that I cannot suggest anything

<eXp|Dwark^> hm if i try to make any changes a cant write them to the disk, they it says it is not a valid rootfilesystem or something like that.. :|

<icheyne> hmm did you say you did an upgrade or a new install?

<icheyne> upgrades are a bit dodgy

<eXp|Dwark^> i have tried to upgrade ubuntu to 6.10 then it fucks.. then i tried to download and install Xubuntu 6.10 then it still do the same.. :(

<eXp|Dwark^> but ubuntu 6.06 works fine..

<Chill3r> hey people is this the support are for xubuntu?

<icheyne> yup

<Chill3r> ok here goes

<Chill3r> ive got a little toshiba Portege

<Chill3r> no cd, no floppy and would like to install xbuntu on it

<Chill3r> xubuntu*

<Chill3r> i have a wifi connection and its running windows 98 at the moment

<icheyne> not sure how to do network installs for *buntu

<icheyne> I think Fedora does them

<Chill3r> the bios wont allow me to boot from Network / USB

<icheyne> I have not heard of it as a possibility

<Chill3r> just wondering if i downloaded the image is a way to make the install work from dos

<icheyne> best ask at the forums - that's pretty obscure

<Chill3r> lol

<Chill3r> fair enough dude - cheers anyway :o)

<icheyne> sorry

<Chill3r> thats ok

<TheSheep> !install

<ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues

<Chill3r> already been there dude

<Chill3r> thanks anyway

<Chill3r> just dont want to leae the system trashed/unusable

<TheSheep> Chill3r: there must be some way to boot it :/

<Chill3r> well its got a hard drive and it will boot from floppy - but have no floppy for it

<Chill3r> i thought i could of just done a pxe boot but it wont even allow that

<TheSheep> floppy it is then :)

<Chill3r> didnt really wanna spend anymore money on the thing as its only somthing to mess about on

<Chill3r> umm wonder if i can boot from pcmcia devices

<maxamillion> hello all

<AcidBurn> Switch from Kubuntu to Xubuntu, what the best burner app for audio disks on Xubuntu?

<sensei> k3b

<maxamillion> gnamebaker

<maxamillion> gnomebaker*

<AcidBurn> k3b, that on kde

<maxamillion> AcidBurn: yeah

<AcidBurn> gonebaker? is it good as k3b

<maxamillion> AcidBurn: its nice, but i would suggest going with gnomebaker just because gnome and xfce share the gtk dependancies and will probably run faster

<AcidBurn> good, then gonebaker it is

<maxamillion> AcidBurn: just as good, maybe a little better ... not sure, haven't touched k3b in 3 knoppix versions

<AcidBurn> now, what about a ripper

<maxamillion> AcidBurn: that i don't know ... never really done much music ripping ... lemme poke around real quick