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<TheSheep> spankstar: better try putting larges vsync and hsync rates in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if it helps

<TheSheep> spankstar: try the bios first, and if the option is not here, I will tell you how to change that xorg.conf, ok?

<spankstar> •TheSheep• no luck

<spankstar> stupid script...

<spankstar> what about this xorg.config?

<TheSheep> spankstar: open a terminal (system→Terminal)

<TheSheep> spankstar: and run this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

<TheSheep> spankstar: it will ask you for you password, enter it

<TheSheep> spankstar: then you will be asked a number of configuration questions

<TheSheep> spankstar: accepting defaults should work

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<TheSheep> (take note of the answer to the first one, we will need it)

<TheSheep> near th end, there will be monitor configuration questions

<TheSheep> select 'advanced' configuration there, and enter your monitor's minimum and maximum vertical and horizontal sync ranges

<spankstar> <TheSheep> im at server driver ... and it has a list of a buncha things

<spankstar> i have no idea what to select

<TheSheep> just leave the defaults

<spankstar> im at the "amount of mem to be used by the card

<spankstar> and its a little sliver...

<spankstar> should i make it larger?

<TheSheep> no, it's not a slider, it's a text field, leave it empty

<spankstar> •TheSheep• okay... im at the point where its asking me what modes to use... how do i check boxses that arent che4cked?

<TheSheep> with space

<TheSheep> you move the cursor between fields with tab

<spankstar> •TheSheep• im at advanced

<spankstar> and now it says 28-64

<TheSheep> do you know what the ranges for your monitor are?

<spankstar> noooooope

<TheSheep> (some monitors have them printed on the back)

<spankstar> old monitor

<spankstar> from like 94

<spankstar> •TheSheep• how would it look?

<TheSheep> well, I have:

<TheSheep> #HorizSync 20-80

<TheSheep> #VertRefresh 30-120

<TheSheep> but it doesn't need to work for you

<spankstar> 50/60 hz

<spankstar> 100-120v ac

<spankstar> ?

<TheSheep> no

<TheSheep> that's power source :)

<TheSheep> spankstar: what model and make is the monitor?

<spankstar> model number 1020 pakard bell

<TheSheep> Identifier "Packard Bell - Right"

<TheSheep> HorizSync 31-48

<TheSheep> VertRefresh 50-90

<spankstar> werd

<spankstar> so i cahnge the 28-64 to 31-48?

<TheSheep> might be a different model though :/

* TheSheep googles some more

<TheSheep> no, that's it

<TheSheep> yes, change it

<spankstar> i did it a;; and im back at terminal

<spankstar> should i restart?

<spankstar> cuase nothing happend

<TheSheep> press alt+ctrl+backspace, that will restart X

<TheSheep> just in case it won't start -- the cli irc client is called 'irssi' :)

<spankstar> all i do is type irssi inthe terminal

<TheSheep> it might be not installed -- in that case you need to install it with 'sudo apt-get install irssi'

<spankstar> werd

<TheSheep> ah, and inside irssi you type '/connect irc.freenode.org' and then '/join #xubuntu'

<spankstar> (while its rebboting)

<spankstar> some chick gave me a server whilst all drunk

<spankstar> on the terms i could carry it out of her house

<spankstar> 2450mhz proc. 5hds totaling 100gb and 320mb of ram

<spankstar> 240

<spankstar> not 2450

<spankstar> ;p;

<TheSheep> preety decent, especially if the hdds are not ide

<ellioTb> 5 hds? wow

<TheSheep> must be noisy :)

<spankstar> •TheSheep• dude...

<spankstar> still large

<spankstar> no other options in the display

<TheSheep> then it might be all this card/monitor can handle

<spankstar> under default... highest is 640x384

<spankstar> fudge

<TheSheep> who needs X on a server anyways?

<TheSheep> spankstar: you can make the virtual screen larger, then it will be scrolled

<spankstar> alright forget that... how do i see what my hds are doing

<spankstar> and if they still have stuff on them

<TheSheep> well, gparted will show you the partitions

<spankstar> say.... browse theose suckers

<Jester45> new topic

<TheSheep> and I think it will also let you mount them to browse

<TheSheep> Jester45: I like it better ;)

<Jester45> to short

<TheSheep> small is beautiful

<Jester45> how do you mount a folder like its a disc

<spankstar> •TheSheep• how do i see this gparted

<TheSheep> Jester45: you don't

<Jester45> yes you caN

<TheSheep> spankstar: system → partition editor

<TheSheep> spankstar: should be there

<TheSheep> Jester45: directory -- no, you can mount a file

<sponix> anyone in here use urar often ?

<TheSheep> Jester45: or I'm seriously incompetent in this matter and you shoudn't ask me anything anyways :P

<TheSheep> sponix: I use xarchiver

<Jester45> sponix: I DO

<TheSheep> sponix: if it's not there, then do 'sudo apt-get install gparted'

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<oemspankstar> wooot

<TheSheep> sponix: oops, sorry, that was for spankstar

<TheSheep> ok, I think it's time for bed for me

<TheSheep> goodnight, enjoy your xubuntu

<sponix> Jester45: I have a bunch of files for this movie pirates.hddvd1.rar pirates.hddvd1.r00 pirates.hddvd1.r01 and so forth how do I extract them into their main iso image ?

<Jester45> sponix: go into a terminal type unrar e

<Jester45> sponix: then drag the .r00 file

<Jester45> or maybe the .rar file

<sponix> drag ?

<spankstar> sud111111

<Jester45> drag and drop

<spankstar> hahahah

<Jester45> left click and hold it down

<Jester45> move the mouse over the terminal

<sponix> drag/drop into what the terminal ?

<Jester45> the file with .rar or .r00 at the end

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> the terminal

<Jester45> should look like

<Jester45> unrar e /path/to/file

<sponix> I see, so similar to an unrar e *.r??

<spankstar> •TheSheep• hmmm.... its says i only have one 24gb drive...?

<spankstar> but i i should have a bunch others

<Jester45> sponix: yes if there is a .rar file put that one

<spankstar> omg now i cant see the windows ive minimized, or where i just downloaded something

<Jester45> can you see the panels?

<Jester45> the 2 white bars

<spankstar> yeah

<Jester45> did you change desktops?

<spankstar> im sure i did something

<spankstar> all i saw was the four little boxes move to the left, and now i cant see when a window is minimized

<Jester45> press alt + ctrl + left arrow

<spankstar> nope

<Jester45> press it again

<Jester45> and again

<Jester45> now try it with right nottheleft

<Jester45> not the left*

<spankstar> nothing

<spankstar> damnit

<Jester45> press crtl alt right a few times

<Jester45> it changes the desktop

<spankstar> •Jester45• so inst4ead of minmizzing i should trl alt rightarrow?

<Jester45> yes try that

<Jester45> and to go back use left

<spankstar> okay... now how do i make it save stuff on my desktop?

<spankstar> i went to download somethingh.... and after i selected save to disc, it went away...

<spankstar> nvm

<spankstar> •TheSheep• how do i run a script?

<spankstar> its in a folder on my desktop

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<Jester45> double click it

<Jester45> or

<Jester45> bettr yet

<Jester45> sh /path/o/script

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<luckyone> hello all

<Jester45> hi

<luckyone> I just got my new Dell bluetooth keyboard and mouse

<Jester45> cool

<luckyone> it is really sweet, but I wan to be able to use the multimedia controls for it, does anyone know how to do that?

<Jester45> yes

<luckyone> really, how do I do that?

<Jester45> um

<Jester45> not right now

<Jester45> i will help in 5 minutes

<luckyone> sounds good

<luckyone> :)

<luckyone> thanks

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<Jester45> rag stop

<Jester45> im here

<Jester45> i was GET A GAME TO WORK RIGHT

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<Jester45> luckyone: type xev in a terminal

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<Jester45> dont move your mouse or press you keyboard after pressing enter

<luckyone> k, one sec

<Jester45> k

<luckyone> then what?

<luckyone> pops up a white screen

<Jester45> ok

<luckyone> with a box in it

<Jester45> move the mouse to the x on it

<Jester45> to close it

<Jester45> but dont close it

<Jester45> press a media button

<Jester45> then click the mouse to close

<luckyone> ok

<luckyone> so it has the keycode listed

<luckyone> is that what I will need to use?

<luckyone> map the keycode to some sort of action?

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> remeber it

<luckyone> how do I do that?

<luckyone> I can still see it on the screen

<Jester45> k

<Jester45> open mousepad

<luckyone> yup

<Jester45> type

<luckyone> it types fine

<Jester45> keycode ### =f13

<Jester45> =F13

<Jester45> the ### is the keycode

<luckyone> right

<Jester45> and keep useing xev

<Jester45> and typing it in

<luckyone> can I put comments in this file so I don't forget which key is which?

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> just

<luckyone> thanks for this explaination, very easy to follow

<Jester45> put

<Jester45> wait

<Jester45> just put =F13

<Jester45> on the next put 14

<Jester45> and keep going

<luckyone> right

<Jester45> when your done

<luckyone> for all of the media keys

<Jester45> save to your /home/user

<Jester45> directory

<luckyone> ok

<Jester45> save as .Xmodmap

<luckyone> .Xmodmap

<Jester45> needs to be a X not x

<luckyone> k

<Jester45> and then use the keyboard short maker

<luckyone> right

<luckyone> in settings

<luckyone> how do I add shortcuts for like volume up?

<Jester45> xfcemenu ->settings-> keyboards

<Jester45> just a second

<luckyone> you are a goldmine of information!

<Jester45> no im not

<Jester45> the command for volume up is

<luckyone> rest assured I will pass this on to 3 more people and the entire world will be smarter

<Jester45> amixer -c0 set Analog Front' 5%+

<Jester45> you can change the 5 tp anything

<luckyone> man

<Jester45> it adds that % to the one it at now

<Jester45> and change the 5%+ to 5%- to lower

<Jester45> if it doesnt work come baxck

<luckyone> rigth

<Jester45> you have to change the 'anaglog front' to somthing that works for your card

<spankstar> •Jester45•

<luckyone> like master

<Jester45> spankstar: yes

<luckyone> in the shortcuts, I can just put like F20, or whatever?

<Jester45> well

<Jester45> the Xmodmap

<luckyone> and will I need to restart X?

<Jester45> makes th keycode mean F**

<luckyone> yes

<Jester45> somy keycode for 206 =F20

<Jester45> when i press the key for 206

<Jester45> it makes xubuntu think F20

<luckyone> so for the key press put F20

<luckyone> cool

<Jester45> so you really just addes more F buttons

<luckyone> love it

<Jester45> so.. when you makes th shortcut and it ask me what is teh button for next i press the F20 button

<Jester45> i have well.. i total of about 180 keys :)

<Jester45> much shortcuts

<Jester45> i got a wires keyboard in my wall for video controls

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<Zeqfreed> i got OpenArena flying on my xubuntu :)

<Zeqfreed> this evening i'm gonna test it in a real fight, hehe :)

<Jester45> cool

<luckyone> how do you do comments in .Xmodmap?

<luckyone> I want to remember what these keys are... there are a lot of them!

<Jester45> after the =F** #thiskeyisthis

<Jester45> i got cube2 running at 280 fps

<Jester45> cheers for me

<Zeqfreed> what's cube2? :)

<Jester45> FPS game

<Zeqfreed> do you run it in emulator?

<Jester45> nope

<Jester45> natve to linux

<Jester45> shearch google for cube engine

<Zeqfreed> ok :)

<Jester45> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

<Jester45> my udp is firewalled

<Jester45> well

<Jester45> brb

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<Commander-Crowe> I'm actually bored now

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<Jester45> i am here

<Jester45> dont worrie

<Jester45> brb again

<luckyone> Jester45: how do I type in the shortcut field using Keyboard Preferences?

<Jester45> it should ask you for the command

<Jester45> then as what is the shortcut

<Jester45> when it ask you for that

<Jester45> just press the key

<luckyone> yeah, that didn't work

<Zeqfreed> double-click the shortcut field to change it

<luckyone> it didn't put anything in the shortcut section...

<luckyone> cool, working~

<Zeqfreed> what is the file where all aplications from inside the applications menu are listed?

<Zeqfreed> i forgot again :)

<luckyone> menu.xml

<Zeqfreed> nope

<Zeqfreed> there is everything except what i need :)

<Zeqfreed> there is some folder like desktop or something in which there are lots of files each describing a particular application

<Zeqfreed> oh

<Zeqfreed> it seems i found it

<Zeqfreed> it is /usr/share/applications

* Jester45 wishes he knew java better

<luckyone> I seem to not have sound anymore...

<luckyone> can someone help me?

<luckyone> when I type amixer, front left and right say [off]

<luckyone> but they are at 100%

<luckyone> I would like them on I think

<luckyone> Jester45: are you there?

<luckyone> I need to have sound to watch TV, my wife will kill me!

<luckyone> hello?

<JKnife> HI!

<luckyone> I hosed my sound somehow

<luckyone> my wife is about to kill me

<JKnife> umm..

* JKnife doesn't have a sound card

<JKnife> sorry

<s|k> heh anyone know how to adjust screensaver and screen turn off stuff?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> There's a menu item in preferences for it.

<s|k> hrm I don't see it

<PuMpErNiCkLe> hm

<s|k> oh I found something

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Does this 'something' work?

<s|k> it's the screensaver preferences, I just have to figure out if I can get them to turn on

<s|k> my screen just usually goes black after a few minutes

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That may be a power-saving feature of the screen itself.

<odat> anyone here with a windows machine?

<odat> need some help

<s|k> I am on both odat

<odat> s|k i have been trying to get this windows program i need to use in order to create a PAD.xml file and it just won't save so i need someone to get a program for me and take my data files and create and xml for me

<cellofellow> hi

<JKnife> HI!

<odat> able to help

<cellofellow> ?

<odat> s|k?

<odat> i need someone with a windows machine

* JKnife slaps odat

<JKnife> BAD!

<cellofellow> odat: what sort of windows?

<odat> any kind of windows that can run PADManager

<cellofellow> 98 here, via VNC.

<cellofellow> what's PADManager?

<JKnife> odat: will it not run in wine?

<odat> JKnife, it won't export

<JKnife> crossover offive? vmware?

<JKnife> office*

<odat> crossover take over you linux box too much

<odat> i stick with wine

<cellofellow> sorry, had to do dishes.

<s|k> odat: sorry

<s|k> so you what did you need?

<s|k> I'm all ears

<odat> s|k i need some to download PADManager and take my data files and create an xml for me

<s|k> hrm

<s|k> padmanager?

<s|k> something I have to install?

<odat> http://padmanager.org/

<odat> its simply a program that creats a PAD file that software libraries use to collect the information about the software your submitting

<s|k> oooh I like it

<s|k> ok sure

<cellofellow> odat: downloading now. :)

<s|k> lol

<cellofellow> s|k: you too?

<s|k> yeah

<cellofellow> it's a race!

<s|k> already installed it

<cellofellow> :(

<s|k> lol

<s|k> what's it do?

<cellofellow> oh, well.

* cellofellow is standing by if needed.

<s|k> god this pad stuff is too much for me

<s|k> hrm why don't they have a schema

<s|k> they have a specification

<s|k> they should make that a schema

<cellofellow> ah! VNC crashed.

<JKnife> cellofellow: you fail!

<s|k> odat why does it want to connect to something?

<odat> not sure'

<cellofellow> says stack overflow and it hung the Win98 PC. Hmph.

<cellofellow> Yup I fail. Or Windoze fail. Either way I'm no worse for the wear.

<s|k> ugh shareware

<s|k> :(

<cellofellow> There aren't enough little useful OSS utilities for Windows. I've my share of Freeware/Shareware/Crippleware on windows.

<s|k> I hate shareware

<cellofellow> Not a drop of it on Linux :)

* JKnife hands cellofellow the binary nvidia drivers <insert evil laugh>

<cellofellow> oh

<somerville32> :)

<cello_rasp> hi all.

<somerville32> Hi cellow :)

<cello_rasp> how i add favourite locations to the side pane in Thunar?

<cello_rasp> anyone know?

<somerville32> Yup

<somerville32> Right click folder and click "Add to shortcuts"

<somerville32> or something like that

<cello_rasp> dang. it's under 'send to' .... 'send to' is one of the menu items my brain glosses over since it is always so misused

<somerville32> Are you using Edgy?

<cello_rasp> yeah

<somerville32> That seems like a usability bug to me

<cello_rasp> 'send to' menu? i would agree since drag and drop does that and is so much less messy

<cello_rasp> not really very good to have one context menu for every program, location, or online service you can think of

<cello_rasp> anyway thanks and good night

<maxamillion> hello all

<somerville32> :

<somerville32> D

<somerville32> :D

<maxamillion> my face hurts ... but the swelling has gone down :)

<somerville32> :D

<maxamillion> how are things?

<s|k> hi

<s|k> if I change the hardware on my pc signficanly

<s|k> like the cpu

<s|k> and the motherboard

<s|k> will linux still work as if nothing had changed if it's all supported hardware?

<somerville32> max, great :)

<somerville32> s|k: Ubuntu should hopefully reconfigure it's self :)

<somerville32> However, you might run into problems if you change your video card

<s|k> oh I changed that already

<s|k> that wasn't so bad

<s|k> I had to rconfigure xorg

<maxamillion> s|k: it _should_ still function because of the way the 6.10 kernel loads modules ... but it will depend on what hardware is changed and how well it is supported

<maxamillion> blargh! .. brb, dog needs to go out

<s|k> I just want a better cpu & motherboard and cheaper ram

<s|k> pc133 is so expensive

<s|k> heh

<s|k> thanks maxamillion & somerville32

<maxamillion> s|k: np

* maxamillion is back btw

<cellofellow> I am back now. :)

<cellofellow> Anyone here know anything about WINE?

<cellofellow> anyone listening?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> You should know the 'anyone' factoid by now. :p

<cellofellow> !anyone

<ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?

<cellofellow> Oh, well. :$

<cellofellow> I just want some basic WINE advice. Never tried it before.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: sorry, my wifi dropped

<maxamillion> cellofellow: what's up?

<cellofellow> :)

<kalikiana> hi there :)

<kalikiana> wine is cool - but it goes bad with alsa

<cellofellow> I have an education game for Windows that only works on my mom's work lappy cause it needs sound and windows.

<cellofellow> I want to try it on my computer. It doesn't work on the kids computer, its sound is shot.

<maxamillion> wine is cool, but before you attempt to run an application with it ... check www.winehq.com about it so you're not worried when it starts freakin out

<cellofellow> ok. I don't think my program's in the database.

<kalikiana> just try it anyway

<cellofellow> ok

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah ... then i dunno .. just give it a shot and see how it goes

<kalikiana> most apps will work fine

<cellofellow> what packages do I need?

<kalikiana> as i said specific sound issues may annoy and tray icons are bad

<kalikiana> i have only wine installed i think

<cellofellow> no tray icons.

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> so, just wine and I'm good?

<kalikiana> i think so

<cellofellow> Any gui config apps available?

<kalikiana> winecfg, should be included

<cellofellow> ok

<maxamillion> cellofellow: shouldn't need to config, but i think there is one ... forget the na... yeah, thats it

<cellofellow> Yeah, my app isn't in the DB.

<maxamillion> wow ... interesting info on linux vs. windows at the kernel level ... http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Comparison%20Linux%20vs%20Windows

<somerville32> cellofellow: I have wiki work for you, haha

<cellofellow> I'll test it out and add it to the DB. How's that?

<cellofellow> somerville32: well, ok. I'm busy tomorow. always busy mondays.

<cellofellow> :)

* cellofellow also is supposed to be asleep

<kalikiana> sleep? at 6:14 already? nah... :P

<maxamillion> somerville32: is there anything that i will miss by just reading the minutes and not reading the log? ... my eyes hurt :P

<somerville32> I doubt it :]

<maxamillion> somerville32: been reading the log for about and hour and realized how much more i had to go

<cellofellow> kalikiana: it's 10:15PM MST here.

<maxamillion> awesome :)

<kalikiana> cellofellow: did ya get the package?

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<cellofellow> huh, connection glitch

<kalikiana> cellofellow: did ya get the package?

<cellofellow> just finished

<cellofellow> now put in the install CD?

<adw> Hi guys - I've been trying to clean stuff off of the system that I don't want or need, and I removed gdm. Now when I attempt to run synaptic from the xfce menu, I'm getting an error -

<adw> "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic" as user root. Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file."

<adw> Does this have something to do with the xubuntu-desktop package being removed along with gdm?

<adw> It works perfectly fine from a terminal.

<cellofellow> Do I have to mount the CD? And manually run the install program?

<maxamillion> adw: it is possible, but in theory it shouldn't because xubuntu-desktop is just a meta package

<adw> maxamillion: have you seen that particular error before

<rockinchado> does anyone know why my alt+tab stops working when i use xmodmap to switch layouts

<maxamillion> adw: no, don't user synaptic

<cellofellow> kalikiana: so, I should be able to just double-click the .exe file an run it?

<adw> Well, it's actually happening with other programs too, like "Software sources" (/usr/bin/software-properties)

* cellofellow says use aptitude

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i would right click it and "run with" and type in "wine"

<kalikiana> cellofellow: naturally you must mount the cd and just 'open with' wine if you like :)

<cellofellow> error: Failed to load application from file /home/josh/.local/share/applications//wine-usercreated.desktop.

<maxamillion> -.-

<maxamillion> i dunno

<cellofellow> there is no command called wine. huh.

<cellofellow> it isn't installed, weird.

<cellofellow> apt downloaded, but didn't install it. odd.

<maxamillion> ???

<maxamillion> never seen that happen

<kalikiana> maybe you selected 'no' ;)

<cellofellow> wait, it never finished downloading. I guess my connection glitch affected more than just IRC.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: that would explain it ;)

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> oops

<cellofellow> somerville32: what's the nature of the Wiki assignments?

<somerville32> Renaming pages, haha

<cellofellow> Ok. That would have to wait a little.

<cellofellow> Are there any Xubuntu pages that wouldn't have shown in the search I made the list from?

<cellofellow> wine exists now. :)

<maxamillion> somerville32: anything from the meeting that might need some help?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yey!

<cellofellow> and it seems to be working!

<somerville32> Cellofellow: Yup

<somerville32> Exclusively

<cellofellow> ? huh? what's that supposed to meen?

* kalikiana cheers for cellofellow

<cellofellow> will WINE install the program just for me? Is it possible to install for the whole system?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: you might be able to if you configure wine to have its own directory in / and run the installer as root ... but don't quote me on that, i don't know for sure

<cellofellow> k. It would just seem really redundant to install 5 times in 5 home dirs.

<cellofellow> huh, it quit. :(

<maxamillion> yeah, it really would ...

<maxamillion> cellofellow: maybe there's something about installing globally with wine on their site? or possibly a community wiki?

<maxamillion> google is your friend :)

<kalikiana> you can define a prefix where it should run an app from

<cellofellow> OK. I'll try that later, after I get a normal install working.

<maxamillion> yeah, guess it would be good to make sure the application works before going through the effort of getting it to run for everyone

<cellofellow> this thing just doesn't want to work. :(

<cellofellow> installsheild engine crashing. :(

<cellofellow> I have no idea. Linux installation is so much simpler I'd forgotten how cranky windows is.

<maxamillion> yeah, sounds like something wine would freak out about

<maxamillion> hello Cozomo

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah ... i really take apt-get/dpkg for granted

<Cozomo> cd maxamillion

<cellofellow> I wonder, could I install on a windows machine and then copy the files over here.

<Cozomo> I mean, hey

<maxamillion> cellofellow: you could give it a shot

<maxamillion> Cozomo: lol, how goes it?

<cellofellow> gee, Windows apps pretend to be in one place but usually spread little tentacles all over.

<Cozomo> I have a problem with my kyocera finecam, dont know how to find it with edgy

<Cozomo> need to upload some pictures

<cellofellow> you have a memory card reader Cozomo?

<Cozomo> cellofellow: I'm using a usb cable

<Cozomo> cellofellow: and no, I dont

<cellofellow> oh, ok. I don't know what to do then. :/

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yes .... yes they do ... hence the need to defragment hard drives (which is a concept i will never understand why someone stood up in a meeting and said "this is a great idea, lets include it in the operating system we have thrown billions at")

<cellofellow> :)

<Cozomo> anyone know how I'd go about getting those pictures from a drive I dont know how to find?

<kalikiana> max: in fact windows filesystems are crappy and not even ntfs is worth any comparision to unix fs :/ too dumb that i still have a large, slow ntfs partition

<maxamillion> Cozomo: install gthumb and just import directly from the camera

<cellofellow> Cozomo: try doing ls -l /dev/sd* before plugging in, and then after.

<cellofellow> kalikiana: no NTFS here. :)

<maxamillion> kalikiana: lol, that's another thing i thought was interesting ... google and traverse the entire internet in under 2 seconds and windows can't traverse a 40gb hdd in under 2 minutes

<cellofellow> LINUX RULES!

<maxamillion> google can*

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yes, yes it does

<kalikiana> stupid ntfs takes 10 minutes to extract a 50m archive

<maxamillion> Cozomo: gthumb (iirc) has a nice built in feature that will just autodetect the camera if you have it pluged and in do file->import (or something like that)

<cellofellow> our Win98 PC has VFAT, and it is so slow and can't even defrag now it's so fragged.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i think you win98 has fat32 .....

<cellofellow> I said vfat, meant fat32. aren't they the same?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i think VFAT is just a virtual filesystem that *nix uses to interfact with fat type filesystems

<cellofellow> oh

<maxamillion> interface*

<maxamillion> but i could be _very_ wrong about that ...

<maxamillion> lets google

<maxamillion> cellofellow: http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/vfat.html :)

<cellofellow> how do I kill a stubborn defunct process that deoesn't respond to kill?

<maxamillion> i was right-ish

<maxamillion> cellofellow: sudo kill ?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Zombie processes don't respond to kill.

<cellofellow> I own the process. :/

<cellofellow> PuMpErNiCkLe: what do they need?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> They aren't a process, really.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> They'll get cleaned up eventually.

<cellofellow> ok

<maxamillion> oh ... huh, didn't know that

<Cozomo> maxamillion: gthumb doesnt detect kyoceras

<cellofellow> btw, what's the diff between a kill and a term(inate)?

<maxamillion> Cozomo: oh ... :( didn't know that

<Cozomo> however

<Cozomo> I can mount it apparently

<Cozomo> I just need to be able to specify the correct fs

<cellofellow> try fat32(aka vfat)

<maxamillion> cellofellow: don't know for sure .... i think terminate calls the processes' "quit" function and kill just straight says "you're done because i said so"

<cellofellow> sounds like that's what it's supposed to meen.

<Cozomo> mount: /dev/sdb: can't read superblock

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That's pretty much it.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> term is a catchable kill.

<cellofellow> ooh. can't read superblock? that not good.

<cellofellow> I normally see that in bad floppies.

<maxamillion> or broken hard drives

<kalikiana> i'm off now --> sleep

<kalikiana> cya

<PuMpErNiCkLe> peace

<maxamillion> laters

<Cozomo> nah man

<Cozomo> its not broken

<Cozomo> I can read it on other computers

<cellofellow> linux can't read it though. :(

<cellofellow> Something with the camera, I guess.

<Cozomo> other linuxes can

<maxamillion> or maybe it just isn't being gone about correctly ...

<cellofellow> Huh.

<cellofellow> good point.

* cellofellow backs off with his foot in his mouth.

<maxamillion> Cozomo: and there's the kicker ... what'd you use to read it with other linux?

<maxamillion> <3 cellofellow

<Cozomo> maxamillion: konqueror

<cellofellow> what distro?

<Cozomo> on vector linux SOHO 5.1

<JKnife> adam on THIS LATE?!?!?!

<maxamillion> JKnife: i know ... i know ...

<maxamillion> JKnife: i have been without internet for so long i had to get online

<JKnife> XD

<JKnife> http://www.rotfflol.com/?id=519 <-- so funny

<maxamillion> JKnife: i was out of commission recovering from surgery ... i'm still in pain, but less swelling :)

<JKnife> o.O for what?

<maxamillion> JKnife: just had to get my wisdom teeth removed ... not biggy

<JKnife> ohh

<cellofellow> maxamillion: still hurts?

<JKnife> =/ mine are comming in now

<maxamillion> but it was still surgery and it sucked

<JKnife> no pain though

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah ...

<JKnife> i might be a lucky on

<JKnife> one*

<cellofellow> huh, they make you take em out before going on a mormon mission.

<maxamillion> JKnife: it will hurt eventually ... took mine two and a half years to start hurting

<maxamillion> cellofellow: lol

<JKnife> =\ it is just now poking through the skin

<JKnife> OK someone fix this freaking topic!

<maxamillion> Cozomo: ok, well ... hrmmm... that's strange

<cellofellow> maxamillion: well, at least you didn't get chicken pox inside the holes. My cousin was telling me about her freind who got that.

<maxamillion> JKnife: who has the authority to?

<JKnife> maxamillion: channel ops

<JKnife> they changed it =\

<maxamillion> cellofellow: eww, that must suck

<JKnife> OMG cellofellow this is a family room

<JKnife> ohh =\ i droped slackware ^_^

<cellofellow> And this was over thanksgiving the story came up. :), after dinner of course.

<JKnife> i think i am gonna stay with this one

<JKnife> cellofellow: at least not during dinner

<Cozomo> /me cwies

<maxamillion> JKnife: lol, what distro you running today?

<JKnife> Open again

<cellofellow> JKnife: still using OpenBSD?

<cellofellow> oops

<JKnife> -_-

<JKnife> a little slow

<cellofellow> You still have Xubuntu lying around or you just like this channel?

<JKnife> cellofellow: cd is here somewhere ^_^

<JKnife> and what would this channel be with out me?

<cellofellow> good point

<cellofellow> :)

<JKnife> :)

<maxamillion> JKnife: oh, so i know all about BSD now ... i read this really good article about the differences between linux and bsd and i realized i'm not a linux or a bsd user ... i'm a debian user (whereas xubuntu is 'a' debian) because i don't really care what kernel it is as long as the system functions the way i expect it to (which it does in the debian freebsd-kernel port)

<DARKGuy> yeah ^^

<cellofellow> maxamillion: long sentence

<maxamillion> JKnife just loves us ... he would be sad without us :)

<JKnife> :0

<cellofellow> :) sometimes I think I annoy him.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i was never good with punctuation ... i write code, not novels

<cellofellow> :)

<maxamillion> i would be sad without the xubuntu community :) ... ever since i jumped in i have never wanted to leave

<cellofellow> I knew there were alternative kernels for debian, but I didn't realize that was such a big part of Debian's identity.

<JKnife> i just wish OpenBSD was not such a pain to install..

<JKnife> maxamillion: you have a link to that article?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: oh yeah, debian is an operating system ... linux is just the current dominant kernel

* cellofellow wonders what PCBSD is like.

<JKnife> cellofellow: kde

<cellofellow> JKnife: you tried it?

<JKnife> no =\

<maxamillion> JKnife: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php

<cellofellow> oh, just asking.

* JKnife dislikes FreeBSD 5+ based stuff

<maxamillion> JKnife: its long, but very informative

<JKnife> cellofellow: debian also has a hurd kernel

<cellofellow> JKnife: including mac?

<cellofellow> I know, FBSD, Hurd, NetBSD, Linux.

<JKnife> cellofellow: OS X dumps stuff down more then Windows

<maxamillion> http://www.debian.org/ports/ <--all ports currently part of debian

<JKnife> =\ it would really be the OpenBSD kernel... well that is a debate

<JKnife> maxamillion: they WERE gonna port it to the NT kerenl but that died XD

<cellofellow> I only used it a few hours total. On Uncle's iMac. Thought the Docker was cool.

<cellofellow> port MacOSX?

<cellofellow> oh, Debian

* cellofellow puts foot in mouth again.

<cellofellow> and laughs

<Cozomo> so uhm

<Cozomo> okay.

<cellofellow> oh, yeah, your camera.

<cellofellow> does it have a memory card? If it does, I say get a $15 card reader and forget about your problems.

<maxamillion> i have been interested in trying out the debian port to the opensolaris kernel ... nexenta i think its called ... but i am going to wait for a stable release

<maxamillion> Cozomo: what is the make/model?

<cellofellow> Debian on OpenSolaris? Does that violate GPL? Solaris is CDDL.

<JKnife> cellofellow: "Unix-the-trademark is a trademark of The Open Group, and Unix-the-code is owned by SCO, so one can't actually say that the BSDs are really Unix" <-- see i am not the only one XD

<Cozomo> maxamillion: kyocera finecar S5R

<maxamillion> cellofellow: well, its actually an unofficial side project, so it might violate something and nobody has said anything yet ...

<maxamillion> Cozomo: ok, lemme check a couple things

<Cozomo> cellofellow: it has a memory card

<cellofellow> JKnife: hey, but the BSD's have code from the original AT&T source tree, while Linux is a clone.

<cellofellow> JKnife: so that's why BSD's are UNIX and Linux is just a clone.

<cellofellow> And besides, who cares what SCO says.

<maxamillion> Cozomo: http://users.dslextreme.com/~craig.lawson/linux_notes/camera.html

<maxamillion> cellofellow: only SCO cares

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> :p

<cellofellow> Another thought: Didn't SCO sue on patents, not actual (C) copyrighted code? Violating a (C) meens a straight copy/paste theft, while patent is somewhat more vague.

<maxamillion> not sure ... didn't care all that much because linus couldn't have filed it under the gnu gpl if it had violated any of that in the first place

<cellofellow> Also, if SCO owns UNIX, were does that leave non-linux UNIX's like AIX, Solaris, and Mac OSX?

<Cozomo> maxamillion: I read the guide and my lsusb -v output was different, instead of having the binterfaceclass as mass storage, it was hub, and the bsubinterfaceclass was unused

<JKnife> while i go out for a smoke read this http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/25/chilean-mapuche-indians-suing-microsoft/

<maxamillion> cellofellow: well, there is a long line of UNIX history that grants them legal copies of their variations

<cellofellow> ok

<DARKGuy> Random question and sorry for bothering your interesting conversation ^^;;... if I'd want to record a video of my desktop (to avi, wmv, flash, anything-actually-reproduce-able) what would I use in Xubuntu? ^^;

<cellofellow> there's something in the Wiki, involves VNC.

<maxamillion> yeah ... there is also something to make screencasts, i would use google and search "linux+screencast+create" ... should turn up positive

<maxamillion> i've never personally done it, so i don't know

<DARKGuy> Aaaalright, I shall search :)

<DARKGuy> oO I once used a program named Istanbul for doing that, but it was a pain to install and sometimes the videos didn't come out right :(

<Cozomo> meh

<DARKGuy> So that's why my question =P

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ScreencastHowto

<DARKGuy> Ohhh nice!

<DARKGuy> thanks a lot :D!

<cellofellow> No guarentees haven't tried it.

<DARKGuy> Well, at least it's a different method :P

<JKnife> ok i am back

<JKnife> that artical was sad wasn't it?

<cellofellow> That Chilean indians thing is odd.

<maxamillion> yeah, whatever ... they are dumb.... that is probably the only case where i will take microsoft's side

<cellofellow> Indians do weird things sometimes.

<cellofellow> JKnife: so what was the point of showing us that?

<JKnife> we were talking about copyright and sueing right? i was showing yall how bad it is getting

<cellofellow> Did Cozomo give up?

<cellofellow> Oh, ok. THat makes sense now.

<maxamillion> he either gave up or the link i gave him worked

<cellofellow> Hope it was the latter

<maxamillion> me too ... would prove to be a better day for him

<cellofellow> I think either wine isn't all it's cracked up to be, or my CD-ROM is screwed or something. I can't even get Office 97 to install.

<DARKGuy> is it supported in WINE? :/

<maxamillion> don't think so

<maxamillion> could be wrong

<DARKGuy> there are screenshots, but then again, it's from the developers

<JKnife> cellofellow: =\ i have installed Office XP in wine before

<cellofellow> I think so. I think even Office 2003 is supported. Maybe that's CrossOver Office thouth.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: get the newer version of wine from their repos ... the version in ubuntu repos is 6 months old

<DARKGuy> Hell, I can't even get Diablo II to install oO

<DARKGuy> 0.9.25 is the latest

<cellofellow> I don't REALLY need it, but it sure would be nice.

<DARKGuy> and tasty updates for 0.9.26 as they say ^^;

<maxamillion> i'm on my iBook right now ... so wine isn't really a concern

<maxamillion> Linux iPseudogen 2.6.17-10-powerpc #2 Fri Oct 13 16:37:41 UTC 2006 ppc GNU/Linux

<maxamillion> :)

<cellofellow> I have 0.9.22 here. Don't see why it should balk though, it's Office 97, just to see if it will work.

<maxamillion> mmmm Xubuntu goodness on ppc ... makes me smile

<DARKGuy> I *think* you need to have DCOM, and some native libraries and all that heck

<DARKGuy> isn't there a howto in the WINE site? o.o;

<maxamillion> www.winehq.com ... probably

<DARKGuy> http://appdb.winehq.org

<cellofellow> ok

<maxamillion> oh .. rgr

<DARKGuy> :P

<DARKGuy> Man

<DARKGuy> nothing oO

<maxamillion> :(

<DARKGuy> FIFA 97 (wtf), StarOffice, STI Office and ETax :/

<maxamillion> 16% battery left :(

<DARKGuy> aw

<cellofellow> Just Word found Microsoft Office

<cellofellow> I hate old batteries on lappys. My mom's is about 2 mins.

<maxamillion> mine gets about 3 and a half hours and its almost 3 years old

<DARKGuy> xD

<cellofellow> hers is about 6 and was used plugged in most of the time anyway.

<maxamillion> but its an apple, a real apple ... before all this intel take over crap ... so its expected :)

<cellofellow> You really can't get PPC Apples anymore? I thought they would rebrand stuff so iMac was Intel (i for intel) and PowerMac was PowerPC.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: nope ... complete intel switch ... which from a business point makes sense ... cheaper to produce and they run faster, but i just like powerpc by design

<cellofellow> Me too. :) I guess Power has been relegated to PS3 and IBM servers.

<maxamillion> and the Xbox360 ;)

<cellofellow> XBox 360 is a PPC or Power or Cell?

<maxamillion> i think the wii might have one too ... i know the gamecube did

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Xbox is Xenon, a 3core PPC variant.

<cellofellow> XBox was a Celeron.

<maxamillion> Xbox360 is a PowerPC if i remember

<PuMpErNiCkLe> By Xbox, I mean the 360, ofc.

<cellofellow> Since when did M$ make code for non-Intel archs?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Since forever, basically.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> NT was designed to work on anything.

<cellofellow> oh. I thought that Intel and M$ were totally linked.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Before that they had a few other projects which were definitely not for x86.

<cellofellow> So, XBox 360 has a PPC Chip?

<cellofellow> huh.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah

<cellofellow> oh, well. This is way OT anyways.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: and apparently from benchmarks it has proven to be faster than the Cell they put in the PS3 ,.... don't know if its faster than Cell as a whole .. but its faster than the particular one in the ps3

<John38> morning

<cellofellow> And I thought XBox 360 was just an XBox with a P4 and a pretty case.

<maxamillion> nope

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<maxamillion> had to get off the laptop ... battery is going to die

* cellofellow wonders how the XBox360 linux project(s) are comming.

<maxamillion> www.free60.org

<John38> i was wondering what kind of uptimes people here get

<DARKGuy> Note to self: Never, ever, open a folder with 185Mb in images plus two 20Mb BMPs 'cause it screws up and lags comp -bad-

<John38> on xubuntu

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: turn off previews?

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: I need previews xD

<maxamillion> John38: i have a test server in my office at work that runs xubuntu dapper that currently has something around a 4 month uptime ... but my desktops reboot daily

<cellofellow> John38: once almost a week before parents told be to turn it off.

<maxamillion> John38: why the concern with uptimes?

<John38> i run servers

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: but I didn't expect it would... act like that :/ *thought Thunar had some file limiting thing like Nautilus does*

<John38> and i come from bsd land

<maxamillion> John38: oh ... ok, well honestly xubuntu as a server will run as long as you don't need to reboot for a kernel patch update

<John38> it was a shock to have my new system reboot all the time

<John38> but it might just might be bad hardware

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: I'm afraid not. If you're browsing pics, I say use something like GQView or digiKam.

<John38> and it seems to lock up more

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: Hm, interesting o.o; I'll look those up :)

<cellofellow> xubuntu's a desktop os, ubuntu-server is what's wanted for servers.

<John38> i will look at the machine and give it another go

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: they're installed by default. :)

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: Yay! *opens xD*

<maxamillion> John38: that's odd ... i come from a long background of linux and i have tried many different variants (and have ventured into the bsd world) and the only issue i see with xubuntu is that we weren't fortunate enough for xfce4.4 to be released stable before we did

<John38> well, the machine its installed on is a desktop and that has the desktop version

<John38> i keep all my machines on 24/7 anyway

<maxamillion> John38: but in general, like i said, you should only need a reboot upon kernel updates

<cellofellow> maxamillion: yeah, I've had xfce4-session crashing on me this last day or two. And it would take GDM down with it and cause a big mess. Reboot. :(

<John38> as i say, it may be hardware-related

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i haven't seem problems like that :/

<maxamillion> John38: ahhh, fair enough :/

<maxamillion> John38: what you run servers for? ... if you don't mind my asking

<John38> i had firefox go ape and blow chunks and die

<cellofellow> uptime for my gui-less debian server: 23:57:53 up 9 days, 9:35, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

<cellofellow> would be longer if I didn't blame it for every ISP-caused internet outage.

<John38> well, i work for an isp, and i'm an isp in my own right

<maxamillion> cellofellow: uptime for my gui-less debian sid is like 2 years

<cellofellow> maxamillion: wow. I get dad turning off machines and stuff so it will never get that high.

<maxamillion> John38: ohhh ... if you need pure uptime for something as critical as an isp ... i would recommend debian

<John38> maxamillion,: in so much as i provide shell accts/webspace for workmates

<maxamillion> cellofellow: my server is at a level 3 co-location ... i pay to make sure it doesn't turn off

<cellofellow> John38: oh yeah. Although Ubuntu-server is about the same but with the option of support.

<cellofellow> maxamillion: oh, haha. mine's a little Pentium1 machine in the office/music room.

<maxamillion> John38: cool cool, yeah ... i would go debian, ubuntu is very closely debian based and the only real advantage of ubuntu over debian is for desktop use because it makes certain things easier for the desktop user ... but i think debian would suite your server needs

<John38> on an athalon box on this network i run shells, https, dns, ftp, that kind of thing

<cellofellow> John38: all in the default CD.

<John38> oh no LOL for no, sorry i didnt explain meself right

<John38> wait

<maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i got dual opertons and 4gb of ram in that server ... and given its age, its still a powerhouse

<cellofellow> maxamillion: wouldn't companies likely opt for ubuntu over debian? Exec's like to have tech support to fall back on. Liabilities and such. I think...

<cellofellow> yeeks! My uptime is way to much.

<maxamillion> John38: for little stuff that is intranet i recommend e-box platform ... its realy nice and easy to admin, but i wouldn't trust it with anything critical ... its also debian based (notice a trend here :P )

<John38> the server machines are freebsd, and they wont change because its what im used to and it works. the reason i got ubuntu is because its for gf who has migrated from xp

<cellofellow> that is, I should be asleep.

<maxamillion> John38: http://ebox-platform.com/

<John38> maxamillion, : yeah :)

<maxamillion> John38: yeah ... if you are comfortable with bsd for servers, keep it ... its a solid os and i always say don't fix what isn't broken ... but if you are looking for *nix for a new comer, (x/k)ubuntu is a really good place to start :)

<maxamillion> John38: and a good place to stay for convenience factor

<cellofellow> maxamillion: just curios, how do you get 2 years out of a Sid box? I'd expect that from Sarge, but Sid gets kernel updates more often than Sarge and a reboot is required for those.

<maxamillion> cellofellow: naw, just get the module upgrades and don't take the kernel upgrades ... its just a hobby server so its security isn't something we worry _that_ much about

<cellofellow> I feel so happy. I got a guy in my ward (church) to say he'll take an Ubuntu CD. He says he has a computer that needs formatted anyways. Has always wanted to try Linux too. :D

<cellofellow> maxamillion: oh

<maxamillion> cellofellow: but yes, you are right ... if i were to shoot for production level server i would go for sarge

<maxamillion> cellofellow: or whatever is stable at the time (since etch is supposed to come out soon)

<cellofellow> My apt-sources on my Debian server say Stable and not Sarge. So does that meen they'll auto-update to Etch?

<DARKGuy> Nope

<maxamillion> uhmmm... actually if you do an apt-get dist-upgrade they might, depends on what the mirror does with the contents of the directory tree

<cellofellow> But why not? Stable points to current-stable, whether that's Woody, Sarge, or Chicken-Man.

<cellofellow> huh, that was late,

<cellofellow> so, I guess I'll see what happens.

<DARKGuy> Hm, I thought stable = sarge, unstable = etch oO, or something along those lines

<cellofellow> To be safe should I change all Stable to Sarge?

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: that's right.

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: no, actually, Testing = Etch, and Unstable always = Sid.

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: Ah, that was it, I forgot about Testing :P

<maxamillion> <3 debian

<cellofellow> what's <3 ?

<DARKGuy> cellofellow: a heart :P tilt your head sideways

<cellofellow> oh. :)

<maxamillion> yeah ... sorry

<maxamillion> i'm an old school debian junkie ... have the red swirl tattooed on me

* cellofellow <3 linux but also needs sleep.

<cellofellow> going... going...

<maxamillion> heh

<maxamillion> i think i will do the same, i have class in the morning and then work after class

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<Vimmel> Where do i check who and what restarted my server?

<BlueEagle> !raid

<ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO

<vidd> good morning all

<Commander-Crowe> hey vidd

<vidd> could someone refresh my memory and tell me where the >Applications menu list file is?

* vidd needs to edit it

<Commander-Crowe> hrm

<Commander-Crowe> not sure

* vidd wants the dapper menu

<vidd> i think i found it

<phpnuborn> ok.. i just tried apt-get install bum > errmsg.txt but the error messages are going to stderr i think.. so how would i redirect stderr to a file?

<vidd> i found it

<vidd> then i broke it....

<vidd> then i fixed it

<vidd> the motto for linux should be "hack till it hurt....i mean works!"

<Commander-Crowe> heh

<Commander-Crowe> vidd

<vidd> yeah?

<Commander-Crowe> wanna test out my new python program I wrote?

<vidd> sure

<vidd> what's it do?

<vidd> Commander-Crowe, i have to get ready for work in a minute

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> just give me your email address

<vidd> want me to private messg ya my e-mail?

<Commander-Crowe> yea

<Commander-Crowe> I'll email it to you

<vidd> what's it do?

<Commander-Crowe> creates dir and backups up your Home dir

<vidd> cool....

<vidd> i have plenty of experience re-installing, so if it *&*$* up and wipes my drive....no big loss

<vidd> =]

<vidd> ok off to work

<Commander-Crowe> HAHAHA

<icheyne> which cd rippers are you boys using?

<Commander-Crowe> grip for audio

<Commander-Crowe> Xfburn for anything else

<icheyne> thanks Commander-Crowe

<cedeon> Hello everyone

<bucket> hello

<bucket> can someone tell me the minimum required system specs for xubuntu

<bucket> please

<TheSheep> bucket: minimum for doing what on it?

<bucket> for it to run and browse web

<bucket> maybe run flash and video in youtube

<TheSheep> ouch, this is demanding

<bucket> really?

<TheSheep> I'd say at least pentium 500Mhz and 192MB ram

<bucket> oh

<TheSheep> firefox is a memory hog

<TheSheep> and flash plugins even worse

<bucket> its a laptop, sony vaio cv1e

<TheSheep> bucket: it will run on P100 and 128MB ram, but slowly, and the movies can lag

<bucket> 128mb ram

<icheyne> fluxbuntu or Damn Small Linux or Puppy Linux might be better for even slower machines?

<bucket> are DSL or Puppy debian based?

<icheyne> no

<icheyne> knoppix

<icheyne> but I'm not sure about their packaging

<icheyne> pretty sure it's not apt

<icheyne> There's also Vector Linux and Slackware

<icheyne> I was not impressed with Vector

<icheyne> I like Puppy out of those best

<bucket> hm i like the apt package manager of deb

<bucket> slackware seems a bit hard to use

<bucket> ok cheers anyway dudes

<bucket> bye

<cloakable> Hey. I'm ordering a ThinkPad 240 tomorrow. Any tips?

<somerville32> :)

<somerville32> Tell them you love Linux! :D

<cloakable> :D

<cloakable> No, on maximising battery life, getting hibernation to work, etc :D Using Xubuntu 6.10

<somerville32> :)

<cloakable> I'm installing noflushd and apmd, disabling ACPI, ect.

<cloakable> Though the ThinkPad 240 has no ACPI. Do I need to bother disabling it in the kernel to get APM to work, in that case?

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<ephemeros> yo \m/

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<kalikiana> !gconfd

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gconfd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<somerville32> !info gconfd

<ubotu> Package gconfd does not exist in any distro I know

<somerville32> :/

<kalikiana> so what is gconfd?

<kalikiana> i found a folder with weird xml files and i have this process running...

<Commander-Crowe> hey all

<kalikiana> hi commander

<cloakable> kalikiana: Sounds like the GNOME GConf system. Think the equivalent to the Windows registry x.x

<kalikiana> cloakable: that's interesting since i don't have any gnome libs installed

<somerville32> An application you're using might require gconfd

<kalikiana> hm... it seems gdm, gksu and xchat use gconf :(

<kalikiana> i don't like registry concepts

<kalikiana> i prefer the folder structure which freedesktop.org suggests

<cloakable> How do I get the memory use of a program in MB?

<TheSheep> cloakable: what do you mean by 'memory use'?

<cloakable> Size in memory.

<g333k_work> hi, how to execute a script every time I log in?

<TheSheep> cloakable: of the program's binary, of its data, of all the libraries it uses, of with the video memory of the window it displays, etc?

<TheSheep> g333k_work: settings→autostarted applications

<cloakable> TheSheep: Binary

<TheSheep> cloakable: well, that's easy, it's roughly the same of the size of the file on disk

<cloakable> How about binary + data?

<cloakable> Trying to look as how much trackerd is consuming while running

<TheSheep> cloakable: open terminal, run 'top', press 'O' and select one of the types of memory you want your processes sorted by

<TheSheep> 4079 sheep 34 19 2292 4108 41692 S 0.0 0.8 0:01.92 trackerd

<TheSheep> 4MB

<TheSheep> for me

<cloakable> Seems to be 43MB for me

<cloakable> 16830 cloakabl 34 19 85m 121m 43m S 0.0 4.2 16:51.47 trackerd

<cloakable> o.o

<maxamillion> hello all

<cloakable> Hey

<somerville32> Hi Adam

<TheSheep> cloakable: 121MB actually

<TheSheep> hi somerville32, maxamillion

* somerville32 is learning all sorts of stuff in #ubuntu-classroom

* maxamillion goes to ubuntu-classroom

<cloakable> TheSheep: That still cannot be good.

<maxamillion> TheSheep: 121mb for what?

<TheSheep> maxamillion: trackerd memory usage

<TheSheep> cloakable: what version do you run?

<maxamillion> ah

<somerville32> It is only suppose to take 4mb!

<maxamillion> oh ew

<maxamillion> any ideas of where the leak comes from?

<TheSheep> maybe some thumbnailer or indexer didn't clean up after it ran...

<TheSheep> cloakable: can you try killing it and running again?

<cloakable> 3553 cloakabl 34 19 40184 3024 2204 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.63 trackerd

<cloakable> Better.

<cloakable> I run 0.5.2

<TheSheep> same

<maxamillion> ok ... leaving ... will be back in like 20 minutes when i get to work

<maxamillion> laters

<TheSheep> cloakable: there is a number of bugs in the code that does initial indexing

<cloakable> Ahhh.

<TheSheep> cloakable: might be a leak somewhere there

<cloakable> It has never been restarted since I first started it

<cloakable> And probably, yes.

<cloakable> 4MB now?

* TheSheep nods

<TheSheep> 3 actually

<cloakable> Good,

<cloakable> :P

<TheSheep> and 40 on the disk :)

<cloakable> 11MB here :)

<cloakable> cloakable@cloakable:~$ du -hs .Tracker/

<cloakable> 11M .Tracker/

<cloakable> -------fetching index stats---------

<cloakable> Text Files : 23

<cloakable> Other Files : 36

<cloakable> Videos : 49

<cloakable> Documents : 139

<cloakable> Folders : 406

<cloakable> Music : 455

<cloakable> Images : 4611

<cloakable> Total files indexed : 5719

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<TheSheep> cloakable: I meant the swap

<cloakable> Ahh :P

<cloakable> Not sure about me.

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<cloakable> o.o

<TheSheep> u-bot-u

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<cloakable> Why is hyper_ch switching nicks so often?

<hyper_ch> cloakable: trying to get my supybot to identify automatically itself to nickserv

<cloakable> Ahhh :)

<hyper_ch> cloakable: finally it worked :)

<hyper_ch> so the german support channels will ahve the same bot as in here but with links to the german wiki :)

<maxamillion> i'm back :)

<somerville32> :D

<somerville32> http://www.techworld.nl/idgns/1651/windows-vista-faq.html

<maxamillion> oh god ...

<maxamillion> vista links

<somerville32> Xubuntu got mentioned in a "Windows Vista FAQ" article on techworld.nl!

<maxamillion> what!!! :D w00t!!!!

<TheSheep> If your graphics hardware is too ancient to support Vista's Aero interface, the rest of your system is probably going to bog down with Vista anyway. In that case, you might do well to stick with Windows XP SP2 or to install a memory-thrifty but secure Linux distribution such as Xubuntu.

<TheSheep> thrifty?

<TheSheep> n. mindful of the future in spending money; "careful with money" [syn: {careful}]

<TheSheep> lol

<maxamillion> well ... thrifty ~= conservative

<maxamillion> but it does make me smile that there is a mention of us in there :)

* TheSheep doesn't like xubuntu being called conservative. revolutionary would be better

<TheSheep> and more exciting

<maxamillion> amen

<maxamillion> i think they were just talking about how xubuntu is light on the system ram

<maxamillion> hello MattJ_

<MattJ_> Hi maxamillion :)

<MattJ_> How did the meeting go?

<ephemeros> bye \m/

<TheSheep> the funny thing is that xubuntu isn't particularly light on the ram :/

<maxamillion> dunno, i missed it ... i was recovering from surgery ...

<MattJ_> :S

<maxamillion> TheSheep: compared to ubuntu and windows it is ... but compared so some alternatives, it isn't

<TheSheep> MattJ_: I fallen asleep half way through

<somerville32> TheSheep: xfdestkop and xfmenu-plugin take up %40 of my ram

<MattJ_> TheSheep: :D

<MattJ_> I missed hearing you snore over IRC, then

<maxamillion> lol

<TheSheep> somerville32: becsue you know how to disable cupsd, mdadm, lvm, evm, etc.

<TheSheep> somerville32: plus, xfce in dapper and edgy really *has* memory leaks

* somerville32 coughs something about a quickie meeting in #xubuntu-devel

<TheSheep> somerville32: and try running 'xrestop'

<maxamillion> TheSheep: what does xrestop do?

<somerville32> I don't have that command installed

<TheSheep> it's similar to top, only sorts by X resources used

<maxamillion> interesting

<mabus> Is there an xcfe frontend for rdesktop?

<maxamillion> mabus: not that i know of

<somerville32> You don't really need an xfce frontend

<mabus> Why not?

<TheSheep> mabus: because the existing one doesn't require any heavy libraries

<mabus> The commmand line one, no. But for a GUI I have a choice between the GNOME or KDE libraries, no?

<maxamillion> mabus: why the need for a gui frontend?

<mabus> Well you never *need* a gui, but for the same reasons you'd want a gui for anything else.

<TheSheep> mabus: if you need gui that bad, then use alt+f2 for running it ;)

* hyper_ch is listening to 5 Days In May by 01 [Amarok]

<TheSheep> mabus: what would that gui contain?

<mabus> Oh and on the same line, are there any xcfe text editors similar to gedit?

<TheSheep> mousepad

<mabus> I really liked the tab based editing, and coloring of code syntax based on what extension you had it saved as

<hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep

<TheSheep> mabus: well, mousepad is supposed to be light

<mabus> Yeah mousepad is nice

<TheSheep> mabus: if you need code coloring and tabs, use vim or gedit or kate

<hyper_ch> mousepad has syntax highlighting?

<TheSheep> no

<mabus> I'll check out kate.

<TheSheep> mabus: it's a kde app

<mabus> vim is a little complex for little perl scripts

<mabus> rrgh

<TheSheep> mabus: use cream :)

<mabus> hmmm

<mabus> I'll check it out.

<maxamillion> mabus: use SciTE

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: I know you're a xubuntu pro :) so here's a tricky question: How can I set in Konversation that the default browser shall not be Konqueror but Firefox?

<TheSheep> cream is vim for the poor ;)

<mabus> I *can* use vim.

<hyper_ch> vim is just too complicated for such a simple being as me

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: that question is not related to xubuntu at all ;)

<mabus> I just hate when backspace for instance doesn't do what you want it to

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, I have xubuntu

<TheSheep> hyper_ch: that's what cream is for

<TheSheep> mabus: add 'set backspace 2' to your .vimrc :)

<hyper_ch> TheSheep: but I like Konversation as IRC client and konqueror as filemanager (due to 2-pane functionality)

<mabus> But wouldn't that remove some of what makes vim good?

<TheSheep> set bs=2

<mabus> cream that is

<TheSheep> cream yes, bs=2 no

<TheSheep> cloakable: but it still gives you tabs and syntax highlighting without gnome/kde deps :0

<maxamillion> use SciTE!!!!

<TheSheep> sry

<maxamillion> sudo apt-get install scite!

<maxamillion> -!

<maxamillion> applications->development->scite

<maxamillion> its sooo freaking awesome

<maxamillion> :)

<TheSheep> mabus: besides, vim is easpecially suited for small perl scripts

<maxamillion> vim is just a bunch of small perl scripts

<maxamillion> :P

<TheSheep> maxamillion: not really

<maxamillion> i know

<maxamillion> it was a joke

<TheSheep> well, emacs is just a bunch of lisp scripts

<maxamillion> vim is very powerful, but it requires 2 semesters of course work to teach you how to use it correctly

<maxamillion> emacs is a freaking OS

<TheSheep> maxamillion: you need to memorize about 6 commands to use vim efficiently

<TheSheep> maxamillion: and hjkl is not among them :)

<TheSheep> *are

<TheSheep> contrary to a popular belief, vim *is* for people ;)

<maxamillion> TheSheep: maybe one day i will look into it ... but it just seems that scite works so much more easily for me

<TheSheep> maxamillion: if something works -- don't fix it

<maxamillion> TheSheep: agreed

<TheSheep> http://widefox.pbwiki.com/Kernel%20Comparison%20Linux%20vs%20Windows

<maxamillion> TheSheep: but i really would like to learn to use vim .... people i have seen use it look so cool traversing text in it

<maxamillion> TheSheep: yeah, i pasted that in the chan last night ... thought it was interesting

<TheSheep> :)

<TheSheep> spreads quickly

<DARKGuy> nano > vim

<TheSheep> DARKGuy: haha :)

<Zeqfreed> :)

<TheSheep> hi Jester45

<maxamillion> hey Jester45

<Zeqfreed> what's the easiest way to unpack a .tar.bz2 archive?

<Jester45> hi

<maxamillion> right click and click "extract here"

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: ^^^^

<Jester45> i know im loved

<Jester45> when 2 peoples say hi when i join

<Zeqfreed> maxamillion: using only cli tools ;)

<Zeqfreed> hi Jester45

<Zeqfreed> :)

<Jester45> Zeqfreed: untar

<Jester45> thanks

<Jester45> thats 3

<Jester45> hi jester45

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: tar xvfj

<Jester45> hi

<Jester45> thats 4

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: ah, so j is for bzip2?

<TheSheep> Jester45: you're cheating

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: yes

<Jester45> lol

<cga> ok i'll make it 4...

<cga> hi Jester45

<Jester45> w00t

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: thanks :) man pages take so long to read, you know :-P

<cga> pw0n

<Jester45> who here likes pretzels

<cga> G.W.Bush?

<Jester45> i do

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: yeah, and your wife beats you when you try to read any

<Jester45> TheSheep: lol

<Jester45> Zeqfreed: haha

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: luckily i don't have a wife :)

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: bunzip2 foo.tar.bz2 ..... tar -xvvf foo.tar

<Jester45> good for you

<cga> nn all

<Zeqfreed> i am too young for that

<Zeqfreed> too young to waste my life with having a wife :)

<Jester45> how do you untar a .tar.gz.zip.rar.tar.gz

<Jester45> :0

<Zeqfreed> lol

<Zeqfreed> rm ./.tar.gz.zip.rar.tar.gz

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: you would have to do ... tar -zxvf foo.tar.gz.zip.rar.tar.gz .... unrar foo.tar.gz.zip.rar ... unzip foo.tar.gz.zip ... tar -zxvf foo.tar

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: would be rediculous though

<Zeqfreed> rm is easier

<maxamillion> but it doesn't unpack the contents ... just gets rid of them :P

<Zeqfreed> nothing with a name like .tar.gz.zip.rar.tar.gz can contain useful stuff

<cloakable> Does anyone here have experience running quake 1 on 6.10?

<cloakable> Or emulators? :P

<maxamillion> Zeqfreed: lol, true

* cloakable needs games with low system requirements

* Zeqfreed ran quake3 today

* cloakable thinks quake3 would suck badly on a 400MHz laptop :)

<Zeqfreed> try quake2

<cloakable> System requirements? I don't have 3d on the laptop

<Zeqfreed> sorry, don't know

<cloakable> Heh

<Zeqfreed> System requirements 90 MHz processor, 16 MB RAM

<cloakable> Cool. 3D?

<maxamillion> whoa ... just got a new keyboard at work and its freaking awesome

<maxamillion> cloakable: quake2 is 3d-ish

<Commander-Crowe> does Xubuntu come with samba?

* Zeqfreed wishes he had new mouse

<Zeqfreed> !samba

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<Zeqfreed> hm.. no answer to your question, sorry :)

<cloakable> What about Megadrive/SNES emulation?

<Zeqfreed> cloakable: try to look for at http://www.usinglinux.org/emulators/

<TheSheep> cloakable: snes9x, zsnes

<cloakable> Thanks :) Though I hear zsnes doesn't run well at 400HMz?

<Jester45> cloakable: get a loki installer for q1 it makes it run nativly

<Jester45> i think

<Jester45> !loki

<ubotu> loki: [Biology] MCMC linkage analysis on general pedigrees. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.7.4-1 (edgy), package size 332 kB, installed size 824 kB

<maxamillion> <3 loki

<Jester45> no ubotu wrong thing

<maxamillion> sooo ... anyone seen this: http://ps3.shimpinomori.net/index_en.html

<maxamillion> ?*

<Jester45> i broke a sp3 already

<Jester45> ps3

<maxamillion> lol

<Jester45> not the most stable things

<maxamillion> Jester45: that's what i have heard

<T`2> anyone here nkow if i can install xubuntu from an ubuntu CD ?

<mabus> TheSheep: No way, vim isn't for small perl scripts. Vim is good for large perl scripts.

<Jester45> T`2: kinda

<mabus> Anything that fits on a screen, I'd rather something like mousepad.

<maxamillion> T`2: i wouldn't recommend it, it always turns out to be more of a headache then you want it to be

<Jester45> maxamillion: what about

<Jester45> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

<Jester45> then remove ubuntu

<Jester45> then remove all the deps that ubuntu has

<maxamillion> Jester45: there is always an issue somewhere with the meta packages messing up when you remove ubuntu and there is almost always some group of gnome libs that end up getting left behind

<Jester45> takes time but

<T`2> maxamillion, ic.. can i do an install over the network?

<Jester45> after you get all the ubuntu stuff gone

<T`2> maxamillion, i have a pxe server

<Jester45> just deborphan

<T`2> maxamillion, instead of the iso download i mean..

<maxamillion> T`2: not that i know of .... don't think there is a ubuntu network install like there is one for debian

<Jester45> maxamillion: could he copy his / directory

<maxamillion> Jester45: think that would work? ...

<maxamillion> Jester45: i dunno

<Jester45> i dont know

<Jester45> ]

<Jester45> seems possiable

<Jester45> grub might get messed up

<Jester45> not sure

<Jester45> TheSheep: we need you in here

<Jester45> better yet crimsun help us

<T`2> http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install

<T`2> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/

<T`2> seems to be valid.. i'll give it a shot and see if it works :)

<TheSheep> Jester45: ?

<maxamillion> T`2: yeah, seems like it would work ... let me know how it goes

<Jester45> TheSheep: could you copy the / directory to install xubuntu

<Jester45> would it be the same or is there some hidden pre/ file

<Jester45> like grub

<TheSheep> Jester45: tar it

<TheSheep> Jester45: and untar

<Jester45> ok

<Jester45> now

<TheSheep> I usually just dd whole partition

<Jester45> i wanna know why my internet is being slow

<TheSheep> from a livecd of course

<Jester45> im streaming a dvd

<Jester45> normaly it doesnt buffer

<Jester45> but it is

<Jester45> and

<Jester45> do you have an auto updater?

<T`2> maxamillion, ubuntu installation is going fine with netboot + pxe + data from ubuntu mirror

<T`2> maxamillion, though i am trynig to see how to do the same with xubuntu

<maxamillion> ah

<maxamillion> yeah ... not sure

<Jester45> T`2: how did you tell it to get the data from ubuntu

<T`2> hmm looks like i have to modify the initrd to change the repos

<Jester45> well

<T`2> Jester45, well it just goes to the "choose ubuntu mirror" step

<TheSheep> repos are the same

<Jester45> o

<TheSheep> it's the package set that's different

<Jester45> TheSheep: do u have a auto updater?

<T`2> uh i c

<T`2> TheSheep, how to change that and where is that file located?

<Jester45> T`2: just write a x on your ubuntu disc :)

<TheSheep> Jester45: no

<TheSheep> T`2: no idea :(

<TheSheep> T`2: you could just install the server and then do apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

<maxamillion> oooo ... TheSheep makes a very good point

<T`2> TheSheep, is that the best option you would suggst?

<T`2> ok great.. i can definetely make it do server isntall from pxe

<TheSheep> T`2: unleass you need to make 100 installs and want to automate it -- yes

<T`2> nah.. just one for desktop

<TheSheep> then the tinkering is not worth the effort

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<maxamillion> TheSheep: you familiar with FreeNAS?

<Jester45> i am

<Jester45> whats your wuestion

<maxamillion> Jester45: is there a linux equivalent? ... i was going to use FreeNAS, but i'm more comfortable on linux

<Jester45> !freenas

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freenas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Jester45> i dont know anything about it

<Jester45> :)

<Jester45> just getting the question out there