<popey> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

<popey> ratfans

* GazzaK slaps popey about a bit with a large Windows XP fault finding 101 book

<popey> xp :(

<GazzaK> well it is bigger and more heavy than the linux manual

<popey> and it exists :)

<popey> which makes it even heavier

* sheepeatingtaz debates whether to go to work early, and get a breakfast from mcdonalds on the way

* popey notes that he managed to avoid McDonalds this morning

<GazzaK> yeah, the linux manual is a bit of paper saying "go to irc.freenode.net and join #ubuntu and get very very confuzzled

<sheepeatingtaz> Ah, I need to go to resotre the cosmic balance then

<popey> indeed you do

<popey> (bast)

<GazzaK> McDonalds Breakfast - me too :'(

* sheepeatingtaz goes, but will return when work gets boring :)

<GazzaK> see you in five minutes then sheepeatingtaz

<popey> :)

<popey> you cheeky scamp you GazzaK

<GazzaK> well, I got in to work, got asked to look at a lame router from some managers home, and am bored already

<popey> haah

<GazzaK> AddOn GWAR3000 - ever heard of such a crap make?

<popey> yeah, heard of addon before

<popey> but not in the context of routers

<GazzaK> it feels like a cheap barbie doll plastic piece of rubbish

<popey> freebie from his ISP?

<GazzaK> shall I drop test it, and then floating point test it, following with a bit of benchmarking?

<GazzaK> wooo my backup worked

<popey> ooo crap - it's open week isn't it

<popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek

<GazzaK> whats that then?

<GazzaK> and my bedroom is always open to you

* GazzaK hides

<popey> O_O

<binary2k2> "<popey> ooo crap - it's open week isn't it", that's the spirit popey :p

<popey> i meant

<popey> "oh crap, I can't participate at all" :(

<popey> i can only read the logs afterwards

<popey> may be able to get on in the 20:00-22:00 slots

<binary2k2> I think i'll be learking about in some of them, but i'm gonna get my friends to go to them (don't work mondays)

<GazzaK> why can't you join in? work?

<popey> yeah

<popey> I finish at 4 (hah!) so will be on the train

<popey> then when I get home there is stuff to do - part of having two kids

<popey> I will just read the scrollback in the channel

<GazzaK> can you not just put the kids outside?

<popey> you are *so* gay

<popey> \o/ CieD

<CieD> mornin Al

<CieD> Monday bleedin Monday

<GazzaK> what ya mean?

<CieD> Sat in the office, when I could be at home

<CieD> oh and g'mornin to you GazzaK

<GazzaK> morning CieD

<CieD> time for some loud music I think

<GazzaK> yeah, office is boring today

<popey> i am looking forward to next week

<popey> week off \o/

<GazzaK> week off, woo, what ya doing?

<CieD> nice, 2 weeks until I have 3 weeks off

<popey> might do some development work

<popey> or punch out a load more screencasts

<popey> not sure

<popey> finding the time to do them is hard

* CieD is in the middle of fitting a new bathroom

<CieD> I know what you mean popey

<popey> ugh

<popey> DIY

<CieD> yeah, this week I shall mostly be rendering

* popey gets povray

* popey renders CieD

<CieD> :)

<CieD> unfortunately the DIY may prevent me from making the BaB

<popey> :(

<CieD> oh well, I'll make up for it in Brussels

<popey> :)

<popey> hmm, popey.com seems to be taking a beating

<popey> it really needs more memory

<popey> need to find stuff to kill

<popey> Mem: 256772k total, 245244k used, 11528k free, 1880k buffers

<popey> Swap: 501816k total, 203936k used, 297880k free, 34924k cached

<popey> :(

* popey shuts down apache-ssl

<CieD> all those blog posts

<popey> it's mostly mailscanner scanning all the mailing list mail :

<CieD> you wanna buy some web space?

<popey> :) even

<popey> hahah

<CieD> *snigger*

<popey> I have a Xen domain from grifferz

<popey> I need to move my stuff that is at home out to it

<CieD> yep, let someone else take the pounding

<CieD> then just run a slug at home

<CieD> ;)

<popey> my machine is a 600MHz PII, his is a 3+GHz P4 or something

<popey> shared amongst others, but will certainly be faster

<popey> and I can buy more memory i think

<popey> which doesn't mean pulling an old compaq proliant apart :)

<CieD> :)

<popey> -rw-r----- 1 root root 1.1G 2006-11-27 08:41 popey.com_access_log

<popey> I *really* should rotate that log

<popey> that's almost two years of logs

<popey> root@colossus:/var/log/apache# head popey.com_access_log

<popey> 207.46.98.144 - - [01/Dec/2004:08:31:09 +0000] "GET /lotgd/index.php?c=1-122543 HTTP/1.0" 200 7311 "-" "msnbot/0.3 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"

* popey shuts down apache to rename his logs to .log instead of _log so they get rotated correctly by logrotate

<popey> \o/ done

* popey manually runs logrotate to move stuff

<GazzaK> whats stored in the access logs

<popey> every hit to the website

<popey> one line per hit

<popey> and as popey.com averages between 9 and 14000 hits a day, it kinda generates big logs :)

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> what kind of info is on each line?

<popey> each hit..

<popey> source IP, date, time, method, path, return code, size, referrer, browser agent string

<mrben> morning all

<popey> that kind of thing

<popey> lo mrben

<GazzaK> cool, loads of info

<GazzaK> hello mrben & LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> Hey Gazzak

<popey> yes GazzaK, allows you to generate funky things like this:- http://quickones.org/usage/index.html

<popey> lo LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> hey Popey.

* popey forces logrotate to run

<LoudMouthMan> So quikc question , should we copy the Ubuntu OPen Week timetable to our UK page and include a link back to the main page ? on the basis that people are lazy we may gain some traction if people immediately can see whats on ?

<LoudMouthMan> damn hammer keyed already!

<popey> there is no point copying pages on a wiki

<popey> they become outdated when they change

<popey> you should just link to it

<popey> -rw-r----- 1 root adm 173 2006-11-27 08:54 popey.com_access.log

<popey> -rw-r----- 1 root root 1156812400 2006-11-27 08:54 popey.com_access.log.1

<LoudMouthMan> popey this is a 1 week 5 day thing id keep an eye on it though

<popey> \o/ we have rotation

* popey rotates

<popey> why

<LoudMouthMan> why not

<LoudMouthMan> heheh

<popey> *boggle*

<LoudMouthMan> look both arguement will be valid. I was just going to put a note on the events page

<popey> put a big banner on our page and link to it

<LoudMouthMan> and copy in todays timetable.

<LoudMouthMan> yeah but people are lazy sometimes so if we say heres todays stuff. go read the rest <grin>

<popey> seems like a pointless task to me, but it's your time you're wasting, not mine, so feel free

<LoudMouthMan> <balmer> information information information information </balmer>

<Seeker`> hmm

<Seeker`> Beryl doesn't like drawing menus this morning

<popey> heh

<popey> bet that isn't beryl, bet that's the gnome window decorator going AWOL

<Seeker`> it will draw the main bit of the tool bar (i.e. File, Edit ...)

<Seeker`> but it doesn't display anything when you click on them

<popey> erk

<popey> not nice

<popey> yet another reason not to use beryl :0-

<popey> er

<popey> :)

<Seeker`> just upgraded it and now it works again

<GazzaK> works for me

<Seeker`> it seems to work fine for me most of the time

<Seeker`> i just get the occasional screw uo

<popey> depends what you're doing I guess

<popey> and whether you value your cpu cycles :)

<sheepeatingtaz> I've had major issues with beryl this weekend

<Seeker`> i've got enough spare CPU to use it

<LoudMouthMan> right im off to change over a client site to ubuntu + codeweaver wish me luck !

<Seeker`> good luck

<popey> Good luck!

<Seeker`> does anyone have any idea where i can find a "bad word list"?

<popey> for password exclusion purposes?

<popey> or to block words in forum posts or something?

<Seeker`> forum posts

<popey> phpbb has a list iirc

<popey> you could blag that

<popey> i suspect most of them do tbh

<GazzaK> and do a word swap over, so if someone types say "vectra" it comes up as "mass produced pile of rubbish from Vauxhall"

* mrben has a bad word list

<mrben> mostly the defaults from wordpress

<mrben> with a few extras thrown in

<mrben> but that's for spam, rather than sweary words

<GazzaK> you could get it to change "fcuk" to "I'm a very naughty boy"

<Seeker`> heh

<Seeker`> i think just replacing swear words with "****" will suffice

<GazzaK> but thats boring

<sheepeatingtaz> I think I remember an IRC channel somewhere where the bot would censor swear word, by proclaiming "XYZ has a potty mouth, and has been censored accordingly'

<sheepeatingtaz> but I may have dreamed it :)

<mrben> no - I remember that

<mrben> bunbun has some nice stuff in #trivia if you start talking to him

<mrben> I briefly ran a forum on jedimoose.org

<mrben> and all the sweary words had moose-like replacements

<popey> moose mansions.. there's a website I miss

<GazzaK> arghhh, I hate my off site servers

<GazzaK> @pity 30 Gary's offsite servers

* Ubugtu splats Gary's offsite servers with a large hammer

<Seeker`> hmm

<Seeker`> there is a distinct lack of lists of bad words on the internet

<sheepeatingtaz> Seeker`: depends what sort of site you are on ;)

<sheepeatingtaz> just go on some dodgy pron site and use the meta-tags :)

<Seeker`> heh

<Seeker`> not too sure the boss would approve of that

<sheepeatingtaz> 'It's work related, Honest Boss!'

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> great idea sheepeatingtaz

<sheepeatingtaz> I'm full of them ;)

<sheepeatingtaz> s/them/it

<GazzaK> full of what?

<sheepeatingtaz> great ideas!

<GazzaK> arghhh coffee spillage

<Seeker`> thats bad

<sheepeatingtaz> gotcha

<sheepeatingtaz> bah

* sheepeatingtaz curses split windows in irssi

* GazzaK curses manager for asking me to look at this cheap router

* popey curses auditor for getting my authorisations reduced in SAP

* popey notes this is impacting his ability to do his job

<sheepeatingtaz> ok, you two win, your curses ore more valid

<sheepeatingtaz> Do you know if the #ubuntu-classroom logs will be online anywhere? I'd like to bookmark it in case I miss any of the sessions I want to take part in this week.

<sheepeatingtaz> Are they on the same site as the ubuntu-uk ones?

<popey> dunno.. you could always create your own logs?

<Seeker`> SAP?

* Seeker` curses subversion

<popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts

<sheepeatingtaz> popey: cheers

* sheepeatingtaz turns off the split windows due to multiple mis-posts in the last few minutes

<GazzaK> no I'm am not doing that with your mother...

* GazzaK curses split windows, honest

<GazzaK> great excuse sheepeatingtaz

<sheepeatingtaz> @lart gazzak

* Ubugtu splats gazzak with a large hammer

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> @lart 10 sheepeatingtaz

* Ubugtu holds sheepeatingtaz to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails

<sheepeatingtaz> s/Ubugtu/Gazzak likes to imagine that he

<sheepeatingtaz> :)

<GazzaK> depends really

<sheepeatingtaz> popey: Seriously, If I can't manage to type in the right channel, what chance have I got of being able to make logs?

<popey> Seeker`: SAP is a company that makes proprietary software, I am a system admin on their software

<popey> hahah

<GazzaK> poor sheepeatingtaz

<GazzaK> eek, how do I test out a crap dsl router without a spare dsl line

<popey> "you don't"

* popey blames GazzaK

<sheepeatingtaz> popey: that reminds me, I have something that will make you chuckle/groan with disbelief

<sheepeatingtaz> You remeber the 'SAP NAvigation 101' you gave me?

<popey> :)

<popey> oh yeah, must send the invoice.

<sheepeatingtaz> Well, since imparting that knowledge to others in the office (All of whom have worked here & with SAP longer than I) I have been elevated to the post of SAP Demi-god!

<popey> :)

<popey> feel free to ask more questions so that I might give you duff advice and make you look stupid

<GazzaK> lol

* sheepeatingtaz politely declines

* GazzaK has powered on piece of poo router and is about to try to connect to it, see ya laters

<sheepeatingtaz> And to be fair, I would try it before I told others, to avoid such a situation arising

<popey> drat

<popey> plan foiled

<sheepeatingtaz> Now I have tasting the power of being a demi-god, I am reluctant to let it go :)

<popey> you need to learn how to say "MWHAHAHAhaahahaaaaaaaaaa" convincingly

* sheepeatingtaz will practice

<sheepeatingtaz> probably not sat at my office desk though

<GazzaK> ek

<sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: No Good?

<popey> hahah, just got a great dialog from sap

* popey takes a screenshot

<Seeker`> ek is never a good sound

* sheepeatingtaz remembers he hasn't listened to questionsplease yet & hides from JonRob

* JonRob glares

<JonRob> lol, no problem

<GazzaK> connected, it all looks okay, I blame the thick manager

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/screenshots/stillconfident hehe made me laugh

<GazzaK> wifi router is actually nice (the web interface)

<GazzaK> popey, OMG http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/screenshots/Screenshot_002

<GazzaK> big screen

<popey> 2x20"

<GazzaK> wow

<GazzaK> @pity GazzaK and his 12" lcd panel

* Ubugtu beats GazzaK and his 12" lcd panel senseless with a 50lb Unix manual

<GazzaK> pretty hostmash mattl

<GazzaK> hostmask even :-)

<mattl> thanks :)

<mattl> just had the most annoying GNOME bug.

<mattl> my laptop battery ran out, so my internal clock reset to jan 01 1904.

<mattl> gnome wouldn't start, giving me some crap about accessbility and corba.

<mattl> reset the time, logged in and it was fine.

<popey> heh

<popey> nice

<JonRob> bizarre

<JonRob> like 1904

<X3N> i don't think thats a bug

<popey> hardware failure?

<X3N> as gnome doesn't like it if the clocks don't match up

<popey> better that than it let you start up and start adding entries to databases with the wrong date :S

<mattl> X3N: right, but it could say that, instead of doing something odd.

<X3N> would cause havoc for things like time stamps

<mattl> OS X gets it right.

<mattl> it comes up and says 'you know you've got your clock set to 1904? would you like to fix that?'

<popey> nice

<mattl> one of the few things about OS X that was actually cool.

<popey> what makes you use osx?

<JonRob> anybody tried gnewsense?

<GazzaK> ompaul has

<JonRob> i just installed it - works great

<GazzaK> eeek, meeting here tonight, ackk

<JonRob> why the panic!?

<Seeker`> meeting?

<GazzaK> isn't that the same time as jono's openweek stuff?

* popey might download it and try it in a vm actually

<popey> wonder if it will support all the nasty evil hardware I own

<mattl> JonRob: gnewsense is great :)

* popey suspects gnewsense will fail for his ipw2200 wireless, nvidia graphics card (for 3d), and DVB-T card

<GazzaK> popey, if it doesn't can you donate it to my chariteee?

<popey> hahah

<mattl> popey: maybe all your hardware doesn't have to work?

<popey> no

<GazzaK> esp. the dvb-t card :p

<popey> maybe you like having hardware that doesn't work, i don't

<mattl> i don't like it either.

<GazzaK> I do, so send it to me

* GazzaK does the <shifty> look

<mattl> but i think there's a point where it works enough.

<JonRob> yeah...for me i don't need 3d acceleration

<JonRob> i don't do anythign that requires it

<popey> it's not that I need the 3d acceleration necessarily, but the nv driver doesn't drive my screen well

<popey> i will report a bug if that's the case

<mattl> popey: okay.. let's help you fix that :)

<popey> :)

<mattl> i'll buy you a wire for your network too ;)

<popey> hahah

<GazzaK> donate me a screen or two then?

<mattl> the only monitor i have is a 14 inch CRT.

<mattl> it can do over 1023x767 resolution!

<GazzaK> by one pixel?

<popey> oooo there is a gnewsense live cd

<JonRob> yah...seem as the ubuntu dapper one i think :-p

<JonRob> installs straight from there with espresso (that's the right name right?)

<mattl> yeah, basically it's the dapper CD with the proprietary stuff taken out

<popey> ubiquity isnt it?

* mattl doesn't know what ubiquity is

<popey> i thought that was the name of the installer

<popey> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/edgy/admin/ubiquity

<popey> "This is a simple live CD installer designed to integrate well with Debian- and Ubuntu-based systems, and to reuse code from d-i for ease of maintenance."

<mattl> aah, okay.

<JonRob> ah perhaps then- but what's espresso!?

<GazzaK> a nice coffee?

<JonRob> that acutally made me lol

<GazzaK> as long as it was not lolroflmao

<JonRob> no

<JonRob> just a chuckle

<GazzaK> good good

<X3N> odd email on the list

<binary2k2> the "I've camped in his garden..." one? :p

<JonRob> lol...me sorry

<JonRob> just trying to point out andrew george is a good chap

<binary2k2> don't know what camping has to do with it, but at least he signed

<binary2k2> still waiting to hear back from my MP

<JonRob> me too

* sheepeatingtaz too

<binary2k2> i'm still waiting to hear back about the whole BBC thing a while ago

<binary2k2> he must have blacklisted me :p

<JonRob> actually on the subject of bbc, how hard would it be for them to put ogg up?

<JonRob> or theora

<binary2k2> it wouldn't, but it can be a bitch gettin them to work on windows media player, and they don't want to confuse people

<JonRob> but what about as a third option? they already offer real and windows media

<binary2k2> bbc are too lazy it seems to encode in vorbis/theora

<JonRob> lol

<JonRob> has any one considered a petition?

<mattl> doesn't realplayer on windows play vorbis and theora now?

* mattl has no idea

<binary2k2> i din't know, don't use windows :D

<mattl> popey: any ideas? ;)

<binary2k2> tho, any player can support ogg, as you can use the libs freely. they just don't

<JonRob> just had a look on their site and i can't see anything aobut out of box support

<binary2k2> the only thing i can find with a google for real player and vorbis, is the Helix player (*nix version)

<mattl> i reckon the bbc would be up for vorbis/theora if there were easy little players for OS X and Windows.

<binary2k2> I think VLC can play oggs on win, dont know about mac, but windows users all use wmp because it's already there

<X3N> much to the distaste of the EU

<mattl> yeah, but if the bbc could offer them a little bbc player, a lot of people would take it, i reckon.

<mattl> there's this - http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/old.shtml

<binary2k2> but they gave up on that, thay had more important things to do

<JonRob> back in 2003!!

<binary2k2> they don't have the recources to spend on ogg, they have to buy tons of windows licences after all :p

<mattl> http://digg.com/tech_news/Ask_the_BBC_to_support_Ogg_Vorbis_Theora

<popey> 12:32 < binary2k2> bbc are too lazy it seems to encode in vorbis/theora

<popey> a little unfair

<binary2k2> well they could do it, thay just won't because thay don't see it as a problem affecting a large enough portion of their customers

<CieD> Al, did you kill your apache?

<popey> CieD: hehe, i did

<popey> but I brought it back

<CieD> what, just now?

<popey> looks like popey towers are down

<CieD> aye, which is why I asked. No problem :)

<popey> :) ta

* popey calls the helpdesk

<sheepeatingtaz> talking to yourself popey? First Sign of madness :P

<popey> looks like BT are faffing around

<popey> we logged a call

<popey> we had a really crackly line - and my adsl has been shockingly bad

<popey> supposed to be up to 8Mb, but I get about 700K down usually

* CieD considers changing to ntl

<popey> ditto

<CieD> I wondered what the service was like

<CieD> any idea?

<mattl> cable companies are shit, i've found

<CieD> really? go on?

<mattl> well, i was with telewest, and i had nothing but problems.

<mattl> that was 5 years ago, however.

<binary2k2> I'm on blueyonder (telewest), not had any problems

<mattl> my boss uses ntl and they're always cocking her account up.

<CieD> ahh, yeah a friend said that ntl wasn't any good, but that was some time ago

<mattl> didn't ntl buyout telewest?

<binary2k2> yeah, it's now ntl:telewest

<CieD> I think so, and Virgin are about to buy out ntl aren't they?

* neuro_ spams a wee bit ...

<neuro_> the new hashlugradio ep is out now for anyone interested

* Seeker` wonders what the UKTeam meeting is for

<mattl> http://www.blueyonder.com/tw/telewest.html makes for an interesting read

<chrish> hi

<popey> CieD: i had very few problems when on NTL

<popey> the connection was a damn site more reliable than ADSL Max

<CieD> so why'd yo uleave them?

<CieD> house move?

<popey> wanted multiple IP addresses

<CieD> ah

<CieD> just need to find out if I signed up for a year with BT when I moved house, if I haven't then I'm in

<popey> \o/ phone fixed

<popey> and bandwidth is much better

<VooDoo_> bansaiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

<VooDoo_> hmmm everyone must be at dinner.

<Seeker`> ello

<VooDoo_> hello Seeker

<chrish> hi

<VooDoo_> hi Chrish

<Seeker`> how be?

<VooDoo_> i b fine

<popey> moved all your domains yet VooDoo_ ?

<popey> http://www.planetnottslug.org/ for example :)

<chrish> not the most exciting web site ever

<popey> hey

<popey> the server might be the most exciting thing on the planet

<popey> it's the content that counts

<VooDoo_> popey: bloody isp transfers .org and .net[s] are a bloomin pain

<chrish> they takes ages in my experience

<VooDoo_> nottslug can be back up in a min, looks like its transfered.

<VooDoo_> brb

<VooDoo__> :)

<VooDoo__> ipcnfig /flushdns

<VooDoo__> ooops

<VooDoo__> bloody computers.

<VooDoo__> think i need to upgrade the ram in my laptop

<GazzaK> how much?

<VooDoo__> 180 for 2gb

<GazzaK> thats good, is that SO-DIMM

<GazzaK> and what speed?

<VooDoo__> DDR2 PC2-4200 . CL=4 . UNBUFFERED . NON-ECC . DDR2-533 . 1.8V . 128Meg x 64

<VooDoo__> early christmas pressent

<VooDoo__> popey: planetnottslug.org is back up :) just waiting need to setup the cron to update it :)

<VooDoo__> hi chris

<popey> \o/ VooDoo__

<popey> anyone here know anything about MSSQL?

<popey> hmm

<mrben> I know that I don't want to use it ;)

<popey> haha

<popey> trust me, you seriously don't

<popey> I use it here and it is quite painful

* VooDoo__ consoles popey

<popey> https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/collaboration for example is my current issue

* popey fully expects no answers to his questions :(

<VooDoo__> whats the issue popey? that url just takes you to a portal

<VooDoo__> or is it a forum?

<popey> do'h

<popey> https://forums.sdn.sap.com/thread.jspa?threadID=264239&tstart=0

<VooDoo__> ah user error then ;)

<VooDoo__> damn more than one sentence, i'm screwed

<popey> hahah

<mattl> popey: what's your MSSQL problem?

<mattl> (apart from the fact you're using it! - boom tish)

<popey> it's described at that url

<popey> ^^

<mattl> https://forums.sdn.sap.com/thread.jspa?threadID=264239&tstart=0 ?

<popey> yus

<mattl> you do sap?

<popey> yus

<mattl> i'm sorry to hear that.

<popey> how much more evil can i get! :)

<popey> it pays the bills

* VooDoo__ shakes his head in dispair.

<mattl> so does murder, but you wouldn't do it full time! ;)

<mattl> erk. MSSQL question is over my head.

<VooDoo__> mine too and seeing as i'm tall thats a tall order heh heh heh

<AdamBagnall> Afternoon all

<VooDoo__> hello adam

<popey> hello AdamBagnall

<VooDoo__> its oh so quiet shhhh shhhh!

<GazzaK> hehe, I got banned in #ubuntuforums

<mattl> GazzaK: lolforwhy?

<binary2k2> everyone's in #ubuntu-classroom :p

<AdamBagnall> NO VOODOO, NO SSSHHHH

<GazzaK> being a cheeky so and so

* AdamBagnall stops shouting now. Shhh

<VooDoo__> GazzaK: you cheeky? no :)

<VooDoo__> everyone here for the meeting tonight?

<AdamBagnall> Probably

<AdamBagnall> Lurking at least

<binary2k2> i will be, don't know what we are gonna be talking about tho

<GazzaK> meeee

<VooDoo__> isn't there an agenda?

<binary2k2> yeah : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20061127Meeting

<binary2k2> but nothing on it yet :p

<VooDoo__> that helps seeing as its tonight :)

<binary2k2> guess we just make it up as we go along

<popey> or think up some agenda points now?

<popey> aaaand

<popey> GO!

<sheepeatingtaz> ubuntu-classroom is too confusing for my little brain :(

<popey> doesn't help people are talking in there

<popey> you need to ignore the joins and parts

<VooDoo__> how to promote ubuntu in local lugs?

<sheepeatingtaz> popey: I thik I'll get the logs later, and strip the joins out

<popey> yeah

<popey> I'm not convinced irc is the best format for this

<popey> but then I haven't been in #ubuntu-classroom to find out so what the hell do i know

<GazzaK> they need to +mz the channel I think

<binary2k2> uh-oh, comments time

<VooDoo__> tip for you all: DONT EAT YELLOW SNOW

<GazzaK> or brown... or red

<sheepeatingtaz> Really, White snow is the only 'safe' one. And sometimes not even that.

<binary2k2> not a good idea to eat snow of any kind

<popey> \o/ just had my question answered in ubuntu-classroom :)

<VooDoo__> woohoo go popey

<VooDoo__> er whats ubuntu-classroom?

* popey needs to act on it now

<sheepeatingtaz> go popey, go popey

<apokryphos> !openweek

<ubotu> Ubuntu is hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community, which all takes place in a week. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek

<GazzaK> writing a specification and track it in launchpad is a good idea for writing a new app also - popey this is a good idea

<VooDoo__> of course, silly me.

<VooDoo__> damn it's 3:30 :(

<VooDoo> sorry about that i was deleting ubuntu and installing XP.....

<VooDoo> lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

<GazzaK> erm

<binary2k2> that's the work of the devil

<GazzaK> hahahahahhahahahaaa to you too

<VooDoo> oi GassaK what you doing?

<GazzaK> hehe

<GazzaK> nothin

* GazzaK giggles and hides

<VooDoo> keep away or i'll spank ya....

<GazzaK> woo yay

<VooDoo> lol

* GazzaK /version's VooDoo again

<VooDoo> behave :)

<GazzaK> make me?

* VooDoo ponders.

* VooDoo gets out his 10lb black ribbed knobbler

<GazzaK> O_O

<popey> o_O

<sheepeatingtaz> popey!

<popey> sheepeatingtaz!

<VooDoo> \o/

* sheepeatingtaz points popey to PM

* popey points sheepeatingtaz to his reply

* sheepeatingtaz can't see a reply :(

<popey> now?

<popey> is your nick registered?

<sheepeatingtaz> I can now

<VooDoo> help

<GazzaK> awww, that read like you were gonna snuggle jump each other then

<GazzaK> <sheepeatingtaz> popey! <popey> sheepeatingtaz!

* VooDoo slaps GazzaK with a wet fish :)

<sheepeatingtaz> @lart GazzaK

* Ubugtu steals GazzaK's mojo

<GazzaK> I think I prefered the 10lb black ribbed knobbler

<VooDoo> steady...

* GazzaK steadys himself

<GazzaK> ready

<VooDoo> well i've got one person in my ubuntu-uk messenger group! any one else use messenger? for when were off channel?

<nox-Hand> Aha!

<nox-Hand> Life! :)

<GazzaK> life?

<sheepeatingtaz> VooDoo: Messenger? Of teh MSN Variety?

<GazzaK> whats that?

<VooDoo> unfortunately yes, while i'm at work i use msn :(

<GazzaK> VooDoo, gary @ kearley dot net :p

* sheepeatingtaz *shudders*

<GazzaK> and popey and sheepeatingtaz can add me too

<GazzaK> i'll be nice

<sheepeatingtaz> mine is my nick at gmail dot com

<sheepeatingtaz> but tbh, whenever I'm on there, I'm on IRC too (normally)

<binary2k2> I havent used MSN in years, the last I heard, someone stole my MSN ID and were saying they were me :p

<VooDoo> ok added you all :)

<LoudMouthMan> who what where ?

<LoudMouthMan> hello im back ... busy gloating over another tiny move to Ubuntu domination.

<LoudMouthMan> what did i miss?

<sheepeatingtaz> VooDoo: do you use MSN *for* work?

<VooDoo> no just adding ubuntu-uk users to my msn group

<LoudMouthMan> ah nothing for me then :-P

<VooDoo> not for work, at work,

<VooDoo> jsut to chat to me mates. :)

<sheepeatingtaz> Why MSN, and not a jabber service?

<GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, we can attack you via msn too if you like

<sheepeatingtaz> or, are you like me and have mates who refuse to use anything but MSN

<GazzaK> yep

<VooDoo> yup

<popey> people at work use MSN extensively

* popey has msn, icq, irc, yahoo, google and jabber open :)

<sheepeatingtaz> I have those When I'm at home

<VooDoo> i just use gaim at home

<popey> indeed, under gaim

<sheepeatingtaz> here it's mission:impossible style IRC, and GTalk (Jabber) through Gmail

* sheepeatingtaz hugs Kopete & meebo

<LoudMouthMan> yeah i use Gaim and have shown my clients Gaim , which has proven quite popular since it marries all the chat clients into one place.. but ive no MSN handle id wish to hand out here <grin>

<GazzaK> is it too rude?

<popey> mine are... popeydotcom@hotmail.com

<popey> popeydotcom@yahoo.co.uk

<popey> 11317622 (icq)

<popey> alan.pope@gmail.com

<popey> popeydc@jabber.org

<popey> I think that's all of them :)

<sheepeatingtaz> The only one I don't think I've ever used is AIM

<Seeker`> what exactly happens at the meetings?

<popey> people talk

<LoudMouthMan> We have meetings ?

<LoudMouthMan> hehe I know

<Seeker`> so how is it any different to all the other time

<Seeker`> s

<popey> i have only used AIM to talk to a mate - I am on ICQ, him on AIM

<popey> they are bridged

<LoudMouthMan> because someone ( usually me ) focuses the meetings on a bunch of topics in the agenda.. which now Im back I'll go edit and check.

* Seeker` looks forward to discussing "Your item here"

<popey> yeah, should be a hot topic

* GazzaK gets excited over LoudMouthMan's too rude for the channel MSN Handle

<popey> wossat then?

<GazzaK> dunno, but he said "but ive no MSN handle id wish to hand out here <grin>"

<GazzaK> so I was thinking what it could be

<Seeker`> popey: Whereabouts are you from?

<GazzaK> got quite a list of possibles

<Seeker`> GazzaK: Windowsrules@hotmail.com?

<LoudMouthMan> Agenda now Updated.

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak .. later dude <wink>

<sheepeatingtaz> is it wrong that I just got a link about a Leather covered laptop and thought of GazzaK?

<VooDoo> l8r

<popey> Seeker`: Farnborough, hampshire, why?

<GazzaK> leather laptop, cool

<sheepeatingtaz> GazzaK: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/27/review_asus_w6fp/

<LoudMouthMan> sheepeatingtaz. no but you may be repressing feelings you need to deal with !

<sheepeatingtaz> Pink Leather ;)

<Seeker`> popey: I saw you posted to the Hants LUG, and was wondering if you were anywhere near me

<popey> i am on the committe for HantsLUG :)

<popey> it's my "home lug"

<Seeker`> cool

<popey> where are you?

<popey> HantsLUG is of course the best LUG in the WORLD!

<popey> and will take over all other LUGs

<popey> MWAHahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa

<GazzaK> mwhahahshahahehahehaherhahdhaaaa

<Seeker`> popey: Old Basing

<Seeker`> about 20 miles down the M3

<LoudMouthMan> Yeah thats why we call it the hampshire mafia !

<popey> ahhh, not far then

<popey> Seeker`: we have a meeting coming up soon in southampton, you'd be welcome to come

<popey> http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl

<Seeker`> popey: I was considering it, but i'm not sure what i'm doing that weekend yet

<popey> 2nd December

<popey> ahh, ok

<popey> the guy who made the startup sounds for ubuntu edgy will be giving a talk :)

<LoudMouthMan> We have a lug meeting coming this Thursday the presentation is on Damn Small Linux .. so were all expecting to be leaning into the screen to look closely !

<popey> jpc

<sheepeatingtaz> we have a LUG meeting next Tuesday, and I'm just hoping I'll not be the only one there!

<GazzaK> lol at LoudMouthMan (wink????)

* GazzaK has no local LUG meetings

<GazzaK> :'(

<Seeker`> popey: If my girlfriend decides to go off on holiday, i'll be there

<popey> GazzaK: set one up then :)

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak then form your own .. you can call it Splitter LUG

<popey> GayLUG!

<LoudMouthMan> then I want Straight and Bi and Lesbian LUGs to be set up as well !

<sheepeatingtaz> Like other Lugs, but better dress sense!

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> I can't set one up

<popey> why?

<GazzaK> GLBTLUG :p

<sheepeatingtaz> Jsut have a cuddle & try again later

<GazzaK> no confidence

<sheepeatingtaz> oh, *set* one up

<GazzaK> I'd never be able to talk to people in public

<LoudMouthMan> Sheepeatingtaz ... grooooaaaannnnn !

<GazzaK> sheepeatingtaz, lol

<sheepeatingtaz> thank you, thank you, I'm here all week

<LoudMouthMan> more the pity

<sheepeatingtaz> :)

<LoudMouthMan> gods were constructive some days <grin>

<GazzaK> you looney

<LoudMouthMan> i must stop quoting B5 .. its fracking annoying !

<sheepeatingtaz> B5 == Babylon 5?

<LoudMouthMan> but Londo Mollari was my role model. well apart from the dying bit!

* GazzaK wonders what you lot are smoking

<LoudMouthMan> im smoking the smouldering results of my PC exhaust fan heating the emulsion paint on the walls of my little Office.

<LoudMouthMan> and that endds the commedy 5 minutes!

<LoudMouthMan> whats up have we all discovered HLR in our podqueues.

<GazzaK> I found a more interesting thing to do

* GazzaK picks nose

<LoudMouthMan> that will last 1 minute then ...

* LoudMouthMan hands Gazzak the wipes.

<GazzaK> nahh, I just flick em onto the ceiling

<LoudMouthMan> funny and we thought that was Artex ! turns out its GORE-tex.

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> why does notes use the f9 key to refresh and f5 clears the currently logged on user - how lame

<LoudMouthMan> because notes is not noted for its ability to note the correct key.

<LoudMouthMan> its not right with note .

<GazzaK> @pity Notes

* Ubugtu tickles Notes's feet with a feather

<GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, you drinking again?

* Seeker` still cant get water to work in Beryk

<Seeker`> *Beryl

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak .. like I said London was a role model.!

<LoudMouthMan> Londo rather

<GazzaK> water whats that, and how do you launch it

<LoudMouthMan> frell !

<LoudMouthMan> is that Beryk on Tweed ?

<GazzaK> Seeker`, how would you start the water effects normally?

<GazzaK> LoudMouthMan, maybe it is Beryl the Peril

<LoudMouthMan> rolftmaoabmyotfc

<Seeker`> i think ctrl + F9

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak, drink lots ?

* sheepeatingtaz -> home, see you all at the meeting later (If I rememeber :S)

<Seeker`> you need to make sure its turned on in the manager

<LoudMouthMan> meeting , theres a meeting ?

<sheepeatingtaz> LoudMouthMan: so people keep saying :)

<sheepeatingtaz> I'm just following the crowd

<LoudMouthMan> you dont need to follow the crowd.. your all individuals, repeat after me " i am an individual@

<GazzaK> do we have to put the lame @ at the end too

<LoudMouthMan> yeah .. cause my keyboard is screwed.

<GazzaK> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<GazzaK> lol

<LoudMouthMan> ollox

<LoudMouthMan> <--- had Eddie Bleasdale on the phone !

<LoudMouthMan> has rather !

<Seeker`> hmm, apparently Vodafone reset your minutes on the 1st of each month

<Seeker`> but bill you every 28 days

<Seeker`> according to their customer service people

<Seeker`> am I the only one who thinks that is odd?

<mattl> !binarydrivers

<ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto

<mattl> ffs!

<mattl> !morality

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about morality - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<LoudMouthMan> ping jono .. hmm lets see if this works.

<jono> LoudMouthMan, *coming from the town of wolverhampton in the west midlands...." PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<LoudMouthMan> hey jono .. got a min your gonna love this !

<jono> sure :)

<Smiffeh> Afternoon gents

<LoudMouthMan> yes followed by evening ladies !

<LoudMouthMan> bugger Gazzak missed that one !

<Seeker`> seeya , tis hometime

<Smiffeh> #ubuntu-clasroom

<Smiffeh> gogo, open week!

<Seeker`> dont you mean go go gadget open week?

<Smiffeh> ...in retrospect, yes... yes i do.

<Seeker`> :)

<LoudMouthMan> right im off home ... laters

<LoudMouthMan> back

<Smiffeh> QB

<Smiffeh> **WB

<LoudMouthMan> God thats one hell of a commute.. I always get delayed at the conservatory and always divert by way of the kitchen.

<Smiffeh> ... i envy you!

<Smiffeh> i wondered where you worked when you said you were going to the office at about 10:30 on Saturday night

<LoudMouthMan> heheh well the office is just over the garden at the end ofthe patio !

<Smiffeh> what do you do?

<LoudMouthMan> i give MS sales guys heartburn .

<LoudMouthMan> nah I give employeess the heebeejeebies.

<LoudMouthMan> no actually I make Financial Directors happier at christmas.

<LoudMouthMan> what I do is show smal and medium sized businesses how well OSS works for them

<Smiffeh> sounds good

<LoudMouthMan> yeah its alright.. but you swap one annoying boss for 1 boss equal to 1 client .. for as many clients as you can get.

<LoudMouthMan> rigth #ubuntu-classroom should be intersting , some guy called Jono is running it and it could be interesting.

<Smiffeh> Some guy.... its only Jono Bacon!

* jono laughs

<LoudMouthMan> I dunno in IRC no one can see your beard !

<Smiffeh> Beards are status symbols tbh, people should have a tag for it.

<LoudMouthMan> i tagged my beard but the RfID gets stuck in the phillishaev

<Smiffeh> tbh if you were ultra manly your beard would block Rfid,

<Seeker`> hi

<Smiffeh> wb

<Seeker`> ty

<LoudMouthMan> yw

<dsas> heh, "whingers will always whinge"

* dsas zips it

<Seeker`> zips what?

<dsas> my mouth

<dsas> but now it is unzipped as it is time for food

<Smiffeh> haha

<Smiffeh> <-- going to join the marketing team

<mattl> jono: that was really useful. thanks a lot mate. :)

* LoudMouthMan starts round of applause for Jono .

<LoudMouthMan> \o/ Haggis on the boil and neaps and tatties on the waa ! life is gud !

<candtalan> hello all

<chaddy> lo candtalan

<LoudMouthMan> hello candtalan

<candtalan> are there any new items for (the previously empty?) agenda for this meeting?

<LoudMouthMan> yes . I updated it about 2hrs ago

<candtalan> I missed that sorry

<LoudMouthMan> thats okay .. .

<LoudMouthMan> tight do excuse me . .Ive got a fresh cooked haggis here and my gods it smells gorgeous ! ..

<candtalan> Cold curry and fresh rice veg here.....

<super> oi

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*** candtalanhi is now known as candtalan

<candtalan> hi super

*** candtalan is now known as candtalanhi

*** candtalanhi is now known as candtalan

<popey> hello candtalan

* popey giggles at the gnewsense boot menu - specifically F9 which says I should visit their web page..

<popey> http://www.DOMAIN/

<popey> :)

* popey will be sure to do that :)

<chaddy> I was hanging out in #newsense for a while over the last couple of weeks

<chaddy> seemed to be a lot of zealotry

<LoudMouthMan> zealotry, harumph we can show them how to be zealouts !

<candtalan> Ive got to go now, bye

<LoudMouthMan> bye

<super> brb

<LoudMouthMan> right back to the office ! hehehehe

<popey> moo

<anti-net_> hey popey

<LoudMouthMan> oom

<anti-net_> and hello LoCoBot

<anti-net_> LoudMouthMan*

<LoudMouthMan> Sorry i heard it was good to reflect someones comment to show you were listening <grin>

<Gizmo_the_Great1> crikey - 34 users in the room. busy busy :-)

<LoudMouthMan> Gizmo yes ..

<LoudMouthMan> then again dont say it to loud.. you'll wake em up !

<Gizmo_the_Great1> too true!

<LoudMouthMan> Are you here for the team meeting ?

<Gizmo_the_Great1> yep - not attended one yet so thought i should make the effort!

<popey> it's okay, most of us are only here in spirit

<Gizmo_the_Great1> lol

<GazzaK> eek, morning

* popey pretends to be a ghost

<Gizmo_the_Great1> i watching celebrity jungle at the same time!

<popey> wooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo

<GazzaK> oh, it's still evening

* GazzaK goes back to sleep

<GazzaK> am I on time/

<dsas> that was quite a believe impression popey

<dsas> GazzaK: No.

* GazzaK goes back to sleep

<dsas> s/believe/believeable

<dsas> GazzaK: 25 minutes

<LoudMouthMan> Gizmo kool.

<dsas> hey LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> hehe just got totally distracted by the fact Mr Project is in the office suite of apps !

<LoudMouthMan> hey Dsas. thanks for mailing out today .

<Gizmo_the_Great1> LoudMouthMan: what, my name, or the fact i waqtching celebrity jungle?

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: No Problemo

<LoudMouthMan> Giz .. no earlier <grin>

<Gizmo_the_Great1> LoudMouthMan: lol...i lost already mate!

<LoudMouthMan> then your in the perfect channel

<LoudMouthMan> no heroes.. all lost !

<Gizmo_the_Great1> LoudMouthMan: excellent!!

<Gizmo_the_Great1> while we wait for meeting, anyone here a PHP programmer?

<LoudMouthMan> yep

<Webspot> yup

<LoudMouthMan> but I dont admit to being a php one

<LoudMouthMan> hehehe

<Gizmo_the_Great1> LoudMouthMan: how long you been doing it and what gave you the incentive to learn? a project or a task of some sort?

<LoudMouthMan> ive been a programmer since um 1983

<frederific> evening all, is there where the ubuntu-uk meeting is at 2130?

<Gizmo_the_Great1> frederific: yep :-)

<LoudMouthMan> I got into PHP because it was less of a anuerism than Perl .. then i learnt perl !

<LoudMouthMan> mind you I worked with fortran and ada for my sins !

<frederific> cool, my first meeting :)

<Gizmo_the_Great1> i have writtena littlf ro xoops.org project but since then nothing. i wasnt to learn again but have no real incentive to other than the desire

<Bobster> Good Evening

<Gizmo_the_Great1> hi bob

<Bobster> Bobster = VooDoo

<LoudMouthMan> right people .. i'll see yo uall in a bit .. if no one is familiar with the agenda or has anything to add nows the time to point it out on the wiki !

<LoudMouthMan> be right back !

<Bobster> any one got the url for the agenda?

<Gizmo_the_Great1> Bobster: not to hand. was linked to in the e-mail if u have it

<popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20061127Meeting

<dsas> popey was too fast again :(

<Gizmo_the_Great1> why is ubuntu site over https? seems a bit overkill to me?

<dsas> Gizmo_the_Great1: So no-one can steal your username and password.

<popey> can I have your username and password please Gizmo_the_Great1

<popey> and your credit card too

<popey> :)

<Gizmo_the_Great1> lol

<Gizmo_the_Great1> for login yes, but why bother after that on a info site like ubuntu?

<dsas> why not? Maybe it's not an issue.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> perhaps

<Gizmo_the_Great1> but i was curious

<Gizmo_the_Great1> i'd only apply https to logins and secure page myself

<Gizmo_the_Great1> but i ma sure theres a vlaid reason

<popey> it's easier to make a whole site https

<dsas> Gizmo_the_Great1: Presumably it wasn't worth the effort to do that.

<popey> than just pick individual pages

<Gizmo_the_Great1> popey: i did not know that

<Gizmo_the_Great1> popey: that might explain it

<LoudMouthMan> Right back again .

*** LoudMouthMan changes topic to "Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://www.ubuntu-uk.org | Ubuntu FAQ: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members add your picture | UKTeam Meeting Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20061127Meeting"

<Gizmo_the_Great1> how frequent r the meetings?

<LoudMouthMan> Gizmo well this is the second one and we figure when we need them but I imagine anywhere between 4weeks and 8weeks.

<LoudMouthMan> Depending on activity. this one was called because we were expecting a result from the Community Council. however it gives us a chance to review where we are at and what we need to do next.

<C_Mooney> Is it alright just to sit and read, rather than actively take part, or would that be frowned upon?

<LoudMouthMan> Absolutely

<LoudMouthMan> Free community free involvement <grin>

<dsas> C_Mooney: No-one is expected to say or do anything. Feel free to loiter in here as often as you like.

<LoudMouthMan> but im really chuffed to see a few unfamiliar nicknames on the channel.

<C_Mooney> Well its great that there's meetings that I feel I can atleast watch, or even take part in.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> agreed. i like using irc for this

<Gizmo_the_Great1> almost like video conferencing :-)

<LoudMouthMan> OKay well this is the 10 minute warning !

<LoudMouthMan> we will convene at 21:30 by my clock and thats 8 mins away and I'll allow a coulpe of minutes for others to drop in . <grin.

<GazzaK> can I sit and watch too?

<X3N> i don't think anyone has anything to bring up in this meeting

<dsas> GazzaK: No, you must go outside.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> lol

<popey> Bad dog!

* GazzaK goes outside

<LoudMouthMan> X3N . well theres some stuff we should clear the decks on .

* popey raps GazzaK on the nose with a rolled up newspaper

<GazzaK> ahh, at least this reminds me of last night at popey's

<dsas> hmph, IRC lag.

* LoudMouthMan sniggers

<GazzaK> that tree is mighty uncomfortable

<popey> :)

<frederific> ditto C_Mooney

<Gizmo_the_Great1> how r people doing the pink star thing?

<LoudMouthMan> thet are typing /me

* GazzaK this thing?

<Gizmo_the_Great1> and no - i not bering rude!

* frederific is pleased to discover the /me thingy

* GazzaK

* Gizmo_the_Great1 is happy to have done so too

<popey> \o/

<popey> ( )

<popey> |

<popey> aaargh! my leg!

* Gizmo_the_Great1 jumps up and down with excitment

<dsas> Gizmo_the_Great1: type "/me wiggles his nose"

<Narrf> Evening all

<LoudMouthMan> yeah but if you type /quit it makes everything really quiet !

<Gizmo_the_Great1> lol

<Gizmo_the_Great1> i off to get a coffee and a digestive or 4 b4 meeting begins

<LoudMouthMan> Admit it everyone , you all waited to see who tried it ! .

<LoudMouthMan> oooh biccies

<frederific> is there a list of these /whatevers anywhere?

<popey> I have /ignore set on all joins and parts so I wouldn't see it anyway :)

<Gizmo_the_Great1> frederific: that is what i was thinking

<LoudMouthMan> popey yeah i have a /ignore set on all popeys and . oh wait .. damn !

<LoudMouthMan> two minutes.. !

<GazzaK> /quit

<GazzaK> it dunno work for me

<Narrf> frederific: try http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html

<LoudMouthMan> Gazzak smart arse !

<LoudMouthMan> and thats not a compliment!

<GazzaK> /s wooo

<GazzaK> that dunno work either

<frederific> Narrf: ta

<LoudMouthMan> right . Shall we begin to think about the agenda.. with luck we cansort out the six points..

<LoudMouthMan> Lets get this meeting started then . and thanks to everyone for making the effort to get online and drop in , and hello to the new people on the channel.

<popey> BONNNNG!

<Smiffeh> Hello *waves*

<frederific> hi

<LoudMouthMan> Well Im LoudMouthMan, NikButler and I sort of set the Date for this Meeting so if we all present and accounted lets begin.

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Approval Application.

<LoudMouthMan> We submitted the application https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ApprovalApplication/ to Jono back onthe 13th .

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<LoudMouthMan> Since then the Ubuntu Communit Council cancelled its meeting of the 17th and we dont know when the next one is due ( as of 17:00 tonight that was ! )

<LoudMouthMan> I am aware than the Canonical/Ubuntu Interface is changing and uprgading/updating many aspects of the community interface and so believe we are currently waiting on that to complete.

<LoudMouthMan> in the meanwhile

<frederific_> /msg nickserv link frederific cooldude

<LoudMouthMan> [SUGGESTOIN] can those of us not Ubuntu Members whom would be suitable candidates arrange to discuss / plan applications, and who in the group is a Ubuntu Member ?

<LoudMouthMan> theres 5 minutes for this : please discuss.

<LoudMouthMan> oh and is someone logging please ?

<popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto is useful here

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: The logs are autologged by LoCoBot

<LoudMouthMan> cool well okay .

<dsas> I dunno whether or not I would be suitable. I'm a member of the QA team, have submitted some doc patches and wibble on in here.

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: You're an obvious candidate to go for membership though.

* LoudMouthMan blushes...

<popey> i am planning mine too

<LoudMouthMan> smiffeh would you liekto repeat yuor question to me here as well ?

<X3N> is this membership of the ubuntu team it's self ?

<LoudMouthMan> popey and dsas are to me candiates as well.

<Smiffeh> by ubuntu members, do you mean like the ones who can post on the main planet and stuff?

<dsas> Smiffeh: Yes.

<popey> "Membership of the Ubuntu community means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community. Contributions in all areas are welcome, from support to advocacy, from programming to artwork and documentation, from LoCoTeams activities to core packaging."

<LoudMouthMan> I believe so Smiffeh it gives you access to the planet ( lug radio comments aside ) and other internal launchpad perks...

<dsas> Smiffeh: You get to vote for the community council, and some other perks too. It's just a recognition of your contribution to Ubuntu.

<LoudMouthMan> so [ SUGGESTION] should one of our projects be the progression of core UKTeam individuals towards Ubuntu Membership ?

<Smiffeh> definatly!

<Gizmo_the_Great1> sounds good

<Narrf> absolutely

<Smiffeh> its definitely something to shoot for

<Narrf> then maybe those that get membership first can mentor others later

<X3N> how can a team progress and individual ?

* frederific_ nods

<LoudMouthMan> Narff good point. X3N .. mentoring ?

<LoudMouthMan> its about the team work I guess..

<LoudMouthMan> right so can I say agreed?

<Gizmo_the_Great1> yes

<Narrf> yep

<GazzaK> no

<frederific_> yeppers

<GazzaK> erm yes

<dsas> +1 fromme

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] UKTeam members to progress towards Ubuntu Membership to be added to projects list. as ongoing aim.

<LoudMouthMan> next topic

<LoudMouthMan> [ TOPIC ] UKTeam Local Loco meetings : Are these working

<Gizmo_the_Great1> forgive me - what r they?

<dsas> None have happened, I don't think we have the numbers in most areas yet.

<LoudMouthMan> 10 minutes to discuss.

* Narrf agrees with dsas

<dsas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LocalMeetings

<Smiffeh> I'm not even aware of LoCo properly myself, are they meant to be in "competition" lugs, or a subgroup thereof?

<GazzaK> I'd host a loco meeting in my new place when I move, or the local pub, but no-one seems to be about North Essex

<dsas> no, we're seperate to lugs, we complement them.

<C_Mooney> Maybe the best idea is just to organise a date, time and place. To get the ball rolling?

<andy101> Do we not have a map of Ubuntu-ul members, would make it easier to see where is a viable place for a meeting.

<Narrf> I do think we need to keep the idea alive and try and promote them

<C_Mooney> I agree andy101

<GazzaK> google maps do locations thingys like that

<dsas> Smiffeh: There's a page somewhere on the wiki that describe our relationship with LUGs.

<LoudMouthMan> andy101 . nice point . we have a members gallery . possibly a frappr something might be useful.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> frappr would work i fancy

<Smiffeh> dsas: i really should have read more before this.

<LoudMouthMan> dsas. if weve lost that already ! <grin>

<dsas> Smiffeh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups

<X3N> maybe we should try and encourage a designated ubuntu representitive in a lug

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<popey> agreed X3N

<LoudMouthMan> smiffeh . .dont worry this is the 2nd meeting and dsas . well done.

<popey> i typed that into the agenda then backed it out :)

<LoudMouthMan> X3N .. ironically I put my self forward as the Ubuntu Posterboy <grin>

<X3N> heheh

<LoudMouthMan> popey no itsa good idea.

<Narrf> X3N and popey : won't that be seen as trying to take over tho?

<popey> no

<popey> one member per lug type thing

<popey> not if all you are doing (as one person) is representing ubuntu-uk to the lug

<LoudMouthMan> Narff Idont feel so . since the lugs wont see it as anything other than a distro declaration : like when sussex say Use Debian !

<Narrf> ok

<dsas> For those in LUGS, we just need to make it known that you're a member of ubuntu-uk, you'll quickly become the go to for Ubuntu stuff. Probably.

<X3N> we do need to be careful not to step on the ground of lugs, it wouldn't be productive for either the lug or ourselves

<Narrf> X3N: agreed

<LoudMouthMan> okay lets bench the Lugs issue for now .. and discuss it at the next meeting.

<popey> I think we should get a list of LUGs

<LoudMouthMan> so should we also bench the loco-county memebers .

<popey> and each person put their name next to each one

<LoudMouthMan> in favour of Lug Members on the Gallery or similar page

<LoudMouthMan> popey : agreed I had been wondering about that but also backed uot.

<dsas> popey: That sounds like a plan. We're not stepping on any toes if we just make a list of who's in which groups for *our* use.

<popey> exactly

<Narrf> like that popey

<popey> i have a list of all UK lugs handy :)

<LoudMouthMan> hmm okay well that seems like a consensus:

<popey> well, most of them

<LoudMouthMan> suprise suprise ...

<popey> http://www.lug.org.uk/lugs/all.php is as good a start as any

* Narrf looks for his Popey for President poster........

<popey> shut it you

<popey> :)

<LoudMouthMan> so if the president ^H^H^H^H^H^ if the popey wants to populate a wiki page for lugs then we can add ourselves to those lists ?

<C_Mooney> Could the information be used later on to organise a proper meet up?

<LoudMouthMan> bugger <grin>

<LoudMouthMan> okay so are we agreed to drop the loco-county idea infavour of Ubuntu-LugCandidates ...

<X3N> a list of who's in which groups for ubuntu-uk's use sounds like the best idea

<X3N> it should also be exteneded to other groups, e.g gnome-uk, kde-uk etc etc

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: Yes.

<LoudMouthMan> C_mooney I dont see why not . and it helps promote intr LUG activity by diseminating Lug awareness across the distro!

<X3N> "intercommunity connectivity"

<LoudMouthMan> BINGO!

<dsas> X3N: Good plan, we can probably use the same page for all of this stuff.

<X3N> (just to prove every idea can have buz word ;) )

<dsas> if only the entire world used LP :)

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] remove the Loco-County wiki pages in favour of a List of ?Active? lugs underwhich UkTeam members can acknowledge participation.

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC]Project lists on Main page, activity monitoring and prune or preen.

<dsas> I think we should see if anyone is willing to step up to the projects which aren't happening. If not, prune.

<LoudMouthMan> is it time to consider the projects more sharply in favour of projects with shorter more achievable goal. and push long term projects into links/topics ?

<dsas> on a project by project basis.

<X3N> or maybe make a long term projects page ?

<LoudMouthMan> Good , who wants to do the ring/email round to check on them ?

<X3N> or on going

<LoudMouthMan> X3N . .yeah my thought also

<LoudMouthMan> a sort of 3000, 5000 and 10,0000 ft view on these projects

* LoudMouthMan said grinning as Dsas gets the reference.

<LoudMouthMan> but lets refrain from calling them wishlists ...

<Smiffeh> who is going to maintain this page?

<LoudMouthMan> well Dsas is doing a great job so far.

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: We can assign Next Actions too!

<popey> it's a wiki, anyone can

<LoudMouthMan> but everyone has wiki access

<popey> don't forget that

<LoudMouthMan> dsas that woudl be a BLOODY marvelous idea

<LoudMouthMan> seriously a good idea [SUGGESTION] next actoins on the project table .

<LoudMouthMan> btw anyone can say [SUGGESTION] or [IDEA] if they want to make sure I can catch it later <Grin>

<Narrf> and maybe a target date for next action also

<LoudMouthMan> okay well lets not get bogged down, but yeah if we can select a finish date ( just like we did for this meeting ) then lets do that. but im not looking to push GTD on anyone <grin>

<LoudMouthMan> but Narff its a valid point , dsas im sure is taking notes.

* dsas prods LoCoBot

<LoudMouthMan> so we are agreed we need to prune and review the projects section of ourt page .

<Narrf> agreed

<LoudMouthMan> ourt ? our maybe ... im getting all northern sorry ..

<C_Mooney> Would it be worth discussing now which projects to preen?

<dsas> It's probably better to mail the list with the action, and see what has happened by the next meeting.

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] Prune the projects page to contain shorter term goal projects and move long term projects into seperate page. include column to note next action or expecteddate.

<dsas> people may step up and revitalise projects that way.

<LoudMouthMan> dsas. well between you and I i suspect we can set a good example on moving this forward .

<LoudMouthMan> but yes absolutely .

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Buddies. Shall we define these or drop them ?

<popey> what was the concept?

<Narrf> Define them - loosely

<LoudMouthMan> I know I offer a Ubuntu buddy service to brand new Ubuntu users which consists of 1 hour of my time to guide them infinding where to get help and get going forward.

<X3N> is that in person ?

<Gizmo_the_Great1> LoudMouthMan: that is very generous of you

<Narrf> The concept is simply to take a noob under your wing and assist them to use Ubuntu and become part of the comunity

<LoudMouthMan> popey the concept I think could be loosly defined as Ubuntu mentoring for completely new Ubunutu/linux users ..

<Smiffeh> yeah, thats very generous of you LoudMouth, can you devote that much time to it though?

<popey> ok

<Narrf> X3N: or via email/irc - don't matter how

<binary2k2> (adopt a noob) :P

<Narrf> binary2k2: exactly :p

<LoudMouthMan> Smiffeh one new person a week is 1 hour a week . .thats one episode of Stargate atlantis ! .. I think I will live.

<Smiffeh> its not just 1 hour though.

<binary2k2> no, i can't miss Stargate atlantis!!

<Smiffeh> People will keep coming back i'm sure.

<LoudMouthMan> X3N not exclusively . I feel Popey is everyones Ubuntu Buddy with his tutorials.

<binary2k2> maybe I'll jusr shy+ it tho

<Gizmo_the_Great1> how often do they come back and 'pester ' you though?

<popey> thing is LoudMouthMan has a different motivation than others I think

<Smiffeh> depends on the user i guess.

<popey> if you are self employed it pays you to invest an hour in a newbie

<VooDoo> hello all

<X3N> he has no friends ?

<X3N> :p

<LoudMouthMan> popey sure .. but themotivation is the key surely <grin>

<LoudMouthMan> X3N har de har . .but lets get back on topic .

<andy101> wouldn't writing an introduction be better, anyone can read it and learn from it then?

<popey> but others don't have the same drive to use an hour of their *own* time and not their *businesses* time to do this

<Narrf> hang on - isn't helping noobs simply the 'ubuntu' thing to do? not how often they pester you

<Gizmo_the_Great1> andy101: but for the noob - its finding documents like that

<binary2k2> sometimes you need 1 on 1 help

<LoudMouthMan> I think we need many roads to lead to Ubuntu

<LoudMouthMan> Narff.. wow you got my point of view .. im really blessed..

<LoudMouthMan> cheers mate

<dsas> I just help anyone who pops up and ask questions. I occasionaly go through the lp support tracker too, and people who post to the wrong list.

<C_Mooney> Could there be a list of those willing to help? And a person looking for help just chooses a name?

<LoudMouthMan> okay I think therefore we should drop the Ubuntu Buddy concept for now then and move to ensure we are all clear how to assist new members and new users .. dsas I think I had you email me something about this a week ago.

<Narrf> dsas: that to me is a large part of it, but i've had two blokes mail me direct (after getting my addy off the wiki), I've managed to talk both of them through what they wanted to do

<C_Mooney> Or just randomly giving out a name and contact details to those who need help? Those willing to give help just sign up with name and contact details?

<andy101> more information on how to 'get involved' would be helpful, some things take way too much work upfront to tackle straight off

<Narrf> both were irc/maillist phobic

<LoudMouthMan> I do however feel we need to make it easy to find help in every format.

<LoudMouthMan> where format goes from people to screencasts to doc and wikis and irc.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> as a relative noob, i have found irc to be one of the best forms of help.

<X3N> we don't have any links with contractual support yet do we ?

<binary2k2> helping in #ubuntu #kbuntu etc... is sorta the same as the Ubuntu Buddy concept, in a way

<LoudMouthMan> X3N . well theres the marketplace and im also on that.

<LoudMouthMan> so are we agreed to say we should drop the Ubuntu Buddy concept for now then and move to ensure we are all clear how to assist new members and new users .. dsas I think I had you email me something about this a week ago.

<popey> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets is also very valuable

<LoudMouthMan> and yuor score popey <grin>

<popey> I'd say we drop ubuntu buddy as a concept, but we continue to do what a buddy does

<Gizmo_the_Great1> maybe we should all add this irc channel to our signatures on ubuntuforums.org to publicise the channel and we can help from within the channel

<popey> support in various ways etc

<dsas> popey: +1

<LoudMouthMan> Gizmo thats a great idea.

<popey> and try to motivate people to continue to do that

<dsas> Gizmo_the_Great1: That's a good idea, you may want to link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam in there too

<C_Mooney> Gizo - bacng on

<constrictor> are you thinking about formalising the support people get on irc channels?

<popey> let people know that there are ways they can help

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] Drop Ubuntu Buddies concept in favour or better educatoin of channels of support ?

<popey> there already is an official support channel #ubuntu

<LoudMouthMan> is that correct ?

<popey> agreed

<dsas> is that education of the team, or education of the uhm, helpees?

<LoudMouthMan> wow im getting better at this diplomacy stuff <grin.

<LoudMouthMan> both !

<popey> everyone I guess

<popey> anyone can help

<dsas> ok. Cool.

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Wiki and IRC and Maillist awareness

<LoudMouthMan> Gizmo kinda just touched on this .

<Gizmo_the_Great1> yes there is ubuntu irc, but it gets VERY busy. uk specific users might prefer a more local irc ubuntu channel for helpo

<LoudMouthMan> but my thoughts are how to ensure new people know what to expect .. certainly our IRC channel conversatoin the other day reflected thatwith master ninja

<LoudMouthMan> okay 5 minutes on this one I feel .

<dsas> one idea may be to reorganise the front wiki page, our contact details are the bottom. which looks nice, but how many "newbies" read that far down.

<LoudMouthMan> It seems we are getting "better" at being aware of new users but as dsas just typed we do need to catch eyeballs earlier.

<LoudMouthMan> when we have a critical mass of new I suspect that educatin of awareness will be less required since it will be a meme or social network thing .

<andy101> It took me quite a while to find out about Ubuntu-uk, and I was only really looking because I was having a problem with Ubuntu, we need to get people aware of Ubuntu-UK before they have problems.

<LoudMouthMan> I like your idea though dsas and gizmo I also like the sig comment . Andy101 your point is my concern so I want to table this as a project I guess.

<dsas> if there's no complaints I'll reorganise the front page slightly sometime tonight unless someone beats me to it. Remember it's a wiki, you're all free to save me the work ;)

<LoudMouthMan> dsas none here.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> from my experience, i only found the uk tyeam by looking in the 'community teams' bit on ubuntu web site. I did not find it looking for help, but rather as a way to join in. Noobs need help so our 'banner' needs to be more public in the places they linger, which i feel is in thr fourms

<Narrf> [IDEA] Could we approach the UK Linux Mags to see if they'll plug us in the news bits?

<LoudMouthMan> [SUGGESTION] can we get a LOCO team contact banner in the HELP of the next release of Ubuntu ?

<popey> maybe we need a banner ad?

<LoudMouthMan> something based on your keyboard or language selection ?

<popey> or a pin or something to add to our blogs?

<LoudMouthMan> popey .. bloody good idea that !

<Narrf> popey: like the pin idea

<dsas> popey: I think there's ubuntu pins somewhere on the wiki, we can repurpose those.

<LoudMouthMan> okay i'll let this run a couple more for the ideas.

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: In the system-> help menu ?

<LoudMouthMan> dsas yeah.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> definately

<LoudMouthMan> wed beat so many other operating systems to the punch on that one .

<dsas> I *think* that was there, or at least mooted during the dapper development cycle.

<Gizmo_the_Great1> if tghey select uk for keyboard etc then we should appear. good idea

<LoudMouthMan> okay so .. shoudl we add this as a project ?

<dsas> There were complaints about help having two many menus.

<dsas> LoudMouthMan: Ok, we probably need to see what the desktop team say about that.

<LoudMouthMan> dsas . okay lets bench the issues.. but lets repress the value.

<LoudMouthMan> well we exist to help upstream understan local awareness.

<LoudMouthMan> so ..

<C_Mooney> [IDEA] Integration with the distribution : Not just our Loco, but all. If a user sets locality where there is a LoCo group then in the help section they should be informed of contact information

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] A Project to define who we will extend awareness of UKTeam and Ubuntu Support in other sectors such as Maillists, IRC, Forums and Wikis and especially BLOGS.

<LoudMouthMan> C_Mooney yeah my thoughts exactly .

<LoudMouthMan> nice one .

<LoudMouthMan> okay last topic .

<dsas> C_Mooney, LoudMouthMan: Ok, the value is good. I can point to who to talk to around those issues, we'll need buy-in from devels, other locos and stuff, it's likely a long termer

<Narrf> do we need a little sub-project to design and commission a banner/pin/button for out blogs?

<C_Mooney> dsas As long as its considered by those who can make a difference I don't care

<LoudMouthMan> [TOPIC] Charity Work. We did well on the TShirt . I like Children In need for its diversitty and internationalisatoin but should we do more or less nationally as a group .

<LoudMouthMan> oh MadDog sends his congratulations to everyone on the TShirt by the way.

<LoudMouthMan> ten minutes on this one !

<C_Mooney> What was the children in need idea

<Narrf> [IDEA] should we adopt a charity or two each year and concentrate on those

<popey> are we talking raising funds for chairty?

<dsas> Helping charity is a good thing. Selfishly thinking, it got the team publicity on the fridge too.

<popey> or going and helping with their IT?

<binary2k2> C_Mooney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/CharityWork/ChildrenInNeedTShirt

<C_Mooney> Oh right, now i remember

<LoudMouthMan> popey raising funds/donations is my idea

<LoudMouthMan> kinda like Comic Relied or CIN. its a two way thing with this.

<LoudMouthMan> you raise the funds and the charity bigs you up.

<C_Mooney> Are we going to take up the BugFix idea?

<GazzaK> [IDEA] Could we get involved in trying to help local youth clubs, most now have a IT Setup of some sorts and Ubuntu or Edubuntu could be great for that [/IDEA]

<popey> [IDEA] in time for feisty we get an iso burned to a gold disc - like record companies do.. and get it autographed, etc, and auction it

<popey> in a frame

<popey> you know the thing

<LoudMouthMan> Popey : fecking gold dust that one I love it !

<frederific_> popey: nice!

<frederific_> :)

<LoudMouthMan> all in favour say Heck Yeah !

<LoudMouthMan> heck yeah !

<JonRob> Heck Yeah!

<frederific_> Heck Yeah!

<andy101> Heck Yeah !

<popey> :)

<Narrf> heck yeah

<Gizmo_the_Great1> yeah baby yeah

<LoudMouthMan> okay so thats the next thing we do .. whose the charity ?

<Smiffeh> heck yeah!

<GazzaK> Heck No, I mean Yeah

<C_Mooney> OOOOOOOOoooo Yeah

<GazzaK> NSPCC?

<popey> amnesty international?

<popey> anyone really

<C_Mooney> Amesty International gets my vote

<popey> NSPCC is a good call

<LoudMouthMan> i'll move on that for you popey and and Amnesty if fine

<JonRob> amnesty would be good - about freedom etc

<Gizmo_the_Great1> sorry - whats feisty?

<GazzaK> NSPCC Please - personal reasons :-)

<popey> Gizmo_the_Great1: next release

<frederific_> Bill Gates Foundation?

<Narrf> Why don't we have a nomination and vote process

<popey> ok, we should vote at a meeting for the charity

<LoudMouthMan> hmm okay .. well heres my feeling doing it for the kids is a great winner since we need to win their freedoms.

<popey> yeah

<dsas> popey: wonderful idea.

<LoudMouthMan> popey good point . okay lets table thatone for the next meeting but we have time for it <grin>

<andy101> Do we know any big charities using Open Source/Free software (or Ubuntu)?

<JonRob> on the subject of charities etc, has any one considered using wiki/ubuntu-uk as a "pressure group"...

<LoudMouthMan> well not christian aid ! oops sorry .. lets stay on topic .

<JonRob> ...kinda like what happened with the edm on the mailing list recently

<LoudMouthMan> okay so we are agreed we want to set a defined lis of Charities for whom we will raise money for and agree these at the next meeting.

<C_Mooney> Agreed

<popey> or vote on the list or whatever

<JonRob> sounds good

<LoudMouthMan> everyone can raise a case on the wiki page and sign their interest onthe page I guess.

<Narrf> LoudMouthMan: ask for nominations on the mail list for next meeting

<LoudMouthMan> Narrf. yeah I'll work with dsas and we will get the Wiki working for us on that through the lists and the forums.

<popey> I'd suggest keeping the gold disc idea a bit quiet

<JonRob> as a surprise?

<Narrf> very quiet

<Narrf> :d

<C_Mooney> on a public IRC??

<popey> yeah, not publicly logged in irc :)

<LoudMouthMan> nice one . okay so we have the next goal .. and I will chat to Jono and see if we can get it into Marks mind .

<popey> well, not all over our wiki page

<LoudMouthMan> agreed.

<LoudMouthMan> okay well I think we coveredthat one better than I hoped.

<LoudMouthMan> [AGREED] Add to the agenda of the next meeting the charatie(s) for which we will raise money when opportunities arise .

<LoudMouthMan> Okay well are we concluded or is there any other business ( 2 mins to raise them )

<dsas> X3N: Can you setup polls on LP? We can use that to allow team members to vote, once we have nominations.

<X3N> yeah i think so

<popey> do it on the mailing list

<popey> that way people can have their say

<popey> it can be discussed properly

<andy101> but then someone has to count everything by hand

<binary2k2> or, do both