<Jester45> hi sheepy

<Jester45> whats your real name?

<Jester45> paul? rob? jacob? sheep?

<Jester45> im not a stalker

<cellofellow> Jester45: it's on his website. Something russian sounding.

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> must be why its taking so long to type

* cellofellow can't pronounce it or remeber it.

<Jester45> it like

<Jester45> asklfjgnwoeigujefbnefounrverjivnefgf vefmvqeiovjneavin

<Jester45> yep

<Jester45> i think its that

<cellofellow> lol

<Jester45> what names have avin at the end

<Jester45> polish?

<cellofellow> no idea

<cellofellow> huh. that's the second time this session xfdesktop crashed.

<ellioTb> what up

<cellofellow> ellioTb: you up for a game of Pioneers?

<ellioTb> whats that

<ellioTb> i just got q3 and enemy territory running nicely on here

<ellioTb> was pretty suprised

<cellofellow> ellioTb: settlers of catan. apt-get install pioneers.

<ellioTb> i am about to head out

<cellofellow> oh, ok

<ellioTb> gf's friend is in town, gotta go follow them around while they go to bars

<ellioTb> jealous? cause you shouldn't be

<cellofellow> I'm not.

<ellioTb> since i quit drinking, going to bars just isn't as fun as it used to be

<ellioTb> but i am out

<ellioTb> see ya later

<cellofellow> anybody know how to make sound be network transparent like X? I have my little sister playing a game over XDMCP and it's noisy here and quiet there.

<kalikiana> Does anybody have experience with (wlan) routers? Like what should I buy?

<cellofellow> Linksys all the way.

<kalikiana> cellofellow: i got a cheap offer for a Netgear router but i heard the material is indeed cheap; what would you say is Linksys like?

<icheyne> sudo apt-get install pioneers

<cellofellow> kalikiana: I have a netgear and it's ok. range isn't so great but hey it works.

<cellofellow> anyone want to play Catan? I have a server going.

<kalikiana> cellofellow: catan? like settlers?

<cellofellow> 3 more players

<cellofellow> kalikiana: yes. install pioneers lets go.

<cellofellow> anyone?

<cellofellow> I'm tired of playing bots, they don't trade.

<kalikiana> i fear i didn't play it for quite a while, i wouldn't be a good opponent

<cellofellow> hey, I haven't played in a while either.

<cellofellow> and when I do play bots, they win.

<cellofellow> 3 Players for Pioneers! (Settlers of Catan)

<cellofellow> !pionners

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pionners - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> !pioneers

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pioneers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> huh

<cellofellow> ok, make that 2 players and it's a short game, 8 points instead of 10.

<cellofellow> !pioneers-client

<ubotu> pioneers-client: computer version of the Settlers of Catan board game - client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.2-1 (edgy), package size 1189 kB, installed size 1952 kB

<cellofellow> there it is.

<cellofellow> no one wants to play?

<kalikiana> cellofellow: i looked up the website and hey, i might give it a try

<cellofellow> ok, the package is pioneers-client though, not pioneers

<cellofellow> :)

<kalikiana> only bad thing is the gnome-dependancy

<cellofellow> which?

<kalikiana> the whole lot of gnome(2) packages

<kalikiana> i'll have to overlook that for now

<cellofellow> I didn't install those.

<cellofellow> never mind I did. :/

<cellofellow> only one gnome package.

<kalikiana> i hope i still am a worthy opponent :P

<cellofellow> :) it'll be fun anyway.

<kalikiana> anything special to setup or just the defaults?

<cellofellow> just run the client and connect to a remote game. I'm there in the meta-server's list.

<kalikiana> gotcha :)

<cellofellow> :) I see you

<cellofellow> gee, that is fun.

<kalikiana> yep, it was cool

<kalikiana> although i lost miserably

<cellofellow> I tried to get a friend of mine to play, but she had windows and had to install a whole bunch of GTK stuff, so we quit trying.

<cellofellow> cellofellow: you weren't too bad. Play some online games and watch some too you'll get better. :)

<kalikiana> was that a self-compliment? *g

<cellofellow> No, cause I haven't been. It's a suggestion.

<cellofellow> :)

<cellofellow> I did aweful too.

<kalikiana> the dices were just not on our side

<cellofellow> I ended with herds of sheep.

<kalikiana> i'd like a second game, but winston is gone i guess

<cellofellow> he was a bot, died with the server.

<kalikiana> oh

<kalikiana> now i'm depressed

<cellofellow> server's back up :), Winston is back too. :(

<cellofellow> never mind, make that Jesse Ventura

<kalikiana> that's why he always said "One is better than none..."

<cellofellow> uh huh.

<kalikiana> i feel dumb now :P

<JKnife> ¿

<cellofellow> oh, come off it. the only reason there was a bot is this game doesn't work with two players.

<cellofellow> JKnife: Settlers.

<JKnife> o.O

<cellofellow> JKnife: wanna play?

<JKnife> never heard of it

<kalikiana> JKnife: join us :)

<kalikiana> pioneers-client

<cellofellow> JKnife: install pioneers-client and connect to my server.

<cellofellow> no bots this time.

<JKnife> don't have a package for it

<cellofellow> JKnife: pioneers-client is the package.

<cellofellow> You using FC?

<JKnife> no

* JKnife droped FC a while back

<cellofellow> good

<cellofellow> :)

<JKnife> :)

<kalikiana> what is FC?

<JKnife> fedora core

<cellofellow> JKnife: whatcha on?

<JKnife> not *nix

<cellofellow> oh, ok.

<JKnife> and not *dows

<JKnife> =\

<JKnife> 10$ says wrong button...

<JKnife> XD

<JKnife> cellofellow: i am also not on *dows

<kalikiana> JKnife: BeOS? :P

<JKnife> :\ i only run that in VMWare

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<cellofellow> JKnife: Mac?

<JKnife> close

<cellofellow> BSD?

<JKnife> gah i need mins. on my TracPhone...

<cellofellow> Wait, BSD and Mac are Nix.

<JKnife> no...

<cellofellow> Phone?

<JKnife> Trac Phone... prepaid phone

<cellofellow> You can do IRC on that?

<JKnife> no

<JKnife> it was just an off the wall remark

<cellofellow> DOS?

<JKnife> =\ i am using OpenBSD

<cellofellow> Why'd you say it wasn't *nix? BSD is so *nix.

<JKnife> BSD is not based off of NIX..

<JKnife> BSD is a AT&T internal product

<cellofellow> It's not?

<JKnife> or was

<cellofellow> Is BSD a *nix clone like Linux?

<JKnife> it is not a clone..

<cellofellow> BSD is a real UNIX then.

<cellofellow> Like Solaris.

<JKnife> it had been made to act like Unix/Linux but it is conpletly different

<cellofellow> Mac is built off of FreeBSD and is considered a UNIX.

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> Mac is built off of Mach kernel

<cellofellow> With FreeBSD.

<kalikiana> so they are all nix but not UNIX

* JKnife wonders where cellofellow got that OS X is FBSD based

* cellofellow wonders why JKnife says it's wrong.

<JKnife> cause it is =\

<cellofellow> You go prove me wrong. It may be Mach kernel but some components are FreeBSD.

<JKnife> OS X uses Darwin BSD

<JKnife> and the Mach Kernel

<cellofellow> ok. I guess I got the BSD bit mixed up.

<cellofellow> I thought Apple made the Darwin stuff.

<JKnife> =\ i was wrong..

<JKnife> WTF did they use FBSD 5?

<cellofellow> Ha!

<cellofellow> And made Darwin from that and put OS X on top of that.

<JKnife> but why FBSD?

<kalikiana> because it's ordered well?

<kalikiana> unlike gnu/linux

<JKnife> =|

<JKnife> the soon to be dead NetBSD would have been a better choice

* darrend wonders why JKnife says BSD is "conpletely different" from *nix when their own website says "based on BSD UNIX" and "derived from BSD UNIX"

<darrend> is there a distinction I'm not aware of?

<cellofellow> True UNIX is AT&T and AIX, SOlaris, stuff like that.

<darrend> BSD UNIX is also "True UNIX" as you call it. So if something is both based on it and derived from it, how can it also be described as completely different from it?

<somerville32> join #xubuntu-devel

<somerville32> gah

<darrend> that was my point

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<irvin> wikipedia is nice

<irvin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix.svg

<JKnife> darrend: i do not see *BSD and *nix as the same =\ i should have made it clearer

<cellofellow> Why? *nix meens different variations of UNIX like Linux. UNIX meens true UNIX like AT&T and BSD.

<moyote> JKnife, how would you compare the learning curve between Linux and BSD??

<JKnife> moyote: Linux is much easier

<moyote> JKnife, well, at least I'm not a total idiot then. :-) Tried some time ago, but gave up. Just not enough patience or time.

<kalikiana> JKnife: do you prefer BSD over linux?

<JKnife> kalikiana: depends

<cellofellow> JKnife just likes to try new things.

<JKnife> for gamming Linux for a stable desktop BSD

<JKnife> Linux just has the best OGL support outta *nix

<Jester45> i like windows for gaming

<kalikiana> i read you can compile the whole 'world' in one go, sounds cool :D

<JKnife> =\ if you wanna do that..

<cellofellow> kalikiana: your turn on pioneers

* JKnife thinks this is OT

<moyote> JKnife, does BSD use different window managers?

<JKnife> moyote: no

* JKnife is in gnome right now

<moyote> JKnife, in linux or BSD? :-)

<JKnife> bsd

<irvin> moyote, you can choose any window manager you like

* JKnife thinks this is OT\

* JKnife joins -offtopic

<Jester45> do you guys know where to find a udp port scanner

<Jester45> webbased to check my port forwading

<JKnife> ./join #xubuntu-offtopic

<JKnife> if you wanna keep talking about this

<Jester45> hehe

<cellofellow> Jester45: I think SheildsUP might work

<Jester45> whats the website

<cellofellow> grc.com

<Jester45> sheilds up is only for tcp

<cellofellow> :(. That's why I said might.

<cellofellow> Google....

<Jester45> googles doesnt help

<cellofellow> what you google for?

<Jester45> udp port scANNER

* ubuntu_ looks around

<kalikiana> use exalead :D

<Jester45> !telnet

<ubotu> telnet is not safe. Please use ssh instead. See !ssh

<cellofellow> but telnet works OK in local net.

<cellofellow> No X forwarding though.

<Jester45> whats it do

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<JKnife> Jester45: it is hard to explain

<JKnife> simple

<JKnife> it is everything and nothing by itself

<JKnife> try reading the man page

<Jester45> im good

<Jester45> man page is to long

<JKnife> well it is a very indepth program

<Jester45> aka to long

<cellofellow> that was fun.

<kalikiana> yep, it was a fair victory i admit

<cellofellow> longest road helps a lot.

<kalikiana> my big city and bricks on a 12 were not so good

<jeffreyb> can someone explain why Openoffice 2.04 writer is part of Xubuntu and how can I remove it?

<cellofellow> kalikiana: yeah, it would have been the fluke of the day getting bricks from that.

<kalikiana> jeffreyb: you can remove OOo via synaptic

<jeffreyb> i tried but it wants to remove xubuntu-desktop and that sounds like something I wouldn't want to do

<JKnife> it is ok

<JKnife> xubuntu-deskto = metapackage

<kalikiana> just remove xubuntu-desktop

<jeffreyb> i guess i'll give it a try... here goes... thanks

<kalikiana> although on my pc there is no dependancy on OOo

<Jester45> mine to

<Jester45> didnt like edgy so im drapper

<Jester45> till feisty maybe

<kalikiana> weird

<kalikiana> i think OOo isn't 'leightweight' anyway

<kalikiana> so why is it in dapper xubuntu then?

<Jester45> itsnot in drapper

<Jester45> or wasnt

<kalikiana> i thought you were on dapper?

<Jester45> i am

<kalikiana> because i'm on edgy and have no OOo

<Jester45> i installed at 6.06.0

<Jester45> there is 2 diffrent iso versions

<Jester45> 6.06.0 and 6.06.1

<Jester45> maybe .1 has oo

<Jester45> o

<kalikiana> that is so confusing :P

<kalikiana> what did you not like in edgy?

<Jester45> it broke my X

<Jester45> then broke my systems sanity

<Jester45> then all my settings

<kalikiana> oh - no way to fix?

<kalikiana> i thought only certain parts were weird such as wlan

<cello_rasp> kalikiana: updated the search script

<Jester45> hey cello

<cello_rasp> also you might want to change your translations to read 'Date Modified' rather than 'Date'

<cellofellow> hey

<cello_rasp> hi jester

<Jester45> whats the rasp for

<kalikiana> cello_rasp: i'll check it out; maybe i might change it, i was undecided about that :/

<Jester45> you 2 are confusing me :)

<cellofellow> lol

<cello_rasp> hehe

<kalikiana> a new world religion ;)

<cello_rasp> i guess im a little more abrasive than cellofellow

<Jester45> fellow mellow

<cellofellow> Jester45: ha ha. my email is mellowcellofellow

<JKnife> @ msn.com

<cellofellow> gmail

<Jester45> dont make me get my clones in here

<Jester45> ask JKnife about them

<JKnife> -_-

<Jester45> im @nerdshack.com

<cellofellow> I didn't know Microsoft once had a UNIX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix.svg

<JKnife> really?

<JKnife> they bought it just never released it

<Jester45> @nerdshack.com (-the :)

<Jester45> oops

<cellofellow> Looks like they sold to SCO.

<Jester45> format was messed up

<cellofellow> Jester45: clones? Like Jester44 and the like?

<cello_rasp> you can clone gmail addresses like Jes.ter

<DARKGuy> Greetings! I have a small question... I recently tried to download Xubuntu 6.10 but I mistakenly downloaded 6.06... after it finishes installing, it's possible to upgrade to 6.10 just as if it was a normal 6.10 installation?

<cello_rasp> new accounts, but both recieve the same emails I beleive

<cellofellow> huh.

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: oh, yes.

<cello_rasp> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?

<JKnife> o.O

<DARKGuy> Oh, that just does it? I thought it was something more :P

<JKnife> OMG ».« OpenBSD RXVT can do utf8

<DARKGuy> Then I'm happy xD

<DARKGuy> However, do I need to add any optional repos? cello_rasp, cellofellow?

<Jester45> DARKGuy: you have to change the apt .list

<Jester45> from drapper to edgy

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: you have to modify a little file, and then update, then upgrade.

<Jester45> then dist-upgrade

<DARKGuy> Ah, I see, change all dapper to edgy then dist-upgrade, correct ?

<JKnife> cellofellow: that Unix chart is old =\

<Jester45> cellow wheres the file

<cello_rasp> huh. I thought it was a lot simpler than that

<cellofellow> DARKGuy: yeah, but update first to apply the changes.

<Jester45> DARKGuy: yes

<Jester45> ok

<DARKGuy> Alright! thanks you all, cellofellow, cello_rasp, Jester45 :)!

<cellofellow> JKnife: it's old, I noticed, but still shows the major branches.

<Jester45> do you know what to edit?

<DARKGuy> Yup, sources.list

<JKnife> and Darwin is not linked to FBSD in it XD

<Jester45> wheres teh *ubuntu branch

<JKnife> Jester45: under Linux

<cellofellow> JKnife: yeah, I noticed that too. But hey, close enough. It's SVG and Wikipedia so it is editable.

<Jester45> really?

* JKnife wonders if HURD will ever be released

<JKnife> Jester45: it is OSes not distros

<JKnife> kernels*

<cellofellow> Kernels more like, but if that were so, there wouldn't be MacOSX just Darwin.

<JKnife> =\ well they do not have room for all the Linux branches

<cello_rasp> link to tree plz

<JKnife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix.svg

<cellofellow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix.svg

<Jester45> just noticed DARKGuy said "Alright! thanks you all, cellofellow, cello_rasp, Jester45" why does cello get thanks twice

<JKnife> :) i win

<JKnife> Jester45: cello_rasp != cellofellow

* DARKGuy thought cello_rasp wasn't cellofellow xD

<JKnife> he isnt

<cellofellow> :)

<Jester45> lol

<cello_rasp> heh

<JKnife> =¦

<DARKGuy> Oh, yay xD

<Jester45> he is ans isnt

* JKnife slaps Jester45

<cello_rasp> actually we are the first nodes of a highly intelligent botnet but dont tell the ops

<JKnife> :)

<somerville32> hehe

<DARKGuy> Lol :P

<Jester45> ops dont like bots?

<cellofellow> Too bad Dreamworks switched all over to MacOSX, cause it would have been funny if Happy Feet, a penguin movie, was made on Penguins.

<Jester45> duoble penguin power

<DARKGuy> Penguin^2!

<cellofellow> Penguins RULE!

<DARKGuy> There should be a Penguin FPS game

<somerville32> There probably is

<JKnife> -_-

<Jester_rasp> hellow

<cello_rasp> i think tux has been ported to every possible genre already

<Jester45> hi

<somerville32> And I have a Penguin plush as the mascot for my room, haha

<DARKGuy> Penguin T-Shirts, Penguin bed covers, Penguin MP3 players... oO

* JKnife double slaps Jester_rasp and Jester45

<cello_rasp> lol

<Jester_rasp> hey

<Jester45> hey

<cellofellow> Never mind, it's not Dreamworks it's Warner Bros. It is rendered (most likely) on Penguins wearing Red Hats!

<Jester_rasp> not nice

<DARKGuy> !

<Jester45> not nice

<Jester45> stop jester45

<Jester45> not funny

<DARKGuy> Now that's messed

<Jester_rasp> yes it is

<JKnife> "12:29 [freenode] >>>> Jester45 (n=ryan@d16-108.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net)" "12:29 [freenode] >>>> Jester_rasp (n=ryan@d16-108.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net)"

<DARKGuy> The guy with the red hat should be the bad guy! (?)

<JKnife> ^_^

<Jester45> i used irssi

<Jester45> easy

<cellofellow> RedHat or Novell bad guy?

<DARKGuy> Um..

<JKnife> RedHat = a good company

<DARKGuy> There could be two bad guys, and a sequel (?) :P

<cellofellow> What about M$.

<JKnife> they have givin a LOT to the opensource people

<cello_rasp> i don't think there are any render farms that aren't OSS based actually

<Jester_rasp> redhat= bad package system

<DARKGuy> yup o.o

<DARKGuy> M$ is like, the Darth Vader guy

<cellofellow> RPM sucks.

<DARKGuy> oO RPM isn't too bad... it's just... messed :/ .Deb ones rule :P

<cellofellow> M$ is the Emporer, SCO darth vader, Novell is Lando (gets tricked into doing the wrong thing.)

<JKnife> .pkg.tar.gz rocks

<cellofellow> and Tux is Luke@

<cellofellow> !

<DARKGuy> xD

<DARKGuy> Ahaha

<kalikiana> cello_rasp: thx for the update, i updated my translations now (i noticed i had forgotten one string in es anyway)

<cellofellow> RedHat is Han

<cellofellow> He so need a Software Wars movie/web-video.

<cellofellow> s/He/We

<Jester45> JKnife: can you tar a pkg.tar.gz?

<cello_rasp> kalikiana: cool!

<JKnife> Jester45: umm yeah

<Jester45> get a .tar.gz.pkg.tar.gz

<JKnife> -_-

* JKnife triples slaps Jester45

<cellofellow> double-compression doesn't work too well. Don't gzip gzips or jpegs or mpegs cause they already compressed.

* Jester45 notices all the slaps and laughs at JKnifefor hitting like a girl then get a bat

<DARKGuy> Yay, Xubuntu finished installing *reboots*

<cellofellow> Ubuntu installs so fast. I love it.

<DARKGuy> And BTW... <.< the Xubuntu install CD -so- needs a chat client :( I had to log in using ircatwork.com :P

<DARKGuy> brb ^^

<DARKGuy> Yush :D

<Jester45> cellofellow: doing nonlossy compresson a a mpeg or jpeg is good

<JKnife> DARKGuy: gaim

<JKnife> and it includes IRSSI IIRC

* DARKGuy has never used gaim for IRC oO

<cello_rasp> cellofellow nothing makes me weep hot heavy tears more than warez compressed into 50-split spanned rars, 3 times over. With passwords. I have seen it, oh yes.

<JKnife> cello_rasp: yeah that pisses me off

<cello_rasp> just for 3 Mb extra.

<cellofellow> yikes

<JKnife> one reason i switched to fserves and torrents

<cello_rasp> usenet is still great though.

<cellofellow> how would I make tarballs cut into zip100 sized files?

<Jester45> cello i quad zipped a jpg then rared it twice for fun

<cellofellow> Jester45: did it come out alright?

<cello_rasp> Jester45 i used to hunt monstres like u for fun

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> it did

<Jester45> at a -3% compression

<cello_rasp> hah

* cellofellow wonders if there's a network version of nethack

<JKnife> cello_rasp: another thing that pisses me off is people that do not test there own uploads -_-

<cello_rasp> multiplayer?

<cellofellow> yeah

<JKnife> cellofellow: umm nethack is a rogue D&D game

<cellofellow> JKnife: yeah, I know. Maybe more like WoW or Runescape, just text like nethack.

<Jester45> JKnife: i have a iso uploading now that im useing also :)

<cello_rasp> impossible, you would have to wait for each person to do s/thing before the next turn. imagine that with thousands of people

<cellofellow> ok, not turns.

<cello_rasp> nethack is still 'turn' based :\

<JKnife> it is

<JKnife> =|

<cellofellow> why is it called Nethack? No network or hacking involved.

<JKnife> cellofellow: just go play WoW on a private server =\

<irvin> is there an upstream xfce developer who's also involved in xubuntu development?

<JKnife> irvin: not that i know of

* cellofellow doesn't have WoW. :(

<Jester45> somerville32: is

<JKnife> they all use lunarlinux

<Jester45> i think

<DARKGuy> Download it oO

<Jester45> ooo

<JKnife> cellofellow: it is a free download

<Jester45> xfce dev

<cellofellow> it is?

<Jester45> DARKGuy: open a terminal and type irssi -n DARKguy

<JKnife> yes

<somerville32> Wah?

<somerville32> Whats going on?

<JKnife> you just have to buy the 40$ key and 15$ a month

<DARKGuy> Jester45: command not found :P

<Jester45> DARKGuy: then type /connect irc.frenode.net

<Jester45> really

<DARKGuy> Yup :(

<cellofellow> try irc

* DARKGuy apt-gets irssi

<JKnife> :)

<Jester45> isnt irssi default

<kalikiana7> no

<cellofellow> thought it was.

<JKnife> YAY another one transfers to irssi

<DARKGuy> It isn't here :(

<Jester_rasp> irssi is fun

<DARKGuy> Ohhh

<DARKGuy> fun

<DARKGuy> brb xD

<Jester_rasp> lol

<Jester_rasp> come to the darkside

<kalikiana7> irssi is cli :-o

<JKnife> jester lose the clone

<JKnife> kalikiana7: and?

<JKnife> irssi is just plain AWSOME!

<Jester45> JKnife: you jealous

<JKnife> Jester45: no..

<kalikiana7> i prefer xchat, might be a matter of gusto

<Jester45> of

<Jester_rasp> our

<Jester45> cloneiness

<kalikiana7> my doulbe is gone :P

* cellofellow uses irssi, on JKnife's recommendation

<JKnife> :)

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<DARKGuy_> Oh well, sucky!

<DARKGuy_> it doesn't let me use my DARKGuy nick ¬¬

<JKnife> cellofellow: you ever find you a theme?

<JKnife> DARKGuy_: ?

<cellofellow> cause it's already logged in.

<Jester45> it grows on you

<cellofellow> JKnife: yup

<DARKGuy_> :(

<JKnife> /msg nickserv ghost DARKGuy <password>

* DARKGuy_ waits :P

<kalikiana> DARKGuy_: you'll need to wait some minutes

<cellofellow> JKnife: DARKGuy_ has no password

<JKnife> o.O

<DARKGuy_> I guess o.o

<JKnife> he isn't reged?

<JKnife> -_-

<cellofellow> bet not

<JKnife> ohh well sucks for you

<DARKGuy_> this one isn't, the other is :P but it's logged in somehow oO

<DARKGuy_> ah

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<JKnife> ghosted it

<JKnife> :)

<DARKGuy> There

<somerville32> /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>

<DARKGuy> :D

<DARKGuy> Oh- hey, I read the Xubuntu 6.10 has XFCE 4.3.99.1 ?

<JKnife> DARKGuy: yeah

<cellofellow> that's 4.4beta2

<DARKGuy> JKnife: Yay, then they just forgot to update the firefox start page for the Xubuntu 6.10 install CD

<DARKGuy> 'cause it still says 6.06 oO

<JKnife> DARKGuy: old news, there is even a bug report about it

<DARKGuy> JKnife: Heh, too noticeable for not being reported :P (of course, -after- install ¬¬)

<JKnife> :)

<somerville32> File a bug report and I might fix it, haha :P

<DARKGuy> Lol xD

<JKnife> somerville32: it IS filed

<Jester45> why doesnt drapper get the new xfce?

<JKnife> cause dapper sucks

<Jester45> things like this confuse me

<kalikiana> because it's stable

<JKnife> hehe

<kalikiana> Jester45: use the installer

<Jester45> so when the new xfce comes out

<JKnife> brb smoke break

<Jester45> the one now will be on drapper

<JKnife> shoulndt be

<kalikiana> it'll not be on dapper, except anyone makes a backport

<Jester45> whats backport for

<Jester45> i dont know these things

<somerville32> !backports

<ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports

<DARKGuy> Hm, a normal dist-upgrade also gives me the nVIDIA drivers? or do I have to install them separatedly?

<cellofellow> no

<cellofellow> you have to install those anyways.

<Jester45> you might what the better ones

<DARKGuy> Yup

* cellofellow thinks that isn't going to be that way for Feisty. Right?

<cellofellow> Feisty will have proprietary drivers, right?

<DARKGuy> Hm, I'm planning to use www.ubuntuguide.org for installing the nVIDIA drivers - or should I try something else? I'm kinda scared xD because I once tried to install the official nVIDIA ones and it screwed up saying my nvidia kernel was having conflicts with my kernel version and all that heck, so I wanna be sure :P

<JKnife> back

<DARKGuy> Welcome back JKnife

<JKnife> cellofellow: they all do

<JKnife> =\

<cellofellow> I meen included.

<Jester45> whats after feisty?

<JKnife> Jester45: feisty+1

<Jester45> frisky?

<cellofellow> g-something

<kalikiana> giggling goose :D

<cellofellow> adjective first, not verb.

<Jester45> kalikiana: i like it

<kalikiana> cellofellow: gross goose ?

<JKnife> growing girl?

<Jester45> giggling goose is better

<JKnife> what is a eft?

<cellofellow> It's a newt, after it leaves the water, before it grows up and goes back to the water.

<JKnife> ohh ok...

<DARKGuy> brb

<somerville32> :]

<Jester45> whats gonna be z

<Jester45> zippy zebra

<cellofellow> Sweet.

<kalikiana> or tasty tiger

<cellofellow> I say P shoulb be Proud Penguin.

<kalikiana> that's a good one

<kalikiana> or tart tux?

<cellofellow> Proud Penguin for when Ubuntu is more popular than M$ WIndow!

<cellofellow> Tart?

* kalikiana hates to compile just to avoid gnome-dependencies

<kalikiana> tart ~ sour, sulkily

<cellofellow> kalikiana: pioneers?

<cellofellow> kalikiana: why tart? sounds stupid.

<kalikiana> cellofellow: yeah, i found out it compiles perfectly w/o gnome :(

<cellofellow> huh

<kalikiana> cellofellow: just forget the tart, just a quick idea

<cellofellow> oh, well, it's only a couple MB's of GNOME stuff.

<kalikiana> so why do they compile with gnome support?

<kalikiana> gnome adds a lot of memory

<kalikiana> apart from spacer

<kalikiana> and it's a waste

<cellofellow> kalikiana: you us checkinstall to make install the source? if you did I want the .deb in made.

<kalikiana> cellofellow: of course checkinstall; only i am not sure if it can make correct dependencies

<cellofellow> just send the deb file, if you can find it they sometimes hide.

<kalikiana> just a moment --> installing

<globe> does anybody know of a decent unrar program, preferrably GUI based?

<JKnife> get unrar-free and Xarchiver should use it

<cellofellow> I think Xarchive can unrar if you install rar from multiverse

<cellofellow> or that

<Jester45> just ue the cli version

<Jester45> unrar e (drag drop file)

<globe> do either of these support extracting from a partial set (ie, I am missing an archive in a set of 4)?

<JKnife> globe: yeah, should

<globe> okay. how do I get Xarchiver to use unrar?

<JKnife> it should by itself

<Jester45> aaa im getting a headache

<globe> ...it is telling me that I dont have the proper archiver installed (I apt-get'ted unrar already).

<Jester45> looking for a iso for an os

<kalikiana> cellofellow: any idea where to upload it or an email?

<JKnife> Jester45: what os?

<kalikiana> cellofellow: btw it's all-in-one, including GUI server

<cellofellow> kalikiana: mellowcellofellow@gmail.com

<Jester45> windows vista

<Jester45> wanna try it

<cellofellow> ok

<JKnife> -_- microsoft.com

<JKnife> sign up there and get a beta key and the iso

<Jester45> whats the diffrence of x64 x86

<JKnife> 64bit or 32bit

<Jester45> dose ms.com have the iso?

<JKnife> yes

<Jester45> cool

<Jester45> could you find this

<kalikiana> cellofellow: mail is uploading, may take a moment

<Jester45> i can look somemore

<JKnife> Jester45: cost ya money for making me goto Microsoft.com

<cellofellow> kalikiana: :)

<globe> whats a good ftp client in apt?

<Jester45> !ftp

<ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd

<Jester45> try gftp

<globe> heh...thx

<JKnife> lftp

<JKnife> o.O

<Jester45> so... do you know where to get the key and iso

<JKnife> beta.microsoft.com ?

<cellofellow> I think since the Beta is over that's over too.

* Jester45 starts up TPB

<JKnife> Jester45: if you can find the iso on like mininova i have 2 keys here from a while back

<somerville32> I hope you guys aren't talking about installing Vista :P

<JKnife> somerville32: Jester45 is

<cellofellow> Jester45 is

<JKnife> you know be better then that

<Jester45> somerville32: no im not...

<somerville32> !windows

<ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents

<somerville32> :)

<Jester45> !vista

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vista - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> !longhorn

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about longhorn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Jester45> f this

<cellofellow> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<Jester45> im gonna get longhorn

<cellofellow> longhorn is 2007 Server

<globe> Is there some setting I have to do to get xarchiver to use unrar or unrar-free? .... they are installed but it still tells me that I do not have the proper archiver.

<JKnife> Jester45: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx

<Jester45> no

<Jester45> im donewith vista

<JKnife> o.O d/l links are there

<JKnife> longhorn = vista -_-

<Jester45> IM DONE WITH THEM

<cellofellow> I thought longhorn == 2007 Server

<Jester45> to hard to find dl installings gonna be a pain

<JKnife> cellofellow: no.. longhorn was the codename

<cellofellow> o

<globe> "The Customer Preview Program is now closed"

<JKnife> =\ ohh

<Jester45> globe: torrent trackers arnt

<cellofellow> M$ just wants money.

<globe> :-)

<Jester45> yep

* Jester45 agrees with jester

<globe> ... -_-

* JKnife needs a cool theme for gnome =\

* globe suggests a beryl based theme...convinces others to not get all excited over vista

<Jester45> xubuntu's theme

<cellofellow> gnome-look.org

<JKnife> cellofellow: i am there ^_^

<JKnife> globe: umm OpenBSD does not do OGL =\

<JKnife> first up, gdm themes

<globe> JKnife: ouch....unfortunate

<JKnife> umm.. no, OpenBSD is not ment to use opengl

* globe ponders life without opengl....

<JKnife> now for a gtk2x theme

<JKnife> globe: umm normal

<Jester45> i want directx

<Jester45> better

<globe> ?

<JKnife> Jester45: what is wrong with you?

<globe> first vista, now this?

<Jester45> thats onething windows has over linux and they need to fix that

<Jester45> vista is a homo

<Jester45> winlinux

<Jester45> is that real?

<Jester45> winux

<JKnife> lindows was

<Jester45> thats a good one

<somerville32> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<Jester45> oo

<Jester45> that one is good also

<Jester45> lol

<Jester45> its a fact of life

<JKnife> time for some icons

<Jester45> anyone know how to install games with cedea

<Jester45> !cedega

<ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega

<JKnife> !idiot

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about idiot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<somerville32> !coc

<ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/

<JKnife> !somerville32

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about somerville32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> :)

<somerville32> hehehe

<JKnife> !ubotu

<JKnife> :(

<JKnife> !ubotu

<JKnife> o.O

<somerville32> You can message ubotu and talk with it via pm to play with it

<JKnife> *can*

<JKnife> ok.. bbl

<somerville32> :]

<JKnife> o.O i can not connect to gmail because the encryption connection is invalid

<JKnife> =\ that is poo

<DARKGuy> Hi, anybody knows about a program that can limit my bandwidth? I'm on ADSL and I share it with my brother, sooo I need to somehow set up a bw cap for upload/download. Is there any program that can do that? (like Netlimiter - and I've tried apt-cache search bandwidth with no avail)

<JKnife> DARKGuy: most routers will let you do it through them

<DARKGuy> JKnife: I have no router, just a switch, and a modem oO

<DARKGuy> JKnife: er, 8-port hub, not switch xD

<JKnife> no clue then

<DARKGuy> Oh well

<DARKGuy> Thanks anyways xD

<JKnife> ^_^ who is using irssi again? i got somethin they need to try

<JKnife> preview.tinyurl.com/ymj69f

<somerville32> You should have put http:// in front

<somerville32> So that I didn't have to click, drag, and copy :P

<JKnife> -_-

<JKnife> ok.. that is a pain...

<JKnife> it doesn't scroll then the screen gets full

<Commander-Crowe> was there a netsplit?

<somerville32> No

<somerville32> Freenode attack

<JKnife> brb

<somerville32> :]

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<Commander-Crowe> MUAHAHAHAHA

<Commander-Crowe> MY PROGRAM WORKS!!!!!!!!!

<somerville32> :]

<somerville32> Whats your program do?

<Commander-Crowe> a lot of stuff

<Commander-Crowe> wanna test it out?

<somerville32> Sure.

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> gimmie email address

<somerville32> cody.somerville@gmail.com

<Commander-Crowe> ok sent

<Commander-Crowe> oh

<somerville32> Whats the oh?

<Commander-Crowe> remember to not run it with sudo until you've seen what it does

<somerville32> Returning e-mail with bug report <g>

<Commander-Crowe> its not a bug

<Commander-Crowe> all you have to do is sudo before the command

<somerville32> Ah.

<somerville32> You should check for privs though

<Commander-Crowe> now you do understand why you shoud ladd source and bin right?

<Commander-Crowe> privs?

<somerville32> right

<somerville32> privileges

<somerville32> aka rights

<somerville32> permission

<somerville32> lol

<somerville32> It shouldn't die on an exception, it should give a friendly error message

<somerville32> :]

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> yeah its still in production

* somerville32 nods.

<somerville32> :]

<omkar86> How to disable workspace switching on mouse scroll in xfce?

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<somerville32> Wow

<somerville32> I love Gobby

<somerville32> :D

<vinze> Hey

<Commander-Crowe> ha

<Commander-Crowe> !google Gooby

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google Gooby - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<DARKGuy> Greetings, anybody knows how to remove the nVIDIA official drivers safely for installing an older version?

<vinze> OO, Gobby looks cool, like Google Docs or Zoho Writer, but then on the desktop :D

<vinze> What do you guys think about this: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/81

<somerville32> lol

<somerville32> Doh

<omkar86> can I disable workspace switching on scroll ?

<omkar86> in xfce4

<DARKGuy> I think

<DARKGuy> omkar86: right-click the pager and click Properties

<DARKGuy> omkar86: uncheck the box shown in the new window which says "Change between workspaces using the mouse wheel"

<omkar86> DARKGuy: ohh its that simple

<omkar86> thnaks

<DARKGuy> omkar86: welcome :)

<vinze> http://www.xubuntu.org/news/openweek

<somerville32> :)

<somerville32> Anyone want to gobby with me? haha

<vinze> Perhaps at home, I want to try it ;)

<somerville32> Poor bug 1

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1

<somerville32> Someone vandalized it!

<vinze> Oh no!

<vinze> Probably some OpenSuse guy :P

* somerville32 was thinking the same thing.

<vinze> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/57

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]

<vinze> April Fools :P

<vinze> This is why: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/75

<somerville32> Oh god -_-

<vinze> Duh

<vinze> Let's hope Edgy solves it

<vinze> :P Don't think so

<DARKGuy> Hi, is there a way to stop all pcspeaker beeps in the entire linux? (not just in X/XTerm/Terminal/etc)

<vinze> Wait, I'll look it up

<vinze> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=126746

<vinze> Does that help?

<DARKGuy> Let me see vinze, thanks for the link :)

<vinze> NP

<DARKGuy> Hm, I think that does it for the moment :D thanks vinze ^^

<vinze> Great :D

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<vinze> g2g bye

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<DARKGuy> Hi again xD; does anybody here has a dual-monitor setting? I'm trying to get the apps from the left monitor shown on a task list and the apps on the right monitor to be shown on another task list, but separated from the left monitor... like, to only show the tasks on the current monitor. Any ideas?

<TheSheep> DARKGuy: what with the tasks that have a window here and a window there? or ones that have a window that shows on both monitors?

<DARKGuy> TheSheep: The ones that, say, are on the right monitor, and the task button is shown in the left monitor

<DARKGuy> TheSheep: I tried using two separated panels, one for each monitor, but then I get double task buttons from the same window in both panels :/

<ephemeros> hello \m/

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<kel> Hi.

<irvin> hello

<kel> It seems that my wifi card works.

<kel> How do I configure WPA Password?

<irvin> !wifi

<ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs

<irvin> i hope the docs can help you out since i don't use a wifi card :)

<ephemeros> anyone knows what should i do to post a poll on ubuntuforums?

<ephemeros> i wrote the text, checked the "Yes, post a poll with this thread" box,

<ephemeros> but i cannot see where i cand enter the poll options

<gnomefreak> ephemeros: might have better luck in #ubuntuforums channel

<ephemeros> thank you gnomefreak, i'll put here the link, it is a cool poll :D

<ephemeros> the poll is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307197

<kel> Does anyone know how do I setup auto login so that I don't need to type in a password on boot up?

<Zeqfreed> huh, today's topic is quite short :)

<JKnife> yeah

<Zeqfreed> i have an interesting question for you

<JKnife> ok..

<Zeqfreed> i've tried out few games today

<JKnife> and?

<Zeqfreed> and they seem to run slowly

<Zeqfreed> i'd say really slowly

<JKnife> what games? and system specs?

<Zeqfreed> lincity for instance

<Zeqfreed> have you heard of it?

<JKnife> yeah

<JKnife> open source version of sim city right?

<Zeqfreed> yup

<Zeqfreed> so my quiestion is do i have to do something to enable opengl acceleration and other things which would make games run faster

<JKnife> i think it uses SDL if so do you have OpenGL installed?

<JKnife> what video card do you have?

<Zeqfreed> GeForce 6600 GT :)

<JKnife> run "glxinfo | grep direct" and does it say yes?

<JKnife> if it outputs nothing changedirect to Direct

<Zeqfreed> direct rendering: No

<Zeqfreed> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect

<JKnife> ahh ok

<JKnife> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx

<JKnife> then run

<TheSheep> and sell your soul :)

<JKnife> sudo sed -i 's|nv|nvidia|g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf

<JKnife> TheSheep: sounds like he doesn't care as he is trying to use Linux for games :)

<TheSheep> JKnife: you could at least explain :)

<Zeqfreed> omg, what have i done? :)

<JKnife> Zeqfreed: restart X11

<JKnife> and dingo OpenGL is installed

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: what's wrong with nvidia-glx?

<JKnife> Zeqfreed: non free

<JKnife> as in it is not GPL

<Zeqfreed> JKnife: ok. i'm still downloading it. be patient ;)

<JKnife> dingo? haha ment bingo

<Zeqfreed> and what's wrong if it's not GPL?

<JKnife> TheSheep: :) see i was right

<Zeqfreed> :(

<JKnife> Zeqfreed: non gpl = normal user has less rights.. developer has more right

<JKnife> Zeqfreed: gpl = normal user has more rights.. developer has less right

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: the problem is not that it's not GPL, the problem is that it's a binary package prepared by the nvidia and you really don't know what code is there

<JKnife> TheSheep: most users do not know what code is in the linux kernel

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: it has security issues, memory bloat issues and stability issues

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: i see. i don't think this is really soooo bad as you describe

<JKnife> Zeqfreed: TheSheep = GPL fanboy XD

<JKnife> j/k

<TheSheep> well, I have regular kernel panics when using the nvidia driver and enable agp

<TheSheep> and it's independet of kernel

* JKnife has never had a kernel panic because of the nvidia driver

* Zeqfreed hopes he will never have a kernel panic :)

<JKnife> ohhh, i need to check up on a project.. Zeqfreed let that run then run that sudo sed command

<Zeqfreed> does ATI provide its own binary drivers too?

<JKnife> now yes

<JKnife> for older cards there is a nice GPL driver that comes with X11

<Zeqfreed> JKnife: yeah, sure. thanks for your help

<JKnife> but ATI has more problems with Linux then nVidia

<Zeqfreed> i'm a lucky one then :)

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: but something is better than nothing. don't you think so?

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: unless that 'something' blocks development of a real solution

<JKnife> XD openbsd songs FTW!

* JKnife ducks

* JKnife can not remeber the project name

* Zeqfreed doesn't want to argue with TheSheep

<TheSheep> nouveau or something

* Zeqfreed respects TheSheep's point of view

<JKnife> TheSheep: do you know the name of the project that is writing the nvidia driver from scratch and is releaseing it with the GPL?

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: I don't say "don't use it". But I think that you should be aware of the situation, not just blindly follow some howto :)

<TheSheep> JKnife: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39

<TheSheep> wrong

<TheSheep> sorry

<TheSheep> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

<JKnife> that is it

<JKnife> thanks

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: yeah thanks. now i know what i need to know :)

<JKnife> =\ and in that song why does OpenBSD care about nvidia?

<JKnife> openbsd does not support opengl

<JKnife> or nvidias drivers

<TheSheep> JKnife: they do care about freedom

<TheSheep> JKnife: and the threat of binary blobs in general

<JKnife> good point =\

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<slifer> elo

<slifer> kto zna sie w 100 % na xubuntu ?

<TheSheep> slifer: Bog

<TheSheep> !pl

<ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl

<JKnife> freaking polish users XD

<slifer> sorry

<JKnife> slifer: :) it is ok.. you can hang out here

<JKnife> only if you could read that :)

<JKnife> =\ guess not

<TheSheep> I wish I didn't have to be ashamed of my fellow poles :(

<JKnife> why do you have to say that?

<TheSheep> JKnife: say what?

<Zeqfreed> huh

<Zeqfreed> games run faster but animated cursors flicker :)

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: enable hwcursor in the xorg.conf

<JKnife> "02:33 <TheSheep> I wish I didn't have to be ashamed of my fellow poles :("

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: in which section?

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: device, where you have your 'nvidia' driver

<TheSheep> JKnife: because I really wish

<JKnife> ok..

<JKnife> it is my of is the OpenBSD 4.0 song the most vulgure one yet?

<TheSheep> vulgure?

<JKnife> non clean...

<TheSheep> JKnife: I don't think 3.1 is very clean

<JKnife> why do you say that?

<JKnife> "Cybersluts vit undead guts"?

<TheSheep> maybe it's that I'm not a native speaker

<JKnife> maybe

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: swcursor helped :) hwcursor is the default value

<JKnife> :)

<Rost> hello

<JKnife> HI!!!!

<Rost> I've got a problem installing xubuntu on my laptop

<JKnife> ok.. don't tell us you have a problem.. tell us the problem

<Rost> the screen just goes blank after the splash

<Rost> tried vga=771

<JKnife> system specs?

<Rost> Ati Mobile X700, PM 740

<Rost> Acer Travelmate 4102

<JKnife> and have you tried the Alt Install cd?

<Rost> nope

<Rost> will this fix it?

<JKnife> it is a text based install cd.. how much ram does the laptop have?

<Rost> 512

<Rost> MB

<Rost> I

<JKnife> it sounds like GDM is not starting =\ not sure why

<Rost> me neither

<Rost> I'll give the text install a go

<Rost> thanks

<JKnife> it is just a black screen? no BSOD?

<Rost> just a black screen

<JKnife> strange =\

<Rost> monitor doesnt scan I guess

<JKnife> got it up right now?

<Rost> the install?

<JKnife> or are you on the laptop?

<Rost> yes

<Rost> eh

<Rost> I have the installer running now

<JKnife> so it is at the black screen right?

<JKnife> press CTL+ALT+F1

<Rost> ok

<JKnife> login.. u/n: ubuntu

<JKnife> no password just press enter

<Rost> ok

<Rost> I was in the boot menu, now starting the installer

<JKnife> ok

<JKnife> let me know when you get logged in

<Rost> rgr

<JKnife> logged in?

<Rost> the screen goes blank, but the installer seems to continue

<Rost> cd spins, hdd led flashes

<Rost> ctrl-alt-f1 is allready logged in

<Rost> so im there

<JKnife> run "ps aux | grep gdm"

<Rost> ok

<JKnife> did it display something other then the ps aux command?

<Rost> jep

<JKnife> killall -9 gdm

<JKnife> sudo killall -9 gdm

<Rost> done

<JKnife> run "startx"

<JKnife> any errors?

<Rost> "Server is allready active"

<JKnife> sudo killall -9 Xorg

<Rost> x starts

<Rost> and screen goes blank

<JKnife> press CTL+ALT+F1

<Rost> ok

<JKnife> any errors or anything?

<JKnife> hi somerville32 !

<Rost> Error Opening dev/wacom

<Rost> but that doesnt sound really bad

<JKnife> nope.. it is ok to ignore that one

<Rost> and some could not init font paths

<JKnife> ignore those

<JKnife> that is it?

<Rost> can't see errors above the wacom things though

<JKnife> ^C

<somerville32> Hi Jknife! :D

<somerville32> Gak!

<JKnife> and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"

<somerville32> Why was the topic changed?!

<JKnife> somerville32: C-C did it

<JKnife> =\

<JKnife> guess he was being stupid

<somerville32> I almost nodded :P

<Rost> autodetect?

<JKnife> how come you do not have a ubuntu/member vhost?

<JKnife> Rost: yes

<Rost> should I use the ati driver?

<JKnife> try the vesa

<JKnife> dont wanna take chances as we do not know what the problem it

<Rost> x starts now

<JKnife> ok.. it seems Xorg was not set up right ^_^

<Rost> think it doesnt probe my monitor right

<JKnife> low ugly res?

<JKnife> if so it might be the vesa driver =)

<Rost> its working fine now

<Rost> I meant the default installer

<JKnife> ok.. when yuo get it installed come back and we will work on getting the ATI driver working

<Rost> ok

<Rost> thanks!

<JKnife> no prob

<somerville32> Does anyone have the old channel topic in a log or something?

<JKnife> no.. i had logging disabled =\

<JKnife> crimsun should

<JKnife> he never leaves ^_^

<somerville32> Oh!

<somerville32> I think when frenode crashed...

<somerville32> Yeah, that must be it!

<moyote> !xchat

<ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB

<somerville32> lol

<somerville32> I was just thinking the same thing

* somerville32 kicks Konversation in the butt.

*** Jester_rasp is now known as Jester45

<Jester45> hi

*** somerville32_ is now known as somerville32

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> problems?

<JKnife> somerville32: don't forget this topic and be sure to add in #ubuntu-xgl for beryl/compiz/whatever support ^_^

<somerville32> You can set it if you'd like :]

* JKnife doesn't remeber what aall needs to be included

* somerville32 is cold.

<JKnife> turn on the heat

<JKnife> somerville32: o.O i can not change the topic

<JKnife> ./topic Welcome to Xubuntu | www.xubuntu.org | Pastebin: http://www.pastebin.ca | Please follow CoC: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | "/j #ubuntu-xgl" for help with XGL/AIGLX and compiz/beryl | and PLEASE state the problem not that you have a problem

<JKnife> won't let me =\

<somerville32> There appears to be a topic lock

<somerville32> Which is odd

<somerville32> Gah

<JKnife> yeah.. i wonder who did it?

* somerville32 stabs freenode.

<somerville32> This isn't working right

<JKnife> =\

<Jester45> i have a problem

* JKnife slaps Jester45

<Jester45> :)

<somerville32> lol

<somerville32> Whats your problem?

<Jester45> idk

<Jester45> just poking fun of the topic

<JKnife> somerville32: "nd PLEASE state the problem not that you have a problem" is what i was gonna add to the topic

<JKnife> and*

<JKnife> Jester45: well it is not the topic =\

* JKnife can not set it

<Jester45> well

<somerville32> haha

<Rost> yay

<JKnife> Rost: :)

<JKnife> it working now?

<Rost> did I cause the extra topic line?

<Jester45> i dont like join the channel and ask a question right away without asking something else or talking first

<Rost> Installation just finished

<JKnife> Rost: not just you -_-

<Rost> rebooting

<JKnife> Jester45: well this IS a help channel

<JKnife> it is what it is for

<Rost> I was typing out my problem, but had some issues formulating it right ;)

<JKnife> :)

<Rost> thats why it took a while

<Jester45> JKnife: i still dont like it

<Jester45> #ubuntu is more like a help channel

<JKnife> #ubuntu is a poopoo channel

<Jester45> to me this channel is more of help/chat

* JKnife hates going there and avoids it

<PuMpErNiCkLe> #ubuntu, #kubuntu, and #xubuntu are help channels. -offtopic is the discussion channel.

<Rost> nice, the screen doest go blank and I see the login screen!

* Jester45 thinkgs people in ubuntu type to much

<JKnife> thank you PuMpErNiCkLe

<Jester45> yes i know

<somerville32> Btw

<JKnife> Rost: now we need to find you someone that can help you set up the ATI driver

<Jester45> but we arnt helping anyone now but are still in the help channel

<somerville32> I'm finally back on my normal Xubuntu comptuer <g>

<Rost> the oss driver, or the fglrx driver?

<JKnife> Jester45: umm do you not see Rost?

<JKnife> Rost: either one you want

<Rost> ok

<JKnife> your pc your choice

<Rost> indeed

<Jester45> rost who? i s\dont see him

<Rost> fglrx it is

* JKnife pokes somerville32

<Jester45> !oss

<JKnife> you have an ati card right?

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<somerville32> JKnife: Hmm? :)

<Jester45> whats oss

<JKnife> open source software

<Rost> jep, a Mobile Radeon X700

<Jester45> whats fglrx

<JKnife> FSF, GNU, etc are OSS groups

<JKnife> Jester45: closed source ATI drtiver

<JKnife> driver*

* Jester45 likes BNU

<Jester45> GNU*

<Rost> with dri

<JKnife> Rost: i was asking somerville32 if he had a ati card :)

<Rost> aha

<Jester45> i dont have one

* JKnife pokes somerville32 until he replies

* Jester45 helps JKnife

<JKnife> =\ Rost you ever set up fglrx?

<Jester45> !fglrx

<ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto

<JKnife> there ya go

<Jester45> thats no help

<JKnife> :)

<Rost> nice

<Jester45> what is fglrx

<JKnife> Jester45: ati driver

<Jester45> o

<JKnife> binary only

<Jester45> i knew its a driver

* JKnife sighs

<somerville32> I have an S3/SGI card

<JKnife> ohh

<JKnife> well you are no help then XD

<Jester45> i have Nvidia

<Jester45> it rocks

<JKnife> Jester45: get it right it is "nVidia"!

<somerville32> My other computer has an nVidia card.

<Jester45> no you get it right

<JKnife> -_-

<Jester45> Nvidia

<JKnife> =\ i just noticed my floor is covered in empty marlboro 27 boxes and burnt cds

<Jester45> smoking is bad for you

<JKnife> i have been told that

<Jester45> you should stop

<JKnife> ehh it is ok.. i am gonna get hit by a bus XD

* Jester45 thinks JKnife has ben told that also

<Jester45> anyone here using mirc?

<JKnife> -_-

<JKnife> WTH

<JKnife> irssi ftw!

<Jester41> wow

<Jester41> weird

<Jester41> lol

<JKnife> no, what is weird is you asking if someone uses a Windows IRC client in a Linux help channel

<Jester41> i was in f1 using irssi and i decided that i would check on whats going on in X so i switch and noticed that gaim was open and loged in to this cannel

<Jester41> and gaim noramly has the jeser45 nick and the irssi has the clones

<Jester45> and i was away while gaim was starting so i didnt see my clone join

<Jester45> so when i looked at gaim i was thinking wow

<Jester45> irssi took over gaim

<Jester45> freaked mw out till i said something with gaim

<Jester45> JKnife: do you remeber my friend jamesz?

<JKnife> no..

<Jester45> he was in here with mirc

<Jester45> he didnt have xubuntu installed so he couldnt be on linux irc clients

<JKnife> irssi and xchat = multiplatform ^_^

<Jester45> im thinking about making one of my old computers into a xubuntu server install

<Jester45> for fun

<Jester45> gaim is mutialso

<JKnife> ok bbl..

* JKnife goes watches heros

<Jester45> but then it isnt a linux only client just possible linux

<Jester45> im in irssi now but you wouldnt know that i was in linux or windows

<Rost> yay

<Rost> xchat ftw :P

<Jester45> untill i told you what i did with gaim

<Jester45> i dont like xchat to many windows and tabs

<Jester45> i dont like a lot of things

<Jester45> mainly JKnife

<Jester45> jk i love you

<Jester45> ..... not

<Jester45> im bored

<Jester45> be back later

<Rost> bye

<Rost> JKnife, fglrx driver installed, and running the correct resolution

<Rost> thanks for the help

<somerville32> I want to play conquest. If anyone is interested in playing with me, see #xubuntu-offtopic

<Rost> dri working as well

<Rost> thanks and bye

<ellioTb`> what up

*** ellioTb` is now known as ellioTb

<somerville32> Hey ellioTb :]

<ellioTb> sup somerville32, hows it goin

<somerville32> Pretty good. How are you? :]

<somerville32> !botsnack

<ubotu> Yum!

<somerville32> :)

<ellioTb> good man, thanx

<somerville32> Watcha up to?

<ellioTb> you know how to do a "test" with glxgears

<ellioTb> can't think of the word

<ellioTb> benchmark! aha

<ellioTb> man, i am just chillin, waitin till the ceramics studio opens so i can go work on my final project

<somerville32> :)

<somerville32> glxinfo has lots of info

<ellioTb> yeah, but you can get "points" from glxgears

<ellioTb> but when i run it, it just goes forever

<ellioTb> i figured out that my vid card doesn't need the drivers from ati

<ellioTb> and gets 3d accel w/the ubuntu drivers

<ellioTb> so i got enemy territory rockin on here yesterday

<somerville32> Was it fast?

<ellioTb> which is good cause my geforce 6800gt went out on my main comp

<somerville32> :]

<ellioTb> so i am down to one gamin comp, and had to switch a 5500 to replace the 6800gt

<ellioTb> it was kinda fast

<ellioTb> quake3 has about 70fps

<ellioTb> ET was around like 40

<ellioTb> which is a lil painful

<somerville32> Then you might not have 3d acceleration

<ellioTb> but i made my friend play on here, while i was on my main comp

<somerville32> Not full 3d acceleration that is

<ellioTb> yeah, it should have been a lil better i assume

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 82.3% free] disk[Total : 19.74GB, 67.50% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<ellioTb> i REFUSE to put xp on here just for gaming though

<somerville32> <g>

<somerville32> Gaming in linux isn't that bad anyhow :)

<ellioTb> thats the only reason i have it on my main comp

<ellioTb> counter strike and adobe cs2

<somerville32> adobe counter strike 2?

<somerville32> I didn't know they made that game :P

<ellioTb> lol

<ellioTb> i saw smoe1 had it going w/wine

<ellioTb> err some1

<ellioTb> i bet its hella slow though

<somerville32> What are you trying to run?

<ellioTb> adobe photoshop, illustrator cs2

<somerville32> Use gimp!

<somerville32> Counter strike 2 runs natively on linux

<ellioTb> cstrike source does now?

<somerville32> And there are tons of alternatives for illustrator too

<ellioTb> yeah, when you take an illustrator and photoshop class though, they usually like it done in those

<somerville32> Tell them you refuse to use proprietary software on moral grounds

<ellioTb> lol

<ellioTb> yeah, just havent had time to teach myself gimp or inkscape yet

<ellioTb> inkscape? is that right?

* somerville32 shrugs.

<somerville32> I'm a programmer, not an artist <g>

<ellioTb> i was, but i switched

* somerville32 grins.

<ellioTb> cs major to digital photography

<ellioTb> i still dabble in php though

<ellioTb> somerville32, whats your fav language

<ellioTb> or one your proggy in the most

<somerville32> Hmmm...

<somerville32> I do Java, Python, LPC, Pike, JavaScript, etc. etc... I guess it all depends on what I'm doing.

<somerville32> Some languages are better then other languages for certain tasks

<ellioTb> i did some java in school

<ellioTb> i spent about a year writing some software in my spare time in php

<ellioTb> sold it to attorneys in my home town

<webmind> I just added a boot script.. but it doesn seem to get executed

<ellioTb> all it did was save them a LOT of time

<ellioTb> basically was just a script

<somerville32> I gotta run

<somerville32> gah

<webmind> anyone have any ideas on this ?

* somerville32 waves.

<ellioTb> webmind, where did you add it

<ellioTb> later somerville32

<cloakable> How well will Xubuntu 6.10 run with a 300MHz CPU and 320MB RAM?

<ellioTb> cloakable, there are some people in here that run on about that

<ellioTb> a guy with a 366 and 128mb of ram

<ellioTb> cloakable, i would try booting from the xubuntu live cd

<ellioTb> see how slow that is, and just image it a bit faster

<ellioTb> since it doesn't have to decompress on the fly when its installed

<cloakable> Ahh.

<webmind> ellioTb, /etc/init.d/ en then symlinked in rcS and rc2

<webmind> with S39 infront of it

<cloakable> And how do I replace gdm with xdm? I want to save RAM as much as possible.

<ellioTb> webmind, i put my stuff in rc.local, not sure about rcS and rc2

<ellioTb> cloakable, not sure about xdm

<cloakable> Ahh.

<ellioTb> cloakable, i think i know

<ellioTb> might be as easy as an "sudo apt-get install xdm"

<webmind> ellioTb, thing is I need to do it before gdm

<ellioTb> and perhaps remove gdm

<cloakable> Cool. Will give it a try, then.

<ellioTb> cloakable, yeah, put it in rc.local

<ellioTb> webmind, before? like before gdm ever runs?

<cloakable> Ahh.

<webmind> ellioTb, yes

<webmind> ellioTb, because else it'll move from the users view

<webmind> unless you know a way to ask for user input before login ?

<ellioTb> webmind, i think there is a boot flag maybe?

<webmind> pardon ?

<ellioTb> to boot to a terminal and not start gdm

<webmind> but I want to start gdm

<ellioTb> oh, i am confused

<webmind> thing is I need to ask the user for something before he logs in

<ellioTb> ahh

<ellioTb> like his/her favorite color?

<webmind> no

<webmind> like the passphrase to /home

<ellioTb> hrmm

<ellioTb> isn't that managed by users?

<webmind> no ?

<webmind> it's mount ed by root

<webmind> but since it's encrypted it needs a passphrase

<ellioTb> so you want to keep people from browsing home

<webmind> no

<ellioTb> lol, sorry man, just having a hard time figuring it out

<webmind> well anyone except the owner yes

<webmind> ok

<ellioTb> might wanna wait for a *real* guru

<ellioTb> i don't know enough about the whole user system and /home

<ellioTb> never paid attention to it since i am the only one who uses my comps

<ellioTb> cept my gf

<webmind> well same here

<ellioTb> you need one of those paranoid guys, like JKnife

<webmind> except I want to protect the system from outside snoopers

<ellioTb> ahhh

* webmind pokes JKnife

<ellioTb> put up a firewall

<webmind> uhm, not like that

<webmind> from people who manage to get access to the hardware

<ellioTb> like lurkers that break into your house

<webmind> yes

<webmind> or steal the laptop

<ellioTb> yeah, you need a paranoid guy

* webmind is usually that

<ellioTb> cause if my laptop got stolen, i would just be worried about having to buy a new one

<webmind> but this doesn't seem to respond as debian usually does

<webmind> getting a new one is usually the least of troubles then :)

<ellioTb> what doesn't respond

<Jester45> how do you start the opengl client for conquest

<ellioTb> Jester45, who you talkin to, lol

<Jester45> anyone

<ellioTb> oh, what is conquest, game?

<Jester45> mainly somerville32

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> !conquest

<ubotu> conquest: a real-time, multi-player space warfare game (curses client). In component universe, is optional. Version 8.2-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 87 kB, installed size 300 kB

<ellioTb> ahh, the one that replaced freecraft

<Jester45> freelancer is the best

<Jester45> but its a winsows game

<webmind> ghmm it does execute the script

<webmind> kinda

<ellioTb> gdm?

<ellioTb> just get a usb HD, and take it with you

<webmind> doesnt work

<Jester45> ellioTb: take what with?

<webmind> anyway.. it seems like the rc output is filtered

<ellioTb> the usb hard drive, i was talkin to webmind

<Jester45> i know

<ellioTb> Jester45, did you look in the forums for something about conquest

<Jester45> no

<Jester45> i dont have that ablity

<ellioTb> lol, why not

<Jester45> im stuck in cli and the cli web browser sucks

<ellioTb> lol

<ellioTb> is there a conquest room, lol

<Jester45> o well

<ellioTb> what u trying to do again

<ellioTb> i'll search for ya

<Jester45> somerville was gonna play me

<Jester45> but he is gone

<Jester45> guess i will go play farcry

<ellioTb> play enemy territory instead

<Jester45> cube engine games

<ellioTb> u ever play CSS?

<Jester45> on et you die to quick

<Jester45> i couldnt install it it

<ellioTb> you gotta get good

<ellioTb> i got it rockin on this xubuntu laptop

<Jester45> i thimk i wil stick to wc3 farcry freelancer and all the CnC games

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> and xiods

<Jester45> !xoids

<ubotu> xoids: Asteroids game with powerups and color graphics. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5-16.2 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 140 kB

<Jester45> ooo

<ellioTb> xoids? any good

<Jester45> color

<Jester45> yes

<ellioTb> you like frozenbubble

<Jester45> i have it short cut to pause/break

<Jester45> never played

<webmind> ellioTb, I'm looking for a more end user oriented solution, something that works decent for a laptop, buying extra hardware is not a solution

<Jester45> webmind: forwhat

<ellioTb> he is trying to make it so you can't browse /home w/o a password

<ellioTb> but like super safe

<webmind> Jester45, I want to mount my encrypted /home before login

<webmind> ellioTb, it's not 'super' safe

<Jester45> webmind: add the command to the rc.local script

<ellioTb> webmind, super compared to me

<Jester45> ellioTb: me to

<ellioTb> i would check the forums, sure they have something in the how tos

<ellioTb> if not, try #ubuntu

<ellioTb> a million people in there

<Jester45> ellioTb: my password is my username

<webmind> Jester45, but at the time that rc.local gets executed after gdm ?

<Jester45> and my username is my name

<webmind> er

<webmind> rc.local gets executed after gdm

<ellioTb> y ever play this game

<ellioTb> http://eager.back2roots.org/SSHOT/N/neuromancer.png

<Jester45> no

<Jester45> remeber i cant go to websites

<Jester45> now i have to go

<Jester45> if somer comesback tell him i will be on in 2 hours

<ellioTb> who somerville?

<Jester45> bye bye

<ellioTb> ok

<Jester45> yes

<ellioTb> adios

<iqloo> Hiho all

<ellioTb> they got WoW working with wine, i bet all the nerds are happy

<soon> Howdy folks ... trying out xubuntu for the first time ... (b4: ubuntu, gentoo, fedora etc) - why does synaptic not allow me to uninstall abiword and gnumeric without also removing xubuntu-desktop ?!?