<MattJ> How do I enter special characters?
<TheSheep> MattJ: can you be a little more specific?
<MattJ> Like in Windows... Alt + <keycode>
<TheSheep> MattJ: how special and where?
<MattJ> Very special :)
<TheSheep> MattJ: enable the compose key
<MattJ> Which is where?
<TheSheep> MattJ: whereever you set it to be
<TheSheep> MattJ: I'd recommend using the capslock key
<MattJ> Where do I set it?
<TheSheep> MattJ: no idea, in xorg.conf probably, tell me if you find out ;)
<MattJ> ^^
<MattJ> TheSheep: xmodmap -e "keycode 66 = Multi_key"
<MattJ> Thanks :)
<MattJ> Though I'm not sure it's what I expected
<MattJ> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-174435.html
<MattJ> That doesn't work, but I think it did in Dapper
<sensei> lol.. I just saw my first Rugby match ever.. and da-amn, they made american football players look like old ladies with knitting kits!
<sensei> .. with all their protective gear that is
<somerville32> <g>
<sully86> how do i set my default browser?
<TheSheep> sully86: settings->prefferred applications
<jason0_> I just built the wavelan plugin and did a make install, but I'm not seeing it when I go to add new item. Is there anything special I need to do?
<TheSheep> jason0_: where did it install?
<jason0_> TheSheep: /usr/local/share/xfce4/panel-plugins
<TheSheep> jason0_: make a link to /usr/share/xfce4/panel-plugins
<jason0_> TheSheep: how can i just tell it to install it in the correct place?
<TheSheep> jason0_: --prefix=where-to-install
<TheSheep> jason0_: when you do ./configure
<jason0_> so in this case --prefix=/usr/share
<TheSheep> no /usr
<TheSheep> ./configure --prefix=/usr
<TheSheep> then it can put some files to /usr/bin and some to /usr/share, etc.
<jason0_> Okay, I'll give that a shot. Thanks.
<jason0_> Hm.. still can't see it
<wayne> jason0_: for my own information, why do you build yourself the wavelan plugin instead of using the one from xubuntu's distribution?
<jason0_> wayne: The current release package has a bug that prevents it from recognizing my wireless card. Looks like it was fixed in version 0.52
<wayne> i see
<wayne> maybe you could install the one from xubuntu, and then build your new plugin and overwrite the file? perhaps the build process is omitting something that the apt-get install would take care of for you
<sully86> how can a friend send me his screen with vnc if we both are behind routers?
<Buddha|> TheSheep - you still around?
* somerville32 waves goodnight.
<wayne> sully86: fixing the router is probably your only choice
<wayne> any recommendation for a good, lightweight GUI ftp client?
<drbreen> rxvt with ftp ;)
<wayne> you missed the word "gui" :)
<wayne> it's just that i have to move the same files back and forth over and over again, typin their names with terminal ftp would be a waste of time
<sc0tt_> script it?
<wayne> well it's MOSTLY the same files but they vary a bit
<wayne> i'm a cli guy normally but this operation is best done in gui
<drbreen> o.0
<drbreen> there is no operation best done in GUI
<drbreen> for images there is script-du or image magick
<drbreen> s/du/fu
<wayne> that's a very bold statement
<drbreen> yeah but moving files is a very CLI type of thing
<wayne> given that you have no idea what i have to do, you make a lot of assumptions
<drbreen> regarding my non-experience (duh), in GUI its typically difficult to grab only files that have exactly three 'X's and are larger than 45MB
<wayne> grabbinb files that have three x's is not what i need to do
<drbreen> then use konqueror ;)
<drbreen> why "lightweight" ?
<wayne> then WOW that was like 20 lines ago that I asked that simple question
<wayne> lightweight cause this laptop is puuunyyy :(
<drbreen> oh i forgot
<drbreen> i am in #xubuntu
<wayne> ah yeah heh
<wayne> ah least this gives a new life to this old machine
<drbreen> mhhh...
<drbreen> have u tried gftp ?
<wayne> i found kftpgrabber, looks small
<drbreen> many ppl don't like it
<wayne> if this one doesn't do it, i'll try it thanks
<drbreen> haph luck
<wayne> if all else fail, know of a good cli ftp client? with features like recursiveness
<drbreen> uh-oh
<drbreen> perhaps it's my own stupidity or it's my inability to read properly at 3:21 am but what exactly do you mean with "recursiveness" ?
<wayne> that tcan download folder X and everything under it
<wayne> or upload
<drbreen> ah
<drbreen> could be possible with mget on simple 'ftp'
<drbreen> but i don't know
<wayne> so i'll stick with GUI for now then
<drbreen> or mput respectively
<wayne> so far, KFTPgrabber is very neat. simple, quick, light
<wayne> haha oh my ! Abuse of the pop up balloon :)
<wayne> xfce's taskbar has the notification are or something with orage and battery and whatnot.. kftp is flashing every second because a new file is done hehe
<wayne> and it concludes by crashing :( damn
<drbreen> rofl
<drbreen> orage is the king
<wayne> well i guess i'll just use my wife's windows laptop instead and be done with this shit
<wayne> i'll give a try to gftp first
<wayne> drbreen: well so far i like it. Why do people say they don'T like gftp?
<wayne> it could be multithreaded though
<drbreen> i fo not know
<drbreen> they just don't like it
<drbreen> like one does not like windows xp LUNA styl
<wayne> k
<Jester45> !XGL
<ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
<Jester45> is it faster with opengl or what
<ellioTb> woohoo! borat is out
<Nameless-One> O.O
<Jester45> whats ip passthrough
<ellioTb> google it!
<ellioTb> hehe, jk, i dunno
<sully86> borat has been out a couple weeks lol
* ellioTb was talking about a GOOD *download*
<ellioTb> i saw it in the theatre's opening night
<ellioTb> was waiting for that movie for years
<Lilandra> hey, so i installed xubuntu edgy and FC6 and realized that xubuntu had a (larger?) resolution than fedora...and i didn't know why. so i experimented and copied FC's xorg.conf to xubuntu and...things were now tinier (larger resolution?) but...on xubuntu it doesn't fit on a screen completely...there's about some slide. what i want to know is how do i get higher resolutions on xubuntu?
<Jester45> if you have a lcd screen try useing the auto ajust button on it
<Jester45> might fix the "not fitting on screen"
<Lilandra> old crt
<Jester45> o
<Jester45> well you can manually move the screen over
<Jester45> and increase/decrease it
<Lilandra> i tried but it..oh..the move...hmmm...i was trying
<Lilandra> okay i will try that again later
<Lilandra> but why would it work on fedora with no fiddling?
<Jester45> settings
<Jester45> fc could be telling it to start an inch to the right
<Jester45> while xubuntu says stay put
<Lilandra> oh!
<Lilandra> sounds a tad bit right, i know that even with ubuntu, debian, knoppix on the same system...and same xorg...things...look...different...as in positioning
<Lilandra> i will try to see if i can modify it again
<Lilandra> but why doesn't xubuntu recognize that my monitor can do the higher resolutions?
<Jester45> i think it can ask the moniter
<Jester45> or its dose trial and error
<Lilandra> oh ok
<Jester45> i know my friends xp machine setes itself higher than his moniter can go and the moniter shuts off
<Jester45> but in xubuntu it only showed the max
<Lilandra> heh
<Jester45> how high is yours trying to go
<Nuked> can anyone point me to a definitive guide where I can enable beryl in xubuntu
<Nuked> using aiglx
<Nuked> and xubuntu is not the primary wm
<Lilandra> it goes 1024x something....but...i will check what fedora is
<Jester45> i cant
<Jester45> im useing 2840 × 1895 1024 was so small
<sully86> can someone sugguest how i can view network files in xubuntu?
<Nuked> anyone?
<Lilandra> fedora is 1600x1200
<Lilandra> i wouldnt mind that
<sully86> i mounted a share with smbmount but can't see the files in the share
<Commander-Crowe> whats a good pdf writer application?
<Jester45> !pdf
<ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, evince and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
<Nuked> yeah but he asked what creates them
<Jester45> i waS HOPEING IT WOULD TELL ME
<Lilandra> i use pdflatex
<Jester45> oops caps lock
<Lilandra> or i use openoffice and print to pdf
<Lilandra> export to pdf, sorry
<Lilandra> or i create pdf files via latex/pdflatex
<Commander-Crowe> you can do that with OpenOffice?
<Lilandra> Wait, doesn't OpenOffice export to pdf?
<Lilandra> file > export to pdf?
<Lilandra> export as pdf
<Lilandra> the other thing i was talking about was i create files in LaTeX and run it thru pdflatex
<Commander-Crowe> eh
<Lilandra> eh?
<Commander-Crowe> openoffice is easier
<Commander-Crowe> eh=yeah in Canadian
<Lilandra> yeah! :)
<Lilandra> but i didn't know what kind of file you wanted! :)
<Lilandra> and most things can probably print to postscript and i think there are ps 2 pdf converters around
<Commander-Crowe> text applications and forms is all I need
<Commander-Crowe> it works fine
<ellioTb> whats the command to check free disk space?
<Lilandra> df ?
<ellioTb> yeah, thanx
<ellioTb> df -h
<Lilandra> well i use -h...i dont know if others do..im lazy
<Lilandra> :)
<ellioTb> this old server of mine has a much bigger hd than i though
<Lilandra> lol
<ellioTb> u see the new 300GB cd's coming out
<ellioTb> wow
<ellioTb> 20MB/s transfer rate too
<Commander-Crowe> Blu-ray or HDdvd?
<ellioTb> holographic cd's
<ellioTb> and they are working on 800GB and 1.5TB ones too
<ellioTb> with 40MB/sec xfer rates
<Commander-Crowe> ok
<Commander-Crowe> gonna go now
<Lilandra> k
<Nuked> how can I get beryl to run on xubuntu?
<Nuked> I have it installed and using aiglx
<Nuked> but it wont run on xubuntu
<Nuked> how do I get it to work
<PuMpErNiCkLe> What are you doing to run it?
<Nuked> beryl-manager
<Nuked> should I use beryl and emerald instead
<PuMpErNiCkLe> use 'killall xfwm4 && beryl-manager' instead
<Nuked> thats it?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Because xfwm is a compositing manager, beryl usually refuses to start.
<Nuked> ahhhhh
<Nuked> ill try iy
<Nuked> t
<Nuked> PuMpErNiCkLe: excellent!
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Nuked: cool
<Nuked> very
<Nuked> I dont use that water plugin thing though
<Nuked> never got it to work
<cellofellow> exit
<Lilandra> so i managed to make my resolution right for my login and my login alone...how do i make it so for gdm?
<Nameless-One> O.O
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<Surghi> hi
<maxamillion> hello all
<bigfuzzyjesus> hello world
<maxamillion> hi hi
<nante> lol, hi bigfuzzyjesus
<nante> im new to ubuntu, and im told to download xubuntu because i have an older pc
<bigfuzzyjesus> whats going on in this room
<bigfuzzyjesus> yeah
<bigfuzzyjesus> its a solid flavor of ubuntu
<maxamillion> nante: that's not the only reason to use xubuntu imo, but yes ... you should
<nante> the install went ok, and i read some faqs on how to make the serial mouse go
<bigfuzzyjesus> im on a 900 mhz celeron with 256 of ram and it runs like xp on my 1.6 p4
<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: nothing at all ... been quiet since i logged in
<nante> i have trouble with enabling the nvidia glx something
<nante> it says md5 error, i dont know how to work around it
<maxamillion> i run xubuntu on powerful machines that would make childs play of gnome, i just prefer xfce
<nante> is there a way to download the nvidia stuff to make it work on my pc at home?
<maxamillion> nante: its just a bad download ... re-do "sudo apt-get update" and try again
<nante> pc at home, no internet
<nante> pc here at school, have internet
<nante> is there a way to transport it at home?
<nante> anyway, i'll be back after class, i left my stuff at the classroom just to peek here, nice community :P
<maxamillion> nante: uhmmm... yeah, but you would have to make sure you installed the nvidia-glx dependencies first
<Lilandra> there's webpages with the dependencies...i forget and u just have to make srue to click almost all the lnks to download what u need. it's a pain but idid it once
<Lilandra> 'night all
<bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, way to make me jealous
<bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, what kind of "powerful machines"?
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<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: home machine is an Athlon64 3200+ w/ 1gb ddr ram, nvidia geforce 6200 (nothing special, but can handle gnome) .... work machine: Athlon64 X2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, nvidia geforce 7900+ (power house), and my older iBookG4 1ghz, 768mb of ram, 32mb ati mobility 9200 (again, nothing special but still able to handle gnome with ease)
<bigfuzzyjesus> ass hat
<bigfuzzyjesus> lol
<bigfuzzyjesus> i hate you
<pilibeen> maxamillion: do you do graphics work?
<maxamillion> pilibeen: nope, i'm just a student position sys-tech for my university ... that's just the machine they gave me
<maxamillion> pilibeen: i'm a full time student (computer science major)
<bigfuzzyjesus> i have a pc with a athlon64 1200+ with no ram (need to get some) and a nvidia geforce 6200 i can oc it up to 2.5 and it has a 120 gb drive, bought it for 20 bucks just need some cheap ram :(
<bigfuzzyjesus> have any ram for cheap
<bigfuzzyjesus> i want a gig
<crimsun> Pentium 233 MMX, 80 MB RAM.
<crimsun> so shush.
<bigfuzzyjesus> the pc im on right now is 900 mhz and my pc with xp is 1.2 ghz with 256 ram and a nvidia 5600 (it sucks donkey balls)
<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: there is not such thing as an athlon64 1200+
<bigfuzzyjesus> and a 3/4 full 60 gig and full 120 gig ext
<bigfuzzyjesus> we have a shit load of music
<maxamillion> crimsun: and that is all the power you _should_ need
<crimsun> maxamillion: depends on the use case(s)
<maxamillion> crimsun: i actually plan on getting an old machine from a friend over the holidays to test software on
<bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, well its a athlon64 clocked at 1.2 ghz what ever that means
<crimsun> it's completely inadequate for simulations
<maxamillion> crimsun: true
<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: ohhhh ... yeah, biiig difference ... that's probably around a 3200+
<bigfuzzyjesus> oh sorry i dont know how amd breaks down their proc's, never had a AMD before
<bigfuzzyjesus> yeah so any cheap ram you wanna give me lol
<pilibeen> maxamillion: why do you prefer xfce when speed isn't an issue?
<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: yeah, they have interesting naming conventions but it started out as "our 3000+ means it will perform as fast as a 3.0GHz intel"
<bigfuzzyjesus> oh
<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: wait ... sorry, i was wrong ... a 1.2ghz is probably a 2400+
<bigfuzzyjesus> sweet balls
<bigfuzzyjesus> is it true though
<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: no, normally the amd performs a little better
<bigfuzzyjesus> oh well i booted it with ram i knicked off a my dads computer to test it and its pretty fast without being oc'd
<bigfuzzyjesus> but if i get a bigger heat sink i should be able to oc it up to 2.5 and still have it stabole
<bigfuzzyjesus> stable
<bigfuzzyjesus> it will be pretty good for what i use it for
<maxamillion> i don't like over clocking ... i enjoy knowing things are stable
<nante> lol
<nante> just like my friend, he does not want to upgrade his celfone software, he says its tampering with nature
<bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, eh, i just want to so i can actually get some power out of this baby, so i can run itunes ok
<bigfuzzyjesus> lol
<bigfuzzyjesus> my dell runs it like shit
<maxamillion> itunes on linux?
<maxamillion> !language
<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
<bigfuzzyjesus> plus it only has 1.2
<nante> ok i have little question, i have a kingston 512 usb flash disk and i cant use it anymore in windows
<bigfuzzyjesus> no
<nante> it detects the flash disk and but when i click it, it says insert disk
<nante> can i do something about it in xubuntu
<bigfuzzyjesus> i dual boot on my 1.2 and would dual boot on the AMD, right now im an a all linux pc
<bigfuzzyjesus> and my dell only has usb 1.1, 2.0 is so much faster
* maxamillion is away: reading BSD info
<Surghi> I found something which needs to be changed
<Surghi> There is a 7 Euro per day additional charge for single occupancy of a room.
<Surghi> this sentence
<Surghi> actually the situation is, that if someone does not come together with a partner, so if someone comes ALONE, he will get a SINGLE room. This costs 7 Euros more per day.
<bigfuzzyjesus> an additional charge of 7 euros will be applied to rooms with single occupancy
<Surghi> if the person wants to stay ALONE in a double-bed room (made for 2 people) this costs 14 Euros more per day
<Surghi> bigfuzzyjesus, your sentence does not give a difference between both situations
<bigfuzzyjesus> yeah
<Surghi> I need to split it up in 2 different list items
<bigfuzzyjesus> yeah
<Surghi> because of the summer prices page which makes a difference
<Commander-Crowe> can you use some program to edit a PDF document?
<Surghi> bigfuzzyjesus: are you still there?
<bigfuzzyjesus> yeah sorry
<bigfuzzyjesus> im really tired
<bigfuzzyjesus> sorry i was spacing out
<Surghi> no need to be sorry
<Surghi> I am grateful that you helped me at all
<bigfuzzyjesus> i think im going to go to bed
<bigfuzzyjesus> sorry
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<Surghi> have a nice night :)
<Surghi> sleep fine and thank you bigfuzzyjesus_sl
<bigfuzzyjesus_sl> good night and good luck
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<maxamillion> well i just learned more about freebsd than i ever thought i would
<bigfuzzyjesus> where did you read it at?
<bigfuzzyjesus> link
<bigfuzzyjesus> an iteresting read
<bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, where did you read it at?
<maxamillion> oh, sorry .. i was checking email
<maxamillion> uhmm... just a moment
<maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: i will warn, its long ... but very informative, re-affirms my faith in the fact that i'm a debian user (xubuntu is 'a' debian)
<maxamillion> http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php
<maxamillion> he's very educated and its a great article
<bigfuzzyjesus> ty
<maxamillion> yw
<maxamillion> i need sleep
<maxamillion> laters
<bigfuzzyjesus> see ya
<arch> good morning
<arch> i'm having an issue that maybe someone here can assist with
<arch> just did the edgy upgrade yesterday, but for some reason my browser still says it's firefox 1.5
<arch> synaptic says that ff2 is what is installed
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<catalytic> whats a good vpn client for linux?
<MattJ> TheSheep: http://getjabber.no-ip.info/thunar_again.png
<MattJ> Icons not so huge now :)
<Olathe> Xfce is awesome. My system is actually responsive now.
<MattJ> Yay :)
<Olathe> Heheh
<drbreen> and now try fluxbox ;)
<icheyne> firefox has been crashing my xubuntu box completely when writing long emails in Gmail. I switched to Opera and the crashes seem to have stopped. Has anyone else reported this?
<esc2> theSheep?
<esc2> ah yes, i see you. sorry, i'm conecting via pjirc
<esc2> reckon a pentium 445 Mhz will be ok as file server and gateway and possibly printserver for a school network of apprx 30 machines, running win 98 2000 and XP??? and will ubuntu be ok as server?
<esc2> at the moment it has 356 megs of RAM, but i think it will need more..
<esc2> TheSheep?
<arch> i'm having an issue that maybe someone here can assist with
<arch> just did the edgy upgrade yesterday, but for some reason my browser still says it's firefox 1.5
<arch> synaptic says that ff2 is what is installed
<icheyne> Try installing firefox manually - outside apt-get. That worked for me.
<MattJ> icheyne: Someone said in #ubuntu that sice the last libpng update, their FF crashes
<arch> haven't had crashing problems
<MattJ> They said Ctrl + F crashed theirs
<MattJ> It doesn't mine
<arch> icheyne: did you have the same issue?
<icheyne> MattJ, interesting - did it crash their entire machine or just ff?
<MattJ> Just FF
<icheyne> 'cos this one is an instant bsod (without the blue)
<icheyne> ok
<icheyne> well maybe it's my dodgy display drivers
<icheyne> I am having problems on that machine with the display - so it could be linke
<icheyne> linked
<icheyne> :)
<darrend_laptop> icheyne: what gfx card/driver?
<icheyne> onboard intel
<icheyne> onboard intel i850 I think
<darrend_laptop> I have an issue with i810/i915 on my intel cards (845G and 855G)
<darrend_laptop> the drivers DO cause total lockup under some circumstances
<icheyne> darrend, interesting
<darrend_laptop> the system keeps running (you can usually ssh into it ok if you have ssh running and see everything working) but the display freezes and no input is accepted
<icheyne> darrend_laptop, maybe it's the same? The open office writer title bar looks awful too. Totally scrambled.
<icheyne> darrend_laptop, well the symptoms are the same
<darrend_laptop> likely to be your drivers then.
<icheyne> yeah - I changed to vesa in xorg.conf but then nothing worked at all :(
<icheyne> it's an ancient machine anyway
<icheyne> time we upgraded
<darrend_laptop> or just buy an old nvidia card or something to bypass the gfx
<icheyne> oh yes that's a point
<icheyne> but the monitor is scrambled most of the time anyway
<icheyne> bios mode wobbles about and is offset on the screen, so I suspect it's the monitor at least partly
<icheyne> but you are right that I should try ebaying for an old nvidia card
* icheyne puts on a thoughtful face
<darrend_laptop> hmm. With me, it's a fairly rare occurrence. Usually when playing bzflag and something like a gaim window pops up and steals focus.
<darrend_laptop> the other thing that triggers it is opening a new X session (using the "New Login" button on the xscreensaver dialog) and then logging out of that 2nd session
<icheyne> that's where most OS's have problems
<icheyne> Windows hated windows popping up during 3d games
<darrend_laptop> yeah, but windows locks hard for a wide variety of reasons anyway so it's difficult to pin it down :)
<icheyne> sure!
<MattJ> Haha :)
<MattJ> Windows Vista solves that
<MattJ> A dialog pops up, and tells you when it has bluescreened
<MattJ> A bluescreen, without the blue, and turned into a dialog ^^
<Sp4rKy> hi
<Sp4rKy> how can i change the keyboard keymap with xubuntu ?
<Gloubiboulga> Sp4rKy: setxkbmap keymap
<Sp4rKy> ^^
<Gloubiboulga> Sp4rKy: ;)
<Gloubiboulga> hopfully we'll have a graphical tool for feisty
<Sp4rKy> ^^
<hyper_ch> how to correctly install the nvidia drivers for a nVidia GeForce2 GTS/Pro
<TheSheep> !nvidia
<ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
<hyper_ch> TheSheep: hmm, I got that nVidia screen upon boothing but glxinfo just returns errors
<hyper_ch> !nvidia
<BlueEagle> hyper_ch: Odds are that it would be helpful to anyone helping you to know what the help messages were.
<BlueEagle> s/were/are/
<MattJ> How do you change the priority of a process?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> 'renice'
<MattJ> Ah, thanks :)
<drbreen> is there a way to deattach a prozess from another ?
<TheSheep> drbreen: not really, unless the programs are specially written to allow that
<drbreen> mmmhhh
<drbreen> is it possible do write a general "de-attacher" ?
<TheSheep> screen
<TheSheep> or nohup
<drbreen> !nohup
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nohup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
<drbreen> !screen > drbreen
<TheSheep> drbreen: man nohup
<MattJ> Imagine that I run a program over SSH (I did last night from my laptop)
<MattJ> Then, I wanted to switch PCs
<drbreen> TheSheep: thanks
<MattJ> ANy way to move the process?
<TheSheep> screen
<MattJ> I tried that
<MattJ> But is there a way to attach it to a running process
<MattJ> ?
<TheSheep> no
<drbreen> TheSheep: i don't really get that immunity to HUP signal gives me an advantage ?!
<MattJ> ok :/
<TheSheep> MattJ: when the parogram starts, it attaches to the terminal input, output and error -- as if it was openning files
<TheSheep> MattJ: unless the program is written so that it can re-open those files on demand, there is no way to reconnect it
<MattJ> Ok, thanks
<MattJ> I tried things like Ctrl+Z
<TheSheep> MattJ: what screen does is providing 'fake' files, that can be reconnected
<MattJ> and screen %1
<MattJ> but that gave me something wierd
<MattJ> :)
<MattJ> TheSheep, did you see the screenshot I pasted?
<TheSheep> MattJ: no
<MattJ> TheSheep, http://getjabber.no-ip.info/thunar_again.png
<MattJ> My icons are not big this time :)
<MattJ> Not in the tree, at least
<TheSheep> MattJ: I can't think of a good procedure to collect data for a bug report
<TheSheep> MattJ: unless you manage to reproduce it
<MattJ> Me neither, because I can't reproduce it at will
<MattJ> I just have to 'use Thunar'
<MattJ> :)
<TheSheep> MattJ: anything 'special' with your install or hardware?
<TheSheep> MattJ: does it happen on different users?
<MattJ> I have an ATI, with the fglrx driver... nothing else special
<TheSheep> MattJ: maybe some files with weird names?
<MattJ> I haven't tried other users
<MattJ> No, I don't think so
<MattJ> It happens in various places
<TheSheep> files missing or owned by root?
<TheSheep> (I mean config files)
<TheSheep> sometimes you run some program as root and it creates config files in your user's home, and then the user can't access them...
<MattJ> I have one such file... and it's nano's history
<TheSheep> shoudn't matter, but you can fix it with sudo chown mattj.mattj filename
<hyper_ch> strange, now my sound is gone
<TheSheep> hyper_ch: maybe some app is using it, and your card can't do mixing?
<hyper_ch> TheSheep: nothing is running that uses sound
<hyper_ch> and vmware just told me can't connect to it
<hyper_ch> just testing amarok now
<hyper_ch> there is sound in amarok
<hyper_ch> I'll reconfigure vmware
<hyper_ch> TheSheep: nVidia legacy is running fine now but I had to remove the "composite" and that means no beryl
<TheSheep> hyper_ch: well, that's what you get with binary drivers when the company drops support
<TheSheep> hyper_ch: that woudn't happen with an open source driver
<hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, I'll get myself a new comp anyway for xmas
<hyper_ch> but not sure whether I should get intel or amd
<hyper_ch> I still get that sound warning... hmmm
<TheSheep> hyper_ch: best check some hardware forums, or even post on them asking for advice -- describe what you want the computer for, etc. -- those guys *love* to give advices :)
<TheSheep> hyper_ch: be prepared for a flame war though
<hyper_ch> well, what dual 64bit processor is better supported by *buntu?
<TheSheep> no idea, look at forums
<hyper_ch> :
<esc_on_lucidrine> evening TheSheep
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<TheSheep> esc: hi
<TheSheep> esc: how's your job?
<esc> Fun!
<TheSheep> it's good to get paid for having fun :)
<esc> lots of stuff to learn, and basically do big iron, the hardware is in good shape and the network cabeling is great too, but the whole thing lacks software organization
<esc> user accounts, harddrive space etc..
<TheSheep> esc: using ldap?
<esc> i have a small budget with which to buy upgrades too :-) and they are basically giving me free hands
<esc> !info ldap
<ubotu> Package ldap does not exist in any distro I know
<TheSheep> !ldap
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ldap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
<TheSheep> bah
<esc> i was thinking samba myself
<esc> its gonna be Win XP, 2000 and 98 clients
<TheSheep> esc: active directory is ldap 'mbraced and extended' by ms
<esc> ok
<TheSheep> esc: ah, I thought it's all linux :)
<esc> guess i'll have to do more reading
<esc> noflex, not quite
<esc> unfortunately
<esc> but maybe i can pursuade them to use edubuntu
<esc> they are already using firefox and openoffice
<esc> which will be the two main applications anyway
<esc> but the file server and gateway will be the main priorities
<esc> but we will see
<esc> TheSheep, what do you reckon as a server, xubuntu?
<esc> or ubunutu without gnome
<TheSheep> esc: no
<esc> better said
<TheSheep> esc: debian, I think
<esc> grml
<esc> debian's a bitch
<TheSheep> esc: ubuntu is good for desktops
<TheSheep> esc: servers need something a little bit more solid
<TheSheep> esc: either debian, or slack, maybe :)
<esc> Open School Server
<esc> ubuntu is solid
<esc> ist about 30 machines
<esc> i think it should be fine, tbh
<TheSheep> suse maybe? :)
<esc> yeah, Open School Server is based on SuSe
<esc> but i don't like SuSe and yast and what not
<esc> it will need raid support obviously
<esc> DebianEdu aka skoollinux looks interesting
<esc> guess i'll look for something suitable
<esc> one more question
<esc> AMD 500 with 786 megs of ram, should be fine right?
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<PuMpErNiCkLe> esc: Definitely.
<MattJ> TheSheep, why is Ubuntu not solid enough for a server?
<TheSheep> MattJ: takes time to build reputation :)
<MattJ> :)
<MattJ> Just that I plan to use it for just such a thing
<MattJ> We shall see :)
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<TheSheep> I'm recently very disappointed in the linux kernel at all
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<MattJ> TheSheep, I've read people recommend the 2.4 kernel for high-load business
<TheSheep> maybe it's true that Linux moves to the desktop -- *moves*
<MattJ> Do you have any idea on that?
<hyper_ch> maybe esc should explain more precicely what constitutes for him a "server"
<esc> true
<esc> should be a network file server
<esc> and probabyl a NAT gateway
<esc> and thats it
<hyper_ch> then I'd go for a debian
<esc> for 30 clients, ubuntu should be fine
<TheSheep> nat is not expensive, file server depends on the disks
<esc> i'll use a RAID for the file stuff
<esc> and probabl one the custom school-servers
<TheSheep> esc: software or hardware?
<esc> hardware
<hyper_ch> actually how would a openbsd be?
<esc> i.e. two disks
<TheSheep> esc: which raid?
<esc> the backup one
<esc> ist it Raid 1??
<esc> not sure
<esc> not striping anyway
<esc> i think the linux kernel should fork
<esc> one for servers, one for clients
<TheSheep> esc: what discs? scsi?
<esc> SATA
<esc> or even IDE
<MattJ> esc, I think I agree
<MattJ> I think it will happen anyway
<esc> though since they are roughly the same price prolly SATA
<Flosoft> hey
<esc> on linux fork; its a very logical consequence based on the given neccesities :-)
<MattJ> esc, perhaps Ubuntu will do it themselves :)
<esc> as for disks: i'll check what scsi disks cost these days
<TheSheep> esc: shoudn't be so expensive. ide won't hold long
<TheSheep> especially if it's a file server
<esc> yeah thats what i thought
<Flosoft> how can I set the Default Keyboard Language?
<esc> so i'll prolly go for SATA
<esc> how are RAID controllers these days anyway? do they still require identical disks?
<esc> geez i should really start turning off soon, its not good to be still working from Home. i'll take my notebook in with me 2 morrow and see if i can use it from within the network :-)
<esc> then again i am the admin, so i'd be pretty poor if i fail to hook it up
<Flosoft> anyone?
<esc> setxkbmap maybe
<esc> !info setxkbmap
<ubotu> Package setxkbmap does not exist in any distro I know
<esc> !keyboard
<ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts (Gnome) or "input actions" in Kcontrol (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
<esc> Flosoft, i have heard setxkbmap will work, but i have never tried it myself
<esc> Flosoft, othersiwe you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
<Flosoft> I did
<esc> Flosoft, for setting the keyboard config for the terminal try kbd-config
<Flosoft> I set the language to be
<esc> hope that helps
<Flosoft> but it is still de
<esc> what did u use?
<Flosoft> kbd-config : Command not found
<esc> hmmm, i think thats a zsh command then
<esc> cause i use zsh (like all of you should for my terminal)
<esc> Flosoft, maybe restarting X with ctrl-backspace might do it, not sure though
<Flosoft> already did that
<esc> no luck?
<Flosoft> nope
<Flosoft> the login screen is still DE
<Flosoft> (keyboard layout)
<esc> ok, sorry i can't really help you right now, but keep trying :-)
<PuMpErNiCkLe> !info xkbutils
<ubotu> xkbutils: X11 XKB utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 161 kB, installed size 448 kB
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Was that what you were looking for?
<esc> probably :-)
<Flosoft> hmm ... I can't find the setting for the stupid language
<Flosoft> any other location?
<ochosi> hi, anyone there who can help me with an alsa mic problem?
<ochosi> nobody here?
<TheSheep> ochosi: nobody experienced with alsa mics
<ochosi> TheSheep, ok, thanks. that's what i assumed...
<Flosoft> ok ... still noone here who can tell me how I can change the default keyboard layout?
<Grem> hi
<TheSheep> hi Grem
<Grem> could someone paste his menu.xml for me please?
<TheSheep> Grem: you can find a copy in /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml
<Grem> oh
<Grem> the thing is, I'm doing a minimal ubuntu install
<Grem> installed the command line version of ubuntu, and then xfce4
<Grem> but I don't have the debian menu integrated in the xfce menu
<Grem> so I'd like to see the xubuntu menu.xml
<TheSheep> Grem: it's not integrated
<Grem> I added debian menu to the top of my menu.xml, but its not the same thing
<TheSheep> Grem: xfce4 uses the freedesktop.org menu standard
<TheSheep> Grem: the menu is created from files in /usr/share/applications/
<Grem> mm
<Grem> I see, the .desktops
* TheSheep nods
<Grem> what is happening to me is that if I install some new app, it appears in the debian menu, but not in the xfce menu
<Grem> what do I need to make it appear in the xfce menu?
<TheSheep> Grem: apparently the developer forgot to prepare apropriate .desktop file
<TheSheep> Grem: create it
<Grem> ok =)
<TheSheep> Grem: the syntax is very simple
<Grem> gonna check it out
<Grem> tks TheSheep
<esc> can i see this channels log anywhere online?
<esc> !log
<ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
<esc> :-) nice
<crimsun> #xubuntu isn't logged.
<crimsun> (by fabio's bot, that is)
<esc> grml
* Zeqfreed commits a suicide
<ellioTb> a suicide?
<Zeqfreed> right, a suicide
<esc> just one?
<Zeqfreed> it's enough
<TheSheep> not funny
<Zeqfreed> right, it isn't
<Zeqfreed> i'm feeling like a stanger at home
<Zeqfreed> *stranger
<Zeqfreed> but it's not a topic for #xubuntu channel, sorry
* TheSheep comforts Zeqfreed
<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: you can always feel at home here
<Zeqfreed> yup, thanks
<TheSheep> and family *is* a good thing, they just try to hide the fact ;)
<ellioTb> for homocide and suicide, you commit suicide, no article needed
<ellioTb> genocide, etc
<Zeqfreed> thanks, i'll remember
<Zeqfreed> i think this is very useful knowledge :)
<ellioTb> yeah, lol, no one uses it very often
* TheSheep genocides regularly in Nethack
<cellofellow> window-maker dockaps, how do I dock them in xfce?
<Zeqfreed> don't even understand what are you talking about, so no idea
<TheSheep> cellofellow: you don't
<TheSheep> cellofellow: they are specific to windowmaker
<cellofellow> TheSheep: fluxbox has the slit that does window maker dockapps, and KDE has the dockapp panel.
<cellofellow> does xfce4 have something similar?
<TheSheep> no
<Zeqfreed> cellofellow: have you finished you game?
<Zeqfreed> *your
<cellofellow> anything third party that will do it.
<cellofellow> Zeqfreed: I have the player movements down.
<TheSheep> no idea
<cellofellow> Zeqfreed: gonna try to get the monster's movements today.
<Zeqfreed> cellofellow: ok, will you please share it with me when finished?
<cellofellow> Zeqfreed: of course :-)
<Zeqfreed> good
<cellofellow> you sure there's no windowmaker dockapp programs that are wm-agnostic or xfce4?
<cellofellow> or whatabout using fluxbox/blackbox in xfce?
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<Zeqfreed> what time is it?
<TheSheep> 21:30
<bigfuzzyjesus> hello
<Zeqfreed> hey
<Zeqfreed> thanks, TheSheep :)
<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: ymmv
<Zeqfreed> one new abbreviation into collection
<hyper_ch> huhu
<Zeqfreed> The Huhu beetle (Prionoplus reticularis) is the largest native beetle found in New Zealand, a member of Cerambycidae, the family of longhorn beetles.
* TheSheep faints
<hyper_ch> zeg is a bot?
<Zeqfreed> yup, for sure
<hyper_ch> ;)
* Zeqfreed goes to bed and wishes everybody all good
<maxamillion> hello all
<hyper_ch> hiho
<hyper_ch> oh, any of you is a bash guru?
<maxamillion> i think i am an advanced user ... not quite guru, what's up?
<maxamillion> hyper_ch: ?
<hyper_ch> is it possible to delete all folders in a directory that are older than xx days?
<maxamillion> hyper_ch: oooo ... uhmmm, yeah i'm sure there is, but i would probably recommend using a program, script, or file manager for such things
<hyper_ch> maxamillion: well, I have written my own backup script in bash but now I want to delete the oldest backups :)
<hyper_ch> automatically :)
<hyper_ch> but I just don't know how to do that
<maxamillion> ah ... yes, that would be something i believe we need to consult a guru about ... sorry i wasn't of more help
<hyper_ch> maxamillion: no worries :) I don't even know if that's possible
<hyper_ch> actually, instead of naming my backups YYYY-MM-DD_HH:mm I could all put together to YYYYYMMDDHHmm
<maxamillion> this is true, and just do if statements to check the fields
<hyper_ch> getting a timestamp then... substracting the "days"
<maxamillion> yeah, could work
<hyper_ch> and then I would need to delete all folders that are smaller then ....
* TheSheep hints at 'find'
<hyper_ch> !find
<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about find - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
<hyper_ch> too bad *smile*
<TheSheep> hyper_ch: 'info find'
<hyper_ch> thx
<TheSheep> hyper_ch: in a terminal
<kalikiana> Is there a way to see any text on boot? As there is a poll in the forum, I wondered if it's already possible.
<TheSheep> kalikiana: switch to text console
<maxamillion> F2 if its enabled
<TheSheep> kalikiana: one of the m has the text
<kalikiana> but usplash can't do it?
<luckyone> hello all
<kalikiana> hello, luckyone
<luckyone> I am trying to reinstall apache
<maxamillion> ? and?
<luckyone> I got fed up with my Apache2 install, so I decided to blow away /etc/apache2 thinking, it will recreate the defaults when I reinstall the package... problem is that it doesn't
<luckyone> I am *attempting* to follow a very simple Apache2 + SSL how to to set up an HTTP server with SSL support
<luckyone> http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Apache2_SSL_in_Ubuntu
<luckyone> I have done this on windows lots of time with much success, but I am struggling to do it in Linux
<hyper_ch> luckyone: how did you remove apache2?
<luckyone> sudo apt-get remove apache2
<maxamillion> luckyone: sudo dpkg --purge <apache2 package name> will get rid of the config files and when you re-install it will get the defaults again
<luckyone> sudo rm -r /etc/apache2
<maxamillion> luckyone: do the dpkg --purge after you removed via apt-get
<hyper_ch> maxamillion: he just deleted the files
<luckyone> I then tried sudo aptitude purge apache2 && sudo aptitude install apache2
<maxamillion> hyper_ch: its worth a shot
<luckyone> also, does that look like a good Apache2+SSL how to for those that have done it?
<luckyone> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed.
<hyper_ch> luckyone: I personally like the HowTos from Falko very much: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_apache2_ssl_php5_zendoptimizer_ioncubeloader
<luckyone> that is what I get trying to purge
<hyper_ch> luckyone: delete the apache2 files that you have got
<luckyone> they are gone
<hyper_ch> then do: sudo apt-get install apache2
<hyper_ch> then do: sudo apt-get remove apache2
<luckyone> yup, I have
<luckyone> Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed
<hyper_ch> then do: sudo dpkg --purge apache2
<maxamillion> hyper_ch: he did
<hyper_ch> ups, didn't see :)
<luckyone> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed.
<maxamillion> hyper_ch: that's what the dpkg - warning he pasted was about
<maxamillion> ;)
<luckyone> do you have to purge it when it is installed/
<hyper_ch> luckyone: just making sure everything is clean first :)
<maxamillion> luckyone: naw, it just kinda cleans up anything left behind
<luckyone> yep, still doesn't create /etc/apache2
<luckyone> I don't understand what is wrong
<maxamillion> ohhh .... you deleted the dir
<luckyone> yes
<maxamillion> luckyone: sudo mkdir /etc/apache2
<luckyone> I got tired of my conf
<luckyone> that is all I have to do?
<maxamillion> luckyone: oh no
<luckyone> why doesn't it create it when the package is installed
<luckyone> like it does the first time/
<luckyone> ?
<luckyone> I also removed /etc/apache
<luckyone> btw, it is cool that irssi tab-completes in IRC chat!
<maxamillion> luckyone: yeah ... it should ... i dunno why its not
<hyper_ch> luckyone: well, as said above I like very much the howtos from Falko... I normally don't have any problems following them :)
<luckyone> me either
<hyper_ch> luckyone: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_apache2_ssl_php5_zendoptimizer_ioncubeloader
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<cellofellow> anybody have any knowledge on midi?
<kalikiana> midi is what causes the most trouble on my system, speaking of sound :-(
<cellofellow> I have a usb midi device plugged into a digital piano, and rosegarden won't play a thing.
<hyper_ch> g'night
<cellofellow> no midi card, just usb gizmo
<cellofellow> lsusb says: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0763:1010 Midiman Midisport 1x1
<cellofellow> how do I set it up?
<cellofellow> anyone?
<crimsun> upload the firmware.
<cellofellow> how?
<crimsun> $ apt-cache search alsa firmware
<cellofellow> ok
<cellofellow> josh@josh-desktop:~$ apt-cache search alsa firmware
<cellofellow> alsa-firmware-loaders - ALSA software loaders for specific hardware
<JKnife> HeathenDan: ping?
<cellofellow> now what?
<crimsun> download the firmware package, upload it, use your device.
<HeathenDan> pong
<JKnife> can i pm ya?
<cellofellow> k
<crimsun> I'm not going to walk you through it; there are existing howtos, and I'm busy.
<HeathenDan> sure
<cellofellow> the firmware must be non-opensource, cause the package is in multiverse. oh, well, I don't really care.
<cellofellow> what now? no man page.
<crimsun> < crimsun> I'm not going to walk you through it; there are existing howtos, and I'm busy.
<cellofellow> ok
<cellofellow> crimsun: can you point me to an existing howto? I've tried looking.
<JKnife> cellofellow: firmware loaded?
<JKnife> module loaded?
<doopy> hay friends
<JKnife> hey yourself...
<JKnife> XD
<cellofellow> JKnife: I don't know what to do. I installed the alsa-firmware-loader, and crimsun said to upload it. :?
<JKnife> try searching the gentoo wiki for setting up alsa
<cellofellow> JKnife: ok
<doopy> is automatix good to go with?
<JKnife> NO... don't use programs like that...
<JKnife> well that is my advice... but i do not run *buntu...
<cellofellow> JKnife: were would the wiki be?
<JKnife> one sec
<JKnife> wiki.gentoo.org IIRC XD
<JKnife> gentoo-wiki.com
<cellofellow> tried that
<cellofellow> ok
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<KeenEars> hi there
<KeenEars> installed xubuntu, but it hasn`t asked users passwd, and now i can`t login ;( can`t find this in faq..
<cellofellow> not again
<KeenEars> =)
<KeenEars> fix it then
<cellofellow> I don't know how to fix that, I'm sorry. Others do too I think. :(
<KeenEars> well, i`ll try to boot in single user mode ...
<cellofellow> by default init loads like nothing in that mode.
<KeenEars> well, haven`t tried xubuntu as passwd
<trond> evening/morning all, greetings from Norway.
<cellofellow> greetings
<KeenEars> hi
<KeenEars> greetz from Russia
<trond> got a q, and I have searched the web... How do I make nautilus become the default fm instead of Thunar. I have nautilus installed (followed the howto on ubuntuforums.org) but thunar is used when choosing ctrl+o in applications.
<KeenEars> was my question too often ?
<trond> btw. xubuntu finally seems to make my old laptop stable... (compaq EvoN160)
<KeenEars> seems to make my qemu very busy =)
<cellofellow> KeenEars: just no one here to or listening that can offer help, I'm sorry.
<KeenEars> ok =)
<cellofellow> KeenEars: you running in qemu?
<KeenEars> yep.
<KeenEars> for a while
<cellofellow> what's the host system?
<KeenEars> winxp
<cellofellow> ok
<KeenEars> with kqemu also
<cellofellow> KeenEars: you can i theory after you install in qemu, copy the disk image to a real disk and run that native.
<cellofellow> s/i/in
<KeenEars> if it was raw..
<KeenEars> i guess it is possible
<BlueLobster> ahah, so if the system is freezing when booting form the livecd... as it is bringing up the window manger, it seems, what would the likely cause be?
<KeenEars> but can require some itching with diskeditor
<BlueLobster> (tremendous question, I know)
<KeenEars> low mem ?
<KeenEars> scratced or misburned cd ?
<BlueLobster> I believe she says it has 128mb... I have suggested she try the alternate cd.
<KeenEars> mem errors ?
<KeenEars> alternate isn`t live cd
<BlueLobster> shit.
<KeenEars> it is install.
<BlueLobster> well
<BlueLobster> that's adequate
<BlueLobster> if it works, that is.
<TheSheep> !language
<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
<TheSheep> :P
<KeenEars> ?
<cellofellow> BlueLobster: the livecd is graphical, the alternate is text.
<BlueLobster> hmmm. I don't have very high hopes for this hardware, but we'll see.
<cellofellow> TheSheep: know anything about usb midi cables?
<KeenEars> i guess there`s a graphics installer on alt too
<TheSheep> cellofellow: no :(
<KeenEars> i have one
<cellofellow> KeenEars: in linux?
<KeenEars> at least my mk461c works by usb
* cellofellow has one that refuses to work in winME
<KeenEars> not yet =)
<KeenEars> i need to make it up first
<KeenEars> wtf. what the passwd is ...
<cellofellow> I suspect it would work on win98SE, and Win2K and XP, and it is recognized by linux, but not running.
<cellofellow> KeenEars: try the forums.
<cellofellow> search them
<cellofellow> ubuntuforums.com
<KeenEars> already
<KeenEars> it`s all about changing the passwd. maybe i`ll go this way
<KeenEars> ok, thanx all
<cellofellow> is there a xubuntu specific forum somewhere?
<KeenEars> xubuntu isn`t specific i guess
<KeenEars> it`s just an xfce-desktop
<cellofellow> it's still a seperate distro
<KeenEars> well it`s all to simplify
<KeenEars> hm. how can i set linux to runlevel 1 with kernel options ?
<cellofellow> grub
<cellofellow> besides that, I don't know.
<KeenEars> =)
<KeenEars> well, i just need an param
<cellofellow> well, there's always google.com/linux
<KeenEars> heh
<KeenEars> i need to sleep. really. because i`ve _did_ setup the passwd..and forget abt it !
<KeenEars> laters all, and thanx !
<ellioTb> what does runlevel 1 do
<TheSheep> ellioTb: restart
<TheSheep> no, wait
<TheSheep> debian has it borked
<TheSheep> :/
<TheSheep> ellioTb: see the comments in /etc/inittab
<ellioTb> /etc/inittab doesn't exist
<TheSheep> ok, I had it mixed up, 1 is single, 6 is reboot
<asthla> hi i am new to ubuntu and was having trouble getting my screensaver daemon to start on boot
<ellioTb> single as in processor?
<TheSheep> ellioTb: as in single-user mode
<TheSheep> ellioTb: the same as the recovery mode
<Cadteach> Hi all. Anyone use LinNeighborhood?
<ellioTb> Cadteach, i could never get it to work
<asthla> anyone have any ideas?
<Cadteach> I just downloaded and I'm trying to figure out the configuration.

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