| <X3N_> i've not had any emails from the ubuntu-uk list for a couple of days | |
| <X3N_> when was the last email ? | |
| <dsas> X3N_: about 2100 today | |
| <X3N_> :/ i didn't get it | |
| <dsas> odd, not gone to a spam folder or anything I assume? | |
| <X3N_> nope | |
| <X3N_> my backup mx didn't recieve it either | |
| <chaddy> evening all | |
| <dsas> evening chaddy | |
| <chaddy> lo dsas, up late h4x0ring? | |
| <dsas> uhm, up late reading random blogs to be honest | |
| <chaddy> I'm not a great one for reading blogs, but I came across popey's today, really good t'is | |
| <AndyR> lo all | |
| <tsmithe> guten morgen anti-net_! | |
| <anti-net_> guten morgen tsmithe | |
| <tsmithe> und wie geht's heute? | |
| <anti-net_> erh, yeah, i guess | |
| <tsmithe> bon! | |
| * tsmithe has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| <anti-net_> no you have't tsmithe | |
| <tsmithe> nope | |
| <tsmithe> damn | |
| <tsmithe> sussed out again! | |
| <anti-net_> yeah suprsingly were not idiots | |
| <tsmithe> how did you know?! user list? | |
| <anti-net_> I know everything | |
| <tsmithe> not this again | |
| <anti-net_> :P | |
| <tsmithe> hey they believed me in #ubuntu-offtopic | |
| <tsmithe> or they're all out | |
| <thingy> In Evolution...when defining a view...there is this Group By feature...as far as I can tell...it does squat! | |
| <thingy> They're just messing with my feelings by making me think it will group e-mails by say date and then from...curse you stoopid developers! | |
| <popey> thanks chaddy | |
| * popey bids for the t-shirt | |
| <anti-net_> *checks bids* | |
| <anti-net_> the bids are right out of my price range :P | |
| <X3N_> I'm still not recieving mail from the ubuntu-uk list | |
| <anti-net_> X3N_, oh dear | |
| <anti-net_> when did you last get mail from the list? | |
| <X3N_> 16th | |
| <X3N_> thursday | |
| <anti-net_> your defently missing some mail then :P | |
| <X3N_> i can't understnad where it's gone to | |
| <anti-net_> is there like an admin for the mailing lists you can contact? | |
| <X3N_> yeah | |
| <X3N_> but i've not been getting a lot of mail recently so i'm pretty sure it's something this end | |
| <anti-net_> oh ok | |
| <X3N_> though, i've checked my mail server, spam filters, mail client, smtp everything seems to be fine | |
| <X3N_> some mail is getting through ok | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Evening all | |
| <popey> X3N_: want some test mail? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> sorry thats afternoon .. beeen up way to long ! | |
| <popey> o/ | |
| <anti-net_> Afternoon LoudMouthMan | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey Anti-net | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well in the last few hour the UKteam has posted a couple of stories to the fridge so fingers crossed. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> also i saw in linux format the loco teams sort of got a mention. I thought maybe we should write to linux format and help them actually get a story on this properly. | |
| <popey> http://andrewprice.me.uk/projects/pybackpack/ nice | |
| <X3N_> sure, admin@x3n.me.uk | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ooh pretry | |
| <LoudMouthMan> or I should say Shiny ..i think i will go give that one a play later | |
| <popey> sent | |
| <LoudMouthMan> id love to get a nice wrapper around hamachi | |
| <LoudMouthMan> then again id love to get a nice implementation of openvpn that was as easy to configure as hamachi <grin> | |
| <X3N_> thanks popey i got it | |
| *** tsmithe is now known as Thor | |
| *** Thor is now known as tsmithe | |
| <AdonaiUK> hello | |
| <anti-net_> hello AdonaiUK | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hello | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wow its like the waltons in here. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey jamesrose. | |
| <jamesrose> Hello :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> kinda quiet in here today . but whats brought you onlnie then ? | |
| <jamesrose> To see when the next meeting is :) | |
| <jamesrose> & i'm just randomly messing about with beryl | |
| <jamesrose> Listening to some good 'ol Guns N' Roses | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ahh the 27th and cool and appro . | |
| <jamesrose> Hmm...what day is that on? | |
| <jamesrose> Ahh | |
| <jamesrose> A monday | |
| <jamesrose> That should be ok for me | |
| <LoudMouthMan> it shuold be a .. oh you got it. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> yes we were hoping to have had a result from the Community Council but the date has been shifted to .. as yet undiscussed. | |
| <jamesrose> Who decided against having a place on the forum? | |
| <jamesrose> I don't understand why not.. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well the simple answer is between the maillist, wiki and irc theres plenty of discussion. bear in mind that if someone asks a tech support related question on the mailist it may not be posted on the forum and vice a versa. so as a result we end up dividing the support options not increasing them. | |
| <jamesrose> Ah I understand | |
| <LoudMouthMan> there wasnt a who as such its just that the majority of conttributors felt compelled to stay as we are. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Cool, thanks. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I think in doing this we answer one of Mark Shuttleworths N Big challenges in that we ensure a consistent mechansim for getting bug reports upstream. next we just have to work out a way to get all the other bug reporting places onto a giant planet of their own ! | |
| <jamesrose> Yes. | |
| <jamesrose> Do you think Google will release a distribution of linux? | |
| <anti-net_> Goubuntu? | |
| <jamesrose> Maybe not Ubuntu, but something else? | |
| <anti-net_> maybe | |
| <jamesrose> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/20 | |
| <anti-net_> I could see them making a cheap PC with Linux and a load of Google Tools locked down | |
| <jamesrose> Yes. | |
| <anti-net_> I'd rather they didnt tho | |
| <tsmithe> it would not be proper | |
| <popey> can't see them doing it myself | |
| <popey> that's not what they do | |
| <chaddy> one day advertising the distro on the front page of google could increase mind share considerably | |
| <jamesrose> Why? Proper? | |
| <popey> they make web service applications | |
| <anti-net_> there defently moving away from software and more to web apps tho | |
| <jamesrose> Yeah | |
| <anti-net_> you can see that with Writely and Sheets | |
| <anti-net_> I still wouldnt mind a GPLed verison of Gtalk with voice support | |
| <jamesrose> They want some of the action | |
| <popey> google employ the gaim dev guy | |
| <jamesrose> (...money...) | |
| <chaddy> that's top of my wish-list, too, anti-net_ | |
| <popey> so i expect to see some of that arrive in gaim soon | |
| <anti-net_> oh awesome | |
| <anti-net_> I know Google makes MS shake in there boots tho | |
| <popey> although he did choose to reject some patches for gaim when he started at google | |
| <popey> that annoyed a few people | |
| <anti-net_> they know that people will flock to google becuase there not seen as the evil old company as some people see them | |
| <jamesrose> I really hope sombody makes some plugin for gaim for webcam support. Ive tryed that gaim-vv, but I didnt get even close to getting it working. | |
| <popey> thats what got rejected | |
| <jamesrose> Rejected? | |
| <anti-net_> properly to save the dignatiy of 100s of teenaged girls :P | |
| <popey> yes, the patches were refused by the lead developer | |
| <jamesrose> Oh | |
| <jamesrose> I wonder why... | |
| <popey> some suspected it was because google were trying to drive gaiom in other directions | |
| <anti-net_> maybe Google have somthing similar on the way in there Gtalk client and they didnt want gaim to have it first | |
| <chaddy> perhaps they couldn't get them to work, either, jamesrose | |
| <jamesrose> Good point. | |
| <anti-net_> couldnt someone just take the patch, and fork Gaim with webcam support? | |
| <jamesrose> Thats what I was thinking, why hasnt anybody just done that. | |
| <popey> they did, it's called gaim-vv :) | |
| <anti-net_> Oh i thought that was just a plug-in | |
| <popey> maybe, I have not used it | |
| <popey> sorry | |
| <jamesrose> Isn't a plugin, I dont think. | |
| <anti-net_> yeah looking at there site is a complete fork | |
| <anti-net_> Gaim 2.0 should be out soonish tho | |
| <anti-net_> they've hit beta5 | |
| <jamesrose> Wow, http://portableapps.com/apps | |
| <popey> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12615 | |
| <anti-net_> jamesrose, yeah thats a cool site | |
| <anti-net_> I use alot of them at college | |
| <jamesrose> Yeah | |
| <popey> "The lead developer of the gaim-vv project now says that the Gaim project leader (now employed by Google) has killed off most of his pending CVS patches and has instead replaced them with voice-only patches, patches coming from Google which are only to be used with the Google IM protocol, leaving all other voice and all video protocols in dissarray." | |
| <anti-net_> oh so Google are trying to make us all use Gtalk | |
| <jamesrose> ....oh yay... | |
| <popey> no | |
| <anti-net_> actally, I don't mind that too much, But, all my non-techincal friends use MSN, so it would be very un-socialable of me to ditch MSN | |
| <anti-net_> as much as I want to ditch it | |
| <popey> it's more that they didn't want to put half finished vv code in | |
| <popey> AIUI | |
| <jamesrose> Thats why I use gaim. to connect non-technical & technical | |
| <anti-net_> But I think Jabber is the way to go | |
| <jamesrose> Never used it | |
| <anti-net_> have you used Gtalk? | |
| <jamesrose> Yes | |
| <anti-net_> then you've used Jabber | |
| <chaddy> t'is theh protocol | |
| <jamesrose> haha - Ok then | |
| <jamesrose> .... | |
| <jamesrose> http://portableapps.com/apps/operating_systems/mac-on-stick | |
| <jamesrose> is that legal? | |
| <anti-net_> properly not | |
| <jamesrose> haha, still extremely cool. | |
| <anti-net_> I don't think apple is going to around sueing people for using there old OS tho | |
| <jamesrose> Yeah | |
| <jamesrose> Extremely old.. | |
| <jamesrose> What IRC client do you guys use? | |
| <tsmithe> xchat | |
| <jamesrose> same, is there a better one then xchat? | |
| <tsmithe> nope | |
| <jamesrose> :) k | |
| <tsmithe> taste i guess | |
| <anti-net_> tsmithe, in your personal opinion maybe | |
| <tsmithe> hence "taste i guess" | |
| <anti-net_> oppies sorry, didnt see your reply :) | |
| <jamesrose> I tryed BitchX yesterday | |
| <anti-net_> BitchX is ok | |
| <anti-net_> some people use Irrsi | |
| <tsmithe> again, taste ;) | |
| <anti-net_> if you go to terminal and type IRC it'll start | |
| <popey> O/ irssi | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> \o/ irssi | |
| <anti-net_> I need to learn the commands for irssi | |
| <jamesrose> Im looking at this : http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=48796 | |
| <jamesrose> And the screenshots in a different language, but the comment is in english. | |
| <jamesrose> What do you think it is? | |
| <jamesrose> Lol download'ed it | |
| <jamesrose> Its english | |
| <jamesrose> *yawn* Extremely quite today | |
| <tsmithe> indeed | |
| <tsmithe> anyone wanna help with reactos regression testing? fun fun fun! | |
| <jamesrose> Nice weather in manchester :) | |
| <tsmithe> we've got it narrowed down to 100 revisions! | |
| <jamesrose> ... | |
| <tsmithe> nice weather in horsmonden too | |
| <jamesrose> A bit overcast but the suns still shining through there | |
| <jamesrose> Anybody doing anything interesting for christmas? | |
| <tsmithe> nope | |
| <jamesrose> Im going to see family in london | |
| <jamesrose> apart from that nothing | |
| <tsmithe> i'm staying in kent | |
| <dsas> morning all | |
| <chaddy> it's always morning somewhere, I guess | |
| <AdamBagnall> Got up late today dsas | |
| <dsas> got up a couple of hours ago, however I'm not dressed, showered or had breakfast. so it's still morning in my mind. | |
| <dsas> I was up until 0500, deciding to watch "the history of oil" at 3ish probably wasn't the best idea... | |
| <jamesrose> haha | |
| <jamesrose> I didnt go to sleep last night | |
| <jamesrose> - party | |
| <jamesrose> I went to bed at 12AM - this morning | |
| <chaddy> dsas: was it a sociopolitical or a geological history of oil? | |
| <dsas> chaddy: sociopolitical | |
| <jamesrose> Sounds....fun... | |
| <chaddy> I thought it would have been a bit of work to stretch the geological past about 15 mins | |
| <dsas> "Since oil was found in modern day iraq 95 years ago, britain has been in occupation or invading iraq for 45 years" | |
| <dsas> etc | |
| <dsas> it was quite interesting. presented with a twist of comedy to it. | |
| <jamesrose> What channel? | |
| <dsas> jamesrose: originally it was on more4, but I missed it then and it's on google video now | |
| <dsas> jamesrose: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967 | |
| <jamesrose> I guess its something to do *plays* | |
| <jamesrose> OK, what do you guys think I should get Ipod Video or Zune? | |
| <jamesrose> And the compatibility with linux is a huge factor | |
| <popey> hahah | |
| <popey> zune | |
| <popey> hahahaha | |
| <jamesrose> How'd you get Xchat to save the last channels you were in for the next time you open it | |
| <Sionide> jamesrose, doesn't work like that... if you go to XChat->Network List | |
| <Sionide> you can set servers in there to connect on start up and join channels | |
| <Sionide> seperate by commas | |
| <jamesrose> found it | |
| <jamesrose> "chanels to join" | |
| <Sionide> aye | |
| <Sionide> then under "connecting" there's a tick box labeled auto-connect to this network on start up | |
| <Sionide> do that too | |
| <jamesrose> Cheers :) | |
| <Sionide> i just cleared mine up | |
| <Sionide> 4 networks, 12 chans now | |
| <jamesrose> When you resize a partition, does it wipe the disk? | |
| <jamesrose> ext3 | |
| <Sionide> dunno | |
| <Sionide> don't think so | |
| <PriceChild> "shouldn't" | |
| <popey> you can't resize ext3 | |
| <popey> you have to remove the journal to make it ext2 | |
| <popey> then resize, then make it ext3 again by adding the journal back | |
| <jamesrose> Ok, Nevermind. | |
| <jamesrose> Ive got way to much disk space anyway | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and whatever is running ubotu starts its yoyo again. | |
| <grifferz> heh, it's not really as much of a trial as popey makes out though. unmount it, e2fsck -f /dev/foo, resize2fs /dev/foo, mount it again | |
| <jamesrose> Anything decent on t.v tonight? | |
| <jamesrose> :) | |
| <dsas> jamesrose: Enjoy the history of oil? | |
| <jamesrose> Yeah | |
| <jamesrose> Is the super key the windows key? And how do I enable it? | |
| <dsas> jamesrose: system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts | |
| <jamesrose> Cheers :) | |
| <jamesrose> :s where's the super key on there? | |
| <dsas> jamesrose: choose the function you want super key to do, then press it. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well theres a nice statue and the picture of the family | |
| <LoudMouthMan> we should find a keyboard manufacturer to create keys for Ubuntu | |
| <LoudMouthMan> or at least tux. | |
| <jamesrose> Thanks | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hmmm now theres a opportunity | |
| <jamesrose> Wowyeah | |
| <jamesrose> Good idea :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> thanks .. i try | |
| <LoudMouthMan> cue yep loudmouthman your very trying. | |
| <anti-net_> LoudMouthMan, the Das Keyboard has an ubuntu/tux/whatever you want it to be key :P | |
| <LoudMouthMan> linkee please ? | |
| <anti-net_> have't you seen the Das keyboard | |
| <anti-net_> its completely blanked keyed | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oooh that one. i think it was called something else wasnt it ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> optimum or something ? | |
| <anti-net_> http://www.daskeyboard.com/ | |
| <anti-net_> I know the one your thinking of | |
| <anti-net_> the one with each key as an OLED | |
| <anti-net_> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ thats the optimus keyboard | |
| <LoudMouthMan> thats it ! | |
| <anti-net_> going to cost alot that one I think | |
| <anti-net_> all thos little OLEDs | |
| <LoudMouthMan> what im thinking is a sort of shop where theres just all the keys to fit all the keyboards and all the labels you ever wanted to print onto them | |
| <anti-net_> imgaine if you spilt beer on it | |
| <jamesrose> haha | |
| <LoudMouthMan> indeed! | |
| <jamesrose> That keyboard is amazing | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ind you reading some articles on planet.lugradio.org whilst drinking been is not good for some keyboards and screeens. | |
| <anti-net_> I left a glass of water on the edge of my desk, eblowed it and it bouced nicely off my computer spraying water evvverywhere :P | |
| <anti-net_> that could have been very expensive | |
| <anti-net_> but I must have been lucky | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey hey indeed. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> damn ! i just noticed I grabbed every iso I would need except the i386 desktop for edgy !.. grrrrr time to torrent again | |
| <GazzaK> anyone have a macmini here? | |
| <Webspot> yeah. i have a macmini, but not attempted to put ubuntu on yet :p | |
| <GazzaK> Webspot: can it connect to a telly? | |
| <GazzaK> ie a lcd tv, with dvi in | |
| <Webspot> yeah | |
| <GazzaK> wooo, I might have to buy one | |
| <Webspot> lol. i connect mine with the vga adapter that comes with it into my tv :-) | |
| <GazzaK> £825 for the macmini with the options i'd want, plus the new lcd telly (maybe the dell 32 inch one at £720 | |
| <anti-net_> thos mac minis look awesome | |
| <anti-net_> i'd buy one if i had 800ish to spare | |
| <GazzaK> it's defintley a dvi connection? | |
| <anti-net_> it has a DVI port on it, not a VGA, so yeah should work fine GazzaK | |
| <GazzaK> i'm thinking £1600 for the telly and a computer suitable to live with in the living room ain't too bad | |
| <GazzaK> thats email, web and telly catered for :p | |
| <anti-net_> there very quiet the mac minis | |
| <anti-net_> there basicly a laptop | |
| <jamesrose> How can i boot the ubuntu live cd in qemu? | |
| <jamesrose> whats the command? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> i had a macmini.. but I lost it somewhere.. no . im not joking. | |
| <jamesrose> ...seriously? | |
| <jamesrose> How? | |
| <chaddy> was it on the network? | |
| <anti-net_> I know someone who lost a pc, they could ping it, but they couldnt find it | |
| <jamesrose> haha | |
| <jamesrose> couldnt they do like a whois | |
| <jamesrose> or something? | |
| <jamesrose> :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> no It was in this house and we moved lots of stuff, it got side packed, boxed, the boxes all moved about and now I cannot find it! | |
| <jamesrose> haha | |
| <LoudMouthMan> i think it got nickedby a visitor at some point most likely | |
| <anti-net_> was it an Intel one or a PPC? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so mac mini , small , cute, wonderful and gone! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> PPC | |
| <jamesrose> still.. | |
| <jamesrose> Anyone know how to boot into the live cd? | |
| <jamesrose> In qemu? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey should | |
| <jamesrose> popey? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> popey .. the largest ...... contributor to the UKTeam and responsible for many of the screencasts relating to ubuntu | |
| <LoudMouthMan> actually now I think about it ive misplaced two computers, 3 monitors and dozens of hard drives, speakers, hundred of mice. man I use to much kit. | |
| <jamesrose> Ive lost a few hard drives over the years and a stick of ram :) | |
| <jamesrose> I find it hard to loose monitors and computers :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> I think it comes from my attitude that property shouldnt own you. and everything can be achieved it you need and want it. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so when I loose stuff I tend to just shrug and say " it will appear if its really needed" | |
| <anti-net_> Hm | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hmmm ? | |
| <anti-net_> stuff does't appear out of know where LoudMouthMan :P | |
| <jamesrose> sorted out the qemu issue. All was needed was : qemu -cdrom /dev/hda | |
| <LoudMouthMan> anti-net . are you really sure ? I mean even plato wondered about the nature of things and science suggest that somethings are affected by or affect the observer. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but in general im more about not worrying about things being lost since worrying expends energy and increases risk of astmha for me so I dont do it. | |
| <anti-net_> no, I agree worrying about things, espically stuff out of your control, is pointless | |
| <LoudMouthMan> ironically reading more of David Allens Getting Things Done ive discovered the idea of getting things out of your head and down somewhere else to be similar to some of my own "control techniques" | |
| <LoudMouthMan> peoples perceptions and/or anger are one of those things I dont worry about since I cannot control what goes on in someone elses mind nor should I worry about it. | |
| <popey> qemu -cdrom <livecdimagename> -m 256 -soundhw all -net nic -net user -boot d | |
| <popey> jamesrose: ^^^ | |
| <jamesrose> qemu -cdrom /dev/hda worked fine | |
| <jamesrose> although | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hhah see popey ubuntu guru extrondinaire! | |
| <jamesrose> yep :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> actually popey you mentioned you were keen on mentoring . | |
| <jamesrose> :] | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Id like to start making a crack on my karma and the rest. do you think this is either a A) screen cast you could do or B) something you could help me and others get moving forward on ? | |
| <jamesrose> ..? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> mind you popey wanted mentoring to be more about upstream developers helping new developers learn how to contribute. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> but I figured somethings work well both ways<grin> | |
| <jamesrose> Anybody seen any cool HOWTO's, i'm quite bored. Want to try something... | |
| <jamesrose> Anyone? | |
| <sheepeatingtaz> jamesrose: anything in particular you want to try? | |
| <jamesrose> Not really, just something with a good outcome :) | |
| <jamesrose> Ive tryed like every window-manager possible | |
| <jamesrose> something nifty & cool | |
| <grifferz> having a goal really helps.. | |
| <tsmithe> reactos regression testing? | |
| <jamesrose> Im going to try this | |
| <jamesrose> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283198 | |
| <jamesrose> easy :) | |
| <tsmithe> you can do that from openoffice anyway | |
| <LoudMouthMan> tsmithe thats true .. but what about printing from firefox or the console or Xchat ? | |
| <tsmithe> ok | |
| <tsmithe> good point | |
| <jamesrose> yeah | |
| <jamesrose> works with pretty much everything that can print | |
| <LoudMouthMan> i used to dump everything to .PS until i noticed the size of some jobs. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> then again that was back in the day when 40gb was just getting cheap. | |
| <AndyR> popey 's da man | |
| <tsmithe> so PriceChild, how did you find reactos? | |
| <jamesrose> Wow, it works well :) | |
| <tsmithe> coo | |
| <tsmithe> l | |
| <jamesrose> Very handy | |
| <PriceChild> pretty cool | |
| <PriceChild> it could be something special | |
| <PriceChild> wondering whether they've missed the boat though | |
| <anti-net_> ReactOS is still in alpha irc | |
| <tsmithe> it's going well. i've wasted today with regression testing | |
| <tsmithe> i think they're coming into the scene just as linux becomes ever more popular, and as a result, slowing the adoption of linux. people will use ros instead, if it ever becomes usable. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well if my customers comments today are anything to go by linux is certainly getting easier to swallow. | |
| <dsas> to go back to something mentioned ages ago: LoudMouthMan, are you implementing GTD electronically? | |
| <grifferz> looking at the bigger picture, as long as it is all FLOSS, who cares what people use? | |
| <grifferz> well, apart from the obvious vested interests of this channel :) | |
| * chaddy subscribes to the view that *nix is the one true operating system | |
| <chaddy> just as happy to get someone to convert to OSX as Ubuntu | |
| <anti-net_> hmm, chaddy I agree with you that NIX is the one true OS, but Ubuntu is open, OSX ins't | |
| <chaddy> true, but apple have given a lot back, lot of samba development, for example | |
| *** tsmithe is now known as tsmithe-food | |
| <chaddy> perhaps. | |
| <chaddy> s/just as/almost as | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas almost . .mostly im doing gtd in text and my mobile at the moment im still on chapter 3 . | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Ah, I attempted it with my pda, but it never worked. I decided to just stick to using a calendar for time specific things, and mentally juggle everything else | |
| <dsas> tempted to try those index card things. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> the point which David Allen says if you cant do it in both easily then you wont be able to do it at all. i can see his point snice I also have a written gtd function working to track stuff . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> its also clear that this is not a 30 day fix but requires mental discipline and focus but dsas if your looking to apply it as well id be happy to keep notes and keep bloggin about it with you. its something we could BOF about a little at LRL07 if you plan to go . | |
| <LoudMouthMan> also i find merlins 43folder podcasts to be a god send. | |
| <dsas> I kept it up for a few weeks, but found every so often there'd be things I didn't add and stuff, so I never had that "trust" in the system. I tried multiple tools too. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas I knowwhat you mean about trust. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Ive decidd to not try to do everything at once but small fixes to issues and allow them to change me, for example. I now use the 2minute rule to deside to do/defer/delegate/drop | |
| <dsas> I've not listened to the podcasts, I've read lots of the site though. | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Yeah, that's something I found easy to keep applied, even without the other stuff. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas , then take great heart in that | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: is LRL usually in the summer? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> for you have gained a little discipline and have a measure of your needs . now you should revisit your systems and consider how to do it again. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas . i rreally really dont know but I know I have it booked. | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Didn't go to the last one, because I didn't have a job over the summer, wanted to though. So probably going this year. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and Dobbo and I have a BOF planned , plus of course i'll hope to be motivating a few UKTeam members to do something interesting . | |
| <dsas> uhm, next rather. | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Dobbo? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> well i misse d the first due to being fucked over by my friends, i went to the next and got christened LoudMouthMan and im going to the next one because of my passion of all things LUG. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dobbo is Steve dobson ( dobbo.wordpress.com ) and our resident LUGMaster and LUG co-ordinator. | |
| <dsas> cool, a BoF on it sounds interesting. | |
| <dsas> as does the sound of my peppers being cooked I think. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas well since youd and are are into it why dont we set it up. | |
| * LoudMouthMan has lambshanks cooking | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: OK, what does it involve | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas usually think of it like a micro 10minute presentation and you are expecting others to contribute their experiences and opinions and views what you get out of it is what you put in and what you want. | |
| <dsas> I'm not sure giving a presentation is my thing yet. I'd rather go and see it done first. I'd certainly attend and contribute though. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas .okay . cool . tell you what why dont we work on GTD together over the next few months, just you know coaching and encouraging each other and see how it looks in Aprill ? | |
| *** tsmithe-food is now known as tsmithe | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Cool, sounds good. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> excellent besides it will be interesting to match your Student life and experience with my self employed parnt life and experience as we apply GTD methodology and see what occurs. | |
| <dsas> heh, I imagine in some ways it will be quite similar. There will be perhaps more differences between me and employees. | |
| <dsas> In terms of I imagine we both work from home a lot, and personal and "professional" life are very close. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> Yep, lets hope so certainly our targets are the same our paths are different but the obstacles the same. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> so do you havea copy of th GTD book ? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> for me pervasive presence ( http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/68 ) is one of the things that I feel would be a boon to all GTD systems. since I could get my list everywhere if such things were possible. | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Yeah, I got the book a while ago | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Yeah, it sounds good. The more of that stuff that gets in the better. | |
| <dsas> Wonder if I could set something up to synchronise notes on my server via sftp | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas well this is exactly the value in contribution of shared efforts we can work on what we find woks well . for instance I use unison to track my main document folder and ive set up Ifolder a few times to do similar. and if I can find a way to work well with my mobile and/or my pdas then even bettter. | |
| <dsas> personally, I'm pretty much never far away from the network. lately. I think I can use a notepad for the times I'm not. | |
| <jamesrose> Hello everyone, im back :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> wb jamesrose | |
| <LoudMouthMan> dsas . i find for me the worst times for note catching are when I am driving and have a few conversations onthe phone one after the other. | |
| <jamesrose> what have you been talking about since ive been away? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> of course as I type it i realise that maybe I just need to stop having those conversations. | |
| <dsas> hi jamesrose | |
| <LoudMouthMan> oh life, the universe, everything ! | |
| <LoudMouthMan> you know .. usual Ubuntu Stuff. | |
| <jamesrose> The usual :) | |
| <dsas> LoudMouthMan: Yeah, driving is a bad point for bit collection. Funny, because it can be a good time to think. | |
| <dsas> I had an hour commute to work last year, through the peak district, it was great for thinking, but terrible because I always forgot things by the time I'd got home. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hhaha yep know what you mean ! | |
| <popey> gah | |
| * popey fights with his pc | |
| <jamesrose> XD | |
| <jamesrose> Having a problem? | |
| <popey> yeah | |
| <jamesrose> What would that problem be? | |
| <popey> had motherboard replaced under warranty and they changed it for a different one | |
| <popey> different chipset which appears to be unsupported by the current edgy kernel | |
| <popey> so I am going to have to either.. | |
| <popey> a) change distro | |
| <popey> or | |
| <popey> b) compile my own kernel | |
| <jamesrose> ouch | |
| <dsas> any chance of it working in feisty? | |
| <popey> does feisty repo exist yet? | |
| <dsas> popey: yep | |
| <popey> ooo | |
| <LoudMouthMan> hey theres option C ... C) but a whole new machine which edgy will like . though you probably considered that one and discounted it on the basis of costs. <grin> | |
| <popey> well | |
| <popey> the fact that this machine is <2 months old | |
| <popey> and the motherboard is < 1 week old | |
| <dsas> 554 new packages so far | |
| * popey checks to see what kernel is in feisty | |
| <dsas> popey: 2.6.19, it's going to ship with 20 though, I think. | |
| <LoudMouthMan> eeep. gotta love warranty repairs. still it would/could be worse if it was windows since if it was a OEM install youd technically have to buy a whole new copy ! | |
| <popey> i need 2.6.18 or above | |
| * popey goes to get the .deb | |
| * popey gets 2.6.19 | |
| <jamesrose> Worked? | |
| <popey> it's a 21MB download, give it a minute or two :) | |
| <LoudMouthMan> that long :-P | |
| <dsas> am I missing a trick? If the current chipset isn't supported how can you install the .19 deb? | |
| <jamesrose> another pc? | |
| <LoudMouthMan> knowing popey its another machine to grab it with | |
| <LoudMouthMan> and I believe you dont even need to be on the machine your compiling for to compile for it. | |
| <dsas> but how are you installing the new kernel on the new machine, if the new machine doesn't boot into linux? | |
| <popey> it does boot to the recovery mode | |
| <dsas> ah | |
| <popey> if I use noapic/noacpi | |
| <popey> so i think there must be something started in the non-recovery kernel that is significantly different from the recovery one | |
| <popey> because if i boot to recovery then telinit 3, it isn't the same as booting normally | |
| <popey> for example cpu frequency scaling doesn't work | |
| <popey> gonna have to sort all the dependancies manually :S | |
| <popey> of course I could just dist-upgrade to feisty :S | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> that would be somewhat brave :) | |
| <popey> or stupid :) | |
| <popey> hello littletank | |
| <littletank> good evening | |
| <dsas> do it popey, do it | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <popey> I have another kernel on another disk, so there would be potentially no loss | |
| <popey> would be 'fun' to track feisty | |
| * popey ponders it for a moment | |
| <dsas> i'm dist-upgrading my laptop now :) | |
| <popey> 2.6.19 installed | |
| <dsas> I don't use it for anything except the web, email and talking though. | |
| <popey> i use this for screencasts :S | |
| <popey> i can always revert | |
| <popey> i have backups :) | |
| <popey> right, reboot time | |
| <littletank> I am thinking of getting a new PC any suggestions welcomed | |
| <littletank> and I use Dapper | |
| <anti-net_> anything but a dell | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, get a dell, they are fantastic | |
| <anti-net_> No! | |
| * GazzaK Mwhahahahaa | |
| <anti-net_> GazzaK, is been paid by dell to say that :P | |
| <jamesrose> I wonder if he will return ;) | |
| <GazzaK> i'm looking at gettin' a Dell Telly | |
| <jamesrose> delly telly :) | |
| <GazzaK> littletank: a PC or a Laptop? | |
| <littletank> now, now how about a real suggestion for a PC | |
| <GazzaK> I'm being "more" serious now | |
| <littletank> good | |
| <GazzaK> right, PC's - system76 has been recommended | |
| <GazzaK> but seriously, I do recommend Dell - but normally to work newbies | |
| <littletank> what is system 76 | |
| <GazzaK> a system supplier | |
| <LoudMouthMan> right time to consider dinner | |
| <GazzaK> http://system76.com/ | |
| <anti-net_> do they ship to the UK? | |
| <GazzaK> i'm cooking now LoudMouthMan | |
| <littletank> I will have a look and let you know what I think | |
| <popey> i would recommend dell | |
| * popey is typing this on one | |
| <jamesrose> He's back, did it work? | |
| <popey> oh, and 2.6.19 kernel-image installed and booted fine | |
| <popey> I am on another pc :) | |
| <jamesrose> Sweet | |
| <popey> now installing linux-headers packages so i can recompile the (evil) binary nvidia driver | |
| <popey> using lynx to get the kernel headers :) | |
| <GazzaK> popey, did you hear, when I move, out of my "house fitting out" budget, i'm gonna get a dell 32" lcd telly and a macmini | |
| <anti-net_> i've had lots of trouble with my Dell, and the customer support don't seem to like me | |
| <popey> i have had only one hardware failure (it's documented on my blog) and got an engineer out to replace it | |
| <popey> mac mini?! | |
| <popey> what are you, some kind of poof!? | |
| <popey> oh | |
| <popey> hang on | |
| <popey> ;) | |
| <GazzaK> anti-net_: I used to buy them for my old company - we used to come under the "ford motor company" umbrella, and so I got "very good" service, ie, I'd phone up and say "A cd on "asset tag" has gone, send me a new one" and next day it'd arrive, and they would collect the old one. | |
| <popey> :) | |
| <GazzaK> and popey - erm, :p | |
| <popey> shame home users don't get anything like the same service | |
| <popey> sorry, couldn't resist | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, but I still use that same phone number :p | |
| <popey> heheh | |
| <GazzaK> misses out 1st and 2nd line :-) which is a godsend | |
| <GazzaK> anyone know what resolution a mac mini can run on a hd ready telly? | |
| <popey> thats arse about face | |
| <popey> you should find out what resolution the telly *does* first | |
| <GazzaK> okay, one mo | |
| <GazzaK> 1366 x768 native | |
| <GazzaK> this is the telly http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/lcd_w3202mc?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs&~page=5&~tab=specstab#tabtop | |
| <jamesrose> 32 inch | |
| <jamesrose> thats not that much | |
| <jamesrose> isnt it? | |
| <littletank> I just followed some advice about PCs and I was given an USA supplier. | |
| <littletank> Not much help is it | |
| <GazzaK> sorry I thought they delivered to the uk | |
| * anti-net_ stares at GazzaK | |
| * GazzaK stares at his cat | |
| <littletank> not to worry they looked nice though | |
| <anti-net_> Dell might be ok littletank | |
| <anti-net_> if you have warrenty you'll be ok | |
| <dsas> isn't linuxemporium.co.uk the equivalent of system76? | |
| <anti-net_> if you don't have warrenty they ignore you | |
| <littletank> thanks dsas more to look at | |
| <GazzaK> littletank: http://www.thelinuxshop.co.uk/catalog/ this one is in skipton UK | |
| <littletank> I will go away and investigate | |
| <popey> right, balls to it | |
| <popey> here comes feisty | |
| <GazzaK> they only seem to do one pc though - http://www.thelinuxshop.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=45 | |
| <littletank> my dog likes balls | |
| <popey> you're after a new pc littletank ? | |
| <littletank> yes | |
| <popey> buy a dell then get a refund for the windows license :) | |
| <littletank> ding dong dell, tough on the cat | |
| <littletank> bye for now | |
| <GazzaK> [20:40] <littletank> I just followed some advice about PCs and I was given an USA supplier. | |
| <GazzaK> [20:40] <littletank> Not much help is it | |
| <GazzaK> I nearly bite at that... | |
| <GazzaK> s/bite/bit | |
| * dsas_ tightens GazzaKs muzzle | |
| *** dsas_ is now known as hignfy | |
| *** hignfy is now known as dsas_ | |
| <GazzaK> yip yip | |
| * dsas_ kicks the router | |
| <anti-net_> now now | |
| <anti-net_> thats no way to treat networking hardware | |
| <GazzaK> yeah, I didn't snap, I was good | |
| <dsas_> heh, I'm not even connected to my router at the minute. | |
| <GazzaK> neighbours? | |
| <dsas_> neighbours wireless. my card can't pick up my router from across the room, but can pick up someone elses? | |
| <anti-net_> :P | |
| <anti-net_> what router do you have dsas_ a notgear? | |
| <dsas_> anti-net_: linksys | |
| <anti-net_> oh | |
| *** dsas_ is now known as dsas | |
| * dsas nick spams somemore | |
| <anti-net_> in my expesnive notgears often kill there wifi | |
| <dsas> anti-net_: I can connect to it from upstairs, but down here,sometimes I can, sometimes I can't | |
| <GazzaK> tinfoil walls? | |
| <anti-net_> my friend has a similar probem, i think its becuase he lives in a old cottage tho | |
| <dsas> GazzaK: no, in the same room I can't connect. In different rooms I can. | |
| <GazzaK> tinfoil hat? | |
| <GazzaK> :P | |
| * dsas shrugs | |
| <dsas> It' ok till I need to ssh upstairs for something... | |
| <anti-net_> are the moon aligned correclty dsas ? | |
| <GazzaK> sorry i'm typing with one hand, the other is eating dinner | |
| <dsas> I think there's regional static disturbance | |
| <dsas> the earths electromagnetic fields are out of sync in the Staffordshire area | |
| <GazzaK> staff, ahhhhh that makes sense | |
| <PriceChild> lol | |
| <chaddy> dsas: could it be this: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/ ? | |
| <dsas> chaddy: uhm, maybe. *looks confused* | |
| <chaddy> dimly understood phenomenon of people interfering with complex devices | |
| <chaddy> seemed as likely/unlikely as ley lines | |
| <togster> Evening all | |
| <chaddy> lo togster | |
| <popey> lo | |
| <anti-net_> Evening | |
| * popey starts the feisty upgrade | |
| <anti-net_> is an alpha already out? :/ | |
| <jamesrose> Is it worth upgrading to feisty? | |
| <chaddy> advice I was given was to wait till a couple of months in, unless you are actively maintaining packages | |
| <anti-net_> seeing as Edgy was only released last month jamesrose its in very very early alpha | |
| <jamesrose> Oh | |
| <popey> the only reason I am doing it is to get a later kernel | |
| <popey> and have a laugh :) | |
| <jamesrose> I will probably get it after chrismas sometime | |
| <jamesrose> haha | |
| <jamesrose> I ask, why hasnt the ubuntu splash boot screen been updated in edgy? | |
| <popey> it has | |
| <jamesrose> I was hoping for something different | |
| <jamesrose> ...has it? | |
| <popey> it's different from dapper | |
| <popey> it's black background with a very shiny logo | |
| <jamesrose> When i upgraded, it didnt change. | |
| <popey> yeah, neither did one of my machines | |
| <popey> how did you upgrade | |
| <chaddy> one of my upgrades didn't change, either | |
| <jamesrose> that upgrade command | |
| <jamesrose> somthing -c ? | |
| <popey> update-manager | |
| <jamesrose> probably | |
| <jamesrose> How do you think I could do it then? | |
| <jamesrose> Make it have the new one | |
| <popey> reinstall usplash and usplash-artwork I think | |
| <jamesrose> I have edgy on one harddrive, and dapper on the other. Im using my dapper grub, would I need to install the edgy usplash & artwork on the dapper aswell. | |
| <popey> pass | |
| <jamesrose> is usplash-theme-ubuntu the package that needs to be installed? | |
| <popey> i think so, yes | |
| <jamesrose> I dont have an usplash-artwork package | |
| <popey> sorry, was guessing the package name | |
| <chaddy> aptitude search usplash... | |
| <jamesrose> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386 | |
| <jamesrose> I am not using that version :S | |
| <chaddy> looks like usplash is the package you want, not seeing an ubuntu artwork package, but there are edu/k/x ones | |
| <jamesrose> o | |
| <jamesrose> k | |
| <jamesrose> Would it matter if it was generating a different kernal that to what i am using? | |
| <chaddy> I'd think it's fairly normal to be generating an initrd.img for a kernel other than the running one | |
| <popey> <o/ | |
| <popey> er | |
| <popey> dodgy keyboard map | |
| <popey> \o/ | |
| <popey> that's better | |
| <popey> hello AndyR | |
| <Jamesrose> Im back | |
| <anti-net_> welcome back | |
| *** PriceChild is now known as PriceChild_away | |
| *** James is now known as jamesrose | |
| *** PriceChild_away is now known as PriceChild | |
| <AndyR> hello popey fellow hantslug'er | |
| <dsas> hmm, when describing the list is "calm and innoffensive" the right word for the way we wish to portray it? | |
| <dsas> struggling to think of a better phrase | |
| <dsas> "calm and welcoming atmosphere" I think |