<roth-laptop> whats 2MiB/s

<cafuego> 1/5th 10Mbit

<roth-laptop> O_o

<roth-laptop> whys is it so slow

<roth-laptop> its transfering 100 meg a min when it should be 100 meg a second :s

<onefang> It's time.

* cafuego eyes Kamping_Kaiser

<^Uriah^> cafuego: are you gay?

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kamping_Kaiser

<cafuego> ^Uriah^: No, just vindictive.

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: +b uriah!*@*

<roth-laptop> O_o

*** ^Uriah^ was kicked by Kamping_Kaiser (Kamping_Kaiser)

<Kamping_Kaiser> back after tafe - i'll fix the one elky did then

<Kamping_Kaiser> probably back in 5-6 hours. bbl

<cafuego> thanks :-)

<Kamping_Kaiser> np :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> i'll ban the public tor key later

* Kamping_Kaiser gone

<dsas> there's a difference between megabits and megabytes

<dsas> your connection is measured in bits, your data in bytes.

<dsas> bits are an eighth of a byte

<cafuego> See also mibibyte

<onefang> There is also overhead to take into consideration.

<roth-laptop> in english prehaps :D

<roth-laptop> 2MiB/s = how many megabytes per second ? O_o

<roth-laptop> 16?

<cafuego> Nope

<Changlinn> 8bits=1byte 2Mib is 2 mega bits, data is measured in megabytes

<cafuego> But a MiB is 1024 KiB whereas a MB is 1000 KB

<Changlinn> but there is as someone said over head so 1megabit per second is equal to about 100kilobytes per second

<cafuego> ... to clear things up a bit.

<cafuego> So your 2MiB is probably actually 2MB, which is in fact 1.95MiB

<Changlinn> cafuego: no a megabyte is still 1024 kilobytes... unless you are talking to weasally storage manufacturers or engineering students

<roth-laptop> well thas shitty for a 100 meg lan

<Changlinn> heheh

<cafuego> Changlinn: the mibibyte was invented to work around that issue by assuming all manufacturers are weasels.

<Changlinn> wah? how do you know it is a 2mbps connection on your 100mb lan?

<Changlinn> cafuego: really, I thought it was verancular...

<roth-laptop> system monitor

<Changlinn> vernacular

<cafuego> Changlinn: maybe that's how it started out, but people (not manufacturers) have been embracing it as far as I can tell

<Changlinn> roth-laptop: doesn't system monitor just show your history... not your actual connection speed

<dsas> uhm, network speed is usually specified in bits not bytes

<cafuego> the only way to reliably measure the connection speed is to suck down a large chunk of data (whilst not allowing anything else on the link) and time it.

<dsas> and a bit is an eighth of a byte

<onefang> Typical of things manufacturers invent for marketing people to spread, it becomes the rommon knowledge cov ordinary folk don't know any better and just parrot what they are told.

<cafuego> also known as 2 nybbles

<dsas> onefang: It's SI not marketing folk who invented it.

<onefang> s/rommon/common/

<Changlinn> should have just used the engineer definition of the mega prefix

<roth-laptop> i just transferd 600 meg in about 5 mins

<cafuego> "meg" ?

<Changlinn> so 600mb /(5*60)

<Changlinn> cafuego: 600 ugly looking girls from family guy...

<Changlinn> shutup meg

<cafuego> Changlinn: shutup, she's hot

<cafuego> roth-laptop: So an ISO in 5 mins? Is that on a lan?

<roth-laptop> yep

<cafuego> well thas shitty for a 100 meg lan

<roth-laptop> LOL thats what i said !!! :D

<cafuego> I know, I pasted ;-)

<roth-laptop> hahh

<Changlinn> 600mb in 5min isn't too bad... depending on switch etc

<^Uriah^> hey hey

<roth-laptop> 100 meg switch

<Changlinn> cafuego: the person who does the voice is hot, but they always make fun of her for being ugly in the show

<roth-laptop> 100 meg cards

<Changlinn> thats about 20mbps which although not ideal, the best you will get on a 100mb lan is about 50mbs

* cafuego pushes ISOs at pretty close to 12Mb/sec locally

<Changlinn> cafuego: gige?

<Changlinn> ohh or between hard drives

<cafuego> nope, 100Mbit

<roth-laptop> so what does 100 run at 20 ??thas not right

<roth-laptop> may as well burn to dvdrw would be faster

<dsas> roth-laptop: But then you have to walk ;)

<onefang> No, you can frisby it.

<dsas> I'm not that good a shot :(

<onefang> That just makes the other person walk. B-)

<roth-laptop> ill buy a helper monkey

<cafuego> roth-laptop: 100MBit can theoretically do 100/8 = 12.5 Mb/sec

<roth-laptop> ahh i get ya now

<cafuego> with on 2 it's really only doing 1/6th

<Changlinn> but tcp/ip overhead... will mean you will never get 12.5Mbs

<Changlinn> speed of hard drive?

<roth-laptop> laptop is 5400

<Changlinn> ahh a 5400 laptop hard drive...

<Changlinn> hdparm -t

<roth-laptop> Timing buffered disk reads: 102 MB in 3.05 seconds = 33.46 MB/sec

<Changlinn> so the max you are going to get sustained is 33MB/sec

<Changlinn> So yeah 2MB/s is crap...

<Changlinn> nics on one of the computers probably set itself to 10base-t

<cafuego> 10baseT is < 2Mb/s

<Changlinn> full duplex 10base-t... hehehe

<siccness> im sorry but 5mins for an ISO is pretty piss poor

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: +b *tor*!*@*

<siccness> Hey Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> hey siccness

<siccness> Who ou banning?

<siccness> Uriah?

<Kamping_Kaiser> just heading out

<Kamping_Kaiser> anyone on tor

<Kamping_Kaiser> i'll fix it later so it only bans anon tor.

<siccness> Fair enough, talk to ya sometime tonight mate.

<Kamping_Kaiser> catch then mate :)

<siccness> :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<^Uriah^> how can I totally remove privoxy from my hard drive?

<^Uriah^> Kamping_Kaiser: any ideas?

<siccness> apt-get remove?

<^Uriah^> purge??

<onefang> sudo rm -rf /

<^Uriah^> onefang: ???

<siccness> dont do that, ^Uriah^

<^Uriah^> onefang: ok ill try that

<^Uriah^> brb

<siccness> I hope you're kidding.

<roth-laptop> LOL

<^Uriah^> onefang: ok! thanks! that fixed it

<^Uriah^> :)

<onefang> roflmao.

<^Uriah^> :P

<^Uriah^> anyone here using Tor with Firefox?

<^Uriah^> was working yesterday, and today it says unable to connect to proxy server

<^Uriah^> anyone have any ideas?

<onefang> ^Uriah^: Why not go and find a tor channel to ask your questions in? It's completely off topic in this channel.

<^Uriah^> onefang: ok ill try that! brb

<^Uriah^> onefang: nope! that didnt work! any other bright suggestions?

<purserj> he's a troll ignore him

<onefang> Usually I don't ignore people. But my ignore list just doubled in size. B-)

<^Uriah^> purserj: who is a troll?

<purserj> ^Uriah^: just a note, I have placed you on ignore

<^Uriah^> purserj: what did you say? I cant see you :)

<siccness> Who's a troll?

<purserj> ^Uriah^ is

<siccness> Ok.

<MotherLUG> hey siccness

<siccness> Hey MotherLUG, how are we today?

<MotherLUG> Afternoon Everyone

<siccness> ^Uriah^: Stop the crap.

<^Uriah^> siccness: dont always believe what others tell you

<MotherLUG> not bad, you?

<siccness> Can't complain thanks.

<^Uriah^> siccness: me either

<siccness> ^Uriah^: I'll trust those before I trust you.

<^Uriah^> MotherLUG: hey hey

<^Uriah^> siccness: thats your downfall

<siccness> You seem to be disobeying.

<^Uriah^> i only obey God, not some human

<^Uriah^> who are you to ask me to obey you?

<^Uriah^> goodbye

<siccness> Shit that was easy

<MotherLUG> Hallelula

<siccness> Didn't even have to pull a ban stick out

<MotherLUG> Now if only god would strike his computer with an almighty bolt of lightening

<siccness> lol

<siccness> Why am i being packetted

<MotherLUG> siccness, ?

<siccness> ugh

<Changlinn> ?

<siccness> im being attacked with 4kb/sec!

* cafuego commands ^Uriah^ to both be and stay gone.

<Changlinn> Is ^Uriah^ possibly a bot?

<purserj> no he's a PITA

<Changlinn> maybe not...

<cafuego> No, mere software isn't usually retarded.

<purserj> Alice is much more intelligent than that

<Changlinn> siccness: really... he is trying to hax0r you muchzor

<siccness> im asuming so

<purserj> DoS via dialup?

<Changlinn> heheheh

<siccness> yea but its pissing me off

<siccness> i have d/l limit

<siccness> ok, ill go to standby mode. bbl

<purserj> is it Tor routed?

<purserj> siccness: if you've got an IP with the packets, find out who it belongs to and call the provider and tell em their IP is trying to hack you which is a criminal offence

<Changlinn> thats probably why it is 4kbs

<Changlinn> purserj: they made it a terrorist act in Australia...

<purserj> even better

<Changlinn> Yeah that means they can get the rubber glove on with no warrant

* cafuego sighs

<^pixel^> cafuego: hi

<cafuego> hi, ^Uriah^

<^pixel^> cafuego: hello coffee bean ;)

<onefang> It's a good day for my ignore list, growing all the time.

<^pixel^> onefang: hello :)

<Changlinn> heheh

<^pixel^> cafuego: what makes you call me Uriah?

<^pixel^> Changlinn: hey hey ;)

<purserj> As I said, Alice was smarter

<cafuego> ^pixel^: Disappointent with the human race

<^pixel^> cafuego: dont forget you are part of that human race! condemn it, and condemn yourself

<^pixel^> cafuego: ever seen the original planet of the apes?

<cafuego> ^pixel^: you don't hear me diagreeing

<^pixel^> cafuego: in the end Heston yells out "you maniacs"

<^pixel^> humans are maniacs and will destroy each other and the world

<^pixel^> its the destiny of humanity, because most humans are maniacs

<^pixel^> with low awareness

<^pixel^> cafuego: yes I know you agree

* Changlinn sigh

<^pixel^> Changlinn: ditto

<Changlinn> I am going to lunch

<Changlinn> bbl

<^pixel^> Changlinn: stop eating junk food, it will give you cancer , heart disease and an early death

<^pixel^> you have been told

<merlin-linux> hiya all

*** ^pixel^ is now known as pixel

<pixel> merlin-linux: hello wanna be magician

<pixel> Randumb: where in NSW you are?

<Handheld_Man> Hi.

<Handheld_Man> Where can I buy replacement parts for iPAQ 36xx in Australia?

<pixel> Handheld_Man: ipaq?

<purserj> Handheld_Man: not sure, checkout the hp site or maybe www.ht.com.au

<dsas> last I checked ipaq replacement parts were nearly as much as replacing the ipaq itself. (UK)

<onefang> staticice.com.au might help.

<Handheld_Man> Oh yeah should look on staticice

<pixel> onefang: no thats rubbish

<Handheld_Man> I need the little stylus latch, but it's $AU47 from Texas

<Handheld_Man> back soon

<purserj> are there any ops around at the moment?

<pixel> purserj: yes Im here

<pixel> purserj: whats up dog?

*** fildo is now known as fild0

<cafuego> pixel: Is there any reason in particular you've decided to start trolling here? All you'll achieve is (eventually) a ban (possibly ISP wide and certainly all TOR users)

*** fild0 is now known as fildo

<cafuego> if that's what you want, fine.. just let us know right away.

<pixel> cafuego: you are in no position to judge me!

<pixel> cafuego: Are you qualified and have professional credentials in social psychology and human behaviour? If not, then your comments are based on your personal and flawed opinion about psychology and behaviour

<pixel> cafuego: who are you to judge me?

<cafuego> No, but I damn well know a troll when I see one.

<pixel> only God can judge me

<pixel> cafuego: so what? what on Earth makes you think I value or care about your opinion?

<ajmitch> yet we can judge your actions, and identify them as trolling

<ajmitch> quite simple

<cafuego> pixel: I don't need your approval or consent.

<ajmitch> hey cafuego, what's up?

<pixel> cafuego: my life is not driven by the opinions of others, people who have no life skills

<cafuego> ajmitch: not much, poking the wildlife a bit

<pixel> cafuego: I don't need your approval or consent on my behaviour

<ajmitch> fun

<purserj> cafuego: you wouldn't happen to have a tranq gun on you?

<cafuego> purserj: sorry, only caffeine tablets ;-)

<merlin-linux> hiya ajmitch cafuego

<pixel> ajmitch: are your actions perfect at all times? if not, then you are not in a position to judge my actions! thats as silly as a thief lecturing me about stealing

<merlin-linux> oh and hiya purserj

<purserj> hey merlin-linux

<pixel> ajmitch: look in the mirror

<onefang> Ignore is working well for me. B-)

<ajmitch> onefang: you miss out on all the entertainment though

<pixel> onefang: no wonder you only have 1 fang :)

<pixel> ajmitch: true true ;)

<purserj> onefang: yeah up to a point but when people come here looking for help we don't want mr "God will judge me" screwing around

<pixel> i was coding computers when you guys were wearing your nappies

<cafuego> I wonder how that one would go down in court *snort*

<onefang> It stopped being entertaining a while ago.

<merlin-linux> who votes for a kicking

<onefang> Me.

<merlin-linux> +1

<pixel> i vote :)

<purserj> +1

<pixel> me me ;)

<cafuego> Can I also include mandatory sterilisation/ best these genes don't survive...

<purserj> but this time ban all tor users

<pixel> cafuego: Peter, be nice now

<purserj> \/win 2

<pixel> purserj: hey James, thats a bit harsh :)

<cafuego> pixel: it's for the good of the human race. be cooperative.

<pixel> cafuego: ok ill try

<pixel> cafuego: you have helped me many times in the past, so out of respect for that help, I will do as you ask

<merlin-linux> hmm

*** pixel is now known as ^Positive^

<merlin-linux> w00t now back to general programming :-)

* purserj waits for engin order to complete

<cafuego> THE PROSECUTION RESTS!

<Bambi_Bofh> theres a scary amount of me in here.

* Bambi_Bofh wonders how long untill his ssh connection gets killed

* purserj gets impatient, approve my order dammit!

<cafuego> purserj: i approve.

<cafuego> What did you order, another unmentionable?

* Bambi_Bofh has to work out how to use irc ops

<purserj> engin

<purserj> gonna connect up my asterisk to the great wide world

<lifepositive> cafuego: hi there!

<purserj> offs can someone please lockout TOR?

<cafuego> purserj: aaah, shiny! :-)

<cafuego> purserj: I'm planning to plonk nodephone on if and when I get adsl2+

<Bambi_Bofh> i can completley ban tor, but thats very harsh. i am willing to though

<cafuego> Bambi_Bofh: I can see no conceivable reason for needing tor to chat on irc.

<purserj> cafuego: yar, going to get tricky as well and get a number in Sydney and Melbourne, so as to be "available" to more than one market

<cafuego> purserj: oh, you can get multiple "local" numbers?

<purserj> Bambi_Bofh: as cafuego says, the number of tor based clients we see in here is tiny, and most of that has been our loony friend

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Bambi_Bofh

<Bambi_Bofh> ok

<purserj> cafuego: with engin you can. They have this switch service

* cafuego wonders when PSTN namespace will run out then :-)

<purserj> heh

*** Bambi_Bofh sets mode: +b *!*@gateway/tor*

<Bambi_Bofh> hopefully that does the job...

* cafuego graduates Bambi_Bofh to Mega_Bofh

<purserj> they'll just keep adding more numbers until your phone number is 2938749238749238742983748923

<purserj> Bambi_Bofh: nice

<cafuego> purserj: that'll break things internationally and probably overflow the exchange equipment ;-)

*** Bambi_Bofh sets mode: -o Kamping_Kaiser

* bimberi returns, reads backscroll and sighs

<purserj> cafuego: I didn't say it would be pretty ;)

<Bambi_Bofh> they could use base16 for phone numbers :)

<Bambi_Bofh> hi bimberi

<cafuego> PSTNv6

<cafuego> woohoo

<bimberi> Bambi_Bofh: hi :)

<bimberi> hm, the most recent join was truth@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x0F865BCC which, to my reading will get through that ban

<Bambi_Bofh> :)

<bimberi> s/through/around/

<Bambi_Bofh> bimberi: i feel/hope that anyone with a key can be trusted... if not, they can be baned individualy

<bimberi> whatever :)

* Bambi_Bofh crosses fingers

<bimberi> ah, kk

* bimberi knows nothing of the inner workings of tor

* Bambi_Bofh knows bugger all

<bimberi> ... and doesn't feel the need

<Bambi_Bofh> i'll feel happier when i know how to use irc properly (op wise), tor or not

<cafuego> Bambi_Bofh: *!*@*/*tor/*

<cafuego> Sadly you can't regex it to *!*@*[^au]$

<hantu> omg

<hantu> hail

<hantu> o_O

<Bambi_Bofh> hantu: o_0

<Bambi_Bofh> cafuego: mmm. rejex

<hysterio> always rely on regex

<Bambi_Bofh> whats ^u*^' blokeshostmask? the one who was from tor before?

<merlin-linux> damn adsl2 modem that does not want to keep line sync

<hantu> Forecast for Wednesday

<hantu> Showers with local hail, thunder and snowfalls on the nearby hills. Mostly

<hantu> cloudy with a very cold, fresh and squally southwest to southerly wind.

<hantu> that's definitely winter weather. :o

<merlin-linux> Forecast for Wednesday

<merlin-linux> A brief shower or two, clearing late afternoon. Cool to cold with sunny breaks.

<merlin-linux> Fresh to strong southerly winds gradually easing.

<Bambi_Bofh> ok. back in 10-30 minuets at home (as kk)

<hantu> let's stock ice. brb

<Bambi_Bofh> bbl!

<elkbuntu> why are we all of a sudden getting morons in here? i go for a week and you guys invite the lunatics home?

<hantu> me? :(

<elkbuntu> no.. the tor tosser

<purserj> we didn't invite him, he just turned up one day trying to spread the good word

<merlin-linux> elkbuntu: i think he was lost, and was trying to gate crash here for a new home

<elkbuntu> purserj, the good word of what?

<purserj> I do remember him talking about being banned from undernet when he first turned up

<purserj> elkbuntu: he's a fundamentalist christian

<hantu> o ,ist

<hantu> er

<hantu> i must've missed something.

<cafuego> purserj: he's an trolling idiot, fundamentalist or not.

<merlin-linux> ni hao hantu

<hantu> yo merlin-linux ;)

<purserj> cafuego: yar, I find some fundies are trolling idiots

<merlin-linux> hantu: how are you going mate?

<cafuego> Isn't there a commandment about that?

<hantu> merlin-linux: hey mate, im alright, got a class in a couple of hour, still got a topic to study for. but im all good, how's your end?

<hysterio> cafuego: lol

<hantu> i heard about the google commandment, not hte tor commandment tho.

<quail> here is the trolling idiot elkbuntu if you want to add him to the banned list >>> --> ^pixel^ (i=pixel@gateway/tor/x-d7e435e78933c2d2) has joined #ubuntu-au

<bimberi> one of many guises though

<purserj> yeah

<hantu> believe its *pixel@ tho :o

<merlin-linux> anyone got a couple spare AA cells

<merlin-linux> my wireless mouse gone flat lmao

<bimberi> elkbuntu: actually the tor tosser seemed to surface just as you returned. Hmmmm ;P

<elkbuntu> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> well i set +b *@gateway/tor*

<Kamping_Kaiser> so gpg tor should work, but anon shouldnt

<merlin-linux> people that use anon tor worry me

<Kamping_Kaiser> if we have any more anon tor let me know and i'll lern how to set real bans ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> *learn

* merlin-linux thinks they have something to hide

<quail> 14:02:06 up 24 days, 1:07, 2 users, load average: 2.64, 2.27, 2.14

<bimberi> merlin-linux: or live in a country with an oppressive regime

<cafuego> oppressive is sooo subjective

<cafuego> for instance, americans think oppressive is anywhere not the US (except australia, as that's a part of canada?)

<merlin-linux> oh

<hysterio> actually, they only think places are oppressive if they arent allies

<hysterio> so saudi arabia isnt oppressive

<cafuego> note: sweeping generalisation, may not apply to all concerned ;-)

<hysterio> :)

<cafuego> oppressively hot

<purserj> hysterio: no they're still oppresive but thats alright cos they give us oil

<hysterio> and let us land troops there

<Handheld_Man> Wow what happened while I was away? Some fundamentalist troll?

<merlin-linux> yeah but they gone now

<Handheld_Man> I should leave IRC open more often LOL

<Handheld_Man> Staticice can't find a stylus lock for me :(

<Handheld_Man> what's the name of a city in texas?

<purserj> houston

<Kamping_Kaiser> watching

<Handheld_Man> Cheers

<cafuego> Handheld_Man: Nah, there's log bots for this sort of thing.

<lifepositive> greetings

<lifepositive> im from Sydney NSW

<lifepositive> you guys?

<lifepositive> Handheld_Man: cheers

<Handheld_Man> I'm from earth :)

<lifepositive> I'm from Earth also

<lifepositive> :)

*** Handheld_Man is now known as Davo_Dinkum

<cafuego> purserj: setting up asterisk like that is pretty straightforward? just adding a peer?

<purserj> not sure, i'll let you know once I've gotten approval on the order :)

<purserj> but it should be pretty straight forward

<cafuego> righto!

<Kamping_Kaiser> is astersk rpm based?

<lifepositive> when is the new ubuntu come out?

<Kamping_Kaiser> or is it just somethign you ron on top?

<Kamping_Kaiser> lifepositive, 20 days ago

<lifepositive> Kamping_Kaiser: really?

<Kamping_Kaiser> yes :)

<lifepositive> so I can order the new Ubuntu now?

<lifepositive> ok

<cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: It's packaged in/for various distros. I run a specific distro (trixbox) in a vmware instance for it.

<lifepositive> can I install it and keep my current info and settings?

<purserj> Kamping_Kaiser: its an app so it can be packaged for any distro

<Kamping_Kaiser> cool.

<purserj> I'm running it on my gentoo box

<Kamping_Kaiser> as long as it runs on debian alpha...

<cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Notable because the Ubuntu packaged one made my poor wifes box hard lock ;-)

<Kamping_Kaiser> aah. *wince*

<purserj> well if there are debs for alpha Kamping_Kaiser it should run

<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, yes... if :)

<purserj> then Kattekrab made cafuego lock hard

<cafuego> the broozing is subsiding, it's ok

<lifepositive> Kamping_Kaiser: can I install it and keep my current info and settings?

<cafuego> bruising even

<Kamping_Kaiser> lifepositive, sure. theres upgrade guides on help.ubuntu.com

<lifepositive> Kamping_Kaiser: do I need a special ubuntu version to do that? I remember the dapper wouldnt upgrade

<Kamping_Kaiser> er... yes it will

<lifepositive> Kamping_Kaiser: so any CD will do it?

<Kamping_Kaiser> lifepositive, use the alternate cd, but you can just download the updated packages if you want

<merlin-linux> lifepositive: the alternate cd is better for upgrade

<lifepositive> Kamping_Kaiser: im using a modem

<lifepositive> have to order the CD

<lifepositive> merlin-linux: what alrerntate CD do I order?

<Kamping_Kaiser> lifepositive, join the list, and ask someone to send you some dvds

<lifepositive> actually, according to the website, they dont send CD of the new version

<lifepositive> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS is the only CD they offer

<Kamping_Kaiser> exactly ;)

<lifepositive> Kamping_Kaiser: so how can I get the latest version? only downloadable?

<Kamping_Kaiser> lifepositive, look at ubuntu.com.au, one of the ubuntuites does cd mailouts

<lifepositive> ok

<Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. lunch.

<lifepositive> are they selling Ubuntu now?

<lifepositive> i thought it was al;ways going to be free

*** fildo is now known as fild0

<Kamping_Kaiser> it is, if you download it

<Kamping_Kaiser> but peo

<Kamping_Kaiser> gah

* Kamping_Kaiser *gone*, not negotialbe

* Kamping_Kaiser turns off scren

<lifepositive> too bad for me then

<lifepositive> i only have a modem :(

<lifepositive> Kamping_Kaiser: ok bye! enjoy your lunch

<cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: To be fair, his box might break quite badly in an upgrade

<purserj> especially if he uses apt-get dist-upgrade

<purserj> maybe we should have pointed him at ubuntuCE

<Davo_Dinkum> Damn I couldv'e sold him the alt CD on eBay

<Phlosten_> does Helix player actually play anything at all?

<Davo_Dinkum> Speaking of which, how do multiple item listings work?

<purserj> Phlosten_: Real Media files?

<Phlosten_> purserj: you would think so, but no

<Davo_Dinkum> RM blows. Possibly more than WM.

<Phlosten_> no real media, no mp3 stream

<Phlosten_> i think it's just pretend

<Phlosten_> :D

<Davo_Dinkum> Does VLC have bad sound output? I keep watching AVIs and the sound distorts at high levels.

<Phlosten_> Davo_Dinkum: maybe turn you main volume down a notch or two

<Davo_Dinkum> It's on about 75% I'm using headphones plugged straight onto my laptop.

<Davo_Dinkum> Should I turn down VLC's volume as well slightly?

<Phlosten_> yeah

<Davo_Dinkum> Still the same.

<Davo_Dinkum> It only happens when the sound in the video is loud thought

<Davo_Dinkum> *though

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL: In the anime series I'm watching, there's a fast food place called "WAS burger" lmao

<Phlosten_> Davo_Dinkum: maybe the video sound is mixed wrong?

<Davo_Dinkum> What do you mean?

<Davo_Dinkum> Like it wasn't recorded correctly?

<Phlosten_> normalised wrong

<Phlosten_> thats what I would be betting on

<Davo_Dinkum> Maybe. I have no idea.

<Davo_Dinkum> Are there any DSL2+ modems that have GPL firmware?

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: look at the OpenWRT site

<merlin-linux> iirc linksys and couple others are linux based firmware

<kgoetz> netgear's are often linux based

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah I found that out *after* I got rid of my DG834.

<kgoetz> gah :(

* kgoetz has a dgsomething

<Davo_Dinkum> Look underneath it.

<Kamping_Kaiser> its in the house. and i cant be bothereed loading hte web interface ;)

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: i bought one of these yesterday >>> http://www.mitsubishi-electric.com.au/PRODUCTS/COMPP/net/index.html

<merlin-linux> ooops wrong link, here the correct link >>> http://www.mitsubishi-electric.com.au/PRODUCTS/COMPP/net/R100.htm

<Davo_Dinkum> Mitsubishi?!

<Davo_Dinkum> Are they any good?

<Davo_Dinkum> Can someone please give me a link to the hardware table on OpenWRT? It doesn't load in FF.

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh I got it.

<Davo_Dinkum> It's a rebadged ASUS WL-500G, according to openwrt

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: the r100 is just a Rebadged Asus WL-500g

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: OpenWRT hardware link >>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware

<Davo_Dinkum> It looks but ugly though

<Davo_Dinkum> And I can't find it on ebay

<Davo_Dinkum> And that's DSL?

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kamping_Kaiser

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: -b *tor*!*@*

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: -b uriah!*@*

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: -b *!uriah@203.19.8.30

*** Kamping_Kaiser sets mode: -o Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> just cleaned up the ban list, fyi all

<Kamping_Kaiser> at the same time one was -b uriah*, so if he comes back out of tor, he'll get through.

<Kamping_Kaiser> i'm just hoping hes not that bord

<hantu> we saw

<hantu> :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

* Kamping_Kaiser fixes the mistake where hantu* got unmuted ;P

<hantu> :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> :P

<hantu> /mode #ubuntu-au +vm hantu

<hantu> !

<hantu> :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> o_0

<Kamping_Kaiser> or not :)

<hantu> hehe

<kgoetz> :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> hm.i have a dg834 as well.

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, are the dg834's adsl2?

<Davo_Dinkum> With a firmware upgrade they are.

<Kamping_Kaiser> might have to hang onto this one then

<Davo_Dinkum> Why do you *have* to hang onto it?

<Kamping_Kaiser> its cheaper to upgrade firmware then buy a new one?

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: what cant you find

<Davo_Dinkum> Lots of things. A GPL DSL2+ modem for one.

<Davo_Dinkum> Or a decent brand that is supported by openWRT

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: here is were you can buy the r100 from >>> http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/diamond-wireless-lan-gateway-r100-ieee-802-11bg-54mbps/

<Davo_Dinkum> Of DSL2+ modem that is.

<Davo_Dinkum> Wait. Does this have a built-in DSL modem?

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: http://www.mitsubishi-electric.com.au/PRODUCTS/COMPP/net/map/r100_quickstart.html

<Davo_Dinkum> Damn.

<Davo_Dinkum> The USB port would come in hand though, maybe I can download torrents with only the router and a USB hard drive!!

<Davo_Dinkum> *handy

<Davo_Dinkum> Doesn't anyone else get excited by that possiblilty?

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<Davo_Dinkum> Obviously not.

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* AlexC has been doing python programming and is having a rest

<Changlinn> merlin-linux: does that Diamond wireless fully support openwrt?

<merlin-linux> yes, by what i have been told by adhoc

* Changlinn checks openwrt

<Changlinn> .org

<Changlinn> Rebadged Asus WL-500g http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Asus/WL500GD

<Changlinn> freakin sold

<merlin-linux> Changlinn: you can get the R100 from Deals Direct for $59.90 delivered to your door

<Changlinn> yeah I saw the link...

<merlin-linux> Changlinn: here the link >>> http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/diamond-wireless-lan-gateway-r100-ieee-802-11bg-54mbps/

<merlin-linux> kewl

<Changlinn> only problem is wife will kill me as I only just bought some yum-cha router to go 802.11g

<Changlinn> but I wanted it to be openwrt compatible, sadly it isn't

<AlexC> does anyone here know python?

<Changlinn> what is a snake

<Changlinn> heheh

<AlexC> the python programming lang.

<Changlinn> I know, I am just being silly

<AlexC> what king of a name is Changlinn?

<Changlinn> so merlin-linux, did you get one?

<Changlinn> I am not royalty...

<merlin-linux> yep i bought one yesterday

<Changlinn> obviously don't have it yet...

<merlin-linux> no

<merlin-linux> i might have it as early as of this friday, fingers crossed

<Kamping_Kaiser> AlexC, tried #python?

<AlexC> yes

<AlexC> they suck

<AlexC> nobody answered

<AlexC> and there was like 300 ppl

<merlin-linux> AlexC: you have to be patient

<AlexC> i'm trying #python-dev

<Kamping_Kaiser> i woudlnt if i was you

<AlexC> patience is for losers

<AlexC> why?

<Kamping_Kaiser> -dev chanels are for real work, not answering randoms questions

<merlin-linux> AlexC: google is also your friend :-)

<AlexC> hmmm

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<Phlosten_> hmmm indeed

<anyone> someone was asking for me?

<anyone> !anyone

<ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?

<Kamping_Kaiser> right...

<Phlosten_> o_O

<Kamping_Kaiser> "The Debian Installer team is proud to announce the first release candidate

<Kamping_Kaiser> (RC1) of the installer for Debian GNU/Linux Etch."

<Kamping_Kaiser> woot

* Kamping_Kaiser throws out sarge cds

<Phlosten_> Kamping_Kaiser: don't throw them out, use them for new age interior design

<Changlinn> OMG Debian kept a release... I was told by someone out end of this year early next and I laughed...

* Changlinn still hass woody cd's at home

<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten_, 'throw out' means 'add to pile of ~500 cds'

<Changlinn> damnit my keyboard is randomly doubling letters again

<Kamping_Kaiser> damn, i should get copies off you Changlinn . would probably run better on my 3/486 then sarge

<Changlinn> heheh

* Kamping_Kaiser chucks damanged manrape 8.2 cds, last suse cds,, and all debian installers

<Changlinn> heh

<Phlosten_> http://linuxmint.com/20061113.html

<Phlosten_> hadnt seen this one before

<Kamping_Kaiser> what is it exactly? ubuntu with a new theme?

<Kamping_Kaiser> and more proprietary?

<Kamping_Kaiser> (i note the destributer logo hasnt been changed...)

<Phlosten_> lots of proprietry stuff it would seem

<Phlosten_> the opposite of gnewsense

* Kamping_Kaiser reaches for flamethrower

<Phlosten_> Kamping_Kaiser: what distros are you currently using?

<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten_, gnewsense. (and when i get my burner runnign, suse will become fedoracore 6)

<Phlosten_> i have this itch to be running another distro on here

<Kamping_Kaiser> whats currently going?

<Phlosten_> Edgy

<Phlosten_> on the server too

<Phlosten_> was thinking of something a bit more streamlined for the server

<Kamping_Kaiser> i hate edgy. its the worst thing i'v seen since suse :P

<Phlosten_> I have my concerns about it too

<Kamping_Kaiser> do you dislike anything particuilarly, or it just doesnt mesh with you?

<Phlosten_> Kamping_Kaiser: what is gnewsense based on, dapper?

<Kamping_Kaiser> yes

<Phlosten_> the latter more so, but FF2 has some issues, and you can notice the general instability around the place

<Phlosten_> constantly restarting things as you notice they have disappeared

<Kamping_Kaiser> i liked ff2, but i was expeciting it to crash, being beta when i still used edgy

<Kamping_Kaiser> oh, nasty

<Phlosten_> there are a couple of things I really like, they are mainly app specific though

<Phlosten_> ie evolution is looking sweet

<Kamping_Kaiser> really? hm

<Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if it does calendaring better now

<Phlosten_> working much better

<Phlosten_> still not 100%, but at a point where I am quite comfortable with it

<Kamping_Kaiser> darn. i hate production servers ;)_

<Phlosten_> i keep looking at gentoo, but I don't know that I really have the time.

<Kamping_Kaiser> i have stage 3 tarball, just havent chrooted it and started playing yet

<Phlosten_> apt rocks my world too, its hard to look past

<Kamping_Kaiser> hehe

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if he should try opensolaris, or taht debian/solaris mix

<Phlosten_> Linux Mint just popped onto sounder

<Phlosten_> not too gloriously though

* Kamping_Kaiser checks email

<Phlosten_> how is the gnewsense community?

<Kamping_Kaiser> so far good, with a few peopel who need to be slapped down a bit

* Kamping_Kaiser has resisted doing the slapping

<Phlosten_> hmm, i think my server is having a nap

<Kamping_Kaiser> wow. jsut taken over 20 cds out of my cd thingy

<Phlosten_> woot!

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> now i have more killdiscs then ubuntu discs *rofl*

<Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if taht says something about me ;)

<Phlosten_> heh

<Phlosten_> i seriously need to sort out my hideously unorganised 'collection' of cd's

<Kamping_Kaiser> hehe

<Kamping_Kaiser> i just did :D

<halex-ab> Mmm, very windy today..

<merlin-linux> gee internode are a great mob

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders what will happen first: thsi dvd breaks and takes out my lappy, or it backs up to my hdd

<halex-ab> merlin-linux, sure are..

<merlin-linux> they credited my account back with the usage of what i downloaded from there mirror that went against my account

<Kamping_Kaiser> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6144782.stm

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, thats what they do o_0

<Kamping_Kaiser> bbc thing: basicly what linuxsa's top bloke did

<merlin-linux> yeah i know Kamping_Kaiser, but i had like a 20 min chat to the guy about other stuff

<halex-ab> Any Simon's always on Whirpool..

<merlin-linux> eg a new adsl2+ modem

<halex-ab> and*

<halex-ab> btw, Simon is 'node's CEO..

<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten_, re linux mint: "Linux Mint is like a customized version of Ubuntu. It uses the same repositories and the same packages. It follows the Ubuntu releases and innovations. Basically, it is 98% Ubuntu, with a few differences: "

<Kamping_Kaiser> lmao

<Kamping_Kaiser> it *is* ubuntu

<Phlosten_> Didnt Microsoft change the EULA in Australia so it doesnt allow this anymore

<Kamping_Kaiser> correct

<Kamping_Kaiser> thats why i was interested

<Kamping_Kaiser> "Ubuntu and Kubuntu tend to follow the "free software" philosophies and for this reason do not include "dirty" software (patented or proprietary technologies for instance)"

<Kamping_Kaiser> the site is wrong on so many levels

<Phlosten_> o_O

<Phlosten_> I see this project copping a lot of flack

<Kamping_Kaiser> just a little

<Kamping_Kaiser> legal and social

<andrew222> pschulz01: Paul, are you there?

<andrew222> bye guys

<pschulz01> ..doh!

<merlin-linux> haha i am bidding on stuff on ebay for my mum

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: Are you sniping?

<merlin-linux> hehe sort of, my ebay account is being tainted with horsey stuff

<merlin-linux> but it all kewl i get the extra ratings

<merlin-linux> pschulz01: i going to have a wifi AP soon

<pschulz01> merlin-linux: Which one?

<merlin-linux> i bought a R100 wireless unit

<klepas> hey hey all

<halex-ab> Heya klepas

<merlin-linux> hi klepas

<klepas> sup?

<merlin-linux> not alot, and yourself?

<klepas> just got home :)

<klepas> considering getting the heater back up into my room; it's quite cold today; rain turned to snow! :)

<klepas> and there is a pantry/fridge to raid! :)

<lucychili> yup ive got my jumper on

<lucychili> its frigging cold

<lucychili> <<shiver>>

<pschulz01> chililucy

<merlin-linux> ah you all whimps

<merlin-linux> i still in shorts and tshirt

<lucychili> pfffftbrrrrwrrthhrjrrj

<lucychili> damn you and your wit pschulz01

<lucychili> =)

<merlin-linux> and i got a cold beer

<lucychili> hows things folks

<lucychili> ive got a brain pain but doing ok

<Kamping_Kaiser> lucychili, when abc put up tonights aust. talks back you should check it out

<Kamping_Kaiser> on copyright

<pschulz01> lucychili: I have to rush off to band practice in a moment.. beck hasn't been well.. she came home early from work.

<Kamping_Kaiser> was a few meantions of opensource

<Kamping_Kaiser> (from callers)

<merlin-linux> lucychili: i am kewl

<lucychili> sorry about that paul

<lucychili> get well beck

<pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Did you record it?

<pschulz01> lucychili: I'll pass it on

<Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, no, was on the radio, i have nothing to record with

<pschulz01> We SHOULD be able to get it from the website then.. in a couple of days.. what was the program?

<Kamping_Kaiser> australia talks back

<pschulz01> Good feedback?

<Kamping_Kaiser> caller feedback was (from what i heard) good

<Kamping_Kaiser> i didnt hear the bit where hte panel talk

<MistaED> hey all, what do you think about all this enhancements to xorg and getting rid of xorg.conf?

<Kamping_Kaiser> hm?

<Kamping_Kaiser> have they finaly got x config file less?

<MistaED> i say "ABOUT BLOODY TIME!" ;) xorg auto-detecting using dbus, desktop configuration for multiple monitors, hotplug support without the need to restart X http://community.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/13/2112259&from=rss

<hysterio> MistaED: yeah I saw the article - and I agree, please end the suffering :)

<siccness> why are they getting rid of of xorg.conf?

<MistaED> Kamping_Kaiser: soon, the only problem is it's for xorg 7.3 which is feisty+1

<siccness> But I only just learnt how to configure xorg

<siccness> Bah

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<MistaED> hehe

<Kamping_Kaiser> MistaED, thats cool. i'm on dapper still ;)

<MistaED> xorg.conf is an absolute dinosaur

<siccness> Won't bother me though.

<siccness> Because I don't update X

<Kamping_Kaiser> MistaED, its dinosaur NG ;)

<MistaED> it really benefits me, i like to be able to plug n' play input devices and monitors on the fly without having a trial & error session with xorg.conf and forever restarting X

<hysterio> I'd love to be able to hook projectors etc to my laptop and not have to stuff around endlessly

<siccness> MistaED: Yeah, I do notice it being a "trial-and-error" thing.,

<MistaED> hysterio: that too, exactly

<MistaED> and a real GUI configurator

<Kamping_Kaiser> meh

<siccness> I don't care for GUI configurators.

<Kamping_Kaiser> whats wrong with gvim? :)

<MistaED> for tablets, i need to manually set the mouse and tablet with udev and have xorg.conf look for them separately

<MistaED> if either of them are not connected, xorg will not start

<siccness> so you setup two xorg.conf files

<siccness> write a script to switch them

<siccness> then load X

<MistaED> sure, keep the configuration human readable, but have a robust GUI configrator as well

<hysterio> siccness: still more painful than it needs to be

<MistaED> siccness: sounds dodgy for a 2006 OS

<siccness> Sure, but I'm only suggesting a work-around.

<hysterio> ;)

<MistaED> their new approach will use dbus, so most all of it will be autodetected anyway on the fly

<siccness> What release, 7.3?

<MistaED> siccness: yeah looks to be

<siccness> when's that due?

<hysterio> as long as it doesnt add massive overhead

<MistaED> when feisty is out, missing the feature freeze timeframe

<siccness> whens feisty due?

<hysterio> 04/07 isnt it?

<Kamping_Kaiser> 06

<siccness> so essentially 8 or so months for 7.3?

<siccness> heh

<MistaED> a real shame feisty will miss it

<MistaED> unless they could backport it into 7.2 :O

<siccness> doesnt ubuntu have xorg updates?

<MistaED> siccness: nope, a stable release holds onto the frozen verison they got from upstream :( so just bugfix/security updates for that version

<siccness> Heh

<hysterio> the release of 7.3 will miss feisty by around 2 months

* Kamping_Kaiser tries to work out which goon show has 'i'm walking backwards for christmas'

<Kamping_Kaiser> narrowed down to 4 - only 2 horus worth of listening

<Kamping_Kaiser> for 1 minutes of song

* MistaED might need to go gentoo for some asap 7.3 loving :)

<siccness> MistaED: If you've got the balls for it.

<siccness> Expect disasterous results upgrading X

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol : http://peonyden.blogspot.com/2005/11/walking-backward-for-christmas.html

<Kamping_Kaiser> the interenets such a random place

<siccness> Ahh there's nothing more exciting than compiling.

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: Should have seen our TAFE today

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, i'm pissed off at mine, i dont want to worry about yours as well :P

<siccness> We had a "role-play" excercise of being a HelpDesk, 1 student as a caller/customer, 1 student as the helpdesk.

<Kamping_Kaiser> LOL

<siccness> I can safely say that not one student in my class will get a job in I.T

<Kamping_Kaiser> bhahaha

<siccness> They're that f...ing useless.

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, dont worry, they will all get a job on an HP or MS helpdesk :D

<siccness> No

<siccness> They wont.

<siccness> I'm not kidding.

<siccness> They're clueless.

<Kamping_Kaiser> yes, they will. have you dealt with HP support?

<Kamping_Kaiser> (or telstras , for thta matter)

<siccness> Telstra have more knowledge then these guys

<Kamping_Kaiser> *giggles*

<siccness> I just wish some of them would do atleast 5 minutes of research outside of TAFE hours. It'd be really nice.

<Kamping_Kaiser> :\

<hysterio> siccness: nothings changed then - it was the same when I went. Group work was a joke

<siccness> Oh oh, this isn't group work :P

<siccness> Luckily we're merging with another campus next year, maybe I'll get lucky and find some intelligent students.

<DarkMageZ> siccness, good luck with that

<Kamping_Kaiser> gl siccness :)

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> Well I'm actually hoping to meet a hot geeky girl

<Kamping_Kaiser> gl again

<DarkMageZ> kgoetz, was it you who was having problems with my repo afew weeks ago?

<Kamping_Kaiser> DarkMageZ, yeh, iirc it was

<adhoc> siccness: good luck with that

<siccness> adhoc: Heheh :)

<DarkMageZ> siccness, they only exist in dreams

<siccness> You dream about geeky women?

<DarkMageZ> i don't dream

* adhoc has met plenty of geeky girls ...

<DarkMageZ> hot :P

<adhoc> shame, as most are married to boring people like accountants

<adhoc> DarkMageZ: even a few of those too ;)

<siccness> Yeah, it's funny how accountants are boring

<siccness> It's not just some accountants, it's essentially all of them.

<adhoc> suit wearing,

<adhoc> fashionable glasses

<siccness> Then again, we're not exactly exciting either, adhoc.

<adhoc> prado/pajero driving

<adhoc> clueless

<siccness> What girl wants to hear "Ohh xorg 7.3 using dbus!!!!"

<purserj> siccness: try doing tech support for 400 of them

<siccness> Heh

<adhoc> purserj: no thanks

* hysterio shudders

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, hte oen who sent the dbus patch :P

<DarkMageZ> :O is xorg 7.3 using dbus?

<siccness> DarkMageZ: Yes sweety :P

* DarkMageZ slaps siccness with a large trout

<purserj> even worse, try doing support for 400 accountants for a set of apps built using windows 95 macros and access 2

<Kamping_Kaiser> bahahahhaahaaaa

<purserj> s/windows 95/word 95/

<Kamping_Kaiser> SUFFFER

<adhoc> purserj: what do you think we smoke crack or something?

<siccness> Haha

<DarkMageZ> this is why i tell people off for asking me to write accounting stuff in office

<hysterio> purserj: thats not support, thats torture

<adhoc> purserj: =/ sorry to hear that actually

<purserj> adhoc: I did it for ten months

<adhoc> purserj: our accountant had a similar thing for excel at ratbag

<adhoc> but he was clueful enough to get it all working =)

<Kamping_Kaiser> bb[s,l]

<purserj> this was for a financial services company

<purserj> when I got the bums rush they were in the middle of rebuilding all their services as web apps

<purserj> ASP.NET had just been released and I was having to teach their web team how to write server side ASP

<DarkMageZ> ... php + mysql ftw

* siccness sings along to Belinda Carlisle

<siccness> oo, thunderbird 2.0 alpha1 is out

<adhoc> i hope they fixed the usenet news 50000 message limit bug =D

<Kamping_Kaiser> hope they fixed the 'swallows email' bloody bug

<DarkMageZ> that was a feature :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> *sp

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> bah nothings changed from alpha1 to alpha1-r1 except some crappy plugin support

<siccness> a waste of 55kb

<merlin-linux> adhoc: my r100 status on DD is packed and dispatched, so i might have it by friday :-)

<siccness> G'day merlin-linux

<merlin-linux> evening siccness

<adhoc> nice

<merlin-linux> adhoc: so except a call from to help set it up in it default form

<merlin-linux> hehe

<merlin-linux> +me

<Kamping_Kaiser> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OSEmulation doest even *meantion* the pdp emulator

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: thats because most ran program loaders

<siccness> Boy, they've made a mess out of gaim beta5

<siccness> *gaim 2.0.0beta5

<shenki_> hello

<siccness> G'day shenkaz

<Kamping_Kaiser> hey

<shenki_> siccness: what'd they do to beta5?

<siccness> How are ya champ?

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<siccness> shenki: they rooted it to hell

<shenki> not too bad. had my last exam today. and think I passed it too :)

<siccness> most noticably, sound options

<shenki> rooted it how?

<shenki> ah, ok

<siccness> it's in a scroll bar like before

<siccness> but this time

<siccness> the scroll-text area is so small

<shenki> where are you getting the package from?

<siccness> so you have to scroll down for each item

<shenki> ah, ok. that sucks

<siccness> shenki: i got it from swinburne gentoo mirror

<siccness> shenki: what version u runnin?

<shenki> oh, you're running gentoo?

<siccness> yup

<siccness> i wanna know if 2.0.0beta4 had "Mute Sounds" option

<shenki> I'm running beta4, which I compiled from the debian unstable package

<siccness> ah, does it have mute sounds under the Tools menu?

<Kamping_Kaiser> · MS06-066: Vulnerabilities in Client Service for NetWare Could Allow Remote Code Execution (923980)

<Kamping_Kaiser> heh

<Kamping_Kaiser> and only 7 critial or important updates... wonder what they are lying about

<siccness> windows?

<Kamping_Kaiser> no, ubuntu call their updates MS :P

<siccness> smartass :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> :P

<siccness> yeah i heard them on the news

<siccness> is that their most high risk flaw?

<Kamping_Kaiser> nah, tahts /the/ important ones, the otehrs are critical

<siccness> Heh

<Kamping_Kaiser> XML, IE, Flash, MS agent, worksation service are the others affected

<Kamping_Kaiser> *MS XML

<siccness> yeah, i only heard it on the radio today "Microsoft have released 6 (or 7?) security patches, one being rated at their highest risk"

<Kamping_Kaiser> one? i have 5 at critical on my list (which is the hiest)

<purserj> got to love the fact that MS updates are now radio news worthy

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<siccness> purserj: Haha

<siccness> it was gold fm man

<siccness> gold fm are great :)

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: you run gaim 1.5.0?

<shenki> siccness: yes. it does. http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6857/gaimsoundsph1.jpg

<Kamping_Kaiser> 1.5.1

<shenki> oldschool

<shenki> no nudging for Kamping_Kaiser :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> phht. youth of today :P

<shenki> heh

* shenki just fixed his segfaulting apt!!!

<Kamping_Kaiser> always gotta be modern

<Kamping_Kaiser> :O

* Kamping_Kaiser is free. fruckit. dont care if its out of date

<siccness> Thanks shenki

* shenki watches youtube

* shenki whistles

<siccness> I thought it was a new feature, clearly I was wrong.

* Kamping_Kaiser goes to work on a project for gns

<shenki> any one got an idea what the srcpkgcache.bin and pkgcache.bin files in /opt/cache/apt are for?

<Kamping_Kaiser> whatever you made them for

<Kamping_Kaiser> no system dependant data is in opt

<Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg -S $filename to see where they come from

<shenki> well, they're made for caching the packages that apt knows about

<shenki> but I was wondering if they were important or not

<Kamping_Kaiser> where do they come from?

<Kamping_Kaiser> unless you mean /var/cache....?

<merlin-linux> w00t, i just had a long chat to my uncle

<merlin-linux> and he is a slackware geek

<shenki> yeah... sorry Kamping_Kaiser

* Kamping_Kaiser grin

* shenki is worn out after exams

<Kamping_Kaiser> thats a bit different then

<shenki> yep

<GrantG> is he a hardcore slackware geek merlin-linux , or does he prefer slack offshoots like arch or zenwalk?

<shenki> and i've worked out what it's for... I think

<shenki> ish :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> heh

<Kamping_Kaiser> what?

<merlin-linux> GrantG: he is hardcore slackware geek

<GrantG> hmm, I prefer arch or zenwalk myself

<siccness> 19mins to compile wxgtk

<siccness> oh the joy :(

<roth-laptop> did anyone see juggz today in here ???

<siccness> i might have vlc running in about 10 weeks.

<merlin-linux> GrantG: i am a debian fan but prefer ubuntu

<hantu> one heck of a crazy weather

<roth-laptop> yeah how about that weather !!

<GrantG> hasn't hit us yet hantu

<adhoc> slackware is for folks who don't remember how bad the old days of unix were ...

<roth-laptop> rain hot clouds hot rain

<merlin-linux> adhoc: my uncle is old as you or older

<adhoc> roth-laptop: as opposed to cold rain this morning on my ride to work at 7am

<adhoc> merlin-linux: and?

<roth-laptop> hehe

<GrantG> maybe even as old as me ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> older then me :D

* adhoc started using unix in ... 88?

<Kamping_Kaiser> phhht. a scary story :P

<roth-laptop> whose old ?

<merlin-linux> adhoc: my uncle got degrees in degrees

* adhoc is turning 60 soon

<roth-laptop> we can start with Whos over 25?

<adhoc> eventually my age will catch up

* hysterio puts his hand up

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol adhoc

<merlin-linux> adhoc: 60, my butt

* Kamping_Kaiser laughs at all you folk over 25

<siccness> I'm under 25.

<roth-laptop> just 2 of us so far

* siccness and Kamping_Kaiser dance

<hysterio> pfft... kids

* Kamping_Kaiser blushes

<siccness> We've still got years left in us :D

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, i'm going to have to be the pretty one in this dance ;P

<adhoc> youth of today ... no respect

<GrantG> it's easier just to state it exactly, I'm 42

<siccness> adhoc: old people...always wrong :P

* siccness runs

<roth-laptop> ye gads you old fossil

<Kamping_Kaiser> thehehee

<merlin-linux> i am 29

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, i hope you dont want you full hdd alocation at uni ;)

* roth-laptop is 27

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: hmm?

* adhoc recent age enough to need 6 bits

* hysterio is 27

<adhoc> youth of today ... no respect

<siccness> You pepple are just old.

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, hm... crafty way of putting it

<siccness> *people

<GrantG> lol

<siccness> :D

* roth-laptop put on his irc glasses

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: thats why im turning 60

<GrantG> young punk :P

<merlin-linux> adhoc: damn right

<Kamping_Kaiser> i only need 5 bits then. (4 limbs and a torso. head optional :D)

<merlin-linux> i demand respect

<siccness> Hahahaha

<roth-laptop> respect my authorathah

<adhoc> quiet all you young whipersnappers

<adhoc> keep the noise down!

<adhoc> oh

<Changlinn> anyone listened to the ubuntuos.com podcast?

<adhoc> never mind

<adhoc> Changlinn: nope?

* merlin-linux yells from the roof at adhoc

* adhoc twiddles bits in the exchange for merlin-linux's adsl connection

<Changlinn> seems to have a lot of listeners, but it seems pretty bad by other standards, ie osota and lugradio

<adhoc> merlin-linux: so you want a smaller PVC hey?

<adhoc> Linux already on PS3! ?!?!?

<Changlinn> adhoc: we already had that today from a dial-up dos

<adhoc> http://ps3.qj.net/Kernel-patches-and-documentation-for-PS3-Linux-Boot-any-PPC-linux-distro-on-your-PS3-/pg/49/aid/72608

<merlin-linux> adhoc: hehe

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, cool?

* Kamping_Kaiser grabs the warhead out of the boot

<siccness> Oh that's just f'ing mad, adhoc

<Changlinn> I think sony actually did some work to get it working

<siccness> Gentoo on a PS3

<siccness> that's some pimp shit

<adhoc> wicked! http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=poster

<adhoc> s/pi/pu/

<Kamping_Kaiser> pump shut?

<adhoc> s/pi/li/

<merlin-linux> adhoc: jenda is pimping that poster

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, old news :P

<merlin-linux> and i have ordered some off him

<adhoc> hey give me a break i don't get out much these days

<siccness> adhoc: great brand NEW spankin news :)

<siccness> I appreciated it!

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: work, eat sleep

<Kamping_Kaiser> adhoc, fine for some to say, but i have to do a 2 day week.

<adhoc> siccness: only so long as lucychili does the spankin

<Kamping_Kaiser> lives tough on the outer rim

<siccness> adhoc: Hahaha

<merlin-linux> adhoc: i don't like the excuses

<adhoc> Kamping_Kaiser: =O

<Kamping_Kaiser> :o

<GrantG> yawn... time for bed, need to rest the old bones...zZzzzz

<GrantG> ;)

<siccness> Take care champ

<Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)

<merlin-linux> GrantG: g'night, ttyl

<roth-laptop> om namah shivaya O_o

<roth-laptop> Ganesh FTW

*** quail_linux is now known as quail

* siccness smacks quail

<merlin-linux> siccness: leave my ssh accessed pc alone, what it do to you?

<siccness> I'm sowwy :)

<merlin-linux> hehe

<Davo_Dinkum> Hi peeps.

<Davo_Dinkum> What ethical reasons are there against buying a DVD product?

<roth-laptop> its not free

<Kamping_Kaiser> zomg t3h dvd/??? t3h sin!!!!

<Davo_Dinkum> Which definition of fre are you using?

<merlin-linux> it bad and you will the rest of your life in hell

<Changlinn> they don't like it when someone writes a player for linux

<Changlinn> merlin-linux: closed source hell

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, the 'free' where you cant legaly play it

<merlin-linux> Changlinn: that too

<Davo_Dinkum> I was actually talking about giving my money to an organisation that requires anyone who wants to make a DVD product to pay them licensing fess.

<siccness> Money better spent elsewhere :)

<Davo_Dinkum> Pretty much. And it goes against the FLOSS movement.

<Changlinn> yeah but if it encrypted and 90% are.. then you watching it in Linux is illegal...

<siccness> Diddums.

<merlin-linux> did every see that MS has come out with there own version of the Ipod with a bigger screen

<siccness> yea

<merlin-linux> oh and wifi access to share stuff with your friends

<Kamping_Kaiser> no, i hadnt

<Changlinn> zune...

<Davo_Dinkum> Good info on http://hackaday.com/

<Davo_Dinkum> About Zune that is.

<merlin-linux> it was on the tv news tonight

<siccness> i didnt know it had wifi tho

<Davo_Dinkum> Serious? This makes TV news?

<siccness> id rather hear about zune then another bomb going off in the middle east

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders if it runs linux

<merlin-linux> well it did in adelaide

<Davo_Dinkum> True, siccness.

<Davo_Dinkum> It does Kamp! >>> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=CWB-IMX31-ADS-LTIB&parentCode=null&nodeId=01272600610332

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh sorry I bit long

<Davo_Dinkum> *a bit long

* Kamping_Kaiser mwhahaha

<roth-laptop> woot my intranet is working

<siccness> i thought you said internet for a second

<merlin-linux> roth-laptop: my beer is working

<roth-laptop> lol

<Davo_Dinkum> Zune has a Toshiba hard drive.

<roth-laptop> my donut is being eaten

<merlin-linux> i made myself a thia noodle soup tonight for suppa

<merlin-linux> and that will be working in the morning

<siccness> i cooked chicken kievs, mash and peas, covered with a thick layer of sicc's great gravy

<roth-laptop> arg wel its working via ip address

<merlin-linux> siccness: were mine

<siccness> were mine?

<siccness> oh wheres mine?

<Davo_Dinkum> thia noodle?

<siccness> I had to deal with the kievs a bit tho, they were split down the middle, and i didnt want to lose the garlic so i had to use tooth picks to close it up

<merlin-linux> thai noodle soup is yummy

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh right

<Davo_Dinkum> Why is it that people in #ubuntu-au can cook?

<siccness> Because we're aussies

<siccness> that's all we do

<merlin-linux> siccness: i do my kievs in the oven

<siccness> if it's not brewin a batch of beer, it's cooking.

<siccness> merlin-linux: im a deep fryer man :)

<siccness> oven takes too long

<Davo_Dinkum> What? Full of fat?

<merlin-linux> and wrap them in alfoil to lock in the juices

<siccness> Again, im an aussie, all I want is fat.

<roth-laptop> F A T

<roth-laptop> i AM fat

<siccness> Nothing with that at all, roth-laptop :)

<siccness> *wrong with that

<roth-laptop> lol im ony 100 kgs tis ok

<Davo_Dinkum> How can I get ktorrrent to start and stop downloading at particular times?

<siccness> Better to enjoy life than eat rcappy salad.

<Davo_Dinkum> Nah I'd rather eat salad.

<Kamping_Kaiser> LOL

<merlin-linux> siccness: i eat salad as a side dish

<siccness> merlin-linux: yes, as a side dish. Next to the big t-bone steak.

<Davo_Dinkum> I should go vegan.

<Kamping_Kaiser> huzah, found `i'm walking backwards for xmas`, it was the last 1.5 minutes of my last goon show *rofl*

<roth-laptop> the meat eats the salad

<roth-laptop> lol the goon show

<roth-laptop> thats winner

<merlin-linux> siccness: you keep your Tbone, i'll go with 500g+ of rump steak

<Kamping_Kaiser> :D

<siccness> I can't stand rump

<Davo_Dinkum> assmeat

<siccness> I'm an eye fillet man to be honest

<merlin-linux> siccness: when you have rump steak te way i do it, you will not look back

<siccness> As I said, finding a good butcher in melbourne is very difficult, merlin-linux.

<siccness> If the meat is no good

<siccness> then the meal is no good.

<siccness> It's as simple as that

<merlin-linux> true

<merlin-linux> but i got a damn good butches i go to

* Kamping_Kaiser rocks

<siccness> There's one good butcher, but he costs a fortune and he's a good 40mins away

<Davo_Dinkum> Stuff the big supermarket chains

<siccness> supermarket meat is crap

<merlin-linux> supermarket meat. i'll throw it back at you

<Davo_Dinkum> I suprised no one jumped down my throat at my vegan comment,

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm

<siccness> I ignored it, Davo_Dinkum :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> Davo_Dinkum, they didnt want to force meat on you :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> (read between the lines if you dont get the comment)

<siccness> I'm not against vegetarians, but if you dare try to convince me, I'll break you.

<siccness> :)

<merlin-linux> when i buy a bit of rump steak from my butches it cost me over 10$ for it, but it always a good meal

<siccness> Around $30 for kg of eye fillet where I go

<merlin-linux> siccness: this just for one bit of rump steak

<siccness> whats the weightage?

<Davo_Dinkum> Actually siccness I said vegan, not vegetarian

<merlin-linux> siccness: it always over 500gs

<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: ahh

* Kamping_Kaiser thinks Davo_Dinkum isnt invited to eat at his place *grin*

<siccness> heh

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: are we having a NY party at your place

<Kamping_Kaiser> merlin-linux, no, at b.water

<Kamping_Kaiser> where theres a bbq ;D:D:D:D

<Davo_Dinkum> Sure you are. Just don't bring alcohol or meat.

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: kewl

<siccness> no alcohol, no meat. bahaha

<Davo_Dinkum> O woops I read that wrong, dammit.

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, your still invited

<merlin-linux> siccness: are you going to be there, and you can try my rissoles

<siccness> ill see if i can pull some magic and get there

<Davo_Dinkum> apt-get to kamp's place!

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, your the wizard :D

<siccness> haha

<merlin-linux> hehe

<Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get bbq-deps

<siccness> emerge -v kampaz

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> rpm -i myplace

<siccness> wtf is rpm

* Kamping_Kaiser forgets the exact syntax

<merlin-linux> dep req siccness

<roth-laptop> lol

<siccness> oh noez, dependancy issues

<purserj> me sighs at complete [INSERT RUDE WORD COMMENTING ON PARENTAGE] developer who pipped me for job, still developing site on the damn production server with all the joys of .inc files

<merlin-linux> hehe

<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, shtml?

<purserj> php

* Kamping_Kaiser is trying to work shtml out atm

<Kamping_Kaiser> aah ok

<purserj> oohh lookey lets leave the damn site directory structure completely browsable without even a default file

<Kamping_Kaiser> i think i'm going to need php... :( suxor

<roth-laptop> thers 2 jobs for network admins

<Davo_Dinkum> Is this Gnome? : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Peace

<siccness> yes

<roth-laptop> being advertised by tafe atm

<siccness> a terrible looking theme, might I add.

<purserj> shtml is old technology, been surpassed by other web languages long time ago

<Davo_Dinkum> Damn this artwork is good !! >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic

<siccness> that too looks terrible

<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, yes, but i still prefer it over php. php might do the job better, it just causes so much mroe stress on server/depends/resources front

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: that look shit

<siccness> ^^

* Kamping_Kaiser cradles retinas

<purserj> arrrgggghhhhhhh people who use .inc for php should be shot. I can see the bloody db connect info including passwords and usernames

<siccness> LOL

<Kamping_Kaiser> aahahhahahaha

<siccness> That's just f'ing classic.

<Davo_Dinkum> How can I get ktorrrent to start and stop downloading at particular times?

<siccness> cron!

<Davo_Dinkum> WTF?

<roth-laptop> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> LOL

<Davo_Dinkum> Please let it have a GUI.

<purserj> Boys and girls, this is what happens when you get "A mate of a mate" to builf your site

<roth-laptop> you shoudl see my site :D

<siccness> :D

<purserj> roth-laptop: this is meant to be an ecommerce site, taking CC details and all

<roth-laptop> mines complete with spelling mistakes

<roth-laptop> ooo ouch

<siccness> purserj: Eek :|

<Davo_Dinkum> Ahh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron

<merlin-linux> Davo_Dinkum: this a better DE >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/Screenshot26102006.jpg

<roth-laptop> http://rothech.no-ip.biz

<purserj> siccness: yeah

<roth-laptop> IS WINRAR

<purserj> roth-laptop: I get Cannot be found

<roth-laptop> oh lawd

<roth-laptop> oh rothtech

<roth-laptop> :D

<adhoc> aaarrrr; http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=698

<adhoc> this site has some very cool stuff on it

<merlin-linux> and here is my evil dog >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/IMG_0182.JPG

<purserj> OFFS there is even a "Difference Between Local and Remote Versions" file

* Kamping_Kaiser cracks up

<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, what the fuck /are/ you dealing with?

<siccness> ^^

<siccness> I think fuck should be between slashes, Kamping_Kaiser :)

<Davo_Dinkum> F****** javascript

<merlin-linux> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, either way :D

<roth-laptop> indeed

<Kamping_Kaiser> oh ffs

<siccness> I could care about language, but no.

<roth-laptop> dag nabit

* purserj is putting together an email to client pointing out some of the problems

<purserj> well potential client

<adhoc> you guys wanted to know where the hot geek grrls were? http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=192

<adhoc> and on that note,

<siccness> That's a picture of a t-shirt

<adhoc> i'm off to bed

<siccness> Where the hell are the actual girls?

<adhoc> night all ..

<siccness> Night mate.

<cafuego> www.girlshop.com

<Hobbsee> siccness: hiding from you

<siccness> Hobbsee: You hurt my feelings :(

<adhoc> siccness: you don't see the Member JinxPIX area?

<Hobbsee> awww

<Hobbsee> siccness: hiding from everyone else too, i note

<Davo_Dinkum> thinkgeek has good pics too

<siccness> :)

<Davo_Dinkum> I got my binary clock off thinkgeek. Good stuff.

<cafuego> adhoc: that's offscreen on 1024x768

<adhoc> its on screen on my lappy

<adhoc> oh

* cafuego has a binary clock too. Usually it's off but sometimes it's on. hey-ho. try the beef.

* adhoc should make one ...

<adhoc> night

<cafuego> http://www.yawarra.com.au/ourteam.php

<Davo_Dinkum> Night adhoc.

<Phlosten> lol

<Davo_Dinkum> OK so how do I set up cron to open ktorrent at midnight and close it at midday?

<roth-laptop> lol at lego mans

<cafuego> shiny wifi hardware though

<cafuego> for $900 you vna own a 1GB CF OpenBSD wallmountable all-weather OpenBSD box with 2 pci 400mW cards on POE

<siccness> Davo_Dinkum: http://www.scrounge.org/linux/cron.html

<roth-laptop> any company that is using lego mans on there website has to be a top bunch of blokes/shelias

<merlin-linux> lol i want this sticker for my laptop >>> http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=143

<merlin-linux> this kewl too to have on a laptop >>> http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=157

<siccness> Japan got hit by a tsunami

<cafuego> just now?

<merlin-linux> and another for a laptop >>> http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=249

<purserj> siccness: linky?

<merlin-linux> http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=350

<siccness> purserj: cant find link

<siccness> i heard it on ch9 news

<siccness> they know shitall about it

<purserj> hmm

<siccness> happened like 10mins ago

<merlin-linux> This sticker is funny, *especially* funny for the hotmail users out there... >>> http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=153

<purserj> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/11/15/japan.tsunami.ap/index.html <-- Warning

<siccness> :|

<purserj> damn 8.1 quake

<Davo_Din1um> I still have no idea how to set up cron to open and close ktorrent.

<shenki> 8.1? lateline just said that it was 7.7

<shenki> it's growing :)

<siccness> I heard 8.1

<purserj> 8.1 according to the BBC

<shenki> wikipedia is sooooo slooow tonight (again)

<cafuego> and that AVI download sure ain't helping ;-)

<Davo_Din1um> how can i tell natalius to open an invisible directory by typing somehting into a shell

<Davo_Din1um> ?

<purserj> try ctrl-l

<Davo_Din1um> that's all I have to type?

<purserj> Should be

<shenki> heh. merdoch says that our 'net access is too slow :)

<purserj> to continue my rant earlier I have just discovered a "Improvements to make to my framework file"

<siccness> Do you mean, type something into shell that'll open nautilus with a specific hidden directory?

<shenki> siccness: nah, that lets you type into a 'location bar' to open file, from within a nautilus window

<siccness> now im even more confused.

<siccness> :D

<Davo_Din1um> siccness: What you said first is what I want to do.

<siccness> then: nautilus .directory

<Davo_Din1um> F*** this guide isn't helping: http://www.math-linux.com/spip.php?article45

<purserj> In his list of things to do he has this: Get PHP textbook from uni - read for general purpose info

<Davo_Din1um> SO far all I have is this (for ktorrent to open at 12.01 midnight everyday of the week, every month and every day of the week

<Davo_Din1um> # 010*** command

<Davo_Din1um> Will that work?

<siccness> test it

<Davo_Din1um> Do I need spaces between the *'s or anything?

<purserj> welcome back Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> ty

<siccness> yes, Davo_Din1um

<purserj> Just for your reading pleasure I'll repeat what I just said

<purserj> to continue my rant earlier I have just discovered a "Improvements to make to my framework file"

<praetorian> hm/

<praetorian> ?

<purserj> In his list of things to do he has this: Get PHP textbook from uni - read for general purpose info

<siccness> it should be: 0 0 * * *

<siccness> so it starts at midnight

<praetorian> whats this?

<purserj> praetorian: me?

<praetorian> ya

<Davo_Din1um> siccness: I do? When I typed "crontab -l" into a shell, the job cam up. Doesn't that mean it will work?

<siccness> no

<purserj> A client I got pipped for a while back. I browsed to the site to see how things were going and found an abomination

<siccness> it might work

<Kamping_Kaiser> purserj, i feel for you :(

<praetorian&g