<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: that will test your css file

<Jester45> cool

<cellofellow> Jester45: what's cool?

<Commander-Crowe> hey

<Commander-Crowe> typo

<MattJ> Windows Vista will build upon the User Account Control initiative to limit Internet Explorer to just enough privileges to browse the Web, but not enough to modify user files or settings by default. This Windows Vista-only feature, known as Protected mode, will be in Windows Vista Beta 2.

<j1mc> hey all . . . today i volunteered at Free Geek Chicago ( http://www.freegeekchicago.org ). we take donated computers, test them, strip them down, test the individual compenents, build them up, put Xubuntu (!) on them, and sell them or give them away.

<MattJ> Vista-only feature, roffffl

<j1mc> it's a pretty neat group.

<Jester45> j1mc: to bad i dont live inchicago

<JKnife> why Xubuntu? why not Kubuntu? or Ubuntu? or Fluxbuntu?

<Jester45> xubuntu faster

<JKnife> XFCE faster then fluxbox? gotta see that one myself

<Jester45> becuase donated computers arent allways top of the line

<MattJ> Xfce is easier to use than fluxbox

<Jester45> JKnife: they want it to look good

<Jester45> and that

<Jester45> JKnife: why not give them just cli no X that would be faster

<JKnife> o.O well i guess yall havn't seen good fluxbox desktops

<j1mc> haha . . . Jester45 give a noob a cli? sure . . . :)

<JKnife> :)

<j1mc> Most of what we deal with is around PII - PIII . . . Xubuntu works well enough on those machines.

<Jester45> j1mc: thats why you use xubuntu its fast but usable

<Jester45> i think flux is ugly

<j1mc> a lot of the machines could stand to run Damn Small Linux, though.

<JKnife> o.O yep you havn't seen a decent fluxbox desktop

<MattJ> I tried DSL on my PC once

<j1mc> we see a fair share of P-I computers.

<MattJ> It scared me from Linux for another year and a half

<j1mc> heh . . .

<Commander-Crowe> well i can't seem to find the css equivalent of <center>

<jrombousk> hello

<JKnife> really? wow i think DSL is great

<MattJ> Commander-Crowe: There is none

<Jester45> the only thing i like about DSL is the text on the backgroud for system info

<MattJ> Commander-Crowe: margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;

<JKnife> jrombousk: shhh.. we are talking =P

<Jester45> i have panle addon for it but itsnot the same

<jrombousk> does anyone know how to get xubuntu 6.06 to burn properly? (i keep getting corrupt .deb files in installatio)

<jrombousk> (sorry, i just cant get my laptop to run)

<MattJ> Commander-Crowe: That does it, sometimes it needs to be display:block; to work

<JKnife> jrombousk: it was a joke.. what speed are you burning at?

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<jrombousk> 8x

<jrombousk> just cause i am loading it through lan

<jrombousk> the burner goes up to 52

<JKnife> try it on 8x and is the md5 sum of the iso right?

<MattJ> JKnife: When I tried DSL, a backspace in the user/pass login screen counted as a character

<Jester45> jrombousk: im sorry

<JKnife> MattJ: :) that is one of the reason that made it great

<MattJ> JKnife: If I made a mistake, the only way was to hit enter and start again

<jrombousk> yeap, i followed the instructions on the site, used their programs, and it verified with imgburn

<MattJ> JKnife: *sigh*

<JKnife> jrombousk: cdr or cdrw?

<jrombousk> cdr

<JKnife> uhmm.. try burning another iso.. like the ubuntu alt cd and see if it messes up.. if so it mught be the burner

<jrombousk> i tried burning it under ubuntu , nero, and imgburn, it finds corruption in differnt locations for each time

<Commander-Crowe> no its not working

<cellofellow> Jester45: what is the name of that slit app that whows the system text in dsl?

<jrombousk> its the alt cd i'm already using, and tried with 2 differn't burners, on a 52x cdrw, the other a slim dvd-rw/cd-rw

<Jester45> cellofellow: i dont know but i want it

<kalikiana> Does one of you have a gtkhtml2 reference handy?

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: you can set a style like p.center or something that makes a centered paragraph. Classes are cool.

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> so instead of <p> I do <p.center> ?

<sc0tt> <p class="center">

<cellofellow> Jester45: DSL is built off of Debian woody I think. there should be some list of used packages

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Jester45> well on the DSL site they have a list of packages that it comeswith

<cellofellow> Jester45: on their dev stuff their may be a list of packages they've used.

<JKnife> jrombousk: =/ don't know what to tell ya

<jrombousk> (btw sys specs are 333mhz pII, 64mb ram, hence the alt cd)

<cellofellow> doesn't Xubuntu recoommend 128mb ram?

<Jester45> FOR THE live cd

<cellofellow> I know K/Ubuntu recommend 256

<cellofellow> Jester45: ah

<jrombousk> it does if u are using the normal install cd, but the alt only requires 64 cause it doesn't have the live cd capability

<JKnife> 192 fir the live cd, 64 for a install

<Commander-Crowe> sc0tt didn't work

<Jester45> cellofellow: the live cd uses more ram becuase your running a system the text based dosent load x or anything

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: have you looked at the w3schools thing? It's all in there the rudimentary CSS knowledge I have came from reading some of it.

<MattJ> Who was it who wanted to know how to prevent users shutting down the PC? Was it you kalikiana?

<cellofellow> wasp_ems: i think it's mplayer -v plugin

<cellofellow> mplayer -v <plugin> <file>

<cellofellow> or, in gmplayer, you can right click on the control window and choose a plugin in prefrences

<kalikiana> MattJ: I was not it.

<MattJ> :/

<ormiret> Jester45: have you gotten the wireless working yet?

<Jester45> no

<cellofellow> Jester45: what card?

<wasp_ems> cellofellow, ok fixed it thanks

<cellofellow> wasp_ems: :)

<ormiret> Jester45: OK, is there an interface for the wireless card? (run ifconfig to see what interfaces there are).

<JKnife> ormiret: he should do ifconfig -a

<JKnife> but hey.. i am not the one running Xubuntu XD

<jrombousk> hah, silly question, how important is LTSP chroot ? it wont install properly...

<Jester45> cellofellow its a linksys wpc11 version 4

<Jester45> ormiret im not at the lappy right now but give me a second

<Jester45> nevermind

<Jester45> i cant get on the lappy

<boris55> finally got my wireless working,,

<wasp_ems> another problem if u can help with is that when playing a movie in mplayer even though i choose full screen a small window only plays in the middle of the screen..anyone know how to fix it?

<wasp_ems> ok nevermind..in order to connect to a windows network what do i need to do

<kalikiana> wasp_ems: try pyNeighborhood

<wasp_ems> ok thanx

<mjgoins> is there a way of doing a non-graphical install for systems with only 128 MB of ram? I'm installing on a laptop and it's too slow to actually get through the install

<qch> Are you using the alternate install disc ?

<mjgoins> no, didn't know about it

<mjgoins> where is it?

<qch> Ah

<qch> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/

<qch> or

<qch> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/

<qch> if you want Dapper.

<qch> Get the Alternate install CD ISO

<mjgoins> sweet, thanks a lot

<qch> np

<MattJ> Good night all

<mjgoins> ugh, it doesn't detect my usb ethernet device

<mjgoins> it thinks I have firewire, but I don't

<mjgoins> might have to go back to openbsd, which is no picnic in itself

<mjgoins> if I finish the install, I assume I can load a kernel module to get my usb ethernet working...?

<cellofellow> anyone know how to install GTK2 themes?

<cellofellow> it's to quite. vi vs. emacs!?

<mjgoins> Quite.

<cellofellow> mjgoins: I agree

* mjgoins slaps forehead

<cellofellow> vi vs. emacs vs nano vs randomo-gui-editor!

<cellofellow> way too quite

<cellofellow> ppc vs x86?

<JKnife> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15671374/ wow there are some stupid people in the world

<cellofellow> gee, that is sort of stupid

<JKnife> x86.. ppc is gonna die in a few years...

<JKnife> there will still be basic x86 support though

<cellofellow> what about x86_64?

<JKnife> x86_64 supports x86...

<cellofellow> oh

<cellofellow> JKnife: the, what about x86_64 vs. Cell?

<JKnife> i do not see Cell getting really big..

<JKnife> well on a home by home bais

<JKnife> cept for the ps3.. else they will be used for cluster compiling in big companys

<cellofellow> well, Cell is a better PPC, so I thought it might make a good comparison

<JKnife> Apple are the only ones that kept the PPC alive

<cellofellow> doesn't IBM have Power servers?

<cellofellow> brb

<bubba_jones> i need help with my screen resolution setting.

<bubba_jones> looks like it was set to 300x200 and I need to get it set back to normal.

<cellofellow> hey, that worked, except I now have to fix init, I openned the services panel, and turned off kdm before turning on gdm

<cellofellow> while I'm at it, how do I change usplash?

<phlasphy> hey all

<cellofellow> !usplash

<ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto

<phlasphy> cellofellow: i am downloading xubuntu

<phlasphy> is it worth the 16 hours wait

<phlasphy> ?

<cellofellow> phlasphy: yes

<j1mc> 16 hour wait? are you on dialup?

<cellofellow> I waited 6 weeks used shipit, id have dsl but no cd burner

<phlasphy> well my broadband got capped

<cellofellow> s/id/i

<j1mc> hm

<phlasphy> cellofellow: so you do not have 6.20

<phlasphy> 6.10 sorry

<cellofellow> I do, I updated from dapper

<phlasphy> ohh ok

* cellofellow wonders how there can be 20 months in a year

<phlasphy> what lol

<cellofellow> 6.10 meens 2006, October

<JKnife> <year>.<month>

<phlasphy> ohh ok awesome that is new to me

<phlasphy> i take it u all the cholestrol free desktop

<cellofellow> mine is kubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed over it, so a hybrid

<JKnife> mine is <balh> with gnome/kde/xfce

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> when/if i need help can u lot help me and not just tell me to google it

<JKnife> i will say RTFM IF I KNOW for a fact it is in there

<JKnife> if not yeah i will help

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> what about if i read it and dont get it

<cellofellow> usually help is heer

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> the gentoo lot has the best support of the distros i have tried

<cellofellow> well, I think *buntu has a good blend of community and commercial

<phlasphy> i could not even install gentoo though :(

<cellofellow> i've never had trouble

<phlasphy> ok

<JKnife> gentoo = fun to install =)

<cellofellow> ask JKnife about his gentoo adventure ;)

<cellofellow> I was too slow

<JKnife> :)

<phlasphy> JKnife: what happened

<JKnife> ?uhmm,

<JKnife> it worked

<cellofellow> then he quit

<cellofellow> and tried another new thing

<phlasphy> did you do live dvd or cd

* JKnife has never had problems installing gentoo, EVER

<JKnife> cellofellow: shhhh

<JKnife> phlasphy: mini-cd and pulled stages and did a cli install

<JKnife> not this new crap

<phlasphy> lol i tried that it kept stuffing up

<phlasphy> then i tried the new 1

<phlasphy> nothing but problems

<phlasphy> so i gave up

<JKnife> cellofellow: this verion i am running is a LOT better then the old version

<JKnife> phlasphy: =/

<phlasphy> is there a xubuntu-chat here

* cellofellow uses K/Xubuntu Edgy Eft and is happy

<cellofellow> phlasphy: xubuntu-offtopic

<cellofellow> but we like never use it :D

<JKnife> this IS the chat, general crap, devel is in -devel

<cellofellow> this is support, but it's a lot more easy going than k/ubuntu

<phlasphy> i was under the impression that buntu is for noobs

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> we ARE all noobs.. AND DO NOT FORGET IT

<cellofellow> it's got a lot of noob-oriented stuff, but isn't crippling like linspire or *gasp* windows

<phlasphy> really

<JKnife> everyone is a noob, if they say other wise they are idiots

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> but you can still do advanced things on it

<cellofellow> yes, like I said it isn't crippling

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> phlasphy: so, you're downloading xubuntu over dial-up?

<phlasphy> over dialup speed adsl

<JKnife> poor $#@(#

<phlasphy> why

<JKnife> tried torrents?

<cellofellow> when I had dial-up, the longest continuos connection I could muster was about 20 mins

<phlasphy> no adsl this is constant wont stop

<cellofellow> torrents hate slow adsl and dialup cause they upload

* cellofellow never even heard of linux when he had dial-up

<phlasphy> i hate torrents they chew through my download limits with there uploading

<cellofellow> get a different isp that doesn't put limits.

<phlasphy> where do you live?

<cellofellow> my connection isn't flaming fast, but it's unlimited

<cellofellow> utah

<phlasphy> i am in australia

<cellofellow> ooh

<phlasphy> any aussies here

<cellofellow> sometimes

<phlasphy> ok now?

<cellofellow> dunno

<cellofellow> I gues your isp choices in australia are somewhat limited? unless you're in the city

* cellofellow is reconfiguring usplash

<phlasphy> yeah

<phlasphy> do you have pics of your desktops

<phlasphy> ?

* cellofellow is reconfiguring usplash

<cellofellow> oops

<cellofellow> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/screenshots

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> I switched to Xubuntu cause it's quite a bit faster than Kubuntu. I suppose I could have turned off all the special effects but oh, well.

<phlasphy> thats funny lol

<cellofellow> i was just in kde today, and it was like an ox, big and slow. I remember I'd turned on translucency and went and switched it off it went faster after that.

<cellofellow> phlasphy: can't be that funny

<phlasphy> it is fairly funny

<cellofellow> whatcha using right now?

<phlasphy> windows lol

<cellofellow> xp, 98, ?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> ...ME?

<cellofellow> eeewww my mom's lappy is me I so want to put xubuntu on it

<phlasphy> XP

<cellofellow> ooops

* cellofellow feels a little screwed up

<cellofellow> phlasphy: ya gonna dual boot or wipe the disk?

<phlasphy> canu customize XFCE like OPENBOX

<phlasphy> dual boot

<phlasphy> on two seperat hdds

<cellofellow> phlasphy: I'm unfamiliar with openbox

<phlasphy> just incase i dont like

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> XFCE in Xubuntu is designed to look like gnome at first. normally XFCE takes after CDE

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> could u make XFCE look like this

<phlasphy> ???

<cellofellow> mine right now looks sort of weird. the screeny is all customized

<cellofellow> look like what?

<phlasphy> http://offload1.icculus.org/openbox/sho]ts/full/cronos.jpg sorry

<phlasphy> oops

<phlasphy> http://offload1.icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/cronos.jpg

<cellofellow> it's ok the fox is still waking up

<phlasphy> who is the fox?

<cellofellow> firefox

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<phlasphy> i am using opera lol

<cellofellow> uh, well, those widgets are crazy-cool, but I don't know

<cellofellow> I think that it can't look just like that

<phlasphy> what are the widgets in there

<cellofellow> but I think openbox might be in universe

<phlasphy> what you mean universe

<cellofellow> extra-packages repository

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> so what in that pic are the widgets

<cellofellow> there's main, restricted, universe, and multiverse, and commercial

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> man and restricted are supported, universe and multiverse are not

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> commercial is supported too I think

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> so what are the windgets

<phlasphy> so what are the widgets

<cellofellow> aren't those things in the background widgets

<cellofellow> openbox is available :)

<phlasphy> i am a noob i dont even know what a widget is

<cellofellow> ok

<phlasphy> what do you use for audio

<cellofellow> I use xmms, but I also like amaroK, although amaroK is a KDE app.

<boris55> can someone walk me though getting beryl installed?

<cellofellow> amaroK is sort of iTunes-ish

<cellofellow> but no store.

<phlasphy> yeah can i use amarok on XFCE

<cellofellow> xmms is like winamp

<cellofellow> and mplayer for video

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> !beryl

<ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl

<cellofellow> boris55: try the xgl channel

<boris55> thank

<boris55> you

<boris55> after nvidia is installed you have to be careful picking a resoution.

<boris55> my refresh rates aren't showing up correctly.

<cellofellow> oh

<cellofellow> anyone know where scite puts its icon?

<cellofellow> t'aint in /usr/share/pixmaps

<cellofellow> found it, it was in pixmaps, it just had a weird name had to use a graphical file browser

<JKnife> cellofellow: /usr/share/icons/<blah>/<ssize>/apps?

<JKnife> ohh

<cellofellow> for the record, it's /usr/share/pixmaps/Sci48M.png

<cellofellow> phlasphy: just because I use amaroK doesn't meen it's a good choice. I'd try something like Banshee or RythmBox first,

<cellofellow> anyone know a good graphical samba server configuration app?

<phlasphy> i like amarok it came with slackware

<phlasphy> amarok rocks

<cellofellow> it's a KDE app, so it might not like running in XFCE I don't know. I still have KDE so it just loads what it wants.

<cellofellow> hi Nameless-One

<Nameless-One> hello

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> hey Nameless-One

<cellofellow> phlasphy: what is it?

<Nameless-One> question time

<Nameless-One> i'm a newb to linux, for some reason each time i want to go online i have to type 'sudo dhclient eth0' at the terminal, is there a way to automate this so i dont have to do it all the time

<crimsun> check your interfaces(5)

<crimsun> iface eth0 inet dhcp

<crimsun> auto eth0

<Nameless-One> do i type that into the terminal?

<phlasphy> yeah

<Nameless-One> says command not found

<Nameless-One> for the first one

<phlasphy> you mean that

<phlasphy> check your interfaces(5) that

<Nameless-One> iface eth0 inet dhcp

<Nameless-One> that

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> i am a newb too

<Nameless-One> i'm still coming to grips with the command line

<phlasphy> ohh ok i am downloading xubuntu now

<phlasphy> do you find XFCE good

<Nameless-One> its good for my needs

<phlasphy> Nameless-One: where are you from

<Nameless-One> new zealand

<phlasphy> i am in australia

<Nameless-One> i like xfce's responsiveness

<phlasphy> ok

<somerville32> Hey Everyone :]

<somerville32> !seen seveas

<ubotu> I last saw Seveas (n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas) 8m 34s ago, quiting: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/brain"

* somerville32 goes "doh"

<JKnife> TRANSFORMERS!!! http://nov.4chan.org/gif/src/1163391028036.gif

<phlasphy> lol

<cellofellow> somerville32: yeah, you just missed him

<Nameless-One> 0.o

<somerville32> :]

<Nameless-One> new question

<JKnife> no

<cellofellow> what new question?

<Nameless-One> to get my internet working i had to add some addressess to the dns tab on network settings, but because i have dhcp enabled, it rewrites over them every time i boot fresh, what do i do to setup this static ip thing instead of dhcp

<JKnife> always cutting my feet out from under me =)

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: uh

<Nameless-One> what do i need to put into ip address, subnet mask and gateway address

<boris55> xfce is pretty good. simple, uncomplicated.

<cellofellow> I never did this with xfce, only kde, one minute

<Nameless-One> xfce is the god of desktop environments

<somerville32> :]

<cellofellow> one sec

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: open Applications=>System=>Networking

<Nameless-One> ya

<cellofellow> where it says Wired connection, select that and click properties

<Nameless-One> ok

<cellofellow> change configuration to static

<Nameless-One> what numbers do i need to enter

<cellofellow> put an address like 192.168.0.6, and a subnet mask should be 255.255.255.0 on a home network, and gateway is your routers address usually

<cellofellow> then configure your router so its available dhcp addresses do not include the address you picked.

<Nameless-One> ok thanks, i'll try it soon, i gotta go for awhile

<cellofellow> ok

<cellofellow> too bad I can't keep screen running when I reboot. :[

<phlasphy> what lol

<cellofellow> I know, rediculous

<phlasphy> why would you want to

<cellofellow> just so I could stay online while I rebooted. :)

<cellofellow> to see if reconfiguring usplash worked

<cellofellow> ridiculous, I know

<cellofellow> what I was really wishing was being able to move the screen session to a different machine, like when moving it to a different terminal

<phlasphy> pfffffffft i AM TOO NEWBISH TO KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN

<cellofellow> ask JKnife he's the screen expert

<phlasphy> nah

<JKnife> cellofellow: you would have to use SSH for that

<cellofellow> I've a server with ssh, but I don't see how that helps

<cellofellow> oh, never mind

<phlasphy> putty and ssh is kewl

<cellofellow> phlasphy: tried adding xming to the mix?

<phlasphy> no

<delaney> My option for DATE AND TIME in right click > system > date and time will not respond to anything.. i continue to try and use it and it just ignores me.. anyone able to help me fix this?

<cellofellow> it's neat. You choose the X forward option in putty, and when you run a graphical program in the putty terminal, it runs as if it was locally, provided the x server's running.

<cellofellow> delaney: you root?

<delaney> cellofellow, i have sudo capabilities

<delaney> and ive tried running it as root after sudo su

<delaney> normally it runs and asks me for my password

<delaney> but it wont even do that

<cellofellow> use gksu <command>

<cellofellow> that will be nicer to graphical apps that want to be root

<delaney> cellofellow, it used to work from the menu though.. why suddenly does it not work when it always has

<delaney> time-admin is the only app i know to change time and date

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: how's the CSS coming?

<delaney> i wouldnt know how to do it otherwise

<phlasphy> type date into the command line

<cellofellow> delaney: never messed with it sorry. :(

<Commander-Crowe> cellofellow so far everything works fine except for the <center> thing

<Commander-Crowe> I'll just use good ol' css on it

<Commander-Crowe> oops

<cellofellow> you meen html

<Commander-Crowe> HTML*

<Commander-Crowe> yeah

<phlasphy> delaney: type date into xterm

<phlasphy> delaney: what is the output?

<delaney> Mon Nov 13 00:58:10 AST 2006

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> the syntax is date mmddhhmmyyyy ok

<somerville32> Delaney: You live in Atlantic Canada?

<phlasphy> do you inderstand that

<delaney> somerville32, yes i do.

<somerville32> Me too

<delaney> moncton new brunswick.

<phlasphy> delaney: do you understand

<somerville32> <g>

<somerville32> Frendericton here

<delaney> phlasphy, rad. thats good to know but im still left wondering why SUDDENLY the way ive been doing it for two years doesnt work

<delaney> when it did just two days ago

<phlasphy> no idea

<phlasphy> i am a noob myself

<delaney> somerville32, my brother lives there. i did four years there as well as unb

<somerville32> Cool <g>

<cellofellow> phlasphy: brave noob to be trying gentoo and slackware

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> well slackware is easy

<phlasphy> it just doesnt handle dependencies

* cellofellow has stuck with debian and company

<phlasphy> and gentoo dont bother with it unless your are experience

<cellofellow> DSL, Ubuntu, Debian inself, knoppix

<delaney> Segmentation fault (core dumped)

<delaney> thats the return from time-amin

<delaney> *time-admin

<phlasphy> no idea sorry

<phlasphy> i was about to say do a system restore lol

<delaney> phlasphy, reinstall everything u mean?

<cellofellow> segmentation fault. sounds like it's not reading names right

<Nameless-One> hallo

<phlasphy> no windows has an option where is loads everything back to how it was a while ago i am too used to windows

<cellofellow> phlasphy: this is linux, don't bting that junk in here

<phlasphy> lol

<somerville32> !windows

<phlasphy> ok

<ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents

<cellofellow> phlasphy: it says it does but it doesn't

<phlasphy> i know

<delaney> cellofellow, i removed the xubuntu-system-tools package then used synaptic to remove residuals.. then reinstalled

<delaney> no luck though.

<phlasphy> actually i am going to go to slackware lol

<phlasphy> can i still hang around here

<Nameless-One> omg slackware

<delaney> cellofellow, when i then installed the gnome-system-tools as root time-admin worked from console but not from menus

<delaney> just seems strange.

<cellofellow> the grandpa of linux distros

<phlasphy> Nameless-One: wat about it lol

<delaney> the only thing i can figure is that upgrading to xfce 4.4 RC2 broke it.. but i know noone on RC2 to confirm

<cellofellow> delaney: never used the gnome tools sorry. I like fluxbox, kde, and xfce not gnome

<delaney> cellofellow, i dont like gnome i just installed the package to see what it might show differently

<delaney> then removed it

<cellofellow> delaney: don't try installing RC2 cause it's not in the distro tree for edgy. feisty yes, but not edgy

<cellofellow> delaney: purge everything and reinstall the software. :)

<cellofellow> just kidding it's got to be fixable

<Nameless-One> when is the next ubuntu release

<phlasphy> !slackware

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slackware - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> april

<delaney> id love to run feisty but right now im just getting problems *that i know of* with time-amin

<delaney> if i install feisty ill have problems with everything every few days

<phlasphy> Nameless-One: have you tried slackware

<phlasphy> ?

<Nameless-One> gah april, no i havent tried slack

<cellofellow> delaney: you may have to reinstall

<phlasphy> Nameless-One: ok

<delaney> anyone in here running xfce 4.4 rc2 to verify my problem?

<cellofellow> delaney: and don't try stuff that's bleeding edge. cutting edge is good enough. or use Sid.

<Nameless-One> only ever used mandrake and ubuntu

<phlasphy> ok

<delaney> cellofellow, ive never used straight debian.. perhaps i should

<cellofellow> mandrake/mandriva is sort of an also-ran

<cellofellow> delaney: ubuntu is taking Sid, which always hast the newest packages, freezing it, and making it into a real distro

<Nameless-One> i'm still running the ol xfce 4.4 beta2 that came with the distro, i dont know how to upgrade it, my noobishness has overcome me

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: you must be on dapper

<Nameless-One> no, i'm on edgy

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: edgy has RC 1

<delaney> RC2 fixes all the problems with trash

<delaney> and thunar crashing the desktop as well

<cellofellow> it would have auto-upgraded

<Nameless-One> it does? my about screen says beta 2

<delaney> ill sacrifice date and time for that.

<cellofellow> delaney: I'm waiting for feisty.

<Nameless-One> Xfce 4 Desktop Environment

<Nameless-One> version 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)

<cellofellow> pretty sure the xfce in edgy is 4.4rc1

<Ubugtu> XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed] http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4

<delaney> beta 2

<crimsun> cellofellow: post RC1

<delaney> not rc1

<delaney> perhaps im wrong..

<crimsun> no. We have post RC1 plus a few svn commits.

<cellofellow> !xfce4 edgy

<crimsun> feisty currently has RC2

<somerville32> Crimsun: ping

<ubotu> xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.90.2 (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB

<cellofellow> i think xfce was at rc1 when edgy froze

<crimsun> look at the svn revision ideas.

<crimsun> IDs

<crimsun> somerville32: pong

<cellofellow> feisty will currently have rc2, it may bet stable

<cellofellow> get

<somerville32> Crimsun: Are you going to be able to attend the meeting?

<somerville32> You said something about a holiday

* cellofellow likes meetings I take a parliamentary proceedure class.

<somerville32> ;]

<Nameless-One> on www.xubuntu.org it says edgy has Xfce 4.4 BETA 2

<cellofellow> somerville32: you use Roberts in these Open source developers meetings

<crimsun> somerville32: the 25th is the holiday weekend; my sister leaves the country that day so I won't be able to attend

<crimsun> I'm flying cross-country with her to see her off

<cellofellow> bye bye

<somerville32> Crimsun: Doh. Jani really wants you at the meeting, haha

<somerville32> I might have to reschedule the whole thing :P

<crimsun> no need to reschedule around me

<somerville32> There is like 6 Xubuntu devs

<somerville32> And most aren't active

<somerville32> You're one of the few actives ones, haha

<crimsun> err, two are quite active (Jani & Gauvain)

<Nameless-One> (18:02:25) NickServ: (notice) Password accepted - you are now recognized

<somerville32> So that makes four of us?

<crimsun> no idea, honestly

<somerville32> Who is Júlio Santos Monteiro?

<delaney> im gonna try a regression to RC1 see what that does to date time

<Nameless-One> bah, the conversation has died out

<phlasphy> rofl

<somerville32> Well, I'm off to bed.

<Nameless-One> i want to disable dhcp and set up a static ip address for my so called 'wired connection'. what numbers do i put into the ip address, subnet mask and gateway address boxes. this is under apps -> sys -> networking

<somerville32> I'm going to close the VoteOnDate poll for the meeting later today

<Nameless-One> hello?????? -.-

<Commander-Crowe> what are some good FPS that'll work in xubuntu?

<Nameless-One> free ones?

<Commander-Crowe> both

<Commander-Crowe> free and non-free

<Commander-Crowe> I want to get NWN and UT2004

<somerville32> Quake

* somerville32 waves good-night.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> ooo, quake

<somerville32> :]

<Commander-Crowe> I have quake2

<Commander-Crowe> but it doesn't run

<Commander-Crowe> I think I need some files for it

<Nameless-One> all the unreal series runs on linux i think, + quake 2-4 + doom 3 + rtcw, in fact i think most quake engine games run on linux

<Nameless-One> there is that free shooter at http://sauerbraten.org/ , good fast-paced deathmatch

<Commander-Crowe> using apt-get i got quake2 but where do I get the files that it needs to run?

<Nameless-One> cant help you there

<ellioTb> what up

<Nameless-One> brb

<Nameless-One> -.-

<Nameless-One> hallo?

<Nameless-One> 0.o o.0

<phlasphy> hey Nameless-One

<Nameless-One> finally another human

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> do you have a question

<Nameless-One> nah, not at the moment

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> i am trying to install slackware again lol

<Nameless-One> well i do but i'm on windows at teh moment

<phlasphy> np

<phlasphy> a windows question?

<Nameless-One> WOH, slackware!!!!!!

<phlasphy> lol

<Nameless-One> nah, i still havent got internet set up quite right so i'm on windoze checking the forums

<phlasphy> what about it?

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<Nameless-One> its just so.... old

<phlasphy> how old is it

<phlasphy> i have no idea

<Nameless-One> its the oldest linux distro still being developed, thats all i know

<phlasphy> well it is being updated?

<Nameless-One> apparently v1 came out in 1993, and for all i know its still being updated

<phlasphy> v11 now

<Nameless-One> v11 came out on 2 of oct, so it is still active

<Nameless-One> 2nd*

<phlasphy> 2 of oct 2006

<Nameless-One> yep

<phlasphy> ?

<phlasphy> ok not too bad

<phlasphy> you should try it lol

<Nameless-One> heh, i'm too attached to my ubuntu

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> lets hope it boots this time

<Nameless-One> gah, i have a bloody english exam tommorrow and have no idea what i am going to write for my 2 essays

<phlasphy> ohh me too lol

<phlasphy> not an exam just lots of stuff due

<Nameless-One> heh, i always procrastinate and leave my work to the night before

<phlasphy> lol well i need to get openoffice before i can do it which means i need slackware working lol

<cellofellow> hi there

<Nameless-One> hehe

<Nameless-One> hey cellofellow

<cellofellow> anyone have any idea how to change the usplash theme from kubuntu to xubuntu?

<Nameless-One> i've always got my old copy of office 97 on windows to fall on if linux is bitching up

<cellofellow> office 97 isn't all bad. way faster than OOo

<cellofellow> that's it though

<phlasphy> !usflash

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usflash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Nameless-One> i use abiword on linux

<phlasphy> !usplash

<ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto

<cellofellow> already tried that, not what I wanted

<phlasphy> ohh ok lol

<Nameless-One> i dont remember a start-up splash before the login screen appears

<cellofellow> it's while the system services, init, is loading. shows a progress bar.

<phlasphy> i know what you mean

<cellofellow> not Nameless-One though

<Nameless-One> ah, you mean the logo and the progress bar

<cellofellow> it's powered by usplash

<Nameless-One> i usually turn the comp on and leave and come back when its at the logon screen

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> my pc is like never off

<cellofellow> my pc has to be off at night parents like having off machines not unused.

<Nameless-One> anything i'm not using is off

<phlasphy> lol my dad was like that then my parents broke up so

<phlasphy> i live with mum now

<phlasphy> cellofellow: have you tried slackware

<ellioTb> cellofellow, what up

<cellofellow> haven't tried slack

<phlasphy> ellioTb: hey

<Nameless-One> slackware is dying out slowly

<phlasphy> ok cellofellow

<ellioTb> sup phlasphy

<phlasphy> how do you know?

<cellofellow> ellioTb: writing a mini-paper and then going to bed.

<phlasphy> nothing ellioTb

<ellioTb> xubuntu FTW!

<phlasphy> lol

<crimsun> Nameless-One: I don't have that impression at all.

<cellofellow> ellioTb: do you know how to change usplash from kubuntu to xubuntu?

<Nameless-One> heh

<crimsun> Slackware has never been targeted as a high profile distribution. The people who use it know why and how they use it.

<phlasphy> crimsun: have you tried it

<cellofellow> nicely said

<crimsun> phlasphy: Slackware was the first distribution I used.

<phlasphy> sweet

<ellioTb> yeah, uninstall kubuntu-desktop, reinstall xubuntu-desktop

<ellioTb> that would be a messy way

<ellioTb> or just reinstall xubuntu-desktop prolly

<ellioTb> the package

<phlasphy> crimsun: you left why? or do you dual boot

<crimsun> phlasphy: "left"? I never "left" Slackware.

<ellioTb> i know that works, cause my ubuntu back has a xubuntu splash from installing xubuntu-desktop on there

<phlasphy> ok so you dual boot?

<crimsun> phlasphy: on this machine, yes, XP SP2 and Xubuntu Feisty

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> ellioTb: the xubuntu usplash package is installed, I just don't know how to set it. I do want to keep kde around too.

<cellofellow> ellioTb: and kubuntu-desktop itself isn't installed

<Nameless-One> ahh good ol xp sp2

<phlasphy> so you dont run slackware anymore

<crimsun> my distro of choice is Debian Potato, but I have several Slackware machines

<phlasphy> i have xp sp2 too dual booting slackware

* cellofellow went from DSL to knoppix to kubuntu to xubuntu

<cellofellow> and win98 before that

<cellofellow> crimsun: Potato? my that's old

<Nameless-One> mmm potato

<phlasphy> rofl

<crimsun> it's not _that_ old

<cellofellow> crimsun: is potato a distro of many faces like its namesake?

<crimsun> heh, no. I'm just quite attached to it.

<Nameless-One> cant wait till windows vista, i need to own a new stupid operating system

<phlasphy> crimsun: how many computers do you have

<phlasphy> rofl

<cellofellow> crimsun: it was a joke, potato as in potato head. all debian codenames are toy story characters

<crimsun> phlasphy: 1; the rest are dept machines.

<crimsun> cellofellow: (yes, I know)

<phlasphy> dept?

<crimsun> CS department

* cellofellow wonders what's next after etch. bullseye?

<phlasphy> CS i am australian sorry lol

<Nameless-One> anyone still own a copy of windows 3.1

<crimsun> not counterstrike or whatnot :-)

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> so what is CS crimsun

<crimsun> computer science

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<ellioTb> http://arch.debian.org/arch/pkg-openoffice/packages/=meta-info/signed-archive

<ellioTb> weird

<phlasphy> crimsun: is there a package manager for slackware

<Nameless-One> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Slackware

<crimsun> yes

<cellofellow> I thought the point of slack was simplicity, on the devs end

<phlasphy> is it GUI?

<cellofellow> even debian's isn't gui,

<cellofellow> synaptic's a frontend

<crimsun> there is slapt-gui, yes

<phlasphy> awesome

<crimsun> slapt-get is more useful imho

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: nope, never even used windows 3.* -

<phlasphy> is there a way i could get synaptic on slackware?

<cellofellow> i think synaptic's been "ported" to rpm, but not slapt-whatever

<Nameless-One> whoa, windows 3.1 was the best operating system ever

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> crimsun: so slackware does not get deps for you does it

<crimsun> slapt-get does.

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: you can't meen that. DOS sucks so much crap, bash bashes it real hard.

<crimsun> it's similar in motivation to apt-get

<phlasphy> reall

<phlasphy> really

<Nameless-One> i like dos

<phlasphy> so what i type slapt-get what

<phlasphy> say i want firefox 2.0

<crimsun> ##slackware can help you with that

<phlasphy> ok

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: DOS stands for Disk Operating System, but comes from the codebase of Q-DOS, quick and dirty operating system. who'd wanta use that?

<Nameless-One> i'm still learning bash, my noob ness is slowing wasting away

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: NO multitasking without gui period

<Nameless-One> ME!

<Nameless-One> i grew up with dos

<cellofellow> well, to each his own. UNIX rocks

<Nameless-One> 6.22 and wfw 3.11 on my ultra 486

<phlasphy> crimsun: so slapt-get will download the deps for you

<cellofellow> that sounds like what could run on that gui-wise. would run debian net-install no gui fine.

<Nameless-One> my old days of playing duke nukem and commander keen

<cellofellow> over my head, too old.

<cellofellow> ooooops

<cellofellow> that's meen

<cellofellow> :/

<Nameless-One> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/DOS

<cellofellow> sorry there

<Nameless-One> eh?

<cellofellow> oh never mind

* cellofellow goes dancing wackily down the hall cause he's hyper and it's bedtime

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: he he he

<Nameless-One> lol

<Nameless-One> what country are you in

<phlasphy> ke-: heyt

<phlasphy> ke-: hey

*** SportChick is now known as all

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: me is in utah

<Nameless-One> W0H

<cellofellow> Nameless-One: WOH what?

<Nameless-One> whats the time there

<cellofellow> 11:30

*** all is now known as SportChick

<phlasphy> 535pm here

<phlasphy> it is 736pm there Nameless-One

<Nameless-One> yaaaaaa

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> delaney: wb

<phlasphy> delaney: did you get it

<delaney> phlasphy, :) thanks.

<delaney> phlasphy, unfortunately no its still broken

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<phlasphy> too bad

* delaney shrugs

<delaney> off to bed goodnite folks..

<ellioTb> night

<ellioTb> man, installed openoffice 2.1, hoping to fix my powerpoint problems

<ellioTb> lets see if this works......

<ellioTb> gettin further....

<ellioTb> i didn't know you could make debs outta rpms, sweeet

<Nameless-One> 0.o o.0

<Nameless-One> wow, the talk lines are hot tonight

<phlasphy> how can i make the panel strech accross the bottom of the screen

<phlasphy> ???

<Nameless-One> so many people but so little disscussion

<Nameless-One> eh, right click -> properties or something and there is an option there

<Nameless-One> i remember playing around with the panels and there was a stretch function somewhere there

<phlasphy> not for me

<Nameless-One> i'm quite sure there is

<Nameless-One> i'll check on documentation

<phlasphy> i am on slackware though lol

<Nameless-One> oh yeah, forgot

<Nameless-One> xfce or the 'other' ones?

<phlasphy> what

<phlasphy> xfce

<ellioTb> stretch it with blank space or whatever the plugin is called

<Nameless-One> you should be able to go Xfce 4 Settings Manager then click panels

<Ubugtu> XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed] http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4

<Nameless-One> and there MUST be an option there

<Nameless-One> there is on mine

<Nameless-One> any luck?

<phlasphy> no

<Nameless-One> darn

<Nameless-One> the online documentation says there is an option

<phlasphy> hang on i am not on the latest version

<JKnife> haha

<Nameless-One> even the old 4.0 documentation has an option

<phlasphy> ohh well it is not here

<Nameless-One> bah, blame it on slackware being slack

<phlasphy> lol

<JKnife> o.O why not DSL? or debian?

<phlasphy> is that 4.2.3.2 the latest

<JKnife> not including RCs

<JKnife> or betas

<phlasphy> rcs?

<JKnife> .. yes it is the latest STABLE RELEASE

<Nameless-One> yep hes right

<phlasphy> ok

<JKnife> release candite

<phlasphy> ok

<Nameless-One> 4.4 RC 2 is the latest unstable

<JKnife> it SHOULD be the last rc..

<JKnife> do not know how well that is gonna turn out =/

<Nameless-One> it better be

<Nameless-One> i havent had any problems with it, it works like a stable release

<JKnife> hey.. 2 rcs is REALLY good, seeing how they rewrote +75% of it

<ellioTb> i am installing it right now

<ellioTb> as we speak

<JKnife> 4.2 or 4.4?

<ellioTb> 4.4 rc2

<JKnife> ok

<ellioTb> sound the link on xfce.org to some repositories

<ellioTb> wonder how long till i nuke my comp

* JKnife kicks ellioTb in the face

<JKnife> WEEEEEEEEEEE

<Nameless-One> lol

<JKnife> :)

<ellioTb> creepy

<ellioTb> brb

<Nameless-One> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

<ellioTb> hrmm

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 79.2% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 76.30% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<Nameless-One> so many people are here, but very few talk

<Nameless-One> eh?

<ellioTb> hrmmm

<phlasphy> how do you make a new user in cml

<ellioTb> it said it updated all my xfce stuff, but looks to be the same version

<ellioTb> 4.3.99.2-1

<Nameless-One> thats the right version no though

<JKnife> Nameless-One: umm because most people are near the EST timezone where it is 2am o.O

<Nameless-One> guess the visuals havent changed much then

<JKnife> RCs are there but bug fixes

<JKnife> s|but|for|

<ellioTb> ahh, i dont think it updated cause of a bunch of dependency stuff

<Nameless-One> o.0

<JKnife> =/ just wait for 4-5mths and use edgy+1

<JKnife> Nameless-One: use a big O not 0, 0 makes it look funny

<JKnife> brb

<Nameless-One> no

<Nameless-One> =/

<JKnife> ò.ó

<JKnife> YES

<Nameless-One> no

<Nameless-One> °.°

<JKnife> ò.ó

<phlasphy> o.O

<JKnife> how did you do the little o?

<phlasphy> me

<JKnife> no

<JKnife> Nameless-One

<phlasphy> Nameless-One:

<Nameless-One> alt + 2 + 4 + 8

<JKnife> -_- don't know the screen compose then do ya?

<Nameless-One> ò.°

<phlasphy> -.O

<phlasphy> x.O

<Nameless-One> #.O

<phlasphy> ( , ) ( , )

<JKnife> phlasphy: umm family room

<phlasphy> they are eyes

<Nameless-One> heh

<sensei> JKnife: Stop having a dirty mind ;)

<phlasphy> yeah JKnife

<Nameless-One> _

<Nameless-One> \`\ _

<Nameless-One> \ \ /\ \

<Nameless-One> \ V /\/

<Nameless-One> /..\

<JKnife> o.O well... umm kinnda hard not to

<Nameless-One> =\_T_/=

<Nameless-One> / \

<JKnife> SPAM

<Nameless-One> (( ))

<JKnife> SPAM

<Nameless-One> {/\) (/\)

<Nameless-One> __\ /__

<Nameless-One> (____/^\____)

<JKnife> haha i messed him up

<JKnife> XD

<Nameless-One> eh

<phlasphy> what client do you use Nameless-One

<Nameless-One> chatzilla

<phlasphy> ok

<JKnife> o.O IRSSI people...

<Nameless-One> i guess my rabbit came out wrong

<phlasphy> rofl

<JKnife> yeah the feet are messed up

<Nameless-One> dammit

<JKnife> =/ FAMILY ROOM..

<phlasphy> do 1 line then press shift+enter and it should put you down a line

* JKnife gives up

<Nameless-One> it looks fine here

<phlasphy> try that Nameless-One

<Nameless-One> nah its fine

<Nameless-One> stupid chatzilla

<phlasphy> why lol

<JKnife> have yall seen the new nvidia X11 splash ^_^

<Nameless-One> nee

<JKnife> =/ no more bright white poo

<PuMpErNiCkLe> I have it disabled. Is it any good?

<phlasphy> no

<JKnife> very

<JKnife> PuMpErNiCkLe: latest beta?

<JKnife> if so reenable it and restart X XD

<phlasphy> does any1 know if i can install a tar.gz on slaCKWARE

<JKnife> ohh and how do you disable it?

<Nameless-One> of course you should be able to

<phlasphy> ok

<JKnife> phlasphy: ummm is it a source file?

<JKnife> if so you have to build it yourself

<JKnife> if it was a .pkg.tar.gx you can use pkginstall or somethin

<Nameless-One> omg does anyone use freebsd

<JKnife> no..

<phlasphy> i dont know what it is

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> O.o

<Nameless-One> the god of all bsds

<JKnife> DUDE OMG IT IS ONLY THE BIGGEST *BSD DISTRO EVER!!!

<phlasphy> no i know free bsd

<phlasphy> i mean the source file

<Nameless-One> lol oops

<JKnife> Nameless-One: =/ i wouldn't go THAT far.. OBSD is more like it

<JKnife> phlasphy: extract it to a tmp folder

<Nameless-One> yeah

<JKnife> "mkdir ./blah && tar xvzf <tar> -C ./blah

<JKnife> or open it up in file-roller or what ever

<Nameless-One> actually windows is the best linux distro ever O.o

<PuMpErNiCkLe> o.o

<JKnife> Nameless-One: ohh... i was gonna say Linspire =/

<phlasphy> lol

<Nameless-One> human bio exam question: Draw a labelled diagram of the male reproductive system (no tracing), wtf do they expect someone to remove their pants and trace it

<sensei> Either that, or trace from a book ;)

<phlasphy> what grade are you Nameless-One

<Nameless-One> oh yeah, books, i forgot they existed :)

<Nameless-One> year 10, form 4 nz => year 9 aus i think

<phlasphy> ok

<Nameless-One> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista

<JKnife> "1.0-9629 for Linux x86 released" no longer beta?

<Nameless-One> ;) :) O.o

<Nameless-One> anyone home?

<phlasphy> i aM TRYING GENTOO AGAIN LOL

<JKnife> o.O

<phlasphy> HOPE IT WORKS THIS TIMEW

* JKnife hands phlasphy fedora

<Nameless-One> ha gentoo

<phlasphy> oops sorry

<JKnife> it is less of a headache

<Nameless-One> omg fedora = buh

<JKnife> =/ it has gotten better.. and it is really good if you install smart

<Nameless-One> why dont you just go and install QNX

<JKnife> never heard of it

<phlasphy> me neither

<Nameless-One> then go and install OPENSOLARIS

<JKnife> =\ so harsh

<Nameless-One> the god of open source failures

<JKnife> you have to give Fedora credit.. they are the last non rip-off distro that only pkgs opensource software

<JKnife> debian doesn't even do that.. (they have offical repos for closed source drivers and such)

<Nameless-One> centos

<JKnife> that people use*

<Nameless-One> someone should create a record for computer with the most operating systems installed

<JKnife> o.O

<Nameless-One> boot up grub and the list would have hundreds of OSes

<JKnife> does stuff like qemu count?

<Nameless-One> nah

<Nameless-One> no emulation

<Nameless-One> i would try that if i had the hardware

<ellioTb> wonder why openoffice impress is still messin up

<ellioTb> grr

<ellioTb> oh well, i'll mess with it tomorrow, peace out guys

<Commander-Crowe> heh

<Commander-Crowe> whats up all

<Commander-Crowe> anyone here try out the newest wine?

<Nameless-One> not me

<Commander-Crowe> ah

<Commander-Crowe> I'm compiling it right now

<Commander-Crowe> anyone here listen to "the ataris"?

<Nameless-One> did u get that quake2 working

<Commander-Crowe> no

<Commander-Crowe> I don't really know what to do

<ellioTb> woohoo, updated xfce, and it fixed my menu stuff

<Commander-Crowe> heh

<NotJKnife> wtf was i disconnected from freenode and not rizon?

<Nameless-One> do you have the retail quake 2 disc

<NotJKnife> why do you need the retail disc?

<Nameless-One> or the demo

<Nameless-One> all you need are the files from the windows version and the linux binary

<NotJKnife> yeah

<NotJKnife> and you can find em anywhere... (note stealing is wrong.. but it is a good game ^_^)

<Commander-Crowe> I don't have the retail

<Commander-Crowe> so I gotta download the demo

<Commander-Crowe> how big is the demo?

<NotJKnife> 50MB IIRC

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<jrombousk> good morning, is any body up?

<JKnife> haha no..

* JKnife is headed tobed

<jrombousk> oh great...

<jrombousk> i got xubuntu to install, but i'm stuck in command line

<Nameless-One> heh, details?

<jrombousk> on the install?

<Commander-Crowe> type in : startx

<Nameless-One> any errors on startup

<jrombousk> no errors

<jrombousk> startx - command not found

<Nameless-One> do you see the splash screen on start up - the xubuntu logo and the progress bar

<jrombousk> nope

<Commander-Crowe> oh

<Commander-Crowe> hm

<Commander-Crowe> ps ax | more

<Commander-Crowe> is there alot of stuff

<Nameless-One> this is going to be a tough one

<jrombousk> yeah

<jrombousk> full screen of stuff listed

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> do this

<Commander-Crowe> ps ax | grep gdm

<jrombousk> it gave me a one thing on the list, tty1 S+ 0:00 grep gdm

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> so X isn't running

<jrombousk> nope

<Commander-Crowe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

<Commander-Crowe> try that

<jrombousk> ugh "package 'xserver-org' is not installed and no info is available.

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

<jrombousk> that'd be awesome, if my wireless card were working with this damn thing

<JKnife> =/

<jrombousk> hehe

<jrombousk> awesome

<jrombousk> it worked

<Commander-Crowe> oh

<jrombousk> just asked for the cd, its installing it now

<Commander-Crowe> ndiswrapper -i <driver.inf>

<Commander-Crowe> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper

<Commander-Crowe> ifconfig wlan0 up

<Commander-Crowe> there ya go

<JKnife> jrombousk: didn't you have problems with the cd?

<JKnife> o.O

<jrombousk> yes i was, but now its loading something now

<jrombousk> but giving me buffer I/O errors

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<jrombousk> Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 333960

<jrombousk> but the progress is continuing

<JKnife> it is gonna poo on you

<JKnife> ok.. well off to bed for me

<jrombousk> gnight, thanks

<Commander-Crowe> jrombousk hows it coming?

<darrend_laptop> hi. Got a USB mouse that doesn't seem to want to work. According to logs (syslog/dmesg) it it being recognized and correctly setup when plugged in. Just no response from moving it. Likely to be an Xorg issue?

<jrombousk> well it poo'd on me, like JKnife said it would

<jrombousk> i'm trying with a differnt cd i burned now

<jrombousk> but its giving me the same kinda errors

<darrend_laptop> this is a mouse and a laptop that worked well together with gentoo - the previous OS on this machine

<darrend_laptop> so certain not a BIOS/hardware prob.

<Commander-Crowe> darrend have you restarted yet?

<darrend_laptop> since installing? yes.

<darrend_laptop> since plugging in the mouse, no

<Commander-Crowe> yeah you need to restart

<darrend_laptop> why? That totally defeats the purpose of hotplug

<Commander-Crowe> its well-known to happen with USB stuff

<darrend_laptop> (un)plugging the same mouse on the same laptop under gentoo worked fine. What is xubuntu doing so differently?

<darrend_laptop> If I plug a USB key into the same port it works perfectly

<jrombousk> Commander-Crowe: i have the inf for the wireless on a floppy, i'm mounting it but its asking me for a filesystem type

<Commander-Crowe> hm

<jrombousk> sudo mount /dev/fl0 /mnt/floppy

<Commander-Crowe> ps ax | grep moused

<Commander-Crowe> jrombousk I don't know...never used floopies in Linux

<jrombousk> heheh

<darrend_laptop> davisond@davisond-laptop ~ $ ps ax | grep moused

<darrend_laptop> 2812 ? S< 0:00 [kpsmoused]

<darrend_laptop> 19866 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep moused

<Commander-Crowe> ok so its running

<darrend_laptop> from syslog after plugging in the mouse...

<darrend_laptop> Nov 13 08:23:04 davisond-laptop kernel: [17295418.116000] input: Targus USB Mouse as /class/input/input13

<darrend_laptop> Nov 13 08:23:04 davisond-laptop kernel: [17295418.116000] input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [Targus USB Mouse] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-1

<Commander-Crowe> do you know if the mouse is supported? what kind is it? model?

<darrend_laptop> targus usb (as noted in the logs) :) Also, as mentioned a minute ago, it worked perfectly under gentoo

<Commander-Crowe> yeah

<Commander-Crowe> restart

<darrend_laptop> so you think I need to reboot every time I want to plug a mouse into a laptop?

<Commander-Crowe> no I think its a one time thing like mine did

*** arnduckytoo is now known as arnducktoo

<Commander-Crowe> but I'm not sure at all

<darrend_laptop> oh right..

<arnducktoo> Commander-Crowe: have you mastered the rustle?

<Commander-Crowe> rustle?

<Nameless-One> O.o

<Nameless-One> o.O

<Commander-Crowe> 0.0

<Nameless-One> O.O

<Commander-Crowe> heh?

<Commander-Crowe> is there a bot in here?

<Commander-Crowe> !stats

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Commander-Crowe> !google google

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google google - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Nameless-One> !god

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about god - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Nameless-One> lol

<Commander-Crowe> !help

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<Commander-Crowe> oh

<Commander-Crowe> just not the right one

<arnducktoo> !lart Nameless-One in the name of God!

<Nameless-One> did you think i was a bot

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lart Nameless-One in the name of God! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Nameless-One> lol

<Commander-Crowe> in the suse channel there bot remembers things

<Nameless-One> !rofl

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rofl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<arnducktoo> Ubugtu lart Nameless-One

<Nameless-One> !xfce

<ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

<Nameless-One> !sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

<ubotu> sudo: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. In component main, is important. Version 1.6.8p12-4ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 161 kB, installed size 396 kB

<arnducktoo> Nameless-One: it is highly recommended to do that in /MSG or /QUERY (experiment with the bots) . Not too many people are here this time of night, but still...

<ellioTb> is there a way to fix a dependency

<ellioTb> like i have a new package, and its saying it requires an outdated version from the same "family"

<ellioTb> vte stuff

<Nameless-One> ok sorry

<arnducktoo> Nameless-One: I run Xubuntu, BTW

<ellioTb> updated the vte, and its saying it needs the older vte-common

<Commander-Crowe> darrend_laptop how did it go?

<Smerdykov> hey, I'm thinking about getting xubuntu, but I'm worried that installing new software will be just as much of a pain in the ass as it is in slackware right now

<Smerdykov> is it easier?

<darrend_laptop> Commander-Crowe: seems to have worked. After reboot with the mouse plugged in, I can unplug/re-plug and it keeps working. Seems odd though...

<arnducktoo> I find the installer script on the Live CD works best for me now. (I used to do 'custom installs' and add the desktop enviros and even the X-server itself afterwards)

<darrend_laptop> what if I reboot without the mouse (as I will frequently).. will it keep working?

<Nameless-One> using the add/remove programs panel is easy to use

<Commander-Crowe> does it?

<Commander-Crowe> the kernel jsut has to be updated

<Nameless-One> !bots

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bots - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<darrend_laptop> ok, cool. Thanks for the help :)

<Smerdykov> yeah, but I've been trying to install enlightenment on slackware and it's taken me two days of wrestling with it before I even got close

<arnducktoo> Commander-Crowe: I was wondering if your nickname had to do with Russel Crowe in Master and Commander (on the Far Side of the World), the movie.

<Smerdykov> does xubunutu come with a lot of software, or is it really just bare bones

<phlasphy> rofl http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu read this

<Nameless-One> most barebones

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: yes and no

<arnducktoo> It is pared down. but all many things are integrated still

<Commander-Crowe> arnducktoo he's my comsin removed 14 times which means that we're not related except be name

<Nameless-One> i see phlasphy has jumped onto the uncylcopedia train

<Smerdykov> I'm using kde in slackware right now, and I sort of like it but sort of don't

<phlasphy> rolf it is funny

<Smerdykov> there are some things that I hope xubuntu has but it probably won't

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: all the same repos are available and almost all Gnome stuff and *most* kde stuff will run without pulling too many added dependencies

<Smerdykov> out of the 4 main ubuntu variations, is this the easiest one to work with?

<Nameless-One> they all have the same level of easy-ness

<arnducktoo> And the base Xubuntu install now includes a bunch of 'back end' stuff that no Ubuntypes had before -- i.e win32 codecs and DeCSS (dvdcss2) built-in with xfmedia

<Smerdykov> hmm

<Smerdykov> I'm trying to make my linux box a media center

<Smerdykov> so a paired down OS is going to be great

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<arnducktoo> huh ?!?

<Smerdykov> but at the same time, I want to do a lot of things with it that I don't know if it will come standard with or I'll have to fiddle with it for

<Nameless-One> well i'm off to bed now, need an early start tommorrow, see ya all

<phlasphy> rofl

<phlasphy> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Google

<Smerdykov> biggest concern

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov I think Ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop will be more appropriate for you then (if you're installing many multimedia apps like transcoders). But you can always start with just a kernel and choose each piece as you go, from the X-server and the display manager on up

<Smerdykov> does it come with this sweet matrix screensaver

<Smerdykov> I'm also thinking about installing enlightenment on it

<Smerdykov> so it'll be purdy

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: Most Linux distros are highly componentized. Install what you want. Have you installed many Linux systems before?

<Smerdykov> I've ran fedora core 5 and right now I'm on slackware 10

<Smerdykov> and I'm realling hating slackware

<phlasphy> why

<Smerdykov> I can't even get it networked with my windows box

<phlasphy> ohh ok lol

<Smerdykov> which took all of 5 minutes on fedora

<phlasphy> well slackware is more manual

<sensei> Smerdykov: And that's slackware's fault ?

<Smerdykov> furthermore, I've been trying to get e on it for two days before I realized that using its package management system is akin to digging a hole in cement with one's cock

<Smerdykov> yeah, I suppose you're right

<Smerdykov> still, it doesn't even come close to being easy to use

<sensei> Not for the beginner, no.. true

<phlasphy> its not meant to be asy to use

<sensei> But thatäs not really its aim either

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: Ububtu comes from Debian. Apt-get packaging system is (IMHO) the key distinctive of all Debian-based distroen.

<sensei> So it's not really a bad distro, for its target audience ;)

<Smerdykov> touche

<Smerdykov> I was trying to learn some linux basics on it

<Smerdykov> and it's really a little too complicated for me, I think

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: Code of Conduct please (re: your cement excavation metaphor)

<Smerdykov> ah, apologies

<phlasphy> Smerdykov: do not try gentoo

<Smerdykov> sometimes I get the code of conduct in windows channels and linux channels confued :P

<Smerdykov> oh, don't worry

<arnducktoo> np. My kids aren't on-line RN, but someone else's may be.

<arnducktoo> ;-)

<phlasphy> what was the problem may i ask

<Smerdykov> I chose slackware over gentoo and mandrake (mandrega..?) because I got all three at a lan the other day

<arnducktoo> phlasphy: he should use BlackRhino Linux (heh)!

<phlasphy> never heard of it

<Smerdykov> um, well when I heard about the 24+ hour install, I was pretty sure it wasn't for me

<phlasphy> arnducktoo: what did Smerdykov say that was wrong

<arnducktoo> Mandriva would have been much easier for you than either of the others.

<Smerdykov> I heard lots of bad things about it

<Smerdykov> and it had the largest isos

<Smerdykov> and my hard drive was full

<Smerdykov> so it got the axe

<arnducktoo> But Mandrake used to have too many really stupid security 'oops'

<phlasphy> i dont think if you get the live dvd gentoo takes 24 hours

<phlasphy> MattJ: hey

<MattJ> Hi phlasphy

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: Debian comes on 3+ DVDs now IIRC, but you only need install about 600 MB for a very basic desktop. Never let the size of an ISO scare you. It could have been loaded with all the stuff other distroen put on remote (ftp or http) repositories.

<phlasphy> where are you from

<MattJ> UK

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> i am from aus

<arnducktoo> Xubuntu is the smallest Ubuntu and all Ubuntypes use less than a whole DVD

<arnducktoo> about 2.1 GB for Kubuntu, IIRC.

<phlasphy> less then a cd i though

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<phlasphy> damn

<Smerdykov> hmm

<phlasphy> why is that so big?

<Smerdykov> slackware has an option to change one's desktop environment, why do all the unbuntu's come loaded with only a single environment?

<arnducktoo> But of course, they include many modules and packages you won't need or want.

<phlasphy> i used slackware

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: that's not true!

<phlasphy> the gentoo iso is 40 mb rofl

<phlasphy> but it downloads everything lol

<MattJ> Gentoo is aimed at different people ;)

<Smerdykov> well they're marketed as xubuntu only has xfce and kubuntu is only kde, right?

<MattJ> Smerdykov: Yes

<MattJ> That doesn't mean you can't install what you want ^^

<phlasphy> i install KDE on my ubuntu the name changed to Kubuntu though

<MattJ> and it's not the only difference, either

<arnducktoo> For those who want to rewrite every conf byte by byte following the 500 PetaByte Gentoo install manual line by line -- yeah!

<MattJ> Xubuntu has different apps to Ubuntu

<Smerdykov> hmm

<Smerdykov> I might just want vanilla flavored ubuntu...

<MattJ> *shrug*

<MattJ> :)

<phlasphy> i just use the live dvd for gentoo

<MattJ> I like the vanilla Xubuntu

<phlasphy> lolk

<phlasphy> lol

<MattJ> It's faster, lighter, and easier to use that GNOME, IMHO

<MattJ> *than

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: Ubuntu gives you three-point-five 'metapackaged' desktop enviros, plus all the other debian packaged stuff (your Enlightment for ex. and Fluxbox & BusyBox & IceWM and whatever)

<Smerdykov> it comes with those?

<arnducktoo> the point five is 'Edubuntu' cause it's just Gnome (Ubuntu-desktop).

<Commander-Crowe> I need to find some opengl dev files

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: just install it and run Synaptic (the best all-around GUI front-end apt and dpkg package manager)

<Smerdykov> that sounds nice

<Smerdykov> lol

<arnducktoo> You'll quickly get the idea once you start using Synaptic. You can install anything that is in 'Multiverse' (80% of 10K+ packages for Debian are ported here if they aren't already in Main, Restricted or Universe)

<Smerdykov> that's great

<Smerdykov> does the xubuntu iso come with any other desktop environments?

<aimaz> no

<Smerdykov> ah, ok

<phlasphy> apt-get KDE

<phlasphy> ???

<arnducktoo> If you like N-curses, you can use Aptitude (it even has ASCII text-display Minesweeper(tm) for during those long package downloads -- killer-app woohoo!!)

<Smerdykov> heh

<aimaz> Smerdykov, it's simple enough to download and use others using synaptic or apt-get though

<Smerdykov> I'll be having lots of those

<Smerdykov> I am on dialup

<arnducktoo> Smerdykov: no, but they are easy enough to install *after* you have installed Xubuntu (let me check that)

* arnducktoo pops Xubuntu 6.06 LTS in the DVD drive

<phlasphy> gentoo does not take long to install

<thirdalbum> Gentoo's installation time depends on how you install it - if you do a Stage 3 install it's quick, because it's all precompiled binaries

<phlasphy> ok

<arnducktoo> thirdalbum: it must have gotten MUCH betterer(sic) since the last thyme I tried Gentoo

<phlasphy> arnducktoo: the GTK install is a life saver

<thirdalbum> It gets better all the time - there's even a Live CD installer these days

* arnducktoo falls over backwards

<arnducktoo> I'm astonished at how far they've come.

<thirdalbum> I was surprised to find out that Gentoo is only a couple of years old

<thirdalbum> It's about 2 years older than Ubuntu

<phlasphy> 2001?

<thirdalbum> 2002, or maybe it was 2003; I don't remember

<thirdalbum> I'm talking about first stable release

* arnducktoo considers installing a bittorrent client and grabbin some distros for hot mylar -- live CDs just like momducky used bake

<phlasphy> ohh ok

<phlasphy> torrents are crap

<phlasphy> for something you can get from a mirror

<arnducktoo> but they are very community-minded!

<arnducktoo> ;-)

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> my uploads are watched so i tend to stay away unless nessecery

<arnducktoo> besides, those of us that have broadband with generous bit buckets can get better mirror speeds on slow mirrors

<phlasphy> i get capped at 10gb uploads and downloads so if i download 7.5gb then upload 2.5gb i will get capped

<phlasphy> wht?

<phlasphy> what is bit buckets

<arnducktoo> buckets of bits

<arnducktoo> 0s & 1s

<arnducktoo> signal states

<phlasphy> ok

<arnducktoo> High voltage/(carrier) line voltage

<phlasphy> what speed is your internet

<arnducktoo> Phase angles and inflections

<arnducktoo> 5 Mbps+ down 2.5 Mbps+ up

<arnducktoo> but I've actually seen it do better from some nodes on this ISP -- depends how full the switch racks and routers are

<arnducktoo> that varies from neighbourhood to neighbourhood

<arnducktoo> the physical (layer 1) limit was basically 10BT half duplex

<arnducktoo> I can add more modems to a load balancing router to increase bandwidth to a point.

<arnducktoo> phlasphy: why do you ask?

<MattJ> Hmm, Vista fixes *the* security hole in Windows :)

<phlasphy> wondering arnducktoo

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> MattJ: do you like windows

<MattJ> Windows 2000 I do

<MattJ> They hit the spot there :)

<MattJ> It was so good, they decided to produce it for the home market

<MattJ> and ruined it by turning it into XP

<max_> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format>

<max_> what do i need to do to add wmv/mp3's to burn an Audio cd in k3b, when i try it says <Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format>

<phlasphy> MattJ: i liked xp

<phlasphy> ;{

<phlasphy> :(

<MattJ> XP was a bloated 2000 :)

<phlasphy> so

<phlasphy> lol it worked

<MattJ> ^^

<MattJ> But 2000 was better, that's what I'm saying

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> i didnt use 2000 do you have a pic

<MattJ> The plain 2000 was the same 95 GUI

<MattJ> Though I have to admit, I modded mine a little ^^

<MattJ> I have a pic of that

<phlasphy> ohh i would not like it then lol

<phlasphy> ok

<MattJ> http://fredj.homecall.co.uk/ss/Grass_screen.png

<phlasphy> and that is windows

<MattJ> Yes

<phlasphy> that is awesome man

<MattJ> ^^

<phlasphy> lo

<phlasphy> lol

<MattJ> It ran faster than the standard UI, and faster than XP ;)

<phlasphy> lol

<phlasphy> do you have a pic of your xp

<MattJ> I don't have XP on any of my PCs :)

<phlasphy> did you ever

<MattJ> I switched to Ubuntu to get an up-to-date OS, without having to upgrade to XP/Vista

<phlasphy> ok

<MattJ> I've used it, just not on my home PC

<phlasphy> ok

<phlasphy> do you have any pics of awesome customized windows

<phlasphy> x[p

<phlasphy> xp

<icheyne> has anyone had a lot of freezes on shutdown? I keep getting them on my old PC. I am also getting a lot of crashes and OpenOffice writer's title bar looks totally scrambled.

<phlasphy> MattJ: do you have any pics of awesome customized windows xp

<Commander-Crowe> the newest wine works great

<ormiret> icheyne: sounds like a dodgy display driver.

<icheyne> ormiret, thanks that's what I thought

<icheyne> it's got onboard intel i850 I think

<icheyne> do you know if/where I can get a replacement?

<MattJ> phlasphy: None whatsoever :)