<Phlosten> adhoc: heh, cool animation

<adhoc> hey Phlosten

<adhoc> yeah the yellow bouncy thing cuaght my attention as i was trying in vien to understand the rest of the page

<adhoc> mornen greebo

<greebo> adhoc, heya

<greebo> adhoc, how're things?

<Phlosten> howdy back at you adhoc

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<seeeking33> does anyone know of any IRC clients or IRC websites where I can log unto IRC under a different IP address?

<adhoc> its one of those good sleep in mornings =) where it rained a lot last night, the coffee is good, toast hot and internet fast ;)

<adhoc> and theres a flury of interesting news; http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20187953-5007421,00.html

<adhoc> seeeking33: why would you want to do that?

<Targ> anyone here done hte upgrade to edgy

<purserj> Targ: yes

<Targ> are bugs all that bad or easy enough to get round

<adhoc> Targ: i haven't but otheres have

<Phlosten> Targ: I didn't upgrade, I just clean installed

<Targ> I've been reading something aboutr xserver

<seeeking33> adhoc: because im banned on undernet and dalnet :)

<purserj> For me, I didn't have any bugs, I think I'm the only one

<purserj> seeeking33: so suck it up and wait it out

<seeeking33> adhoc: good enough reason? LOL

<seeeking33> purserj: last time I sucked it up, your sister was not happy

<purserj> and I wonder why you were banned

<Targ> I started the upgrade via the manager before I read the issues LOL I'm new to this I was told I needed to get the lastest version is would make the transition easier

<purserj> Targ: going via the manager is the best way to avoid issues

<seeeking33> purserj: you cant judge me you self-righteous twit

<Phlosten> adhoc: that car thing is just bonkers

<purserj> hmmm love the ignore

<seeeking33> purserj: btw, I sent an email to Exetel complaining that a James Purser is annoying me :)

<Phlosten> adhoc: it makes you want to run out and buy one just to say up yours mr g'ment official

<Targ> Great news

<Targ> well will know is 14 minutes

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<JamesPurser> hello

<JamesPurser> :)

<JamesPurser> Exetel will love hearing about my activities :)

<Phlosten> moron

<JamesPurser> define moron

<purserj> ponders the zen of ignoring oneself

<Phlosten> purserj: i just ignored you

<Phlosten> ah, problem solved

<purserj> ah well

<Phlosten> reckon we can get him banned from freenode as well ;)

<purserj> you know whats even more interesting. I think he's a fundie

<Phlosten> thank god for this, http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20740785-2,00.html

<Targ> fundie

<Targ> ?

<purserj> Fundamentalist Christian

<Targ> LOL oh

<purserj> He was in this channel a couple of days ago and his leaving sig pointed to a fundie web site

<Phlosten> fundamentally brain damaged

<Targ> yeah recken that was great news saw it this morning on the news

<Targ> my dauighter is gettign the age where things like that happen

<Phlosten> there a huge mass of teenage mums out this way. nothing else to do in the town

<adhoc> if that muppet is banned on undernet and dalnet we don't need to give him/her an excuse to get get banned on this network too ...

<adhoc> actually ... maybe we should

<Phlosten> adhoc: i agree

<Targ> LOL what town is that LOL

<adhoc> baby bonus == plasma tv ...

<Phlosten> Dubbo

<adhoc> heard about that at work recently

<Targ> hmm I"m heading down that way end of year

<Phlosten> baby bonus == drug buy up

<Targ> should be spending the night there

<adhoc> ouch

<Targ> yeah they said that on telly this morning

<Phlosten> i reckon there are a fair few xboxes been purchased with said baby bonus

<adhoc> =)

<adhoc> entertainment for the kids ;)

<Phlosten> al I think they should do is make people account for it

<Targ> yeah the 360 came out just at right time huh!!

<purserj> the stupid thing about that is that their saying "Teenagers can't be trusted with a lump sum, but we're not doing anything about the fact that teenagers are still getting pregnant"

<Phlosten> here is $4k, now you have 6 months to give us receipts for $4k worth of baby stuff

<Targ> yeah but they think that the teenages are getting preg for the bonus

<adhoc> purserj: thats a cultural issue, not financial one ;)

<Targ> might slwo a few down

<Targ> slow

<Phlosten> purserj: the g'ment needs more babies, they dont care whether it is teenage mums or not

<Targ> WHY? do they need more babiews

<Targ> babies

<adhoc> as far as i'm concerned the bonus is a "vote for us" at the next fedral campaign

<Phlosten> Targ: because the average age of our population is getting older and older

<adhoc> Targ: we live in a country with a declinign population

<purserj> adhoc: of course it is, just like the $600 per child payment every year is. Mind you, as we have three kids, we tend to score with that

<adhoc> there are too many old farts and not enogh babies being inducted to look after them

<Phlosten> adhoc: that about sums it up

<adhoc> purserj: but you have three kids, that costs a lot more than Nx$600

<Phlosten> i say we kill all the baby boomers off now :D

<adhoc> Phlosten: =(

<purserj> adhoc: I know. The way I view it is "Yes I'll take your money, but I'm going to be voting for the other guy thanks"

* adhoc expects that they all vote liberal ...

<adhoc> purserj: ha! =

<adhoc> =)

<Phlosten> i'll take free money of anyone

<purserj> the boomers? I think the biggest voting block for the libs at the moment are the "aspirationals" the ones who live in the estates

<adhoc> yeah

<Phlosten> aspirationals? havent heard that one before

<adhoc> commute stoopid hours to work, in large car with large fuel budget

<adhoc> Phlosten: the aspiring upper middle class

<adhoc> air-con and phat power bill

<Phlosten> they have always been the key lib area. money buys votes

<Targ> AC = Comfort

<adhoc> resource hungry brstrds who comsuuuuuuume

<adhoc> drive 'prestige' four wheel drives

<Targ> Ok time to restart

<Phlosten> my brother just turned into that

<adhoc> and drive really badly

<Phlosten> *ponders*

<Targ> upgrade complete

<adhoc> ggrrrrrrr

<Phlosten> i dont talk to my brother much anymore, he is an ass

<Phlosten> *sigh*

<Phlosten> dropped $57 on a new jeep

<Phlosten> bought a new m/bike

<adhoc> MTB == good

<Phlosten> and have the newly build house in outer burbs

<adhoc> jeep == crappy excuse for a luxury car

<Phlosten> i think he must be one of these aspirationals

<Phlosten> adhoc: i drove it earlier in the week

<Phlosten> absolute bastard to drive

<adhoc> jeeps have no reall off road ability either

<Phlosten> it feels like driving a block of flats,

<adhoc> Phlosten: power steering with no road feel?

<Phlosten> black spots everywhere

<purserj> They're the ones who are most concerned about things like interest rates. Thats why the current rises have the govt worried

<adhoc> blind spot?

<Phlosten> blind spots, yeah

<adhoc> fuel prices and interest rates

<Phlosten> it was hideous, and a complete waste of money

<Phlosten> 4.7 litre V8

<adhoc> thats what will win or loose the next fedral ellection

<adhoc> the social and enviromental issue will be completely ignored, fuel prices and interest rates ...

<purserj> so what you have to do is tie the social and environmental into the fuel and interest rates

<Phlosten> i think adhoc was meaning the social and environmental issues of fuel prices and interest rates will be ignored?

<Phlosten> purserj: so what we have to do is 'tie' them to the bumbers of their cars and drag them around a bit :)

<purserj> nah nothing so drastic, say fuel prices are going to keep rising and a cheaper option is electric or hybrid

<Phlosten> that problem will only be solved once we have an electric or hybrid toorak tractor

<adhoc> as usual the fedral ellection will continue to ignore important issues and focus on the hip pocket

<dsas> adhoc: That's probably because that's what your fellow electors care about.

<adhoc> dsas: you recon this is a good thing?

<dsas> adhoc: Absolutely not. It's just that it's not exactly the fault of the nominees

<adhoc> yes it is

<adhoc> they have been campaigning like this for a long time and know that i will get them back in

<adhoc> therefore focus on it

<dsas> adhoc: You expect them to campaign about issues people don't care about?

<adhoc> dsas: there are lots of important issue

<adhoc> but most get sidelined right before re-election

<adhoc> many people to care about all sorts of issues

<dsas> adhoc: Yes, but the issues that win and lose elections are a usually a select few.

<adhoc> but the hip pocket is the one that has been bred into them to be the most important

<adhoc> even when there are bigger issues out there

<adhoc> that will effect them more

<dsas> adhoc: So if I were running for election, I'd campaign on the issues that will get me in, then look at the bigger issues.

<dsas> adhoc: It's just "they" have only got half of the idea ;)

<adhoc> thats whats broken about politics

<eternaljoy> anyone here know how to get tor to work?

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*** eternaljoy is now known as seeking35

<adhoc> seeking35: can you play you "getting banded from this network games" somewhere else?

<seeking35> sorry

<seeking35> im testing

<adhoc> we got any ops here?

<dsas> adhoc: can't you do the !ops thing

<adhoc> there are a handful of nominated ops for this channel

<dsas> adhoc: So go to the wiki page with them on and give them a ping :p

* adhoc expects that are all asleep

<adhoc> or out of the country

<Targ> Hi guys well seems it worked a bit I'm here

<Targ> the upgrade has finished

<adhoc> Targ: you now on edgy?

<Targ> yeah edgy

<Targ> or 6.10

<Targ> thats edgy ?

<adhoc> yup

<Targ> Ok can you help me out here

<Targ> I have nvidia 6600 vid

<adhoc> ok

<Targ> and am like day 2 on linux

<adhoc> and?

<Targ> well need some help to get he drivers installed

<Targ> not sure what or even how to install a program let alne a driver in Linux

<Targ> I know now how the people I used to help with windows issues felt

<adhoc> have a look in the menu; System -> Administratoin -> Synaptic Package Manager

<Targ> I followed a link from a search to get them but they returned an error

<Targ> yep I did that for restricted area

<adhoc> have a search for nvidia

<adhoc> i have a 6600GT PCI-E in my machine and it just worked...

<Targ> Ok got a list

<Targ> so you mean I should not need to update the drivers

<adhoc> have a dig in here; http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

<adhoc> for info on configuring video cards

<Targ> Ok good place to start I guess

<adhoc> my just worked

<Targ> Okies ta

<adhoc> whats your issue anyways?

<merlin-linux> afternoon all

<hysterio> gday merlin-linux

<Phlosten> dum dee dum

<merlin-linux> i just built my Ai2 robot

<roth-laptop> niceone

<roth-laptop> i didnt get an ai2 i got the first one though

<Phlosten> merlin-linux: cool

<roth-laptop> I-bot

<onefang> Does it run ubuntu?

<roth-laptop> lol

<Phlosten> merlin-linux: now teach it to wreak havoc on the world!

<roth-laptop> program it so it turns into a replicator

<merlin-linux> roth-laptop: i got the i-bot too

<Phlosten> Terminator here we come then?

<merlin-linux> Phlosten: i going to teach the Ai2 robot to chase te cats

<purserj> stupid freenode channel limit

<Phlosten> heh

<roth-laptop> >_< ubuntu isnt installing on my spare desktop pc

<Phlosten> roth-laptop: how so?

<merlin-linux> Phlosten: and then it can take over the world if it survives the cats

<roth-laptop> it wont even run the live cd

<Phlosten> roth-laptop: how much ram?

<roth-laptop> 128

<Phlosten> live cd needs 192

<merlin-linux> roth-laptop: and have you got the bios set to boot from cd first

<Phlosten> you'll need the alternate cd

<roth-laptop> grrrr i better dig up some more ram

<Phlosten> anyone here played with the recent Engarde Linux distro release?

<purserj> nope

<roth-laptop> is 192 ok for a basic bit of gui

<Phlosten> yup

<roth-laptop> it just a machine for a mate to practice some command line stuff mainly

<roth-laptop> ok kewl

<purserj> the english language takes another blow: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/11/11/nz.text.ap/index.html

<roth-laptop> yeah they want html to be in languages other then engrish

<roth-laptop> text speak WTF

<Phlosten> wtf

<Phlosten> that is so fricken wrong

<roth-laptop> yar

<roth-laptop> arg ubuntu is not happy about something in that pc

<Phlosten> the uni's need to turn around and say, you allow that and we will lower the recognition for that exam

<Phlosten> roth-laptop: what other specs?

<roth-laptop> celeron 333 192 ram 10 gig hdd 4 meg gfx card

<roth-laptop> mm ill see what windoze makes of it

<Phlosten> might be a gfx card issue

<Phlosten> http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=170

<merlin-linux> w00t the Ai2 robot has it own linux program to program it

<roth-laptop> hahaha

<onefang> Does it run ubuntu yet?

<onefang> B-)

<roth-laptop> i saw a Ubuntu magazine in the newsagents today

<roth-laptop> guess how much it was

<onefang> Local or imported?

<roth-laptop> ahh not sure

<roth-laptop> after i saw the price i swore and left it

<Phlosten> $19?

<roth-laptop> more

<Phlosten> would that be the Linux Format Ubuntu Special in the silvery packaging

<Phlosten> at around $30ish

<roth-laptop> indeed

<roth-laptop> $27

<Phlosten> they had an suse one too

<Phlosten> they are british

<roth-laptop> thats criminal !

<Phlosten> the UK Linux Format is $19 a go

<Phlosten> tis an awesome mag though

<roth-laptop> a free cd and cut and paste from the forums O_o

<Phlosten> lots of content compared to other pc mags

<roth-laptop> i used to read pc user and apc but they got full of ads

<Phlosten> yes, full o windows too

<roth-laptop> yeah nothing but vista for the last 6 months

<Phlosten> nothing you cant find on the web tho

<Phlosten> LF is good reading though. i'll scan some pages of it if you want to have a squizz

<onefang> They put some parts of it on the web.

<roth-laptop> yar im havin a look ther now

<Phlosten> the editors seem to be on the ball and really get new stuff into it, rather than just regurgitating crap and sticking in lots of ads

<Phlosten> i think the ads are a little more tasteful too. not just dumb user merchandising

<merlin-linux> onefang: i just downloading the deps i need to run the Ai2 robot program under linux

<roth-laptop> grrrrr windoze seams to be installing on teh boxen

<merlin-linux> and the program runs under linux w00t

<hysterio> Phlosten: I like LF for the editorial content - the news is usually pretty dated by the time it makes it here though

<onefang> Borders get LF fresh off the presses, at a reasonable price, and with the DVD version.

<hysterio> their reviews of projects etc is pretty good too

<onefang> Still, the news is usually two months old though.

<hysterio> onefang: yep

<roth-laptop> mmmm vlc still wont play files from across the network

<roth-laptop> >_< stupid totem wont play anything at all

<merlin-linux> here my bit of a write up about the Ai2 robot >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11

<roth-laptop> what extra stuff is on the dvd ??

<Davo_Dinkum> Hi peeps.

<roth-laptop> davo

<Davo_Dinkum> Is there a way to stop network folders/shares showing on the desktop?

<roth-laptop> windoez has installed on the acursed machine

<hysterio> roth: where did the ubuntu install break?

<roth-laptop> right at the start after you select install the ubuntu graphic and the status bar come up thenit just stops

<hysterio> this was with the livecd installer?

<roth-laptop> see how it goes from live cd within windoze

<roth-laptop> yep

<roth-laptop> might have to get the alternate cd

<andrew222> Is it safe to have Kubuntu and Ubuntu on the same computer?

<hysterio> roth-laptop: yep, i havent had much joy with the livecd installer

<roth-laptop> thenill have the whole set Desktop, Server and Alternate

<roth-laptop> ahh yes as the live cd is booting the screen turns off then the whole pc just stops

<roth-laptop> it goes into a hibernate mode

<andrew222> Is it safe to install Kubuntu and Ubuntu on the one Computer?

<purserj> andrew222: as seperate distros?

<roth-laptop> ahhh the IBM oem hdd is the problem

<andrew222> as two ext3 partitions on one hard drive

<hysterio> roth-laptop: bad sectors or ?

<andrew222> purserj: or shall I install Kubuntu on another hard drive (I've got 3 hard drives - One for Windows, One for Ubuntu and One shared for Files)

<roth-laptop> there must be a knowen issue with IBM SpinPoint hdds

<roth-laptop> there are some special boot instructiuons in the help menu of the cd

<roth-laptop> you need to put in the heads.sectors information

<Davo_Dinkum> Bye guys.

<purserj> crap missed him

<Phlosten> roth-laptop: bugga

<Phlosten> roth-laptop: time to pick up another hdd at a market for a $1

<hysterio> roth-laptop: at least it isnt one of the deathstars ;)

<roth-laptop> yeah i have plenty of 8 gigs

<roth-laptop> but i dont think it solved my problem

<hysterio> it it an old ibm box?

<roth-laptop> ubuntu hates compaq deskpro EN

<roth-laptop> ARG GOD DAMMIT

* Phlosten hands roth-laptop a can of petrol and a pack of matches

<hysterio> k... it wouldnt surprise me if they had some funky bios stuff going on - I can remember working on some old compaq/hp boxes and they had some very unique ways of doing things

<roth-laptop> i have 5 of these things that are now windows only

<hysterio> try a different live cd - i use slax "frodo" cd's for stubborn hardware

<hysterio> http://www.slax.org/download.php

<roth-laptop> maby the old s3 virage 4 meg gfx card isnt up to scratch

<Phlosten> it would only just be scraping by with that I would think

* purserj pushes edubuntu to the limit with 128MB ram

<roth-laptop> oh lawd the things i do for free

<roth-laptop> ok might be a sucess this time

<roth-laptop> \o/ hooray \o/

<lucychili> hmm funky house

<lucychili> http://muumitalo.wikia.com/wiki/English

<roth-laptop> this must be close to the longest install time ever

<roth-laptop> LOL pos pc

<roth-laptop> WOO my arm pits are a bit ripe

* Phlosten hands roth-laptop a super industrial strength can of shower in a can

<roth-laptop> damn humid muggy wether

<Phlosten> yeah, a bit that way here. had a couple of drops as it tried to rain but that was about it

<roth-laptop> yeah it just made it worse

<Phlosten> just thinking about retreiving a pedastal fan from the shed

<roth-laptop> and the lightening sucked

<roth-laptop> didnt even get a good pic

<Phlosten> lighting is great.....until it fries your modem

<Phlosten> thankfully I have only lost one modem to lightning activity

<roth-laptop> i lost a vcr once thats all

<Phlosten> i was going to do something, and now I have forgotten what that was. don't you hate that!

<Phlosten> *ponders*

<roth-laptop> yeah i do that heaps

<Phlosten> howdy Changlinn

<Davo_Dinkum> Hi.

<Changlinn> hey Phlosten

<hysterio> lucychili: quite

<roth-laptop> man i should just bang the AC on

<Davo_Dinkum> Go drink some cold water.

<roth-laptop> i bought some cordial this arvo in the stupermarket

<roth-laptop> rasberry too

<roth-laptop> HEY do you ever have to defrag linux ?

<Davo_Dinkum> No idea. I don't think so.

<roth-laptop> mm it poped in to my head the other day

<MistaED> the filesystem is designed to not fragment

<roth-laptop> so it saves files in 1 continus block and not the first available space ??

<MistaED> indeed

<roth-laptop> ahh clever

<Davo_Dinkum> NTFS still needs formatting, right?

<MistaED> Davo_Dinkum: formatting because it's fragmented? how do you mean?

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh sorry I meant to say defragmenting.

<roth-laptop> yeah ntfs needs defrags

<MistaED> yeah i think so, but it is far less prone to fragmentation that FAT32 is

<Davo_Dinkum> FAT32 works better with other OSs though.

<MistaED> i wonder why though, that ext3 has major overhead, like 12gb is already used when a 320gb is freshly formatted for instance

<MistaED> could be to do with preventing fragmentation, *shrugs*

<roth-laptop> you lose %10 just on formatting alone most times

<roth-laptop> my 320 gig is just under 300 after formatting to ntfs

<MistaED> roth-laptop: yeah but with the linux filesystems benchmark XFS, reiserfs & JFS didn't suffer a great deal than ext2/3 did in overhead

<roth-laptop> ive only used ext3

<roth-laptop> except once when i installed xandros

<Hobbsee> ntfs definetly needs formatting :P

<hysterio> hobbsee: as frequently and as thoroughly as possible ;)

<Hobbsee> yep

<Hobbsee> hysterio: or maybe only once, to be completely finished

<hysterio> hobbsee: mkfs.ext3 does wonders for windows installs

<Hobbsee> hysterio: indeed!

<Hobbsee> does wonders for swap partitions too

<hysterio> swap! pfft.. I like to live dangerously :)

<MistaED> aha, the overhead explanation i've found from a site says "The 5-8% is reserved for the superuser to use when space runs out, and also to maintain a space for better speed of operations and avoiding fragmentation. You can tune this amount somewhat with tune2fs, but it isn't particularly advisable."

<hysterio> add to that the space required for the journal on ext3

<roth-laptop> curse this bios

<roth-laptop> 120 gig hdd limit quite anoying

<Hobbsee> hysterio: i somehow managed to get confused, and swap /home and swap

<Hobbsee> hysterio: system didnt relaly like running a 1.5gb home partition...

<roth-laptop> :D

<roth-laptop> mmmm 750 gig $600

<MistaED> actually is it just me or does anyone find the expresso gui installer confusing when you get to the part where you pick which partitions go where?

<MistaED> whenever i do it there's partitions missing

<roth-laptop> i get #1 as / and #5 swap

<hysterio> hobbsee: I had a weird problem with mdadm/initrd/whatever where the system would come up, and because of the / partition needing to recover, it would come up as md1, and the swap would come up as md0, which was then mounted as root... took me a while to fix that one

<Hobbsee> weird...

<hysterio> had boot up with a live cd, let the recovery finish, then it all worked ok... only ever happened to me once and I've got quite a few systems running similar configs.. i put it down to operator error :)

<Juggz> ok so how to i get this chan to come up automagicly when i start gaim

<hysterio> roth-laptop: cool 750s have come down a bit - as have all the others...

<Juggz> <--- is also roth-laptop

<hysterio> juggz: looking now

<Juggz> or is xchat or bitchx better for that

<Juggz> im setting this pc up for a newb mate

<alistair> hi everyone =)

<Juggz> OH der +ADD

<Juggz> weeee

<Davo_Din1um> How do I get rid of my ghost nick?

<hysterio> it should timeout

<hysterio> hi alistair

<roth-laptop> /msg nickop ghoast NICK PASSWORD

<roth-laptop> or somethign like that

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<hysterio> anyone seen that "hacking democracy" doco?

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah I did actually.

<roth-laptop> ahhh i was tempted to grab it the other day

<Davo_Dinkum> From where?

<alistair> what's it about ?

<hysterio> its no longer on google video btw..

<Davo_Dinkum> How they rigged the voting in the US.

<roth-laptop> torrents

<alistair> oh

<roth-laptop> LOL yea voting in the us is a total scam

<hysterio> the end bit was a real eye opener - where the guy seeded the memory cards and skewed the vote without anyone being able to tell

<Davo_Dinkum> And how insecure the voting machines are and how much the companies making the machines care (not at all).

<hysterio> well something must have gone wrong - the democrats cleaned up last week

<hysterio> maybe diebold werent happy at the negative press they were getting, decided to let it go the other way...

<roth-laptop> you wath the daily show or colbert report

<hysterio> dont have the comedy channel - i catch the odd thing here and there off the net

<Davo_Dinkum> Since when do TPG make notebooks?>>>http://tinyurl.com/ybjjp5

<MistaED> what OS were the voting machines running?

<Davo_Dinkum> Windows I think. Some of the files had .exe file extensions.

<roth-laptop> yeah i dont watch any actuall tv i get it all from the net

<hysterio> dont know about the machines themselves, but the tabulating computers ran doze

<MistaED> Davo_Dinkum: TPG had a deal when you signed up for 24 months you can get a cheap laptop

<Davo_Dinkum> Isn't it just rebadged?

<MistaED> bit of a shame, linux would be perfect for voting machines

<MistaED> yeah probably some rebadged asus or acer

<hysterio> roth-laptop: I saw part of that colbert thing when he gave a speech in front of a presidential dinner

<roth-laptop> heheh

<hysterio> bush et.al were gobsmacked

<Davo_Dinkum> What speech?

<roth-laptop> yeah it was winner

<adhoc> evenen all =)

<roth-laptop> LOL @ transperency on gaim

<roth-laptop> it tells lies !!

<hysterio> Davo-Dinkum: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879

<Davo_Dinkum> Nah I don't want to install flash.

<roth-laptop> damn flash

<roth-laptop> thers no esacping it

<Kamping_Kaiser> grr. anyone seen shenki recently?

<Davo_Dinkum> Just don't install it. Simple.

* roth-laptop shakes his fist at the sky and yells "damn you all to heck "

<Davo_Dinkum> Where can you buy Sandisk CF cards?

<hysterio> http://www.yawarra.com.au/

<hysterio> ive never dealt with them - was interested in picking up some of their WRAP stuff

<hysterio> cursed sausages... why do you have to be so tasty!!

* hysterio shakes fist

<roth-laptop> lol

<roth-laptop> its a terrorist plot i say

<hysterio> fattening us up they are

* hysterio dons his yoda hat

* adhoc hands roth-laptop a tin foil hat

<merlin-linux> for people that are collecting the Ai2 robot i have written a howto for installing the BricWorks software under linux >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=24&forum=3&post_id=26#forumpost26

<roth-laptop> LOL there reading my brain waves

<roth-laptop> " it would be a very big or interesting book "

<roth-laptop> would = wouldn't

<siccness> Well I'm just a genius :D

<roth-laptop> indee you are

<siccness> i worked out my stupid issue with: heeeeeeelllllllllooooooooo

<siccness> and the screenlock bitchyness of it

<Juggz> well then now fix my stipid sound

<siccness> alsa?

<Juggz> es1896

<Juggz> on board

* siccness shrug

<Juggz> if o go to sound preferances i can play the login / log out sounds

<Juggz> but its not loading at start up

<merlin-linux> Juggz: sudo modprobe snd-es18xx

<Juggz> yep and the little box comes up to do stuff

<Juggz> but it does nothing

<merlin-linux> Juggz: then in terminal type alsamixer

<Juggz> in 2 mins :D

<Juggz> when apt is finished doing its thing

<merlin-linux> Juggz: it sounds like your soundcard is a isa based

<siccness> Yeah, I thought that sndcard was isa

<siccness> clearly i must be wrong tho

<Juggz> O_O its a on board one ?

<siccness> what motherboard mate?

<merlin-linux> my onboard isa soundcard wouldn't work at all, so i ended up disabling it in the bios and installed another soundcard

<Juggz> ohh some compaq POS

<Juggz> it plays sounds

<Juggz> just hte little speaker thingy tells me its not there

<merlin-linux> Juggz: it playing sound now

<siccness> was the sound working previously, Juggz?

<Juggz> i just installed a few mins ago

<Juggz> <-- is roth-laptop

<siccness> what sound(s) were you trying to play?

<Juggz> system sounds at start up and shitdown

<merlin-linux> Juggz: if it working add snd-es18xx to /etc/modules and reboot

<Juggz> LOL shutdown

<siccness> ohh i see

<siccness> <--misrea

<siccness> d

<Juggz> KK brb

<Juggz> mmm no sucess

<Juggz> ok and it removed the card from System -> sound preferences

* Juggz does sudo modprobe snd-es18xx

<Juggz> the ting pops up but it does nothing

<Juggz> alsamixer can see the card

<merlin-linux> did you put snd-es18xx into /etc/modules

<Juggz> yep

<Juggz> arg

<Juggz> typo

<merlin-linux> k

<Juggz> can i restart it or do i need to reboot

<roth-laptop> ahh yay sound

<siccness> ok, just about time to format again

<siccness> ahh the joys of linux.

<merlin-linux> roth-laptop: sweet :-)

<siccness> Finally some water for our farmers.

<siccness> and our water storage :)

<Phlosten> siccness: that will get gobbled up by stupid cotton farmers

<siccness> :|

<Phlosten> well, I shouldn't say stupid, more like irresponsible

<siccness> Actually, I'll tell you what's stupid. Australian Idol

<Phlosten> siccness: never would have thought ;)

<Phlosten> damn, this render process is cooking my cpu :|

<siccness> back in a couple of hours

<siccness> (hopefully)

<roth-laptop> you know the article someone posted yesterday about vic edu dept and the cisco stuff

<roth-laptop> Mr Paul: the bit about the cisco reset being stopped is wrong cos we reset one and had it working at home :D

<Phlosten> hmm, good old firefox and the mass consumption of resources

<Phlosten> downloading two files takes 99% of CPU use apparently

<roth-laptop> whats good for burning cd/dvd in youboon2

<Kamping_Kaiser> iso? right click -> write

<roth-laptop> ahh well that was easy

<Phlosten> easy peasy

* roth-laptop falls off chair

<roth-laptop> in 1 hour the shit hits the fan again

<roth-laptop> as i attempt to install the desktop on a server install

<roth-laptop> arg its doing that stupid thing like xp " it is now safe to turn off your pc "

<Kamping_Kaiser> your computer doesnt acpi poweroff? :S

<roth-laptop> thats the one

<roth-laptop> it just sits there looking stupid

* Kamping_Kaiser hugs Hobbsee

* Hobbsee hugs Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<adhoc> evenen Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> g'devening adhoc

*** Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee

<roth-laptop> yeah edgy hates pci gfx in the compaq

* siccness is so lost with this machine

<purserj> why what is it?

<siccness> it seems to continue to do this, eg (if i were to type something it'd repeat characters): helllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

<Kamping_Kaiser> hi sic

<siccness> hey Kamping_Kaiser

* siccness belts the shit outta his box

<Kamping_Kaiser> dad just dropped by my room - glad the 2 slabs are covered with crap *grin*

<siccness> lol

<siccness> my old man shouts the slabs

<siccness> hes a bigger pisshead than i am

<roth-laptop> LOL

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> hope you get a bulk discount :O

<siccness> heheh

<siccness> well i think my clock is wrong, unless its 1pm

<halex-ab> +8 hours onto that..

<siccness> 9pm is it mate?

<halex-ab> Yup..

<siccness> thanks mate

<halex-ab> np

<siccness> what the hell is this abba crap

<siccness> why must free to air television bore people to death

<Kamping_Kaiser> :o

<siccness> although the girls are good looking :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :) all(most) all redeaming feature

<halex-ab> You mean the Funniest Home Videos girl?

<Kamping_Kaiser> ? :P

<siccness> beats me halex-ab

<halex-ab> You should be watching Ten anyway.. :)

<siccness> australian idol? sif

<halex-ab> Nah, that finished 30min ago..

<halex-ab> Van Helsing..

<halex-ab> :p

<roth-laptop> 4chan to the rescue

<siccness> that alone says you have no ability to talk in here :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<roth-laptop> hahahah

<halex-ab> :o

<siccness> i used fluxbox the other day, ill tell you what

<siccness> thats pimp

<siccness> i might have to emerge that bad boy

<Phlosten> fluxbox is quite neat

<halex-ab> heh, what happened to e17?

<siccness> e17? sif use that

<halex-ab> what's with all your 'sifs' lately? lol

<siccness> You ask a good question

<halex-ab> sif

<siccness> One which I'm ashamed of.

<halex-ab> :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> whats wrong with e17?

<halex-ab> siccness, do tell..

* Kamping_Kaiser smacks siccness about - if iwasnt so elieatist about not compiling, i'd be runnign it

<siccness> I really hate using "sif" but people keep using it, and I somehow manage to "follow suite".

<siccness> lol

<siccness> face it, compiling is fun :)

<CyronToo> sif that's an excuse

<siccness> You get to watch 40,000 lines fly passed.

<halex-ab> Slowly..

<siccness> Not my fault your box is weak :P

<halex-ab> Well, compiling Myth is a big task, even on a FX59..

<siccness> FX59 is weak.

<siccness> :P

<halex-ab> Take that back!

<siccness> I got this beast runnin at about FX-62

<halex-ab> lol

<halex-ab> Bah..

<siccness> (hard to compare tho)

<siccness> It'd be easier if people used linux to benchmark for reviews

<halex-ab> Yeh..

<halex-ab> Well, not exactly 'easier'

<halex-ab> Just gives me a useful number

<Kamping_Kaiser> it probably would be eaiser

<siccness> Well see I run a 21sec SuperPi 1M test in linux

<halex-ab> Benchmark is comparison, and current comparison tests do just that - compare..

<siccness> but in windows, i run a 30sec

<siccness> So when I add my results to a SuperPi database

<siccness> people go "bullshit"

<halex-ab> lol

* halex-ab shouts "Bullshit!"

<siccness> and then i have to explain to them that not everyone uses windows.

<halex-ab> I wonder if we're gonna see Ubuntu on the PS3..

<halex-ab> I know they got YLD..

<siccness> I hope we see gentoo on the PS3

<adhoc> halex-ab: only a matter of time

<siccness> Where's Tatey

<halex-ab> adhoc, would they have to actually port things over to a different arch? Or does it use PowerPC?

<halex-ab> I forget how Cell works..

<Kamping_Kaiser> i doubt ubuntuy will run on ps3.

<halex-ab> Why?

<Kamping_Kaiser> hope debian will

<siccness> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> its not very desktop like (imnsho)

<purserj> cell is built ontop of ppc architecture

<siccness> typical of us to want other distros, Kamping_Kaiser :P

<halex-ab> purserj, thought so, thanks..

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol siccness

<siccness> lets see if it works this time :)

* siccness prays to VicBitter.

<purserj> So any ppc version should theoretically sort of work on a ppc machine

<siccness> elaborate on 'sort'?

<adhoc> the cpu in the ps3 is not too different from a G5

<siccness> The PS3 is a three-cored proc.

<adhoc> it has more FPU/GPU type vetor units on it

<adhoc> but at the end of the day

<adhoc> getting a free linux running on it won't be to hard

<adhoc> as sony uses linux as a dev environment for the PS2 and PS3

<halex-ab> Well, they've confirmed installing Linux is gonna be done via the XMB..

<siccness> i think my future machines will all run flux

<halex-ab> Are M&R The Unprofessionals tickets still on sale?

<adhoc> flwm

<siccness> :)

<siccness> ahh a meeting tomorrow, i see.

<realist> I like snow angels.

<Kamping_Kaiser> well i cant make it

<siccness> Neither can I, actually.

<Kamping_Kaiser> hope melissa skips it. she will need to sleep for a week when she gets back

<siccness> I think people are counting on atleast one op being here, Kamping_Kaiser

<siccness> or atleast one person to chair the meeting :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, from my reading of the list, i dont htink anyone cares in the least if it happens

<siccness> Haha

<siccness> wheres the agenda items?

<siccness> is there anything there/

<Kamping_Kaiser> nothing there

<Kamping_Kaiser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings

<siccness> Ok

<realist> http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=bingdo

<siccness> well if it comes down to it, then there'll be no meeting :|

<siccness> thats pretty cool, realist :)

* Kamping_Kaiser debates an email to the list 'skipping meeting tomorrow are we'?

<siccness> Heh

<halex-ab> Mmm, I don't think I'm going tomorrow either..

<halex-ab> Well, even if there are agenda items..

* Kamping_Kaiser emails list

<siccness> bbiab

* Kamping_Kaiser sends email

* halex-ab checks email

<Kamping_Kaiser> wb

<siccness> danke

<siccness> I'm in fluxxin'!

<Kamping_Kaiser> np

<Kamping_Kaiser> :o

<halex-ab> Ich habe keinen email..

<halex-ab> :(

<Kamping_Kaiser> acht so?

* Kamping_Kaiser wonders about aquiring a german keymap

<halex-ab> Mm, now that's a good idea..

<halex-ab> "The buck stops there -> $"

<halex-ab> Cmon..

<halex-ab> That's the best you had?

<Kamping_Kaiser> at the time, yes

<halex-ab> lol

<Kamping_Kaiser> i suppose nows a good time to update.

<halex-ab> Better than most times..

<siccness> how do you adjust volume from cli?

<Kamping_Kaiser> alsamixer

<Kamping_Kaiser> unless your using dapper or edgy (iirc)

<siccness> heh

<siccness> yeah they dont incl. it :|

<Kamping_Kaiser> :(

<siccness> is it under tools or utils?

<siccness> (alsa-tools/-utils)?

<Kamping_Kaiser> sig updated :)

<halex-ab> Thankgod..

<Kamping_Kaiser> :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> that sigs been static for yonks.

<Kamping_Kaiser> but i had to update, so critisism was a good enough reason

<alistair> does anyone know about language settings on ubuntu ?

<halex-ab> alistair, what do you mean?

<alistair> well i changed the default language in the administration settings but the menus etc are still in english

<alistair> do i need to restart ?

<roth-laptop> my old hardware fails at linux

<halex-ab> 'night all..

<Kamping_Kaiser> night

<Kamping_Kaiser> alistair, what language?

<alistair> esperanto

<alistair> in the installer on the live cd it had esperanto

<alistair> but i couldn't install in esperanto because it kept jamming

<Kamping_Kaiser> did you check the menus? they may not be translated

<alistair> maybe

<siccness> i hate this

<siccness> i think i worked out why its doing what its doing tho

<siccness> either hard-drive, ide, ide connector

<siccness> *ide cable

<siccness> the inventor of the rounded-ide cable was a tool.

<Kamping_Kaiser> rofl.

<siccness> i cant work out what made him think "well, no one will be able to connect their devices, but who cares, it'll improve airflow!"

<siccness> no flexibility in those things whatsoever.

<Kamping_Kaiser> mine are great

<siccness> thats because you have a pansy case.

<Kamping_Kaiser> rofl

<siccness> im gonna ask Ricki Lee Coulter out

<Kamping_Kaiser> who?

<siccness> google-image her

<siccness> you know the deal champ :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> my bad :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> not bad

<Yagisan> ?

<Kamping_Kaiser> hi Yagisan

* Kamping_Kaiser hugs Hobbsee

<Yagisan> G'day

<Kamping_Kaiser> (sorry for randomness sarah)

<Yagisan> hey - off my Hobbsee

<Kamping_Kaiser> er...

<Kamping_Kaiser> /your/...?

* Kamping_Kaiser bitchslaps Yagisan from here to wa

* merlin-linux gives Kamping_Kaiser a one armed hug while holding on to a pale ale in the other hand

<Yagisan> well - close enough

* Kamping_Kaiser hugs merlin-linux in exactly the same way!

<merlin-linux> :-)

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

* Yagisan clocks up enough frequent flyer points on the way for a free trip back

* merlin-linux bitckslaps Yagisan back to Kamping_Kaiser

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol Yagisan

<Hobbsee> khey Kamping_Kaiser, Yagisan

<Hobbsee> hah

<Hobbsee> do i belong to Yagisan now? hmm, okay

<siccness> ok, testing to see whether or not it's ide cables fault :)

* Kamping_Kaiser wants Hobbsee back :(

<Yagisan> Hobbsee, yes - I keep you neraby to fix all my kde problems

<merlin-linux> hiya Hobbsee

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, gl

<Yagisan> :P

<siccness> no need to wish me good luck

* merlin-linux runs sudo rm -rf / on Yagisan's pc

<siccness> because the fact is, if it doesnt work, you'll see a flying hard-drive ruch over south australia

<Yagisan> Kamping_Kaiser, to late - I called it - shes my uber kde tech on call

<Hobbsee> Yagisan: hah

<siccness> *rush over

<Hobbsee> hey merlin-linux

<Kamping_Kaiser> :'(

<Yagisan> merlin-linux discovers too late that Yagisan's pc is actually a ltsp terminal

* merlin-linux tells Yagisan to now install ubuntu without the kde crap

<Yagisan> merlin-linux, pfft, I link k3b, konq, and kpdf

<Yagisan> s/link/like

<siccness> ok, i dont think it's the cable

<siccness> this isnt lookingg good thop :|

<merlin-linux> Yagisan: what kde can do, gnome can do bit better

<merlin-linux> +a

<Yagisan> merlin-linux, suggest a decent replacement for each of those apps

<siccness> alrighty, Kamping_Kaiser, odds are: $5 if i can throw the hdd to S.A, $10 to throw it to W.A

<merlin-linux> k3b - gnomebaker, konq - firefox nautilus, kpdf - Evince

<Yagisan> merlin-linux, nope - fails on my uni www site - you must be kidding me right ?

<merlin-linux> Kamping_Kaiser: i got all my Ai2 robot today :-) took me about an hour to build it all

<Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)

<merlin-linux> and i spend half the day learning to hack the crap out of it

<merlin-linux> and the BricWorks program for linux is all written in python so it very hackable

* Yagisan googles from programming guides in pdf

<Yagisan> Hobbsee, you finished uni yet ?

<Hobbsee> Yagisan: nope :(

<merlin-linux> Yagisan: the Ai2 programming manual is here >>> http://www.microbric.com/ai2/sitefiles/File/BricWorkshelp.pdf

<Yagisan> I start term 3 tommorow Hobbsee

<Hobbsee> fun

<Yagisan> they are evil - I have an assignment due in Australia day

<alistair> term 3 where ?

<Yagisan> alistair, University of Central Queensland

<alistair> cool

<alistair> what do you study ?

<Yagisan> Bachelor of Information Technology

<Yagisan> I can't say what I do is study

<Yagisan> but I try

<Yagisan> I have a double whammy of boring classes - maths and databases

<Yagisan> on the other hand I have information security as well :D

<siccness> Kamping_Kaiser: im thinking its a faulty mobo/cpu/ram setup now

<Kamping_Kaiser> :S

* Kamping_Kaiser is thinking beer

* adhoc has had beer

* adhoc has moved onto the hard stuff

<adhoc> tea

<siccness> aka shit stuff

<alistair> i study IPT at school -- it is great =p

<alistair> actually i have finished it

<siccness> ipt?

<alistair> we rushed through it so much that i hardly learnt anything

<alistair> information processing and technology

<siccness> exciting stuff.

<alistair> yeh

<siccness> what kind of gear did they teach ya?

<roth-laptop> sounds as mind numbing as cert4

<alistair> we started with computer architecture and moved on to ethics etc of computers and some visual basic html css and database design

<siccness> LOL

<roth-laptop> project management and relate to clients

<roth-laptop> ZZzzZZzzz

<siccness> project management is kind of interesting

<siccness> its a piece of shit to do tho

<roth-laptop> term 3 tommorow WTF

<roth-laptop> im half way through term 4

<alistair> =p

<siccness> 2 weeks left in my course

<alistair> i need to decide what i want to do after school

<siccness> tafe :)

<siccness> university requires focus

<Yagisan> hah

<Yagisan> university requires $$$$$$

<siccness> ok, university requires /more/ focus

<alistair> yeh

<alistair> so what do you learn in a bachelor of IT ?

<siccness> depends on the course, im assuming

<roth-laptop> lern @ younee

<Yagisan> alistair, depends on what you specalise in

<Yagisan> alistair, I went for a systems specialisation because ...

<Yagisan> I can get excempt form at least 50% of the course

<Yagisan> less work == happy Yagisan

<alistair> hehe okay

<Yagisan> alistair, here it is -> http://content.cqu.edu.au/Handbook/programs.jsp?code=CQ18

<Yagisan> remember, its four years of hard work at uni

<siccness> who here is extremely intelligent with computers?

<Yagisan> then you miss out on the job because they company decides it wants to hire an Indian for $3 an hour

<Yagisan> siccness, whats the issue

<siccness> ok, ill have to write it down and ill show ya

<Phlosten> Yagisan: expensive Indian

<Yagisan> Phlosten, he was already over here

<Yagisan> Phlosten, of course its cheaper if they haven't left

<Phlosten> heh

<Phlosten> does csq do distance ed?

<adhoc> four years of learning how to pass exams and please lectureres

* Yagisan isn't bitter over losing one of his jobs to an Indian for $5 an hour - no siree

<adhoc> i learnt more in my own time hacking code and building linux boxes that i did at uni =)

<Yagisan> Phlosten, CQU does distance

<siccness> Yagisan....

<siccness> Copying files from hdd --> sda (85% files were copied properly)

<siccness> Copying remaining files (15%) from hdd --> sda (100% files were copied properly)

<siccness> When CPU usage is reasonably high, computer screen locks-up (can only alt+tab to unlock it)

<siccness> When CPU usage is reasonably high, when typing (eg: hello), it comes out as helllooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (with 200 more o's)

<Yagisan> adhoc, I do too, but I can emigrate with the degree

<adhoc> i know

<adhoc> i did learn a lot at uni

<adhoc> but not the useful things i expected

<siccness> now when the CPU usage is high, it's either compiling/installing (to hdc)

<Yagisan> siccness, cleaned the cpu fans ? adequate ventilation ?

<siccness> nope

<siccness> gimme more ideas

<siccness> im not basing this whole thing on that

<siccness> (i will do that tho)

<adhoc> get yourself a vacumn cleaner in there and scuk out all the dust puppies

<Phlosten> i have thought many a time about going to uni, and then the crap associated with applying usually ends it all

<Yagisan> Phlosten, sounds like you need a woman to make you apply

<roth-laptop> i really love the broad vague discriptions used in it these days

<siccness> you got anymore ideas, adhoc?

<Phlosten> Yagisan: i have a woman who doesnt really want me to apply

<Yagisan> siccness, it works ok without high cpu useage ?

<roth-laptop> A career in Information Technology (IT) is fast-paced, challenging and dynamic.

<siccness> Yagisan: yes

* roth-laptop LOLZ

<Yagisan> siccness, clean *all* the fans and heatsinks in you box

<Phlosten> roth-laptop: how fast can one insert a cd, and can you break that record? ;)

<siccness> I will

<Yagisan> siccness, you are describing mild overheating issues

<siccness> yes

<Yagisan> roth-laptop, of course its fast paced - this is how it works

<siccness> im more focused on southbridge

<Phlosten> how fast can you outbid an Indian

<Yagisan> $4/hr do I hear $4/hr - can I get $3/hr - we have $3/hr, the gentle man from calcutta claims 50c /hr. done - job outsorced to the Indian

<siccness> Yagisan: CPU: 51C, Motherboard: 53c, Chipset: 50c

<Yagisan> siccness, bios temps ?

<siccness> those are read from bios

<Phlosten> hot m/board

<Yagisan> challenging - "Excuse me please sir - now that I have been outbiding you - how may I be doing your job please"

<siccness> barely.

<siccness> im worried about chipset more than anything

<alistair> do a lot of viruses attack ubuntu

<siccness> alistair: there are no viruses

<Phlosten> whats a virus?

<alistair> i don't have a antivirus etc on it yet

<siccness> viruses cease to exist on linux, alistair

<alistair> okay

<siccness> well they exist, but you aint gonna get one

<Yagisan> alistair, you don't need anivirus

<Kamping_Kaiser> Phlosten, basis of a cool game (viruskiller)

<siccness> im thinkin a good way to really test this, Yagisan, is to blow a full-blown aircon next to the box

<alistair> so is the lan that i am on safe ? the other computers are windows and have antivirus

<Yagisan> siccness, no moisture!

<siccness> put the bastard into mid 10s

<siccness> moister? sif.

<Yagisan> alistair, windows viruses can not affect Ubuntu, at all

<Phlosten> welcome to 'dewpoint'

<alistair> all right cool

<realist> I've only discovered one (1) linux specific worm/trojan in the wild

<siccness> alright, Yagisan. Time to pull the box apart :)

<siccness> thx

<Yagisan> realist, ramen ?

<realist> No idea what it was called

<adhoc> Yagisan: in 1994, there was a work

<adhoc> wrom

<adhoc> worm

<realist> I didn't bother naming it either

<realist> Was actually a trojan

<realist> IRC based zombie bot

<realist> It exploited a vulnerability in some php based web software

<realist> Managed to grab a copy and pull it apart

<Yagisan> sound fun

<roth-laptop> arg god dammit

* Yagisan wonders why is it 24 degrees at 11pm

<realist> It's only 15C here

<roth-laptop> ive tried every combinatiuon of hardware and i still cant boot ubuntu

<Phlosten> i think i might go study at CSU

<Yagisan> Phlosten, I don't suggest them - I left for a reason

<adhoc> Phlosten: wassat? CSU?

<Phlosten> they that bad

<Phlosten> ?

<Phlosten> the good thing is that they exist here

<Yagisan> Phlosten, I found them to be that bad

<realist> I'm probably going to finish my degree via some type of online corrospondance

<Yagisan> that make TAFE look very good

<Phlosten> oh right

<Yagisan> Phlosten, they favour O/S students

<realist> Yagisan: perhaps it's more to do with your learning style, than the quality of the institution?

<Phlosten> I need to do a bridging course to get into anything really

<realist> Tafe is very diferent from Uni

<realist> Apples and Oranges really

<Phlosten> i can do 6 month bridging course and get a guaranteed entry the following year

<Yagisan> realist, not really

<realist> Phlosten: me too probably, I've burnt any bridges I already had

<Phlosten> i wonder how many OS students have found their way out to the sticks out here

<adhoc> Phlosten: where is 'here' ?

<realist> I'm almost tempted to forge my academic transcripts (if it wasn't for my highly ethical conscience)

<Phlosten> Dubbo

<adhoc> is that wagga?

<Yagisan> realist, they was a incident when the lecturer disagreed with me and failed me in every assignment and exam

<adhoc> Phlosten: ah right

<Phlosten> our Tafe may as well not exist

<Phlosten> I looked into that option for some sort of piece of paper

<Yagisan> realist, and decided to pass Indian students that were plagarising their work straight from google

<Phlosten> isnt google great

<realist> Yagisan: I'm of the opinion most unis care more about making money, and research grants, than education/accreditation

<Yagisan> yeah - complete with students CQU email address

<realist> Yagisan: choose a better uni ;p

<Phlosten> i wonder how much this CSU Connect course is

<Yagisan> realist, you are probably correct - but I'd never wipe my arse with a CSU degree as its inferior to say home brand toilet paper

<Yagisan> realist, I did

<realist> I've heard good things about UNSW, unimelb, RMIT, UWA. Monash

<adhoc> night all

<Yagisan> realist, I went to CQU

<Phlosten> anyway night all

<Yagisan> night adhoc

<realist> You moved from CQU -> CSU?

<Yagisan> Phlosten, you need to go face to face for Uni ? if not, look at some others

<realist> Or vice cersa

<Yagisan> realist, CSu -> CQU

* realist nods

<realist> Looked into open learning?

<realist> They do a B.IT

<Yagisan> realist, so far so good - lectures are all approacable - I can use the labs 24/7 in the Sydney campus

<realist> I'd prefer to do a B.Sci (Comp)... but B.IT is pretty similar anyway

<Yagisan> - is there www site doesn't work in firefox, so I need to use konq

<Yagisan> realist, I'm a fully distence ed student

<realist> See, the thing is, I'm already in an IT career, only need the peice of paper to advance it

<realist> Or do some post.grad research stuff (ie. something interesting)

<Yagisan> I'm similar. I'm already in IT, but I need a BIT to actually get into something I want - which is all post-grad

<Yagisan> and it helps me flee the country ;)

<realist> What post grad was it you wanted to do again?

<realist> I remember our last discussion

<realist> (We've got similar goals)

<Yagisan> would be in the Information Security area

<alistair> yagisan where do you want to go ?

<Yagisan> alistair, Tokyo

<alistair> cool

<realist> Not sure what post.grad course are actually out there for infosec

<realist> Other than the vendor type ones (SANS/GIAC)

<Yagisan> realist, there are some.

* Yagisan checks CQU www site

<realist> I'd even contemplated the AFP/DSD/ASIO route

<Yagisan> I checked the ASIO route

<Yagisan> they have gaurds with machine guns in the foyer

<Yagisan> O_o

<Yagisan> I unnerved them so I didn't get a job or training program

<realist> DSD have supercomputers *grin*

<Yagisan> I wouldn't be surprised if I'm under surveillance

<realist> Un-nerved who? The guards?

<Yagisan> no - the interviewers

<realist> Hah! How so?

<Yagisan> 21 year old, knowing more about info sec then them, and um - more then willing to crack the box ;)

<Yagisan> job went to a guy twice my age, but 1 was the 2nd choice candidate

<Yagisan> realist, I "researched" my interviwers before going there

<Yagisan> who they were, what they do - and I was an hour earlier to scope out the building

<Yagisan> they are a *long* way from anywhere decent to eat

<alistair> haha

* realist laughs

<alistair> anyway i am going to go now

<alistair> talk to you guys later

<alistair> bye

<Yagisan> alistair, bye

<realist> It's about the same with DSD

<Yagisan> realist, they took my moblie off me before I went in

<realist> I wouldn't have allowed that

<Yagisan> realist, no one had them - had to be locked up

<realist> They wouldn't of had the opportunity with me

<realist> I only take myself, and what I'm wearing, to interviews.

<Yagisan> they had to lock theirs up as well

<Yagisan> on the otherhand, I'd identified several possible locations to jack into there network, and 1 was from the car park. I expect they have fixed it by now

<realist> The carpark?

<Yagisan> I think thats the real reason I didn't get the job

<Yagisan> yeah

<realist> No, it'd have been other reasons

<realist> They generally want to keep the hackers on _their_ side

<Yagisan> it certainly would not be technical ablity

<Yagisan> ethics ?

<realist> Could be anything, I don't really know what they're looking for

<Yagisan> they wanted feild ops for pcs, at the height of the "terrorist" scare

<realist> It generally comes down to your psych profile

<realist> Data forensics people?

<Yagisan> some

<Yagisan> I have that - but its not what was in the job desc

<Yagisan> it was more like government paid pen testing, and forensics

<Yagisan> paid decently too, which is a shame

<Yagisan> no Indian for $3 to out bid you

<Yagisan> realist, InfoSec Major -> http://content.cqu.edu.au/Handbook/programs.jsp?code=CF74

<realist> Well there you go :-)

<Yagisan> I meet 1 of the 2 entry requirements ATM

* Yagisan can't find the cost O_o

<realist> Just checking out www.open.edu.au

<realist> Appears I've done 50% of the subjects already during previous studies

<realist> On a sidenote, DSD appears to be full of Arts graduates

<realist> Not as technical as it first appeared

<Yagisan> heh

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<fildo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31207/ < can anyone assist

<Kamping_Kaiser> has anyone got my email about a meeting today?

<Kamping_Kaiser> i got bounced :S

<realist> I got it

<Kamping_Kaiser> hm. *pokes at canonical* and declares: bizarre

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<halex-ab> We having a meeting this morning?

<bokey> don't know.

<^Uriah^> no

<purserj> nope, meetings are usually held in the evenings and it appears this fortnights has been cancelled

<bokey> =)

<^Uriah^> tomorrow morning

<^Uriah^> :)

* bokey morning everyone =)

<merlin-linux> morning all

<^Uriah^> hi

<^Uriah^> anyone here using tor?

<greebo> ^Uriah^, I know someone in #slug using it. nornagon

<^Uriah^> greebo: no his not

<^Uriah^> * [nornagon] (n=nornagon@203-219-165-210.static.tpgi.com.au): Unknown

<greebo> he hangs out is #slug, he isn't alert atm, but he is logged into #slug

<^Uriah^> greebo: no his not

<^Uriah^> he dolesnt use tpr

<greebo> ^Uriah^, he was playing with tor for his school, i was only suggesting you ask him about it :)

<^Uriah^> greebo: do you know what tor is?

<Changlinn> !tor

<ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.23-1 (edgy), package size 763 kB, installed size 1556 kB

<greebo> ^Uriah^, yes, because one of the school kids was using it to trick the proxy set up in his school by the powers that be to track student activity :)

<^Uriah^> lol

<^Uriah^> ok

<^Uriah^> greebo: im uisng it now

<Phlosten> morning all

<merlin-linux> morning Phlosten

<Phlosten> anyone else having troubles with Gaim and MSN?

<purserj> let me check

<merlin-linux> no

<purserj> Nope I can get on

<merlin-linux> but someone else in another channel was tho last night

<Phlosten> hmm

<Phlosten> mine has had issues for days, random disconnections etc

<Phlosten> now today it wont connect at all

<rob_melb> "have u tried turin it off and on again" it crowd

<Phlosten> heh

<Phlosten> ok, prob solved

<Phlosten> local prob with squid

<Phlosten> someone must have caught it and made some calamari

<Changlinn> gaims fine here

<^Uriah^> Changlinn: behave ;)

<^Uriah^> Changlinn: tried Amsn?

<^Uriah^> Changlinn: did you know that Amsn supports webcam?

<^Uriah^> Changlinn: ???

<Phlosten> ah-ha, disk full on server causing squid to crash

<rob_melb> you were lucky to only loose squid

<Phlosten> indeed

<Phlosten> really need a bigger hard disk in it. 2.4GB is a bit squishy

*** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ

<Phlosten> wheee

<purserj> yay rain

<onefang> Rain?

<purserj> yup http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR032.loop.shtml <-- We're in wollongong

<Phlosten> severe thunderstorm warning out this way

<Phlosten> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN65156.shtml

<onefang> Ah, blue skies in Bris Vegas

<bimberi> Lots here too :))))

<^Uriah^> bimberi: hello :)

<bimberi> hi ^Uriah^

<^Uriah^> bimberi: do you use tor with an email client?

<^Uriah^> bimberi: is that possible?

<bimberi> nope

<^Uriah^> is it possible to send anon emails through tor?

<bimberi> er, nope I don't use it. I have no idea if its possible

<^Uriah^> bimberi: you use tor according your info

<purserj> what info?

<purserj> His whois info doesn't show tor at all

<bimberi> ^Uriah^: no I don't. what info do you mean? hostname cloak?

<^Uriah^> bimberi: sorry wrong ID

<^Uriah^> bimberi: whats n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi) ?

<^Uriah^> how you get the ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi?

<bimberi> ^Uriah^: that's a hostname cloak. Freenode set it up when I identify to nicserv

<bimberi> *nickserv

<^Uriah^> ok

<bimberi> ^Uriah^: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks

<^Uriah^> bimberi: im alrady cloaked

<^Uriah^> i use tor

<bimberi> indeed

<^Uriah^> :)

<^Uriah^> bimberi: do you love me?

<Kamping_Kaiser> ^Uriah^, you on a custom key, or on the generic key?

<^Uriah^> Kamping_Kaiser: what?

<^Uriah^> no idea what you asking

<Kamping_Kaiser> ^Uriah^, gpg key to connect to freenode through tor

<^Uriah^> Kamping_Kaiser: what you mean?

<^Uriah^> Kamping_Kaiser: I applied for a gpg access

<Kamping_Kaiser> nm

<^Uriah^> still waiting :P

<Kamping_Kaiser> heh

<^Uriah^> nm?

<^Uriah^> whats nm?

<Kamping_Kaiser> never mind

<^Uriah^> ah ok

<^Uriah^> tftm

* Phlosten listens to the loud thunder

<^Uriah^> Phlosten: behave

<purserj> well if you're getting it then we should be due some more

<Phlosten> ^Uriah^: never!

<Phlosten> purserj: most likely, you have a large catchment area down your way too don't you?

<purserj> yeah, Sydney's about to start gouging it

<Phlosten> there is a lovely big patch of rain heading your way

<bimberi> http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR402.shtml :))))

* bimberi uses the gimp to add some dark red bits and submits to the BoM for mapping to reality

<Phlosten> heh

<Phlosten> i'll be impressed when there is large black bit over this way

<Phlosten> although I am sure if that happened there would be some unimpressed new housing owners that would find out why building within a flood plain is a bad idea

<bimberi> heh :)

<^Uriah^> purserj: im in Sydney

<roth-laptop> damn mechanics

<purserj> Phlosten: we've got the same problem around here. Dapto is basically a flood plain

<Phlosten> hehe, wee patch of rain here http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR032.shtml

<Phlosten> hope there is the more behind it

<^Uriah^> purserj: where in Sydney?

<purserj> ^Uriah^: I don't live in Sydney

<purserj> I live south of Wollongong

<^Uriah^> purserj: why not?

<^Uriah^> wollongong has many dead beat, drop kick people

<^Uriah^> losers in other words :)

<^Uriah^> no offense :)

<Phlosten> hmm

<^Uriah^> :)

<roth-laptop> youre a drop kick " no offence " LOLZ

<^Uriah^> :)

<Phlosten> the whole 'no offense' thing makes everything better

<Phlosten> not

<roth-laptop> LOL

<^Uriah^> cheers big ears!

<^Uriah^> did you get them pinned back?

* purserj wonders if ^Uriah^ has been here before

<^Uriah^> yes

<^Uriah^> using a doff nick

<^Uriah^> Pixel

<^Uriah^> why?

<^Uriah^> my official nick for 15 years is pixel

<^Uriah^> i used to be a member of the Future Crew

<^Uriah^> im from Sweden

<purserj> I'll remember to look out for it

<^Uriah^> purserj: ok

<^Uriah^> is exetel any good?

<^Uriah^> purserj: well?

<purserj> sorry RL interfering with irc

<^Uriah^> RL?

<dsas> NHey, Have you guys submitted a LoCoTeam Approval Application?

<dsas> ^Uriah^: heh

<^Uriah^> yep

<^Uriah^> you?

<onefang> There is such a thing as RL?

<onefang> I thought it was just a myth.

<bimberi> dsas: no, we were approved before that was introduced

<^Uriah^> onefang: Ralph Lauren

<dsas> bimberi: Bah, can't steal ideas from you guys then :)

<bimberi> dsas: lol

<^Uriah^> dsas: thief!

<dsas> well, you guys stole our ashes.

<^Uriah^> and we will again

<dsas> ^Uriah^: :(

<^Uriah^> dsas: did you find your grandmothers ashes?

<dsas> ^Uriah^: Uhm, neither of them were dead last time I checked.

<^Uriah^> wow thats amazing

<^Uriah^> they visted the coocoons?

<dsas> ^Uriah^: I'm only 21 :p

<^Uriah^> you young fart :)

<dsas> my grandparents are like 70 odd

<^Uriah^> cool

<Kamping_Kaiser> dsas, i'm yonger then that, and i'm getting short on grandparents ;)

<dsas> Kamping_Kaiser: well, I'm down to two.

<Kamping_Kaiser> ditto. *grin*

<^Uriah^> Kamping_Kaiser: thats due to different eating lifetyles

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