<JKnife> =P

<icheyne> I tried to rmdir .config

<icheyne> but could not do it, even as dudo

<cellofellow> Hi

<icheyne> sudo

<icheyne> I used that horrible --ignore-fail-on-non-empty flag and everything

<icheyne> :(

<icheyne> how do I kill it?

<cellofellow> you can't just rm dirs with stuff in them

<cellofellow> oh

<cellofellow> oops

* cellofellow foot in mouth again

* icheyne despairs

<JKnife> icheyne: tried 'rm -rf ~/.config' ?

<icheyne> nope

<icheyne> what do the rf flags do?

<icheyne> I tried rm -d

<JKnife> recursive and fource

<icheyne> but that did sf all

<cellofellow> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop should kill gdm

<JKnife> force*

<icheyne> ah ok

<icheyne> I'll try that now

<icheyne> I'm logged in as my wife

<icheyne> so i can do it

<icheyne> hang on

<JKnife> WAIT

<cellofellow> only people in the admin group can sudo

<icheyne> yes we both are

<icheyne> why wait?

<JKnife> o.O do NOT use ~ but do 'rm -rf /home/<username>/.config

<bokey> cellofellow# no. sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop

<crimsun> Jester45: 'Foo' is a placeholder that is substituted as appropriate, yes.

<icheyne> oh ok

<Jester45> crimsun: i think you understood me wrong i want amixer to add the % like amixer is at 50% then the command addes 30% so its then 80%

<icheyne> well that worked thanks guys

<icheyne> I'll try logging in again

<JKnife> ok

<Jester45> crimsun: i ran it as foo and it couldnt find control foo

<JKnife> gl

<icheyne> I've got to say

<icheyne> ircII is pretty cool

<icheyne> never tried it before

* JKnife uses IRSSI

<icheyne> IRSSI

<icheyne> ok

<icheyne> I'll try that

<icheyne> back in a mo

<JKnife> k

<cellofellow> command is irc not irssi

<JKnife> cellofellow: yes it is

* cellofellow goes to check

<cellofellow> it's both

<JKnife> irc = symlink

<cellofellow> I know, duh. (now)

<crimsun> Jester45: sure, you can. Put the operation after the percentage.

<crimsun> for instance, amixer -c0 set 'Analog Front' 30%+

<Jester45> never tried with -c0

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> thank you

<Jester45> i love crimsun

<crimsun> (it's in the man page, of course.)

<Jester45> no it wasnt

<Jester45> well

<crimsun> I'm quite sure it is. I wrote that portion.

<Jester45> i got confused in the alsamixer and amixer man pages it was confuseing

<crimsun> to specify channels to be changed. When plus(+) or minus(-) let‐

<crimsun> ter is appended after volume value, the volume is incremented or

<crimsun> decremented from the current value, respectively.

* Jester45 think he didnt :)

<ryan_> hello buddy

<Jester45> o hey

<maxamillion> crimsun: what is your opinion about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter#preview?

<maxamillion> ... errr -?

<maxamillion> or +<space>

<maxamillion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter#preview

<maxamillion> :)

<Jester45> thanks crimsun

<maxamillion> sorry ... :/ ... been a long day at work

<crimsun> maxamillion: I haven't read that thread yet

<Jester45> crimsun: what about adding bass?

<crimsun> Jester45: if your hardware doesn't enumerate that control, then you're out of luck

<Jester45> the addtion of % works great

<maxamillion> crimsun: its still in the planning stages, but everything you see has been put together within the last 48 hours including concept code, the official wiki, an external development wiki, and a launchpad entry ... we are very excited about seeing this succeed

<cellofellow> I know they aren't a real threat, but are there any REAL linux viruses?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: uhmmm... not currently afaik

<crimsun> maxamillion: I'll look at it tomorrow AM; I've just returned from a conference and am attempting to catch up with backlog

<JKnife> all proof of concept codes

<cellofellow> most nned to be run by root explicitly right?

<maxamillion> crimsun: ah, ok :)

<Jester45> crimsun: how do you keep up with all the development

<JKnife> cellofellow: yes

<crimsun> Jester45: I don't sleep

<Jester45> o

<maxamillion> cellofellow: well that's the thing, if a virus is run by root the system was comprimised before the virus ran (normally)

<Jester45> maybe i should try that

<maxamillion> brb ...

<Jester45> o yes i dont sleep also

<Jester45> well school

<Jester45> hahahaahahahaha i got my xfmedia working precftly now

<Jester45> next back volume +- play/pause stop

<Jester45> mute

<Jester45> now i need to get frefox to open a website with a button but if i just press the internet button i get a about:blank

<icheyne> thanks for your help guys

<icheyne> sudo rm -rf .config worked wonders

<crimsun> then just set your home page appropriately in FF's prefs

<icheyne> I am now back on xfce

<maxamillion> icheyne: anytime :)

<icheyne> :)

<icheyne> I've got to say, irssi is fugly

<Jester45> crimsun: i want the default to be blank

<JKnife> =/

<maxamillion> no no no ... irssi is incredible

<JKnife> icheyne: irssi.org and find yourself a theme =)

<Jester45> no no no ... irssi is fugly

<icheyne> oh ok

<icheyne> I'll look for a theme

* JKnife likes the SuX and Elf themes

<maxamillion> icheyne: go play with nirc or bitchX, irssi will seem like software from $DIETY

<maxamillion> deity* ...

* maxamillion can't type for beans today

<icheyne> I've been quite happy with xchat really

<icheyne> but I'll give irssi a go

<maxamillion> icheyne: xchat is nice, but i just like the command line when its convenient and since irc doesn't need all the UI stuff, i just find this much easier

<vidd> maxamillion, suffering from twisted finger syndrome?

<Jester45> vidd: i think i have that i got my hands switched today left to right and right to left

<maxamillion> vidd: naw, suffering from "i can accomplish so much so fast with the cli and some key combos i find myself bored at times waiting for others to catch up" syndrome ;)

* vidd is thinking of creating a support group for sufferers of twisted finger syndrome

<vidd> that includes hand swapping maladies too

<Jester45> lol vidd meeting #1 ok get ready now type hi

<cellofellow> JKnife: how to install irssi theme?

<vidd> ih

<Jester45> first person hi 2nd ih 3rd ihi...im leaving

<JKnife> cellofellow: is it just a .theme file?

<cellofellow> JKnife: yes

<JKnife> cellofellow: put it in ~/.irssi and do /set theme <theme name>

<cellofellow> firefox openned it as text

<JKnife> save it -_-

* vidd is getting prepared to install xfce on this dapper system to see if i can break the printing

<cellofellow> ok

<JKnife> vidd: lol

<icheyne> quit

<vidd> this system is ssssooooo ssslllloooowwwww with gnome.....its so NOT funny

<Jester45> windows needs xfce

<maxamillion> windows needs to be put in its place

* cellofellow isn't sure he likes the theme he picked

<cellofellow> maxamillion: how so?

<bokey> what's a good candidate to replace skype ?

<vidd> windows were made to be smashed by baseballs, bats, and rocks

<JKnife> cellofellow: so? find a different one =)

<cellofellow> 0_o eewww cat drooled on touchpad

<cellofellow> JKnife: i am

* vidd KNEW cats were evil!!!!

<vidd> cellofellow, yer cat a windows fanatic? lol

<JKnife> vidd: i like nekos =(

<cellofellow> vidd: no just a lap fanatic

<vidd> nothing 25k volts of electricity cant cure

<cellofellow> !amor

<ubotu> amor: a KDE creature for your desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 329 kB, installed size 2092 kB

<cellofellow> that

<JKnife> yall are mean to nekos =/

<maxamillion> cellofellow: ms needs to stop trying to mess with linux because it is a viable contender in the market place, they need to stay away from linux business

<cellofellow> 's a cute little program that can have a cat running around your screen

<vidd> they say cats always land on thier feet....what if you throw them against the wall first?

<cellofellow> maxamillion: they never let competition comptere they alway s try to squish it

<maxamillion> vidd: done it, they land on their feet 4 out of 5 times .... its also subject to how hard you throw them

<maxamillion> cellofellow: and they always have the money to accomplist it

<maxamillion> i think worst case scenario they will just buy Novell and then shut it down

<vidd> maxamillion, i still want to run my own experiments!lol

<cellofellow> vidd: you dropp them upside down from about a foot above the ground and the land on their heads.

<cellofellow> maxamillion: they've been wanting to do that for years I'd bet.

<icheyne> thanks again for the help guys

<maxamillion> np, anytime

<icheyne> I had to go back to xchat

<icheyne> might try irssi again sometime though

<icheyne> but for now I'm being a coward!

<icheyne> ;P

<maxamillion> icheyne: honestly, its all about preference

<icheyne> sure I see that

<JKnife> yep

<icheyne> it's just a question of getting used to it

<JKnife> and you can do more things with IRSSI then XChat

<icheyne> a bit like Linux in general

<JKnife> =)

<maxamillion> icheyne: i enjoy irssi because i am a command line junkie, its not for everyone ... hence why there _are_ alternatives :)

<icheyne> oh sure

<icheyne> :)

<icheyne> vive la difference!

<Jester45> i like gaim

<Jester45> becuase this is the only channle i join

<Jester45> and im on aim alot also

<maxamillion> gaim is nice, i use it for aim

<icheyne> makes sense

<Jester45> so gaim tis hte bomb for me

<maxamillion> fair enough

* vidd thinks the federal government (USA) should use anti-trust legislation already on the books to MAKE M$ break up into seperate companies....

<Jester45> maxamillion: i get on yahoo sometimes

<bokey> Jester45# have a question for you. =)

<icheyne> ok boys I'm off to bed

<icheyne> thanks gain

<maxamillion> Jester45: never did yahoo ... thinking about google talking though

<icheyne> again

<icheyne> cya

<icheyne> :)

<vidd> an office suite company, an internet suite company, and the OS

<maxamillion> laters icheyne

<bokey> Jester45# need to get something that'll let me call landline/mobile free. =)

<cellofellow> vidd: what companies? windows, office, msn, and games?

<bokey> Jester45# any idea?

<Jester45> bokey split nebiors phone line?

<maxamillion> vidd: i really think that would just make them more powerful because they would actually get things organized

<cellofellow> maxamillion: don't bother with google talk unless you want a gmail account. (it's required anyways) just use jabber

<vidd> office, windows, internet, online(MSN/.NET)

<Jester45> vidd: they cant make it that way becuase the os company would have all the power

<vidd> and the others would FLOP

<maxamillion> cellofellow: i have a gmail account, have since it came out

<cellofellow> then M$ would be back where they were in the eighties.

<maxamillion> just never used google talk

<cellofellow> maxamillion: then you just need to USE g-talk I use it with an MSN transport no problems

<vidd> you miss the point....

<maxamillion> cool cool

<cellofellow> maxamillion: and no stupid winks and nudges and other MSN kiddie-crap

<vidd> office outlook is built on outlook express, which is built off internet explorer

<cellofellow> vidd: point? what's your point?

<cellofellow> vidd: so windows doesn't work without explorer so if they make explorer a different company they break?

<vidd> by having office toos COMPLETELY seperate from internet, either office outlook goes with internet

<maxamillion> nope, they just "license the API" ... problem solved

<vidd> which makes their office suite die

<vidd> or they have to sver oulook express from IE...making thier IE die

<cellofellow> I think it would kill them flat

<maxamillion> no, they would license the API between the different branches and each could continue developing like always

* cellofellow agrees with vidd

<cellofellow> then the point is gone

<cellofellow> no gain from the split

<vidd> there is anti-trust legislation ALREADY ON THE BOOKS that they (M$) has violated

<cellofellow> unless the USG forces not just a split but a split and sell out. Novell gets a big, oracle a bit, IBM a bit, corel a bit, etc.

<maxamillion> no gain, no loss ... it would simply be a smoke screen view of them being split .... al that would really happen is that they would have to fill out some extra paper work to be able to implement each other's software

<vidd> but they can no longer use the "package bundle discount" that is so attractive to OEM's....

<bokey> Jester45# =) no idea ?

<maxamillion> i could sit down with IBM tomorrow and license the API to some proprietary whatever they have and I could then in turn sell a fully integrated, fully functional, and fully supported application

<cellofellow> so linux has a fair shot at the hardware makers

<vidd> OEM's would have to write 3 checks.....

<vidd> why should they have to when open office is free, mozilla suite is free

<vidd> M$ internet goes belly up

<vidd> M$ Office goes belly up

<maxamillion> vidd: naw, this is where it gets really tricky ... one branch of them splits off to make a "centralized distributor" who then could offer the discount, still only 1 check and the middle man then spreads the money evenly ... what do we now have? old M$ under a new business model

<vidd> Windows stays in lockdown (no vita releese)

<NotAvailable> Does anyone know any fix for my xubuntu not shutting down properly !?

<maxamillion> you can not stop the release of vista... its impossible

<crimsun> NotAvailable: yank the power plug?

<maxamillion> :P

<NotAvailable> lol

<NotAvailable> i was thinking about something more sublte

<crimsun> seriously, have you actually described the technical symptoms?

<vidd> federal goverment slaps an injuntion, M$ violates it, the can NO LONGER do buisness in the US

<NotAvailable> actualy i know it just doesent power off as it should

<cellofellow> anyone know of a nintendo64 emulator for my kid brother?

<cellofellow> NotAvailable: os quits but doesn't turn off machine?

* vidd has synaptic working....cant check

<NotAvailable> exacly

<Commander-Crowe> NotAvailable did you ever get it to work?

<NotAvailable> power is still on

<NotAvailable> in widows yes

* cellofellow has an old box that does that

<maxamillion> vidd: the US government can't afford to kick M$ out, they alone could cripple our economy

* vidd has the same issue

<cellofellow> no not my desktop my server which I don't turn off :)

<vidd> maxamillion, our economy would IMPROVE i think

<cellofellow> vidd: after a big recession

<Commander-Crowe> I think someone should SSH into his comp and see whats wrong

* vidd sees no chance of recession

<cellofellow> economies always come out stronger after recessions but it's painful

<vidd> linux has all the answers right there at the drop of a hat

<vidd> and its all free (as in beer AND speech)

<cellofellow> sometimes I wonder what would happen if a commercial unix like mac or maybe aix became big.

<NotAvailable> anyway it seems is a berry common undocumented 'feature' .. workarround in the forums just do't seem to work for me

<vidd> so no anti-trust issue

<maxamillion> vidd: no, roughly 500,000-800,000 jobs would be lost ... the stock market would crash, big business would completely halt as well as a substantial amount of government agencies

<cellofellow> exactly. maybe not recession depression

<vidd> how whould big buisness and gov agencies be affected?

<cellofellow> vidd: you know what they run on right?

<maxamillion> vidd: who's operating system do they all run that just all the suddon lost support?

<vidd> all ready released products

<JKnife> vidd: they would have to stop and retrain there workers

<maxamillion> vidd: what database does the stock market run on that all the suddon just lost support?

<vidd> ....red hat for the most part

<maxamillion> vidd: it would be a matter of time before something happened that an IT pro would have to call in about and there wouldn't be anyone to call

<cellofellow> nah, either a commercial unix or windows

<maxamillion> vidd: no, microsoft still controls 94% of the world's computing real estate

<JKnife> weee time to install xfce4 4.4.0_rc1

<cellofellow> JKnife: you on gentoo why not rc2?

<vidd> i need to restart x now to see if i broke printing....

<vidd> brb.

* cellofellow finally found a theme he likes

<maxamillion> redhat controls 80% of the worlds corporate linux real estate but its trivial to mircrosofts share ... and i know for a FACT that the new york stock exchange is powered by MicrosoftSQL

<maxamillion> yey cellofellow !!!

<maxamillion> ok, i am getting off work ... going home

<cellofellow> vidd's had problems with that printer I'd ditch it

<JKnife> cellofellow: dont wanna dig up the ebuilds =/

<maxamillion> <3 everyone!

<maxamillion> JKnife: why not just install xubuntu?

<JKnife> maxamillion: blah that takes too long =P

<maxamillion> lol, takes less time then compiling all this stuff

<cellofellow> lol sarcasm

<maxamillion> i'm outta here ... very tired, very ready to leave the office

<maxamillion> laters

<JKnife> =/

<JKnife> NO YOU CAN NOT GO

<JKnife> dang it

<cellofellow> vidd: what printer was that again?

<vidd> hp 3940

<vidd> deskjet

<cellofellow> maybe the hplip thing has something that can get it working. dunno never used it.

<vidd> its official....

<vidd> xfce brakes my cups

<vidd> gggrrrrr

<cellofellow> that's impossible

<vidd> brb again

<vidd> works in gnome, dont in xfce

<vidd> is that *&&&*& up or what?

* vidd installed xubuntu-desktop and left gnome

<vidd> started xubuntu printer broke

* vidd started gnome, printer works again

<JKnife> weeee found rc2 ebuilds

<vidd> anyone have ideas?

<cellofellow> vidd:

<cellofellow> ooops

<cellofellow> vidd: give me a minute I want to try something

<cellofellow> vidd: add this printer to your cups: ipp://69.71.163.183/printers/laser1

<cellofellow> and see if you can print to my printer

* cellofellow will close this port after test

<cellofellow> vidd: correction ipp://69.71.163.183:631/printers/laser1

<vidd> what is it (driver wise)?

<cellofellow> vidd: a brother hl-1240 but just use raw

<Jester45> ok i have ssh setup could i login on the same computer just to try it

<cellofellow> Jester45: yes it doesn't care

<Jester45> k

<cellofellow> my server is doing something

<vidd> cellofellow, is it printing?

<cellofellow> i think

<Jester45> something is good

<vidd> spitting out black smoke and flames is something Jester45 and that is NOT good

<vidd> =]

* cellofellow forgot to turn on the printer

<cellofellow> it's still good though don't worry

<vidd> my side says done

<cellofellow> vidd: I said use the raw driver

<Jester45> ok if i ssh ryan@d2-4.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net

<Jester45> nothing happens

<vidd> you get an error?

<cellofellow> vidd: the stuff at this end is "double drivered"

<vidd> hmmm

<Jester45> just new line

<cellofellow> you sent me drivered data, and the driver drove the data, which printed a bunch of gibberish

<cellofellow> vidd: just use the raw driver

<Jester45> but.. it printed

<cellofellow> yes

<Jester45> so one thing is working

<cellofellow> vidd: try again with the raw driver

<bokey> anyone here used ekiga ?

<vidd> from xfce?

<bokey> vidd# what do you mean ?

<vidd> ^^ for cellofellow

<bokey> vidd# ahh.. =)

<cellofellow> you use raw driver this time?

<cellofellow> it still did the same thing

<vidd> cellofellow, yes

<cellofellow> maybe the raw driver isn't working :/

<vidd> want me to try from xfce this time?

* cellofellow tests his machine to see

<cellofellow> sure

<Jester45> would anyopne like to explain how to use ssh for me?

<cellofellow> Jester45: well, in a terminal type ssh username@hostaddress

<vidd> client-error-bad-request still in xfce

<cellofellow> Jester45: add the -X option to make the thing forward X11

<cellofellow> vidd: strange

<Jester45> cellofellow: that just gives a newline without the user@computer thing

<Jester45> and if i type anything and press enter nothing happens

<cellofellow> Jester45: add it to the prompt

<vidd> all well on your side? cellofellow ?

<cellofellow> Jester45: what package did you install:?

<cellofellow> ?

<cellofellow> vidd: all good

<Jester45> cellofellow: im going to be testing this on the localmachine

<Jester45> wouldnt that give a loop

<cellofellow> Jester45: then just type ssh user@localhost

<vidd> it shouldnt

<cellofellow> Jester45: it opens a new login like a term-emulator

<Jester45> cellofellow: but it shows nothing

<cellofellow> no shell?

<vidd> like Jester45@127.0.0.1

<Jester45> i will try something

<cellofellow> type exit see what happens

<Jester45> nothing

<cellofellow> it didn't close the terminal?

<vidd> how do you do screenshots in xfce?

<cellofellow> vidd: use the screenshot panel applet

<cellofellow> that works best for me

<cellofellow> Jester45: I think it worked

<Jester45> i will linka screenie

<cellofellow> Jester45: use another machine to really test it

<Jester45> dont wanna

<Jester45> d2-4.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net is that a valid host name

<cellofellow> well, um, I dunno what to tell ya. ssh into another machine and ssh back?

* cellofellow will ping

<JKnife> nickcolor is a cool plugin for irssi =)

<cellofellow> Jester45: pings not returning :/ but it says your ip is 69.179.129.4

<vidd> cellofellow, you get dcc offer?

<cellofellow> vidd: what?

* vidd is trying to send you screenshot

<cellofellow> how do I accept the screeny thing?

<cellofellow> irssi

<vidd> ....no idea

<cellofellow> vidd: you have a jabber account?

<vidd> no...e-mail?...in private

<JKnife> cellofellow: /dcc get

<vidd> ill try again

<vidd> comming at you

<cellofellow> JKnife: um, not wuite working

<vidd> it timed out

<JKnife> =/

<vidd> working now

<cellofellow> where'd it go?

<JKnife> cellofellow: look in ~ or ~/.irssi

<JKnife> mine always goes into ~

<cellofellow> found it

<JKnife> k

<Jester45> OMG

<cellofellow> vidd: is this the server or the client?

<Jester45> 14mb jpg

<Jester45> goona size it down

<vidd> client

<cellofellow> vidd: hmm...

<cellofellow> vidd: using samba or ipp?

<vidd> the link said ipp

<cellofellow> vidd: also, what were you printing to me? Test Page would have worked

<Commander-Crowe> can i get Xubuntu to play something when I log in?

<vidd> never have issue sending test page....

<vidd> THAT works fine

<cellofellow> oh, ok.

* vidd just cant print anything USEFULL

<cellofellow> I think you got something wrong with xfce allright

<cellofellow> can you open up 631 and let me see If I can print to you like you did me?

* vidd is thinking the issue is with xprint

* vidd cant let ANYTHING in yet

<vidd> :(

<vidd> port 631 SHOULD be wide open

* Jester45 si starting to have all things with a x at the beginning besides xubutnu

<cellofellow> vidd: no port forwarding? you have to port forward 631 on your router to your server

<cellofellow> what's your external IP?

<vidd> even for a local print?

<cellofellow> no, just internet

<cellofellow> but local firewall like iptables needs 631 open

<Jester45> yes

<Jester45> w00t

<cellofellow> Jester45: ssh working?

<Jester45> 3429 emails

<Jester45> no

<vidd> where do i find my ip tables....assuming i have them?

* cellofellow has never had a mite of probles with ssh

<cellofellow> vidd: um.....

<cellofellow> !iptables

<ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).

<cellofellow> by default it runs but is all open

<Jester45> !report a typo

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about report a typo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<cellofellow> where?

<Jester45> o nevermind

<JKnife> lol

<Jester45> didnt read ubuntus at he front

<cellofellow> who maintains ubotu?

<Jester45> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o162/jester45_photos/sshtest.jpg

<crimsun> seveas does.

<cellofellow> vidd: router's external IP please?

<Jester45> my cluttered desktop

<crimsun> his client pinged out earlier

<JKnife> "Total size of downloads: 418,425 kB" <-- then i have to build it and it will be a bloated XFCE =/

<vidd> one sec

<JKnife> cellofellow: do a whois -_-

<Jester45> thats what ssh shows me

<JKnife> Jester45: in that screen shot why was my named clicked? =P

<vidd> cellofellow 72.86.133.87

<vidd> how do i edit iptables?

<Jester45> its been clicked senice i toold you that you where not in #gentoo

<Jester45> like 2 hours ago

<cellofellow> vidd: with firestarteer

<cellofellow> firestarter

<cellofellow> vidd: what's the printer called? on your server?

<JKnife> ohh lol

<Jester45> printing is over rated

<cellofellow> Jester45: maybe

<vidd> on minute

<cellofellow> but vidd has reports that need to print

<vidd> Deskjet-3940

<Jester45> thats what my sis haswindows for :)

* vidd 's KID has reports to print

<Jester45> vidd: tell him to bring computer to school :)

<Jester45> so anyone that looked at my screen can you tell me what is wrong with ssh

<vidd> SWEET>>>>IM OPEN FOR BUISNESS!!!!

<cellofellow> ok, one minute things are being slow

<vidd> ALL this time my issue was my linux had a built-in firewall....

* vidd feels SO STUPID

<cellofellow> vidd: I think you need to open the port on your router

<cellofellow> vidd: I can't get in

<Jester45> vidd: how do you dissable it

<vidd> Jester45, install then run firestarter

<cellofellow> Jester45: I think you just remove all mention of iptables in teh startup

<cellofellow> vidd: all that did was now give you control. it was running wide open (it think) before

<cellofellow> vidd: your router is blocking me

<vidd> no...i could not touch my apache server from the web b4

<cellofellow> vidd: go to portforward.com they have step-by-step instructions on individual routers

<cellofellow> vidd: you nned to forward port 80 for web, and 631 for ipp

<Jester45> can i just disable the iptables

<vidd> the PC housing the printer is in the DMZ....it is wide open to the internet

<cellofellow> Jester45: maybe

<Jester45> firestarted wants to install 28mb of eextras

<cellofellow> vidd: it's still blocking me

<cellofellow> ah, forget it

<cellofellow> just test it locally.

* cellofellow removes his printer that points to vidd.

* cellofellow and closes his ipp port I don't want a million people printing on my printer

<Jester45> lol

<JKnife> cellofellow: i want to print there =P

<Jester45> yes me to

<cellofellow> you could do it right now

<cellofellow> ipp is sort of like faxing it's cool

<Jester45> also if you get a page that says jester's then some under that

<Jester45> please mail it to me

<JKnife> lol

<vidd> sorry....the old lady forgot how to copy files from the flash card to the XP machine, and the XP machine wont print

<cellofel1ow> port is now closed

<JKnife> :(

<Jester45> whats ip passthrough

<cellofel1ow> Jester45: i think it's a computer that passes through the ip stuff and pretends not to be there.

<vidd> cellofel1ow, my whole system is wide open....

<cellofel1ow> could be wrong though

<Larry-AU> doing a min. install of 6.06 - got graphical login, but blank screen after login -- any ideas ??

<Jester45> ok

<cellofel1ow> vidd: it blocked me though. don't worry

<vidd> want ssh access?

<cellofel1ow> vidd: ok

<vidd> how do i set it up? just install ssh?

<cellofel1ow> vidd: yes

<cellofel1ow> then I need a user etc

<cellofel1ow> vidd: may have to turn it on after installing but that's no biggie

<cellofel1ow> can someone kick cellofellow so I can log back on as my normal nick?

<vidd> cellofel1ow, you have password on your name?

<cellofel1ow> brb

<cellofel1ow> is there an op here?

<vidd> cellofel1ow, can you private chat me?

<cellofel1ow> vidd: no, cause cellofellow is still logged on thought the client qqqqqqqqqqqqquit

<cellofel1ow> ooops

<vidd> no ops on....

<vidd> you have a password right?

<cellofel1ow> hmmph

<cellofel1ow> vidd: on the other nick

<cellofel1ow> vidd: not this

<cellofel1ow> that's why I need an op to kick cellofellow

<vidd> so /msg nickserv ghost cellofellow [password]

<cellofel1ow> brb, trying a different channel

*** cellofel1ow is now known as cellofellow

<vidd> TheSheep, is there an op on?

<cellofellow> am I cellofellow now?

<JKnife> cellofellow: /msg NickServ ghost cellofellow <password>

<vidd> yes

<cellofellow> TheSheep is one

<cellofellow> alreaddy did

<JKnife> no he isnt.. i do not think.. vidd: why?

<JKnife> http://www.linux.com/comments.pl?sid=37574&cid=92795 <-- SOOO true

<vidd> cellofellow, wanted an op to boot him JKnife

<JKnife> vidd: wouldn't do anything

<JKnife> as he is still connected to the server

<cellofellow> vidd: query openned

<vidd> he's good now

<JKnife> you know one thing STILL missing from Fedora? able to upgrade versions w/o getting new cds

<cellofellow> I think it's a package-system paradigm, not feature.

<JKnife> it is still poo

<cellofellow> yeah

<Jester45> its a was of bandwidth on fedoras part

<Jester45> becuase you have to dl a new system and all the packages but for ubuntu you only dl what you need

<cellofellow> yeah

<HeathenDan> what console web browser ships with xubuntu?

<cellofellow> none

<HeathenDan> odd, cause when i clicked on a link in xchat, it opened a console browser

<cellofellow> maybe it's lynx then

* cellofellow though I installed that myself

<cellofellow> thought

<HeathenDan> maybe it came with epiphany (which i installed last night)?

<cellofellow> dought it

<cellofellow> doubt

<HeathenDan> yeah

<HeathenDan> hmm, WWW-wo-Miru?

<bubba_jones> hello all.

<cellofellow> must have been installed by default.

<HeathenDan> wait, w3m?

<cellofellow> no idea

<bubba_jones> what python comes with xubuntu 6.10?

<cellofellow> !iptables

<ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).

<cellofellow> !ubugtu

<ubotu> ubugtu is an Ubuntu Bot. Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots - Please don't play with the bot in the main channel.

<xBun2usr> Hello !!! I just got all sorts of things working again in Xubuntu

<xBun2usr> its a great distro- ez, powerful, really kewl...... I just hope people keep making tools to make it easier

<xBun2usr> say, for instance, so that XServer can properly config itself for certain games

<xBun2usr> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiit- the 6.10 IS edgy>?

<xBun2usr> this box is up on edgy too! *Applauds* !!!! very nice. Not quite sure Id call it edgy, then, but this 6.1 is very nice.

<ellioTb> ho9lla holla

<ellioTb> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical : 439MB, 75.3% free] disk[Total : 19.23GB, 76.30% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M] sound[]

<ellioTb> this box is edgy too!

<vidd> xfprint dont work

<vidd> trying to print in mousepad fails

<xBun2usr> after i installed the supposed "686" kernal, GRUB had only added one saying 386 besides the 'Generic' one. So, I might be running 686 kernal? Im running A kernal, thats for sure. lol

<xBun2usr> i havent tried to print anything from linux yet

<ellioTb> i don't think i have ever printed from linux

<xBun2usr> I got to install Nexuiz, too!!!!! It was a tad laggy for me, but thats OK, still a blast & something Id like to help with

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Nexuiz is awesome.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> They've ditched the -686 kernel series for Edgy, iirc, since it was found to not actually offer much of a performance boost.

<xBun2usr> hey whats the version number about right here >>> 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]

<xBun2usr> ????? my 3Com is reporting bak that it is 'boomerang'. o_0

<cellofellow> xBun2usr: what?

<cellofellow> vidd: I closed the query

<cellofellow> well, ttfn

*** bintara is now known as B|nTaRa

<vidd> B|nTaRa, how goes it?

<B|nTaRa> Linux bbox 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:45:35 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

<B|nTaRa> :)

<B|nTaRa> success :)

<B|nTaRa> mp3 : success

<B|nTaRa> need to try few things :)

<vidd> i found out what the issue is with my printing

<vidd> xfprint does not work right

<B|nTaRa> whats the problem ?

<vidd> xfprint is the issue

<zenrox> use cups

<vidd> how do you change mousepad to use cups instead of xfprint?

<vidd> oh...wait...xfprint USES cups

<vidd> ellioTb, wb

<ellioTb> what up

<ellioTb> i think my desktop dissappeared

<ellioTb> there it is, had to run xfdesk, weird

<vidd> any idea why xfprint does not work by default?

<ellioTb> negative ghostrider

<ellioTb> ask your bro

<vidd> and how to MAKE it work?

<vidd> my bro wouldn't even know what xfprint was (or ghostrider for that matter)

<vidd> wanna check to see if you can see my server?

<ellioTb> see if you can see mine

<ellioTb> http://elliot.sexypenguins.com/

<vidd> nice

<vidd> http://vidd.homelinux.org

<vidd> any luck?

<ellioTb> nope

<vidd> hmmmmm

<vidd> why the heck can i see it and no-one else can

<vidd> hmmm....i didnt see a hit on my firewall either

<ellioTb> wierd

<ellioTb> Host vidd.homelinux.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

<vidd> D'OH...sorry... .net

<ellioTb> ahh

<ellioTb> vidd.homelinux.net has address 72.86.133.87

<ellioTb> its trying to connect

<ellioTb> ...

<vidd> still nothig?

<ellioTb> nope

<vidd> geez

<ellioTb> aight i am out, gluck

<vidd> im gone 2

*** atarinox is now known as pilibeen

<B|nTaRa> i just realise that im using AMD athlon 64

<B|nTaRa> :/

<ellioTb> nice

<B|nTaRa> but i installed xubuntu using x86 iso

<B|nTaRa> bintara@bbox:~$ uname -a

<B|nTaRa> Linux bbox 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:45:35 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

<B|nTaRa> :/

<B|nTaRa> should i reinstall xunbuntu using the correct ISO ?

<ellioTb> hrmmm, i dunno

<ellioTb> since everyone is kinda dead in here, ask in #ubuntu

<ellioTb> i would reinstall, but there might be a way to just change the kernel over?

<crimsun> not currently possible

<ellioTb> there is some1 who knows their stuff, hehe

<B|nTaRa> #ubuntu doesnt help

<crimsun> if you want native amd64, you'll need to reinstall (clean)

<ellioTb> thats what i figured, but didn't want to tell him to if there was an *easier* way

<crimsun> beware that amd64 doesn't have 1) Flash, 2) w32codecs for certain videos/audio

<ellioTb> even though the reinstall takes 10 mins

<B|nTaRa> well

<ellioTb> hrmmm.... can't connect to any websites, weak

<B|nTaRa> atm .. i can play songs / watch animes

<B|nTaRa> success on .avi / .mp4 / .mp3 / .mpg

<ellioTb> not being able to watch anime is a good thing

<ellioTb> heheheh

<ellioTb> vidd, whats up with yo site

<vidd> ellioTb, i see you been probing my ports

<vidd> i dont know....trying to figure it out

<ellioTb> yeah! i love it!

<ellioTb> trying to see if it lets anything in

<vidd> you get through at all?

<ellioTb> nope

<B|nTaRa> even .wmv is a success

<vidd> try now

<ellioTb> connecting.....

<ellioTb> doesnt look too promising

<ellioTb> doesn't dyndns cost money?

<vidd> no...its FREE....like beer

<ellioTb> really?

<ellioTb> i use the other one www.afraid.org

<vidd> for the low grade stuff

<ellioTb> i thnk its dyndns.org or something

<vidd> try just my ip address then

<ellioTb> k

<ellioTb> negative

<ellioTb> i like afraid.org cause of the funny domains you can get on

<vidd> i think it is my ISP

<vidd> i was doing some reading and looked up and saw my firewall going into convulsions

<vidd> then i read up on one of the ports....

<vidd> "root kits"

<vidd> so i blocked the ip address while i looked up the offender

<vidd> saw it was ellioTb so i opened you up

<ellioTb> lol

<ellioTb> just did an nmap

<ellioTb> to tell if it was just blocking 80 or all ports

<ellioTb> all ports for sure

<ellioTb> sorry, should have asked you first

<vidd> my firewall is set to only allow 80, 22, and 443

<vidd> which apparrently, my ISP is so kind as to block FOR me

<ellioTb> man, finally figured out why my open office doesn't work

<vidd> why?

<ellioTb> its a problem with ubuntu's packaged version

<vidd> i found out why my printer dont work

<ellioTb> its weird, just read about it in the openoffice forums

<ellioTb> why? not turned on

<vidd> xfprint is crap

<vidd> mousepad will not print....

<vidd> because it uses xfprint by default

<vidd> gedit will print cuzz it uses cups without going thru xfprint first

<B|nTaRa> which should i use ? default bittorent or bittornado or azuerues

<vidd> im off to bed

<ellioTb> B|nTaRa, i have always used azureus

<vidd> it is so scarry looking at all the hits on my firewall....

<ellioTb> i know, so many people just scan all the time

<ellioTb> its a joke

<vidd> im locking it down tight for the night

<ellioTb> i don't have anything blocked :(

<ellioTb> nmap me

<vidd> how?

<ellioTb> sudo apt-get install nmap

<ellioTb> then you can nmap people's ip's

<ellioTb> tells ya all the ports open, and what they are

<pilibeen> should i be installing a firewall in ubuntu?

<B|nTaRa> i already mounted all of my drives (ntfs)

<B|nTaRa> but i can only get read permission

<B|nTaRa> how i wanna get write/read permission ?

<ellioTb> yeah, you can only read them

<ellioTb> there is a tutorial somewhere on how to get read/write though

<ellioTb> i can find it for ya

<vidd> its NEVER a bad idea

<B|nTaRa> i want to save my anime on my anime hdd

<vidd> pilibeen, sudo apt-get firestarter

<ellioTb> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009

<B|nTaRa> thanks

<ellioTb> what does firestarter do, just block ports

<ellioTb> i just changed my ftp port, since thats what most ppl scan for

<vidd> blocks whatever you dont tell it to open....

<vidd> you can allow by service or by ip

<vidd> what scares me is i keep getting Samba hits from one of the computers on my home network....

<vidd> im the only one awake in the house

<vidd> and the hits are every 10 minutes

<vidd> like clockwork

<ellioTb> any xp machines

<vidd> ya

<ellioTb> bingo

<vidd> it's the kid's machine

<ellioTb> they do that "auto" share find thing

<ellioTb> you ever just gone to network places

<ellioTb> and seen shares listed there

<ellioTb> that you haven't been to yet

<ellioTb> how hard is firestarter to configure

* vidd considers locking port 138 139 and 445 at the router

<ellioTb> i guess my server is behind the router

<vidd> i figured it out in 5 minutes

<ellioTb> i could just allow 80 and ftp through

<vidd> yes

<ellioTb> intrusion events are kinda fun though

<ellioTb> get to see how many people scan ya

<vidd> you allow what ya want the look at the list in the morning

<vidd> i got 225 hits in the last hour

<vidd> but this machine is in front of the router's firewall

<vidd> the rest of my home network is behind it

<vidd> im off to bed

<vidd> ellioTb, you got firestarter up now?

<ellioTb> i think, my vnc server won't let me on, cause its not logged in

<ellioTb> and i don't feel like going and plugging the monitor and keyboard in

<ellioTb> can you setup autologin?

<vidd> so it strts on booty....

<vidd> i think so

<vidd> it installs into your system menu in xfce

<vidd> gaatta go

<ellioTb> peace

<pilibeen> ellioTb: would you know, i'm trying to figure out where to plug in this fix: "edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and pass "acpi=force" and "lapic" to the standard kernel as arguments."

<pilibeen> this was the example:

<pilibeen> title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-23-686

<pilibeen> root (hd0,0)

<pilibeen> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash acpi=force lapic

<pilibeen> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-23-686

<pilibeen> savedefault

<pilibeen> but i looked at the file and it seems like there's two entries which look identical

<vidd> ellioTb, i shut down my server box

<cellofellow> I've installed xubuntu-desktop on kubuntu. Is there a way to swap in GDM for KDM?

<cellofellow> And use Xubuntu usplash

<B|nTaRa> success

<B|nTaRa> hmm

<B|nTaRa> i still cant write to my ntfs drives

<B|nTaRa> :/

<B|nTaRa> i used ntfs-3g

<B|nTaRa> and also diskmounter

* cellofellow has no ntfs drives

<vidd> cellofellow, you want xubuntu usplash, gnome desktop, and kde apps?

<cellofellow> no, xubuntu desk and login and usplash, but keep kde anyways

<ellioTb> how do i change my dpi, i am on a notebook, and i think its set to 72

<vidd> remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash, kubuntu-default-settings,

<cellofellow> as of now my login and usplash is kubuntu

<cellofellow> vidd: ?

<ellioTb> brb

<vidd> two apps...that should fix it

<vidd> kubuntu-desktop will be removed automagikly

<vidd> if you re-install something, does it give you the default settings again?

<ellioTb> oh wow, just fixed my font hinting

<ellioTb> and DPI, looks amazing!

<ellioTb> now it looks like my screenshot

<ellioTb> dang, downloaded openoffice, and its all RPMs

<c00l2sv> hello

<c00l2sv> need some help

<c00l2sv> i've got an old pc

<c00l2sv> pI with 32mb of ram

<vidd> lol ellioTb

<c00l2sv> and not too much disck space

<vidd> alien it into .deb

<c00l2sv> do you think xubuntu will run on it?

<vidd> c00l2sv, it will be rough

<vidd> how much is "not much" disk space?

<c00l2sv> about 1-2gigs

<vidd> sorry to say, but you might have to go with DSL (damn small linux)

<c00l2sv> ok

<vidd> your running with half the minimum ram for xubuntu....

<vidd> and your hd is just about what xubuntu uses by default

<c00l2sv> may i ask you something more, an openoffice or abi text processors will run on a dsl?

<vidd> it comes with a text editor...but i can remember which one....

<vidd> it might be abi

<c00l2sv> ok..

<vidd> once the system is installe....

<vidd> you can gut it and install waht ya want

<c00l2sv> and, if i'll find somehow more hddspace... i can try the xubuntu?

<vidd> but if you dont have enough room to INSTALL in the first place...thats where you have issues

<c00l2sv> ok

<vidd> im more concerned with 32 meg of ram

<c00l2sv> i see

<vidd> that is HALF the bare minimum stated

<ellioTb> DSL is awsome

<ellioTb> i like DSL-N though, works with all my hardware

<vidd> ellioTb, see above....can he fit dsl?

<c00l2sv> ellioTb: i know , thx. i like it too, but i wanted something more eyecandy

<c00l2sv> :]

<vidd> im worried about ram

<c00l2sv> plus with a better text proccessor

<c00l2sv> the pc is in an office

<ellioTb> DSL = 50 megs

<ellioTb> DSL-N = 98megs

<vidd> c00l2sv, then just get the eye candy and the better txt editor!

<ellioTb> DSL-N took out some of the legacy support, so i would try em both

<ellioTb> check out puppy linux too

<vidd> he has 32 meg of ram...it gunna run?

<ellioTb> hrmmm

<crimsun> in text mode, sure

<c00l2sv> ok ellioTb: ill try looking for dsl, dsl-n, and puppy

<crimsun> 32 MB and X Windows don't mix

<ellioTb> it can run on a 486dx w/16megs of ram

<ellioTb> so yes

<c00l2sv> ok

<ellioTb> c00l2sv, all the dls are so small, so its really easy to test em

<c00l2sv> thanks much guys you helped me a lot

<ellioTb> no problem homie

<c00l2sv> take care

<ellioTb> err homeslice

<ellioTb> let us know how it works

<c00l2sv> ok ok

<c00l2sv> i'll be back ... :)

* vidd thinks c00l2sv is raiding his company's old win 3.1 machines from the recycling room

<vidd> or nt 2.2

<vidd> i think my WATCH has more then 32 meg of ram!

<vidd> night all

<vidd> for real

<Commander-Crowe> argh

<Commander-Crowe> I need to get another wireless card

<Commander-Crowe> any recomandations?

<Commander-Crowe> does anyone here have XGL/beryl/compiz working

<kalikiana> me! :)

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> which one and how was your method?

<kalikiana> I am using the built in Compositing that came with edgy.

<crimsun> (in which case you're using aiglx and neither beryl nor compiz)

<Commander-Crowe> well I have edgy

<Commander-Crowe> how do i turn it on?

<Zeqfreed> i'm trying to run xterm in Xnest and Xnest reports that the connection's rejected because no protocol was specified

<Zeqfreed> what's the problem?

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: I used the wiki BerylOnEdgy, but it depends on the gfx card

<Commander-Crowe> no protocal was specified

<Zeqfreed> how do i specify it?

<Commander-Crowe> I have GeForce 6600

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> don't know

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: I think this was what I used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: for nvidia-specifics you might ask on #ubuntu-xgl as I don't have one

<Majic> Ohh...I love Audacious.

<Majic> Oops...wrong channel.

<Majic> Erm....what are the specs needed for something like XGL or Beryl?

<kalikiana> Majic: You need an accelerated card

* Majic gets his car in the garage and prepares to hook up the NOS to his laptop. :p

<Majic> What do you mean by accelerated?

<kalikiana> Majic: Acceleration ofr graphics, like nvidia or ATI

<kalikiana> s/ofr/for

<Majic> Hmm....how do I find out which kind of card I have?

<kalikiana> Majic: glxinfo | grep vendor

<kalikiana> Majic: glxinfo | grep render

<Majic> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b

<Majic> server glx vendor string: SGI

<Majic> client glx vendor string: SGI

<Majic> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc

<Majic> I'm guessing it won't run on my computer. :p

<kalikiana> Majic: What does 'glxinfo | grep render' say?

<Commander-Crowe> I get a ton of error messages

<kalikiana> Majic: You might also try 'glxgears' which depends on acceleration.

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: What did you do?

<Majic> erm...glxgears opened a picture of some pretty spinning gears. :p

<Majic> also printed this: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b

<Commander-Crowe> glxinfo | grep render

<kalikiana> Majic: If it spins nicely that's a great sign!

<Majic> It's so fraking smooth.

<Majic> It spins real nice.

<Majic> So, if my driver says it can't support it. Yet it's doing it very well at the same time...COMPUTERS ARE A LIE!

<Majic> Or, this means I might be able to install it and I'm suddenly happier.

<Majic> Is Beryl the same as XGL?

<kalikiana> Majic: I do also have the warning, just ignore it.

<Majic> I'm using an Intel Celeron 2.4 Ghz processor. Is that about the same as you?

<kalikiana> Majic: XGL and AIGLX are technologies which you can use with a window manager like Beryl

<Majic> Oh....

<Majic> Do you have XGL installed?

<kalikiana> Majic: The processor should not matter, it's only about the graphics

<kalikiana> I think what I use is AIGLX which comes with Edgy

<Majic> yay! :p

<Majic> So now I should just try and install Beryl?

<kalikiana> Majic: You might use the wiki as there are some configuration hints :)

<Commander-Crowe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy

<Majic> hints are good? :p

<Commander-Crowe> that how I'ma doing it right now

<kalikiana> Majic: For me it worked perfectly

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: So it's workin for you?

<Majic> Thanks for the info kali, good luck to you Commander. :p

<Commander-Crowe> don't know

<Commander-Crowe> I have dial up so it's going slow

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: So still installing I assume?

<Commander-Crowe> yeah

<Commander-Crowe> downloading the nvidia stuff

<Majic> Okay, so how do I find out what my card is?

<Majic> I'm looking in device manager...

<Commander-Crowe> display adapters I think

<Majic> I see something listed under Integrated Graphics Device.

<Majic> It says Intel next to it...

<kalikiana> Majic: So that'll be it.

<Majic> So I go with the Intel instructions?

<kalikiana> Majic: Yep.

<Majic> Okay, I'm lucky...I think.

<Majic> Seems to be the most simple of all the instructions. :p

<Majic> You know what, just to challenge my computer...I'm gonna run the xglgears several times in the background while it's installing. :p

<Majic> Or maybe while I'm running it. :p

<kalikiana> Majic: Good luck I wish you now. :)

<Majic> ahahahha, I have it running ten times each in every desk space

<Majic> It's still downloading...but I'm getting that vertigo affect if I try to look at all of them at once. lol

<Majic> Oh, and they're all running really smoothly. So I have lots of hope. :p

<Majic> Are there anymore of those glx things?

<Majic> Besides gears? I'm bored and they're kind of cool.

<Majic> Uh oh...I can't find the xorg.conf file.

<Commander-Crowe> /etc/X11/xorg.conf

<Commander-Crowe> make sure you back it up

<Majic> Thanks. :p

<kalikiana> Majic: I recommend the various OpenGL screensavers. ;)

<Majic> heh

* Majic pokes around with his files.

<Majic> *shutdown -r PLANET_EARTH.sys*

<Majic> hee hee hee, I'm so glad I have the wrong syntax...that would have been awful. :p

<Majic> Like the "Big Bang". :p

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> I'm into a devine creator anyways

<Commander-Crowe> wow

<Commander-Crowe> I'm bored

<Majic> Okay, downloading Beryl....still...

<Commander-Crowe> HAHA

<Majic> I was downloading like 20 Mb of emails...so it might go faster now. ;p

<Commander-Crowe> downloading nvidia...still

<Commander-Crowe> hey

<kalikiana> screensavers... *harhar*

<Commander-Crowe> I installed a "3D desktop" thing from synaptics

<Commander-Crowe> how do i get it started

<kalikiana> desk3d or what?

<kalikiana> it's funny

<Majic> Might be in the Sessions manager...

<Commander-Crowe> hehj

<kalikiana> just type it into a terminal

<Commander-Crowe> I'll look

<kalikiana> either 'desk3d' or '3ddesk'

<Majic> *he types it in* "A young man died today....from massive 3rd degree burns caused by his video card..."

<Majic> hee hee hee

<Commander-Crowe> heh

<Commander-Crowe> need to install driver first

<Commander-Crowe> HAHAHAH

<kalikiana> *muhahaha*

<Majic> Okay, should be installed...I'm gonna try out beryl. Wich me luck. :p

<Majic> Wish*

<Commander-Crowe> ARGH

<Commander-Crowe> now I have to download 3 more mbs of stuff

<Majic> It worked. I have Beryl running. :p

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Majic> I absolutely hate the animation that displays the text to you when you open a menu or something.

<Commander-Crowe> nice

<Commander-Crowe> I can't wait

<Majic> It's nice. Really nice...

<Commander-Crowe> good

<Commander-Crowe> cuz I'm about 20 mins away from it

<Majic> Oh, so close.

<Majic> It's worth it...but some of the animations will annoy you.

<Commander-Crowe> ok brb

<Commander-Crowe> well it looks like another 5 MB which is 20 mins

<Majic> Naw...I would say, 12.

<Commander-Crowe> hm?

<Commander-Crowe> this is why Xubuntu needed to come with games

<Majic> YES!!! I turned off the ev0l animation that I hated. :p

<Majic> Oh, the first night I installed Xubuntu I downloaded the entire list they had on games. :p

<Commander-Crowe> yes well

<Commander-Crowe> I have dial up so...

<Majic> I recommend Planet Penguin Racer and SuperTux.

<Majic> I know, but if you have time...download those while you sleep. :p

<Majic> Planet Penguin Racer is really just TuxRacer. You might have heard of it...

<Majic> SuperTux is like Super Mario but a Penguin version.

<Majic> Both play very well and are quite addictive...

<Commander-Crowe> yeah

<Commander-Crowe> its in suse

<Commander-Crowe> I downloaded 3d chess but I can't seem to find it

<Majic> do whereis chess3d or 3dchess :p

<Commander-Crowe> I like Frozen bubble

<Majic> Never heard of that...

<Commander-Crowe> nope

<Commander-Crowe> haha I found it

<Commander-Crowe> and quake

<kalikiana> Go, SuperTux, Go! :)

<kalikiana> Majic: Tried Pingus?

<Commander-Crowe> I'm stuck at a part

<Commander-Crowe> Go to System->Preferences->Sessions, click the "Startup Programs" tab, click the "Add" button, and in the dialog that pops up put "beryl-manager" in the "Startup Command" text box.

<Commander-Crowe> whats the Xubuntu to that part?

<crimsun> Settings> Autostarted Applications> Add

<Majic> Yes, you type in beryl-manager once you click add.

<Majic> When you log out you'll log back in and you'll see beryl-manager start up. And then Beryl will be workig for you. :p

<Majic> Also, I have some advice.

<Commander-Crowe> um

<Commander-Crowe> nothing started

<Commander-Crowe> dangit

<Majic> Hmm?

<Majic> What did you do exactly?

<Commander-Crowe> Setting.Autostarted Applications>add

<Commander-Crowe> and did what you said

<Commander-Crowe> still nothing

<Majic> You have to log out first, then log back in.

<Commander-Crowe> hm?

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Majic> Like, log out of this session, then log back in.

<Majic> Wait.

<Majic> I have something to tell you.

<Majic> When you get it working...Open up Beryl Manager in settings and disable everything!

<Commander-Crowe> everything?

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Majic> Then enable them one by one so you know exactly what they do. I would keep Window Animations disabled because they tend to slow you down a lot.

<Majic> Just, enable them one by one so you know exactly what they do.

<Commander-Crowe> not unless you have a supergood card like me

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Majic> Hope it works. :p

<kalikiana> But wobbly can be annoying with the default settings...

<crimsun> I liked wobbly back in the day

<Commander-Crowe> nothing still

<crimsun> now I'm much too used to xfwm4's compositor to go anywhere else

<kalikiana> Try 'beryl-manager' in a terminal

<Majic> I didn't like woobly...

<kalikiana> crimsun: I'm still undecided to that, so changing from time to time :P

<kalikiana> Wobbly should be lessend, else it's to irritating

<crimsun> I can't afford compiz's/beryl's instability

<Majic> I almost froze with the Cube Desktop...heh

<kalikiana> crimsun: Yeah, that's why I'd like to see some enhancements/ speed improvement to xfwm4

<Majic> I still had the glxgears open. lol

<Majic> How's it coming, Commander?

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> something poped up

<Majic> Yay!

<Commander-Crowe> like a list thing

<Majic> 0.o

<irvin> DON'T use dist-upgrade/update-manager to upgrade! <-- so what's the solution here?

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: Does it wobble when you move windows?

<kalikiana> irvin: use a terminal

<Commander-Crowe> no

<irvin> why is the information inconsistent? www.xubuntu.org/get says it is still safe to use dist-upgrade

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: Try 'beryl-manager' in a terminal

<Commander-Crowe> I did

<Majic> Did anything happen?

<Commander-Crowe> a list tab pops up

<kalikiana> irvin: not for XUbunto Dapper/Edgy

<Majic> Oh....yeah, I tried it in the terminal and got the same. ;p

<irvin> kalikiana, ??

<Majic> Are any of your windows different, Commander?

<kalikiana> irvin: I don't know, but the GUI is said to be instable

<Commander-Crowe> nothing different

<Majic> Hmm.....

<Majic> Go through the installation steps again, make sure you set up your xorg.conf right.

<kalikiana> irvin: XUbuntu has some problem with GUI upgrades, but terminal should be okay

<irvin> update manager has bug #68027

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68027

<irvin> but dist-upgrade??

<Majic> 0.o

<kalikiana> irvin: you mean via apt-get? that will work

<Majic> The only thing I can see wrong with Beryl on Xubuntu...is you can't see your other work space icons while you're in just one of them.

<Majic> Like if you normally have 4 workspace icons, you only see the one you're working in.

<Majic> The rest just show as empty space.

<kalikiana> Majic: The pager can't recognize Beryl's desks, but there are four desktops

<Majic> Yeah.

<Majic> I should make it six for it's "cube". :p

<irvin> my point really is why the information regarding upgrading is inconsistent. the /topic here says don't use dist-upgrade/update-manager to upgrade but the xubuntu.org website says otherwise

<kalikiana> Yeah, cube works just fine.

<Commander-Crowe> still nothing

<kalikiana> irvin: Honestly I don't know who puts the content on the xubuntu website, but better trust us :)

<Majic> Okay, go to settings and open up the Sessions applet.

<Majic> You there?

<Commander-Crowe> yea

<Majic> Click on the StartUp Programs tab.

<irvin> kalikiana, are you saying not to trust the information on xubuntu website?

<Majic> Tell me if you see "beryl-manager" under Command

<Commander-Crowe> where?

<Majic> Under the StartUp Programs tab at the top.

<Commander-Crowe> I have it in autostarted applications

<kalikiana> irvin: I mean if you are in doubt better ask one of us, to be on the safe side. Generally the website is not bad.

<Majic> Okay, well...I'm working in the GNOME desktop environment...

<Majic> It might be different for Xfce.

<Commander-Crowe> I don't have gnome

<Commander-Crowe> I'm in Xfce

<Majic> Yeah, it should be in your AutoStarted Apps

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe: If Beryl is working 'beryl-manager' should do it within a running session.

<Commander-Crowe> its in ther

<Majic> Or wait, lemme switch over to Xfce real quick.

<Majic> brb

<irvin> kalikiana, i'm already on edgy. last time i looked at the topic only update-manager is listed, but today both dist-upgrade and update-manager is

<irvin> was there a recent bug filed against using dist-upgrade to upgrade?

<kalikiana> irvin: I do only know about what people here in the IRC said, and the update appeared to freeze before the end of many people.

<kalikiana> s/of/for

<irvin> hmm

<Majic> Ohh...I found a bug...

<Commander-Crowe> heh

<Majic> Beryl doesn't work on Xfce for some reason. I did the exact same things I did to set it up on GNOME...and it didn't work in XFCE.

<Commander-Crowe> still nothing

<Majic> It works on GNOME but no XFCE...

<Commander-Crowe> oh well then that solves that

<Majic> Download GNOME! :p

<Commander-Crowe> we'll see

<Majic> It's what reg Ubuntu gets...

<Commander-Crowe> it might take to long

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe, Majic: What is the error? It works with me indeed!

<Majic> Kali, do you use XFCE?

<kalikiana> Of course!

<kalikiana> This is #xubuntu after all.

<Commander-Crowe> haha

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Majic> Hmm, that's weird....where did you type in beryl-manager?

<Commander-Crowe> we're do I put the command to make the program start up?

<Majic> Cause that's the key right there...

<kalikiana> I can type 'beryl-manager' in a terminal to start it.

<Majic> I put it in under AutoStarted Apps in XFCE and it didn't work.

<kalikiana> I never cared about autorun.

<Majic> I did that in XFCE and it brough up the right-click list for the desktop.

<kalikiana> What does happen when you use beryl-manager directly?

<Majic> It starts up when you log in...

<Majic> It does that when I use GNOME.

<wingo_> hi

<Majic> hello

<kalikiana> Majic: Just type 'beryl-manager' in a terminal and tell me what's wrong.

<kalikiana> hi wingo_

<wingo_> i just recently updatet to edgy... now there is a trashcan... can i remove it somehow?

<Majic> Right click it and remove it from the panel?

<kalikiana> wingo_, you cannot disable that if you mean that

<wingo_> not possible Majic

<wingo_> why? its anoying :/

<kalikiana> wingo_, Removing from the panel should be possible. :)

<Majic> You can't disable Ubuntu from putting deleted items into the trash....but you can remove it from the panel.

<kalikiana> wingo_, You can hold Shift when you press 'Delete' for a file.

<wingo_> if i want to delete something it should die an imminent death ;)

<eliphas_> morning

<wingo_> hm kay

<Majic> Commander-Crowe: Download GNOME, it worked for me and i'll work for you. The truth will set you free! :p

<Majic> it'll*

<Majic> lol

<wingo_> uhm my english sucks

<kalikiana> what about beryl-manager?

<Commander-Crowe> I wish I could download gnome without downloading UBuntu

<Majic> Well, I typed "beryl-manager" into the terminal and it brought up the right click menu of that app.

<Majic> You don't have to download Ubuntu to get GNOME.

<Majic> You can download just the GNOME desktop environment from the Synaptic Package Manager.

<Commander-Crowe> HOLY CRAP

<Majic> I did it the second day.

<kalikiana> Majic: What about 'beryl' only?

<Commander-Crowe> I got 3 D desktop to work

<Commander-Crowe> its sweet

<Majic> 0.o

<kalikiana> yeah, desk3d is cool

<Majic> Someone's got something new to play with.

<Majic> I'll try beryl.

<kalikiana> I admit after two days I didn't use the 3ddesk any more

<Majic> Hmm, beryl seems to start it up.

<Majic> I'll try it in XFCE.

* kalikiana cheeers for Majic

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe, Try 'beryl' then.

<wingo_> the new firefox has now some fucked up font... webpages are okay but all the fonts in the menu are extremely big... does anyone know what i can do against this?

<Commander-Crowe> XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA

<Commander-Crowe> Nvidia Present

<Commander-Crowe> Relaunching beryl with __GL_YIELD="NOTHING"

<Commander-Crowe> XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA

<Commander-Crowe> Nvidia Present

<Commander-Crowe> beryl: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0

<Commander-Crowe> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0.0

<kalikiana> Commander-Crowe, Then do 'killall xfwm4 & beryl &'

<Commander-Crowe> I got it

<Commander-Crowe> hahah

<Commander-Crowe> sweet

* kalikiana cheers :)

<Commander-Crowe> its nice

<Commander-Crowe> HAHAHa

<kalikiana> Maybe you two were lacking the settings thingy?

<Commander-Crowe> OH CRAP

<Commander-Crowe> thats pwns VISTA

<kalikiana> :P

* kalikiana kicks vista with his foot

* Commander-Crowe kicks vista harder

* kalikiana stabs vista with a pencil

* kalikiana types 'fakeroot killall vista.exe'

<Commander-Crowe> well good night all

<Commander-Crowe> oh and thanks for thehelp

* kalikiana sings a song about xuby

<eliphas_> comparing vista and xubuntu, shows a lack of judgment

<kalikiana> eliphas_, I didn't mean to be serious. Even if you can compare them, it normally ends in flames anyway.

<eliphas_> lol yeah no worries i wasn't even refering to you but to Commander-Crowe

<Majic> Well, so far no luck...

<kalikiana> eliphas_, Oh, okay :)

<Majic> Where'd COmmander go?

<kalikiana> Majic: Tried 'beryl'?

<Majic> Yes.

<Majic> Remember? Just before I left.

<kalikiana> Commander started Beryl, enjoyed and went :P

<Majic> I think that command starts it.

<Majic> Oh...then why won't it work for me? :p

<kalikiana> I assume you two are missing the config app.

<Majic> I mean, it works in GNOME for me...but not in XFCE.

<Majic> heh

<kalikiana> Does 'beryl' also put up a menu?

<Majic> beryl-manager opens a rightclick menu for me.

<Majic> though if I use it as a startup command it starts the Beryl stuff. :p

<kalikiana> So what does 'killall xfwm4 & beryl &' do?

<eliphas_> how do i change the windows manager if i don't want to use gdm ?

<kalikiana> That worked for Commander.

<Majic> Hmm....

<Majic> I'll see.

<kalikiana> eliphas_, gdm is no window manager

<kalikiana> eliphas_, What do you exactly want?

<Majic> Well, killall beryl shut it all off. And then just "beryl" started it back up. :p

<eliphas_> yes i never remeber the windows manager and the engine stuff and that's too eaarly i habven't finish my coffee yet

<kalikiana> So it finally works?

<Majic> It's been working for me...in GNOME.

<eliphas_> i mean gdm use a lot of memory and i would to you something else

<Majic> It's never worked for me in XFCE.

<eliphas_> i know hard to explain

<Majic> Oh, did you want me to do that in XFCE?

<kalikiana> eliphas_, No problem. :) So gdm is the 'gnome display manager', is that what you dislike?

<kalikiana> Majic: yes

<eliphas_> yes

<Majic> Okay...I'll try. :p

<kalikiana> eliphas_, We are talkin about the login, right?

<eliphas_> there is gnome and gdm behind it right

<eliphas_> but i am using xfce but i think there are gdm running behind it on my config

<kalikiana> eliphas_, GDM doesn't use gnomelibs anymore these days

<kalikiana> eliphas_, But you could uninstall it

<Majic> Okay, it worked... :p

<Majic> I couldn't get it to start up Beryl on login though...

<Majic> I think Beryl works better on GNOME. So :P

<kalikiana> Majic: It works perfectly for me...

<Majic> Well aren't you little miss perfect?! :p

<Majic> I'm happy with what I have. It works perfectly on GNOME for me. :p

<Majic> I think I might download that 3D desktop thing he was talking about.

<Majic> Since I'm trying to melt my graphics card as it is...

<Majic> :p

<kalikiana> the desk3d is in the repo

<kalikiana> If you like Gnome, then stick with it :P

* kalikiana now declares the state of hostility

<Majic> heh

<Majic> Oh, umm...do you use Audacious?

<kalikiana> I did

<kalikiana> And it was extremely nice

<Majic> It's not seeing the CDs I insert...how do I get it to?

<kalikiana> But now I decided to prefer the mpd :)

<Majic> mpd?

<kalikiana> music player demon

<Majic> boo!

<kalikiana> :P

<Majic> Anyways, it's just not seeing the CDs I insert...help??

<kalikiana> Hm... not sure about CDs... I have most of my music on the hd

<Majic> Me too... :p

<kalikiana> Can't you mount the drive and browse to the folder?

<Majic> Yes.

<Majic> Er...no.

<Majic> I can't. lol

<Majic> I'm looking at their forums right now...kind of distracted, sorry.

<Majic> Anyways, it just doesn't show in the File Manager when I try to locate a file to play.

<kalikiana> Hm... tried gxine?

<kalikiana> If used sparely, gxine is usable. :P

* kalikiana found out why to you irssi from now on: http://irssi.org/themefiles/c0ders.png

<Majic> ahahah

<Majic> That looks so nice. :p

<kalikiana> I wish I could use it for XChat.

<stefg> Hi, has anyone managed to get last-exit to playback sound in xubuntu-edgy? The app starts, but never starts to receive a stream ...

* kalikiana has no idea about last-exit

<stefg> it's an last.fm-client based on gtk, instead of the original one based on qt

<Majic> Hmm.......okay, I found something better in Beryl. I like it when all my work spaces are on a plane and I can move in between them from side to side. :p

<kalikiana> Majik, so back in gnome, eh? :)

<kalikiana> stefg, Sorry, can't help there

<kalikiana> Majic: Ever seen this? But sit comfortably before you click ;) http://www.xpde.com/shots.php

<Majic> Hmm....looks like a badly cloned Windows XP GUI.

<TheSheep> http://www.msfirefox.com/

<Majic> Uh...it's so ugly...

<Majic> Don't really like that.

<Majic> Er...sorry...got kind of carried away there...

<Majic> It just kind of looked like the system I tried to get away from.

<somerville32> Hey Everyone :]

<kalikiana> hi TheSheep, someville32

<kalikiana> Oh, Firefox 2007 looks really uggly

<Majic> wtf? What's a Microsoft Logo doing on FireFox?

*** zen-afk is now known as zenrox

<B|nTaRa> woohooo

<B|nTaRa> mount with read/write NTFS success

<kalikiana> I would not have the courage to do that.

<kalikiana> Not with 50GB of data.

<TheSheep> well, windows is going to be trashed soon anyways :)

<B|nTaRa> kalikiana, i have 500GB data using BTFS

<B|nTaRa> NTFS*

<kalikiana> wow, I hope you know what you are oding.

<kalikiana> s/oding/doing

<B|nTaRa> kalikiana, i have to

<B|nTaRa> somehow , all my works still in ntfs drives

<B|nTaRa> just hope ntfs-3g wont do any harm/hurt my drives

<B|nTaRa> and my data

<kalikiana> That's why I won't do it.

<kalikiana> A crash of X doesn't hurt that much in comparison.

<kalikiana> I'd rather 'convert' with the help of a USB drive - but I don't have one.

<gnomefreak> B|nTaRa: there is a good chance it will mess something up. that is one reason we dont suggest writing to ntfs

<B|nTaRa> well gnomefreak : what should i do ? then :)

<kalikiana> Get yourself some USB drive, back it up and format. :)

<gnomefreak> B|nTaRa: dont write to ntfs. make a fat partition and use that between ntfs and ext3 :)

<kalikiana> gnomefreak: That's why I need to boot windows once a week. :'(

<B|nTaRa> if i want to paste more than 5 lines

<B|nTaRa> where to should i paste ?

<gnomefreak> ubuntu can write to vfat failr stably so if you have ntfs and ext make a fat partition and write to ntfs using that after moving what you want to add to the vfat

<gnomefreak> !pastebin | B|nTaRa

<ubotu> B|nTaRa: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)

<B|nTaRa> gnomefreak, see my drives

<B|nTaRa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30835/

* gnomefreak doesnt ever write to any win file systems no need to i do most my work in ubuntu and use a usb stick :)

<B|nTaRa> problem is .. i have around 600GB data in this box (was XP) before

<B|nTaRa> any idea how i can use em ?

<B|nTaRa> without ntfs-3g

<kalikiana> You might run a server if you have a second machine.

<Majic> Wow, I just found something fun to do with Beryl. :p

<Majic> I made it so my screens are rendered on the inside of the box...and then I just press Control and Alt then Click with the mouse to Drag myself to the next screen.

<Majic> It's like a movie theater... 0.o

<Majic> God I love this. The best part is: It doesn't slow down my machine!

<TheSheep> yawn

<kalikiana> Majic: I just tried it, it's funny. :P

<kalikiana> TheSheep, What's up?

* kalikiana would like to see xfce recognizing Beryl's desktops

<Majic> :p

* Majic didn't know Beryle had any desktops. :p

<Majic> But I got it set up just right. :p

<kalikiana> I set it to have four. :)

<Majic> I saved it with ths perfet theme and everything.

<Majic> Oh...I was thinkign desktop environments....not work spaces. ;p

<kalikiana> The best thing is that the 'grab' trick runs in realtime!

<kalikiana> Oh, sry. Of course I meant virutal desks.

<Majic> Oh, but seriously....I was watching XChat while I was zoomed out. Seeing people chat from afar. It was so kick ass!

<Majic> What's the grab trick?

<kalikiana> I mean the trick you just showed me.

<Majic> Oh... :p

<Majic> I LOVE THAT ONE!

<kalikiana> Moving the cube with the mouse

<Majic> It is the best.

<Majic> It's your own personal theater. Also, try being inside the cube. :p

<Majic> Make it render it around you...it's like....render inside cube or something in the settings.

<kalikiana> I wish xfwm was that fast with compositing.

<kalikiana> I'll try...

<Majic> Yeah...

<Majic> I'll find it.

<Majic> Okay, in the Beryl Manager you go to Desktop Cube and check Inside Cube

<Majic> Then try the grab trick and watch your knees go weak.

* kalikiana just fell from his chair

* kalikiana is just kidding. :P

<Majic> heh

<Majic> It is like, the coolest thign I've ever seen.

<kalikiana> I find amazing how fast it is.

<Majic> You know how when you're a kid you dream about computers that can do stuff like this?

<kalikiana> Yeah. :P

<Majic> I've never seen one single app anywhere, that's challenged my sense of what's possible like what Beryl has.

<kalikiana> Except desk3d ;)

<Majic> I can't believe they got everything to render so fast...

<Majic> Well, I haven't seen that yet. :p

<Majic> But I doubt I'll like it as much.

<Majic> Hmm, wonder if you can use Desk3D and Beryl at the same time. :p

<kalikiana> I assume you won't miss desk3d anymore since you have Beryl. :)

<Majic> Not sure yet. :p

<kalikiana> Ok, gotta go now, girlfriend is waiting.

<kalikiana> So laters!

<Majic> Later Kali. :p

<Majic> dude! I thought he was a girl!

<Majic> ahahah, I almost hit on him!

<Majic> lmfao

<Dekkard> any reports of the settings manager just crashing like crazy?

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<Legendre> Hi all. Has a fix been found for the PDF / PS printing problems in Edgy? So far, I think they only affect HP LaserJet printers using the older LJ2, LJ3, LJ4 drivers..

<icheyne> has anyone used Duplicity for backups?

<maxamillion> hello all

<TheSheep> maxamillion: hi

<maxamillion> hey TheSheep .... i scored the 3rd highest grade on my datastructures exam yesterday :)

<TheSheep> maxamillion: wow, congrats

<maxamillion> thankies

<maxamillion> TheSheep: kinda slow today ....

<TheSheep> maxamillion: I can't complain

<maxamillion> lol, i guess i would have to agree

<TheSheep> maxamillion: got some work done on the welcome centr

<TheSheep> e

<TheSheep> maxamillion: now downloading the livecd to make some screenshots

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<maxamillion> sweet

<TheSheep> eta 5h

<maxamillion> ouch

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<JKnife> ellioTb: ping?

<JKnife> anyone here?

<blahgeekblah> I have a laptop that i am running ubuntu on, and it runs fine just a little slow, thinking about trying Xubuntu, besides the desktop, what are some of the other differences between the two? if any?

<TheSheep> blahgeekblah: the different default set of applications

<TheSheep> blahgeekblah: but you can install xubuntu-desktop on your ubuntu and have both

<blahgeekblah> thanks for the info, might do that, that way I wont have to worry about formating and reinstalling

<JKnife> TheSheep: can i ask you a favor?

<TheSheep> JKnife: sure

<JKnife> i need you to see if my FTP is open to the outside world

<JKnife> just make a folder if you can

* Majic goes to play with something...and a bell.

<JKnife> TheSheep: is it?

<TheSheep> JKnife: I'd need to know the address :)

<ellioTb> JKnife, pong

<JKnife> i noticed it to you =/

<JKnife> ellioTb: n/m

<TheSheep> JKnife: do you have your nick registered?

<JKnife> TheSheep: -_- yes..

<ellioTb> not much, or nevermind

<JKnife> nevermind

<ellioTb> weak

<JKnife> ^_^

* JKnife is getting TheSheep todo it

<cyzie> anybody has xgl/compiz install properly in xubuntu? any workable quick howto?

<ellioTb> hrmm, not me sorry

<JKnife> cyzie: what video card and edgy or dapper?

* JKnife had beryl running on a nvidia in edgy

<cyzie> JKnife, nvidia geforce 5600xT , edgy

<JKnife> cyzie: AND YOU WANT TO USE XGL!?!?!?!

<JKnife> cyzie: goto the ubuntu forums and do a search for "nvidia +edgy +beryl"

<ellioTb> yeah, i used that thread on there, pretty easy cyzie

<cyzie> JKnife, what is wrong with that ?

<JKnife> cyzie: umm with nvidias new drivers there is no need for xgl

<cyzie> ellioTb, do u still keep that link ?

<cyzie> JKnife, ?

<JKnife> cyzie: just search the forums like i said

<ellioTb> nah, sorry

<cyzie> JKnife, ok

<cyzie> thanks

<ellioTb> it will be really easy to find

<JKnife> cyzie: with the new nvidia drivers you can run Compiz/Beryl in X11 without the need for Xgl

<ellioTb> www.ubuntuforums.org

<JKnife> there should only be one result

<ellioTb> i wish ubuntu's openoffice wasnt messed up

<cyzie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263851&highlight=nvidia+%2Bedgy+%2Bberyl

<JKnife> one sec

<JKnife> cyzie: yeah that is the one

<ellioTb> you hear about that jknife, how ubuntu's openoffice package is messed up

<ellioTb> cause it has been messin up on me for weeks now, went and found out on their forums

<nolimitsoya> how do i edit the submenu stuff i cant access through xfce-menueditor?

<JKnife> nope havn't heard

<JKnife> nolimitsoya: /usr/share/applications/

<JKnife> brb

<JKnife> back

<cellofellow> hi JKnife

<JKnife> :)

<cellofellow> what script do you use to auto identify in irssi?

<JKnife> nickident.pl

<cellofellow> ok

<cellofellow> that's not on the irssi site

<cellofellow> :/

<JKnife> =|

<JKnife> uhmm

<JKnife> one sec then

* JKnife looks

<cellofellow> just dcc it me :)

<JKnife> no

<cellofellow> it has your password in it?

* JKnife doesn't like dccing

<JKnife> it is more then one file =/

<cellofellow> oh

<cellofellow> I tried nickserv.pl but can't get it working

<JKnife> =/

<ellioTb> how do you turn off the annoying screensaver password when you close a notebook

<JKnife> /nickserv addnet irc.freenode.net NickServ@*

<JKnife> wait

<JKnife> i think the server has to be added to irssi

<cellofellow> oh, that's what's wrong

<cellofellow> how do I do it?

<JKnife> edit ~/.irssi/config

<cellofellow> and...?

<JKnife> read the man page =) i can not remeber off the top of my head

<cellofellow> ok

<ellioTb> anyone know how to disable screenlock when i close my notebook

<ellioTb> makes me NUTS

<cellofellow> um, you can set xscreensaver to only turn on the screensaver, not lock, after a certain time and then lock later.

<cellofellow> dunno if that'll work though

<ellioTb> nope

<ellioTb> its disabled for that

<ellioTb> its something about closing

<JKnife> ellioTb: umm... it is a Xubuntu feature XD

<ellioTb> nice

* JKnife shrugs

* TheSheep just discovered xfce4-popup-menu

<ellioTb> whats that

<JKnife> TheSheep: lol

<JKnife> ellioTb: run it XD

<ellioTb> i did

<JKnife> =/ why does the desktop cd make me reformat before i can install??

<ellioTb> it shouldn't

<ellioTb> you can't uncheck it?

<JKnife> i do..

<JKnife> but it says that it has to reformat /

<TheSheep> JKnife: maybe you changed filesystem?

<TheSheep> type

<JKnife> TheSheep: nope

* JKnife shrugs

* JKnife stayed with ext3

<TheSheep> how do I force regenrating the menu?

<JKnife> TheSheep: edit menu.. change a little thing and save

<TheSheep> nope

<TheSheep> I mean the included part

<ellioTb> JKnife, nmap me and see which ports i should close

<ellioTb> oh yeah, and can you auto-login? cause on my server i can't vnc to it till its logged in

<ellioTb> and its annoying to have to plug in the monitor and keyboard just to do that

<JKnife> TheSheep: =/ that is how i do it

<TheSheep> ok, found it, it's refreshed automagically

<JKnife> magically?

<JKnife> :)

<JKnife> it is like a elfs and wizards kinnda thing?

* TheSheep nods

<TheSheep> JKnife: and gnomes

<ellioTb> speaking of gnomes, autologin?

<JKnife> ellioTb: gdmsetup

<JKnife> TheSheep: ahh ok

<ellioTb> JKnife, thanx, you nmap me yet, figured u would be all over that

<JKnife> nope

* JKnife at this point doesn't have it installed

<JKnife> wait i think i do

<ellioTb> woohoo

<JKnife> I DO

<ellioTb> btw, my ftp is on port 69, so if you get a "tftp" port open on your scan, its that

<JKnife> 443, 80, 22, 3306, 6000, 69, 2049, 111, 962

<JKnife> and somemore

<JKnife> ssh is OPEN

<JKnife> 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 4.3p2 Debian-5ubuntu1 (protocol 2.0)

<cellofellow> JKnife: on sheildsUP?

<cellofellow> sometimes things say they aren't blocked but are

<cellofellow> nt

<cellofellow> oops

<JKnife> cellofellow: -_- was talking to ellioTb

<ellioTb> yeah, i use ssh

* cellofellow is eating shoes

<cellofellow> aka foot in mouth

<TheSheep> this is silly

<ellioTb> sup cellofellow

<JKnife> TheSheep: =?

<cellofellow> ellioTb: hello

<TheSheep> I'm setting up a box for my girlfriend

<TheSheep> and there is Heroes3

<TheSheep> it runs fullscreen

<JKnife> and?

<TheSheep> but the panels keep showing

<JKnife> ohh

<JKnife> turn on autohide =)

<ellioTb> brb

<TheSheep> making it practically impossible to play

<TheSheep> JKnife: that's not an option

<JKnife> ellioTb: k

<JKnife> for xfce4 panel?

<crimsun> 4.4 RC2 in Feisty.

<TheSheep> JKnife: I want it to be usable

<JKnife> crimsun: ^_^

<cellofellow> Feisy hasn't even had an alpha release yet right?

<crimsun> nope.

<JKnife> cellofellow: =/ nope

<crimsun> I dist-upgraded three hours ago. It runs fine. DO NOT DO SO YOURSELF.

<cellofellow> And what about Feisty?

<cellofellow> crimsun: have FUN

<TheSheep> :P

* TheSheep dist-upgrades

<JKnife> crimsun: :)

<JKnife> TheSheep: lol

* cellofellow wonders if there'll ever be a Proud Penguin

* JKnife shrugs

<cellofellow> when Ubuntu is more popular than Windows ha ha!

<JKnife> cellofellow: it is getting there =/

<cellofellow> JKnife: google trends it's beat Mac OS X

<TheSheep> crimsun: it won't install, missing dependencies :(

<cellofellow> JKnife: but not quite yet

<crimsun> TheSheep: toldya not to try it.

<JKnife> TheSheep: haha

<TheSheep> ah, found it :)

<TheSheep> here I come

<cellofellow> http://www.google.com/trends?q=Ubuntu%2C+Fedora%2C+Debian%2C+Mac+OS%2C

<cellofellow> see the chart

<TheSheep> any ideas aboy the panel in fullscreen games?

<ellioTb> man, sometimes i feel like this notebook is way too slow for a 2.2ghz

<ellioTb> i accidentaly booted to osx i have on here, and it seemed faster :O

<cellofellow> TheSheep: use fluxbox? you want all the power you can get with games

<ellioTb> wtf, unexpect EOF in the 2nd openoffice tar i have dl'ed

<TheSheep> cellofellow: if it was for *me*, I do that

<JKnife> TheSheep: umm does it do it in gnome?

<TheSheep> JKnife: I won't be installing gnome on a p90

<JKnife> o.O

<JKnife> fvwm95?

<TheSheep> xfce runs fine

<ellioTb> nice

<slow-motion> hallo

<ellioTb> what is xfdesktops deal?

<ellioTb> keeps crashing on both my comps

<TheSheep> ellioTb: do you have desktop icons?

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<ellioTb> i do when its not crashed, hehe

<TheSheep> ellioTb: how large?

<ellioTb> what do you mean

<Commander-Crowe> XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA

<Commander-Crowe> Nvidia Present

<Commander-Crowe> Relaunching beryl with __GL_YIELD="NOTHING"

<Commander-Crowe> XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA

<Commander-Crowe> Nvidia Present

<Commander-Crowe> beryl: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0

<Commander-Crowe> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0.0

<Commander-Crowe> thomas@general:~$ killall beryl

<Commander-Crowe> beryl: no process killed

<ellioTb> ahhhhhh

<Commander-Crowe> I need the command

<Commander-Crowe> to kill it

<TheSheep> ellioTb: largen than 48x48 is unstable

<ellioTb> TheSheep, its just a directory on there, then my CD icon

<Commander-Crowe> help?

<TheSheep> Commander-Crowe: try killall xfwm4

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<Commander-Crowe> it works

<Commander-Crowe> um

<Commander-Crowe> the close botton isn't there anymore

<Commander-Crowe> uh oh

<cbgb> hi *, is anyone out there with lirc knowledge?

<k^^> I'm looking for a lightweight terminal that can switch encoding. Any suggestions? konsole for kde can but that's 40-something MB to use that.

<maxamillion> hello all

<maxamillion> gotta go to class ... bbl

<t0taln00b> hey all :)

<k^^> nvm

<t0taln00b> gyus do u know what a file or a folder is responsible for xfce menu?

<t0taln00b> i mean when u right click on the desktop u see a menu. that's the menu i wanna edit by hand :)

<t0taln00b> coz i wanna cp it over to my other system instead of editing once again using xfce-menu-editor

<Commander-Crowe> t0taln00b look for menu.xml

<t0taln00b> thx

<t0taln00b> :)

<MattJ> http://getjabber.no-ip.info/the_mice_on_it_4.png

<cbgb> hi *, is anyone out there with lirc knowledge?

<cellofellow> MattJ: hey, cool, you used my water idea.

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<MattJ> :)

<MattJ> Now I'm no sure if it looks odd that one of the mice appears to be walking on water

<MattJ> :P

<cellofellow> That's what my kid bro said

<MattJ> :D

<MattJ> Tell him he's paddling ^^

<cellofellow> ok

<MattJ> I could add a sail on top :D

<MattJ> and give Charlie mouse a pirate hat :P

<cellofellow> lol

<cellofellow> My little bro likes blender. Send him some tips ;)

<cellofellow> he's right here

<cellofellow> or one little word of advice

<cellofellow> :-)

<cellofellow> never mind he left

<slow-motion> bye

<cellofellow> anyone know if it's possible to have beagled index irssi logs?

<cellofellow> hello?

<cellofellow> anybody know if I can index irssi logs with beagled?

<MattJ> cellofellow: Sorry, I was afk

<MattJ> Tell him I'm still a newbie at blender anyway :)

<cellofellow> pk

<cellofellow> pk

<cellofellow> ok

<MattJ> :D

<Commander-Crowe> I want to add a pic to my boot loader as a background...how?

<cellofellow> usplash?

<cellofellow> or grub?

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: splash:

<Commander-Crowe> I tihnk I have to convert it to a certain file type and then put it in a dir

<Commander-Crowe> GRUB

<Commander-Crowe> not splash

<cellofellow> one second I got something like that

<JKnife> Commander-Crowe: use "splash:(hdX:#)/path/to/splash"

<cellofellow> gzipped xpm's are in my /boot/grub/splashimages dir and the splashimage option is in menu.lst

<Commander-Crowe> ok

<cellofellow> splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splashimages/image.xpm.gz

<atarinox> what's the most reliable way to upgrade xubuntu?

<atarinox> modifying .source lists?

<maxamillion> atarinox: yes

<JKnife> no

<maxamillion> JKnife: why no?

<JKnife> fresh installs of the latest version

<atarinox> ohhh really?

<JKnife> :)

<maxamillion> well ... a fresh install != upgrade

<JKnife> maxamillion: if they format and install a newer version it is both a fresh install +upgrade =)

<atarinox> id be fine with edgy if i didnt have this shutdown problem

<atarinox> think it's something to do with my older hardware

<atarinox> err...fine with dapper

<JKnife> shutdown problem?

<malnilion> Okay, I'm having trouble with some WMV videos.

<JKnife> -_-

<atarinox> yeah when i try to shutdown through xfce, it drops me to a terminal login screen where i can't type anything

<JKnife> there is your problem

<JKnife> atarinox: uhmm

<malnilion> I'm trying to play videos online and I have no audio

<JKnife> it is prob not loading the splash..

<JKnife> but has shutdown and didn't load the splash or auto powered off

<JKnife> ^_^ my XFire hat came today

<Majic> Jknife? Do you use Audacious for playing music?

<JKnife> no.. i use a cd player

<Majic> I'm having trouble with it and since you always seem to knwo how to fix things, I thought I'd ask you how to install it's plugins.

* JKnife prefers the AM/FM/CD Player

* maxamillion prefers xmms+streamtuner for netradio

<JKnife> maxamillion: well i also do not have a sound card =P

<Majic> Does anyone use Audacious here?

<malnilion> You have the audacity to ask such a question? :P

<Majic> Was that a pun? I think Audacity is a prog.

<maxamillion> JKnife: me either ... onboard ;)

* JKnife doesn't even have one of those =/

<maxamillion> audacity is a program

<malnilion> I dunno, it was a crude attempt. Anyway, I don't use Audacious :/

* maxamillion feels sorry for JKnife

<JKnife> maxamillion: :)

<JKnife> i can still watch subbed anime

<maxamillion> this is true

<malnilion> Okay, I figured out what my problem was.

<malnilion> I was looking at videos in two different tabs in firefox and one was taking over the audio output.

<maxamillion> malnilion: it _should_ give audio stream to the tab in focus, but i don't think it actually does

<Majic> heh

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<SportChick> hehe

<SportChick> I am onnected on my phone.

<SportChick> signal goes in & out

<JKnife> o.O that sucks

<zerosmoke> anybody run continuum here?

<zerosmoke> lol

<Majic> heh

<maxamillion> what is continuum?

<zerosmoke> subspace

<maxamillion> interesting

<zerosmoke> massively multiplayer online game

<zerosmoke> nobody?

<zerosmoke> darn

<zerosmoke> it "should work" but i keep getting the 3d errors in terminal when i try to run wine and continuum

<maxamillion> zerosmoke: are you running wine with the opengl flags for the 3d emulation?

<maxamillion> errr... i guess it would be 3d translation

<zerosmoke> i guess so...i dunno

<zerosmoke> but i keep getting the 3d claims not to support something about gl library and 0x42

<maxamillion> wine -opengl whatever.exe

<maxamillion> iirc, that is the command

<maxamillion> i dunno ... i'm on amd64, haven't touched wine in a couple years

<zerosmoke> wondering if it would be easier to use vmware to run it

<maxamillion> probably

<zerosmoke> thinking i should because i need a few other programs to run which need windows...if i don't want to do some serious other configuring

<maxamillion> if you machine is fast enough, run qemu and install windows virtually

<zerosmoke> still looking for vmware for linux...they seem to have hidden it somewhere

<zerosmoke> 128 ram

<maxamillion> oh ouch

<zerosmoke> i think i can still vmware with win2k though

<maxamillion> win2k > winXP

<D13GU> hi all!!

<D13GU> how to install a new gtk theme on xfce 4.4 ?

<D13GU> hello!

<Majic> heh

<superkirbyartist> Sorry apokryphos but if I can't apologise THAT IS NOT HUMAN!

<superkirbyartist> I would, but all you do is BAN ME everywhere?

<superkirbyartist> So how?

<superkirbyartist> How will I change?

<nwbreneman> what's the best option for connecting to ftp servers in xubuntu?

<superkirbyartist> Can you explain?

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<MattJ> nwbreneman: Probably installing gFTP

<pbx> Hi gang

<nwbreneman> MattJ: thank you

<MattJ> Hi pbx

<MattJ> np nwbreneman :)

<pbx> What's the easiest way to install Opera on vanilla Xubuntu?

<cellofellow> pbx: the commercial repo?

<crimsun> enable dapper-commercial and install opera

<pbx> I'm running edgy actually, but either way my next dumb question is, how do I "enable dapper-commercial"?

<pbx> (or edgy-commercial as the case may be)

<ddh__> hi

<pbx> sorry, accidentally killed Gaim there

<ddh__> i am trying to setup my gameport for about 3 hours now... and totally stuck

<MattJ> p$ df -h /home

<MattJ> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

<MattJ> /dev/hdb7 1.9G 1.8G 35M 99% /home

<MattJ> :/

<JKnife> o.O

<pbx> So I added this to my /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu edgy-commercial main" but I'm not finding opera via apt-cache search... Is this where I should just stop trying to use the commandline and use synaptic or whatever?

<JKnife> pbx: opera is not in the edgy one

<MattJ> pbx: Did you apt-get update?

<MattJ> Ah

<JKnife> get it from opera.com

<JKnife> it has a edgy .deb of the latest version

<pbx> JKnife: I've never actually dealt with .deb files directly. I just dpkg -i whatever after downloading?

<pbx> Opera's /download page only shows versions up to dapper...

<JKnife> yes

<JKnife> well sudo dpkg -i <pkg>

<pbx> JKnife: Do you know where I can find this edgy .deb you spoke of?

<JKnife> pbx: opera.com download section

<PuMpErNiCkLe> I don't think it has an edgy .deb, but you can use the dapper one.

<pbx> OK, thanks.

<JKnife> o.O restorcon does EVERY file on my hd?!

<JKnife> ohh well it finished

<pbx> While that's downloading, I have a question for anybody familiar with LaunchBar and Expose on the Mac. Are there equivalents suitable for use under Xubuntu?

<JKnife> opps

<JKnife> pbx: beryl or compiz for expose

<JKnife> and LaunchBar you can set up xfce4-panel todo it

<malnilion> Heh, I haven't had beryl working for a while now.

<pbx> JKnife: Cool. Where in the panel do I look? What's it called?

<MattJ> ~$ df -h /home

<MattJ> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

<MattJ> /dev/hdb7 1.9G 1.1G 708M 61% /home

<MattJ> Woohoo :)

<MattJ> 'twas the mice

<MattJ> :P

<JKnife> pbx: right click on the panel and do customize panel and resize it, then right click on it again and do add item, then chose launcher

<JKnife> pbx: if you want it more like OSX i would suggest using version 4.2 of XFCE =/

<JKnife> or at least version 4.2 of xfce4-panel and xftaskbar4

<pbx> Interesting, thanks. Succeeded in getting Opera from dapper-commercial. At least it's downloading...

<JKnife> =/

<pbx> I'm running xfce 4.4 beta2 according to the about box. Vanilla Xubuntu 6.10

<JKnife> yeah

<t0taln00b> bye all :)

<t0taln00b> gotta go

<pbx> Launcher's nothing like Launchbar unfortunately :(

<JKnife> :( you COULD try engage.. it is a e17 app.. and is kinnda hard to set up.. but is it "more like" the launchbar

<JKnife> repos for it are at edevelop.org

<JKnife> OMG that is SO FREAKING cool

<crimsun> pbx: the about box lies

<crimsun> pbx: it's 4.4 RC1 + svn

* JKnife just used irssi's /upgrade

<pbx> JKnife: Thanks. Opera's running now anyway! Nice and fast.

<JKnife> opera > firefox

<malnilion> Yeah, Opera's a nice browser.

<JKnife> sad but it is true

<crimsun> if it didn't make me drag in Qt, I'd use it

* malnilion thinks he has QT

<malnilion> er, Qt

<pbx> crimsun: Interesting. I didn't feel a thing :)

<JKnife> crimsun: there are staticed linked versions

<pbx> OMG I have to shut off these smiley icons

<crimsun> the statically linked versions aren't any better

<crimsun> I'm still tossing Qt into memory

<JKnife> but saves HD space =P

<pbx> crimsun: What browser do you use?

<crimsun> a negligible amount

<JKnife> and i have always found that staticed linked programs are faster then ones that are shared =/

<crimsun> pbx: w3m, elinks, lynx, galeon, IE, Opera, whatever I need to

* JKnife has ran IE in wine =)

<malnilion> Are they working on an Opera 10?

* JKnife shrugs

<crimsun> probably

<JKnife> or 9.03

<JKnife> what will firefox 3.0 bring in? and they are moving really fast with it

<malnilion> Hmmm, it's been a while since I've used Opera.

<malnilion> Whoah, the menus are fugly, lol.

<JKnife> =/

<JKnife> use a different theme =P

<pbx> Opera does so much less disk churn than Firefox my whole house is quieter

<malnilion> Well...the menus have nothing to do with the skin apparently...

<JKnife> malnilion: could have told ya that =/

<malnilion> I just have this nasty cornflowerish color.

<malnilion> Icky.

<malnilion> Might look good in KDE, but in Xfce? No.

<pbx> OK, this crappy old Inspiron is now turning into a halfway decent computer thanks to Xubuntu.

<cellofellow> malnilion: what does?

<pbx> Phear my CELERON!

<malnilion> Opera.

<malnilion> Specifically Opera's menus.

<JKnife> malnilion: use the xfce-kde theme =P

<cellofellow> pbx: fear my PIII Katmai!

<malnilion> JKnife, that's not the problem! :)

<JKnife> pbx: FEAR MY AMD K6-2/333mHz!!!

<malnilion> Opera's menu looks like Windows 9x with a bluish cornflowerish color. Fugly.

<JKnife> then go back to the leaking firefox =/

<malnilion> Yep :)

<cellofellow> is galeon a gnome app or standalone?

<Commander-Crowe> how do I add a games section to the xfce menu?\

<JKnife> cellofellow: gnome

<cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: install a game?

<pbx> And Gecko

* cellofellow likes Gecko

<Commander-Crowe> cellofellow I have but it still doesn't show up

<JKnife> pbx: mozilla/firefox is a gecko =/

* MattJ likes Gecko

* MattJ hates Firefox

<cellofellow> A Mozilla is a big lizard, gecko is a little lizard, stripped-down mozilla

<MattJ> dilemma

<pbx> I know -- that's why I don't consider Galeon to be much of an alternative

<pbx> I like Gecko, but it's a bit of a beast

* cellofellow uses K-Meleon on windows

* MattJ too!

<pbx> I'm surprised there aren't any non-KDE browsers based on KHTML (besides Safari :)

<JKnife> khtml is the only good thing to come outta KDE =/ well that is IMHO

<pbx> JKnife: I like their little multi-clipboard manager...

<JKnife> =/

* JKnife copis and past via middle mouse click

* MattJ too

<JKnife> copies*

<pbx> JKnife: And I like the network transparency, e.g. SFTP from a regular file dialog

<JKnife> =/ IE has that

<pbx> JKnife, MattJ: but how do you copy three non-contiguous bits from one app, then switch to another app and paste them?

*** SportChick is now known as LagChick

<JKnife> pbx: one at a time

<JKnife> LagChick: =/

<JKnife> hold your cell phone up and hop around.. should fix the signal

<LagChick> I'm in the mountains now

<LagChick> lagggggggy

<JKnife> lol

<cellofellow> pbx: network transparency is awesome. X over SSH, CUPS, fish:// /sshfs. it's sweet

<cellofellow> my, qemu is slow. I know i've said that and I know that all emulation is slow, but I say it again. SLOW

<JKnife> cellofellow: try this... qemu inside of cygwin inside wine inside of cygwin inside of wine

<pbx> cellofellow: Yeah. It kills me that Apple hasn't done shit with that after all these years. "Look, we have read-only FTP in the Finder!"

* pbx realizes he has outed himself

<JKnife> !language

<cellofellow> pbx: gives linux another one-up over proprietary os's.

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