<popey> and so to bed

<popey> nn mice on the mouse organ

<popey> bagpus is sleepy

<X3N> The life span of CDs is a bit conserning

<X3N> there seems to be a real gap in the market for archivable digital media

<grifferz> X3N: http://www.longserver.org/

<X3N> ok...

<jonasan> ive updated my nvidia driver to 9629 but it does not work with my card. does anyone know how to downgrade to 9626?

<kikiwitch> hi

* kikiwitch has put an irc client on her phone and is in bed =)

*** Adam_Screen is now known as AdamBagnall

<AdamBagnall> Morning all

<mrben> morning all

*** rachel_ is now known as kinkiwitch

<GazzaK> been out driving yet kikiwitch

<kinkiwitch> nope

<kinkiwitch> going out tonight or tommorrow

<kinkiwitch> i still cant believe it

<GazzaK> yay

<GazzaK> bought the car yet?

<GazzaK> my god, our server maintenance company sent a poor engineer from cambridge to portsmouth, thats like five hours driving away

*** kinkiwitch is now known as KikiWitch

<KikiWitch> sucks to be them

<GazzaK> yeah, I used to be a field service engineer, and that why I gave it up, too much stress and not enough money

<GazzaK> I think it is wrong - this poor guy has to drive a total of ten hours, plus do a load of work in the middle

<GazzaK> that should be illegal

<KikiWitch> their are laws behind it

<KikiWitch> im not sure what they are

<KikiWitch> but there should be things said that if youcant get home before a certain time

<KikiWitch> you are to stay in a hotel

<KikiWitch> and have dinner

<KikiWitch> at the companys expense

<KikiWitch> I might borrow my other halfs car tonight

<KikiWitch> drive to dominos

<KikiWitch> and get hima pizza as a surprise

<KikiWitch> he's been v stressed lately

<popey> morning all

* KikiWitch huggles popey

<KikiWitch> Morning

<GazzaK> hey popey

<GazzaK> pizza, where

<KikiWitch> no where near your grubey hands

<GazzaK> :'(

<GazzaK> I'm so hungry

<GazzaK> starving

* GazzaK drools at the thought of pizza

<KikiWitch> geeks

<KikiWitch> i donno

<KikiWitch> Hmmm#]

<KikiWitch> I really want to loose this client

<KikiWitch> I don't know why

<KikiWitch> I just don't like them :)

<GazzaK> client?

<popey> s/client/customer

<GazzaK> whats wrong with the client?

<KikiWitch> I just don't like them

<KikiWitch> popey: and what is the difference between a client and a customer :)

<GazzaK> is it bad to have a totally open wifi network?

<GazzaK> no difference, it's just words

<KikiWitch> GazzaK: it's bad to have a wifi network ;)

<GazzaK> KikiWitch~ maybe bad, but at the mo I have a secured wifi network, but am thinking when I move to open it up

<popey> dunno, i was just clarifying for GazzaK

<popey> he may have thought client == software client

<GazzaK> KikiWitch~ what kind of work do you do?

<popey> EVIL WORK!

<GazzaK> supposedly NTL's 2MB means 2MB, as apposed to ADSL's 2Mb meaning a download of 256Kbps

<KikiWitch> GazzaK: so everybody can sniff what you do?

<KikiWitch> Capture all your information

<KikiWitch> have all the time in the world to decrypt ssl connections

<KikiWitch> to be able to hop on your network and try to get on your puter

<KikiWitch> to hog your bandwidth

<KikiWitch> to crack servers using your internet connections IP

<KikiWitch> want me to go on? :)

<GazzaK> yeah, that sounds wonderful

<GazzaK> hehe

<GazzaK> but then I can hack them

<KikiWitch> crack

<GazzaK> my partner is a IT security guy, he can packet sniff all the people using my wifi

<KikiWitch> I can do that too

<KikiWitch> :P

<KikiWitch> It's called ethereal

<KikiWitch> or tcpdump

<GazzaK> I was kindof joking, I do not think I would feel safe having a open wifi connection

<KikiWitch> :P

<KikiWitch> :)

<KikiWitch> don't forget to have a banner on your wifi that tells people communications may be recorded and analysed

<GazzaK> nahhhh

<GazzaK> i'd be more interested in being able to use their internet banking without them being worried

<KikiWitch> Hey you do know that conversations in this channel are logged

<KikiWitch> and stuck on the web?

<KikiWitch> I suggest you be careful what you say :)

<GazzaK> but how would they know i'm building a bomb to place under the prime ministers car?

* GazzaK giggles and hides

<KikiWitch> I don't think the primeinister owns a car

<GazzaK> and if anyone takes a comment said on irc seriously enough to bring a investigation then they really need to get out more

<popey> he has a people carrier doesn't he?

<KikiWitch> does he?

* popey uploads latest screencast to google video

<KikiWitch> GazzaK: im simply suggesting

<KikiWitch> that if you ever did fall under the eye of the police

<popey> yeah, tosser pulled out in front of me once

<KikiWitch> for some sort of technology related mishap

<popey> </lie>

<GazzaK> KikiWitch~ hehe, I'm a good boy really, I have never done anything illegal

<KikiWitch> then what you say could be used against you

<popey> prove he said it

<popey> someone could be sat at his computer

<popey> you have no way of knowing who GazzaK is

<KikiWitch> Yes popey but regardless

<KikiWitch> it's still best to not talk about cracking peoples bank details :)

<GazzaK> most you can get is that this communication came from a line paid for by my company, installed at a certain site, and shared by a number of users

* popey waves pictures of firemen around

<KikiWitch> do what you like

<KikiWitch> im just suggesting you be careful what you say

<KikiWitch> I know firsthand that it can come back to haunt you

<GazzaK> firemen, where?

<popey> Got him!

<popey> Knew it was you!

<GazzaK> hehe

<GazzaK> we have cute builders here popey

<popey> Diet coke break?

<GazzaK> but since it is so cold, they are all fully clothed :'(

<popey> there were numerous lovely ladies on the train today

<popey> I was surrounded

<GazzaK> I got chatted up yesterday :-)

<KikiWitch> How you doing?

<AdamBagnall> Gah, I've got a teleconference meeting. I'll put it on mute and talk to you people, far more interesting :-)

<GazzaK> lol

* KikiWitch hugs Adam

<KikiWitch> hey I can drive to LUG's round the England Earth now

<GazzaK> shame petrol costs so much :(

<KikiWitch> cost shmost

<GazzaK> hey I timed how long it'll take me to get to work from the new place this morning

* AdamBagnall hugs KikiWitch back

<GazzaK> it is 2.1 miles, town roads, took me 8 minutes in normal busy traffic

<KikiWitch> 2.1 miles?

<KikiWitch> walk / cycle :)

<popey> i would love to visit all LUGs

<popey> so far I have been to 4 :)

<popey> not a high number

<KikiWitch> let's do a roadtrip :)

<popey> hehe

<KikiWitch> bring laptop batterys

<AdamBagnall> my laptop is reporting a different model of battery now, but I havent changed it. Hmm.

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch: if we're all going on a roadtrip you'd better take your minibus test now

<KikiWitch> I invited popey

<AdamBagnall> Am I not invited on your roadtrip then?

<KikiWitch> No

<KikiWitch> we need at least one person to kidnap

* AdamBagnall sulks in the corner

<GazzaK> KikiWitch~ I will get my bike back from my parents, and use that when it is warmer

<anti-net_> hey KikiWitch, AdamBagnall, GazzaK

<AdamBagnall> Morning anti-net_

<GazzaK> hey anti-net_

<KikiWitch> Adam i'll let you come

<KikiWitch> but only because your handsome

<GazzaK> are you? :-) hehe, pictures ?

<KikiWitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch: you're not supposed to think like that, you're taken. Then again, it doesnt stop me, where's your picture KikiWitch ;-)

<KikiWitch> on my ubuntu forum profile

<KikiWitch> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?find=lastposter&t=156175

<KikiWitch> need to be logged in

<AdamBagnall> I found you

<KikiWitch> AdamBagnall: being taken does not mean I can't surround myself with handsome men

<anti-net_> I wounder if your other half will agree with that

<AdamBagnall> being taken does not stop me surrounding myself with women. Bitchiness does. I lived with 5 girls last year, never again.

<anti-net_> heh

<KikiWitch> anti-net_: He's fine with that :)

<KikiWitch> We are secure in our relationship

<anti-net_> awww, cute

<KikiWitch> :P

<KikiWitch> I fancy a cheese and bacon toastie

<anti-net_> hmm I just get some coffee soon

<anti-net_> and a shower

<KikiWitch> so Adam

<KikiWitch> what time shall I pick you up

<KikiWitch> and what's your address?

<AdamBagnall> Erk

<popey> that is a very very tiny pic

* KikiWitch apologises for not croppping it

<KikiWitch> and apologises for the pixel limit set by vbull

<popey> :)

<KikiWitch> :)

<anti-net_> : ()

* AdamBagnall hands KikiWitch a camera to take a new picture

<KikiWitch> It's ok

<KikiWitch> we have some nice cameras

<GazzaK> yay, I got breakfast in a bun

<KikiWitch> :o

<KikiWitch> :O

<anti-net_> :(............) (jaw dropping)

<anti-net_> ;)

<GazzaK> whats wrong with that?

<anti-net_> nothing, I was just messing aroud GazzaK

<KikiWitch> :my jaw dropped because I want one

<GazzaK> bacon and egg in a massive bun

<GazzaK> yummy

<AdamBagnall> my jaw dropped because I was drooling at the prospect of breakfast. I need to get up in time though

<anti-net_> GazzaK, stop it,

<anti-net_> your making me hungry

<GazzaK> ummm, and lovely brown sauce

<DarkFlib> ib

<AdamBagnall> 1.5hrs until lunch

<GazzaK> dripping out the sides

<GazzaK> yum yum

<AdamBagnall> DarkFlib: wb

<DarkFlib> thnx

<anti-net_> hey DarkFlib

<DarkFlib> sup?

<anti-net_> ceiling

<DarkFlib> been a little busy what with getting this custom distro out the door and all that

<anti-net_> ooo custom distro eh? what is it based on?

<GazzaK> arghhh me yoke just burst

* DarkFlib ducks...

<DarkFlib> centos 4.4

* anti-net_ likes centos

<DarkFlib> centos is really nice if you need to hack the installer...

<DarkFlib> however, I could have used ubuntu for this... and the next version might be ubuntu based

<anti-net_> yeah I had a laptop running 4.3 I think for a while, was great for just messing about on, then the laptop died :(

<DarkFlib> just I know RH better

<anti-net_> maybe fork off CentOS and make improvements

<DarkFlib> still, most questions in here are linux related, not distro specific

* GazzaK driibled yoke on mouse

<anti-net_> GazzaK, stop making me hungry!!!

<GazzaK> but it is tasty

* DarkFlib thinks about boiled egg with soldiers

<KikiWitch> since putting exchange on

<KikiWitch> this poor machine

<KikiWitch> now takes 10 minutes to boot

<KikiWitch> not 90 seconds

<KikiWitch> lol

<anti-net_> awww

<anti-net_> your evil you are KikiWitch

<GazzaK> thats exchange for ya

<KikiWitch> you're

<anti-net_> you tourture hardware with your evil exchange server

<KikiWitch> anti-net_: make me something open source that works :)

<anti-net_> umm

<anti-net_> k

<anti-net_> be back in 4 years

<anti-net_> with an alpha maybe

<DarkFlib> openexchange?

<KikiWitch> open exchange is shite :)

<KikiWitch> and has no direct push email technology

<DarkFlib> I was just making a suggestion

<KikiWitch> I appreciate it :)

<KikiWitch> x

<DarkFlib> personally, I just use pop3 and imap

<DarkFlib> I don't care what the backend runs

<KikiWitch> so do i

<KikiWitch> all im using exchange for is it's push email

<KikiWitch> for my phone

<KikiWitch> it's going to be a relay

<DarkFlib> pop3 - normal mail

<DarkFlib> imap - backing up email accounts

<sheepeatingtaz> kikiwitch, a quick google suggests funambol?

<KikiWitch> sheepeatingtaz: tried it can't get it working

<KikiWitch> :(

<GazzaK> anti-net_~ i've finished my roll now, it was really nice by the way

<anti-net_> wanknut

* KikiWitch gaffa tapes GazzaK

* KikiWitch cooks a full english breakfast for her and anti-net_

<GazzaK> :'(

<anti-net_> Yay!

* KikiWitch tapes GazzaK's eyes open

<KikiWitch> WATCH

<KikiWitch> WATCH US

<KikiWitch> brown sauce anti-net_ ?

<anti-net_> no, thanks, but ketchup would be nice

* GazzaK gets off on being tied up :p

* KikiWitch passes the ketchup

<KikiWitch> GazzaK: www.bondage.com

* anti-net_ kicks GazzaK in his nuts

<GazzaK> i'm so not clicking on that

<KikiWitch> called your bluff

<anti-net_> isn't bondage stuff illegal in this country?

* KikiWitch shrugs

<GazzaK> nope

<KikiWitch> Ann Summers sell bondage kits :)

<GazzaK> only if you force someone to do it

<GazzaK> if both/all consent it is legal

<GazzaK> even group sex is not legal

<anti-net_> how come you know so much about this?

<anti-net_> eh?!

<anti-net_> EH?!?!

* GazzaK had to look into this for a legal court case, honest

<anti-net_> pervert!

<GazzaK> nooo

<GazzaK> I'm a gay male, I used to "work" at a gay drop in advice centre, some of the members were being taken to court for a "orgy" they had, not my cup of tea at all, but I had to look into a legal defence for them

<GazzaK> recently it was make legal, but the police were trying to get them for it

<GazzaK> so I managed to prove they were acting legally, and the case was dropped

<GazzaK> sorry if that was too much info

<KikiWitch> round of applause!

<AdamBagnall> I walk away from my computer for a few mins and this is what I come back to.

<GazzaK> I'm sorry

<KikiWitch> GazzaK: don't be

* AdamBagnall tuts (or in popey terms tits)

<KikiWitch> AdamBagnall: don't make him feel awkward

<popey> :D

<popey> \o/ tits

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch: I'm not trying to make hime feel awkward, I just read a bit and saw stuff about bondage

<KikiWitch> and whats wrong with that?

<AdamBagnall> nothing, sarcasm just doesnt work online

<popey> I guess some people come here for the FLOSS talk, not the bondage talk?

<popey> :)

<KikiWitch> I hear flossing is bad for your teeth

<popey> it's quite a social place and I think we're pretty open though

<AdamBagnall> So we've had Ubuntu condoms and bondage talk over the last few days, hmm.

<anti-net_> this is all since I came along too

<KikiWitch> it's my feremones

* KikiWitch apologises

<popey> pheremones

<KikiWitch> thanks popey

<GazzaK> ubuntu jonnies sound like a great idea

<GazzaK> anti-net_~ maybe it is you then :p

<KikiWitch> I prefer the feel of the real thing

<AdamBagnall> don't apologise, we needs some livening up

<KikiWitch> Adam I don't do none of that long time stuff

<AdamBagnall> what long time stuff? (says me probably being stoopid)

<popey> i think she is talking about "quickies"

<popey> quickones

<popey> quickones.org

<AdamBagnall> Arr

* KikiWitch sneaks off to the ubuntu broom cupboard

<DarkFlib> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/09/microsoft-vista-wga.html

<popey> heh, i not my bandwidth use this week is approx double what it has ever been :)

<popey> still only 10% of my allocation though

<popey> phew

<DarkFlib> I use about 10Gig/week on tick over

<GazzaK> DarkFlib~ lol @ link

<DarkFlib> I thought the end bit regarding Linux was best

<GazzaK> I have no idea what I use, probably about 10Mb though :p

* GazzaK copy and pastes DarkFlib's link to a few other channels

<DarkFlib> Main reason I use so much is my voip

<anti-net_> I know I once used 40GB a month on a 512kbps line, I thoguht that was quite impresive myself

<DarkFlib> and my iso sending

<DarkFlib> 4Mbit here

<KikiWitch> snap

<anti-net_> 8/7/6/depends on the weather mbit here

<popey> yeah, I churn about 2-3GiB a month on my dsl connection for popey.com

<popey> need to move that

<anti-net_> hmm apartly it costs £180.137 to bring up a child

<anti-net_> so, not only do you have an annyoing little shit for 18 years you also have no money

* GazzaK is glad to be gay sometimes

* anti-net_ is glad hes properly inferitial due radation from electronical goods

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> too many laptops?

<anti-net_> yeah and mobiles

<AdamBagnall> anti-net_: does that cost include healthcare and education which are paid for by the government? Or is that the cost to the parents?

<anti-net_> and living with a PDA with Wifi ON in my pocket for days and days

* GazzaK pays too much tax, arghh

* anti-net_ gets some of that tax in the form of EMA, Thanks!

<anti-net_> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6134926.stm read for yourself

<anti-net_> people are apartly scared of toilets too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6128738.stm?lsf

<popey> i know someone who faked a phobia so she could appear on the Big Breakfast with Zig and Zag

<GazzaK> OMG, I thought my argoaphobia was sad

<GazzaK> Zig and Zag were cool

<GazzaK> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Zig%26Zag.jpg

<anti-net_> someone in my class at college is scared of oranges

<anti-net_> but anyway, brb, I need a shower

<DarkFlib> Over the past few years, I've come to the conclusion that most fears I had were irrational... its hard to get me to even bat an eyelid now...

<DarkFlib> :P

* GazzaK throws salt into DarkFlib's eyes

<GazzaK> did that work?

<DarkFlib> nope

<AdamBagnall> Mark Shuttleworth has been interviewed by The Register http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/10/shuttleworth_oracle/

*** GazzaK_ is now known as GazzaK

*** GazzaK is now known as NOT_GazzaK

*** NOT_GazzaK is now known as GazzaK

<KikiWitch> Sexual!

<GazzaK> pardon?

<GazzaK> woo, my packing boxes arrived

<KikiWitch> Got exchange running

<KikiWitch> all my support emails get copied to it

<KikiWitch> it then dumps them over the microwaves to my phone

<GazzaK> how the 'ell am I gonna get all these boxes into my little mx5

<KikiWitch> all very very sexual

<GazzaK> lol

* GazzaK is glad he is not the only one who likes it too much when techy things work

<KikiWitch> now i can leave the house and not worry about support

<KikiWitch> :o

<KikiWitch> my phone just told me i have email before my mail client

<KikiWitch> :O

<GazzaK> wow, brainy phone

<KikiWitch> :(.....)

<GazzaK> :( )

<KikiWitch> no tongue

<GazzaK> :( P

<KikiWitch> hmmm

* KikiWitch sets up evolution

<GazzaK> still, hot the 'ell am I gonna get these boxes home?

<KikiWitch> flat pack them

<AdamBagnall> GazzaK: send them down the tubes, I'm sure there's room between the internets

<anti-net_> GazzaK, strap them on top of the boot

<KikiWitch> yay

<KikiWitch> just got my organic delivery

<anti-net_> and just found my hair brush!

<anti-net_> good day for all I feel

<KikiWitch> I got eggs

<anti-net_> I need an espresso tho

<KikiWitch> and sugar and tea bags and cucumber and tomatos and poatatoes and carrots and stuff

<anti-net_> organic sugar

<anti-net_> how does that work?

<KikiWitch> they grow it

<KikiWitch> lol

<KikiWitch> with no preservatives

* anti-net_ does't do this healthy food stuff

<KikiWitch> i dont care if it's healthy

<KikiWitch> it's good for the enviroment

<KikiWitch> that's what matters to me

<anti-net_> the enviroment is fine

<KikiWitch> it's far from fine :)

<anti-net_> it just needs a reboot

<KikiWitch> ://

<KikiWitch> =//

<anti-net_> were not the first race to live on this earth and were not the last

<grifferz> you believe there has been something non-human that has affected the planet more than we do today, then? or do you mean different races of humans?

<anti-net_> I mean that we can't live on this earth forever

<anti-net_> a stronger race that can cope with this earth will come along and we'll die out

<popey> cockroaches?

<popey> bees?

<anti-net_> no

<anti-net_> Linux Users

<popey> oldest thing is woodlice isn't it?

* KikiWitch thinks somebody has watched too much StarTrek

<popey> they have more in common with dinosaurs than any other animal iirc

<grifferz> so is your argument that we needn't concern ourselves with how we use our resources, because no matter what we do some kind of glow in the dark plankton may be able to take over later

<popey> coool

<anti-net_> KikiWitch, I don't watch Startrek or any sci-fi but I do spend alot of time along

<popey> glow in the dark anything

<anti-net_> alone*

<popey> hehe

<KikiWitch> That explains alot

<popey> </unsurprised>

<KikiWitch> <unsurprised />

* KikiWitch wants to get some big html directives printed out in super big foam

<KikiWitch> and to have a fight with them

<KikiWitch> like gladiators

<anti-net_> :o

<anti-net_> airfix is comming back!

<anti-net_> :o

<KikiWitch> but in oh what a surprise

<anti-net_> I think I need to get out more!!

<KikiWitch> evolution just crashed

<KikiWitch> blood

<KikiWitch> bloody pile of poo

<anti-net_> use thunderbird

<KikiWitch> I do

<anti-net_> so what, you setting evo just for added stress?

<KikiWitch> wanted to access my new exchange accounts calendar

<anti-net_> ahh I see

<gord> phew its so cold today, colder than yesterday even, its almost as if winter is gaining strength and my shear willpower is failing to keep it at bay

<anti-net_> cold here too

<anti-net_> Atlantic winds make it chillly in cornwall

<KikiWitch> I knew cornwall was in the sticks

<KikiWitch> but Atlantic?

<KikiWitch> blimey

* KikiWitch goes back to her geography lessons

<anti-net_> lol

<anti-net_> we have the atlantic ocean just on our door step

<gord> I just have whatever my cat kills on my doorstep

<anti-net_> hah

<gord> still better than being in cornwall ;)

<anti-net_> hey

<KikiWitch> is it true

<KikiWitch> they make walls

<anti-net_> Cornwall is ok.................oh no I can't say it, its shit

<KikiWitch> from corn?

<KikiWitch> :o

<anti-net_> its true we do

<anti-net_> we also call tourists "emits"

<anti-net_> which is cornish for ants

<gord> must be a riot down there in cornwall...

<anti-net_> yeah

<anti-net_> if you like tumble weeds and the sound of abolutotly nothing its heaven

* popey ponders what screencast to make next

<popey> configuring email client I think

<grifferz> a screencast screencast

<anti-net_> a screencast on how to do a screencast on how to do a screencast

<popey> :p

<grifferz> not configuring email server though eh :)

<popey> hmm, maybe file navigation

<popey> funny man

<popey> :)

<popey> grifferz: lunch?

<anti-net_> how to build a Linux Distro popey ? :P

<grifferz> I could have a swift pint in about an hour, sorry for being crap

<gord> a screencast on the wonders of nethack

<KikiWitch> linux from scratch

<KikiWitch> .com

<KikiWitch> i think

<KikiWitch> :)

<popey> yeah, okay beer in 1 hour

<gord> oooh or one on howto send me money

<popey> tick tock tick tock

<gord> or beer

<AdamBagnall> Ooh, that steak sandwich was good

<AdamBagnall> 6oz sirloin steak in ciabatta

<anti-net_> I think im going to make a trip to Subway

<popey> mmmm subway

<gord> I can't go to the subway in my town... the results of a drunken night and the corresponding shenanigans that accompanied that drunken night make me too embarrassed to go back in...

<anti-net_> thats why I don't drink

<anti-net_> I have nothing to be ashemed of

<KikiWitch> except not drinking

<anti-net_> why should I be ashemed of not drinking?

<anti-net_> its also "illegal" for me to drink

<mrben> it's probably not illegal for you to drink

<mrben> merely illegal for you to purchase alcohol

<anti-net_> true

* popey pokes grifferz

<popey> _______

<popey> < Beer! >

<popey> -------

<popey> \ ^__^

<popey> \ (oo)\_______

<popey> (__)\ )\/\

<popey> ||----w |

<popey> || ||

<apokryphos> mooo

<grifferz> 5 mins?

<popey> k

<grifferz> thank you

<mrben> damn you both

* mrben wants beerz now

<apokryphos> yuck; but cider, now hm...

<AdamBagnall> Bah, no beerz for me until 4:30

* popey ponders which pub to go to

<popey> and whether it is "5 pint friday"

<grifferz> only 1 pint for me. ready now?

<popey> although to be fair there has only been one "5 pint friday" since I have been here and that was after sam was born

<popey> yup coming down now

<popey> \o/ beer

<grifferz> ok on my way

<AdamBagnall> popey: you're in Farnborough or Farnham aren't you?

<AdamBagnall> You should come to Amazingstoke for a drink one of these fine days

<KikiWitch> oh oh

<KikiWitch> i drive

<KikiWitch> invite me

<KikiWitch> where do you live Adders?

<AdamBagnall> Basingstoke at the moment

<AdamBagnall> Home home is near Hastings and Uni is Canterbury. I'm fairly location confused at the moment.

<AdamBagnall> and I went to school in Horsham near LMM

<KikiWitch> I went to school in canterbury

<KikiWitch> Chaucer Technology School

<KikiWitch> hated it

<KikiWitch> lol

<KikiWitch> your 70 miles from me :)

<KikiWitch> M1, M25, M3

<AdamBagnall> 70 miles is a bit far to go for a drink methinks

<AdamBagnall> although you're welcome to if you want

<KikiWitch> meet ya half way

<KikiWitch> hehe

<KikiWitch> !ping

<ubotu> ping: connection timeout

<AdamBagnall> I guess you boarded at school too, Canterbury is a looong way from Bedfordshire

<KikiWitch> Nope

* KikiWitch moveds to Margate with mum when she divorced dad

<KikiWitch> we all hated our new life

<KikiWitch> and made her move back

<AdamBagnall> Ah, I don't like Margate, the beach is ok but the rest of it is a dump

<KikiWitch> I don't like kent :)

<KikiWitch> Think about it

<KikiWitch> I get moved away from my friends and family

<KikiWitch> parents have just divorced

<KikiWitch> now takes me an hour to get to school every day

<KikiWitch> im tired

<KikiWitch> shy

<KikiWitch> lonely

<KikiWitch> was awful

<AdamBagnall> Ouch

<KikiWitch> surfice it to say i hate kent :)

<KikiWitch> It's VooDoooo

* VooDoo bows

<VooDoo> hows the exchange server coping?

<KikiWitch> witht he 2 emails an hour it gets

<KikiWitch> rather well

<VooDoo> lol kewl

<AdamBagnall> It's thriving and providing a great home for many worms

<KikiWitch> heh

<KikiWitch> wise guy

* VooDoo needs to configure up his email server....

<KikiWitch> don't think of it as an email server

<KikiWitch> think of it as a relay for emails to radiowaves :)

* KikiWitch wants to drive and visit people

* VooDoo is too far away

* AdamBagnall is 70 miles away

<VooDoo> so have all you people put your hackagotch on the gallery?

<AdamBagnall> aye

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch hasnt

* AdamBagnall pokes KikiWitch

* KikiWitch wants a tom tom

<KikiWitch> VooDoo

<KikiWitch> :|

<KikiWitch> hackagotch?

<VooDoo> take a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members

<VooDoo> Hackergotchi

<KikiWitch> im not part of the UKTeam

<VooDoo> well join then ;)

<AdamBagnall> you're on here KikiWitch so you must be part of the UKTeam

<KikiWitch> I don't think I am :)

* VooDoo thinks we should vote.....is kikiwitch a member of the UK Team?

* VooDoo sticks his hand up

* KikiWitch votes No

<AdamBagnall> o/

<KikiWitch> how do i logon to ubuntu?

<KikiWitch> It keeps telling me that Windows 98 has performed an illegal operation

<KikiWitch> umm

<KikiWitch> my computers on fire

<KikiWitch> should i restart it

<KikiWitch> ?

<AdamBagnall> See -> That's what exchange does to you, it's fried poor Kiki's brain

<KikiWitch> look

<KikiWitch> i'll coook you guys food any time your in beds :)

* VooDoo thinks kikiwitch needs to install AD to complecate things further

<KikiWitch> but i don't think you want me on the team :)

<KikiWitch> VooDoo: Already did that

<AdamBagnall> we need to on the team as bait to catch other females

<VooDoo> kikiwitch : kewl....

<KikiWitch> to?

<VooDoo> females? i thought kikiwitch was a lady?

<KikiWitch> no

<KikiWitch> we had this discussion

<KikiWitch> im not a lady

<AdamBagnall> She's not a lady, we had this discussion

<KikiWitch> im a geek girl

<VooDoo> EXCELLENT :)

<KikiWitch> Im a flat chested lankey geek girl :P

<VooDoo> i'm a lankey geek man :)

<AdamBagnall> so am I

<KikiWitch> your a boy

<AdamBagnall> err, did I say that aloud?

<VooDoo> very lanky

<KikiWitch> how tall are you?

<VooDoo> 6'6

<KikiWitch> go play basketball

<KikiWitch> adam?

<AdamBagnall> yup

<KikiWitch> how tall are you

<VooDoo> prefer teachin karate.

<AdamBagnall> I was just under 6' but I think i've grown a bit more

<VooDoo> i've grown around the belly ;)

<AdamBagnall> I've done that too

<VooDoo> when i stood on the scales it said one at a time please

<KikiWitch> well you are as tall as 2 people joined together

<AdamBagnall> very small people

<VooDoo> thanks :)

<VooDoo> right need to pop out and get some coloured tape

<KikiWitch> voodoo

<KikiWitch> wheres your pic

* VooDoo is Paul Mellors.....its an old pic i look shit

<KikiWitch> the cutting out of the head they seem to be doing

<KikiWitch> is not making me want to put my pic up

<VooDoo> thats a hackergotchi

<VooDoo> there really used on planet sites.

<KikiWitch> no way

<KikiWitch> im not joining

<KikiWitch> nu uh

<VooDoo> wuss girl

<KikiWitch> yup

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch: you dont haev to cut your head off/out. I didn't

<KikiWitch> wanna say that to my face?

<KikiWitch> ;)

<VooDoo> yeah sure i'll bring the chair for you to stand on

<VooDoo> :)

<KikiWitch> im tall enough :)

<VooDoo> damn L

<VooDoo> :)

<VooDoo> right speak to you all later

* KikiWitch is taller than her bf

<KikiWitch> just a bit

<VooDoo> how tall are you?

<KikiWitch> 6'9

<VooDoo> really?

<KikiWitch> no

<KikiWitch> 5'something

<VooDoo> kewl....ok laters

* VooDoo waves

* KikiWitch waves

* AdamBagnall waves back

<KikiWitch> :o

<KikiWitch> they swear on lugradio

<KikiWitch> bastards

<KikiWitch> swearing is wrong

<KikiWitch> he's popey the sailor man

<KikiWitch> la la la la la la la

<sheepeatingtaz> KikiWitch: http://jehaisleprintemps.net/lrl/talk/index.html

<sheepeatingtaz> analysis of teh sweraing :)

<sheepeatingtaz> blimey, I can't type this afternoon

<KikiWitch> ok

<tomnix> afternoon all

<KikiWitch> hi

<KikiWitch> welcome to the room

<KikiWitch> your call is important to us

<KikiWitch> sorry to keep you waiting

<KikiWitch> your call is important to us

<KikiWitch> you're important to us

<KikiWitch> please hold

<KikiWitch> beep.

<AdamBagnall> Hello Tomnix, my name's Adam, how can I help you today?

<tomnix> you cant im just idling :)

<KikiWitch> thank you

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch: I'm getting better with these joke thingies, not only did I not ruin it today, I carried it on :-D

* AdamBagnall feels pleased with himself

<KikiWitch> you spoke to them while on hold

<KikiWitch> ;)

* KikiWitch pats your back

<KikiWitch> msn me adam

<AdamBagnall> I dont have your msn, or is it on ubuntuforums?

<KikiWitch> I just sent it to you

* anti-net_ is back from subway

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch: you're offline

<KikiWitch> am not

<KikiWitch> just messaged you

<KikiWitch> now your offline

<anti-net_> use jabber!

<KikiWitch> no!

<anti-net_> bah

<anti-net_> actally I also use msn, but it would be very unsocialable of me not to

<KikiWitch> exactly

<anti-net_> the twat it subway can't make a sandwich

<KikiWitch> im not sure that anything they have in their can be combined together to form a "sandwich"

<KikiWitch> not under the deffinition of sandwich that II understand

<anti-net_> whats wrong with subway?

<KikiWitch> it contain's no food

<anti-net_> yeah yeah ok

<anti-net_> tbh with you i did only go in to see if my friend Alice was there

<KikiWitch> :)

<KikiWitch> I fancy a salad sandwich

<KikiWitch> with organic veg, butter, and bread

<KikiWitch> hmm

* KikiWitch goes to the kitchen

<AdamBagnall> organic sandwiches are fine, as long as they contain a big hunk of organic cow

<anti-net_> Heh

* popey returns from the pub

<anti-net_> liquid lunch?

<popey> two pint friday o\/

<popey> er

<popey> \o/

<anti-net_> i think two pint friday is affecting your typing skills

<AdamBagnall> are you sure it was just the 2?

<anti-net_> yeah 2 pints of beer

<anti-net_> 40 shots of vodka

<popey> :)

<KikiWitch> mmm

<popey> just two guinnessess

<KikiWitch> its got organic pig in it

<AdamBagnall> that'll do, as long it contains dead animal

<KikiWitch> popey sounds like a man on a phone

<KikiWitch> http://www.lust.lug.org.uk/

<KikiWitch> my lug :/

<anti-net_> I thought you were from Luton

<KikiWitch> Bedfordshire

<popey> the L in lust stands for Luton

* anti-net_ has superpowers

<KikiWitch> http://www.mk.lug.org.uk/

<KikiWitch> mildly better

<anti-net_> Anyone here got a dnuk workstation?

<KikiWitch> a wha wha?

<anti-net_> www.dnuk.com

<KikiWitch> nope

<KikiWitch> 1k for a server

<KikiWitch> ouch

* KikiWitch runs to dell

* anti-net_ is running away from dell

<anti-net_> I have a dell Dim atm

<anti-net_> 8300

<anti-net_> not very good at all

<grifferz> dnuk donated us a server, but I try not to judge them based on it (it was "better than nothing" until it broke)

<KikiWitch> so who rates the Wii?

<grifferz> they gave me an extra set of rack rails as well

<anti-net_> I need a new desktop

<KikiWitch> same here

<KikiWitch> im buying a dell

<AdamBagnall> I want a wiiiii

* KikiWitch has preordered her wii

* AdamBagnall is waiting to see what people say about the wii when it's out

* anti-net_ is waiting to PLAY one first

<KikiWitch> you can come round mine and play on it

<anti-net_> drive all the way to luton?

<KikiWitch> I don't live in Luton

<anti-net_> close enough

<KikiWitch> not really :)

<KikiWitch> well not by 80 minutes driving

<anti-net_> what do I know, I live in cornwall

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch, you wanted to drive, you can take your wii on a tour to all of us

<KikiWitch> Adam

<KikiWitch> i'll be too busy playing zelda

<anti-net_> I say KikiWitch you bring your Wii to cornwall and i kick your ass

<AdamBagnall> 35 mins until the weekend.

<anti-net_> bah

<anti-net_> weekend starts for me on friday

<anti-net_> I don't have to go into college then

<popey> wifey called me earlier

<popey> "Can you pick up a curry and some wine on the way home"

<popey> \o/

<anti-net_> my cat won't let me type dammit

<anti-net_> stupid fury basterd

<AdamBagnall> so how did you type that, telepathy?

<anti-net_> I managed to restain him from jumping up on the keyboard

* KikiWitch is making saussage casserole for dinner

<anti-net_> you want to make cat pie?

* AdamBagnall is going to wetherspoons for supper

* anti-net_ expects his mother will make dinner..........dammit it feel young

<AdamBagnall> anti-net_: make the most of it.

<anti-net_> Heh

<anti-net_> yeah I guess I should

<KikiWitch> anti-net_: i'll adopt your cat

<anti-net_> I'd still rather leave and live on my own if i had the money

<anti-net_> KikiWitch, you can have the crap cat that does't love us

<KikiWitch> ok

<grifferz> oh dear had a beer, typing work passwords into personal servers and personal passwords in to work servers

<popey> hehe

<popey> mhhaahahaha

<popey> the influence of evil popey

<anti-net_> damn you popey

* popey suspects he may snooze a little on the train on the way home

* anti-net_ makes sure there someone there to draw on popey's face

<AdamBagnall> popey: you're not allowed to sleep on the train, you have a duty to hand Ubuntu cds to everyone using a laptop on the train

<popey> heh

<anti-net_> should do it on planes aswell

<popey> i have run out!

<anti-net_> harder to hide on a plane

<KikiWitch> i dont think cd's are allowed in hand luggage :)

<anti-net_> oh yeah

<anti-net_> thos damn "liquid explosives"

<KikiWitch> im surprised they let you take a clear plastic bag

<KikiWitch> the plastic could be explosive :)

<anti-net_> im suprised you don't have to fly naked yet

<AdamBagnall> even then, suicide bombers could get explosives on the train using non-ubuntu branded condoms in the way people smuggle drugs

<popey> i suspect I may not make a screencast tonight - wifey wants some quality time in front of the telly :|

<KikiWitch> breast implants

<KikiWitch> popey: you should be smiling?

<popey> I get frustrated sometimes watching telly

<popey> especially if I have important things to do

<KikiWitch> watch your wife then :)

<popey> she will likely be snoring

<KikiWitch> remind me never to get married

<popey> that's nothing to do with it

<anti-net_> get a fake popey, so when she falls asleep she does't relises your at the computer :-)

<popey> :)

<KikiWitch> get a second monitor and a tv card

* popey has both

<KikiWitch> move the sofa ;)

<AdamBagnall> I like that thinking

<anti-net_> or get a laptop

<grifferz> a range of startlingly innovatinve suggestions which I am sure he has not considered before

<grifferz> innovative also

* KikiWitch has her spv now

<KikiWitch> much better than a laptop

<KikiWitch> for quick use things

<AdamBagnall> popey: if you make sure she drink the whole bottle of wine then you can get on with things after she's fallen asleep

<KikiWitch> like errr

<KikiWitch> watching boring telly and going on irc

<anti-net_> hmm

* anti-net_ wants a laptop

* KikiWitch has an IBM X24

<KikiWitch> In this house we have 4 laptops

<KikiWitch> and 2 people

<KikiWitch> :|

<anti-net_> 1 computer here

<AdamBagnall> KikiWitch: what's the x24 like? I know someone who's getting onwe

<KikiWitch> it's beautiful :)

<KikiWitch> I got mine refurbed off of ebay

<KikiWitch> had to do some extra refurbs

<KikiWitch> (fix broken cable for backlight)

<KikiWitch> (tighten up screen hinge)

<KikiWitch> otherwise it's a beaut

<KikiWitch> good batt life

<KikiWitch> runs well

<KikiWitch> light

<KikiWitch> sturdy

<AdamBagnall> ah, so the seller properly "refurbed" it then

<KikiWitch> I had an X41 at my last job

<KikiWitch> which is also beaut

<KikiWitch> Debian and Ubuntu have both been installed with out any problems

<anti-net_> I want a Samsung Q35

<KikiWitch> Ubuntu even recognises all it's magic keys

<KikiWitch> when i change the volume i get an on screen display

<KikiWitch> same for brightness

<KikiWitch> etc

<KikiWitch> here they are

<KikiWitch> http://www.superdsblog.com/index.php?entryid=48

<KikiWitch> next to each other :)

<AdamBagnall> The magic keys are recognised on my Lenovo c100 at well

<AdamBagnall> no osd for brightness though

<KikiWitch> the X24 is on the left in it's docking station

<KikiWitch> the X41 is on the right

<anti-net_> AdamBagnall, you got a C100, you happy with it?

<popey> shhh! he's here!

<anti-net_> I was thinking about getting one of them

<anti-net_> hi LoudMouthMan

<AdamBagnall> c100 is good, but the sd card reader doesnt work under linux and broadcom wireless

* KikiWitch glares at LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> hello antu-net

<AdamBagnall> c100 is pretty big too

<AdamBagnall> I'm off to pub now, see y'all later

<LoudMouthMan> hey Kikiwitch whats with the glaring!

<anti-net_> cya AdamBagnall

*** AdamBagnall is now known as Adam_screen

<KikiWitch> your a spy

<LoudMouthMan> Kikiwitch . why because Im on ecademy and I was surfing people like me?

<popey> s/your/you're/g

<KikiWitch> LoudMouthMan: don't tell EVERYOBE

<KikiWitch> I like some privacy :|

<anti-net_> how the douce is LoudMouthMan a spy?

<LoudMouthMan> sigh . sorry !

<KikiWitch> :P

<VooDoo> hay all

<LoudMouthMan> Hello Voodoo

<VooDoo> :)

<anti-net_> hi VooDoo

<popey> Greetings professor falken

<VooDoo> do you want to play a game?

<popey> lets play global thermonuclear war

* anti-net_ fires up his missiles

* popey brings the WOPR online

<popey> "Turn the key sir!"

<KikiWitch> http://www.introversion.co.uk/defcon/

<VooDoo> lets try JOSHUA!

<popey> oooo

<popey> does that run on linux?

<anti-net_> I have't seen Wargames in aaages

<anti-net_> yes popey

<anti-net_> I think

<popey> oooo

<popey> want!

<anti-net_> I could me mistaken

<VooDoo> no linux download

<anti-net_> "Windows 98/ME/2000/XP"

<KikiWitch> I donno if it runs on linux

* anti-net_ crys

* anti-net_ while huggling a tux

* LoudMouthMan rolls eyes and pulls out a dusty copy of Paranoia

* KikiWitch likes knoquest

<KikiWitch> konquest*

<anti-net_> I should install Unreal 2004

<anti-net_> hmm you know what would be awesome

<anti-net_> a ubuntu-uk gaming server

<popey> i wish I had more time, I have a few games in me I'd like to write

<VooDoo> enemy territory

* KikiWitch clones popey

<VooDoo> ooo ubuntu-uk gaming server i like that

<anti-net_> See, not just a pretty face

<KikiWitch> Just install XP and come play homeworld2 with me online

<VooDoo> blimey havn't played that in years

<LoudMouthMan> BF2 ftw !

<LoudMouthMan> or BF2142 FtFw

<popey> pfffft

* popey spits on xp

<LoudMouthMan> hey we all need a solid and reliable gaming platform. thats what I own too many consoles.

* KikiWitch watches xp turn on it;'s windscreen wipers

<VooDoo> XP is fine as long as you want to use the computer it's on as a door stop

<KikiWitch> XP is perfect ;)

<anti-net_> no if we were going to have a Ubuntu-UK gaming server we have to play Linux games ffs

* VooDoo thinks kinkiwitch is nuts

<VooDoo> oops typw

<KikiWitch> LoudMouthMan: what do you own?

<anti-net_> KikiWitch is nuts

* KikiWitch owns a SNES, 2x N64, 2xgamecubes, 1x xbox, 1x xbox 360, 2x nintendo ds

<LoudMouthMan> im still waiting on a Wii and ill pass on the ps3

<KikiWitch> and soon to own a Wii

<anti-net_> I wouldnt mind a DS

<KikiWitch> ds lite*

* VooDoo owns a ps2 and a server and a laptop.....thats it

* KikiWitch would never touch a ps

<anti-net_> but I can't afrod it atm cuz I need a new desktop and a laptop for college

<VooDoo> its ok

<VooDoo> lego star wars 2 rocks

* popey owns JAMMA arcade cab, jamma games, 2xn64, 1xgc, 1xps, 1xXbox, 1xsnes, 3xspeccy, 1xc64, 1xST1020FM, 1xArchimedies, 3xAmstradCPC*

<LoudMouthMan> ps2 + eyetoy + eyetoy games + alchohol + naked twister = PARTY!

* KikiWitch watches free60.org with delight

<KikiWitch> xbox260 is a pretty nice computer for £200 :)

<KikiWitch> 360*

* sheepeatingtaz has Gamecube, Xbox, Dektop, Laptop, SNES, Megadrive, Gameboy (original!) and pride of place is my Vintage Atari 7800 :)

<KikiWitch> oh oh i have a megadrive and saturn and atari jaguar too

<LoudMouthMan> yeah .

<VooDoo> ooo forgot about my amiga 1200 my sega master system and megadrive

<LoudMouthMan> well..

<LoudMouthMan> I have a ..

<KikiWitch> and i did have a dream cast/ gb color and original gb

<LoudMouthMan> Stick and a ball on a rope!

<KikiWitch> and i had a gamegear

<KikiWitch> and lots of other things

* sheepeatingtaz -> Pub. \o/

* sheepeatingtaz -> Pub. \o/

* sheepeatingtaz -> Pub. \o/

<astopy> what's going on with #ubuntu today? seems eerily quiet

<sheepeatingtaz> oops, finger lock :S

<anti-net_> dammit

<anti-net_> 5GB for UT

<VooDoo> so any one upgraded to feisty yet...lol ha ha ha

* popey suspects he may be playing some mame on the train on the way home

<VooDoo> a friend in my LUG has an awesome mame setup, you'd have seen it if yu went to LRL

<popey> i played on it :)

<VooDoo> it really does rock

<popey> except when it overheats playing R-Type Leo :)

<VooDoo> and his kids are demons at gauntlet

<VooDoo> 454 pages for a learning perl book? *sigh* ok page 1

* popey steals VooDoos perl book and replaces it with a python book

<popey> there, much nicer

<VooDoo> lol already got a python book, but i'm going to work for an ISP who uses perl

* LoudMouthMan ponders playing with ruby on rails for a project

<VooDoo> brb

<popey> 16:32 [freenode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/gentoo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all, just a quick note to let you know I will be

<popey> doing some quick rehubbing of our European servers in a moment. It should all be quick and painfree. Please hang in there while

<popey> we jump and thank you for using freenode

<astopy> your clock is five minutes fast

<astopy> Fri Nov 10 16:32:01 GMT 2006

<anti-net_> hm

<anti-net_> well there no sound on UT2004 :(

<mrben> turn the volume up ;)

<astopy> popey: assuming you received that message five minutes ago when I did

<anti-net_> mrben, its up, driver issue I think

<popey> i don't have a time sync installed here

<mrben> anti-net_: hmmmm

<mrben> anti-net_: do other games work?

* mrben installed ut2k4 again the other day - will check it when I get home if I have time

<anti-net_> UT is the only commerical game i've tryed

<popey> i have UT2004, doom3 and Quake4 installed

<anti-net_> I may go get Quake 4

<anti-net_> tho i've only got a 5200 graphics card

<anti-net_> so I wouder if it will be very playable

<astopy> I don't suppose any of these games work in linux?

<anti-net_> Doom3 does

<anti-net_> Quake 4 does

<anti-net_> UT does

<popey> all 3 do

<popey> natively

<astopy> UT? or UT2004?

<popey> I wouldn't have them if they didn't

<popey> ut2004

<anti-net_> I have been looking for Quake 3 online but I've had no luck

<astopy> hmm, I had no idea, will have to investigate that

<anti-net_> I want it for lan gaming

<anti-net_> anyone able to recommend any good Open source games?

<mrben> anti-net_: what type of game?

<popey> what genre?

<mrben> anti-net_: if FPS, check out Tremulous

<mrben> http://www.tremulous.net/

<astopy> I personally recommend Gnome mahjongg :)

<anti-net_> do you have to play online or can you play with bots?

* popey plays with his bot

<popey> tom

<astopy> anti-net_: http://www.tremulous.net/index.php?section=faq apparently not

<mrben> no bots, sorry

<mrben> but it is GPL

<mrben> hometime for me

<mrben> l8rs all

<anti-net_> cya mrben

<popey> sooo sleeepy

<anti-net_> proplus? espresso? redbull?

<popey> sleep

<anti-net_> Heh

<KikiWitch> popey -> sensible

<anti-net_> he has a point tho

<anti-net_> just so much caffine abuse you can do before you start to feel like its killing you from the inside out

<KikiWitch> thats why i drink decaff coffee

<anti-net_> thats not a nice feeling btw KikiWitch

<KikiWitch> anti-net_: I once almost killed myself through being a druggy

<anti-net_> I can tell you that from last summer when I lived on a drink called "Relentless"

<KikiWitch> so I know how it feels

<anti-net_> KikiWitch, we have laws to stop you from doing that

<anti-net_> :-P

<KikiWitch> I got home and did nothing but smoke pot and drink pepsi

<anti-net_> yeah, I have friends like that, kinda worrying

<anti-net_> they don't seem to know there limits, or seem to know when they have a problem

<KikiWitch> "We have created a folder called rachel in /path/to/verylong/hidden/place

* KikiWitch can't be bothered

<KikiWitch> updatedb && locate rachel

<KikiWitch> :)

<anti-net_> hmm I really don't like having to do Pseudocode

<KikiWitch> want £20 an hour to do some php for me?

<anti-net_> I do want £20 an hour, but i don't know Pee H Pee

<KikiWitch> nuff fair

* anti-net_ is a newbie programmer

<LoudMouthMan> i can be pimped for some php work

<popey> jeez 100 million lottery

<popey> that's just nuts

<dsas> the last time it got around to that sort of money an impromptu syndicate made up of nearly all of the entire IS department at work bought a crazy amount of tickets

<dsas> didn't win :(

<dsas> 332 lines on 84 tickets :)

<anti-net_> the things I could do with 100million

<anti-net_> I could get all the people i don't like wacked

<LoudMouthMan> grr customers !

<LoudMouthMan> you put a process in place to protect against cluepidity and theyre marketing tream decide its not dynamic enough to respond to them

<LoudMouthMan> sigh .

<anti-net_> LoudMouthMan, remeber, they keep food on your table

<dsas> "this job would rule if it wasn't for the customers"

<LoudMouthMan> anti-net . nah I ditch the dumb ones and keep the smart ones. then i keep food on table AND hair on head

<anti-net_> Heh, thats a wise move

<LoudMouthMan> yeah take a bit of guts though but it alway sresult sin less stress

<LoudMouthMan> this particular customer im already novating to another support company .

<LoudMouthMan> rule number 1 : if it isnt fun or positive then dont do it.

<LoudMouthMan> rule number 2: money is never as important as rule number 1

<anti-net_> bah

<anti-net_> money is very important

<LoudMouthMan> hehe in which case fun and positive attitude is more very important.

* anti-net_ is greedy

<anti-net_> tho I do have alot of hair to loose

<LoudMouthMan> and since my astmha is intrinsic and stress related rule number 1 is always life preserving.

<anti-net_> I can see how IT is the most stressful profession

<LoudMouthMan> possibly: thought teaching, nursing, road wardens and cattle insemitators probably have just a shitty time.

<anti-net_> yeah, teachers have't got it easy

<anti-net_> I know, I use to make it non-easy

<KikiWitch> :(

<KikiWitch> I just had to tell a client we cant handle their work :(

<anti-net_> :(

* LoudMouthMan does happy dance as second SME customer this year makes complete conversion to Ubuntu from Windows.

<anti-net_> well done LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> cheers. mind you there a fairly open minded company who feel that corporate is not in keeping with their open minds.

<LoudMouthMan> that and they love the whole everything is open and free andunrestricted

<anti-net_> I find it hard to understand why big companies don't use Microsoft

<anti-net_> DO use MS*

<anti-net_> espically if there so big that they have the money to build a custom OS

<LoudMouthMan> for many reasons not the least of which is cultured self interest.

<LoudMouthMan> after all there are hundreds of departments with many managers and line managers and directors all of whom like to use the excuse of not understanding technology as a reason to fail, among other reasons.

<LoudMouthMan> Its the same if you try to introduce Document management or COLD or BPR

<LoudMouthMan> the issue and impact on productivity is measured in peoples emotional and personal reactions to a product.

<LoudMouthMan> to gain acceptance within a corporate area you have to discover where change can occur without emotional or percieved costs.

<LoudMouthMan> just one of the many reasons why im not corporate and think that change happens quicker if you can change the SMEs and the Home users.

<anti-net_> Education might be another outlet to get people to switch, for some people thats the first (or main) exponsure to computers

<VooDoo> a lot of home users don't like change at all and thats half the problem

<LoudMouthMan> remember that Homeusers were buying PCs and computers longbefore corporates were buying in.

<LoudMouthMan> well theyve learnt that change away from a percieved standard will be bad. and through bad experiences have associated bad understanding.

<anti-net_> VooDoo, I do think people are looking for alternative espically due to the problems with Windows and the increase in zero-day exploits

<LoudMouthMan> I think we first need to modify and influence the hearts and mind of all those "other" support poersonnal that home users call on.

<VooDoo> anti-net: depends on the skills of the home user, half the windows users i know arn't really techy and wouldn't know a zero day if it introduced itself, so why change something that works for them

<LoudMouthMan> its like the N Big Challenges with mark is wrtiting about. We need to get it accepted as an alternative and a choice

<LoudMouthMan> Voodoo. because if skill is not the issue to the home user then its experience and results. So you show them a better experience ( N Big Challenge ) and Results ( less random events and less worries ) and let them decide

<VooDoo> i'm trying that with my girlfriend, but she's so used to windows she doesn't want to change

<LoudMouthMan> for a good example of a latent geek go read dungeekin.blogspot.com

<LoudMouthMan> yes and its not because of skill . its emotional and experience so she needs to see that she can have better emotional response and experiences from a different environment

<LoudMouthMan> as a good example of expectations. A recent client of mine who is a zero computer knowledge user joust bought a mac power book.

<anti-net_> Powerbook or MacBook?

<LoudMouthMan> she has in 2 weeks become very able to create documents, find them and print them.

<LoudMouthMan> errr dont know why i typed them botrh <grin>

<LoudMouthMan> MacBook

<anti-net_> is she using OS X?

<LoudMouthMan> anyway dont get off topic

<LoudMouthMan> yes OSX. the point is. she has no skill

<anti-net_> ok yeah true

<VooDoo> aye but she'll get dependent on macos coz it will just work for her then not want to try anything new....thats the problem i have with the GF

<LoudMouthMan> but the positive experience and the "just works" environment have her raving to her windows friends about all the benefits. and because I have been her ubuntu buddy she is recommending Ubuntu to them .

<VooDoo> ah i see what your saying......

<LoudMouthMan> actually she says that she will buy a cheaper laptop for the office and will run Ubuntu

<LoudMouthMan> you do? excellent.. <grin>

<VooDoo> kewl......well for the moment i'll just dual boot my laptop

<anti-net_> VooDoo, bah, give it up

<popey> moo

<anti-net_> its bad for the sole that windows stuff

<VooDoo> i don't use it at all.....

<popey> http://quickones.org/ how's that for a first stab?

<VooDoo> i'm a bit pissed of she won't switch....grub looks so shit :(

<LoudMouthMan> so back to the point . its not the skills of the home user that is deciding for them but the fear ( it will break and catch something ) of the desktop that is driving them.

<LoudMouthMan> nice one popey.

<LoudMouthMan> I showed your video to a client they were all over it and why it was cool

<popey> excellent

<popey> fire suggestions this way for new videos

<LoudMouthMan> have to say man your voice online is MUCH better than mine

<popey> hehe

<VooDoo> llm: in my experience user don't know what the hell a virus is :S

<popey> i don't break microphones

<popey> i have two though :)

<popey> just in case

<LoudMouthMan> I still feel that a guide to getting involved in Ubuntu - Pre Ubuntu would be great

<popey> details?

<popey> where to find stuff?

<popey> how to report problems/bugs?

<LoudMouthMan> a Guide for the Windows user coming to Ubuntu . stuff like Where the Forums are and where to find help ( general )

<popey> ok, that makes sense

<anti-net_> I agree with LoudMouthMan

<LoudMouthMan> and how to get a IRC client and join the channel and how to join a mail list ?

<popey> I plan a guide to the desktop

<anti-net_> when I switched I just had to dig around to find advice on switching from Windows

<popey> ok, so a basic "getting involved" one?

<anti-net_> yeah

<anti-net_> so how to find stuff on the Wiki

<anti-net_> and ways of getting help if your stuck

<LoudMouthMan> yeah that would be cool . am I being clear that I am thinking about it from a Windows user desktop view .. outside o fthe technical issues.

<popey> a lot of that would be basic user training

<popey> how to search

<popey> how to ask questions

<popey> that kind of thing

<LoudMouthMan> hmmm but real basic .. like .. okay you get this far .. now go here for more information ?

<popey> i think that's a separate one

<LoudMouthMan> most people genionely dont know about wikis/forums/maillist and so forth.

<popey> getting involved != getting help

<popey> that's two separate guides IMO

<LoudMouthMan> hehe okay thats tru ebut they are pary for the triumverate

<popey> however getting help could ultimately lead to getting involved?

* popey has bought curry on the way home

<popey> and beer

<popey> and wine

* popey suspects that one of the following will happen

<LoudMouthMan> help->resolve->involve

<popey> 1) I will not record a screencast tonight

<popey> 2) I will, but it will come out rubbish and will clearly be drunk :)

<LoudMouthMan> drunk cast yeah !

<popey> ok, so 3 tutorials?

<popey> "How to find help"

<popey> "How to resolve problems"

<popey> "How to get involved"

<popey> ?

<LoudMouthMan> oh no.. sorry I just have this view in my head of a persons relationship to any [group|project|cluib|org]

<LoudMouthMan> but yes for me they are common reflections of basic needs within a community

<LoudMouthMan> How to find help, becomes how to give help.

<popey> ok

<popey> but for the purposes of screencasts..

<popey> ..baby steps

<LoudMouthMan> How to resolve problems, becomes find problems

<LoudMouthMan> getting invovled becomes returning a valye

<LoudMouthMan> but yeah .. sorry sociology stuff coming out there.

<LoudMouthMan> right time to fetch dinner. <grin>

<LoudMouthMan> later or is that l8r for jono ?

<anti-net_> Heh

<anti-net_> have a nice dinner LoudMouthMan

<anti-net_> ooo a new FLOSS Weekly is out

<C_Mooney> Evening all

<C_Mooney> I was wondering if someone can help me with a nvidia driver / xserver problem?

<popey> ola

<popey> what's up?

<C_Mooney> Just started my PC up, and xserver decided to break, got it back up and running by reconfigureing it

<C_Mooney> But i'm pretty sure now that its using the "restricted-modules" graphics driver, rather than nvidia's own binary blob

<popey> same thingo

<C_Mooney> Not sure, but also the nvidia drivers have been removed - not present in synaptic

<popey> both (evil) binary blobs

<C_Mooney> very true, but none the less exercising my right to choose

<popey> well that'll be why it doesn't work

<popey> you need nvidia-glx

<popey> if you want the binary one

<C_Mooney> tried to install it via synaptic but it wants to remove half my system to install it!

<popey> odd

<C_Mooney> eg GDM, most of the gnome packages, python, xorg etc

<C_Mooney> Any ideas?

<C_Mooney> Can i force synaptic or apt-get just to install nvidia-glx, without removing anything?

<C_Mooney> maybe I should be more clear, xserver now has "nv" being used rather than "nvidia" and i can't install the nvidia drivers because then synaptic wants to remove most of my core-system packages

<LoudMouthMan> hey popey got a min for prv .

<popey> blimey

<popey> good timing

<popey> just walked in

<popey> go!

<popey> \o/ free hosting for the screencasts

* popey uploads to the new host

<grifferz> SPLITTER

<popey> heh

<popey> the text and css will still be on your vps grifferz don't you worry

* LoudMouthMan keeps head down in that case

<popey> just not the big-ass media files that will cause me to go over my bandwidth allocation

<popey> unless you want to let me have free bandwidth?

<grifferz> makes sense

<popey> archive.org

<grifferz> though I think you would have had to try very hard to exceed the limit

<popey> I'm projected 3GB so far

<popey> and that's with < 100 downloads of only two videos

<popey> imagine what that would be like with 20 videos or more

<popey> and if they were RSSable like a podcast - each time I'd release the bandwidth would "shoot" up

<popey> the vps is still handy, being able to ftp it from the vps to archive.org at 400KB/s is very nice :)

<LoudMouthMan> isnt this where google video/youtube and libsyn are supposed to step in and be useful ?

<popey> well

<sonorous-> Xen is awesome. I have no need for a full-blown dedicated server for what I'd use one for, so Xen is ideal due to its reduced cost

<popey> here's what I do

<popey> good lord sonorous- is here too!?

<sonorous-> I've been here for yonks, just idling ;p

<popey> :)

<popey> "hello"

<sonorous-> and have consumed far too many beers tonight, so excuse

<sonorous-> heh, "evening"

<popey> LoudMouthMan: I upload the mpeg2 to google, it's better than youtube because it shows stuff at higher resolution

<LoudMouthMan> yeah bigger/wider/longer etc

<popey> also once you upload as mpeg2 they convert to mp4 (ipod) for you, so that's something i don't have to worry about

<popey> the problem is hosting these big files, the oggs etc

<LoudMouthMan> but I was more relating to bandwitdhs.

<popey> archive.org host for nothing

<popey> but google wont host ogg

<popey> or anything but flash streamed video

<sonorous-> note I mention Xen here because I have access to a UML and Xen's performance is much greater (even when taking into account how many other people share the CPU/memory etc)

<popey> and if you want it in any format *other* than ipod you HAVE to use the google player

<popey> whereas archive.org will just host whatever you like

<LoudMouthMan> I "know" there are many reasons for ogg. but will the entry level user entity need to care about that at the start ?

* LoudMouthMan ducks for cover.

<sonorous-> with all "virtual" solutions, one bottleneck can be disk usage, but hey

<popey> uhm

<popey> ogg is only one of the formats

<popey> I have made them in 4 formats now

<popey> ogg is just the easiest for us

<popey> and tbh I think it disingenuous for me to upload in lots of formats and not include ogg amongst them

<LoudMouthMan> yeah I saw. sorry it was just the host ogg thing. i guess. oh thats not where im going on that thought though

<popey> hosting any large popular media is going to cost money

<LoudMouthMan> my view is still from the outside looking in and we are a scary bunch !

<popey> HantsLUG have hosted all their talks on google since we started

<popey> s/google/archive.org

<popey> and only recently have we started putting them on google

<sonorous-> the world would be a much better place with lots more peering with reduced annual peering costs

<popey> however, since they have been on google they've had thousands of views

<LoudMouthMan> yeah because its like macdonalds vs perect little chip shop.

<LoudMouthMan> every one knows how to find a mcdonalds.

<popey> flash is evil blah blah, ogg is open blah blah

<popey> I'm just making stuff available to irritate the least number of people possible

<LoudMouthMan> my pov exactly

<LionsPhil> I appear to have confused apt. This is probably not good.

<LionsPhil> Attempting to upgrade to Edgy on this box errored out with “Could not calcuate the upgrade”, which appears to be the effect of having tried the Xgl/Compiz foo once upon a time.

<popey> back that out?

<LionsPhil> /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log's last line is “2006-11-10 22:56:09,371 DEBUG The package 'nvidia-glx-dev' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist”

<popey> take out the compiz repos from your sources.list and dpkg --purge the dodgy xserver and put back the right one?

<popey> get rid of all the binary nvidia stuff

<popey> go back to nv driver temporarily for the upgrade

<popey> makes life a lot nicer

<LionsPhil> Mmm. I've dropped the repositories a while ago, but couldn't figure out how to downgrade correctly.

<popey> you can always go back to the binary blob later

<LionsPhil> I'm running normal X.Org.

<popey> ditch the nvidia stuff

<LionsPhil> Which packages exactly? nvidia-glx and -glx-dev? And -kernel-common?

<LionsPhil> I may well have some things from the 3rd party Compiz kipple repositories installed, but I don't know how to tell Synaptic to go hunt down packages which aren't in any of my active repositories (the normal Ubuntu ones) any more.

<popey> nvidia-glx

<popey> get rid of both nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev

<popey> that should be enough

<LionsPhil> (Or how to downgrade to the only stable versions it can find without forcing a version, which sounds rather permenant.)

<LionsPhil> Mmm, 'kay.

<LionsPhil> Best remember to put those back before I reboot, mind.

<LionsPhil> Actually, better, hack xorg.conf.

<LionsPhil> Removal, or complete removal? (Do the -glx packages even /have/ config to zap?)

<popey> purge them and change xorg.conf to the nv driver

<popey> then restart x to make sure all is okay

<LionsPhil> Ah. At about this point, irssi in screen sounds like a more attractive proposition.

<LinuxPhil> Roight.

<LinuxPhil> Ok, well X still lives.

<LinuxPhil> And I'm going to guess that the hideous misalignment of my monitor means that the driver's changed, too.

<LinuxPhil> Excellent, it's prompting me to continue. Thanks a lot. =)

<popey> np

<LinuxPhil> Actually...you may well know. Is there a GTK+/GNOME tool for configuring X?

<popey> once you get the binary nvidia driver back in there's nvidia-settings

<LinuxPhil> While obviously useless for writing an initial x.conf, it might be helpful for improving a working one.

<popey> but that just does the video bit

<popey> yeah, I think there is one, but it's not gnome

<popey> it's motif or something

<LinuxPhil> Eurgh.

<popey> indeed

<LinuxPhil> Struck me as a missing part of GNOME/Ubuntu.

<LinuxPhil> Seemed kind of odd to have to touch config files with vim on an otherwise very-graphical distro just to set up proper resolutions.

<popey> you don't need to use vim

<popey> there's gedit :)

<LinuxPhil> Well, yes, but I like vim. ;)

<popey> gksudo gedit /etc/X11/Xorg.conf

<popey> loony

<anti-net_> bah, Nano <3

<LinuxPhil> Heh. At least it's not xemacs. ;P

<anti-net_> or Emacs

<LinuxPhil> Heck, I do most of my stuff in terminals.

<anti-net_> whats wrong with Emacs?

<LinuxPhil> One of the main things that attracted me to GNOME was that gnome-terminal is really, really good.

<LinuxPhil> anti-net_: It's 2006. I'm not getting into a Vim-vs-Emacs war on the Internet. ;)

<anti-net_> I was't starting a war, properly should have just asked why you didnt like Emacs

<LinuxPhil> Because I've never got on with the interface, whereas Vim's is transparent to me.

<anti-net_> fair enough

<LinuxPhil> You can't call Vim intuitive or friendly to new users by any stretch of the imagination.

<LinuxPhil> But if it "clicks", it's absolutely sublime.

<LinuxPhil> Interesting. Looks like the laptop needs a mkswap.

<LinuxPhil> It's checking hda1 due to number of mounts, which reveals that Activating swap failed.

<LinuxPhil> (On the line above, usually hidden in the graphics.)

<LinuxPhil> Probably where it failed to come out of hibernation that time. Just booted normally, aparrently blisfully unaware that there was a saved state to use.

<LionsPhil> Oooh, no. Bug. Edgy upgrade apparently edited fstab, and it converted the address of my swap partition incorrectly.

<LionsPhil> That's pretty nasty.

<LionsPhil> That, or mkswap created a new one (?)

<LionsPhil> What defines a partition's UUID? This is not a thing which I have seen before.

<popey> dunno

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