<str0ng> gud morning all

<str0ng> gud am jsgotangco

<jsgotangco> hi

<Alter-Ego> ACPT Compliant - what is this ?

<gnubee> !seen jond3rd

<butiki> gnubee: jond3rd was last seen in #ubuntu-ph 3 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <jond3rd> s/voise/voice

<gnubee> ok ... i need a primer on SASL :) anyone here who can explain what it does?

<gnubee> i'm doing kerberos-directory server-sasl combo ... it's the sasl part that i am having problems with

<gnubee> i dont even know what part it plays here

<gnubee> it is working ... just because i followed a howto ... but i want to know what's happening between those 3 services

<jsgotangco> si pusakat ang sanay diyan

<gnubee> ping pusakat !

<gnubee> lang kwenta google ... puro integration lang ang discussion ... di iniexplain kung paano nagco-communicate yung services

<gnubee> buti pa kerberos well covered hehehe

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<zakame> hi all

<Jucato> all hi! :)

<zakame> yo Jucato

<schoolboy> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

<Jucato> good pm schoo

<schoolboy> =) whats up whats up!?

<Jucato> the sky, the sun, the clouds

<schoolboy> hehe, oops.. i forgot =)

<schoolboy> what u doin now? very hot today ahhh

<Jucato> oo nga eh... trying to read stuff here

<schoolboy> me.. im looking for an ecard.

<Jucato> ecard?

<schoolboy> yep.. =) cheap

<Jucato> hehehe

<schoolboy> hallmark cards at the mall are expensive! i browsed kanina ...

<Jucato> bwahaha! go for the cheaper ones then

<plitskin> hi, is it now possible to save a file when running kubuntu/ubuntu on vmware player?

<schoolboy> still expensive.. i only had 20 pesos in my pocket ata yun =)

<schoolboy> hihihi

<Jucato> kaya naman pala...

<Jucato> plitskin: are you sure you are not restoring from a snapshot? (don't remember what it's called in VMWare player)

<plitskin> uhmmm... I just load the vmx file everytime I use VMWare player

<schoolboy> hinde ah.. i pass by the market on my way home everyday.. what if i accidentally stepped on tomatoes? :p

<Jucato> bwahaha

<schoolboy> i found a card!1 weeeeee sige.. brb muna

<schoolboy> byee byee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<schoolboy> =)

<Jucato> :P

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<ulinskie> ohh my .. firefox 2 rocks... i'm using chatzilla now

<ulinskie> zakame: hello, can u change the topic now?

<ulinskie> zakame: if ur free that is

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<rjian> lols zak

<Adames> lol

<Jucato> roflmao

<Jucato> that has got to be the best topic ever! :)

<rjian> hello kuya Jucato torres

<rjian> hehe

<rjian> yeah

<rjian> ahihihi

<Jucato> rjian: redundant. the "to" in Jucato already stands for Torres :P (maybe I should change that in Friendster...

<rjian> lols

<rjian> Kuya Jucato is an english major.. ahihi

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<Jucato> no I'm not :P

<rjian> wow

<ulinskie> zakame: thank u zak.. mwahh

<Jucato> nandun pa rin ung "per ulinskie's request" hehehe

<rjian> Edgy CDs have arrived, pick it up at the party <<< is that Free as in Libre pa rin?

<rjian> ahihi

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<rjian> uu nga eh

<rjian> kuya Jucato hehe

<rjian> punta ka?

<zakame> rjian: yeah, its free :)

<Jucato> rjian: hindi eh. unless may papalit sakin dito magbabantay sa lola ko

<rjian> sayang kuya Jucato...

<Jucato> ok lang. shy ako sa personal eh

<Jucato> IRC lang ako magulo

<rjian> ahihih

<rjian> cgi susulat me kung ano ano ang nangyari if pupunta me... hehe

<Jucato> rjian: cge. I expect a full recounting in ubuntu-ph.org :P

<Jucato> btw, we'll be expecting 2 articles next week, right? foss@work and the party?

<zakame> well I'd actually prefer to someplace with free wifi so we can have the party in irc too :)

<Jucato> bwahah :)

<Jucato> inspired by what they did in UDS MTV?

<zakame> yeah perhaps a gobby session :)

<zakame> I dunno anything about voip yet so bwar with me :)

<zakame> *bear

<Jucato> gusto ko rin sana i-try yung VOIP thingy nila eh...

<Jucato> kaso nakakahiya naman magpa-test ng setup just to "eavesdrop" :P

<Jucato> rjian: changed my profile name. removed the "Torres" because of redundancy bwahaha

<rjian> lols

<rjian> do i have to write an article on FOSS@WOrk??

<Jucato> kahit sino sa inyo na nag-attend ehehe

<Jucato> (para naman may laman site natin...)

<rjian> ahihi

<rjian> ala kasi ubuntu doon eh.. i dont know if JSG want it.. hehehe

<rjian> zak ok lng ba yun?

<Jucato> rjian: wala rin naman Ubuntu dun sa mindanao FOSS event right?

<zakame> yeah just post it, I'll moderate later

<Jucato> meaning: just post it, he'll reject it later :P

<Jucato> j/k

<rjian> Jucato: meron noh.. we give away 2 box of ubuntu cd's and stickers..

<Jucato> well, you can do the same in foss@work :P

<Jucato> besides nandun naman kayo ni ate ulinskie eh

<rjian> Jucato: dadala din me Ubuntu cd's to give away? ahihihi

<zakame> hmm y nat?

<rjian> zak.. ngek... hehe cgi na nga andyan naman is Maam Ulinskie she can also write about it... hehe

<ulinskie> I like dom's presentation on wiki

<ulinskie> How do you update your web site?

<ulinskie> – Still using HTML editors and FTP? Prehistoric!

<ulinskie> How many in here are using chatzilla?

<Jucato> not me :)

* Jucato hugs Konversation

* Jucato wonders if you can "embed" an IRC client like chatzilla in a tab in Firefox...

<zakame> Jucato: go to pjirc

<Jucato> aah.. java.... guess there's no other way right? :)

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<schoolboy> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

<mikhail^> zakame: you ther?

<mikhail^> *there?

<Jucato> hi schoolboy! :)

<Jucato> good pm kuya mikhail^!

<Jucato> just the man I was looking for :)

<schoolboy> hihihihi

<mikhail^> Jucato: no kuya please.

<Jucato> :(

<Jucato> ok

<Jucato> no kuya, no po, no sir

<mikhail^> Jucato: yup, you got it right. :)

<mikhail^> Jucato: what's up?

<schoolboy> ooh.. heya jucs

<Jucato> mikhail^: a question about C++ on Linux :)

<mikhail^> Jucato: fire away. :)

<Jucato> er.. general C pala...

<schoolboy> got dc!!!! grrr..

<schoolboy> Jucato: soo.. um.. how's your c++ thingy coming along?

<mikhail^> Jucato: sure...

<Jucato> I'm re-reading this old (1994) book about C (and some C++). I just discovered that conio.h doesn't work on Linux. are there any other Linux-specific differences I should be aware of?

<schoolboy> wahahaha.. dont include windows.h?? :p wahahaha

<mikhail^> Jucato: conio.h is Borland specific. Any book that's talking about C/C++ since 1994 should not be read.

<Jucato> schoolboy: hehe... buried myself in loads of links... now I don't know where to start

<Jucato> mikhail^: when was C++ standardized? 1998?

<schoolboy> Jucato: start from the beginning =)

<mikhail^> Jucato: That is the first standard released after the language was created in 1983

<mikhail^> Jucato: There was a non-normative 2003 enhancement (the Technical Report 1) which enhances the 98 standard.

<schoolboy> Jucato: show your first proggie naman =)

<schoolboy> hihihihi

<Jucato> schoolboy: that's the problem. finding which of the links to start with...

<Jucato> schoolboy: "Hello, Kubuntu!" in C :P

<mikhail^> Jucato: f*ck C, just do C++.

<mikhail^> Jucato: you don't need to learn C to do C++.

<schoolboy> Jucato: weee thats nice! hihihi

<Jucato> mikhail^: so I've read... unfortunately, the dead tree editions I have lying around the house is C... :(

<mikhail^> Jucato: that's a common misconception. C++ concepts are so different from C concepts that it doesn't make sense to mix the two anymore.

<Jucato> mikhail^: yeah. I've read some FAQ's yesterday... too bad... need to buy new books :P

<schoolboy> Jucato: wahahaha, so you're doing c++ na talaga?

<Jucato> I have a C++ book here, but: 1) it's 1997, 2) seems to presume you already have C or programming knowledge, and 3) not held in high regard (it seems)

<Jucato> schoolboy: C++ -> Qt -> KDE -> world domination

<mikhail^> Jucato: if that's your aim, it would be faster if you just learned Python then learned PyQt.

<schoolboy> hmmm chemistry -> nuke -> world domination

<mikhail^> schoolboy: I always thought it was Applied Physics -> Bombs -> Bigger Bombs + Anti-Semitism -> World Domination

<schoolboy> i stand corrected =)

<Jucato> schoolboy: nakakapagod mag chat ng nakatayo...

<Jucato> mikhail^: I was trying to really get into dirty KDE code, no fancy Python stuff first :)

<schoolboy> hihihi distracted ah

<mikhail^> Jucato: KDE? It's too big for its own sake... Too much bloat.

<Jucato> mikhail^: things are changing :)

<mikhail^> Jucato: but don't let that dissuade you from learning C++.

<mikhail^> Jucato: I certainly doubt.

<Jucato> and I want to see that for myself... and then judge

<schoolboy> yep.. but dont learn too much wahahahaha i'll get jealous

<mikhail^> Jucato: well, for starters you can download the source code and look na agad.

<mikhail^> Jucato: you don't need to know C++ to see how big it is for its own sake.

<Jucato> mikhail^: which would mean nothing to me, really... like buying a book in Chinese :)

<mikhail^> Jucato: much like how Windows is too big for its own sake. See Vista? It's taking too long to get released because XP was such a hog of a solution.

<schoolboy> we were taught c++ in our 1st yr college actually

<mikhail^> Jucato: actually, there are three things you need to look for in C++ code...

<mikhail^> 1) It should make sense to newbies

<mikhail^> 2) It should read more like english than anything else

<schoolboy> them people began talking about the templates thingy.. at that point. i got tired and tried something new

* Jucato waits for the 3rd...

<schoolboy> 3) it must help you get chicks

<mikhail^> 3) It should say what it's supposed to do without documentation.

<schoolboy> hihihi

<Jucato> "the source is the documentation"?

<mikhail^> schoolboy: templates are the best thing that happened to C++.

<mikhail^> Jucato: documentation should be reserved for those who do not read code.

<gnubee> why use templates when there is python? :)

<mikhail^> Jucato: when you write documentation, it should be read by people who don't read the code.

<Jucato> ah :)

<mikhail^> gnubee: because I can write your python components with templates and high-performance compiled C++.

<str0ng> gud pm all :)

<schoolboy> hihihi, i'm simply just a student trying to make his way thru 1st yr college at that time.. so it wasn't interesting

<gnubee> mikhail^, yeah and your code would probably have 10x the number of bugs :)

<mikhail^> gnubee: I certainly doubt...

<Jucato> schoolboy: but now you study ELF stuff

<mikhail^> gnubee: have you seen Boost.Python ?

<schoolboy> so that chicks can notice me.. yes =))

<gnubee> mikhail^, nah

<mikhail^> gnubee: check that first, then tell me again I'll be introducing 10x more bugs with C++.

<gnubee> i have decided to settle with python after years of wrestling with c++

* ulinskie I love both c++ and python... I just doubt know if they feel the same =)

* ulinskie I love both c++ and python... I just doubt it if they feel the same =)

<mikhail^> ulinskie: apples and oranges. :)

<Jucato> hm.. apples...

* str0ng Duke Rox! heheeheheh

<mikhail^> gnubee: obviously you didn't do C++ the right way. :)

<schoolboy> hmm i dont know what i like... :(

<ulinskie> mikhail^: i'm an avocado and mango girl

<str0ng> hello ulinskie :)

<gnubee> mikhail^, c++ is overkill for 99.99% of what i do

<mikhail^> gnubee: I've been doing C++ the past 7 years, and I never felt like I was making too many cartwheels.

<gnubee> and besides if it really has to run fast i can code it in C++ and embed in python

<mikhail^> gnubee: if you're doing web stuff, check out Witty. http://witty.sourceforge.net/

<ulinskie> hey str0ng .. hope ur not feeling weak... heheh corny ko naman

<str0ng> hehe..

<gnubee> mikhail^, check out my cluster project in python: sourceforge.net/projects/broke-aid

<Jucato> no, str0ng just needs a cup of Java coffee to feel strong :)

<str0ng> hehehe..

<mikhail^> gnubee: I don't think it's about being fast... I think it's about being powerful using as much resources effectively as possible.

<schoolboy> java.. eew.. now that's my hatest

<str0ng> hahahaa

<ulinskie> c++ vs python.. its like choosing from piolo pascual and sam milby....

<Jucato> in the left corner: schoolboy!! in the right corner: str0ng!!! FIGHT!!

<str0ng> battle of languages :)

<gnubee> mikhail^, power == doing the most number of things in the least amount of time ... coding takes time ... 100x more if done in c++

<mikhail^> gnubee: depends... have you seen the Boost C++ libs?

<str0ng> python vs c++..... Java wins... heheehehehe

<gnubee> mikhail^, i havent bothered and i havent seen it

<mikhail^> gnubee: then talk to me again about how to code fast in C++ when you have. ;)

<mikhail^> gnubee: btw, if you're doing clustered stuff, you should look at MPI, and Boost.MPI. That's the real clustered library.

* Jucato notes that mikhail^ is the C++/Boost man

<gnubee> mikhail^, there are several types of cluster ... mine is HA

* ulinskie notes not to comment anything about c++ when mikhail^ is around and on python when gnubee is around

<str0ng> mikhail^, (c++), gnubee (python)

<mikhail^> gnubee: ah, in which case you want to look at implementing smart network edge clustering.

<gnubee> adn there is no sense in using python for HPC so there is no argument there

<mikhail^> gnubee: or in your case, I see it's storage. :)

<schoolboy> weeeee... marami experts

<Jucato> str0ng (java)

<schoolboy> the rest of us can shut up and listen na lang.. hihihihi para we can learn something

<str0ng> hehe..

<gnubee> mikhail^, ask me how long it took to write my project

<mikhail^> gnubee: you might want to look at Asynchronous IO solutions using Boost.ASIO

* str0ng ill just listen to them.. :)

<mikhail^> gnubee: I see you've had it available since August

* str0ng watch.. and learn..

<gnubee> that is the public availability

* Jucato gets confused with all the fast scrolling lines...

<schoolboy> we can talk about girls too if you want :)) mwahahaha

<gnubee> the working code was done overnight

<Jucato> :)

<mikhail^> gnubee: good for you. :) how does it scale? :D

<gnubee> no way you can do that in C++ unless your surname is stroustrop

<mikhail^> gnubee: btw, just for the record, I wrote a Networked logging server in 4 hours. Ask zakame

* Jucato is now known as Jucato Stroustropsoup

* str0ng gosling hehehe

<mikhail^> gnubee: Stroustrup isn't the best in C++ coding. I know more brilliant people than him.

<gnubee> mikhail^, how many lines of code were there?

<mikhail^> gnubee: he just came up with the language.

<mikhail^> gnubee: enough to give me the ability to handle 500,000 messages in 30 seconds.

* str0ng stroustrup vs van russom na naman to ngayon

<gnubee> your network logging server

<gnubee> wc it

<Jucato> wc -l <-- favorite way to check how many packages are installed :P

<mikhail^> gnubee: well i don't know about that... but in my estimates it's a few hundred lines of code.

<gnubee> a few hundreds

<mikhail^> gnubee: that gives me multi-threaded, high performance, stable and scalable solution.

<mikhail^> gnubee: of course, I can do with less in Python I know

<mikhail^> gnubee: but that's not what I was going for. :)

<Jucato> second round: in the left corner: mikhail^!!! in the right corner: gnubee!!! FIGHT!

* Jucato gets some popcorn, sits back, and watches

<schoolboy> so tapos na fight namin ni str0ng? hmm

* str0ng i wonder.. how they came into that topic heheeh

<Jucato> schoolboy: oo, tahimik nyo na eh

<Jucato> str0ng: because of me :P

<str0ng> hmmm..

<schoolboy> hihihihi i just asked about jucato's c++ thingy and things sparked

<gnubee> mikhail^, that project is also multithreaded, network capable, stable, and i trust the makers of the python libs

<mikhail^> gnubee: but then writing the initial solution in 4 hours gave me more time for profiling and tuning. :)

<ulinskie> kasalanan ni Jucato

<str0ng> heheh..

* Jucato takes his popcorn and hides in a corner

<gnubee> i like this discussion :)

<mikhail^> gnubee: how do you do multi=threaded with Python's GIL ?

<schoolboy> me too me too

<Jucato> I like the scrolling lines :)

<mikhail^> I like this discussion too. :)

<str0ng> hehehe..

<schoolboy> hihihihi

<schoolboy> and continue with yourc++ thingy while youre at it

<gnubee> mikhail^, just the built-in python threading module

<str0ng> for the record.. this is just a discussion :) heheeh

<mikhail^> gnubee: so that's not _real_ threading right, because that's simulated in the python interpreter right?

<gnubee> mikhail^, and yeah it has a GUI too

<gnubee> mikhail^, oh yes it is

* mikhail^ hates GUI's

<Jucato> str0ng: tell that to them :P

<ulinskie> its like telling Stallman that windows is better kindda argument,

<str0ng> hehe..

<gnubee> you can telnet into the server many times if you want

<schoolboy> if you reach templates.. send me a note hihihi

<str0ng> ive been into that kind of discussion too.. with my friends..

<str0ng> at the end.. we only have on conclusion..

<gnubee> i like C++ dont get me wrong ... but it's just overkill for what i do

<gnubee> i spent like 9 years coding in C++

<Jucato> str0ng: what is it?

<str0ng> Jucato, nasa baso lang ang ending nyan..

<Jucato> basagan ng baso sa ulo?

* str0ng tagay mo na Jucato

<Jucato> aaah

<mikhail^> gnubee: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/Basic-Threading-in-Python/

<gnubee> my C++ program is still being used by Intel for their processor production line

<schoolboy> waw.. at least you had the passion to stick to c++ for 9 yrs

<str0ng> hehehe..

<mikhail^> gnubee: great. :)

<gnubee> and yes it also had GUI

<mikhail^> quote: Before we begin to look at the code that makes threading work, the most important feature we must look at is Python's global interpreter lock. If two or more threads were to attempt to manipulate the same object at the same time, problems would inevitably pop up. The global interpreter lock fixes this. Only one thread can perform an action at any given time.

<gnubee> but i'm tired of C++

<gnubee> mikhail^, yes you need to take care of locks when threading in python

* Jucato only knows of Forum and mailing list threads... sewing threads too

<schoolboy> Jucato: me too me too.. =))

<mikhail^> gnubee: when did you stop doing C++?

* mikhail^ still hates GUI's.

<mikhail^> hehehe

* mikhail^ will do everything to stay away from creating GUI's in C++ or any other language.

<gnubee> mikhail^, when i became a sysadmin

<Jucato> bwahah! GUI programming in C++ using Qt :P

<mikhail^> gnubee: which is what, a couple years ago?

<gnubee> 2001

<gnubee> got hooked with perl then python

<mikhail^> gnubee: ah. 2001, 1 year pa lang ang Boost C++ nun IIRC. Now it's going strong, and Regex, a parser library, a threading library, and an asynchronous IO lib is already there.

<mikhail^> gnubee: recently, a submission from Adobe for a Generic Image Library got accepted too.

<mikhail^> gnubee: pretty much everything you would ask for in a modern programming language is in C++ already.

<gnubee> mikhail^, can you give me a link to this boost thingy?

<mikhail^> gnubee: http://boost.org/

<mikhail^> :D

* mikhail^ thinks he won't convince gnubee to do C++ anytime soon. ;-)

* str0ng and mikhail^ are cousins

<str0ng> heheeh..

<mikhail^> str0ng: cousins?

<str0ng> hahaha..

<str0ng> c++/Java are just cousins..

<gnubee> mikhail^, sysadmins dont do much hardcore coding

<gnubee> more like config and text file parsing

<mikhail^> gnubee: which is why I don't do system administration. :D

<gnubee> which you can do with perl and python

<gnubee> mikhail^, to each his own

<schoolboy> Jucato: tau pala? we dont have any language to sell in particular? hehe

<Jucato> tama nga si str0ng... in the end... sa baso din pala ang kakahantungan :P

<mikhail^> gnubee: yup. :) but I use C++ to write the services that you administer. :D

<Jucato> schoolboy: Tagalog and _____ ?

<mikhail^> str0ng: HELL NO.

<gnubee> mikhail^, if i cant fix it then it is a bug

<gnubee> :)

<mikhail^> gnubee: of course. hehehe

<str0ng> hahahah

<str0ng> ayun..

<str0ng> di pala cousins..

<schoolboy> tagalog and english.. i can speak a little spanish too =)

<mikhail^> str0ng: anak sa labas yang t*ngin*ng Java na yan.

<Jucato> ay Latin pa pala :)

<Jucato> roflmao

* str0ng my own opinion.. " all programming languages derived from C are cousings"

<Jucato> round 3: in the left corner: mikhail^!! in the right corner: str0ng!!!

<str0ng> hahaha

<schoolboy> ooh yeah =)

<str0ng> lolo na si C

<str0ng> anak nya si C++

<ulinskie> str0ng: talo ka... c pacquiao si mikhail^

<mikhail^> str0ng: I don't think that's an accurate assesment of programming languages.

<Jucato> lol

<str0ng> hmm..

* Jucato watches round 3 with delight

<mikhail^> C++ is the superset of C

<str0ng> but.. they are really just derivatives

<schoolboy> huy pero its nice to learn c ah

<mikhail^> str0ng: not really.

<ulinskie> str0ng: lagot ka...

<Jucato> str0ng: bleh! :P

<schoolboy> oops sorry lang .. di pala me kasali :p hihihi

<Jucato> str0ng: mukhang basag na baso ang kahahantungan nito :)

<str0ng> hmm.. well.. depends on opinions..

<Jucato> schoolboy: D na lang tayo?

<mikhail^> str0ng: I hardly doubt opinion has a place in analytics.

<mikhail^> correction.

<schoolboy> Jucato: hihihihi X pala? :p i like X

<Jucato> Xt :)

<mikhail^> I mean, I certainly doubt opinion has a place in analytics.

<str0ng> from my perspective.. they are all the same.. they can solve problem with respect to their capabilities

<Jucato> schoolboy: extended ang round 3 :)

<str0ng> u wont probably do a small script.. from c++?

<mikhail^> str0ng: of course, C++ code is not a script.

<str0ng> just to automatically kill users from the system..

<str0ng> see?

<str0ng> heehehe..

<mikhail^> str0ng: but, I can write that thing which kills users in a system with C++.

<schoolboy> Jucato: uu =) referee na lang tau

<str0ng> hmmm..

<Jucato> schoolboy: kaw na lang. audience lang ako.

<mikhail^> str0ng: without that utility, your script will be toothless.

<str0ng> my point is.. they have its own advantages/disadvantages.. they are incomparable.. as long as the problem is solve :)

<mikhail^> str0ng: check the binaries you're using, most probably they're written in C or C++.

<schoolboy> Jucato: hehehe pero one sided me palagi eh.. :p

<str0ng> hmm..

<Jucato> schoolboy: syempre... kung two sided ka, e di dapat may mukha ka rin sa likod....

<str0ng> mikhail^, yeah.. depends on the language.. creating a GUI apps in C++ is pain in the *ss.

<schoolboy> like a coin =)

<schoolboy> hehe

<str0ng> depends on the problem

<str0ng> u can use any of those tools.. depends on the problem ure solving..

* Jucato thought that C++ is the "natural" language for GUI... (more than C, at least...)

<mikhail^> str0ng: yup. Though Adobe's Adam and Eve UI system look like good replacements to the MFC and Qt, and Gtk interfaces of the world.

<Jucato> oops... balik sa bench

<mikhail^> str0ng: http://opensource.adobe.com/

<Jucato> ATL?

<str0ng> i see..

<schoolboy> natural language for GUI? whahahaha vb... where's rjian ? sayang

<Jucato> lol

<mikhail^> Jucato: ATL is the Active Template Library. It's a Miscrosoft specific thingy.

<Jucato> ah... ano ba ung sa Adobe?

<Jucato> ayun! ASL

<str0ng> well.. thats still a sort of mastery seguro

<mikhail^> Jucato: ASL -- Adobe Source Library.

<zakame> a cat is fine too

<str0ng> all languages has its own Ups/downs

<ulinskie> gtg

<Jucato> bye ate ulinskie!

<Jucato> zakame: a cat?

* Jucato loves cats

<str0ng> cat /var/log/messages

<str0ng> heheeh

<gnubee> i hate BASIC and it's derivatives

<Jucato> schoolboy: VB (and VC++) is not a language, afaik. they're just "implementations"

<mikhail^> zakame: how's the profiling going? :D

<mikhail^> gnubee: I second that motion.

<Jucato> can I third?

<Jucato> (although I started with QBasic a long time ago)

<schoolboy> Jucato: wahahahah i didn't know that!! pero its nice parin if rjian was here so that _we_ can spark more flames

<gnubee> whoever created that language needs a serious mental medication LOL

<str0ng> well.. they are just tools.. :)

<schoolboy> *devil grin*

<gnubee> you are what you code

<gnubee> hahahaha

<mikhail^> gnubee: I think you're talking about Bill Gates himself. :P

<zakame> mikhail^: note done yet as I'm helping clair set up etch on picard so we can use it together with perlis for the profiling/bombarding

<schoolboy> wahahahah <- *devil laff too*

<gnubee> mikhail^, i wouldnt be surprised

<Jucato> that makes str0ng a coffee or rice, gnubee a snake, and mikhail^ ah.. um. an object or class?

<str0ng> yeha.. bill created basic himself..

<mikhail^> zakame: ah, okay... bakit? anong problema ni picard?

<zakame> c'mon guys everyone knows the right language is bf

<str0ng> Jucato, meron din namang object/classes sa Coffee.. heheeh

<schoolboy> "you are what you code" < -waw!! this sounds profound!! totally

<mikhail^> Jucato: what?

<zakame> mikhail^: reinstall, slackware'stoo painful

<Jucato> str0ng: nawalan lang ako ng punch line....

<mikhail^> zakame: hahahahaha

<mikhail^> zakame: oh, I thought picard was the one with the 19" LCD

<zakame> no that's ragnanathan

* mikhail^ is not looking back to his slackware fanboy zealot days.

<Jucato> mikhail^: sabi ni gnubee kasi, "you are what you code". so str0ng would be a (Java) coffee, gnubee would be a (Python) snake... just ran out of ideas for C++ :P

<mikhail^> zakame: what'd she name it, ragnarok? :D

<str0ng> heeh

<schoolboy> c++, hmmm

<str0ng> sige na.. tagay na tayo!

<Jucato> schoolboy: what would you be?

<mikhail^> Jucato: hahaha. okay. :)

<str0ng> malapit na yung "at the end" of the topic eh

<Jucato> str0ng: no coffees please :P

<Jucato> str0ng: ssshhh!!! hindi nga nila napansin na nag change topic na eh

<zakame> good c++ is extremely redable, even without commments

<schoolboy> well the only thing that comes to my mind is c = chicks... so c++ siguru is (casanova)

<Jucato> schoolboy: hehe panay chicks talaga

<schoolboy> Jucato: me me me? i'm not good in any language in particular.. so wala.. _blank_

<str0ng> c++ = dalawang chicks

<Jucato> bwahaha!

*** zakame changes topic to "Edgy Release Party on November 15 2006, 7pm @ greenbelt. Help getting there? /msg zakame | Edgy CDs have arrived, pick it up at the party | Suggest a better venue | This topic's changed per ulinskie's request. | Thanks for the kiss. | `google <language> sucks' teaches a lot"

<schoolboy> Jucato: yep! im the expert pag chicks ang topic :p mwahahaha

<mikhail^> zakame: hmmm... that's the PLUG board meeting.

<Jucato> lol @ the topic change

<zakame> mikhail^: what, the date?

<mikhail^> zakame: yes, date and time.

<zakame> mikhail^: coincidentally its also the date for the foss bill hearing

<zakame> not the time though

<Jucato> O_o

<gnubee> para wala nang away sa computer languages maglaro na lang kayo ng family computer

* mikhail^ wants to burn the f'in FOSS bill.

<Jucato> gnubee: what language was used to code those games? bwahahaha

<schoolboy> Jucato: siguru i'll go for asm na lang for my fave language or the language i'll sell

<Jucato> heheh

* Jucato wonders if knowledge of asm will still be essential in his studies...

<gnubee> Jucato, C ata

<gnubee> hehee

<str0ng> <Jucato> gnubee: what language was used to code those games? bwahahaha <--- online games? Java of course heheheeh

<mikhail^> Jucato: You can choose between basic and C.

<schoolboy> Jucato: perhaps it would.. perhaps it wont

<Jucato> str0ng: not the MMORPG ones definitely lol. saka he said family computer games!

<gnubee> ok lang Java basta wag lang GUI

* mikhail^ thinks Java is bloatware.

<schoolboy> java is super off limits

<str0ng> ahahaah

<Jucato> oops....

<schoolboy> c++ is ok as long as wala templates

<Jucato> me and my big mouth... :(

<zakame> think of this when fighting: http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1163127113604.jpg

<Jucato> c++ is ok as long as walang ++?

<mikhail^> schoolboy: hmmm... I don't know... have you even tried using templates?

<schoolboy> Jucato: yep! that too

<schoolboy> mikhail^: nope

<Jucato> zakame: they're not fighting.they're having a very serious and passionate intellectual discussion :)

<mikhail^> schoolboy: i guess you haven't used the standard template library yet.

<schoolboy> mikhail^: yep

<mikhail^> schoolboy: then I suppose that's what your apprehention is comping from.

<mikhail^> schoolboy: I think you can't assess templates objectively if you haven't used it yet.

<schoolboy> mikhail^: yep =)

* str0ng getting out of pointers.. heheehe

<Jucato> schoolboy: bleh! :P

<Jucato> mikhail^: generally, should I avoid any C++ material that is pre 1998?

<mikhail^> Jucato: yes.

<Jucato> yay! need new books :P

<mikhail^> Jucato: look at material that's dated 2003 or newer.

<mikhail^> str0ng: surprisingly (you can ask zakame), you don't need to deal with pointers directly in modern C++.

<str0ng> anyway.. all OOP languages.. are just the same.. heheeh as long as they can solve a particular problem.. ok na yun :)

<schoolboy> mikhail^: its more of a "feeling" lang na i dont want templates =)

* Jucato puts Schildt's Teach yourself C++ back into the shelf...

<Jucato> schoolboy: parang yung feeling ko na I don't want GTK? :P

<str0ng> mikhail^, ahh.. ok.. di na kasi ako updated sa c++ :(

<Jucato> (or gktmm for that matter)

<schoolboy> i've no knowledge whatsoever about templates. i'll give you that. so it all boils down to "feelings" lang =)

<zakame> yes, especiall bullschildt

<mikhail^> str0ng: C++ is a multi-paradigm programming language. You can do procedural, object oriented, functional, and distributed programming.

<zakame> actually even c learners should avoid that

<Jucato> zakame: ah.. so you're one of those who thinks it sucks?

<mikhail^> schoolboy: sorry, but you can't make any concrete arguments with just a feeling.

<schoolboy> Jucato: you dont want gtk? hihihihi =)

<Jucato> schoolboy: maka Qt ako :P

<mikhail^> Jucato: Gtk is an abomination. Gtkmm is an attempt at making it C++ compatible, but I don't like it either.

<schoolboy> mikhail^: yep. i agree with your statement too. hihihihi still, my feelings are my feelings

<mikhail^> schoolboy: I rather you keep them to yourself. :D

<Jucato> my first programming book as Schildt's Teach yourself Turbo C/C++. didn't remember much of it :P

<schoolboy> mikhail^: nope. its a free country

<mikhail^> Jucato: Qt should be the best C++ UI (that's open source and highly available and recognizable) toolkit if you intend to write C++ apps that have GUI's.

<mikhail^> schoolboy: yup, that's why I'm telling you I rather you keep them to yourself.

<Jucato> mikhail^: that's why I'm going to study it :)

<gnubee> mikhail^, i disagree with that and would highly recommend wxWidgets

<str0ng> eheeheeh..

<mikhail^> gnubee: Oh, I overlooked wxWidgets.

<zakame> Jucato: http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/bullschildt.html

<Jucato> ok, that's minus 2 books I need to read :P

<mikhail^> gnubee: you're right. WxWidgets are cross platform and work quite well.

* str0ng AWT, SWING here.. :)

<mikhail^> str0ng: bloat? :D

<mikhail^> hahaha

<schoolboy> mikhail^: ahh okie okie =) hihihi waw.. i wonder how ___ would react wahahahah

<Jucato> except that wxWidgets uses GTK on Linux....

<str0ng> gnubee, i tried wxwidgets sometime, and yeah.. its cool :)

<schoolboy> mikhail^: sorry man.. i was just being a troll.. =)

<Jucato> so it's cross platform, not cross-DE.. :(

<mikhail^> Jucato: but you don't have to deal with Gtk when you do wxWidgets

<schoolboy> pero really you handle things pretty well.. mwahahahahaha

<str0ng> python+wxwidgets..

<Jucato> zakame: just my luck... buti na lang mura lang ung book. 2nd hand hehehe

<str0ng> good combination

<zakame> Jucato: don't worry I had a schildt book too, good thing it's back in daet

<mikhail^> Jucato: should you care about cross-DEness if you want to write cross-platform solutions?

<Jucato> mikhail^: yeah. I just find it strange that wxWidgets (C++ based) still uses GTK (C based) on Linux, even after the licensing issues...

<schoolboy> its __ was here.. he would have told me to grow up by now.. *sigh*.. call me gay.. but i somehow miss the guy ;)

<Jucato> mikhail^: nah. I'm going to focus on KDE lol

<Jucato> schoolboy: gay :P

<mikhail^> schoolboy: I don't know who you're talking about.

<schoolboy> mikhail^: for my own sake kasi, i cant blurt out any names :D wahahahahaha

<Jucato> schoolboy: btw, joke lang ung pagtawag ko sayo ng "___" ha? sabi mo kasi call you that eh :P

<str0ng> anyway.. nice talking with you guys :) heheeh

<str0ng> aga ako uuwi ngayon.. :)

<mikhail^> Jucato: KDE or otherwise, learn Modern C++. That will work on the major platforms that have standards compliant C++ compilers.

<schoolboy> Jucato: nah.. its ok its ok hihihihi

<Jucato> Modern C++? is that a book, a style, or a tradition? @_@

<mikhail^> Jucato: that's a technique of using C++ language features and design techniques to your advantage.

<Jucato> ah

<mikhail^> Jucato: without having to resort to just the "traditional object oriented programming" paradigm.

<schoolboy> me and my hs friends used to call each other gay.. it became our by-word hehehe

* Jucato tries to purge pre-200 links in his bookmarks

<Jucato> schoolboy: ingat. baka magkatotoo. bwahaha

<Jucato> er... pre-2000 pala

<gnubee> http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/bullschildt.html <--------------- now that is funny

<gnubee> i had one of his books though and it was quite alright

<schoolboy> Jucato: de ah :p wahahahah

<gnubee> herbert schildt

<Jucato> gnubee: I had one, too.lost it. then I have an old one right now. 1997 Teach Yourself C++

<Jucato> back then, I thought he was the man. :P

<gnubee> Jucato, yeah ... then i got the book by Stan Kelly Bootle ... awesome

<schoolboy> at least you have books.. me wala eh :( i just rely on google :(

<mikhail^> Jucato: I read "Teach Yourself C++ in 21 days"

<schoolboy> books are expensive here :((

<Jucato> schoolboy: they are expensive in the whole Philippines!

<mikhail^> Jucato: that's how I learned C++, pero I learned a lot by experimenting on my own and reading from the net.

<gnubee> just got myself the latest O'reilly Programming Python ... best python book so far

<Jucato> mikhail^: it's a good book? hindi ba medyo DOS/Windows oriented sya?

<mikhail^> gnubee: How do you like "Dive into Python" :)

<gnubee> mikhail^, too fast

<schoolboy> i cant even afford a greeting card :( we have a book fair in school recently.. the c++ books cost 700 pesos

<Jucato> mikhail^: there's a book "Teach Yourself C++ on Linux in 21 days" I think...

<mikhail^> Jucato: It gave me a glimpse into C++ programming, which was already standards compliant.

<gnubee> very true to its title

<schoolboy> maya 7 books cost 1500 pesos.. :(

* zakame doesn't know any language too much

<schoolboy> zakame: me too me too

<mikhail^> gnubee: well, that's how I learned to use Python. :) Used it right away for a production "quick and dirty" solution for a previous client.

<mikhail^> gnubee: no GUI take note. :))

* Jucato also makes a mental note that mikhail^ hates GUI's... (and not to ask him about those...)

* mikhail^ dabbled a bit on MFC GUI programming... Didn't like it one bit.

<Jucato> hi kuya irvin

<schoolboy> i did gtk in the past too. didnt like it

<mikhail^> Jucato: the main reason is that I mostly write system applications -- servers, etc.

<gnubee> my favorite tool in windoze is C++ Builder

<irvin> hey

<irvin> sorry Jucato di ako nakalabas

<Jucato> mine was Dev C++ (during those times I did some programming)

<gnubee> mikhail^, you should have used the cookbook instead :)

<Jucato> irvin: ok lang po. medyo may sakit ako anyway...

<mikhail^> gnubee: Oh! You should see the Visual Studio Express edition... Allows you to use the C++ tools for free, of course in non-commercial settings.

<str0ng> mikhail^, dyan nag va-vary ang programming languages.. depends on the problem :) and depends on the software your writing. :)

<gnubee> mikhail^, i hate MFC although it gave me a good start on wxWidgets

<schoolboy> mikhail^: free? you mean like "a poor student like me can dload it" kinda free?

<gnubee> yep

<mikhail^> str0ng: I know, but my assesment of programming languages are based on the paradigms that you're allowing: LISP has list processing and functional programming, Java has pure OO, Python has a mix of OO and other things, and C++ has multi-paradigm programming.

<Jucato> schoolboy: yes

<zakame> schoolboy: so far my experience has taken me to c, c++, elisp, asm, python, java, and ore recently c#

<gnubee> free as in girlfriend

<mikhail^> schoolboy: hell yeah.

<str0ng> mikhail^, i agree with you on that :)

<Jucato> schoolboy: they're offering VC++ for free now

<schoolboy> zakame: waw! that'll look good on any resume =)

<gnubee> but then why bother if you have Linux and all sorts of compilers and libs?

<schoolboy> i only do c eh

<mikhail^> schoolboy: yup, and that's why we want Zak on our team. :P

<gnubee> schoolboy, one word: anjuta

<schoolboy> but no substantial C to actually find work :((

<mikhail^> gnubee: I used to use Anjuta, but I don't like dealing with the idiocincracies. Dev-C++ might be better when you're in Windows.

<Jucato> schoolboy: C++ does C too, to a certain extend... (also depends on the compiler, I guess)

<zakame> schoolboy: but those are just languages; I still lack experience, especially some design experience

<schoolboy> juca extern "C"

<zakame> remember I did maintenance most of the time, so there's no real innovation there

<zakame> except for some new pkgs of course ;)

<schoolboy> zakame: me too! me too! pero in my case.. purely hobby lang

* mikhail^ thinks he should be called "Dean Michael 'The Firestarter' Berris"

<zakame> schoolboy: that's how I started too :D

* Jucato wants to start as a hobbyist, but wants to eventually find work... maybe in O&B, or even in Canonical :P

<mikhail^> Jucato: send me your resume, and let's see what we can do. We need graphic artists and web design people you know...

<mikhail^> Jucato: dean@orangeandbronze.com

<Jucato> mikhail^: well not right now... I'm going to have to wait for my lola to... ____________

<Jucato> or something...

<schoolboy> zakame: hehehe also, i must feel motivated din

<mikhail^> Jucato: malay mo pwede natin gawin na work from home ka

<Jucato> hm... I'll think about it po. thanks for the offer :)

<mikhail^> Jucato: no po please... :)

<Jucato> (nakakainis at Philo pa kinuha kong course...)

<Jucato> mikhail^: hehe ok.I forgot :P

<mikhail^> Jucato: pwede pa naman yata mag-shift eh... Or mag aral ulit. :D

<schoolboy> Jucato: im doing cs, my life is miserable :(( huhuhu

<mikhail^> schoolboy: saan?

<zakame> Jucato: remember paul Graham

<schoolboy> mikhail^: adzu :(

<Jucato> mikhail^: mag-aral uli. but for the same reason I can't look for a job right now, I can't

<Jucato> zakame: um... yeah (I think) :)

<Jucato> zakame: that's why I'm spending all this free time self-studying

<mikhail^> schoolboy: Hang in there... You'll appreciate the concepts when you get into the industry. Trust me. :D

<schoolboy> Jucato: what you self-studying agen?

<Jucato> schoolboy: palit tayo ng course? (kaso grad na ako)

<Jucato> schoolboy: which one? :P

<schoolboy> hihihi self-study sometimes gets lonely

<mikhail^> schoolboy: even if automata theory and prepositional logic don't make sense now, it's going to make sense when you start working in IT.

<Jucato> schoolboy: mainly C++ and Linux, with side "courses" in web design and computer graphics...

<mikhail^> zakame: hindi ba Ubuntu yung nakalagay ka Ragnarok ?

<schoolboy> mikhail^: but the math blows :( we have automata too this sem and i only go to class because.. may cute chick during cs

<schoolboy> hihihi

<mikhail^> schoolboy: Oh the Math is going to make so much sense later on.

<mikhail^> schoolboy: Especially the matrix stuff.

<Jucato> schoolboy: baka naman kasi akala mo noon CS = ChickS ?

<mikhail^> schoolboy: that's if you want to make it into the really really high tech stuff.

<mikhail^> schoolboy: huwag ka gumaya sakin na hindi pa graduate at 23 years old na

<schoolboy> wahahaha.. back then while i was still choosing, i rated the courses i'll take in college by the number of math subjects i'll take .. bcn -> bsac -> bscs

<schoolboy> bc/bsn

<schoolboy> so i was a nursing student before =)

* mikhail^ gets heart broken when a form asks what year he's graduated.

<Jucato> schoolboy: or wag ka rin tumulad sakin, graduate na, 23 na, pero eto, walang nararating :P

<schoolboy> hihihihi

<zakame> mikhail^: yeah, she's working on it atm

<mikhail^> zakame: hindi ba pwede dun i-run yung client?

<Jucato> mikhail^: Deitel & Deitel? is it a good book?

<Jucato> (C++ How to Program)

<mikhail^> Jucato: about what? (sorry, I'm bad with authors and titles)

<schoolboy> Jucato: a certification in linux would look nice on any resume too

<Jucato> mikhail^: C++ How to Program. yung purple cover with bees as mascots

<mikhail^> Jucato: hmmm... just make sure it teaches you standards compliance, the STL, templates, and the basics on OOP

<Jucato> schoolboy: of course. applying for IT related jobs, with a AB Philosophy in your resume doesn't look good :P

<mikhail^> schoolboy: certifications mean squat if you don't know your stuff. I'll hire someone who knows his stuff over someone who has all sorts of things on his resume anytime.

<Jucato> mikhail^: ah. I think it does. I'll probably check next week. (bigat kasi yung SAMS eh.. sa bulsa at sa weight...)

<mikhail^> schoolboy: I'll hire an undergrad over a grad anytime basta the undergrad knows how to solve problems and be effective. Everything else he doesn't know yet can be learned or taught, but the attitude is something you can't learn.

<mikhail^> schoolboy: walang kwenta ang degree kung wala ka nung attitude that makes an effective professional.

<schoolboy> mikhail^: so..any candidates so far? hehe

<Jucato> or "the attitude is something you won't be taught in schools"

<mikhail^> schoolboy: well, Zak's working with us, and he's not done yet with school.

<Jucato> pero parang masama rin naman diba ung puro attitude/hangin?

<mikhail^> schoolboy: JM Ibanez is working with us and he's not yet done with school either.

<mikhail^> Jucato: that's where you separate the men from the boys. If you don't know your stuff, then you won't fool someone who does.

<schoolboy> ahh well now, arent they gifted.. and passionate about their stuff too

<schoolboy> hihihihi

<mikhail^> schoolboy: yun yung importante, yung passion and yung attitude.

<Jucato> they're certainly gifted...

<schoolboy> Jucato: tau pala? hihihihihi im gifted in lying and teasing =) waahahah im passionate about those! :D

<mikhail^> schoolboy: I don't care if you don't have a degree, but if you can solve problems that other degree holders can solve then you're worth a lot more than the degree holder.

<Jucato> schoolboy: you're passionate about girls :P

<schoolboy> mikhail^: i'll keep that in mind!! =)

<Jucato> mikhail^: I wish all employers are like you

<schoolboy> Jucato: thats a given :p

<mikhail^> schoolboy: btw, JM and Zak are not gifted by mistake, they work hard at it and that's public knowledge.

<Jucato> unfortunately, for some employers, the resume still has a lot of bearing (specially work experience and degree)

<schoolboy> they have girlfriends di ba? hehehe

<Jucato> hahah

<mikhail^> Jucato: I still read resume's, but I look at what you've done before and what your outlook in life is.

<schoolboy> zakame: you have a girlfriend? hehehe a personal question i guess... but i hope you dont mind :D

<Jucato> schoolboy: feeling mo ba pag tulad nila walang love life? :P

<Jucato> mikhail^: that's why I wish all employers were like you

<zakame> schoolboy: unfortunately, not yet, I'm pretty much focused on work/school

<schoolboy> Jucato: hehehe i just wanna find out what motivates them.. for me, you know the answer :p

<zakame> although I must say I have my eyes set on a classmate ;P

<Jucato> the most common question I'm asked when I apply for a job that's not directly related to my course, they ask me "what would convince me to hire you instead of an applicant who's a graduate of a more related course"

<schoolboy> zakame: hihi ... that counts as motivation. bleh :p

<mikhail^> schoolboy: if you want to know what motivates me, http://software.orangeandbronze.com/about

<zakame> too bad being OU means we don't get to see very often ;)

<schoolboy> sounds like orange and lemons.. betcha get that a lot :p

<mikhail^> schoolboy: yup, we do. :)

<Jucato> how about orange and brown?

<mikhail^> Jucato: pangit.

<Jucato> hehehe

<Jucato> schoolboy: http://software.orangeandbronze.com/about/management-team/

<schoolboy> zakame: whats OU mean? hihihi sorry ha

<Jucato> Open University

<Jucato> UPOU = UP Open University

<schoolboy> waw... amazing

<Jucato> distance learning

<mikhail^> natawa ako, kala ko "Distant Learning" :))

<Jucato> I counted 6 ubuntu-ph members in O&B (including mikhail^)

<Jucato> mikhail^: ah.. baka nga hehehe

<schoolboy> oohhh.. what course you need to take in college to be a software architect!??? hmmm

<Jucato> mikhail^: Distance Education. tama ka eheheh

<mikhail^> schoolboy: it's not about the course. JP graduated from DLSU as a chemical engineer

<mikhail^> schoolboy: I haven't graduated yet, and I took computer science from UPLB.

<Jucato> wow lapit dito...

<allanix> "mikhail" a russian? :)

<schoolboy> hihihi

<mikhail^> allanix: nope, am full blooded Filipino.

<Jucato> ung #2 requirement sa UPOU Diploma in CS ang biggest stumbling block ko...

<Jucato> "2. proficiency in at least one programming language."

<Terminus> hmmm... ano requirements no UPOU? =)

<allanix> mikhail^: just kidding :)

<Jucato> Terminus: http://www.upou.org/academic/programs/programs.htm

<mikhail^> allanix: My real name is Dean Michael Berris -- took the russian version of Michael and used it for my nick, in line with Mikhail Gorbachev's contribution to the fall of the USSR.

<Jucato> Terminus: saka bawal ang naka TAYOU :P

<schoolboy> heya terminus!

<Terminus> Jucato: ty. hehe

<Jucato> the "European" version of my name would probably be Jean and Karol (depending on which country)

<irvin> so who's on fiesty?

<Terminus> hmm... problema ko yung #1 requirement sa CS sa UPOU. hehe

<Terminus> heya schoolboy =)

<Jucato> heheh bachelor's degree?

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<zakame> irvin: you are?

*** irvin sets mode: -vv fortran01 purserj

<Terminus> Jucato: yep. =D

*** irvin sets mode: -oo fortran01 purserj

<schoolboy> jean and carol... waw... :))

*** irvin sets mode: -o irvin

<Jucato> lol

<Terminus> #2 is easy. #1 is hard. lol

<schoolboy> girly

<Jucato> Terminus: ako baliktad :)

<Jucato> schoolboy: hehehe

<mikhail^> okay guys, thanks for the great chat. I'll now have to make some calls. :)

<schoolboy> okie!!! bye bye.. anime time na sa gma

<mikhail^> have a great evening everyone!

<schoolboy> weeeeeeeee

<Jucato> mikhail^, CuriousCat, ealden, jmibanez, zakame, eclair... all in O&B

<Jucato> mikhail^: thanks for everything! :)

<schoolboy> mikhail^: byee byee

<mikhail^> Jucato: no problem. :)

<allanix> mikhail^: bye

<irvin> wala pa ba na naka feisty?

<Terminus> http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?Q01B14 <-- i was looking at this the other day...

<Jucato> wala pa ata from ubuntu-ph, irvin

<zakame> irvin: I don't think the toolchain's already up

<irvin> ah

<Terminus> problema lang, it's expensive. hahaha

<Jucato> ehhehe

<Jucato> magkasing-edad lang pala kami ni mikhail... hehehe

<zakame> brb

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<pusakat> migration sucks

<kingseagle> please digg this and see what you think: http://vivapilipinas.blogspot.com/

<schoolboy> good evening all

<jsgotangco> hello

<schoolboy> =)

<zakame> hi all

<jsgotangco> hi

<jsgotangco> zakame: do you use karamba?

<jsgotangco> cute?

<jsgotangco> bwahaha

<jsgotangco> feel

<zakame> jsgotangco: superkaramba? yeah I have it installed, but I barely use it ;P

<zakame> I did try setting up an old setup: http://zakame.spunge.org/gfx/Screenshot.png

<zakame> couldnt do it though, no spare time

<e1mer> hi all

<e1mer> anyone knows a tool to translate wvdial.conf to kppp arguments

<e1mer> ?

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<e1mer> anyone?

<mangz74> good morning all

<jsgotangco> hello

<Jucato> good evening/morning to all! :)

<jsgotangco> hi

* Jucato wonders if there's any way for him to make it to the party...

<jsgotangco> heh don't think just go

<Jucato> sana umuwi ate ko para may substitute sakin dito sa bahay :P

<jsgotangco> i cant come either, im going to cebu

<Jucato> ooh wow! :)

* jsgotangco attending ICT congress

<jsgotangco> man so bored tonight

<Jucato> friday at home... :(

<jsgotangco> i dont really go out on fridays unless with some close friends

<jsgotangco> but i haven't gotten anything to do lately

<jsgotangco> hence bored

<mangz74> what u doing in CEbU jsg

<jsgotangco> its a shame all my close friends are women

<jsgotangco> mangz74: http://www.ict-congress.com/

<mangz74> oh kewl

<mangz74> na discon

<Jucato> :(

<Jucato> CGI:IRC :P

<jsgotangco> what's that

<mangz74> ang irc client ko

<mangz74> sa waterfront kayo...malapit sa amin yan

<Jucato> para takas sa office

<mangz74> hehehe

<jsgotangco> via cgi? hehe

<mangz74> yep

<mangz74> yeah

<mangz74> web based

<jsgotangco> yeah waterfront

<mangz74> http://www.ircatwork.com/

<jsgotangco> hmm wlaa ako kilala sa cebu

<mangz74> hahaha

<jsgotangco> hmm

<jsgotangco> paano ka na kung naka block sa proxy tong site

<jsgotangco> hehe

<mangz74> wala chat

<mangz74> LOL

<mangz74> i'll probably be more productive

<jsgotangco> wahaha

<mangz74> jucato:ano pinagkakabusihan mo dyan

<Jucato> hinahanap ang mga docs for Quanta... @_@

<dekoy> morning

<jsgotangco> hello!

<dekoy> hehehe

<Jucato> morning dekoy!

<dekoy> good morning

<jsgotangco> taena dekoy SIP tayo nababato ako

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> nasa trabaho ako

<dekoy> brb janitor job muna

<dekoy> brb

<dekoy> okay nakita na nya yung inbox nya sa email nya

<dekoy> hhahahha

<dekoy> hayyy

<dekoy> nag papanic kagad kasi eh

<dekoy> hehe

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<jsgotangco> ahh crap im just going to sleep

<Jucato> good night kuya jerome!

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> walnag tulugan

<dekoy> ke aga aga pa

<jsgotangco> taena boring

<jsgotangco> charge ko lang DS ko tapos laro na lang ako ng tetris online

<dekoy> hehehe

<dekoy> haha kagabi

<dekoy> ganon din ginawa ko boring laro psp

<dekoy> sabay tulog

<dekoy> hehe

<zakame> evening all

<dekoy> EA SPORT ROUND 3 baby!!

<jsgotangco> wahaha

<dekoy> good morning zakame

<jsgotangco> nandun ba si pacman?

<dekoy> yeah

<jsgotangco> oh anong itsura

<dekoy> galing kamukhang kamukha

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> haha

<zakame> yo dekoy

<dekoy> from general santos city

<jsgotangco> walang boxing sa DS

<dekoy> yeah kaya di ko binili dati

<jsgotangco> sinasabi yun?

<dekoy> walnag mga games na gusto ko

<dekoy> yep

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> from general santos city

<dekoy> don ko nalaman na nag layas si pacman eh

<jsgotangco> well iilan lang games na matino sa PSP

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> bakit may history?

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> yeah

<zakame> braintrain

<dekoy> sinasabi habang nag boboxing

<jsgotangco> haha

<jsgotangco> commentary?

<dekoy> yep

<jsgotangco> yeah dun malakas ang PSP

<dekoy> naglayas ng 12 years old pag balik nya profesional boxer na

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> taena wala lang maisip yung mga developer sa PSP

<jsgotangco> mga bobo

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> panay ports lang from PS2

<dekoy> pero ilike yung mga sports games ng psp

<dekoy> magaganda

<jsgotangco> pero yung lumines maganda

<jsgotangco> madden?

<zakame> err psp is the dumper for ps2 games :P

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> sure

<jsgotangco> its almost the same power

<jsgotangco> ill probably get one too

<dekoy> si esmi hinahanap tetris

<jsgotangco> when its dirt cheap

<dekoy> saka packman

<dekoy> bumili ng oldschool na games galaga

<jsgotangco> walang tetris yata sa psp

<dekoy> meron

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> ow

<dekoy> yeah

<jsgotangco> online?

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> i think so

<dekoy> halos lahat ng games nila me online

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> halos ah

<jsgotangco> pero mas matindi mga online games ng DS

<jsgotangco> taena 600 wins na ako sa Tetris DS

<dekoy> bwahahahah

<dekoy> lufet mo fafa

<jsgotangco> out of 1,100 games

<zakame> ooh winrar

<dekoy> winrar hehe

<dekoy> ket me ron kang rar file

<zakame> 60% you fail

<jsgotangco> taena isipin mo yun

<dekoy> hehehe

<jsgotangco> 600 wins

<jsgotangco> haha

<dekoy> halatang wala kang magawa

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> taena di ko maisip naka 1,000+ games

<dekoy> binili ko si esmi ng laptop kagabi

<dekoy> sale sa bestbuy

<dekoy> hehehe

<jsgotangco> meron nga may record sa nintendowifi taena 5,000+ wins

<dekoy> 599 lang yung toshiba na dualcore centrino

<dekoy> ahh

<jsgotangco> hehe

<jsgotangco> oo

<dekoy> nagpapadownload ng ubuntu

<jsgotangco> taena mura

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> gusto daw nya yung linux na 3d desktop

<dekoy> bwahahahahah

<dekoy> naingit sa desktop ko sa bahay

<pusakat> wow

<pusakat> galeng talaga ni jsg

<pusakat> masakit ulo ko dekoy!!!

<dekoy> sabi sakin gusto ko katulad ng desktop mo

<dekoy> bakit masakit ulo mo ?

<dekoy> nabitin kaw ?

<dekoy> hehehe

<jsgotangco> dekoy: ano lugar ang 877 na area code?

<zakame> painful head

<dekoy> hrmm

<dekoy> let me check

<jsgotangco> taena sino to

<jsgotangco> hehe

<zakame> that didn't sound right

<jsgotangco> baka credit card offer

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> toll free

<Alter-Ego> good evening

<jsgotangco> ow?

<dekoy> 888 877 866 855 844 833 822

<dekoy> hehe :)

<jsgotangco> hahha

<dekoy> toll free number yan

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> tele marketer amp

<pusakat> dekoy: hindi... nasa UPM ako kanina... nag-transfer ako ng service from one machine to another.

<pusakat> badtrip yung monitor na gamit ko kanina.

<pusakat> malabo.

<pusakat> masakit sa mata, sumakit ulo ko.

<dekoy> hahahaha

<pusakat> hehe

<dekoy> tingin kang kulay green

<jsgotangco> taena pati ba naman telemarketer sa tate inabot ko na dito

<dekoy> makaktulong yan

<dekoy> dude telemarketer walnag patawad

<pusakat> fun

<dekoy> yon trabaho nila eh

<zakame> rocking

<dekoy> di sila swesweldo pag di sila naka pam bulabog

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> madami na din dito nun

<jsgotangco> sa credit card

<jsgotangco> hehe

<jsgotangco> lahat ng palusot

<dekoy> hahahhaa

<pusakat> jsgotangco: pupunta kayo ng boss niyo sa asia source?

<jsgotangco> para tumagal lang sa phone

<dekoy> naka tanggap ka ng tawag

<dekoy> is blahblah there ? sagot mo oh sorry wrong number

<jsgotangco> pusakat: well i doubt if my boss will come with me pero kasama ko chief of staff niya

<dekoy> tapos sabay banat do you have subscription to blah blah

<dekoy> hehe

<zakame> hmm any reason why suspend2 isn't default in ubuntu?

<jsgotangco> i haven't sent application yet though

<dekoy> suspend2 is not in the main kernel ?

<jsgotangco> pusakat: i think the venue is too far from the city too

<pusakat> zakame: pabalato naman o. ;)

<jsgotangco> its not

<dekoy> yeah

<zakame> pusakat: hmm?

<dekoy> ayaw ng maintainer

<dekoy> hehehe

<jsgotangco> ayaw ng kernel people

<dekoy> pataasan kasi ng ihi eh

<dekoy> not really kernel people

<dekoy> im following that thread

<dekoy> yung maintainer lang ayaw

<dekoy> mas maganda daw approach nya

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> hmmi dont remember exactly

<jsgotangco> may issues yung maintainer

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> pag me problem lagi sagot it's a hardware bug

<dekoy> hahahaha

<zakame> maintainer ng kernel or suspend2?

<jsgotangco> ah lahat sila

<dekoy> maintainer ng hybernate sa main kernel

<jsgotangco> kaya mas maganda ang vista eh

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> ayaw ng suspend2

<dekoy> pero yung isang co-maintainer maayos naman ni tratry nya i port yung mga fixes sa suspend2 sa main line

<dekoy> hehe

<pusakat> kasi hindi mo nakikita yung mga away nila

<pusakat> ;)

<dekoy> nyahahahah

<pusakat> lag ata ako

<dekoy> well ang hirap kasi they need to be 100% BUG COMPATIBLE SA WINDOWS

<dekoy> HAHA

<jsgotangco> pusakat: busy ba si doc?

<dekoy> lag si fafa cat

<zakame> I read that as `buhay ba si doc?'

<jsgotangco> hmm should i call my grandmama

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> san si bigmama sa chicago din ?

<jsgotangco> oo

<jsgotangco> 88 na yun

<dekoy> dang tawagan mo

<dekoy> matutuwa yon

<dekoy> its 9 am sa chicago ngayon

<jsgotangco> pero nagsusudoku

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> haha

<dekoy> hehehe

<jsgotangco> pero sa papel

<pusakat> jsgotangco: busy busy busy siya... sobra. as in. bihira ko makita nga sa opis.

<dekoy> sarap pag kewl ang bigmama eh

<jsgotangco> tatawagan ko

<jsgotangco> baka bigyan pa ako ng $$$

<jsgotangco> bwahaha

<dekoy> nyahahaha

<pusakat> wow

<zakame> lol

<dekoy> ayaw sa pinas mag retire

<jsgotangco> hindi na

<jsgotangco> patay na lolo ko eh

<pusakat> shet

<jsgotangco> sa amerika na nilibing

<jsgotangco> wala na din yun babalikan sa pinas

<jsgotangco> kasi halos lahat ng anak nandun

<dekoy> oh

<jsgotangco> yeah dun sa family mailing list namin

<jsgotangco> pa vonage vonage pa sila

<jsgotangco> taena ako 1c/minute lang

<jsgotangco> hehe

<jsgotangco> prepay pa

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> tenang lineup ko sa fanball

<dekoy> 6 ang injured

<dekoy> ano bayan

<jsgotangco> anong week na ng nfl???

<dekoy> oh 7

<dekoy> week 10 na

<dekoy> nyeta

<jsgotangco> shet

<dekoy> yung dalawang number pick ko parehong injured syet

<jsgotangco> lapit na

<dekoy> kala ko swete ko nakuha ko si alexander

<dekoy> nfl MVP last year

<dekoy> 3 week palang injured na

<dekoy> hanggang ngayon di pa nag lalaro sheesh

<dekoy> ka praning

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> tapos match up ko this week yung number 1 sa standing sa league namin

<dekoy> kakatawa

<dekoy> 8-1 score

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> ako 4-5 (3 straight lost) dahil sa kalokohan ko

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> sino mahilig sa NFL sa inyo dito ?

<dekoy> me nanonood ba ?

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> guys check this out http://www.funday.com/step3.aspx?PathCode=all&sel=FDAYTB

<mangz74> its paintball tank battle

<mangz74> paintball pero gamit tangke

<mangz74> lol

<zakame> waah sana paintball using nukes

<zakame> acat is fine too

<dekoy> error

<dekoy> zakame: server error

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> Server Error in '/' Application.

<dekoy> <hr>

<dekoy> Compilation Error Description: An error occurred during the compilation of a resource required to service this request. Please review the following specific error details and modify your source code appropriately.

<dekoy> Compiler Error Message: CS0006: Metadata file 'c:\windows\microsoft.net\framework\v1.1.4322\temporary asp.net files\root\436804a2\6c25001d\assembly\dl2\cebb2aee\06793a2e_02fdc601\log4net.dll' could not be found

<dekoy> Source Error:

<dekoy> [No relevant source lines

<dekoy> nyak

<dekoy> hahaha

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<pusakat> ang hilig niyo sa cat

<zakame> dekoy: not here, it works fine

<dekoy> hehe yeah hinanap ko from the main site

<dekoy> ayaw ata direct linking

<dekoy> heh epero nice tank paintball

<dekoy> mwahahaha

<dekoy> ayos to

<zakame> lets hav that sometime next rlease party

<dekoy> hehe

<CuriousCat> hello

<zakame> yo CuriousCat , got your datapad on linux now

<dekoy> lag ata freenode

<CuriousCat> what datapad?

<zakame> lets hav that sometime next rlease party

<zakame> CuriousCat: your nec?

<CuriousCat> ah! not yet.

<CuriousCat> pag ako nainis... mag-netbsd na lang talaga ako

<dekoy> mainis ka na

<dekoy> hehe

<pusakat> dekoy: pupunta ka bang pinas neks yir?

<dekoy> yes sir

<dekoy> uuwi ako pero mga around april or may na

<dekoy> ni move namin

<CuriousCat> actually, i was already able to install netbsd

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<pusakat> dekoy: ayos yan.

<CuriousCat> just to see if it can actually be done.

<CuriousCat> after which, i erased it. i'm trying linux again

<dekoy> anong hardware mo at di nagana sa linux ?

<CuriousCat> i just wonder, can opie run on netbsd?

<CuriousCat> nec mobilepro 780.

<pusakat> uy... online si tonton

<pusakat> dekoy: saan ba si tonton konektado ngayon?

<CuriousCat> http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/NecMobilePro780Hardware

<dekoy> oh di nagana sayo yung howto ?

<CuriousCat> yung root value ang problem

<CuriousCat> kernel panic dahil di daw tama yung device. kaya di ma-mount yung root.

<CuriousCat> pero may nakita ako na ang ginamit daw niya hdc instead of hda. i'm going to try it again

<dekoy> oh

<dekoy> hehe yan hirap pag hindi label gamit mo

<dekoy> ahahaha

<CuriousCat> oo nga e.

<CuriousCat> si jm daw nakaka-alam ng solution nito e.

<dekoy> ibanez ?

<CuriousCat> kaso, wala siya ngayon. :(

<dekoy> oh

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> wb fafa

<CuriousCat> OH GREAT ONE!

<CuriousCat> HE HAS RETURNED!

* CuriousCat grovels at the feet of jsgotangco

<jsgotangco> ?

<jsgotangco> dekoy: success!!!

<jsgotangco> $$$

<dekoy> hahaha papadalan ka

<dekoy> lufet mo

<dekoy> nabola mo nananaman si big mama

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> bwahaha

<jsgotangco> tamang tama may pang s na naman

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> hehe 11cents not bad

<zakame> is this battletoads?

<jsgotangco> parang gusto ko to ah, kada tawag recorded tapos may cost na

<dekoy> hehhe

<dekoy> meron kang proof

<dekoy> eto sabi nyo oh

<dekoy> bwahahaha

<jsgotangco> hehehe

<dekoy> i should tell my boss to buy me a nokia 770 hehehe

<dekoy> hrmm

<jsgotangco> eto lola o sinabi mo nung x:xx ng umaga

<dekoy> pamasko

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> haha

<jsgotangco> hinahanap ko yung libreng call out sa skype

<jsgotangco> meron daw hanggang dec. 31

<jsgotangco> libre

<jsgotangco> pero parang wala

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> at least yung libre ng gizmo is good for 25 minutes

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: favor

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: yes?

<jsgotangco> do you want me to flash it? heh

<dekoy> hhahaha

<dekoy> tae nanaman

<dekoy> bwahahaha

<jsgotangco> taena greenminded talaga

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: yung nakita natin na pcmcia wifi card sa ebay? the one with the driver for windows ce? :D

<jsgotangco> wahahaha

<jsgotangco> let me call my brother later

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: yay! :D sana pumayag. thanks!

<jsgotangco> hmm hindi pa nasagot

<jsgotangco> baka tulog pa taena

<zakame> buhahaha

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: hehe

<CuriousCat> sige. i can wait.

<jsgotangco> ayun minura ko sa voicemail

<CuriousCat> HAHA!

<jsgotangco> taena gusto ko maglagay ng pabx dito sa bahay

<zakame> right, have the nso look at it

<jsgotangco> hehe

<zakame> err nsa pala

<jsgotangco> tapos ikakabit ko tong gizmo

<CuriousCat> what gizmo?

<jsgotangco> gizmo project

<jsgotangco> i wonder if the e61 can accept my sip settings

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<jsgotangco> http://forum.sipphone.com/viewtopic.php?t=2655&highlight=e61

<CuriousCat> back again

<CuriousCat> hmmm

<CuriousCat> i still get that error on linux

<CuriousCat> "Please append a correct root= boot option"

<CuriousCat> "kernel panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs on 22:02

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<CuriousCat> wow. netsplit

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> nag loloko nanaman freenode

<dekoy> hehe

<Jucato> hehe you didn't receive the notice?

<CuriousCat> netsplit

<CuriousCat> didn't get the notice though

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<zakame> netsplat

<Jucato> ehehe

<dekoy> hehe

<CuriousCat> ayaw talaga

<CuriousCat> i'm still getting the same error

<CuriousCat> "Please append a correct root= boot option"

<dekoy> ano sabi ng dmesg pag boot mo

<dekoy> di ka ba naabot don

<CuriousCat> nope

<CuriousCat> kernel panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs on 03:02

<CuriousCat> that's the last line

<dekoy> yeah

<dekoy> okay normally 2 things happen

<dekoy> when you see that

<dekoy> number 1 reason is kernel doesn't have support for the filesystem

<dekoy> 2. wrong parameter

<dekoy> pick which one ;)

<CuriousCat> hmm. ext3 kaya instead of ext2?

<dekoy> oh in number one too with the filesystem

<dekoy> you dont have the proper module loaded for the device ( debian sickness)

<CuriousCat> er... meaning?

<dekoy> hehe when you install using a cd it detects your hardware and loads the right module

<CuriousCat> ah. but i'm using a CF card

<dekoy> when everything is installed .. upon boot up it doesn't load the driver for the hardware (normally happens with scsi arrays and scsi drives when using them as / )

<dekoy> do you think it's in the kernel's initrd ? or built in the kernel for cf card support ?

<CuriousCat> i wouldn't know.

<CuriousCat> where in the source code would i find that?

<dekoy> that's a hard question i dunno if there is a .config included with your kernel na gamitmo dyan

* CuriousCat didn't compile this thing

<dekoy> oh

<dekoy> tanong kita

<dekoy> kasi di ko alam paano mo nainstall yan im clueless

<dekoy> meron kang niload na napaboot mo sya sa linux like a normal pc

<dekoy> get a cd/whatever media and boot it on the hardware

<CuriousCat> http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/NecMobilePro780HowTo

<CuriousCat> that's where i got it.

<CuriousCat> it's a handheld pc running on windows CE. no CD drive. just a CF card slot and a pcmcia slot.

<dekoy> okay tol

<dekoy> ano itsura ng /dos mo saka /ext2 ? ano file stracture

<dekoy> gayahin mo yung nasa howto :) pano i mount tapos paste mo dito ano directory structure ng /ext2

<dekoy> saka ng /dos

<CuriousCat> wait a bit

<dekoy> oki doki

<CuriousCat> pm kita. medyo mahaba

<CuriousCat> did you get it? yung sa dos, yung *.ini file, generated yan after running the exe

<dekoy> oki

<dekoy> tama naman

<CuriousCat> i know

<CuriousCat> akala ko rin baka mali yung fs e.

<dekoy> nung ni load mo yang cf card mos a computer

<dekoy> ano na detect ng linux ?

<dekoy> and anong driver ?

<CuriousCat> hmm? er... hmm. detected as CF card. but, i don't really know how to get at the specifics

<dekoy> okay hehe tignan ko yung kernel source

<dekoy> sa download section nila me source

<dekoy> tignan natin kung ano laman

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> baka me clue don

<CuriousCat> ok. yung sa dmesg, nakita ng ubuntu as a SCSI device yung CF card.

<dekoy> oh so it should be /dev/sda ?

<CuriousCat> doon sa nec, i wouldn't know. though i did remember nagkaroon din siya ng IRQ errors

<dekoy> rather than hdx

<dekoy> if sa linux nakitang scsi yan

<dekoy> don sa parameter mo change mo na gamitin eh /dev/sd**

<CuriousCat> baka. sda2?

<dekoy> yep

<dekoy> bagal ng dl laki ng source bagal ng website eheh 19 mb yung source

<dekoy> hehe gusot ko makita kung ano nakasupport

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> try it change mo na sda2

<CuriousCat> same error

<CuriousCat> may mga IRQ probe failed messages from hda to hdf.

<dekoy> oh

<dekoy> nag load dmesg diba

<dekoy> di nya na detect yung hardware?

<CuriousCat> mouse

<CuriousCat> what's devfs?

<dekoy> filesystem para sa /dev

<CuriousCat> devfs: boot_options: 0x2

<dekoy> deprecated nayan sa bagong kernel

<CuriousCat> ds: no socket drivers loaded!

<CuriousCat> tapos: cannot open root device "sda2" or 08:02

<CuriousCat> please append...yada yada

<dekoy> yep

<dekoy> ano nakalgay sa boot parameters mo ?

<dekoy> just root=/dev/sda2 ?

<CuriousCat> root=/dev/sda2 rw

<dekoy> type mo dito yung yada yada

<dekoy> baka me clue :)

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> natapos din dl

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> ano gamit mo 780 diba ?

<CuriousCat> yup

<dekoy> hehe yung source ginawa for 770

<CuriousCat> it's the same one i mentioned earlier

<CuriousCat> ay sus.

<dekoy> CONFIG_NEC_MOBILEPRO_770=y

<dekoy> # CONFIG_NEC_MOBILEPRO_780 is not set

<dekoy>