<maxamillion> nvm

<cellofellow> I was talking two things at once

<cellofellow> TheSheep: thanks

<kalikiana7> cfowler: yes

<cellofellow> it's been updated

<vidd> maxamillion, you read my blog?

<TheSheep> cellofellow: only the horizontal bar over the title is a little low...

<maxamillion> vidd: i don't really see anyone coming out with closed source peripherals because of the heat they would take from Intel, Nvidia, AMD/ATi, and IBM ....

<cellofellow> hmm...

* maxamillion is reading vidd's blog now

<cellofellow> I just use google pages no real control on the look just content

<larson9999> could someone paste the cdrom sources.list line for the xubuntu cdrom:[ line for me?

<TheSheep> vidd: there are anti-trust laws in place too :)

<cellofellow> it's way different from using bluefish

<cellofellow> which is what i wrote the content on

<vidd> TheSheep, did ya read my blog too?

<TheSheep> vidd: no, I read your mind ;)

<larson9999> for edgy that is

<cellofellow> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/linuxfeatures

<TheSheep> larson9999: can't you just add it in synaptics?

<kalikiana7> s/synaptics/synaptic :)

<TheSheep> kalikiana7: thx

<larson9999> TheSheep: maybe. but don't i need to know what the line is or do i just point it to the cd?

<TheSheep> no idea, but should be pretty simple :\

<cellofellow> all the software on the CD is installed by default not like debian. DVD on the other hand...

<cellofellow> larson9999: so did you uninstall something?

<vidd> TheSheep, M$ can get around the anti-trust because it's NOVELL's driver interface....

<vidd> will be....

<vidd> could be...

<cellofellow> so, is M$ going to be doing TECHNICAL SUPPORT for SUSE?

<Jester45> vidd: your blog seems ture

<maxamillion> vidd: right, but "Accessory manufactures (wifi card makers, game controller makers, printer makers, etc) will STOP making their chipsets open for community to write drivers and make proprietary "Linux" drivers that will work with Microsoft (I'm sorry...SUSE and SLED) Linux."

<TheSheep> blobs are already a treat :(

<cellofellow> If they are, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard Linux traditionally earns revenue with support

<TheSheep> threat even

<maxamillion> vidd: they won't do that because as it stands ... HP writes their own open source drivers, so does intel, nvidia, ati, etc.

<cellofellow> well, what if smaller companies see writing closed-source drivers packaged as SUSE RPM's as the easy way out?

<maxamillion> vidd: and all of novell's drivers included are just as subject to the linux kernel and the GPL as every other distro

<larson9999> cellofellow: i replaced it with network repository. but now i'm in a hotel room with only wireless access and my wireless card isn't set up. so i want to add it back so i can install wireless

<maxamillion> vidd: errr ... atleast most of them.

<vidd> the issue is....most of the hi demand drivers

<cellofellow> larson9999: never used the CD as a repo cause the install installs the whole CD anyways.

<vidd> im expecting a "shim" approach

<JKnife> maxamillion: ummm if a project is backed by agreements it CAN NOT be released under the GPLv2 or 3

<vidd> open source the shim

<cellofellow> vidd: well, it may just hurt Novell, which is a shame, but I hope it doesn't hurt linux in generall.

<vidd> proprietize the drivers

<larson9999> cellofellow: well, the cd rom is in sources list by default so i figured someone in here would have it in there commented out and could paste it for me

* cellofellow doesn't think it is.

* vidd hopes he is WAY off mark and NONE of what he predicts comes true

<JKnife> lol

* cellofellow hopes that Novell beats the odds and is the fish that M$ hooked that was to big and pulled it into the water.

<JKnife> vidd: but sadly.. that is how M$ got anything was they bought out another company

<vidd> JKnife 's pic is really the cats meow

<cellofellow> they even bought DOS and Explorer

<JKnife> cellofellow: forgot DirectX

* vidd thought they stole directx

<cellofellow> those where the only ones I knew not an M$ fan

<JKnife> vidd: no.. they paid for it.. at a VERY low price

<cellofellow> My uncle is er was an M$ developer, and he says they once had a UNIX server system they must have bought and killed.

* cellofellow wonders why gaming companies use crap like directx

<maxamillion> cellofellow: you ever coded a game?

<cellofellow> oh, wel, maybe OpenGL is crap too.

<JKnife> cellofellow: cause M$ pays em to make it windows only

<cellofellow> ah

<JKnife> OGL >>>>>>>>>>>>>DX

<JKnife> trust me on that one =)

<cellofellow> what's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?

<maxamillion> cellofellow: OpenGL isn't crap ... just doesn't have billions of dollars worth of corporate backing to make it that much better

* cellofellow knows nothing about 3D systems.

<JKnife> cellofellow: greater then X 10000000

<cellofellow> lol

<JKnife> meaning OGL pwns DX

<jester45> could somone try to fserve me

<maxamillion> JKnife: OpenGL isn't > DirectX ... OpenGL is generally slower, less efficient and is far behind in pixel shading capabilities

<cellofellow> ha ha userfriendly.org is so funny.

<JKnife> maxamillion: but is has the cross platform support

<jester45> maxamillion, i agree

<JKnife> jester45: nothing from triggers

<maxamillion> JKnife: so Java > C ?

<JKnife> maxamillion: C has cross platform support

<JKnife> #ifdef =P

<jester45> JKnife i willl have it fixes fast

<cellofellow> do Pixar's Linux rendering farms use OpenGL?

<JKnife> cellofellow: no.. prob ray tracing

<TheSheep> cellofellow: I think they use raytracing...

<maxamillion> cellofellow: probably not ...

* vidd hears ubuntu's company may be the ones to work on open-sousing java

<JKnife> =P

<cellofellow> oh, of course

<JKnife> TheSheep: beat ya

<cellofellow> what about the animation workstations?

<TheSheep> JKnife: 'prob' is not a word :P

<maxamillion> vidd: canonical? ... don't think so, pretty sure Sun is doing that out of necessity

<JKnife> prob. ?

<TheSheep> JKnife: closer

<jester45> JKnife, retry please

<JKnife> !list

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<JKnife> -_-

<JKnife> jester45: nope

<TheSheep> cellofellow: OpenGL and DirectX are libraries for fast bu 'faked' 3D

<TheSheep> but

<cellofellow> ok

<TheSheep> cellofellow: the 'true' 3D rendering is not usually done by gpu

<vidd> maxamillion, http://news.com.com/2110-7344_3-6133411.html

<jester45> try again

<JKnife> it is usally done in a matrix then based on the viewport it renders a 2d image based on what is "seen" then it draws that image

<JKnife> !list

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<JKnife> -_- nopers

<jester45> JKnife, what if i use my 3d screen :)

<maxamillion> vidd: canonical planning to use a Sun-Java server application means they are the reason java is being open sourced?

<JKnife> jester45: what do you mean?

<jester45> my screen that makes 3d images

<jester45> !list

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<JKnife> ohh then it just copies the matrix there

<jester45> is the fserve working?

<Jester41> !list

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<JKnife> =/

<Jester41> humm

<Jester41> retry please

<JKnife> !list

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<somerville32> !xdmcp

<ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it

<JKnife> Jester41: which one of you is running it?

<Jester41> the other

<somerville32> Everyone look, thats my thinger!

<jester45> this one

<JKnife> @find lalala

<JKnife> =/

<JKnife> nothin

<Jester41> it gave a list on my side

<Jester41> o

<Jester41> masybe my fserve cant cd

<JKnife> =/

<JKnife> !list

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<Jester41> vut he xubuntu_logo.png is a file

<Jester41> JKnife: try to get the logo

<JKnife> xdcc send #1 or xubuntu_logo.png?

<Jester41> i dont know

<Jester41> try !hel

<Jester41> !help

<ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots

<JKnife> =/

<kalikiana7> !hell

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> !kalikiana7

<kalikiana7> ubotu is a protestant :P

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kalikiana7 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a protestant :P - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> !crimsun

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crimsun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> =/

<Jester41> JKnife: type !get 6

<JKnife> !bot abuse

<ubotu> Please don't play with the bots, or else... Also see !behaviour and !msgthebot

<JKnife> !get 6

<JKnife> nothing

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about get 6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Jester41> well its asking to send it

<JKnife> =/

<Jester41> try it again but with 6.

<JKnife> !get 6

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about get 6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> !get 6.

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about get 6. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<JKnife> !GIVE IT TO ME!

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about GIVE IT TO ME! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Jester41> lol

<MattJ> !Give it to JKnife

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Give it to JKnife - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<kalikiana7> ubotu tell JKnife about bot abuse

<Jester41> he isnt tring to do it

<JKnife> kalikiana7: =/

<kalikiana7> maybe he's had enough

<MattJ> :D

<MattJ> Retired

<JKnife> have you not read what has been said?

<MattJ> Who? Me?

<kalikiana7> a bot is also just a human :P

<JKnife> kalikiana

<Jester41> JKnife: try #fserve

<MattJ> !behaviour

<ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines

<MattJ> !msgthebot

<ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots - Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)

* MattJ starts blender

* maxamillion gets excited that MattJ is starting blender

* JKnife sticks his hand in blender

<maxamillion> noob

<JKnife> :'(

<maxamillion> just kidding!!!

<JKnife> :)

<MattJ> lol

<MattJ> Charlie gained 2 friends

<MattJ> erm...

<JKnife> =\

<MattJ> I'll think of names later ^^

<kalikiana7> who the heck is Charlie?

<MattJ> xD

<MattJ> Charlie mouse

<MattJ> star of Xubuntu

<kalikiana7> *lol*

<JKnife> silly kalikiana7

* kalikiana7 swings a flail against JKnife

<JKnife> =(

<MattJ> I need captions

<MattJ> Someone suggested "Xubuntu... even the mice want to be on it" :D

<maxamillion> yes!

<MattJ> ;)

<maxamillion> omg, that's awesome!

<MattJ> :D

<MattJ> I'll have a pic as soon as it's finished rendering

<maxamillion> sweet

<Mystery_Mark> Does anyone know where I can find a guide for installing xubuntu on a system with less than 128MB of ram?

<Mystery_Mark> with the alternate CD?

<Jester41> yes teh alt cd

<somerville32> Mystery_Mark: How much ram do you got?

<LOLINTERNET> GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY!!!!!!!!!!!111111!!!!!!!!

<Mystery_Mark> 128

<LOLINTERNET> lies

<somerville32> !ops

<ubotu> Help! janimo, Gloubiboulga, crimsun, Nalioth, Seveas, gnomefreak, markuman or Harti

<LOLINTERNET> you're gay

<somerville32> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> ?

<LOLINTERNET> !LOL

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about LOL - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

* kalikiana7 identified a spammer

<LOLINTERNET> !gay

<LOLINTERNET> !sex

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gay - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<LOLINTERNET> !LOLINTERNET

<somerville32> Helps!

<somerville32> !ops

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about LOLINTERNET - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<LOLINTERNET> :o

<Mystery_Mark> DUDES

<LOLINTERNET> Wow

<Mystery_Mark> stfu

<Jester41> fag

<Andrew67> everyone, patience

<LOLINTERNET> suck my penis everybody!

* somerville32 squirms.

<Jester41> if you had one

<LOLINTERNET> I do

<LOLINTERNET> LOL

<LOLINTERNET> WANT PIX

<somerville32> !ops

<ubotu> Help! janimo, Gloubiboulga, crimsun, Nalioth, Seveas, gnomefreak, markuman or Harti

<Mystery_Mark> install guide?

<Mystery_Mark> anyone?

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<Jester41> Mystery_Mark: use the alternative cd

<LOLINTERNET> !ops

<LOLINTERNET> !LOL!

<LOLINTERNET> !ubotusucksdicks

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about LOL! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Jester41> LOLINTERNET: please leave

<Andrew67> that's what he wants a guide for i think

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubotusucksdicks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<LOLINTERNET> Why Jester41?

<LOLINTERNET> You cannot ban me

<LOLINTERNET> This is one of many psybncs

<Jester41> LOLINTERNET: because your not helping

<Andrew67> Jester41: dont respond, it makes em worse

<somerville32> !seen Gloubiboulga

<Andrew67> lets keep the discussion

<ubotu> Gloubiboulga is on IRC right now!

<LOLINTERNET> GAY

<LOLINTERNET> L:OL

<Andrew67> Mystery_Mark: ill see if the wiki has anything, though maybe you've searched already?

<JKnife> DDoS this ip 68.231.43.153

<LOLINTERNET> ?

<LOLINTERNET> Thats a BNC ip

<LOLINTERNET> You cannot

<Mystery_Mark> Nothing on install below 128 that I can find.

<Mystery_Mark> Though, I have been drinking.

<Andrew67> i see

<tom_> spam is where

<LOLINTERNET> u mean DDoS as in

<apokryphos> !ops

<ubotu> Help! janimo, Gloubiboulga, crimsun, Nalioth, Seveas, gnomefreak, markuman or Harti

<LOLINTERNET> DCC SEND "STRING" 0 0 0

<Andrew67> i got debian sarge workin on an old box with 64MB, but that's unrelated

<tom_> is this sexubuntu

<Andrew67> i did get livecd to run by making a swap partition, rather painful slow though

<Andrew67> but it ran

<Mystery_Mark> hmmmm

<Mystery_Mark> I just need a samba server with a gui

<Andrew67> oh

<Andrew67> mmm

<Andrew67> perhaps debian would work? i've no idea though, haven't experimented much with the old box since i got 2 shiny ones to play with :D

<apokryphos> PhilKC: just as they left; dang

<kalikiana7> Mystery_Mark: alternatie cd should work

<Mystery_Mark> the install is going well, i just thought there was more custumization with the alternative cd.

<Andrew67> oh

<apokryphos> PhilKC: I can give you a log though

<somerville32> They got k-lined.

<somerville32> What does that mean?

<kalikiana7> Mystery_Mark: you might still get rid of meta-packages afterwards

<Andrew67> somerville32: it means justice

<Mystery_Mark> damn, it wont let me create user root anymore.

<JKnife> somerville32: banned from freenode

<apokryphos> oh, didn't notice that. Cool.

<PhilKC> apokryphos, Sure, pastebin please :)

<Mystery_Mark> i hate having to sudo -s everytime I want to do something

<Andrew67> no root?

<Andrew67> ohh

<kalikiana7> Mystery_Mark: 'sudo passwd root' if you really must

<Andrew67> sudo passwd

<Andrew67> hehe

<Mystery_Mark> ?

<somerville32> Mystery_Mark: sudo su

<Andrew67> or try sudo -i for shell

<Andrew67> or yeah sudo su

<MattJ> sudo su == sudo -i

<Andrew67> hehe so many ways to do 1 thing

<MattJ> :)

<Mystery_Mark> i would rather just have access to root

<Andrew67> mmm

<kalikiana7> Mystery_Mark: 'sudo passwd root' then

<Andrew67> lecture in 5.4.3.2.1 ;)

<Mystery_Mark> k

<Mystery_Mark> thxs

<apokryphos> PhilKC: well they're klined now (as mentioned), but here anyhow: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30705/

<apokryphos> [00:50:34] LOLINTERNET [n=pie@ip68-231-43-153.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit IRC: K-lined

<Andrew67> Mystery_Mark: good luck with that

<Andrew67> it feels great when one can get an old box doin new trickds

<Andrew67> -d

<PhilKC> apokryphos, Ta (I like to keep a local list of nick!user@host + what they were doing. It helps to track down repeat offenders).

<Mystery_Mark> true

<apokryphos> cool

<Andrew67> of course, since someone in this house likes to trip the extension cord off everytime they see the pc on...

<Mystery_Mark> wait, i've been paste'd

<Andrew67> i think i gotta do some hard drive fixn now

<Andrew67> >_<

* MattJ wonders what satisfaction they get from it that they can' get from Linux... :-?

<MattJ> *can;t

<MattJ> :P

<Andrew67> the satisfaction of people actually replying to them

<Mystery_Mark> i'm such a bastard child

<somerville32> : O

<Mystery_Mark> I'm setting up Linux while configuring and exchange server.

<somerville32> Watch your mouth! : O

<Mystery_Mark> I feel torn having free distro's and a free msdn account.

<somerville32> Get a free osdn account :P

<Mystery_Mark> nah

<Jester41> JKnife: wanna test it again please

<somerville32> :]

<MattJ> This is one slow blender render :(

* MattJ is sleepy

<somerville32> :D

<MattJ> somerville32: Is the meeting time vote on the wiki aimed at anyone and everyone?

<somerville32> Yup.

* vidd hates printing the kid's homework!!!!

<MattJ> I'm GMT, and 1800 is early for me, but then, I don't know what timezones others are in

<somerville32> ...

<somerville32> That can't be correct.

* MattJ grins at vidd

<MattJ> What can't?

<somerville32> Oh, nvm

<somerville32> Misread that

<vidd> what meeting?

<vidd> VOTE???

<MattJ> :D

* vidd votes

<somerville32> I thought you said it was 1800 right now in GMT :P

<MattJ> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

* somerville32 nods.

<vidd> it cant be 1800 GMT.....

<MattJ> Why?

<somerville32> Gah, you got us all confused :P

<vidd> its 2023 EST

<somerville32> Vidd: He is talking about the meeting

<somerville32> Not what time it is right now

<MattJ> It's 0124 GMT *right now*

* vidd is SOOO confused

<MattJ> The votes are currently to hold the meeting at 1800

* somerville32 is sad no one has added items to the agenda besides me.

<somerville32> Mattj: Thats 6pm on a Saturday :P

<MattJ> I know that ^^

<MattJ> I live here :D

<vidd> GMT....which is ?1pm EST?

<somerville32> haha

<somerville32> Why is it too early?

* cellofellow is back

<MattJ> Well, I may not be at home then

<MattJ> For sure I will at 2100, that's all

<somerville32> Well, vote for whats good for you! :]

<vidd> west coast (USA) hackers dont get up @ 10am on saterdays!

<somerville32> Well, vote for whats good for you! :]

<vidd> if i didnt have to work saterdays, i wouldnt even be BRREATHING that early in th AM

<somerville32> <g>

<markinux> holas a todos, alguien habla español

<vidd> make it like 9am GMT

<somerville32> !es

<ubotu> Para Español por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrán mas ayuda.

<markinux> ok, thank's

* vidd has no clue what ubotu or markinux said=[

<somerville32> He said somethig like: Hello Everyone, anyone speak spanish

<somerville32> haha

<somerville32> actually

<somerville32> I have no idea

<markinux> hi somerville32

<vidd> if it wasnt for the funny n, i would not have known it was spanish

<markinux> puedes entrar a xubuntu-es?

<somerville32> noflex, sorry

<somerville32> Gah

<somerville32> Stupid auto nick autocomplete

<somerville32> markinux, No, sorry.

<MattJ> somerville32: The reason I haven't added anything to the adgenda is because you've done a good job in listing everything in the first place :)

<somerville32> haha :P

<somerville32> Be creative

<MattJ> Nono... I don't want to do that :P

<MattJ> Charlie mouse will be appearing everywhere then

<somerville32> Well, _atleast vote_ :D

<MattJ> kk :)

*** somerville32 changes topic to "Official Xubuntu Channel http://xubuntu.org | Xubuntu Edgy (6.10) is here! Please do _not_ use update-manager to dist-upgrade | Information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Get Xubuntu! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XubuntuReleases | Please join #xubuntu-offtopic for all non-support chat | Compositor menu not showing up in Edgy? See http://tinyurl.com/yj4t29 | Info about Nov 25th Meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings"

<joshritger> is there a decent picture viewer other than GQview

*** somerville32 changes topic to "Official Xubuntu Channel http://xubuntu.org | Xubuntu Edgy (6.10) is here! Please do _not_ use update-manager to dist-upgrade | Information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Get Xubuntu! https://xubuntu.org/get | Please join #xubuntu-offtopic for all non-support chat and #xubuntu-devel for dev chat | Compositor menu not showing up in Edgy? See http://tinyurl.com/yj4t29 | Info about Nov 25th Meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/"

* vidd wants a way to contribute

<somerville32> I'm happy you said that Vidd!

<somerville32> We're always looking for volunteers!

* vidd sucks at just about everything

<joshritger> vidd what other apps are there for picture viewing

<vidd> ....

<somerville32> vidd: http://xubuntu.org/devel

<vidd> gimp?

<joshritger> i have gimp, i mean just to view pics

<vidd> gimp?

<somerville32> lol

* somerville32 pokes vidd in the eye with a stick.

<vidd> you could also try gimp

<somerville32> joshritger, there are tons

<joshritger> what works best

<joshritger> in your opinion

* vidd knows VERY LITTLE about graphix

* vidd clicks on a pic file, gimp opens, vidd is happy

<joshritger> something that shows the pic scaled to the window would be nice because gq makes me use full screen to see the whole image

<joshritger> ok

<cellofellow> theres imagemagick display for viewing images

<cellofellow> just type display filename

<joshritger> k

* vidd see woman, vidd swing club, vidd take woman cave

<vidd> lol

<vidd> somerville32, what are launchpad accountds?

<somerville32> An account on launchpad

<somerville32> :]

* cellofellow has one for ordering shipit cd's

<somerville32> https://launchpad.net/people/cody-somerville

<somerville32> Thats my launchpad page

<vidd> cellofellow answered my question..i have one...

<vidd> no clue what it is, but i have one

<cellofellow> ubuntu users and dev community I think

<vidd> can one look thier account up by e-mail address or something?

<somerville32> Yup.

<somerville32> goto the login page

<vidd> www.launchpad.net?

<cellofellow> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/linuxfeatures

<cellofellow> do you think I beefed it up or porked it up?

* vidd has found his launchpad account!!!!

<vidd> cellofellow, looking now

<somerville32> Cellofellow: You might want to change linux to linux desktop or linux os

<cellofellow> just for clarity?

<cellofellow> most people don't really distinguish between the program and the OS

<vidd> exactly why it should be changed...and pointed out in the first paragraph

<cellofellow> oh, ok

<vidd> and it should be the linux OS...not the linux desktop

<cellofellow> cause, technically Linux is only one program, the kernel

<cellofellow> okiedokie

<vidd> and in the desktop section....point out one can choose NONE asa valid option

<vidd> the customization section should be broken dow a little

<cellofellow> well, ok. or maybe in the console section?

<vidd> into sub-sections

<cellofellow> ok

<vidd> and moved closer to the top

<cellofellow> alright. I wrote that one this morning in the car

<vidd> ....no-one commented on my blog....

<vidd> =[

<cellofellow> oops

* cellofellow goes to fix that

<MattJ> woohoo

<MattJ> Blender finished :)

<cellofellow> MattJ: show the work!

* vidd has simple needs

<vidd> the default set-up and java and flash and im happy

<vidd> open office cuzz the kid needs to use it in school

* cellofellow needs a game or two

* vidd is *&$* 8&%&% $^*&(*&^%$ (*^%$& @ the school too....

* cellofellow likes nethack, the original

<vidd> The kid had to bring his slide show thing back home and print it out cuzz the dont have Open Office in the school, and the kid forgot to save in M$ format

<cellofellow> that sucks

<vidd> AND he gets an automatic reduced grade cuzz it's going to be a day late

<somerville32> haha

<somerville32> Err..

<cellofellow> vidd: i need a little help on the customization section I sort of stumbled through it I'm not sure what it meens.

<somerville32> :(

<somerville32> Call the school and complain

* vidd is ready to go to that school and read them the riot act in 6 different languages

<cellofellow> tell them to install openoffice on like 1 computer just to be standards compliant

<vidd> Red Hat....Ubuntu....yellow-dog....Ill even pull out mandrake!

<somerville32> Buy your kid a laptop :P

<vidd> He broke his laptop

* vidd needs to replace the screen

<cellofellow> the library here has openoffice on their desktops. but it's 1.1 they pulled from a book on the shelves and it can't read opendoc

<vidd> ????

<cellofellow> noooooooo! not mandrake. OpenSUSE

<somerville32> How about.... Xubuntu?!

* vidd thought 1.1 INVENTED opendoc!

<cellofellow> no, 2.0 was the first version with OpenDoc

<MattJ> http://getjabber.no-ip.info/the_mice_on_it.png

<cellofellow> opendoc was built off of the older format

* vidd would quote the chapter and verse from APPLE befor *SUSE

<somerville32> mattj: Whats that for?

<cellofellow> vidd: is it cause of the M$/Novell deal? nothing's HAPPENED yet it's still a good distro

<MattJ> It needs a bit of polish

<MattJ> What's it for? :P

<cellofellow> MattJ: sweet nice reflections

<vidd> ....turncoat....*&(%&%*.....&$$#^%....NOVELL....*%&$$^

<somerville32> Yeha, whats it for?

<MattJ> It's for Xubuntu :D

<cellofellow> !language | vidd

<ubotu> vidd: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<vidd> they spoke OUT OF TURN!

<cellofellow> MattJ: yeah, can't really read the text too well.

<vidd> MattJ, SWEET!!!!

* vidd LIKES the glare effect

<vidd> just 2 shades darker....

<apokryphos> cellofellow: opensuse is a great distro, yes :)

<MattJ> :)

<cellofellow> if I ever were to get a full-powered machine, on would go opensuse

<MattJ> It's annoying... that took nearly an hour to render, but until I render it, I can't see what I need to change

<cellofellow> although, I like apt and neer tried anything else

<MattJ> I'll be back in the morning :)

<cellofellow> YaST is supposed to be alright

<vidd> it WAS....till SOMEONE put thier evil little mits on it

<cellofellow> vidd: they haven't done anything yet gee

<apokryphos> cellofellow: yast has the very best (undoubtably) graphical package front-ends

<cellofellow> and the opensuse thing should be relatively safe

<apokryphos> APT is a great package management system, but Smart is also great (which many suse users use, and which Ubuntu contemplated switching to)

<vidd> the made the agreemnet....sold thier soul to the DARK side

<cellofellow> apokryphos: doesn't yast have an aptitude-like thing

<apokryphos> cellofellow: in what way?

<cellofellow> non-X

<cellofellow> just wanted to know.

<apokryphos> yes; since suse 10.1 it uses rug

<cellofellow> all-graphic isn't good.

<vidd> MattJ, i think its awesome

<apokryphos> but I don't use rug or yast atm. I use smart.

<apokryphos> !smart

<ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager

* cellofellow is going to dinner

<cellofellow> darnit how do I go "away" in irssi?

<apokryphos> probably /away somemessage

<MattJ> /away

<MattJ> Good night all :)

<cellofellow> it's not wroking

<cellofellow> there

<somerville32> :]

<vidd> Jester41, you read my blog?

<Jester41> yes

<vidd> and?

<Jester41> and? what

<vidd> you didnt post any commeb=nts....what ya think?

<Jester41> um

<Jester41> not much

<Jester41> MS can have its fun

<MattJ> vidd: Where's your blog?

<Jester41> viddtalk.blogspot.com

<MattJ> Thanks :)

<MattJ> I'll take a look tomorrow

<vidd> viddview.blogspot.com

<somerville32> MY back hurts

<Jester41> oo

<Jester41> sorry

<Jester41> so close

<vidd> MattJ, what you use to draw yer pics?

<MattJ> Blender

<Jester41> somerville32: sounds like a personal problem

<somerville32> lol

<vidd> and this all started as app test?

<MattJ> Yep

<somerville32> What are you doing? :P

<vidd> http://getjabber.no-ip.info/the_mice_on_it.png

<MattJ> somerville32: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=48092

<vidd> make the top part a couple shades darker and we have our new default desktop backfround for fiesty

<MattJ> rofl

<MattJ> I need to lighten some of the mice, straighten the horizon, darken the background at the top

<vidd> it is STILL going to HAVE to be made part of the fiesty release

<vidd> the mice look fine

<vidd> well....the wiskers look a little weird but .... who cares

<MattJ> :D

<somerville32> !seen jmakz

<ubotu> I haven't seen jmakz recently

<MattJ> A comment on xfce-look said I should remove them

<somerville32> !seen jmak

<ubotu> I haven't seen jmak recently

<MattJ> I'll grab a pair of scissors and chop them off

<MattJ> See what happens

<vidd> without the wiskers, you can still tell they are mice

<vidd> WITH the wiskers...not so much

<somerville32> lmao @ alien nose thinger

<MattJ> Can you tell which one Charlie is? :P

<vidd> the one on the top

<MattJ> :D

<MattJ> Who told you?

<vidd> didnt need to be told

<MattJ> ^^

<cellofellow> hi

<MattJ> somerville32: Is promotion of Xubuntu on the agenda?

* vidd can usually tell you what the top card is on the chance/community chest decks in Monopoly

<somerville32> Mattj: I don't think it is <g>

<cellofellow> ????

<MattJ> It needs to be :)

<MattJ> Everyone forgets Xubuntu

<vidd> forgets who?

<vidd> lol

<MattJ> !es

<ubotu> Para Español por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrán mas ayuda.

<MattJ> See ^

<MattJ> :P

<cellofellow> well, the whiskers look sort of strange, but that's the least of the worries

<MattJ> cellofellow: Other worries?

<cellofellow> can't read the text on the top, and if there was more detail so the bottom looked more like a mirror or less like a mirror it would be better.

<cellofellow> like more detail in pic so the bottom looks more mirror-like, or a more textured bottom so it looks like shiny metal instead

<MattJ> I know what you mean

<MattJ> Oki

<vidd> do we have anyone here that is on the release commity (desides what does or does not go into the next release)?

<cellofellow> uh, may have to use email

<MattJ> vidd: 74 people here

<MattJ> You should know... open-source is led by it's users :)

<MattJ> :D

<MattJ> Bed -->

<MattJ> 'night

<cellofellow> MattJ: make bottom glassy water

<cellofellow> that might work

<MattJ> Good idea

<vidd> i can troubleshoot, write a little, make suggestions....

<vidd> but I cant DECIDE what goes in or out!

<cellofellow> and maybe some roundness in the mice

<cellofellow> instead of being little boards

<MattJ> Yeah, I was having a go at that

<MattJ> It's tricky :) Needs some work

<MattJ> I ended up with odd-looking mice

<cellofellow> I know it Blender isn't easy

<MattJ> It certainly isn't :D

<somerville32> Mattj: Then you should add it ;]

<MattJ> Most of that is down to bad UI

<cellofellow> it's a different UI. K3D is GTK so I might try that

<MattJ> I closed my browser

<MattJ> Will do tomorrow :)

<cellofellow> do what tommowow?

<cellofellow> don't just swithch K3D just like that.

<MattJ> wiki...meeting...agenda...

* vidd is still reading the link somerville32 gave me....http://xubuntu.org/devel

<cellofellow> oh, ok

<somerville32> :]

<MattJ> now...must...sleep...ZZZzzz

* somerville32 is cold.

* somerville32 shivers.

<cellofellow> why

<somerville32> It is cold, haha :P

<cellofellow> vidd: what's your favorite "customization" features. Be sort of desktop-agnostic. Not totally though.

<cellofellow> compared to Windows of course, what's better etc.

<cellofellow> somerville32: you can pipe in too.

<somerville32> Thunar

<somerville32> I love Thunar :D

* vidd likes the fact that i can put taskbar icons where i want them....

* cellofellow thinks it's nice and useful but like Konqueror too. Although konq is bloat when you just want to manage files.

* vidd likes having only one taskbar,

* Jester41 likes 3

* cellofellow has two

* vidd also likes being able to rightclick ANYWRE on the desktop to bring up the menu bar (kinda like the windows key in windows

* cellofellow is toying with panels

<cellofellow> oh, yeah. it's nice but I like being able to set the wallpaper without too much hastle

* vidd likes that he can have his porn dvd on full screen and just hit ^<alt> <- to hide it when the kid comes in the room

<somerville32> :]

<cellofellow> now, I must say that panel launchers are much better than the windows quick launch toolbar

* Jester41 thinks about sound :)

<vidd> duh....headphones

<somerville32> :]

* cellofellow likes having things modular so that one thing crashes the rest keeps running and the one can be restarted

* vidd has mp3 open on other desktop

<vidd> ^ <alt> <bksp> to reload everything without COMPLETELY shutting down

<vidd> ^^^^ saves time

<vidd> harder to accednentally delete critical files

<cellofellow> all good stuff drat I'll forget before it's on the page

* cellofellow just finished customizing panels

<vidd> cellofellow, doent you log your chat?

<cellofellow> i think so

<tich_> i tried to install flash 9 beta but now whenever i load a page with flash firefox crashes.

<cellofellow> I can scroll back and read log files it's ok

<vidd> did you remove the old flash first?

<tich_> vidd i never installed it.

<vidd> what version of FF?

<tich_> this is a fresh install.

<tich_> ff 2.0

<vidd> havent played with it:(

<vidd> edgy?

<tich_> do you have flash9 working? i thought it needed ff 2

<tich_> yep edgy.

* vidd has 1.5 with flash 9

<tich_> huh.

<cellofellow> vidd must have dapper

<tich_> are you running edgy?

<vidd> yeah

<cellofellow> 1.5 on dapper?

<vidd> dapper here

<vidd> edgy wont print 4 me

<vidd> =[

<vidd> ida gone back to breezy if i had to to get this printer to work

<tich_> that's too bad, i almost went back to dapper because of the wireless issue

<vidd> still might if the networking dont get str8

<cellofellow> oh, yeah. you still got printing problems?

<vidd> the linux box print in dapper gnome ONLY

<cellofellow> you try samba? the ipp/cups wasn't wroking I know that.

<vidd> but now wont network

<vidd> +{

* cellofellow has a less-than-vanilla debian print server with cups ipp working

<cellofellow> is it the server or the client?

<vidd> i cant get the server to install right

<cellofellow> is it an HP printer? I couldn't get HP printers working in dapper.

<vidd> yeah...hp

<vidd> only works in gnome, not xfce

<cellofellow> that makes no sense they both use cups

*** somerville32 changes topic to "Official Xubuntu Channel http://xubuntu.org | Xubuntu Edgy (6.10) is here! Please do _not_ use update-manager to dist-upgrade | Information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Get Xubuntu! https://xubuntu.org/get | Please join #xubuntu-offtopic for all non-support chat and #xubuntu-devel for dev chat | Compositor menu not showing up in Edgy? See http://tinyurl.com/yj4t29 | Info about Nov 25th Meeting: https://wikiXubuntu/Meet"

<somerville32> Grr..

<somerville32> it is cutting it off, haha

* vidd is about to install xfce on this gnome box and see if the printer breaks

<cellofellow> ok

<somerville32> brb

<vidd> well...not tonight....its late

<vidd> and i want to finish readinthe development page B$ i go to bed....

*** somerville32 changes topic to "Official Xubuntu Channel http://xubuntu.org | Xubuntu Edgy (6.10) is here! Please do _not_ use update-manager to dist-upgrade | Information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Get Xubuntu! https://xubuntu.org/get | Please join #xubuntu-offtopic for all non-support chat and #xubuntu-devel for dev chat | Compositor menu not showing up in Edgy? See http://tinyurl.com/yj4t29 | Info about Nov 25th Meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/"

* somerville32 sighs.

* vidd wants to let somerville32 know what i can do to contribute

<somerville32> :D

* somerville32 listens.

<apokryphos> somerville32: what link do you want to add precisely?

<somerville32> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

*** apokryphos changes topic to "Xubuntu Support http://xubuntu.org | Xubuntu Edgy (6.10) is here! DON'T use dist-upgrade/update-manager to upgrade! | Information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Developers: #xubuntu-devel General chatter: #xubuntu-offtopic | Compositor menu not showing up in Edgy? See http://tinyurl.com/yj4t29 | Info about Nov 25th Meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings"

<somerville32> :D

<ellioTb> you should change it one more time

<vidd> ellioTb, did you read my blog?

<ellioTb> is there more on it

<somerville32> Do you expect everyone to have read your blog? :P

<apokryphos> no

* vidd made spelling corrections

<vidd> =]

<nikosapi> Hi, I seem to have lost all my panels in xubuntu dapper after doing a "sudo halt", all I'm left with is my desktop background and when I right click I get the applications menu. Help?

<ellioTb> ahhh, i havent read it since you ran spell check

<ellioTb> nikosapi, alt+f2, then type in Terminal

<ellioTb> from console, run xfce4-panel

<vidd> oh...and JKnife made a pic so i linked it

<somerville32> nikosapi: Press alt+f2 and type in: xfce4-panel

<PuMpErNiCkLe> ellioTb: Why not just run xfce4-panel directly from the run-window?

<ellioTb> cause the added step is for fun

<somerville32> :]

<PuMpErNiCkLe> :>

<nikosapi> ellioTb: yes but then the applications button and a bunch of others are missing. Where is the xfce start up scritp that I can add that to?

<ellioTb> and i am a noob, and it was the first time i could actually answer a question in here

<vidd> there are at least 4 different ways to do things in linux and they are ALL the right way for SOMEONE

<nikosapi> applications button*

<ellioTb> hrmmm, you can right click on the panel, go to add new item

<ellioTb> and readd the applications menu, plus the others you lost

<nikosapi> yeah, I know ... what a pain...

<ellioTb> if "readd" is a word

<ellioTb> easier than editing scripts prolly

<ellioTb> do you have to add it each time you log in?

* vidd invents words too ellioTb

<somerville32> Link to blog?

<vidd> http://viddview.blogspot.com/

<ellioTb> i used to have a blog called "you know what really grinds my gears"

<ellioTb> used to write about some funny stuff

<cellofellow> vidd: the back-end that runs the comments is sort of not working

* ellioTb wonders where it is

<vidd> :/

* cellofellow will check his blogger blog too

<cellofellow> working now

<cellofellow> that was a couple of hours ago :/

<ellioTb> cellofellow, your mom just called, said she is worried about your grades

<cellofellow> ellioTb: don't get any homeschooled :D

<ellioTb> dang, i should have remembered that

<somerville32> What a bunch of FUD :P

<vidd> WHAT IS fud?

<vidd> ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

<nikosapi> mkay, you know the button in the top right that allows you to turn off the computer, now it only offers to quit the panel. What command does xubuntu use to display the shutdown,restart,logoff options?

<ellioTb> hrmm

* vidd considers prying the caps-lock key off the keyboard

<somerville32> !fud

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<ellioTb> !fubar

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fubar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<somerville32> !fud is short for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

<vidd> !windows

<ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents

<cellofellow> vidd: you haven't openned comments to the world on your blog. I had to sign in with my blogger account.

<vidd> WTF!!!!

<cellofellow> just click the check box.

<cellofellow> darnit I can't log in to blogger with a blogger-beta account

<ellioTb> oh man, that mindfreak guy is on tv

* cellofellow should right something on his blog it hasn't been posted on since july.

<cellofellow> write

<ellioTb> f blogs

<cellofellow> and my blog is a diary-thing not a real blog with a subject I need to clean it up.

<vidd> fixed (i think)

<ellioTb> i found mine

<ellioTb> http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&Mytoken=97EA2087-09C6-4C8B-9C58A2D33781B0B723570636

<cellofellow> yes it is

<ellioTb> prolly won't take you to it

* cellofellow is forbidden to go onto MySpace

<ellioTb> http://blog.myspace.com/elliotboney

* vidd has to register

<ellioTb> why, cause of all the child predators

<ellioTb> you shouldn't have to register to go to that link i hope

<cellofellow> yeah mostly

<ellioTb> its from a year ago

<ellioTb> cellofellow, your parents aren't worried about sheltering you too much

<vidd> ellioTb, its up

<vidd> cellofellow, how old?

<cellofellow> ellioTb: I have my run of the web mostly

<cellofellow> 16

<ellioTb> always feel bad for home school kids

<Jester41> what is the default audio driver

<vidd> why ellioTb ?

<Jester41> alsa?

<ellioTb> high school is when all of the things that are best in life happen to you

<ellioTb> and the worst

<cellofellow> don't. I feel bad for all of the public school kids that I get to, er, lead.

<cellofellow> leadership is a big deal.

<ellioTb> lead?

<ellioTb> in boy scouts?

<ellioTb> sucks when the hottest girl in school is your mom

<cellofellow> it's a concept of having a leadership education like Thomas Jefferson et al instead of like Joe Bloe

<vidd> JROTC?

<vidd> ellioTb, lol

<ellioTb> how do you learn social skills to lead?

<somerville32> Practice

* vidd would have been better off home schooled but it was not accepted in the late 80's

<vidd> *as accepted

<ellioTb> where do you make your friends?

<cellofellow> nope. it wasn't. I know people who had to HIDE during that time.

<cellofellow> co-op, seminary, symphony

<ellioTb> i am just interested, not trying to be critical

<vidd> truancy officer was ALWAYS at the door....

<vidd> had to hide my dope....

<ellioTb> lol

<ellioTb> i just can't imagine staying at home and not getting to go to school

<vidd> wake my mom up so she could tell the kiddy cop i was ok to be home

<vidd> ellioTb, remember that kid you beat the crap out off twice a week in school?

<ellioTb> yeah, he belonged in home school, lol

<vidd> he chose me to pick on

<ellioTb> one of the girls in high school i gave the hardest time to is now my gf of 4 years

<ellioTb> but back then, she had blue hair, was one of those goth kids or whatever they are called

* vidd learned how to move dope, lie to the police, steal cars and market firearms from MY puplic education

<ellioTb> met her again 6 years down the road, and started dating

<ellioTb> well thats what happened when you were cooped up at home

<vidd> I wasnt cooped up at home....

<ellioTb> seems like if you home schooled your kids, you are dooming them to a life of social problems

<vidd> i SHOULD have been

<Jester41> whats the default auido driver

<ellioTb> lol

<vidd> It was almost too late for me....

<vidd> then i joined the army and the str8n'd me out right, sharp, direct and with a QUICKNESS

<ellioTb> whew, lucky for you

<Jester41> !asla

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<Jester41> !alsa

<ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin

<ellioTb> otherwise it was a life of star trek and alone time

<vidd> then i hooked up with a girl that was just like what i USED to be, ruined my military career and i crawled into a bottle for 8 years

<vidd> But im on the str8 and narrow again....been dry for like 7 years

<ellioTb> i have been sober for almost a year and a half now

<cellofellow> the cat dragged in a LIVE mouse and I had to catch it by its tail and throw it ut

<cellofellow> out

<vidd> hopefully I can get back into school and get me a degree before i die

<ellioTb> shoulda kept it

<Jester41> vidd: or that business right

<ellioTb> vidd, yeah i took a year off from school cause i was doing so bad, sobered up, now i am back making the best grades i ever had

<cellofellow> the mouse was sort of injured, and it was "attacking" my sister.

<ellioTb> started drinking in about 6th grade though

<Jester41> cellofellow: new pet... why you get rit of it

<vidd> Jester41, i still want to get a degree

<cellofellow> sister

<ellioTb> vidd, its amazing the grades you make when you don't drink everyday, and take tests hung over

<cellofellow> If I could have healed it and cleaned it and gotten a cage, yeah new pet it was cute but it had been chewed on by a cat

<Jester41> that jmust be what bill gates feals like

<vidd> my goodie-two-shoes twin brother has 2 degrees (dont use either one of them)

<Jester41> o wait he could start a college just ot pass him

<ellioTb> vidd, yeah i got a lil sister than has never drank, 2 years younger and is about to graduate

<Jester41> cruchy

<ellioTb> and taking the LSAT in dec

<Jester41> LSAT?

<cellofellow> Jester41: the mouse?

<Jester41> mine are just SAT

<Jester41> yes the mouse would be cruchy

* cellofellow ought to take the ACT soon.

<ellioTb> yours are just SAT?

<ellioTb> LSAT = for law school

<Jester41> on the 14 i get to take a pratice on

<Jester41> ellioTb: o

<vidd> my bro has a dgree in comp sci and education....

<ellioTb> i'll graduate in 2 years

<vidd> he can't teach a dog to growl and dont know jack about computers

<ellioTb> 8 year plan

<Jester41> humm im in 10th grade but get to take a test that 12th graders suck on

<Jester41> vidd: what waa that business about anyway

<cellofellow> when I was in fourth grade, I passed the Washington Assesment of Student Learning (WASL) at a 12th grade level.

<vidd> assymbling workstations to rune pure open source

<vidd> and selling to businesses

<ellioTb> here is your first tip at socialization, no one likes a bragger

<cellofellow> ellioTb: oh, sorry

<Jester41> vidd: like as in making the thing

<cellofellow> :-(

<ellioTb> heheh, i am just messing with you

<ellioTb> second lesson, don't take sh*t from bullies

<ellioTb> just jedi mind trick them

<cellofellow> ok

<ellioTb> ask them a really hard math prob, then run

<vidd> making, distributing, installing and support

* cellofellow is the oldest in the co-op no bullies there.

<ellioTb> wtf kinda co-op is it

<Jester41> vidd: and how was i supost to help

<vidd> need a web designer

<ellioTb> i thought co-ops was a system of real property ownership

<cellofellow> cooperative school. mom's teach different subjects

<cellofellow> http://polarstaryouth.org

<ellioTb> i hope there are pics on there

<cellofellow> some, but only like 2 of me

<ellioTb> wow, you should shoot the mom that teaches web design

<Jester41> vidd: i dont think i can do that

<cellofellow> I'm in charge of the blog, and the calendar, but was forbidden to mess with the actuall site

<Jester41> vidd: all i can do is hand written html

<cellofellow> point is none do

<ellioTb> oh my god, that one pic of the girl from some cowboy show

<ellioTb> she looks like the grudge has taken her

<ellioTb> http://polarstaryouth.org/Gallery1/photos/MuchNothing_16

<ellioTb> haha

<ellioTb> well two of your galleries work

<cellofellow> the others I'm still working on

<ellioTb> lemme guess, you are the guy with the glasses

<cellofellow> the others are dead links forgot about that page

<cellofellow> which pic?

<cellofellow> i'm not the only one

<ellioTb> mock trial

<ellioTb> first pic

<cellofellow> never did mock trial so it aint

<Jester41> please please please somone tell me a command to lower the volume

<somerville32> Use the mixer?

<ellioTb> Jester41, install the volume plugin for the panel

<cellofellow> alsa-mixer might work

<somerville32> Turn down your speakers?

<Jester41> i need command line control

<ellioTb> cellofellow, slim pickings on the ladies huh

<Jester41> somerville32: keyboard have volume scroll and i want to use it

<somerville32> It works in Gnome

<somerville32> but I could never get it to work in Xfce4

<vidd> volume control wigit

<cellofellow> sort of. 95% of us are mormon and now most of the kids are 14- and i'm 16 the ones my age go to one of two private schools that cost $$$$

<Jester41> i need cli control

<ellioTb> i almost asked if you guys were mormon

<vidd> dont knock the mormons....they knock back

<ellioTb> i didn't

<vidd> orson scott card is a mormon (i think)

<cellofellow> stop poking around the aweful website, I put together the blog check it.

<vidd> ever read ender's game?

<cellofellow> yep

<ellioTb> lol, i closed it a while ago

<vidd> how 'bout ender's shadow?

* cellofellow played a symphony peice by the same name last week

<cellofellow> nope just the game

<ellioTb> do all of you kids at school have the same dad?

<cellofellow> you bringin this up cause Orson Scot Card's a mormon?

<vidd> ya GOT to re-read game...then pick up "shadow"

<vidd> the add got me!

<cellofellow> no way. you ought not to do that you KNOW polygamy was outlawed like 120 years ago.

<vidd> its legal in utah

<ellioTb> who the hell is that

<cellofellow> vidd: the next in the series is Speaker for the Dead not Ender's Shadow.

<ellioTb> outlawed, doesn't stop em at all

<Jester41> mutipule wives

<ellioTb> i saw how many million dollars those people in utah steal from the gov't a year

<vidd> chronologicly, the shadow sub-series is next

<ellioTb> collecting welfare

<cellofellow> well, the church banned it so that they could make it a state and that's when the FLDS church apostitized.

<Jester41> i dont see a problem withpolygamy

<ellioTb> with wealthy baby daddies

<cellofellow> that's warren jeffs

<ellioTb> Jester41, get a gf, then ask her if she is down with it

<ellioTb> there ya go

<ellioTb> i saw this long documentary on it

<ellioTb> the guys were all douches

<Jester41> lol

<Jester41> ellioTb: had one but never tought of it

<ellioTb> and i would take my gf over 6 of the fat donkeys they were sleeping with anyday

<Jester41> but they owtlawed it becuase someone was doing

<somerville32> !seen keybuk

<ubotu> I last saw Keybuk (i=scott@conference/ubuntuconf/x-57fe57333d405d0d) 1h 35m 23s ago, quiting: "Leaving"

<cellofellow> well, the FLDS people do it wrong. It's really a shame that they've pererted the way of the lord.

<Jester41> it so some girls dont care

<ellioTb> what did john smith say about polygamy

<vidd> to wich of his wives?

<ellioTb> and why can't you drink caffeine? that has always baffled me

<vidd> sorry...that was wrong

<Jester41> http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=81546548&imageID=1169749333

<Jester41> http://myspace-694.vo.llnwd.net/01227/49/64/1227194694_m.jpg

<Jester41> my pics

<ellioTb> http://picasaweb.google.com/elliotboney

<Jester41> took my a bit to remeber my old email for myspace

<ellioTb> go look at my halloween ones

<ellioTb> me as borat

<Jester41> nice

<ellioTb> be back in a bit, need some wendy's

<vidd> ellioTb, on your )old) blog...you holding a 45?

<cellofellow> why is it that the first thing to peoples minds about mormons is polygamy?

<vidd> cuzz they jelous?

<cellofellow> ha ha ha

<cellofellow> what else do you know?

<ellioTb> 9mm

<ellioTb> i wanna know about caffeine!

<ellioTb> why can't you drink it

<vidd> please note, the first thing i thought about was thier best know novelist

<cellofellow> vidd: oh, yeah. that's right. :-)

<ellioTb> hurry cause i gotta get some wendy's!

<vidd> its ther pervs that brought up polygamy

<cellofellow> ellioTb: well, the word of wisdom says "no hot drinks", and when Joseph Smith was asked about that, he said tea and coffee. Later it was realized they had caffeine so it was broadened.

<ellioTb> but red bull isn't hot

<cellofellow> well, yeah didn't I say broadened?

<Jester41> soda..

<ellioTb> who broadened it

<vidd> the sin is the stuff INSIDE coffee and tea (caffeen)

<vidd> the church

<cellofellow> well, the caffeine bit is optional, alchohol and tobbaco are the real no nos

<Jester41> caffeine is wonderfull

* vidd wouldnt last 3 minutes as a mormon....

<ellioTb> vidd failed speeeelling bee

* vidd smokes like a house on fire

* ellioTb gonna get some coke and smoke a cig, i wouldn't last either

<ellioTb> coke as is to drink btw

<somerville32> I like juice :]

<ellioTb> bbl

<somerville32> Orange juice (the real stuff)

<somerville32> and apple juice

<Jester41> tobbaco is a plant and alchohol is just poop

<cellofellow> well, the whole point of the Word of Wisdom is health

<cellofellow> it's like the jews kosher

<vidd> Jester41, i spent 8 years in a bottle.

<Jester41> ooo noooo

<Jester41> i just noticed my name is 41 not 45

* vidd has been dry for 7 years now

<Jester41> o nooo

<somerville32> :]

* somerville32 has been dry his whole life.

<vidd> somerville32, NO SHOWERS?

<somerville32> haha

<somerville32> Afraid not

* cellofellow commented on vidd's blog

* Jester41 holds his nose

* somerville32 sneezes.

<cellofellow> ever done a con con?

<vidd> ?

<cellofellow> Constitutional Convention simulation?

<vidd> nope

* cellofellow has done 2 and doing another one soon

<cellofellow> it's really cool

<vidd> i do recall a time i drove over to my mom's house so my bro could drive me to work cuzz i was too drunk to drive

<vidd> at 2 in the afternoon

<cellofellow> gee, you've had a rough life

* vidd was working in a plating factory @ the time

<vidd> cyonide tanks, caustics, zink-oxide dip tanks

<vidd> all kinds of stuff you shouldnt be drunk around

<cellofellow> yeah

<cellofellow> you're lucky, sort of

<vidd> lucky i didnt kill my self?

<vidd> the way i was headed i should have

<cellofellow> yeah

* vidd needs to go rack out

<somerville32> rack out?

<vidd> go to bed

<Nchalada> goto sleep

<somerville32> Oh.

<vidd> l8r

<Nchalada> bye

<moshe> hello, folks

<Nchalada> lo

<moshe> does anyone here use the nvidia proprietary driver with xfce?

<Nchalada> nup

<Nchalada> ati here

<moshe> I just enabled it and now my fonts in xfce went all weird

<cellofellow> yes

<cellofellow> hmmm

<moshe> all my app fonts are smaller, and when I enlarge them, firefox's fonts then become distractingly large

<cellofellow> oh, I think I have that, but never bothered to fix it.

<moshe> heh

<moshe> I remember there being a way to fix this, but I can't remember what it was

<moshe> the strange thing is that in gnome, all the fonts are normal

* cellofellow sits sort of close to his screen so small fonts don't bother him

<moshe> regular gtk apps and firefox show the same font sizes

<Jester41> is there a way to login to a terminal from an outside computer

<cellofellow> I used to use kde, but firefox would have small fonts the rest was ok

<cellofellow> Jester41: SSH. is that what you want?

<Jester41> i dont know what i want

<Jester41> well

<moshe> ahh

<moshe> got it

<cellofellow> just a remote login, terminal right?

<Jester41> i know what i want to do

<Jester41> yes

<moshe> the option is in firefox. simply tell it to use the system setting for dpi

<cellofellow> moshe: I'm all ears

<cellofellow> ok

<cellofellow> whare's that? about:config?

<moshe> and then restart firefox. it didn't happen immediately

<moshe> I'm sure it is, but it's in the preference menu under fonts

<Jester41> cellofellow: how do you do a remote login

<cellofellow> Jester41: first install ssh on the computer you want to log into.

<cellofellow> package ssh

<Jester41> then

<cellofellow> darnit moshe left

<cellofellow> then ssh user@hostname

<cellofellow> command

<cellofellow> to get to it from a windows client, use PuTTy

<Jester41> ?

<Jester41> i want from linux to linux

<cellofellow> it's all really involved. just install ssh on both machines actually not just the server

<Jester41> on the outside comuter type ssh user@ipaddres?

<cellofellow> you'd have to port forwar 22

<Jester41> k

<cellofellow> for internet access

<cellofellow> but, yeah, that's it

<Jester41> one more question

<Jester41> for portforwarding

<cellofellow> portforward.com has router specific instructions

<somerville32> Whose around?

<Jester41> i have modem ->router->comuters

<cellofellow> you have to pick one to be the ssh server

<Jester41> can i forward all ports to router

<cellofellow> that's DMZ don't do that

<Jester41> then router forwaRD FEW PORTS TO EACH

<Jester41> the router has to forward also

<Jester41> but my modem can only forwaRD TO THE router

<Jester41> it cant get past it

<cellofellow> the router uses usually IPtables to block certain ports. you can have the router forward port 22 which it usually rejects to say 192.168.0.4

<cellofellow> what?

<Jester41> the modem can only forward my ports to the router

<wayne> Jester41: the link between the router and the modem is full-blown, you don't need to to anything there. It's the router that "relays" stuff to pcs further down, if required

<Jester41> the modem cant see past that

<cellofellow> this is firewall stuff with the router hang on one step at a time install ssh on the computers

<cellofellow> you have firewall on modem AND router?

<Jester41> yes

<wayne> Jester41: cable or DSL?

<cellofellow> then dmz router, and forward 22 on ROUTER to internal host

<Jester41> DSL

<wayne> Jester41: what model of modem?

<cellofellow> dmz router from modem.

<Jester41> so should i forward all ports to router

<cellofellow> usually modems don't have firewalls

<Jester41> then distrbute from the router

<cellofellow> yeah you only need one nat

<wayne> Jester41: do you use a "PPPoE" login anywhere to access your provider? If so, where do you type it in?

<Jester41> my modem is specila

<Jester41> um

<Jester41> i think i use it

<Jester41> and if i do its on router

<wayne> then you probably do NOT ahve any sort of routing in your modem.

<cellofellow> my modem is a router/modem/wireless, so I disabled the routing tech on the router and used it as switch and used modem as modem/gateway

<Jester41> or i mean

<Jester41> if i do its on modem

<wayne> Jester41: ok then why do you have an extra router under it?

<cellofellow> the modem shouldn't be able to see anything or have a firewall or anything it just converts DSL data to Ethernet

<Jester41> the modem only has one etho port

<Jester41> well i just got a new router

<Jester41> my old one was jsut tehre

<wayne> Jester41: okay then you have two scenarios and usually you chose the one with the best "features". Either A) You disable everything from the modem and end up with a "pass-through", and use your #2 router as an actual router

<cellofellow> if it has a firewall, you'd be better off with a switch or disabling stuff on the router so it acts like a switch

<Jester41> the modem seen my computers

<Jester41> but now my modem only sees router

<wayne> or B) you use your #2 router as a switch for extra ports (not using the WAN port) and use the software of the modem to route

<cellofellow> modem is a node, right? not just a little translater thing.

<wayne> so first you must decide WHICH you want, then setup will be easy.

<cellofellow> wayne's B is what I do

<wayne> cellofellow: many modems are fullbown NAT boxes too.

<wayne> and sometimes the NAT software of the modem is of superior quality of the "router" box one

<cellofellow> I couldn't get my ISP to just give me a plain modem I had to use the router/nat/wireless thing

<cellofellow> I had a wireless router already

<wayne> heh i got a good old alcatel one from ebay at 30$ years ago

<Jester41> io have a netyoptia modem

<Jester41> netopia

<wayne> Jester41: and what roouter do you have?

<Jester41> and a dlink router

<cellofellow> brand doesn't matter. if it has an ip address that matters

<Jester41> im looking for model

<Jester41> oo

<Jester41> remote acces to modem

<cellofellow> I suggest disable NAT and DHCP and other services on the dlink, and use the modem as a NAT/Gateway

<somerville32> My router died

<wayne> Jester41: typically, the best approach is to turn off the NAT features of the modem and use it as a "pass-through" device. You will gain one extra connector.

<somerville32> And now I'm forced to use this computer w/ windows.

<Jester41> ok

<cellofellow> somerville32: usb modem?

<wayne> (because the router uses the WAN port, which is #5 on the box, making 4 conenctors available)

<Jester41> i want to have it like before

<somerville32> cellowfellow: Nope.

<cellofellow> Jester41: you need to have only ONE NAT, cutting through two is a big pain

<Jester41> i want modem to do port stuff and the router to not even seem to be there

<wayne> Jester41: what model of router do you have?

<cellofellow> so, either disable stuff on the modem, or the router

<somerville32> He can't do things on the modem

<somerville32> The modem only sees the router.

<wayne> reset it, plug the computer directly into it

<cellofellow> Jester41: then disable stuff on the router till it's a dumb switch

<Jester41> i can access both

<cellofellow> is there a NAT on the router?

<cellofellow> and DHCP, and other services?

<Jester41> um

<somerville32> cellowfellow: Of course there is NAT :P

<Jester41> there si lots

<Jester41> it even has a setup wizard

<cellofellow> but he can access the modem. When I double-natted myself, I couldn't access a thing

<cellofellow> Jester41: disable them and just use the modem

<cellofellow> so the router only routes packets

<cellofellow> and the modem sits between the local net and the internet

<wayne> Jester41: how many devices (computers) do you plan on connecting to this whole shebang?

<somerville32> Guys...

<cellofellow> somerville32: what?

<somerville32> I doubt his modem acts as a router if it only has one eth port.

<wayne> somerville32: there are tons of modem who do that

<Jester41> well i have 3 computers xbox

<wayne> either metric or imperial

<Jester41> somerville32: i think it did before

<wayne> Jester41: ok so that's 4 in total? And your DLINK router has 4 ports?

<cellofellow> it probably does NAT. I've a wireless router/dsl modem with only one eth port I plugged it into my router which I dumbed.

<Jester41> somerville32: i had an old server 25 port monster that didnt show on the network

<Jester41> the modem noticed all the devices

<Jester41> wayne: yes its full

<wayne> Jester41: allright. Are you authenticated to services here on freenode? I would like to send you via query a list of tasks to setup your network.

<cellofellow> lets not forget the point. he wants to port forward so he can use SSH for remote access.

<cellofellow> Jester41: if you aint, /msg nickserv REGISTER apassword

<somerville32> cellofellow: Well, now that that is over... wanna help me update the Xubuntu wiki pages? :D

<Jester41> wayne: you losted me at authenticated

<wayne> Jester41: ok join this channel #xubuntu-jester

<cellofellow> somerville32: I dunno I don't have a wiki account

<somerville32> Have a launchpad account?

<cellofellow> yes

<somerville32> Then you have wiki account <g>

<cellofellow> be right there, I think. I don't have a huge amount of experience never written wiki docs

<cellofellow> somerville32: what you want me to write on?

<somerville32> One sec, getting things setup in my browser

<cellofellow> crap forgot launchpad passwd one second

<cellofellow> or minute

<ellioTb> your mom forgot launchpad passwd

<cellofellow> ellioTb: Napolean Dynamite was made by mormons

<cellofellow> :D

<ellioTb> nice

<ellioTb> do you own a llama

<cellofellow> no

<cellofellow> just a little dog

<cellofellow> my neighbors have miniature horses

<ellioTb> i have 3

<ellioTb> 3 dogs, two cats, two birds and a fish

<cellofellow> little dog, 3 cats, and a dead mouse

<cellofellow> nice managerie

<cellofellow> dead mouse eaten by cat

<cellofellow> cats

<cellofellow> actually

<cellofellow> somerville32: how's that comming? I was just updating my launchpad account

<ellioTb> wtf is launchpad

<somerville32> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<somerville32> :D

<ellioTb> bite a boner, i said "f"

<cellofellow> ellioTb: it's a community for the wiki's and the IRC and stuff.

<cellofellow> !launchpad

<ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/

<ellioTb> cellofellow, nice

<ellioTb> was just reading it

<somerville32> cellofellow, I'm going to work on moving some old wiki stuff to the new website.

<cellofellow> somerville32: ok, so I help with that?

<somerville32> cellofellow, do you want to compile a list of pages that need updating and we can review what needs to be done?

<ellioTb> gaim needs updating :)

* somerville32 grins.

<cellofellow> well, ok. I've half an hour or so till bedtime

<ellioTb> its past mine

<ellioTb> gotta get up early to go to the ceramics studio :/

<ellioTb> :\

<cellofellow> linux is cooler than pots

<cellofellow> what's the irssi command for leaving a query?

<ellioTb> i used to know

<ellioTb> xchat FTW!

<cellofellow> irssi

<jah_raztah> will xubuntu version 6.10 get xfce RC2

<jah_raztah> it has been out for over a week

<cellofellow> what? it's been out a long time

<somerville32> Most likely not

<cellofellow> and it has rc 1

<jah_raztah> lots and lots of bug fixes

<jah_raztah> in rc2

<ellioTb> i only have beta 2

<jah_raztah> are there any xubuntu devs in here?

* somerville32 raises his hand.

<jah_raztah> ok

* ellioTb raises his hand, oh wait, devs, thought you said noobs

<jah_raztah> i wanted to make sure i was getting the correct information from a dev

<somerville32> Well, in that case

<somerville32> Let me correct myself

<somerville32> There are currently no plans to do so.

<jah_raztah> so rc2 will not make it to 6.10

<jah_raztah> ohh ok

<cellofellow> it missed the cuttof.

<ellioTb> if i want rc2, can't i just install it

<jah_raztah> is it difficult to compile and install it over my current xubuntu xfce version?

<jah_raztah> i have never compiled desktop environment

<some