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<dsas> popey: Not an official task, but there's no reason not to raise awareness of ourselves :)

<popey> indeed

<popey> :)

* dsas wonders if there's anywhere else you can pimp these

<popey> ubuntuvideo.org :)

* popey submits

<dsas> I must have missed that one somehow

<popey> er, .com

<dsas> hmm, I think I've saw some of those videos on youtube before...the cat feeder one I remember seeing.

<LionsPhil> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ubuntu_powered_cat_feeder

<LionsPhil> Heh, snap.

<LionsPhil> Yeah, click it while it's playing. It's also on YouTube.

<dsas> and just after watching popeys screencast I get the "updates available" pop-up

<flurble> wargh

<flurble> my laptop is ignoring my usb cable

<dsas> hmm, maybe I should've bumped the version number when installing my own patched ephy package.

<popey> "all" that ubuntuvideo do is cull stuff that's already online from youtube and google

<popey> I don't believe they actually create any content, and they certainly don't host any

<dsas> popey: Yeah, it's just nice to have it all in one place..

<flurble> is there a module that should automatically detect usb things plugged in?

<dsas> flurble: Is that what "hotplug" does?

<flurble> I don't usually have hotplug loaded, I don't think

<popey> what does dmesg say when you plug the usb thing in?

<popey> and what kind of usb thing is it?

<flurble> popey: it says nothing at all

<flurble> popey: it's my camera

<flurble> popey: it worked a couple of hours ago

<flurble> so, I might have pulled the camera out without unmounting it, in between. but usually it lets me get away with that.

<popey> i have had that too

<flurble> Nov 8 20:36:27 fluffy kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda

<flurble> Nov 8 20:36:27 fluffy kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete

<flurble> Nov 8 22:13:43 fluffy kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 2

<flurble> Nov 8 22:13:44 fluffy kernel: 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device

<popey> ooer

<flurble> and no entries since then, except me trying to load/unload modules to persuade it to take some notice of me

<popey> you could try "rmmoding" the usb modules

<popey> oh, you have

<dsas> that just means it didn't unmount properly I think.

<dsas> as in the filesystem didn't unmount properly.

<flurble> so normally either it notices it's gone, and it comes back up on sda, or it doesn't notice it's gone, and next time it comes up on sdb

<flurble> ... I could reboot, that'd probably sort it.

<flurble> don't wanna!

<popey> have you removed all the hci modules?

<popey> ehci_hcd, usbcore, ohci_hcd etc?

<flurble> usbcore doesn't appear to be a module, I guess it's built-in

<popey> usb_storage

<popey> ubuntu or debian?

<flurble> debian

<flurble> my own kernel

<popey> makes sense

<popey> ahhh

<flurble> whee

<flurble> restarted uchi_hcd/ehci_hcd

<flurble> that did it

<popey> \o/

<flurble> I only looked for things with usb in the name before

<popey> ahhh

* flurble uploads photo

<flurble> http://flurble.org/gallery/Photos/06-11-3_Tidy-House-and-Boxes/tn/dscn2344.jpg.html that was all I wanted off the camera :)

<flurble> and now I see I didn't even get the light in the picture, which was why I took it

<flurble> doh

<popey> got rid of the mice now?

<flurble> dunno

<flurble> I got rid of four, there was definitely one more still around. I tidied the house, and then went away for four nights

<flurble> I also blocked up the hole behind the fridge - there other holes, but the back of the fridge was/is the route onto the surfaces, so hopeit might deter them slightly

<flurble> I didn't see/hear anything last night, but then (a) I was knackered (b) if there's nothing noisy to eat/ no carrier bags to rattle mouse running around wouldn't wake me, I guess

<popey> heh

<popey> we had a dead mouse on the kitchen floor this morning

<popey> a nice present from the cats

<flurble> )-:

<flurble> I found a dead bee today

<flurble> I think that's preferable to dead mice

<grifferz> saw a mouse running down the middle of one of the passenger tunnels at waterloo the other day. normally I only see em on the tracks

<grifferz> it was about 5.45am though. maybe that;s when the mice come out to play

<flurble> mine come out at 1am and 2am

<flurble> my best times for catching mice have been around then

<dsas> good night all

<anto9us> morning everyone

<popey> morning all

<anto9us> morning popey

<GazzaK> good morning Mr popey

<GazzaK> hey anti-net_

<GazzaK> eek, anto9us

<anto9us> morning GazzaK

<GazzaK> signed all my housemove paperwork now, and the last search came in, don't think there is anything left to do now...

<GazzaK> well, except move...

<anto9us> got your internet sorted for the new house? I know I'd be a bit lost without mine

<GazzaK> can I really try and get it working, before I have moved?

<GazzaK> i'm going to go cable too, anyone use cable here?

<anto9us> well, I'd have at least checked out the process with my ISP

<anto9us> I'm NTL

<GazzaK> it has NTL cables and stuff going into the house

<anto9us> 10MiB

<GazzaK> wooo

<GazzaK> I was going to only go for the 2mb connection, as it is nice and cheap - i'm 3/4 scottish you know :p

<GazzaK> but if i'm lucky, I might be able to piggyback on a neighbours wifi :p for a bit

* GazzaK hides from the righteous

<anto9us> I think I may open my wifi for people to use, I can do some phishing and steal all their money then, it's only fair, after all, they were stealing my bandwidth

<GazzaK> yeah, thats a fare exchange

<GazzaK> arghhhh.... I hate backupexec

<anto9us> I never recommend Symantec products, I've suffered and seen others suffer too many times with their crappy software

<GazzaK> oh yes, and norton

<chaddy> it amazes me that they have the audacity to charge for that stuff

<anto9us> almost every norton antivirus installation I've come across has, despite being up-to-date, missed viruses on the system. I remember being told to recommend it at a place I worked, I refused and eventually I quit that job

<popey> norton blows goats, I have proof

<anto9us> they give very good rewards to OEM's, which is how MS has done so well

<popey> norton *caused* more problems then it resolved on my fathers pc

<popey> i removed norton and all the issues went away

<anto9us> popey, yes, seen that many times myself

<anto9us> I always recommend its removal

<anto9us> put on AVG Free edition, Spybot S&D, enable XP's built in firewall and their set

* popey doesn't deal with windows pcs any more

* popey refuses when friends ask

<anto9us> I try not to, just when you think you're out of it though, they pull you back in

<popey> the only people i support on windows are my sister and my mother in law

<popey> yeah

* chaddy starts off supporting them on windows then installs ubuntu

<anto9us> yes, I've set a few people up with dual boot Ubuntu systems

<anto9us> sold on the fact that it will let them get at their files if their system breaks

<popey> my brother has ubuntu

<anto9us> my mum has it, she's addicted to anagramarama now

<popey> excellent

<anto9us> she has a lot less problems in Ubuntu which is good for me, she's 200 miles away

<popey> yeah, same for my brother

<popey> if i need to I can ssh into his machine

<popey> i rarely do though

<popey> less than once a month i reckon

<anto9us> I love ssh

<gord> if banana's could think, I bet they would question their bendyness

<popey> i once ballsed up when he brought his machine to me to be dist-upgraded I set his IP differently on my network so when he took it home the port forwarding didn't work so i couldn't ssh in..

<popey> ..so i got him to type a command to do reverse ssh tunneling so i could get in :)

<anto9us> yeah, I set my mum up with a dyndns to resolve that

<popey> dyndns wouldn't help in this case because the port wasn't open

<anto9us> I see

<popey> the router was forwarding ssh to his IP address 192.168.0.10, but i had changed it to 192.168.0.2 like an idiot

<popey> wont do that again

<sheepeatingtaz> on the subject of dyndns, is there a simple way to run ddclient at startup?

<sheepeatingtaz> automagically, I mean

<anto9us> sheepeatingtaz, yes, apt-get should set that up

<sheepeatingtaz> on my home box, I have to run sudo ddclient to set it going :(

<anto9us> there should be a /etc/init.d/ddclient script

<AdamBagnall> Morning all

<anto9us> morning AdamBagnall

<sheepeatingtaz> anto9us: so there is! I may have to tinker when I get home, cheers

<gord> hrmm, whenever I put on an eva cassidy album the sun seems to shine some more... apart from at night

<AdamBagnall> gord: Experiment time, what happens if you put on Marilyn Manson?

<gord> I despise myself for letting something as awful as that touch the same speakers that emitted something as wonderful eva cassidy? ;)

<VooDoo> morning

<kikiwitch> hi

<VooDoo> kikiwitch: glad to see you :)

* kikiwitch pukes

<VooDoo> thanks

<kikiwitch> no it's not you

<VooDoo> oh thats ok then.....you poorly

<kikiwitch> no

<kikiwitch> :(

* kikiwitch whimpers

<VooDoo> kikiwitch: whats the matter huny

<kikiwitch> Driving Test today

<apokryphos> ack. Good luck :)

<VooDoo> ooo yeah i remember good luck

* VooDoo kisses kikiwitcfh

<kikiwitch> :|

* kikiwitch pets VooDoo

* VooDoo is in lurve :)

* kikiwitch runs

<VooDoo> lol

* kikiwitch runs to her boyfriend

<VooDoo> chill darlin......yur safe

<kikiwitch> yur ?

<kikiwitch> darlin?

<VooDoo> you're

* VooDoo walks away.....

<kikiwitch> s/..../.../

<kikiwitch> ;)

<anto9us> no, he walked further than that

<kikiwitch> Im going to have a full cooked breakfast

<kikiwitch> chips

<kikiwitch> bacon

<kikiwitch> tomato

<kikiwitch> eggs

<kikiwitch> well thats not full

<kikiwitch> but it's all the house has

* VooDoo has had scrambled egg and muffins

* sheepeatingtaz may have to go get a breakfast from canteen now.

<sheepeatingtaz> I was fine before, but now I'm starving

* VooDoo is between jobs at the moment.....start monday

<kikiwitch> sheepeatingtaz: you only ever talk when somebody mentions food

<sheepeatingtaz> :)

<VooDoo> hmmmm food :)

* sheepeatingtaz goes back to his chocolate covered coffee beans

* VooDoo is always hungry......

* kikiwitch wonders how long exchange will take to install

<sheepeatingtaz> kikiwitch: did you enjoy the Hells Kitchen final on Monday?

<kikiwitch> I did indeed

<VooDoo> kikiwitch: 15 mins.....the config takes years ;)

<kikiwitch> Disagree on the winner

<kikiwitch> heather really did perform that day

<kikiwitch> but not before

<sheepeatingtaz> she was good at the start of the series, but lagged a lot in the middle

<sheepeatingtaz> and Virginia just could not perform on the kitchen line.

<sheepeatingtaz> and she picked a crap team :)

<kikiwitch> Oh god I hate the guys on the series

<kikiwitch> they are all really nasty

<kikiwitch> some of the girls are pretty nasty too

<kikiwitch> everybody picked on Virginia

<kikiwitch> bye voodoo

<kikiwitch> my new phone

<kikiwitch> is great for email and texts

<kikiwitch> but is mostly crap if you dont get the stylus out :(

<sheepeatingtaz> kikiwitch: what phone is it?

<kikiwitch> SPV M3100

<kikiwitch> it's annoying because the SPV C600 (no touch screen) is beautifully done

<kikiwitch> but because it has a touch screen the M3100 lacks buttons like a "home" button

<kikiwitch> and a "back" button

<kikiwitch> which are used to get to the front screen

<kikiwitch> and to exit programs

<kikiwitch> ahhh well

<kikiwitch> it is really great for email, im and browsing

<kikiwitch> :P

<gord> I use a thing called a computer for that, when I want to talk to someone thats not near me though, I use a phone

<sheepeatingtaz> gord: I think you upset her ;)

<gord> pfft, it was that french guy, Pierre

<Narrf> I'm with gord on that one

<sheepeatingtaz> :)

<gord> I keep meaning to give gnucash a go but seeing as my finances generally stretch to rent and beer it doesn't really seem like its worth my time to manage them

<sheepeatingtaz> gord, I use it for the HullFLOSS accounts

<sheepeatingtaz> I like it, does everything I need without being overcomplicated

<kikiwitch> crashy crashy

<gord> seems like its slim pickings for people wanting to do financial stuff with floss, what with my limited "i barely know anything about the subject, infact im basing this on the fact that iv only heard of gnucash' knowlege that might not be right though

<sheepeatingtaz> kikiwitch: wb

<kikiwitch> ty

<kikiwitch> Ubuntu is shite ;)

<kikiwitch> Always locks my machine up

<kikiwitch> never had any crashes with Windows

<kikiwitch> (actually it's true)

<sheepeatingtaz> gord, I think I tried using something called Kcash once, but couldn't get on with it

<gord> well thats the beauty of ubuntu, investigate why your hardware config conflicts with ubuntu and causes lockups and then things can get fixed for other people as well as you. thus we all end up with a better system

<kikiwitch> I dont have the time :(

<kikiwitch> Business to run

<kikiwitch> Life to live

<kikiwitch> Sadly I need things that just work

<gord> excuses excuses....

<kikiwitch> not excuses

<kikiwitch> just fact

<kikiwitch> right now im setting up exchange

<kikiwitch> so i can do email push to my suport agents

<kikiwitch> when on the move

<kikiwitch> I tried an open source version

<kikiwitch> but after a few hours of mucking about

<kikiwitch> I couldnt work it out (the docs are poo)

<kikiwitch> so so im doing exchange

<kikiwitch> because it will just work

<popey> moo

<kikiwitch> hi popey

<kikiwitch> xx

<popey> anyone who says they have never had a crash with windows isn't a proper IT person IMO

<popey> they clearly only use it for staring at background photos

<gord> sounds like its more of a case of 'i know windows better and don't want to learn howto use something else' to me ;)

<gord> computers arn't for that popey?

<popey> well, they can do other things

<popey> apparently

<kikiwitch> popey honest to god i have next to no crashes with xp

<kikiwitch> and those i have had are due to some application locking up the cpu

<kikiwitch> which has happened on ubuntu too

<popey> windows isn't just xp

<kikiwitch> (though i just bring up a virtual terminal and do a killall :))

<popey> some of us have been using microsoft products since dos

<kikiwitch> popey: so have i

<popey> and don't measure microsoft based on the last product

<kikiwitch> I had pleanty of crashes on 95 and 98 :P

<kikiwitch> I measure products on where they stand

<kikiwitch> not where they stood

<kikiwitch> :)

<popey> but crashability is only one criteria for OS selection

<popey> there are many other things to take into account

<kikiwitch> and XP doesnt crash

<popey> like openness, performance, availability of software, ease of administration and so on

<popey> you're just trolling now

<kikiwitch> so are you :)

* mrben has XP crashes every now and then

<popey> /ignore kikiwitch

<kikiwitch> popey: I like a variety of platforms :)

<popey> i don't have a problem with that

<mattl> for me, i run GNU/Linux because it respects my freedom.

<popey> what i do have a problem with is the blatent "windows is great it doesn't crash" "ubuntu crashes" point you made earlier, which most definately is trolling

<popey> in an ubuntu channel

<gord> I wouldn't say that

<gord> trolling would be trying to hammer the point to get a reaction

<kikiwitch> I was bringing in a bit of sarcasm, no offense meant popey

<mattl> is it wrong to be critical of Ubuntu in an Ubuntu channel? I wouldn't say it was.

* kikiwitch apologises if she upset you

<popey> no mattl I am not saying that

<kikiwitch> 10:59 < mattl> for me, i run GNU/Linux because it respects my freedom.

<kikiwitch> I respect that alot :)

<popey> I'm suggesting a blatent "windows is great, ubuntu is crap" statement is somewhat trolly in an ubuntu channel

<kikiwitch> I've dropped XP because of IE7 lus upcomming VIsta

<kikiwitch> (I hope)

<popey> and I can't see how anyone can think it isn't

<popey> hey ho

<kikiwitch> Ubuntu is not crap :)

<popey> News at 11

<gord> pfft, the news is at 10, at 11 its some crappy movie on bbc1 usually

* kikiwitch runs "forrestprep"

<kikiwitch> I prefer it when these things get described as

<kikiwitch> "Pleaser run this script which will upgrade the ldap database"

* Narrf hopes kikiwitch has a good backup in place

<kikiwitch> Narrf: nope

<kikiwitch> but this system does not do anything :)

<Narrf> kikiwitch, ok will let you off then! :p

<kikiwitch> it's practically a clean install

<kikiwitch> except ist has skype which I used when skype kept locking up ubuntu

<kikiwitch> (fixed, i think)

<kikiwitch> and IE7

<mattl> skype? erk.

<popey> ahh

<popey> a closed source evil app that kills the lovely open ubuntu

<popey> colour me unsurprised

<kikiwitch> it has a problem with the driver used for my wireless card

<kikiwitch> I don't know the details

<popey> nasty

<kikiwitch> If I get time i'll investigate more

<popey> do you use ndiswrapper then or something/

<kikiwitch> Doesnt crash it under my debian nstall so will be something that can be fixed

<kikiwitch> nope

<kikiwitch> Well

<kikiwitch> on Ubuntu I don't know

<kikiwitch> because it just worked

<kikiwitch> so i've not looked

<kikiwitch> on debian I use the rt (i think) driver

<kikiwitch> I really can't remember :)

<kikiwitch> does Ubuntu use ndiswrapper for any wifi cards out of the box?

<kikiwitch> mattl: I cant send private messages

<kikiwitch> so why are you biased?

<mattl> I work for the GNU project :)

<kikiwitch> I strongly hate the look of IE7 and Vista

<kikiwitch> and want away from it

<kikiwitch> theres some irony behind that

<kikiwitch> My ubuntu theme is a mash up of several vista themes :)

<mattl> move to using free software :)

<kikiwitch> mattl: I expect i'll be stuck with windows for some time

<mattl> how come?

<kikiwitch> My business runs on widely used commercial tools to some degree

<mattl> what's your business?

<kikiwitch> anyone got any PC133 ram lying about? :)

<mattl> er.. might have.

<kikiwitch> We do managed internet solutions

<kikiwitch> which ranges from managed hosting, load balancing etc

<mattl> i see. what're you called?

<kikiwitch> to dev work

<kikiwitch> to advice

<kikiwitch> The Internet Team Ltd

<gord> sounds like a job thats not for windows at all

<AdamBagnall> kikiwitch: I have some pc133 RAM at home, wont be going home till Xmas though

<kikiwitch> gord: the hosting solutions we deliver are all Linux and Cisco based in most cases

<kikiwitch> we have some clients who took us on to help manage existing windows stuff

<kikiwitch> but we keep trying to drop them :)

<kikiwitch> it's the office stuff that uses windows

<kikiwitch> simple things like Quickbooks and Sage

<kikiwitch> AdamBagnall: :)

<kikiwitch> I was just asking because my windows text box here has oh ...

<kikiwitch> 256mb of ram

<kikiwitch> and is presently panting

<popey> my goal is to divert my company away from anything but ubuntu / linux based stuff

<AdamBagnall> Stick Xubuntu on it :-)

<gord> I still say that a system used just for regular stuff like email checking and document writin' should never need more than 256mb ram, I do quite happily with it here on my desktop box

<kikiwitch> AdamBagnall: I would love to

<kikiwitch> AdamBagnall: actually

<kikiwitch> i wouldnt

<kikiwitch> id put debian on it

<kikiwitch> no X installed

<kikiwitch> as all im testing is server stuff

<kikiwitch> and Zimbra does not need X

<kikiwitch> I do plan to play with xubuntu on it at some point though :)

<kikiwitch> though might as well just run fluxbox

<kikiwitch> I like fluxbox :)

* popey notes the richard stallman interview in ogg video format is still sat on the network driver here

<popey> muhahahah

* popey should plant more of these subversive videos about the place

<mattl> which interview is that?

<popey> at an fsf gig

<popey> not so much an interview as a diatribe

<popey> he's sat next to bruce perens

<mattl> do you know any more details?

<popey> it's 66 mb

<mattl> filename?

<kikiwitch> I do want to get funambol working

<popey> fsf_-_richard_stallman.ogg

<popey> i may have changed that though

<popey> ahh from fosdem this year

<popey> source21.nl is in the title page

<mattl> aha.

<popey> he's telling the media about free software

<popey> ah, no this is a different one

<popey> sorry, this is a chat in the corridor with him

* popey has a couple of videos of rms

<popey> i have them on my desktop for inspiration :)

<kikiwitch> boo Has any one got any experience of Exchange alternatives?

<kikiwitch> s/boo//

<popey> like openXchange?

<kikiwitch> I used that

<kikiwitch> that was a SuSE product to begin with

<popey> that's the one

<kikiwitch> I deployed it to a company with 100 employees :)

<popey> hula?

<kikiwitch> they hated me

<kikiwitch> :(

<kikiwitch> I hated me

<kikiwitch> It was a good product

<kikiwitch> but SuSE lied about it's functionality

<kikiwitch> not used hula

<kikiwitch> any one used Zimbra?

<popey> mailing list is quiet today

<kikiwitch> Zimbra has a nice ajaxed up mail client

<popey> roundcubemail also does

<kikiwitch> I use roundcube :)

<AdamBagnall> http://www.linux.com/search.pl?tid=134 kikiwitch that should help

<kikiwitch> it rocks :)

<popey> i stopped using it when it timed out on big folders

* popey uses mutt now

* popey says "pine" to mattl and runs away

* kikiwitch pine's your mutt ;)

<AdamBagnall> linux.com did a special report on "Exchange killers" Lots of reviews etc

<mattl> popey: we have no need for your non-free email clients and companion editor.

<kikiwitch> You want to know why i dont like lots of exchange killers?

<kikiwitch> they are too much like exchange

<kikiwitch> lol

<popey> hehe

<kikiwitch> And I hate exchange :)

<kikiwitch> but these are necessary evils

* popey has to use exchange at current customer

* popey looks forward to the day he leaves

* AdamBagnall has to use Lotus Domino at work, it's slooow

<popey> another potential customer told me that they don't supply computers but as a contractor i would have to supply my own..

<kikiwitch> im only setting up exchange so i can use it's email push

<mrben> the thing that's a problem with all the open source 'exchange killers' is that none of them (that I can see) actually connect to Outlook in the open source version

<popey> .. and it *has* to run xp and office

<mrben> you have to buy a pro

<mrben> prietary plugin

<popey> i refused the contract

<mrben> wtf

<mrben> damn lag

<kikiwitch> mrben: That's right

<popey> evolution can connect to exchange

<mattl> mrben: evolution connects to outlook with free software.

<mrben> wtf

<kikiwitch> I hate evolution

<mrben> mattl: no it doesn't

<mrben> evolution connects to exchange

<mrben> that's a completely different kettle of fish

<kikiwitch> it connects to exchange webdav

<popey> that's what we both said

<mattl> oh, sorry.

<kikiwitch> When we got openexchange

<mrben> popey: not what mattl said ;)

<kikiwitch> all the outlook tools

<mattl> you want a server that outlook things is exchange?

<kikiwitch> were pre release

<popey> ah

<popey> you're right :)

<kikiwitch> version 0.2 and all

<mrben> mattl: indeed

<gord> a kettle of fish would smell horrible...

<kikiwitch> the outlook plugin just crashed outlook

<kikiwitch> so i ended up using oslox

<kikiwitch> which was basically activesync

<Narrf> gord: expecially when coming to the boil

<kikiwitch> for outlook and openexchange

<mrben> openexchange requires the oxlook plugin; zimbra requires the pro version; scalix requires the pro version

<mrben> it's a PITA

<popey> i understand you don't have to use webdav for evolution

<kikiwitch> popey: yeah?

<popey> not tried it though

* kikiwitch just turns on imap and uses thunderbird

* popey tries it now

<kikiwitch> and owa for anything else

<kikiwitch> Windows is *still* doing "Forrest Preperation"

<kikiwitch> what's it doing

<kikiwitch> planting seeds and watering them

<kikiwitch> I could grow a forrest in this time :)

<selinuxium> Hi all

<gord> would a load of broccoli trees count as a forest?

<popey> hello selinuxium

<AdamBagnall> Mmmm, brocolli

<popey> heh

<mrben> run, forrest, run

<popey> my nephew calls broccoli "little trees"

* mrben does too

<kikiwitch> I used to do that :)

* popey execs the forrest

* popey watches it run

<mrben> :)

<gord> I call broccoli 'eww what on earth is this doing on my plate?!'

<popey> broccoli is yummy

<popey> as is spinach

<kikiwitch> I am not a big fan of the tree

<kikiwitch> but would always eat it

<popey> do NOT make popeye refernces

<kikiwitch> i still wont eat colliflower

<mrben> great with cheese sauce

<kikiwitch> or sprouts

* Narrf totally with popey

<kikiwitch> or cooked spinich

<kikiwitch> (baby spinich ina salad is beautiful)

<gord> sprouts forever, broccoli never!

<popey> sag paneer in the curry house

<popey> mmmm sprouts

<popey> spinach and cheese

<mrben> actually, almost everything is great with cheese sauce

<AdamBagnall> Sprouts are foul, not much else I dont eat

<mrben> sprouts are eviiil

* kikiwitch looks at her mock driving test paper

<kikiwitch> 5 majors

<AdamBagnall> Good luck with your driving kikiwitch

<mrben> sprouts are fruit the devil

<mrben> assuming that bumgrapes are counted as fruit.....

<popey> sprouts with chestnuts

<AdamBagnall> when is your test today?

<kikiwitch> yup

* popey makes notes to stay off the roads

<kikiwitch> well 5 serious driving faults

<popey> where are you?

<kikiwitch> 0 dangerous ones

<kikiwitch> popey: i've had enough of that joke thanks

<popey> oooookay

* GazzaK wonders where kikiwitch is

<kikiwitch> i've had it in abotu 8 text messages so far today

<mrben> I got 5 majors and 13 minors on my first test

<kikiwitch> not counting the last 2 weeks

* AdamBagnall failed my first test with more majors than minors

<popey> mattl: what do you "do" for GNU?

<popey> heh, that rhymes

<kikiwitch> anyway the idea of the mock test was to make me away of these things

<kikiwitch> s/away/aware/

<kikiwitch> so I wont do them

<kikiwitch> and hopfully this time there wont be a broken down lorry on a roundabout :)

<mattl> popey: i'm the chief webmaster, i also give talks about free software.

<AdamBagnall> I nearly failed my last test for going too fast. I was doing 25 in a veeery busy 30 zone.

<popey> ooo excellent

<popey> where are you based?

<mattl> Leeds.

<GazzaK> I had a mate who crashed on his first test, wrote the car off

<popey> do you ever come down south?

<popey> I'd love for you to give a talk at our LUG!

<mrben> GazzaK: ouch

<kikiwitch> anyway

<mattl> where's your LUG?

<kikiwitch> im taking my test in bedfordshire

<mattl> popey: http://allaboutmatt.com/york2006.jpg

<popey> ALLLL LUGS! muahahahahaha

<popey> hampshire

* GazzaK stays away from bedfordshire today

<mrben> girl at my school drove out of the car park at the beginning of her test, and straight through a red light on a pedestrian crossing

<mattl> er.. that's south westish, yeah?

<mrben> failed within 30 seconds

<popey> no

<kikiwitch> GazzaK: im fed up of that joke!

<popey> south

<kikiwitch> ffs

<kikiwitch> :(

<GazzaK> hehe, sorry

<popey> thing isle of wight

<GazzaK> could not resist

<kikiwitch> it was funny the first 50 times

<mattl> well, i do get down there from time to time.

<mrben> oooo - any geeks in the york/hull area want to meet for a pint at new year

<mattl> i was at LinuxWorld.

<GazzaK> yeah, it does kinda drag on a bit

* mrben is visiting his folks?

<mattl> mrben: i'll be around.

<mrben> \o/

<GazzaK> kikiwitch~ best thing is to do what I did, I did nto tell anyone I was doing my test

<gord> bleh, question marks that arn't following a question should be a bannable offence?

* sheepeatingtaz raises hand to mrben

<kikiwitch> lol

<kikiwitch> Can I have a hug guys?

<mrben> sheepeatingtaz: result :)

<kikiwitch> Ubuntu style on the floor

<popey> mattl: if you're coming down this way, please let me/us know

<sheepeatingtaz> mrben: whereabouts are the folks?

<popey> we meet on the first saturday of the month - every month

* AdamBagnall hugs kikiwitch

<kikiwitch> Thanks

<mrben> sheepeatingtaz: etton, just outside beverley

<Narrf> Probably old news but have you all seen these http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/11/ubuntu_cookies.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890

<gord> the first saturday of the month, every month is the day I look around my house and realise I live In a pig sty and vow to clean things up lest I die from the pile of boxes falling

<Narrf> Ubuntu Cookies! :)

* kikiwitch cries

<kikiwitch> /me cooks an ubuntu stir fry

<mrben> 234146522.1162982357.2.2.utmccn=(organic)|utmcsr=google|utmctr=ubuntu+root+raw1394|utmcmd=organic

<gord> if I were grading those cookies they would get a D, poor effort all around

<mrben> ubuntu cookie ^^

<mrben> (someone had to do it)

<gord> (thank god it wasn't me)

<Narrf> it amazes me what people do tho

<kikiwitch> my exchange forrest is still growing

<mrben> s/forrest/forest/

<kikiwitch> mrben: s/forrest/forest/g in this case

<kikiwitch> :)

<kikiwitch> been spelling it wrong a fair bit

<gord> my spelling has substantially increased in the last few months thanks to x-chats relentless drawing red all over my wordings

* kikiwitch listnes to eye of the tiger

* DarkFlib does a rocky impression

* AdamBagnall listens to growling noises from his stomach, goes to find lunch

<kikiwitch> could rocky drive?

<kikiwitch> i wont listen to chicane - no ordinary morning

<DarkFlib> just had breakfast, been up for about 20 minutes

<kikiwitch> she ran men over

<kikiwitch> not test material

* kikiwitch sends everyone to youtube to look for the music video

<DarkFlib> got home at 3.30am from the LUG meeting

<kikiwitch> beer++ ?

<DarkFlib> nope... went round a friends house that was supposed to be there after

* kikiwitch listens to lit - over my head

<kikiwitch> "im in, over my head"

* kikiwitch hates tests

* kikiwitch gets panicky

<kikiwitch> please excuse me today

* DarkFlib listens to Nine Inch Nails - Closer

<popey> just today?

<kikiwitch> :P

*** ormiret_ is now known as ormiret

<gord> brr, it sure is chilly today

<GazzaK> is it?

<GazzaK> i'm staying closed in my office

<GazzaK> it's too scary out there with the other humans

<kikiwitch> or with me out their

<kikiwitch> ;)

<GazzaK> hey, you said to shut it about that :p

* popey ponders what to have for luncheon

<GazzaK> but yes, incase you get lost, and end up on the wrong side of the country, i'm staying in today

<gord> they arn't humans, they are cyborg kittys, the government replaced them years ago with a metal-fluff amalgam

<popey> nice use of "amalgam"

<GazzaK> he has been playing with his "big words"

<kikiwitch> popey:

<kikiwitch> have a drink

<kikiwitch> because i cant drink

<kikiwitch> and i need one

<kikiwitch> so have one for me :)

* GazzaK waits till popey gets drunk, so I can erm, take advantage

<kikiwitch> i've made a nice lunch

<kikiwitch> but cant eat :(

<gord> you put the food in the mouth and chew

<kikiwitch> dont forget swallow

<kikiwitch> and a falk

<kikiwitch> fork

<gord> or falk

<kikiwitch> fawkedoodledoo

<popey> O_O

<gord> I never liked sporks, confused me

<popey> heh

<popey> that's one of the most viewed pics on my gallery

<popey> a picture of a spork

<kikiwitch> linky

<kikiwitch> ?

<AdamBagnall> I liked the website for the homeworld-sdl port. www.thereisnospork.com

<kikiwitch> homeworld-sdl?

<gord> boo homeworld

<kikiwitch> Oooh

<AdamBagnall> it's a good game, but I got confused. 3 dimensions is too many for my brain

<kikiwitch> I orgasm over that game

* GazzaK is scared

<kikiwitch> anyone ever do the homeworld ladder?

<AdamBagnall> The port has died though. the page was last updated in 2004

<kikiwitch> there's a gamers port of wine that runs homeworld 2

<AdamBagnall> the good thing is homeowrld works perfectly in wine

* kikiwitch orgasms

<gord> if I have to spend more than 30 seconds waiting for some silly ship to go from point a to point b just to have it find some bad guys and me to have to wait another year and a half for something to actually happen, its not a good game

<AdamBagnall> homeworld 2 doesnt work in vanilla wine though :-(

<kikiwitch> even the enhanced wine (didnt) support the directx module it used for online play

<kikiwitch> so I never bothered

<kikiwitch> gord: im surprised you dont mention the boredom of harvesting at the end of a completed level :)

<kikiwitch> AdamBagnall: did you ever complete it?

<gord> ugh... I think I repressed that...

<kikiwitch> homeworld: cataclysm introduced a speed up time mode

<AdamBagnall> Nope, I've hardly played it. My brain doesn't do strategy.

<kikiwitch> and homeworld2 would just rescourse everything for you automatically at the end of a level

<AdamBagnall> Homeworld cataclysm works in wine, but I think there was some issue with it

<kikiwitch> the end of homeworld was mental hard :)

<AdamBagnall> I've got all the homeworlds but only because I got them cheap, I hevent played them a lot

<kikiwitch> you had to take on 3 fleets

<kikiwitch> each one about 2/3rds the size of yours

<kikiwitch> required lots of stratergy :)

<kikiwitch> best thing to do was to just steal their ships

<kikiwitch> you could easily steal 2 or 3 destroyers from each fleet

* kikiwitch beams :)

<gord> I could never find much strategy in homeworld, there was no real terrain to take advantage of and things like that

<kikiwitch> a few levels had dust fields

<kikiwitch> but i didnt like them

<AdamBagnall> The only strategy game I'm even remotely good at is Warcraft 3

<kikiwitch> I was pretty good at c&c and red alert

<kikiwitch> and total annialation

<popey> only strategy game i was ever any good at was simcity

<kikiwitch> I hated that until you could fly round your city's in sim wellycoptor

<GazzaK> I'm good at lemmings

* mrben played Dark Reign for a while

<GazzaK> does that count?

<AdamBagnall> Actually I did fairly well at Simcity2k

<kikiwitch> yes it does

<mrben> and I've got lincity-ng installed at home

<AdamBagnall> Has anyone tried lincity-ng?

<kikiwitch> nope

<popey> wossat?

<AdamBagnall> mrben: is it any good?

* kikiwitch was good at battlezone (remake)

<mrben> popey: lincity 'next generation'

<kikiwitch> and conflict freespace

<gord> lincity-ng allways used up loads of cpu on my machine for some reason

<kikiwitch> oh pikmin rocked

<gord> unusable loads of cpu

<AdamBagnall> lincity-ng is a prettified version of lincity, a clone of simcity

<kikiwitch> (gamecube game)

* popey installs

<popey> \o/ Nintendo

<popey> \o/ wiiiiiii

<mrben> http://lincity-ng.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

<gord> freespace 2 is better than conflict freespace -_- specially the graphics those guys working on the source mod have made :o~~~

<kikiwitch> yes and no

<kikiwitch> freespace 1 had better story

<kikiwitch> I loved both

<kikiwitch> source mod?

<gord> better story pish posh!

<AdamBagnall> Wormux is a good game, I only discovered it the other day

<kikiwitch> im sad they made no freespace 3

<kikiwitch> never found out what happened to the rebel leader

<gord> kikiwitch, http://scp.indiegames.us/news.php - screeny -> http://fs2source.warpcore.org/wmcscreenies/perseuslaunch.png

<kikiwitch> :(

<kikiwitch> im off to the shhop to get some gum and water for my test

<kikiwitch> i'll look when i get back :)

<mrben> kikiwitch: every played vega strike?

<mrben> ever*

<popey> ooo it's 3d

<popey> nice

<mrben> lincity-ng? yeah

<mrben> it's very shiny

<mrben> not played it much yet

<AdamBagnall> mrben: I didn't like vegastrike. If you like it you might want to look at X2: The Threat. It's non-free though

<mrben> sadly, not enough time for strategy games these days

<mrben> I do have a nice raft of commercial linux cames

<mrben> games*

<mrben> quake4, doom3, solider of fortune, soul rider, heavy gear 2, ut2k3, ut2k4 to name a few

<AdamBagnall> So do I, getting some of the old Loki games to work is a nightmare though

<mrben> AdamBagnall: indeed

<mrben> AdamBagnall: although heavy gear 2 works now \o/ whereas it didn't when I bought it

<gord> rather impressive what loki did though, shame they wen't the way they were obviously destined to go

<mrben> well - it worked ok until you switched back from the 3d game into the 2d mission screens, and then segfaulted

<mrben> I'm thinking of getting Cold War

<AdamBagnall> UT (Orig, 2k3 and 2k4), all Quakes, Doom3, Heavy Gear 2, SC3k, Majesty, X2, Heroes 3 and civctp

<mrben> although I really ought to get Uplink and Darwinia at some point

<PriceChild> mrben: just as safe as the betas

<AdamBagnall> I have darwinia too :-)

<gord> darwinia is nice but far too short, kinda leaves you feeling like you paid more than it was worth

<mrben> ooops - just re-read what I wrote

<mrben> heavy gear 2 works 100% now :)

<AdamBagnall> but there are loads of mods for darwinia

<AdamBagnall> if you count all the mods it's good value

<gord> the mods just give you more of the same no? I was after new stuff

<mrben> I think introversion are doing excellent work

<AdamBagnall> I dont think their next game looks a good though. Defcon I think it's called

<mrben> I'm reserving judgement until they release a demo

<mrben> neither uplink nor darwinia seemed like they were going to be good from screenies

<mrben> but they sucked your life away when you started playing

<AdamBagnall> I havent played uplink, I'll grab it off ebay one day

<AdamBagnall> or tuxgames

<mrben> ooo - there are a couple of copies on ebay, too

<gord> and uplink 2 would be nice, that game seemed like it could of gone a lot further

<mrben> yeah

<AdamBagnall> who says Linux Gaming sucks ;-)

<popey> windows weenies

<AdamBagnall> Everyone knows Frozen Bubble 2 and battle for wesnoth are the future

<popey> moonbuggy!

<kikiwitch> anyone own a new focus?

<AdamBagnall> I've driven one, dont own one though

<GazzaK> a ford foci

<GazzaK> I broke one, does that count?

<GazzaK> it was a hire car, and the clutch broke

<GazzaK> and the starter motor burnt out

<GazzaK> wasn't my fault, honest

<AdamBagnall> gord: you top posted on the mailing list. Shame on you :-p

<X3N> what is top posting ?

<popey> hehehe

<gord> pfft, it was my evil twin

<popey> you joking X3N ?

<popey> A: because it breaks the flow of conversation.

<X3N> well i know it's when you post at the top of an email

<popey> Q: Why is top-posting bad?

<GazzaK> lol

<X3N> doesn't make much difference to me, thunderbird groups all the threads neatly

<popey> that's part of the issue

<mrben> popey: I generally intersperse

<popey> "I don't care about other people, It's okay for me"

<popey> it makes it difficult for people to follow the thread of a conversation

<X3N> it's the standard way to reply to an email

<GazzaK> it's alright for me jack

* popey slaps X3N

<popey> no it is NOT

<popey> it's the "standard" way in stupid clients like outlook

<popey> and in corporate environments

* GazzaK wants a slap too

<GazzaK> :'(

* GazzaK feels left out

* popey gently taps GazzaK

<popey> it's the "standard" way for lazy people who just start typing without thinking about the results

* X3N thinks it's over padantic

<popey> it's not about pedantry

<popey> it's about readability

<popey> http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MailingList/TopPosting read that

* gord whacks GazzaK

* GazzaK is going to reply to all mailing list emails by cutting the text into a word, yes a WORD document, and typing the reply in large 72 point red text... and then sending the email reply as a blank email with no subject and just the attachment...

<X3N> I'd say the top posted one was easier to read

* AdamBagnall looks at the mess he's started and hides

* GazzaK enjoyed that gord

<popey> not for long conversations between multiple people it isn't

<popey> you have to scroll all over the shop

<X3N> you don't have to scroll down to get to the new text and you don't have extra characters that make the reply harder to read

<popey> in addition people to who post often don't trim their mails either so their reply of one line has 20 lines of the thing they're replying to under it

<popey> which is somewhat wasteful

<popey> we won't agree on this.

<popey> so I'll shutup

<X3N> I think it's a matter of opinoin, which is why i dont think it's worth getting steamed up about people who top post

<mrben> top posting only works when people trim effectively, otherwise, I agree with X3N, it can be a PITA

* popey stops shutting up to say "the problem is that top posting affects other people, not the person posting. if it is so annoying for other people, and the top poster continues to do it despite being told it's annoying, it makes many people think the top poster is inconsiderate"

<mrben> which is why I interleave

<popey> indeed

<mrben> s/top/bottom/ even

<mrben> I hate bottom posting when there's 100 lines of previous message, and then 1 line saying 'I agree' or something similar

<popey> ditto

<popey> but that's the point, people should use some intelligence and trim

<popey> and be considerate

<popey> but they don't

<mrben> yes

<mrben> I concur

<popey> they just stab "reply" and start typing

<kikiwitch> im off

<kikiwitch> bye

<X3N> "how difficult to you want to make it for people to contribute"

<kikiwitch> xxx

<popey> haha

<popey> you're suggesting that it's difficult to delete some text and press page down?

<AdamBagnall> bye kikiwitch

<popey> good luck kikiwitch

<GazzaK> thats really difficult though popey

<AdamBagnall> good luck

<X3N> it takes more effort

<GazzaK> kikiwitch~ lots a luck love.

<popey> indeed

<popey> so basically you're saying you'd rather these people were lazy and inconvenienced lots of people than actaully take a moment to do something that inconveniences one person - them

<popey> that's called "laziness" in my book

<popey> it's not *that* hard at all.

<gord> theres a storm a blow'in In that teacup!

<popey> lol@ http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2004-April/214993.html

<popey> "Top posting is shitting in your pants" :D

<popey> some people take it a lot more seriously than i

<gord> the thing about mailing lists is that they are not really designed for doing what they do and yeah people should make an effort but sometimes things slip your mind when your in a rush or are having a rather nasty Thursday mornin' and those people shouldn't be crucified

<popey> indeed

<popey> I'm not suggesting that an on-list argument start about it. but countering the points X3N made

<gord> in the end I am pretty sure it all boils down to GazzaK's fault anyway, either that or my evil twin that I so have

<GazzaK> oii, eek

* GazzaK hides

* popey counts to 10 then comes looking for GazzaK

* GazzaK hides in popey's bed

<GazzaK> :p

<popey> haha

<GazzaK> oops, i'm not supposed to flirt in here am I

<popey> and there's me, a married man!

* popey tits loudly

<mrben> with a baby

<popey> er

<popey> tuts

<popey> two babies

<mrben> roflmao

<popey> :)

<mrben> how virile of you

<mrben> ;)

<popey> grrrr

<popey> so, about the football

<mrben> we won!

<mrben> \o/

* popey hates football \o/

<GazzaK> football?

<GazzaK> were the players cute?

* mrben loves football

<mrben> playing and watching

<popey> yes, both

* GazzaK loves footballers, well the cute ones anyways

<popey> bloke at work one day said..

<popey> bloke: "What team do you support?"

<popey> me: "nobody, i hate football"

<popey> bloke: "You hate football!?! So what do you do on saturdays?"

<popey> me: "Pretty much whatever I want"

<popey> bloke: "Bet you go to B&Q, you know your life is over when you go to B&Q on a saturday"

<popey> how odd

<GazzaK> I go to B&Q on a sunday, but mostly 'cos they have a sunday lad in who is really nice

* popey puts something in GazzaKs water to calm him down

<GazzaK> ritalin?

<gord> I went to B&Q once, I expected it to basically look like a big fake outdoors indoors, was sourly disapointed

<popey> why on earth would you think that?

<popey> it's a shop :)

<gord> iruno, tv adverts n stuff prolly

<popey> :)

* popey used to work for them until march this year

<GazzaK> I thought you has to be either inept and 16-19 or good but 101 to work there?

<popey> head office

<GazzaK> ahhh

<popey> not a store monkey

<GazzaK> why do they employ so many inept people?

<popey> name another retail store that doesn't

<GazzaK> apart from my nice and helpful Sunday guy, they are useless round my way

<gord> O_O I want a store monkey! man that would be so cool, just monkeys, in shops... n stuff!

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> yeah, walk into Tescos and tell the well trained store monkey to get this and that, and off he swings

<gord> all we have in our tesco is a large american woman who talks very loudly in a very american accent to anyone that comes close... you gotta avoid her like the plague

<popey> we have self service tesco here in london

<popey> no need to speak to anyone

<GazzaK> same here, till he damn till fails again

<GazzaK> and then the most inept girl comes over to reboot it

<popey> quite fun beeping your food through the till

<popey> "put the item in the bag"

<popey> OK OK!

<GazzaK> yeah, she is bossy

<gord> hehe, you gotta love how our society has turned into one where we don't really want to talk to anyone ever, even phone conversations have turned into text messages -_-

<popey> \o/ lunchtime

* popey goes to chat up the till in tesco

<gord> its 2pm, dinner was 2 hours ago... weird southeners

<GazzaK> dinner, when

<GazzaK> damn

<GazzaK> I keep missing lunch

<GazzaK> being IT support, I get busy when everyone else is abusing the interet access

<gord> you should just put up a notice in every room that states 'stay off the net at midday else Ill tell your boss about that website you goto that you think no one knows about, Iv got logs mate!'

<GazzaK> it's bad enough my door sign saying "I read your email"

<GazzaK> if I say that, i'll get told off

<gord> yet our government can read our email any time it wants, rediculous!

<GazzaK> hehee, I know people in the government

<GazzaK> trust me, they do not bother with your email.....

<GazzaK> they have no wish to enlarge things, or get a mortgage

<GazzaK> but they did find that picture of you and the donkey and the sailor suit quite interesting

<gord> pfft, you just havn't been watching the x-files enough, they can read your thoughts through your fillings in your teeth and then they make mars bars cost more when you want one so you go 'oh... well I want a mars bar but Im not paying that much' and then you buy a twix instead as twix runs the world secretly

<GazzaK> lol

<GazzaK> you on drugs gord ?

<gord> pfft I wish, I have to live with weird thoughts endlessly streaming though my brain day and night 24/7 no matter what lethal cocktail is inhabiting my brain space. last night I couldn't sleep because I couldn't stop thinking about giant penguins...

<GazzaK> yeah, they are scary

<GazzaK> esp when they are driving the car tailgaiting you on the way home

<gord> you really don't like the idea of cows following you home to take your cravendale huh?

<GazzaK> cows are one thing, but penguins....

<GazzaK> they don't even live in this country

<GazzaK> how dare they follow me home

<gord> they'll be all over here when we stop the north atlantic drift and cause an ice-age

<GazzaK> thats a great documentary

<GazzaK> Ice age, and Ice age 2, great bit of real life film making

<GazzaK> eeek, I wish I were a server op on freenode as well

<GazzaK> gord~ arghhh, I can think of load of things to be witty about that trolls remarks

<GazzaK> he will only be more of an idiot gord

<gord> warn em once, get an op to sort them out if they carry on, thats the way I play it

<gord> if he is he'll be out the door ;)

<popey> quiet in here without LMM

<AdamBagnall> I don't know we've had some interesting discussions about games and top posting

<selinuxium> hi all,

<AdamBagnall> Hello

<gord> afternoon'

<popey> moo

<selinuxium> :) Was any of you peeps at the linuxWorld Expo thingy...

<AdamBagnall> Yup

<AdamBagnall> I was only there for the 2nd day though

<popey> yus

<popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/LinuxWorldExpo2006

<selinuxium> I only got there for the second day..

<selinuxium> Does anyone here go to the gllug ? I have never been to a lug yet..

<popey> i am in london

<popey> i have been to one gllug and one lonix do

<AdamBagnall> I havent been to a lug either, I move about too much and have no car

<selinuxium> popey, so how did you find the lug? no map jokes please... :)

<popey> well the gllug guys are really nice - mozrat in #gllug is the organiser

<popey> i went to software freedom day which was in London, that was great fun

<popey> http://popey.com/Software_Freedom_Day_2006

<popey> my write up

<popey> http://popey.com/node/34 write up about beer with lonix

<popey> very short tho

<selinuxium> popey, i do get the email telling me what is going on. I was wondering if ew

<selinuxium> we could find an Ubuntu speaker...

<popey> they had one at the software freedom day event

<popey> Malcolm Yates - works for canonical :)

<popey> he's good fun, really nice guy too

<selinuxium> Cool, any of you guys work in IT? I am trying to subvert Suse at my place of work. I was wondering how others were doing.

<popey> I work in a part of IT, yes

<popey> I guess quite a few people here do

<selinuxium> So would I, Linux still being a bit geeky... I mean that in the fondest of senses..

<AdamBagnall> I work in IT, I'm only a placement student here for a year so I dont have much weight to throw around introducing OSS

* popey doesn't use Linux at all at his current customer :(

<popey> this makes me sad

<selinuxium> AdamBagnall: do you use linux at you workplace or is it all M$?

<AdamBagnall> nearly all M$ and getting more so

<AdamBagnall> :-(

<AdamBagnall> They've just introduced M$ sharepoint and they're migrating from Lorus Domino to Exchange over the next year or 2

<selinuxium> I am working with Novell NetWare servers quite alot, it is wierd seeing a 'new' OS every so often..

<AdamBagnall> *Lotus

<selinuxium> AdamBagnall: I wonder why?

<popey> yeah, my father in laws company are going Lotus --> Exchange

<selinuxium> AdamBagnall: It isn't blabkberry issues is it?

<selinuxium> I have seen lotus and BB not playing nice together..

<AdamBagnall> I dont think so, I think it's M$ bribery and offering large discounts

<selinuxium> We use Groupwise at work and Exchange... We are an IT consultancy so we need to have a few platforms to play with... :)

<GazzaK> eeek, I think I just signed up to NTL before even being in the address :p

<GazzaK> can anyone recommend a CABLE wifi router with 4 port switch?

<kikiwitch> I passed :)

<mrben> \o/

<mrben> congratulations

<popey> \o/

<GazzaK> wooooo well done

<kikiwitch> :D

<AdamBagnall> Well done kikiwitch

* AdamBagnall hands kikiwitch a bottle of champagne. Dont drink and drive.

<kikiwitch> :D

* kikiwitch hugs AdamBagnall

<AdamBagnall> ouch, too tight, can't breathe

<GazzaK> eek, I just sent a real newbie style email to the ubuntu-uk list, hope no one hates me for it

<popey> heh

<popey> and you replied to an existing mail

<popey> tsk tsk

<AdamBagnall> popey: I just watched your screencast. It's very good :-)

<popey> thank you

* kikiwitch hands out tic tac's

<popey> suggestions for others welcome

<popey> other than this lot I currently have planned http://popey.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VideoDemos

<GazzaK> did it show as a reply, oops

<popey> :)

<AdamBagnall> for ChangingTheLookOfYourDesktop you could put a quick bit about gnome-art from the repos

<popey> good idea!

<popey> added

<GazzaK> how can you tell I replied to a mail?

<popey> In-Reply-To: <20061109154403.GA30510@popey.com>

<popey> in the headers

<popey> and my mail client threads replies so yours sits (with a different subject line) under one of my mails

<AdamBagnall> I would say a screencast on magic eyecandy, but then beryl or compiz? Which video drivers etc

<popey> yeah, that stuff gets tricky

<popey> I'd like to start with some of the standard things you get

<popey> because there's a boatload of potential screencasts in the default applications

<popey> let alone installing extra stuff

<popey> and doing complex stuff like binary drivers and compiz

<popey> if that makes sense

<popey> i.e. I'd like to get LOTS of these done, and the only way I can see that happening is to make hundreds of easy ones

<popey> rather than one tricky one

<popey> I do have recording 3d desktop working though, so it is at least possible

<AdamBagnall> how about a screencast on configuring samba? I've seen lots of posts on the forums where people have got security=user and they dont realise you have to use smbpasswd to enable their user accounts on samba

<popey> are you talking setting up samba servers or clients to connect to windows servers?

<AdamBagnall> samba servers

<popey> i could do that, yes

<AdamBagnall> connecting to windows clients is easy, mounting windows shares is not so easy though

<AdamBagnall> and samba servers are not so easy either

<kikiwitch> does ubuntu have a smbmount gui?

<AdamBagnall> I dont think so

<popey> ok, added to the list

<popey> it's at the bottom because I think it's going to be a tricky one

<popey> I'd like to get 10 easy ones out, then maybe one hard one

<popey> I'd feel incredibly demotivated to only be able to get one decent but tricky video out in the same time as 10 good ones

<popey> if that makes sense

<popey> right, vote on which one to do tonight

* popey thinks "installing flash 7 and 9 (beta)" would be good

<popey> given you need flash to watch the google videos :)

<AdamBagnall> yup. I was going to suggest setting up a LAMP stack, but if someone wants to do that they're probably techy enough to work it out.

<popey> the ubuntu server cd has that as an install option

<popey> you just tick "LAMP" and it does it :)

<AdamBagnall> Okies

<AdamBagnall> I vote for the IM one. GAIM can be intimidating for windows refugees due to its multiple protocols

<popey> the one I'm pondering is one showing how to actually install it

<popey> yeah, IM would be good to demo

<popey> I'd need to sign up some dummy accounts first

<popey> some of these require a bit of prep

<kikiwitch> and of course amsn might be a good alternate for MSN only peeps

<popey> I'd rather not use my own user id for example

<ukubuntu> !PING

<ubotu> ping: connection timeout

*** AdamBagnall is now known as Adam_Screen

<anti-net_> Evening all

<AdamBagnall> Evening anti-net_

<anti-net_> hey Adam

<popey> hello

<anti-net_> hey popey

<GazzaK> I've had enough, i'm going home, see ya laters

<ukubuntu> Her's a quickie. The CDs that Launchpad send out, are they the Live CDs that you can install from or are they the install only CDs. I notice there is a difference between them.

<AdamBagnall> They're the live cds

<ukubuntu> Kewl thanks Adam

<ukubuntu> I plan to spread the word more and a live CD is one of the best ways of dong that :D

<ukubuntu> doing!

<AdamBagnall> selinuxium, your hackergotchi on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/Members is scary

<ukubuntu> Very cool

<selinuxium> Cheers!

<anti-net_> notice not one girl as uploaded there pic

<ukubuntu> Do you blame them? lol

<AdamBagnall> Well we havent scared kikiwitch away yet

<anti-net_> ....yet

<AdamBagnall> we must be doing something wrong. Hmm

<anti-net_> maybe we should do what game companies do and make ubuntu pink

<AdamBagnall> Nooooooooooooooooo

<anti-net_> it wouldnt attract more girls but it would look like were trying

<anti-net_> Gubuntu :P

<anti-net_> Gubuntu, Linux for girls

<AdamBagnall> or linux for Guys

<ukubuntu> not Pin-Kubuntu?

<anti-net_> or Linux for Greg

* ukubuntu ducks and hides as he suggestest boobuntu!

<AdamBagnall> lol

* anti-net_ bitch slaps ukubuntu

* ukubuntu cowers in the corner!

<anti-net_> perfect now hes cornerd

<anti-net_> *attacks*

<anti-net_> :P

<anti-net_> jk jk

* ukubuntu is glad he did not say the 18+ phrase!

<ukubuntu> Zoiks!

<popey> Jingies!

<kikiwitch> Jingle all te way

<kikiwitch> genbuntu

<kikiwitch> ubuntu for both sexes :)

<ukubuntu> unibuti, or is that for academics?

<ukubuntu> unibuntu I meant!

<kikiwitch> you can use edubuntu

<kikiwitch> has lots of educational tools :)

<AdamBagnall> omnibuntu, ubuntu for all :-)

<ukubuntu> That tops them!

<kikiwitch> is bill gates allowed to use it?

* kikiwitch pokes anti-net_

<ukubuntu> well hi pc probably crashes enough so maybe he does secretly :D

<AdamBagnall> Of course he can, he'll just have a fit and die if he does

* AdamBagnall wonders whether Mr Gates has ever used an Ubuntu computer

* kikiwitch wonders if he has ever used a Linux computer :)

<kikiwitch> Or Unix

<kikiwitch> Or BSD

<kikiwitch> Or Mac os 9 <

<kikiwitch> or beos

<kikiwitch> or umm

<kikiwitch> os2

<kikiwitch> or amiga os

<kikiwitch> or err

<kikiwitch> solaris

<kikiwitch> Im running out

<ukubuntu> Or calculator!

<kikiwitch> I've nearly got exchangepoo installed

* kikiwitch pokes anti-net_ again

<kikiwitch> "Netscape detects a possible vulnerability"

<kikiwitch> Ummmm#

<kikiwitch> what gay adverts

<anti-net_> hi hi

<anti-net_> sorry

<kikiwitch> Netscape can only be found in museums

<anti-net_> was at sainsburys buying Pepsi Max

<kikiwitch> Hmm

<kikiwitch> Coke Zero nicer :)

<kikiwitch> imo

<anti-net_> it was 2 for £2 on pepsi max

<AdamBagnall> My router keeps crashing. It doesnt crash when it's upside down propped up on it's aerial though O.o

<kikiwitch> Cut it off

<kikiwitch> I had to do that once

<kikiwitch> the router would not turn the wifi off

<kikiwitch> It said it was

<kikiwitch> but kismet said otherwise :)

<AdamBagnall> Has anyone just got that e-mail from Richard Merrix? He wants to unsubscribe from the mailing list. He's using hotmail and it says at the bottom "Be one of the first to try windows live mail"

<kikiwitch> So I cut the atenna off

<kikiwitch> Tried it yonks ago :)

<kikiwitch> thanks for offering

<anti-net_> Adam, yeah I did

<AdamBagnall> The M$ machine has got to him :-(

<kikiwitch> anti-net_: guess what

<anti-net_> what kikiwitch ?

<kikiwitch> AdamBagnall: offer him a gmail account?

<kikiwitch> Im sad anti-net_

<kikiwitch> very sad :(

* anti-net_ cheers up kikiwitch

<kikiwitch> Today was awful

* anti-net_ using magic

<AdamBagnall> dont be sad, you passed your driving test

<kikiwitch> Adam

<kikiwitch> damn you

<kikiwitch> :)

<AdamBagnall> whoops :-(

<anti-net_> you passed kikiwitch ?

<anti-net_> Yay!

<AdamBagnall> >_<

<kikiwitch> anti: awww gyou failed :(

<kikiwitch> rachel: im sad because i'll never see my driving instructor again

* AdamBagnall remembers to use brain. Without brain can't remember. Doh

* kikiwitch pinches AdamBagnall

<anti-net_> oh

<anti-net_> you like your driving instructor eh?

<kikiwitch> no

<kikiwitch> it's a joke

<kikiwitch> ruined by someone

* AdamBagnall hides

<kikiwitch> I won't say who

<anti-net_> oh well

<kikiwitch> :)

<anti-net_> is it the guy thats hiding in the corner?

<kikiwitch> Which one?

<anti-net_> Adam

<kikiwitch> Yeah

<kikiwitch> it's Adam

* AdamBagnall isn't in the corner

<anti-net_> ekk hes in the E-Tree!

<AdamBagnall> I'm behind the Ubuntu Fridge

* kikiwitch opens the Ubuntu Fridge

* kikiwitch pinches her nose

<kikiwitch> Students...

* anti-net_ steals the vodka

<anti-net_> paaarty!!

<kikiwitch> You party on Vodka?

<AdamBagnall> w00t, Adam comes out of hiding

* kikiwitch pinches AdamBagnall

<anti-net_> kikiwitch, actally I don't drink irl

<AdamBagnall> ouch

<kikiwitch> hmmm

<kikiwitch> 17:58 < anti-net_> kikiwitch, actally I don't drink irl

<anti-net_> yeah I don't

<kikiwitch> 17:58 < anti-net_> kikiwitch, actally I don't drink when im not drinking

<anti-net_> noww your changing what I say

<anti-net_> I don't drink!

<kikiwitch> Selective reading

<anti-net_> Heh, nice

<AdamBagnall> anti-net_, I guess the irl on the end of what you actually said stand for I R Lying

<anti-net_> no it stands for "in real life"

<AdamBagnall> stop making excuses

<anti-net_> heh

<grifferz> is this not real life then

<AdamBagnall> Erk, I've just realised I havent had any alcohol since we all went for a drink after LWE, and I can't remember how long ago I was drunk

<anti-net_> well kind of is kind of is't

<kikiwitch> oooh

<kikiwitch> my provisional insurance on my other halfs car

<kikiwitch> #also covers me now i've passed

<kikiwitch> so

<kikiwitch> I can drive his car when ever I want :)

<anti-net_> what car does your other half drive?

* kikiwitch buys tom tom for her spv

<kikiwitch> Vauxhall Corsa

<kikiwitch> nice little run around

<kikiwitch> I might be buying it off him

* anti-net_ wants a Lotus Elise

<kikiwitch> Lots of trouble usually serious

* kikiwitch wants a Ford Puma Special Edition Black

<kikiwitch> top gears car of the year

<kikiwitch> 1999 or 2000

* AdamBagnall wants a car, doesnt care what as long as it works

<kikiwitch> can quad band phones act as GPS recievers?

<anti-net_> for me a Puma would make me look a bit camp

<anti-net_> and I have problems enough getting girls without them thinking im gay

<kikiwitch> Puma is a very me car

<kikiwitch> semi sporty

<kikiwitch> but sensible enough

<anti-net_> boot? meh

<anti-net_> wouldnt mine one of theses eaither: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Atom

<AdamBagnall> They look quite fun

<AdamBagnall> I want a landrover

<anti-net_> pish

<anti-net_> tho tbh, one of thos Range Rovers would miss me in an Atom

<VooDoo> kikiwitch ?

* kikiwitch hugs VooDoo

<kikiwitch> VooDoo: im sad :(

<kikiwitch> Very very sad

<kikiwitch> :'(

<VooDoo> kikiwitch: oh no :(

<kikiwitch> :((

<VooDoo> didn't you pass?

<kikiwitch> Im never going to see my driving instructor again!

<kikiwitch> :D

<VooDoo> wooooohooooooo

* kikiwitch nudges Adam

* VooDoo hugs kikiwitch

<VooDoo> congrats

* AdamBagnall remembered :-D

* kikiwitch hugs back

<VooDoo> well done :)

<kikiwitch> thanks

<kikiwitch> And im insured on my other halfs car

<VooDoo> even better

* kikiwitch is looking at tomtom

<VooDoo> :)

<anti-net_> kikiwitch, buy a map

<VooDoo> oh bugger....windows vista is launched in Jan

<anti-net_> yeah

<anti-net_> gonnna go out and buy it on the 30th can't wait to get my hands on it, so much better than Ubuntu

<anti-net_> :-P

<anti-net_> Yeah....right :P

<VooDoo> lol

<anti-net_> I'd rather slit my throat than have to use Windows again

<AdamBagnall> That's a fairly extremist view

<AdamBagnall> I don't think I'd go that far

<Sionide> http://www.alltooflat.com/geeky/elgoog/m/index.cgi?page=%2Fsearch&cgi=GET&dir=%2F&btnG=hcraeS&q=edinois&ie=ISO-8859-1&lr=&hl=en

<VooDoo> http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/files/2006/11/desktop.png

<VooDoo> it will end like this soon

<anti-net_> I may possibley be exgrating slightly Adam_Screen

<anti-net_> erh AdamBagnall

<kikiwitch> anti-net_: can't look at the map while driving :)

<Sionide> VooDoo, windows xp isn't powerful or intuitive

<VooDoo> i know that :) just as well it's not my pic or i'd only have one option :)

<Sionide> also, if you were to "choose XP as your desktop" it definitely would NOT install a broad set of the most important desktop applications!!

<anti-net_> AdamBagnall, but I wouldnt be a happy anti-net if i had to use Eck Pee

<Sionide> you get mplayer2.exe and notepad.exe, where gnome has rhythmnbox and openoffice!

<AdamBagnall> anti-net_, I know the feeling, I'm forced to use it at work.

<anti-net_> I have to use it at college

<anti-net_> theres lots of mouse throwing and beating becuase it won't do what I want to do :-P

<AdamBagnall> Does vista support burning ISOs? I think that's the hardest step when trying to convert people

<VooDoo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVOFmu2ZIqI

<Sionide> AdamBagnall, doubt it will because nero would be out of business then...

<anti-net_> Sionide, they seem to be quite happy to take te AV companies out of business i don't think there gonna stop at nero

<Sionide> suppose so

<AdamBagnall> Maybe Nero'll go the way of netscape, and open everything up and slowly evolve into the firefox of cd burning. </wishfulthinking>

<anti-net_> we can only hope

<anti-net_> tho, im happy with baker atm

<anti-net_> but a DVD authothing tool would be nice in Ubuntu

<anti-net_> so I can put my "home movies" on DVDs

<AdamBagnall> Have a look at qdvdauthor

<anti-net_> FLOSSy goodness?

<AdamBagnall> yup

<anti-net_> im on Ubuntu not Kubuntu, will it work ok?

<anti-net_> I guess so as its installing atm

<AdamBagnall> Should do, besides, nothing wrong with mixing ubuntu/kubuntu if you have the space to do so. I'm oin Ubuntu but I prefer k3b over gnomebaker

<anti-net_> I need to get some blank DVDs, may have to make a trip to the college shop tomorrow

<VooDoo> i just bought some from asda 5 for 3.95

<X3N> bit of a rip off

<anti-net_> 5 DVDs?

<VooDoo> yeah blanks

<anti-net_> with DVD cases I hope

<X3N> dual layer ?

<VooDoo> no just single and just normal sized cases not the big ones

<anti-net_> bah VooDoo thats a rip off

<X3N> should be about £1.79

<VooDoo> damn ripped off

<kikiwitch> whooo i got an exchange server

* kikiwitch winces

<VooDoo> kikiwitch......i'm sorry

* kikiwitch waits to get shouted at

<kikiwitch> haha

<anti-net_> yeah you can get 25 DVD+Rs at the college shop for a couple of quid

<anti-net_> kikiwitch!!!

<anti-net_> hang your head in shame for using that closed source bullshit

<VooDoo> anti-net: well that doesn't help i haven't been to college in over 10 years :)

<kikiwitch> anti-net_: in my deffense

<AdamBagnall> Calm down anti-net_ right tool for the job and all that

<kikiwitch> I could not get the open source app to work

<kikiwitch> and I did try

<X3N> there is hula

<X3N> if you don't need windows integration

* kikiwitch is only using exchange for it's push email

<VooDoo> kikiwitch: i looked after one once.....pain in the neck if the mail boxes get over a gig :)

<kikiwitch> it's going to be a relay and nothing else

<kikiwitch> VooDoo: I've admined several

<AdamBagnall> That's the freedom of open source kikiwitch, you're supposed to fix it and then let everyone else have your changes :-)

<kikiwitch> you dont have that problem with enterprise edition

<kikiwitch> which is what I have

<VooDoo> kikiwitch: kewl :)

<kikiwitch> like i said though

<kikiwitch> im only doing this for push email

<kikiwitch> couldnt get funambol working

<anti-net_> kikiwitch, if I was't a gentlemen and you werent a girl i'd beat you for using that MS crap :P

<kikiwitch> didnt wanna pay for good

<kikiwitch> so what else can I do?

<kikiwitch> Im not a programmer

<VooDoo> X3N:was going to make a suggestion for your project page on ubuntu-uk

<AdamBagnall> anti-net_, please rename your nick to anti_M$_

<anti-net_> im just winding you up kikiwitch ;-)

<X3N> VooDoo: but ?

<X3N> is it start up a forum ? :p

<X3N> that'd go down well hehe

<VooDoo> X3N: no, been told off for that already

<X3N> :)

<X3N> naughty VooDoo

<VooDoo> was going to suggest you have some volenteer maintainers for the site incase you go on hol or something

* VooDoo hangs head in shame

<X3N> oh right

<anti-net_> best headline ever "A man suffered internal burns when he tried to launch a rocket from his bottom on Bonfire Night."

<VooDoo> maybe a team of help with you as leader :)

<VooDoo> lol

<VooDoo> anti-net: what? you never tried to light your own fart?

<anti-net_> No I have't

<X3N> jonathan riddel also has access to the website

<X3N> but as far as i know he isn't actively maintaining it.

<VooDoo> ah....perhaps you should add that to the page? a complete list of maintainers for contact purposes

<kikiwitch> Windows 2003 Advanced Server and Exchange 2003 Enterprise running on a P3 500 with 256mb of ram :)