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<rjian> good morning to all

<rjian> kuya jucato

<rjian> heeh

<Jucato> morning rjian!

<Jucato> sorry hindi ko napansin. naka silent mode eheheh

<rjian> aihihi

<rjian> ok lng

<dartmolx> goomorneeng! :D

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<Terminus> morning. =)

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<str0ng> gud morning all :)

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<Alter-Ego> if i ubuntu and dailup set on it, and i want to go to kubunt all i really need to do is "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and everything will stay the same including connecting to the internet ?

<gnubee> !seen jond3rd

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<zakame> hi all

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<Terminus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzxdulMGN4 <-- omg! totally inappropriate children's show!

<Terminus> afternoon zakame =)

<Alter-Ego> how does one re-label a partition ?

<str0ng> hello..

<zakame> hi Terminus str0ng

<str0ng> heya zak

<str0ng> may alam ka na na tool, na pwede kong gamitin for my internet connection sharing, na e specify ko lang yung mga IP's na pwede makapag internet... not the whole network?

<rjian> waaaaaaaaaa

<str0ng> not so familiar with iptables kasi :(

<rjian> lols

<rjian> meeting tau sa venue nang party?

<Kamandag> str0ng, look for the ip masquerading how-to

<str0ng> Kamandag, ok.. thanks :)

<Kamandag> papalitan mo lang ng mga ip address yung isang line dun

<Kamandag> ip address ng mga allowed mong mag-browse

<str0ng> ahhhh.. sige..

<str0ng> ill look for a howto.. hehe

<str0ng> kala ko kasi.. may tool for that :)

<Kamandag> meron yata

<Kamandag> ip-kungfu kung hindi ako nagkakamali

<str0ng> ahhh ok..

<Kamandag> pero sanayan rin lang, he he he

<str0ng> thanks Kamandag :)

<str0ng> mas ok din yung alam mo yung iptables..

<Kamandag> str0ng, anong thanks, may bayad yun

<str0ng> pero.. tinatamad akong bumasa hehehe

<str0ng> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

<Kamandag> :))

* str0ng cant afford :(

<str0ng> heheeheh

<Kamandag> he he he

<str0ng> ehehe.

<Kamandag> str0ng, ako rin tamad sa iptables

<Kamandag> :D

<Kamandag> pero sa kamo-modify ng mga script ng iba, medyo naintindihan ko ng konti

<Kamandag> konti lang

<Kamandag> :D

<rjian> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

<str0ng> hahaha

<rjian> ala ba kau meeting for the venue nang party??

<str0ng> naiintidihan ko how it works, but.. to make it work <--- di ko alam :)

<Kamandag> he he he he

<Kamandag> oi party...

<Kamandag> he he he

<rjian> uu kamandag

<rjian> party punta ka?

<rjian> prang ala man meeting

<Kamandag> punta ako pag may time at pera

<Kamandag> he he he

<rjian> ahihi

<Kamandag> time madali lang

<Kamandag> pera hindi

<Kamandag> bwahahahahaha

<rjian> ahihi

<rjian> ala pa nga venue

<Kamandag> oo nga eh

<zakame> Terminus: HOLY CRAP NSFW

<zakame> or at least keep it at mute

<Kamandag> good thing the sound card of this crappy laptop doesn't work on linux

<Kamandag> he he he

<Kamandag> pusakat

<Kamandag> the man

<Kamandag> the cat

<Kamandag> he he he

<pusakat> the idiot.

* pusakat feels so stupid.

<Kamandag> oh why oh why?

<Kamandag> oi gnubee rhca ka na ba?

<Kamandag> he he he

<zakame> e-torque.co.uk

<zakame> speedycat sure is speeedy

<Terminus> zakame: whoops... sorry. i forgot to label it NSFW. >_<

<Jucato> magandang hapon po sa inyong lahat!

<zakame> yo Jucato

<zakame> Terminus: hehe no prob I've earphones ;)

<rjian> zaka

<rjian> zakame: ala ba meeting?

<rjian> eheh

<Jucato> hi rjian! kelan alis mo? sunday?

<gnubee> Kamandag, tagal pa

<gnubee> cancelled yung 442 saka 423

<gnubee> :(

<Kamandag> bakit? walang examiner?

<Kamandag> o nalaman nilang pinipirata ka na ng oracle?

<Kamandag> he he he h

<gnubee> ahehehe

<gnubee> biglang dinampot ng sales ang examiner ... gps kasi

<gnubee> grabe talaga yung misinformation ng oracle ... dapat pala bibili ka din ng db nila bago maging supported ang unbreakable linux mo

<gnubee> di pwedeng linux lang bibilhin mo

<Kamandag> syempre naman

<Kamandag> he he he

<Kamandag> ganyan talaga ang corporate tactics

<rjian> weee

<rjian> kuya Jucato sa sunday pa poh?

<Jucato> ah

<rjian> sundo ka kuya?

<Jucato> hehehe :P

<rjian> ahihi

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<schoolboy> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

<Jucato> hi schoolboy!

<schoolboy> heya jucs

<schoolboy> =)

<rjian> waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

<rjian> niel

<schoolboy> heya rjian

<schoolboy> whats up

<schoolboy> hihihi

<daysleeper_ed> hello, everyone :-)

<Jucato> good afternoon po daysleeper_ed

<Jucato> wb str0ng

<daysleeper_ed> hey, jucato

<str0ng> Jucato, thanks :)

* str0ng tenitesting bagong firewall rules :) heheeh

<schoolboy> halu halu daysleeper_ed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<Jucato> :)

<schoolboy> =))

<daysleeper_ed> hey, schoolboy :-)

<schoolboy> what's up?

<rjian> waaaaaaaaaaa

<rjian> ang flooders and2

<rjian> hehe

<Jucato> flooders? di ba si schoolboy at si rjian yun?

<daysleeper_ed> not much. any ephipany users around?

<daysleeper_ed> tanong ko lang kung dependent sa firefox ang epiphany....

<schoolboy> hinde me flooder ah.. =)

* daysleeper_ed bangs hand on keyboard

<daysleeper_ed> darn typos

<Jucato> daysleeper_ed: yata po. because of gecko. not absolutely sure, though

<daysleeper_ed> Thanks, jucato. not sure how I broke firefox, but i did.

<daysleeper_ed> will try to use epiphany

<schoolboy> what's epiphany?

<Jucato> schoolboy: GNOME project's own web browser

<schoolboy> Jucato: waw!

<Jucato> hm.. not sure if it's GNOME's or GTK's... :P

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<Jucato> ah it's GNOME's

<daysleeper_ed> u might want to try it, schoolboy. lighweight.

<Jucato> http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/

<daysleeper_ed> pero wala masyadong plugins

<Jucato> daysleeper_ed: "Powered by the Gecko engine, Epiphany displays webpages with the same speed and accuracy as Mozilla Firefox."

<daysleeper_ed> darn

<daysleeper_ed> oh, well. opera muna ako

<schoolboy> wag na lang baka firefox wont work afterwards.. hihihi

<daysleeper_ed> until i figure out what i did wrong this time...lol

<Jucato> a lot of Ubuntu users switched to or contemplated switching to Epiphany during the Debian-MozCo issue

<Jucato> schoolboy: no it doesn't. it's basically using Gecko, which is inseperable from Firefox (fornow)

<Jucato> err.. "for now"

<daysleeper_ed> typo faeries are hard at work...seeee.

<daysleeper_ed> :-P

<schoolboy> hihihi i do a lot oy typos din ah .

<Jucato> hahah :P

<daysleeper_ed> me three

<Jucato> yellow four!

<schoolboy> i only updated about two weeks ago..

<Jucato> este...

<schoolboy> my last update was last march ata yun.. hihih

<Jucato> eh June lumabas ung Dapper ah? :P

<schoolboy> =)

<schoolboy> busy me june.. first month of classes eh

<rjian> lolz

<rjian> busy sa date yan

<Jucato> oo nga pala... buhay estudyante...

<schoolboy> also.. it sucks to sync on dial up :(

<Jucato> that, too...

<schoolboy> rjian: so.. how's your thesis coming along? hihihi

<rjian> waaaaaaa

<Jucato> how's yours, schoolboy? :P

<rjian> naloko na d mo ako tinutulong

<rjian> ngaun pa class namin

<schoolboy> Jucato: don't know.. hihihihi bahala na lang.. basta i'll do anything makagraduate lang this sem

<Jucato> oo malapit na yan... ilang buwan na lang

<schoolboy> uu :(

<rjian> Months na lng niel tulong mo na ako

<schoolboy> haven't updated my blog na din for many days now.. :((

<schoolboy> rjian: i don't know vb. hihihihi so you are on your own =)

<rjian> niel ur using Blogger?

<rjian> waaaaaaaa

<schoolboy> hinde hinde.. blogsome =)

<schoolboy> but i kept 2 blogger blogs dati

<Jucato> schoolboy: I'm reducing my blogs to 2: Blogger (main) and Fwendster... (yuck!)

<Jucato> and I have to post pala today. bwahahah!

<schoolboy> Jucato: i haven't seen your blogger blog pa

<schoolboy> only your multiply lang

<Jucato> mas maraming laman ung multiply. pero idodrop ko na yun... hirap magmaintain 3 sets of stuff...

<schoolboy> i wanna write something interesting din as a comeback.. hihihi

<Jucato> buti na lang I save my posts in Kate. so I have backups :)

<Jucato> schoolboy: I have an idea. just write: "I have returned!" yun lang :P

<schoolboy> something more substantial din.. para i can get attention of chicks..

<schoolboy> hmm

<Jucato> ahahah

<Jucato> "I have returned! And I'm available!"

<rjian> lols

<schoolboy> siguru i'll include screenshot din.. hihihi

<rjian> ahihi

<schoolboy> im watching kasi anime recently.. pita ten.. cuuuutttteee!

<rjian> hmmm

<rjian> maybe i should write something about niel and Kuya Jucato..

<schoolboy> rjian: waaaaa numa :p

<Jucato> bwahahah! there's nothing you could write about me :P

<schoolboy> rjian: you keep a blog ??

<rjian> maybe i should tittle it "THE Maingay and the Flooders"

<rjian> ahihih

<Jucato> hahah! kasama ka kaya dun :P

<schoolboy> =) hehehe we can talk about linux too if you want. hehehe

<schoolboy> flooding is fun.. pero it's boring if no one gets angry at me.. :p

<Jucato> sige, hindi na ako makakarelate pag ganyan :P

<rjian> lols

<schoolboy> hala yay! washing your hands ei :p

<Jucato> hindi naman... hindi lang talaga ako magaling sa mga ganyan...

* Jucato goes of to read the C++ FAQ Lite instead...

<rjian> niel: sir jucato is good on kubuntu :)

<Jucato> and only on Kubuntu :P

<Jucato> rjian: "sir" is reserved for pusakat :P

<schoolboy> yep! i think so too! his blog is full of kubuntu stuff! =)

<schoolboy> and neat shots too

<Jucato> oooh I just remembered...

<Jucato> argh! bakit hindi pwde ang PNG sa Picasa Web Albums!!!

* Jucato has to convert all PNG's to JPG's before uploading...

<schoolboy> http://www.nightrose.com/lenore.htm nice o

<rjian> jucato is an hacker on Kubuntu

<Jucato> no I'm not... not yet at least :P

* str0ng im free to chat!

<str0ng> hehehe

<Jucato> hi kuya str0ng!

<schoolboy> =)

<str0ng> Hello Jucato :)

* Jucato hands str0ng some strong Java coffee

<schoolboy> i wanna be a hacker sa chicks

<str0ng> wow.. sarap..

<schoolboy> (15:42:18) str0ng: wow.. sarap.. <- the chicks?

<str0ng> Jucato, di pa ako naka tikim talaga nang Java Coffee hehehe

<schoolboy> hehe

* Jucato wonders what "open sourcing" chicks would mean... :P

<str0ng> schoolboy, hahaah di ah..

<schoolboy> ahh coffee pala

<str0ng> open sourcing... " " ?

<schoolboy> yes! i like this topic.. =)

<schoolboy> weee

* str0ng oppsss.. censored :) heeheh

<Jucato> ok next topic!!!

<schoolboy> nah! open sourcing chicks na!

<str0ng> hehe.

<schoolboy> =)

<str0ng> open source tsik, means.. you can share the code?

<str0ng> open source tsik, means.. you can share the "___"?

<Jucato> haha

<schoolboy> of course.. everyone knows na "code" in this context is a metaphor? :p hehehe

<Jucato> actually, I was thinking "open source chick" = open sa lahat, kita ang lahat :P

<str0ng> ha ha ha..

<str0ng> oi.. bad yan Jucato ha heheehe

<Jucato> ok I'm just being baaaaad

<str0ng> your imagining n*k*d

<schoolboy> its ok to be bad =) mwahahah

<str0ng> hehe

<Jucato> str0ng: n*k*d = nUkEd?

<str0ng> hahaha

<daysleeper_ed> lagot kayo... kapag nakita ng mga girls sa chatlog yan!!! :-X

<str0ng> hahaah

<str0ng> hala! naka chatlog pala to!

* Jucato misses ate eclair...

* str0ng zips his big mouth

<schoolboy> hihihihi

* daysleeper_ed in an angelic voice...

<schoolboy> reminds me of a post i made way back! lemme search it :D

<daysleeper_ed> ako ang 'yong konsensya

<daysleeper_ed> O:-)

<Jucato> daysleeper_ed: safeguard? :P

<daysleeper_ed> ]:->

<schoolboy> daysleeper_ed: you can blame everything on me .. i dont mind :D

<Jucato> I just suddenly remembered "Happy Feet" for no reason at all :P

<daysleeper_ed> happy feet? i linked to that blog a couple of years back.

<daysleeper_ed> the author isn't writing anymore...i think

<str0ng> teka.. post muna ako sa blog ko.. para naman may entry kahit papano

<Jucato> no, the movie "Happy Feet"

<Jucato> about penguins :)

<daysleeper_ed> jucato: okie

<daysleeper_ed> :-[

<schoolboy> i found it! i found it!

<schoolboy> http://amerei.blogspot.com/2004/11/unix-gurus-view-of-sex.html

* Jucato dreams to one day be included in Ubuntu-PH Planet

<schoolboy> mwhahaha

<str0ng> excluded din ako sa ubuntu-ph planet hehe

<str0ng> pano ba mag pa member dun?

<rjian> uu nga ako nga ala dun

<rjian> ahhii

<schoolboy> Jucato: this sounds extremely cliche-ish.. but jsut continue your zealotry.. you'll get noticed eventually =)

* daysleeper_ed using his grandpa voice...

<Jucato> str0ng: magpapa-add ka lang ata.. dunno kung kanino sasabihin. bakay kay kuya zak or kuya jerome

<Terminus> omg! grabe break ni bata reyes! pasok yung nine!

<str0ng> ah ok..

<daysleeper_ed> in the old days, we just asked ealden to add us

<Jucato> schoolboy: btw, I like the post :P

* Terminus is gonna be glued to espn for most of the day.

<Jucato> "in the old days"??? :P

<rjian> Strong: dont disturb them they are talking about girls..

<rjian> eheh

<daysleeper_ed> j/k

<Jucato> hahah

<schoolboy> mwhahaha

<str0ng> heheh am not :)

* str0ng mute mode

<Jucato> ang PNG lossless di ba? tapos JPG lossy?

<schoolboy> i used to write my frustrations down... mostly, about girls.. teachers/school.. life and sometimes.. linux

<schoolboy> hhihi

<Jucato> wow! one of the rare people to be frustrated with linux :P

<schoolboy> was never at a loss for bad words too =)

<Jucato> hehe

<schoolboy> Jucato: i got into linux because i just wanted a girl to notice me

<schoolboy> thats the honest to goodness truth

<Jucato> yeah. you've told me already :P

<Jucato> but now you're doing more with it :)

<Jucato> (but still no girls)

<schoolboy> yeah.. which really sucks btw

<Jucato> not for me :P

<str0ng> schoolboy, try doing their assignments/projects.. am sure.. they will recognize you more.. :)

<schoolboy> mwahahahah

<daysleeper_ed> asawa ko nagseselos......sa ubuntu!

<daysleeper_ed> :-[

<Jucato> ngak...

<schoolboy> str0ng: hinde eh.. they just take advantage... (everyone tells me that) pero they're cute so i give them chances =)

<str0ng> may nakita akong logo sa ubuntu..

<schoolboy> hihihi

<str0ng> nakakatawa.. yung 3 *ss*ss :)

<str0ng> hahaah

<schoolboy> sige.. i'll dc na.. hobby time

<Jucato> w/c means playing DoTA right?

<schoolboy> ahh hinde hinde.. hehehe

<Jucato> girl watching?

<schoolboy> im going back to my ELF studies.. that's the only thing i find worth doing.. other than girl watching =)

<Jucato> hahaha

<schoolboy> do you read phrack?

<Jucato> but why the need to dc? kawawa naman si rjian, mawawalan ng kausap

<daysleeper_ed> "phrack"?

<schoolboy> daysleeper_ed: yep.. an ezine =)

<rjian> lols

<rjian> may kausap me noh

<rjian> alis na din me

<daysleeper_ed> okie, schoolboy. my age is showing :-[

<rjian> my class pa me

<schoolboy> if i have no idea on what to do next.. i visit the phrack site to look for something interesting to do

<schoolboy> http://www.phrack.org/

<schoolboy> you can find classics there.. e.g. aleph one's smashing the stack for fun and profit... and similar stuff

<schoolboy> daysleeper_ed: ooh... so you are young ei!

* Jucato goes back to reading C++ FAQ Lite...

<daysleeper_ed> nope, schoolboy...a bit older, wiser and just plain f'd up

<Jucato> daysleeper_ed: f'd up = fed up? :P

<schoolboy> daysleeper_ed: fed up? y? y?

<Jucato> or fsck'd up?

<daysleeper_ed> Jucato: Freaked out?

<daysleeper_ed> LOL

<schoolboy> anyway.. bye bye =)

<schoolboy> hihihih nice chatting wiht y'all

<daysleeper_ed> reminds me of that Spoof Ultd shirt....

<Jucato> bye

<daysleeper_ed> Spoof of the Mountain Dew Logo... Mountain Juts

<Jucato> I wonder if Ubuntu will be popular enough one day to have a Spoof shirt...

<schoolboy> quit helo world

<schoolboy> oops

<Jucato> bwahaha

<Jucato> mas maganda "/quit return 0;:

<daysleeper_ed> wrong terminal?

<Jucato> nakalimutan ung "/"

<daysleeper_ed> anybody using vmware server here?

<Jucato> I do

<Jucato> but I'm no expert :)

<daysleeper_ed> ummm... can u survive on 512mb if you load xp on your virtual machine...

<daysleeper_ed> I mean 512mb of physical mem

<Jucato> I think so. 256 for XP, 256 for Linux... or maybe something higher for XP, then leave 128 for Linux?

<daysleeper_ed> hmmm...

<daysleeper_ed> i think i need a slim down ubuntufirst

<daysleeper_ed> ubuntu first*

<Jucato> (use xubuntu! eheheh)

<Jucato> typo faeries

* daysleeper_ed gets fly swatter...

* daysleeper_ed tries to swat typo faeries.

<Jucato> heheh

<daysleeper_ed> dang.... they is all ovah my desk now.

* Jucato has to convert all PNG's to JPG's... just to upload to Picasa Web... :(

* daysleeper_ed gesticulating to "sound of settling"

<Terminus> Jucato: using imagemagick? =)

<Jucato> Terminus: I'm not sure. I forgot which package installs a Konqueror service menu to convert images...

<Jucato> kasi naman Picasa Web eh... ayoko naman mag flickr...

<Terminus> Jucato: if you're converting a lot of images, better to just use 'convert'

<Jucato> command line? what package installs it?

<Terminus> command line. imagemagick yung package.

<Jucato> ah

<Terminus> wait a minute... can't figure out how to chop the png and replace it with jpg. >_<

<Jucato> hehe ok lang. if my hunch is right, kipi-plugins will install what I wanted :)

<Jucato> ok no it didn't lol :)

<Terminus> here's what i was thinking, stuff the filenames minus extension in a file, cat it and pipe it to xargs. =)

<Jucato> oh...

<Terminus> well, all i have to figure out now is how to change the delimiter in perl.

<Jucato> Terminus: how ironic... imagemagick is the same package that gives Konqueror that right-click utility heheh

<Terminus> lol

<Terminus> ok, i'm halfway there. i was able to print the extension, but we want the filename. hehe

<Jucato> unfortunately... it converts to a .png.jpg file :P

<Terminus> Jucato: got it. at least the part where you stuff the filenames into a file. =)

<Jucato> hehe

<Terminus> find . -iname '*.png'| perl -aF'\.' -ne 'pop @F; $x = pop @F; @y = split("/", $x); print pop(@y) . "\n";'

<Jucato> perl?

<Terminus> ummm... yeah. =D

<Jucato> so that basically removes the .png and replaces it with .jpg?

<Jucato> (btw, Ctrl+A + right-click -> Convert To -> JPEG works too...

<Jucato> I just don't know where to control the options for imagemagick..

<Terminus> Jucato: no... if you have a file 'foo.png', it prints 'foo'

<Jucato> aaah

<Terminus> that first pop is probably unnecessary if unshift is used instead. or not...

<Terminus> find . -iname '*.png'| perl -aF'\.' -ne 'pop @F; $x = pop @F; @y = split("/", $x); print pop(@y) . "\n";' > list.txt and then cat list.txt|xargs -iARG convert ARG.png ARG.jpg

<Terminus> that's what i was thinking

<Jucato> um... you're speaking greek.. :(

<Terminus> instead of printing to screen, have that find|perl line stuff everything into list.txt and then display the file and pipe it to xargs so that you'll have parameters for convert.

<Jucato> pero I'm impressed! :)

<Terminus> heh, don't be, until it works. =P

<Terminus> that thing doesn't work if you have multiple '.' in the filename.

<Jucato> oops

<Terminus> it's possible to modify it to only get rid of the extension though...

<Jucato> it worked :P

<Jucato> at least for those without multiple '.'

<Terminus> actually, i think i'm stupid. $_ =~ s/.png$//; would have probably been shorter.

<Terminus> let me rethink it.

<Jucato> nah it's ok. thank you

<Kamandag> Terminus, kasali ka ba sa SEO contest?

<Kamandag> :D

<Jucato> (unless you want to just for the sake of thinking :P)

<Terminus> find . -iname '*.jpg'| perl -ne '$_ =~ s/.jpg$//i; print $_;' <-- a lot shorter, and works with . in the filename.

<Terminus> Kamandag: what's SEO?

<Jucato> Terminus: after all that hard work, I might decide to just sign up for Flickr... lol

<Terminus> Jucato: lol

<Jucato> Terminus: kasi at least flickr tumatanggap ng PNG at GIF... kaso gusto ko sana may "albums"... :(

<Terminus> whoops... replace jpg with png. jpg yung test images ko dito eh. hehe

<Kamandag> Terminus, Search Engine Optimization

<Kamandag> in other words, pissing contest ng mga bloggers/webmasters

<Kamandag> lol

<Jucato> lol

<Terminus> Kamandag: hahaha. i don't even have a blog! although i'm working on one. =)

<Terminus> forget about wordpress and stuff. i'm writing mine in html and using mod_include. hahaha

<Kamandag> Terminus, my former blog was a simple perl hosted on one of the servers i maintain

<Terminus> Kamandag: i'm not even bothering with perl. =)

<Kamandag> became tired of it and joined blogspot

<Kamandag> he he he

<Terminus> i studied SEO before though, and i got our pension house on the first page of google. bwahahaha!

<Kamandag> he he he

<Terminus> seems ok, since i'm getting mail through our reservations email.

<Kamandag> well, there's a contest now

<daysleeper_ed> bye, all

<Kamandag> hoping that, makagagapang ako ng ilang links dito

<Kamandag> he he he

<Jucato> blogspot....

<Terminus> hahaha

<Terminus> i stopped doing SEO once i got on the first page. didn't really care na about being number one.

* Jucato really needs to take a crash course on CSS...

<Terminus> besides, yung generic search term ko is the name of one pension house dito eh. pretty hard to beat. hahaha

<Terminus> Jucato: css is easy. just be careful of margin collapsing. * { margin: 0; padding: 1px; } takes care of that. =)

<Jucato> Terminus: it's easy when/if you can make sense of all the um... tags?

<Terminus> Jucato: well, it's also important that you know html. hehe

<Jucato> ah that I know :)

<Terminus> for example, to change the font for <h1>, h1 { font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; }

<Terminus> =)

<Jucato> I *used to* make simple web pages in high school... pure HTML coded by hand in Notepad. never used Dreamweaver, Frontpage, et al

<Terminus> i only started on web pages when i learned vim. notepad was just bad at indentation, and no way i'm gonna use a WYSIWYG.

<Jucato> hahah... notepad was my one and only text editor back then

<Kamandag> bluefish may pre-defined

<Kamandag> but my favorite editor on X and win32 is SciTE

<Kamandag> he he he

<Kamandag> pag commandline vi(m)

<Terminus> vim pa rin ako. i have specific indentation rules depending on the file i'm editing. hehehe

<Terminus> kahit sa X, i'd rather launch xterm, screen, and vim. =)

<Jucato> heheh.. old guys :P

<Terminus> oh, and on win32, i still install vim. =)

<Adames> lol

<Kamandag> SciTE rocks

<Kamandag> :D

<Kamandag> vim rocks

<Kamandag> emacs?

<butiki> Rumor has it emacs is an extensible editor with modes for programming, writing and the creation of simple drawings. Emacs has many of the characteristics of a self-contained working environment or jokingly referred to as Eighty Megabytes And Constantly Swapping, Kamandag

<Kamandag> well....

<Kamandag> no comment

<Kamandag> bwahahahahaha

<Terminus> i tried learning emacs, but just didn't have the time to get comfortable with it. hehehe

<Kamandag> well, for other users, emacs is their environment

<Kamandag> he he he

<Jucato> for some, it's Kate :P

<Terminus> i'd give it a try again if i don't have a lot of editing to do na. hehe

<Kamandag> btw, i found out na ini-install ng wine ang notepad

<Kamandag> :))

<Jucato> yeah, it runs well.

<Jucato> I just navigated to the C:\Windows of my XP drive and ran "wine notepad.exe" :P

<Terminus> hehehe

<Terminus> i haven't installed wine in such a long time.

<Terminus> favorite vector program ko na ngayon inkscape. =)

<Jucato> favorite? is there anything else to choose? (hehehe!)

<Kamandag> old sodipodi

<Kamandag> he he he

<Jucato> :P

<Jucato> didn't know it was still alive

<Terminus> well, there is coreldraw and illustrator...

<Kamandag> i dunno kung kayang mag-export ng SVG ang oo.org draw

<Jucato> karbon14, and Xara Xtreme...

<Kamandag> kanina, I installed inkscape

<Kamandag> Install 19 Package(s)

<Kamandag> yan ang dependencies

<Kamandag> he he he

<Jucato> hehe

<Jucato> oh gotta go... :)

<Jucato> brb

<Terminus> hmmm... which would you guys use, JSON, XML-RPC, or SOAP?

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<str0ng> Terminus, is there an available package counter part for adobe flash? for presentation?

<Kamandag> str0ng, you mean a flash creator?

<str0ng> Kamandag, hmmm.. yeah

<str0ng> Kamandag, yung pang gawa nang mga animations.. :)

<Kamandag> afaik, rudimentary lang

<str0ng> or.. presentation..

<Kamandag> pero kung animations blender

<Kamandag> :D

<Kamandag> pero hindi flash

<str0ng> ahhh..

<Kamandag> presentation, pwedeng export to flash ang OO.org present

<str0ng> ay ganun bha?

<str0ng> teka.. tingnan ko yung OO.present

<Terminus> awww... talo si corteza.

<Terminus> str0ng: sorry. was watching TV. =D

<str0ng> Terminus, heheeh ok lang :)

<Terminus> hmmm... all i know is that you can create an swf programmatically. no GUIs AFAIK.

<schoolboy> weee

<plitskin> is it not possible to save files when you're using vmware?

<plitskin> I'm using kubuntu and when I tried saving a file and booting up kubuntu again using vmware, the file was gone... :(

<zakame> back

<Jucato> good evening :)

<zakame> yo Jucato

<Jucato> good evening kuya zak!

<Terminus> evening. =)

<zakame> evening Jucato Terminus

<ulinskie> zakame: hey there!

<ulinskie> zakame: sure na sa 15? have you chosen a place?

<Alter-Ego> what is the program used for CD-R in Ubuntu ?

<Jucato> Nautilus? or Gnomebaker (not installed by default)

<Alter-Ego> sudo apt-get install gnomebaker?

<Jucato> yep

<jsgotangco> hello

<Jucato> good evening kuya jsgotangco!

<jsgotangco> Jucato: peace be with you

<Alter-Ego> isn't nautilus the file browser in gnome ?

<Jucato> jsgotangco: et cum spiritu tuo

<jsgotangco> cum?

<jsgotangco> bwahah

<jsgotangco> sorry

<ulinskie> jsgotangco: bwahaha bakit kakatyin mo na at tinawag kang kuya?

<Jucato> jsgotangco: lol :P

<Alter-Ego> what does the future hold for gnome now that ms has invested in gnome?

<Jucato> good evening ate ulinskie :)

<jsgotangco> MS invested in gnome?

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: peace be with you

<Alter-Ego> no, suse linux by novel

<Jucato> Alter-Ego: nautilus has a built-in burner, iirc.

<ulinskie> jsgotangco: amen

<Jucato> Alter-Ego: ay meron pala, Serpentine is installed by default. CD burning app un, iirc

<Alter-Ego> which i understand that suse contributed a lot to gnome

<ulinskie> jsgotangco: hey d u have a good tutorial on gcompris and scribus?

<Jucato> Alter-Ego: it has nothing to do with GNOME and/or KDE

<jsgotangco> hmm

<jsgotangco> Alter-Ego: dude, they partnered with a company that pulls software from upstream development

<jsgotangco> although it is true, that the primary developers of Gnome are Novell people

<jsgotangco> but there's also the Red Hat people

<CuriousCat> hello everybody

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: peace be with you

<Jucato> pax vobiscum

<Jucato> er.. "pax tecum" pala

* Jucato waits for jsgotangco's laughter :P

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: and also with you

<zakame> hi jsgotangco CuriousCat

<CuriousCat> i still can't get linux to boot. :P

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: gcompris tutorial hmmm

<Alter-Ego> i need to format a partition and move files

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: hmmm

<zakame> jsgotangco: please nom not that cum

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: give it to me I'll install it

<zakame> ulinskie: seen my mail?

<CuriousCat> i just need to find out what device name does this thing see it as.

<CuriousCat> apparently the it doesn't recognize /dev/hda2

<Alter-Ego> mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: sda

<ulinskie> zakame: checked it 10 minutes ago.. i'll check again

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: i tried sda din. Ayaw.

<Alter-Ego> ah, pen drive ? in 6.10 they have funny names

<Jucato> GB 7pm?

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: does it mount as a USB device or something in windows or linux

<zakame> CuriousCat: what that?

<CuriousCat> Alter-Ego: nope. NEC MobilePro 780. Trying to get it to boot linux from a CF card.

<zakame> ah that

<CuriousCat> i'm trying to follow the instructions from here: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/NecMobilePro780HowTo

<CuriousCat> yung root device ang problem talaga

<CuriousCat> my CF card is already partitioned into two. one is fat16, the other is ext2

<CuriousCat> kita yung fat16 ng device. pero the bootloader doesn't seem to recognize ext2

<CuriousCat> so, er, help?

* jsgotangco decided to give a name to his laptop

<zakame> what's the bootloader?

<CuriousCat> zakame: read the link i gave.

<jsgotangco> she's not flashing the thing

<jsgotangco> she's trying to run another os from CF

<jsgotangco> which i haven't tried :)

<jsgotangco> but I can flash that for sure

<CuriousCat> it's a version of psdboot which they got from netbsd.

<jsgotangco> if you would like to have some risk of not being able to use it at all :)

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: yeah. i know. but i don't want to flash it e

<jsgotangco> i can flash it for you but yeah i have my disclaimer :)

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: kakasabi lang na ayaw ko i-flash e!

<CuriousCat> kulit. :D

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: i-flash natin kasi!

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: ayaw!

<zakame> flush please

<zakame> bump

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: if i manage to get the other one and I flash it, will you?

* CuriousCat huggles Envy

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: depende.

<jsgotangco> chicken

* jsgotangco flashed his zaurus hundreds of times

* jsgotangco flashed his ipaq 2 times till it died

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: he took it out of the auction block kasi. He found out that the PCMCIA slot wasn't functioning

* jsgotangco is wondering if a nokia e61 is flashable

<jsgotangco> oh jeezz

<jsgotangco> oh well

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: <cluck><cluck><cluck>

* jsgotangco calls brother

<ulinskie> jsgotangco: marami pang load yang sip number mo?

<zakame> decepticon http://kei.iichan.net/b/src/1163063682298.jpg

* jsgotangco is wondering if he should flash his ipod

* CuriousCat is wondering if she should go netBSD

<jsgotangco> if you enjoy pain

<CuriousCat> :P

<jsgotangco> decepticon?

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: there's a nice coffebook avaialble at work, if you're interested i can get you a copy, we get it discounted, 4 gives

<jsgotangco> (the lopez book that is)

<CuriousCat> oooh! Kapitan?

<jsgotangco> yeah

<CuriousCat> How much does it cost ba?

<jsgotangco> 3000 hardbound

<jsgotangco> 2000 paperback

<jsgotangco> sa national :)

<zakame> free pag ebook?

<CuriousCat> ah. hmm. how much is the discount?

<zakame> :P

<jsgotangco> for employees?

<jsgotangco> 2k hardbound

<jsgotangco> 900 paperback

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: mga $9.50 pa, madami pa yun kung sa USA ka tatawag

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: 1cent/minute lang eh

<CuriousCat> ooh! paperback lang pwede na.

<CuriousCat> not much difference naman, di ba?

<jsgotangco> sure

<jsgotangco> it still has my picture somewhere whatever version for sure

<CuriousCat> picture?!

<jsgotangco> weheheh

<CuriousCat> gah

<zakame> lol

<jsgotangco> we had a group pic before, all network and subsidiaries

<zakame> probably the red picanto's there too

<ulinskie> o sge utang ako nang $1 pag nasa manila na lang ako.. i'll call my mom

<ulinskie> jsgotangco: how much did ur mom pay for it?

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: i can give you my login name/pass

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: i paid for it

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: but you can't use it sa abs, we have this legendary firewall

<ulinskie> jsgotangco: how much?

<CuriousCat> aaah

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: anyway i'm probably just 3 dots wide there

<ulinskie> sge.. i'll try to use it on saturday na lang

<zakame> great firewall of wowowee

<jsgotangco> CuriousCat: pag lumabas na lang yung annual report namin...hehehe...ill probably be forced to wear a coat and tie

<jsgotangco> gahh

<Alter-Ego> for some reason, my /home directory shows itself as a read only file system

<Alter-Ego> bad drive or a setting ?

<zakame> Alter-Ego: is that coming from a hibernate?

<Alter-Ego> no,

<ulinskie> hey have u heard of this http://ubuntuos.com/podcast/

<Alter-Ego> i thought the drive had crashed, but i can access other partitions on the drive

<zakame> Alter-Ego: just remount it, mount -o remount,rw

<Alter-Ego> so, mount -o remount, rw /dev/hdb3 /mnt/hdb3

<CuriousCat> :))

<zakame> no space between comma and rw

<ulinskie> CuriousCat: where u contacted by freesoftwaremagazine about a blogging contest?

<jsgotangco> heh

* jsgotangco is a blogger/slacker for freesoftwaremagazine

<zakame> http://kei.iichan.net/b/src/1163056224017.jpg

<mangz74> JuCaTo!

<Jucato> good evening kuya mangz74!

<mangz74> good evening

<mangz74> ano balita?

<mangz74> jucato:have u tried doing LFS?

<jsgotangco> mangz74: peace be with ou

<mangz74> hey JSG

<Jucato> mangz74: nope. I haven't even done Slack/Gentoo/Arch yet :)

<mangz74> JSG:is it possible to do UFS? UFS=ubuntu from scratch

<zakame> y nat?

<jsgotangco> why not

<Jucato> the source code is available

<jsgotangco> just grabe all the sources and compile

<mangz74> hmmm

<jsgotangco> Jucato: no that's not the answer ;)

<Jucato> mangz74: I don't run a default Kubuntu installation. I installed kde-core instead

<jsgotangco> mangz74: puwede but you're better off creating your own seeds

<Jucato> jsgotangco: oh... didn't know. what should the answer be?

<jsgotangco> so no need to compile :)

<jsgotangco> Jucato: seeds

<zakame> right, just a need to scratch an itch

<Jucato> aaah

* Jucato doesn't know about seeds...

<CuriousCat> ulinskie: hi there! no. i wasn't contacted. why?

<zakame> its like gundam

<Jucato> lol

<Jucato> gundam seed

<ulinskie> CuriousCat: i'll forward you the mail.. u might wanna join

<zakame> hehe

* Jucato was thinking more along the lines of Zenki, with "binhi ni Karuma"

<zakame> pardon me I['m a reformed channe :P

<zakame> *channer

<jsgotangco> ulinskie: sure that's a good place to blog really, tony is a great guy

<mangz74> JSG: so possible to compile Ubuntu from scratch using LFS instructions using Ubuntu sources?

<ulinskie> jsgotangco: really good to hear that

<Jucato> mangz74: he's gone :(

<zakame> ulinskie: blogging somewhere?

<butiki> News from slashdot: Salt Lake City Plan May Turn Sewer Waste To Energy

* Jucato wonders if jsgmobile will log in..

<mangz74> can somebody answer my question?

<ulinskie> zakame: hey i'll forward it to you too

<zakame> mangz74: sure you canm ubuntu sources are just the same as upstream with only ubuntu-specific patches

<zakame> mangz74: which means they're as different as upstream's :p

<zakame> ulinskie: thanks

<Alter-Ego> i need to cp one directory to another drive. cp -r somedirectory seems to copy only the files in that directory not the directory itself

<zakame> its cp -a you're looking for :)

<zakame> or a tar-pipe :D

<mangz74> zakame:thanks for the reply

<mangz74> jucato:wala na naman ako magawa...wants to do a UFS

<Jucato> bwahaha

<Jucato> I *almost* did that by installing kde-core. only difference is I still used binary packages :P

<Alter-Ego> zakame: thanks

<Jucato> mahilig ka po talagang mag compile no? :P

<zakame> you could try running piuparts on an archive mirror, that's a lot of fun :)

<mangz74> JucatO; yeah, sort of...i just want to see how to things work from the inside out

<Jucato> :)

<Jucato> I'm not brave enough to compile big things just yet...

<mangz74> i am printing the LFS book at work

<mangz74> hehehe

<CuriousCat> ulinskie: ok. thanks! :)

<Jucato> bwahaha! ilang pages un?

<mangz74> nasa 1/4 pa ako...mga 50 pages na

<mangz74> LOL

<Jucato> wow! daming ink at paper heheh

<mangz74> people here doesn't care...at least mine is educational

<Jucato> educational... for you hehehe

<mangz74> mga kasama ko nagpri-print ng receipe book...mga 2 inches thick

<mangz74> wala paki mga tao

<Jucato> bwahaha

<mangz74> buti na lang ang laser printer namin nasa ibang floor

<mangz74> pero mga tao doon nagpri-print lang din mga kalukuhan

<mangz74> i mean colored laser printer pala

<mangz74> hehehe

<Jucato> heheh! I knew it! jsgmobile has arrived!

<Jucato> jsgmobile: pax tecum

<jsgmobile> Actually reinstalling kubuntu

<Jucato> O_o

<jsgmobile> Had to test ichthux rc

<Jucato> ah

<jsgmobile> Im so out of touch with linux lately

<jsgmobile> Its only at home i can hack code now

<mangz74> sana maka tapos ako ng distro from scratch...i'll name it...hmmm

<Jucato> UFS :P

<mangz74> UFS?

<Jucato> Ubuntu from Scratch?

<zakame> UFO

<mangz74> wala ba noon?

<mangz74> wala pa ba gumawa noon?

<Jucato> none dared tread that path

<jsgmobile> P*tanginux

<Jucato> rofl!

<mangz74> hehehe

<zakame> jsgmobile: moar

<zakame> brb, moving to home/smart-3g

<Alter-Ego> i need to check the size of a directory

<Alter-Ego> is there a primer somewhere that has equivlent linux commands to dos commands

<jsgmobile> Nauubos pera ni zakame kakagamit ng smart 3G

<Jucato> "du <directory>" ?

<jsgmobile> man df

<jsgmobile> Err du sorry

<Alter-Ego> man is not working at the moment, i am in rescue mode

<mangz74> ang hightech ng mga cellphones nyo dyan

<jsgmobile> Mas maganda software ng blackberry

<jsgmobile> The new PocketPC/Palm is symbian

<jsgmobile> And it can multitask

<jsgmobile> In 5 years more people would be using hybrid phones to access the internet

<Alter-Ego> so i see the last release was edgy and the next is fiesty. will the next be crash and the following be burn :-)

<jsgmobile> It doest follow the ubuntu weird and distasteful developmental codename policy

<Jucato> :P

<jsgmobile> Jeezz blacberry has gtalk why cant symbian

<ulinskie> bye all

* Jucato wants to try jmIRC on his 6600 too...

<mangz74> ok yung release nong Linux smart phones

<Jucato> which ones?

<jsgotangco> probably qtopia green phone

<jsgotangco> if not motorola

<mangz74> not the qtopia

<Jucato> I think the one from FIC is good

<mangz74> yeah that one

<mangz74> with the GPS

<mangz74> FIC

<mangz74> and its cheaper too...qtopia is a bit more expensive...

<jsgotangco> FIC?

<Jucato> ah you read about it too? :)

<jsgotangco> mangz74: well qtopia isn't selling it for mass market, its a design concept phone :)

<Jucato> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html

<mangz74> i think fic is still a concept phone

<Jucato> jsgotangco: you mean the greenphone?

<jsgotangco> Jucato: yes

<jsgotangco> qtopia built it for reference design

<jsgotangco> just like how intel makes reference designs for motherboards for its processors

<Alter-Ego> i have a partition /home and a /

<mangz74> openMoko

<mangz74> thats what they are calling the phone architecture from FIC...

<mangz74> OpenMokong :)

<Alter-Ego> my home partition is corrupted, and i need to relabel ? /home from /home to something else and relabel another partition in another drive as /home so ubuntu will boot

<Jucato> heheh

<Alter-Ego> but i don't know how ?

<Jucato> the greenphone is a concept phone. but not qtopia itself, afaik. (some of the Motorola phones already use it)

<jsgotangco> huh?

<jsgotangco> dude

<jsgotangco> have you used qtopia

<jsgotangco> do you really know what you're talking about

<Jucato> I did say "afaik" right?

<jsgotangco> greenphone = qtopia phone edition

<jsgotangco> qtopia = trolltech

<jsgotangco> motorola =! trolltech

<jsgotangco> motorola uses monta vista

<Jucato> "Motorola has chosen Qtopia Core as the foundation for its E680 and A780 mobile phones." http://www.trolltech.com/customers/allcustomers/motorola

<jsgotangco> yeah too bad that model sucked, my former boss used that too

<jsgotangco> or maybe im wrong

<jsgotangco> anyway the only worthy motorola linux phone worth using is the rokr e2

<mangz74> so motorola uses linux on their core?

<mangz74> hmm never realized thatn

<Jucato> some

<mangz74> may gsm phone ba ang motorola?

<jsgotangco> not all moto phones use linux

<jsgotangco> Jucato: E680 right, ive seen that locally, its sux00r

<mangz74> may gsm ba na motorola dyan?

<jsgotangco> and E680i

<jsgotangco> mangz74: yeah

<mangz74> really?

<jsgotangco> its the hottest 3G brand at the moment

<mangz74> ano model dyan

<jsgotangco> Razr

<mangz74> kasi mga moto phones dito hindi gsm kaya ayaw ko sa moto phones

<mangz74> i want to be able to use my phone here when i go there...

<jsgotangco> hanap ka ng Rokr E2 linux yun

<mangz74> must be triband

<jsgotangco> yeah

<jsgotangco> all phones here are already triband

<jsgotangco> probably next year quadband na

<mangz74> damn

<mangz74> ang hightech nyo...

<jsgotangco> sa 3G phones are becoming cheaper

<jsgotangco> http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/EtenG500ScreenshotsGpeNfs

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<mangz74> i think i'll stick to my hp6315 until FIC gets into the market

<Jucato> I hope it really is cheap... :)

<mangz74> hahah

<mangz74> did u watch the presentation on the page?

<mangz74> u could add apps in a semi apt-get environment

<mangz74> :)

<Jucato> yeah

<Jucato> that's my dream Linux phone... I mean, for me, it's practically useless to just have a phone that runs Linux but not much Linux programs, since I'm not a hacker (yet)

<mangz74> i agree with that

<mangz74> if you are going to make a linux phone..make it like a pocketpc smartphone..

<mangz74> you can install programs..

<Jucato> my only fear is that FIC's phone sounds too good to be true... :)

<mangz74> remove programs

<mangz74> $$wise..that sounds okay

<mangz74> coz a lot of companies are already making money selling apps to pocketpc

<jsgotangco> its arm7

<jsgotangco> its like having a small x86

<mangz74> so its possible with linux smartphonet oo

<mangz74> yeah

<mangz74> jucato:baka pag na release na ang FIC...may kde theme na rin sila

<mangz74> right now mukhang gnomish eh

<jsgotangco> its probably based on gpe

<Jucato> it uses GTK

<Jucato> (or GPE)

<jsgotangco> gpe uses gtk ;)

<Jucato> yeah.. corrected myself...

<mangz74> hahaha

<jsgotangco> no need ;)

<CuriousCat> nu ni nu ni nu

<jsgotangco> nu ni nu ni nu

<CuriousCat> now trying to installl netbsd

<CuriousCat> and it looks like it's working.

<jsgotangco> on the cf?

<jsgotangco> its probably more supported

<pusakat> i wanna keel someone

<pusakat> but e's in the US of A. :P

<jsgotangco> keel me! i am planning on switching to vista!

<CuriousCat> nope. er... on the RAM

<CuriousCat> jsgotangco: hehe... let me guess. abscbn requirement? :D

<jsgotangco> silly woman, flash it!

<jsgotangco> i switch to anything in exchange for monster hardware

<pusakat> jsgotangco, why should i?

<jsgotangco> because!

<CuriousCat> hmm. i think i now know what's the problem with the the linux install.

<CuriousCat> let me try this again.

<jsgotangco> how big is your cf

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<CuriousCat> 1gb

<jsgotangco> not bad

<jsgotangco> i have a 2GB micro sd

<jsgotangco> hehe

<CuriousCat> wait. i need to reboot. :D

<pusakat> wow, dami nilang pera for toys.

<jsgotangco> yung isa diyan, pa LPI LPI na lang big time IOSN guy

<jsgotangco> tsk tsk tsk

<pusakat> fun.

<pusakat> yung isa naman diyan, TINANGGIHAN yung RedHat Certification.

<jsgotangco> how come doc eloy doesn't asnwer my txt or emails

<pusakat> jsgotangco, ewan ko... he doesn't answer mine either. super busy with FOSS@Work ata ngayon.

<jsgotangco> well my boss *would* like to meet him

<pusakat> email his secretary?

<jsgotangco> wow i didnt even know he has a secetary

<pusakat> he has several

<pusakat> depends on what hat he's wearing

<jsgotangco> ohhhhh

<jsgotangco> matulis pala siya

<jsgotangco> "bush invites democrats to white house"

<jsgotangco> bwahaha

-butiki- +News from slashdot: A 5-Year Deal With Microsoft To Dump Novell/SUSE

<CuriousCat> back again

<mangz74> zakame:

<mangz74> zakame: u there?

*** Alter-Ego_ is now known as Alter-Ego

<jsgotangco> hmmm boso ako ni Jucato sa friendster

<jsgotangco> hehee

<Jucato> :)

<jsgotangco> hehe i sometimes appreciate friendster because it seems to have all my classmates in gradeshool and highschool

<mangz74> i honestly like friendster

<mangz74> :)

<mangz74> hehhe

<Jucato> I'm liking friendster more lately... I just hate the layouts that don't display properly, even on Firefox :P

* Jucato wonders why MySpace didn't catch on in the Philippines...

<mangz74> kita mo mga chicks from high school

<mangz74> na ngayon mga dabyana na

<mangz74> hahhaha

<mangz74> mga di mo maabot noon

<Jucato> mga elementary crushes... na mga nanay na ngayon...

<mangz74> yeah!

<mangz74> heheh

<mangz74> mga ex-gfs

<jsgotangco> Jucato: MILFable naman

<Jucato> hehehe

<jsgotangco> Jucato: tatanda ka din

<mangz74> lalaki rin tyan mo

<mangz74> LOL

<Jucato> kasing tanda ko naman sila.. pero wala pang anak... hehehe :)

<jsgotangco> wahaha

<Jucato> mangz74: malaki na po. hehehe

<mangz74> hahaha

<Jucato> kailangang magkasakit ng 1 week para lumiit...

<Jucato> um... kahit na pala nagkasakit hindi pa rin lumiit... :(

<jsgotangco> ive seen a number of my former classmates who became pretty after

<mangz74> konti lang siguro yun?

<jsgotangco> madami din

<mangz74> heheh

<mangz74> pero yun lang talaga gamit ko sa friendster

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> mangisyoso sa buhay nang ibang tao

<Jucato> ako gamit ko sa friendster... to keep in touch and to play with layouts hehehe

<mangz74> play with layouts?

<jsgotangco> layouts?

<Jucato> friendster-layouts, css stuff

<Jucato> profiles...

<jsgotangco> friendster is like the ugliest of all social networks and the slowest

<mangz74> pero andyan lahat ng pinoy...

<mangz74> hhehehe

<Jucato> worse than MySpace?

<mangz74> i am guessing pinoy na lang ata gumagamit nyan

<mangz74> LOL

<jsgotangco> yeah

<Jucato> hehe oo nga eh...

<jsgotangco> pinoy na lang bumubuhay sa friendster

<mangz74> myspace para sa mga us kiddies

<jsgotangco> they should have let themselves be bought by google bfore

<Jucato> kaya nga nagtataka ko bakit hindi nauso ang MySpace...

<Jucato> hm.. orkut?

<jsgotangco> orkut is ugly

<jsgotangco> its a brazilian place

<Jucato> Friendster na lang sana binili ng Google ...

<jsgotangco> hindi sila pumayag eh

<mangz74> we pinoys even created new terms from friendster

<mangz74> testi?

<jsgotangco> akala nila kaya nila malampasan ang google

<mangz74> penge testi!

<mangz74> orkut ang social networking ng google...

<jsgotangco> yeah

<mangz74> sumikat lang sa mga brazilians like friendster is to pinoys

<jsgotangco> but it got owned by brazilians

<jsgotangco> hehe

<Jucato> yeah, but I heard that it was a flop... like Yahoo!360?

<jsgotangco> not to brazilians

<jsgotangco> 360 is a social network?

<Jucato> Yahoo's

<mangz74> orkut no longer by google?

<Jucato> yeah I think so (last I checked)

<jsgotangco> mangz74: i meant it got overrun by brazilians

<jsgotangco> hehe

<mangz74> i thought a lot brazilians just used it

<mangz74> oh yeah

<Jucato> mangz74: I guess he meant something like "pawned" by brazillians

<mangz74> just like we did to friendster

<jsgotangco> yeah

<mangz74> hahahaha

<mangz74> ang msn meron din ata

<mangz74> i have an orkut account...sino gusto ng invite

<mangz74> lol

<Jucato> MSN Places

<Jucato> I have a Google account. that works too right? hehehe

<jsgotangco> hmm no

<jsgotangco> well it does

<jsgotangco> but orkut is invite only

<jsgotangco> yata

<jsgotangco> i have a anumber of friends in AU puro MSN places

<jsgotangco> because of MSN 7

<Jucato> good morning kuya dekoy!

<dekoy> morning

<jsgotangco> taena mo!

<Jucato> O_O

<dekoy> me tendinitis ako

<dekoy> hahahah

<mangz74> yeah orkut is invite only

<mangz74> i think i could invite

<mangz74> LOL

<dekoy> taena ka tae ka ng tae

<dekoy> sabi ng doctor ayusing ang pagtatype sa keyboard

<dekoy> no lifting for now

<jsgotangco> ano pagtataepe sa keyboard?

<dekoy> yaeh

<dekoy> bastos daw yon

<dekoy> tumatae sa keyboard

<dekoy> hahahaha

<mangz74> bakit napunta ang kwentohan sa tae

* mangz74 flushes

<dekoy> etong si jerome

<dekoy> na eexcite nanaman pag nakakakita ng tae

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> ano tawag don

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> wahahaha

<jsgotangco> kasi pagnakikita kita

<jsgotangco> naalala ko lagi tae

<jsgotangco> bwahaha

<dekoy> naalala mo tae

<jsgotangco> joke

<dekoy> hahahah

<dekoy> tae naka

<dekoy> hahah

<jsgotangco> ano gusto mo tae or p*k2

<dekoy> hrmm that's a hard decision

<dekoy> tigil ka na nacocorrupt natin mga bata dito

<dekoy> baka si Jucato mag hanap na ng tae yan

<dekoy> hahah

<mangz74> tulad ko

<jsgotangco> taena bakit ako na associate sa pinoy foss community na pang squatter...bakit hindi ako naging blue eagle....

<mangz74> bata pa ako

<Jucato> no thanks. kakatapos ko lang :P

<dekoy> blue eagle my ass

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> bwahaha

<mangz74> blue eagle

<mangz74> lol

<jsgotangco> baka nagkameron na ako ng MANA

<dekoy> nyahahah

<dekoy> sosi talaga ang fafa

<dekoy> asindero

<jsgotangco> asindero?

<jsgotangco> mag-aasin?

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> bagal mag copy sa samba

<jsgotangco> taena hindi na marunong magtagalog ang republican na to

<dekoy> sheesh

<dekoy> 3 gig lang eh 20 minutes syet

<dekoy> oyst nananalo kaming democrats

<dekoy> <-- farmer

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> sino majority nga pala /

<dekoy> alam na ba ?

<dekoy> let me check

<jsgotangco> democrats

<jsgotangco> both chambers

<dekoy> mwahahahahhaah i love this

<jsgotangco> pero gubernatorial, gop

<dekoy> president minority

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> oo

<jsgotangco> hehe

<pusakat> patay siya

<dekoy> dang natalo nga yung democrat na gov. dito samin

<dekoy> kainis

<mangz74> democrat majority both

<dekoy> alam mo lamang

<jsgotangco> "bush invites democrats in white house"

<mangz74> ops..late ako

<dekoy> less than 1000 ballots

<dekoy> sheesh

<dekoy> sabi nga for dinner

<dekoy> bush invites democrats for dinner

<jsgotangco> "bush sees compromise on issues with immigration, minorities, etc."

<mangz74> lalasunin ni bush mga democrats

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> sige pakainin ko kayo hah bati tayo

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> parang bata

<dekoy> hhahahaha

<mangz74> democrats mag-ingat kay bush

<jsgotangco> hehehe

<jsgotangco> ganun na nga

<mangz74> baka magka-food poisoning

<dekoy> hahhaa

<mangz74> lagyan ni rumsfeld ng lason ang pagkain

<dekoy> ano kaya mangyayari

<mangz74> masama ang loob nya ngayon

<dekoy> si rumsfeld nag resign

<dekoy> hahah

<dekoy> talaga nga naman

<mangz74> resign?

<dekoy> tinago na nya si rumsfeld

<mangz74> or fired?

<dekoy> yep

<mangz74> hahhaha

<mangz74> si cheney...

<mangz74> silent na

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> kasi pag nakaupo pa yon lagot sya lalo

<jsgotangco> wahaha

<mangz74> mga tarantado kasi

<jsgotangco> nakalimutan ng mga democrats yung kalokohan ni kerry

* mangz74 galit sa GOP

<mangz74> hehehehe

<dekoy> hehehe

<jsgotangco> both chambers are now run by asses

<dekoy> ang tanong

<jsgotangco> (donkeys)

<dekoy> tado

<dekoy> si hilary kaya magiging next president

<dekoy> hahha

<jsgotangco> di ba ass ang mascot ng democrat

<dekoy> nyeta

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> didn't know that

<dekoy> hehehehe

<jsgotangco> taena mo ass kasi para sa yo labasan ng tae

<dekoy> hahahah

<jsgotangco> taena naka log tayo

<jsgotangco> haha

<dekoy> Bush invites Democrats to White House, promises "new era of cooperation"

<dekoy> yep

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> damage control na si fafa

<jsgotangco> ehehe

<jsgotangco> tahimik na lang siya for his 2 years

<jsgotangco> nagsaya siguro china

<jsgotangco> tsaka north korea

<jsgotangco> nagpa fiesta si hugo chavez

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> "north korea launches missles in celebration of gop defat"

<dekoy> bwahahaha

<dekoy> tado

<dekoy> "We can work together over the next two years," the president said.

<dekoy> tignan mo tong tarantadong to

<dekoy> ngayon lang sya makikipag cooperate at mag work together

<dekoy> last two years nya

<dekoy> gago

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> hehehe

<jsgotangco> taena nakakahiya

<jsgotangco> hehe

<dekoy> hahahaha

<jsgotangco> lahat talo

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> lagot si gma next year

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> baka mapatulad siya

<dekoy> la nasyang backer ?

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> alam mo naman dito

<jsgotangco> wahaah

<dekoy> eheh gago tong nytimes kahapon sa score nila lamang republican

<dekoy> diba sabi ko sayo 51-49 bilang nila

<dekoy> ngayon nawala

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> ngayon laman gna democrat

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> ano yung kanta diyan

<jsgotangco> "we shall prevail"

<jsgotangco> wehahaha

<dekoy> hehe i dunno

<dekoy> tanong mo si mangz

<dekoy> alam ni mangz yan puti yan eh

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> si puti?

<mangz74> ako puti

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> alagang alaga namin si puti

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> tangna tung kausap ko telepono...

<mangz74> password reset lang ang tagal

<jsgotangco> ow?

<jsgotangco> murahin mo!

<mangz74> lan admin pa naman daw sya

<jsgotangco> patunayan mo na uragon ka!

<dekoy> hhahah

<mangz74> tatlo sila nagre-reset ng password

<mangz74> dyos ko

<dekoy> haha

<mangz74> password reset lang

<dekoy> anoyan security

<dekoy> kailngan tatlong tao sabay sabay mag rereset

<dekoy> parang nuclear ba

<dekoy> me key silang tatlo

<dekoy> hahah

<mangz74> hindi

<mangz74> boba yung may-ari ng password

<mangz74> doctor pa naman

<dekoy> to naman don't be harsh sa doctor

<dekoy> matatalino yan

<dekoy> di lang sa computer

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> that;s how it goes

<mangz74> may dalawa ng lan admin nag-aasist

<dekoy> pag linya nila tayo bobo

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> ihing-ihi na ako

<dekoy> dude just imaging me doing support for 50 old nurses

<mangz74> dyos ko

<mangz74> dami ako nyan dito

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> ok pa yung nurses kay educado

<dekoy> hehe oh my goodness

<mangz74> imagine mo yung mga SA

<jsgotangco> siguro mga hot nurses lang pinipili mo

<dekoy> ls

<mangz74> lalo ng yung mga itim..dyos ko hirap turuan

<dekoy> sandali

<dekoy> brb ako

<dekoy> 93 percent nayung db namin

<dekoy> haha

<dekoy> mauubusan na ng space

<mangz74> hirap intidihin parang palaging nara-rap

<mangz74> hahahah

<Alter-Ego> Jucato: i think so

<mangz74> hay salamat natapus di

<mangz74> jingle na ako!

<Jucato> Alter-Ego: huh?

<Jucato> ah

<dekoy> hahah

<dekoy> uyy privy sila

<Alter-Ego> mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe

<Jucato> dekoy: hindi po. nagtanong sa #kubuntu...

<dekoy> hahaha

<dekoy> defensive

<dekoy> hehehehe

<Jucato> mx.? "deb http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe"?

<Alter-Ego> y

<mangz74> ok ok i am back

<Jucato> just checking if that's the line that's enabled

<dekoy> tapos kana tumae

<dekoy> ?

<dekoy> hahaha

<Alter-Ego> y

* mangz74 feels better after jingling

<mangz74> umihi lang

<mangz74> hahaha

* Alter-Ego moves to kubuntu

<Jucato> Alter-Ego: because that's the line you need to be enabled to install wine

<dekoy> heheh

<dekoy> kubuntu good

<Alter-Ego> it's enabled

<mangz74> alter-ego:convert ka sa kde?

<Jucato> ayan, 6th user :P

<mangz74> i mean Konvert pala

* Jucato moves back to #kubuntu

<mangz74> hahahaha

<dekoy> pusakat

<dekoy> natutulog kana ?

<mangz74> hanep ah...jucato recruiter ng kde

<dekoy> hahaha

<Jucato> hindi ha? nadidiscover ko lang hehehe

<dekoy> sabi ni jucato just wait till kde 4 is out

<dekoy> with plasma and sheeet

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> fuck who needs that

<mangz74> alyasan na si jucato = konverter

<mangz74> LOL

<dekoy> hahah

<dekoy> jukato the konverter

<dekoy> haha

<Alter-Ego> plasma and sheet ?

<mangz74> hahaha

* Jucato goes to silent mode

<dekoy> shit = sheeet (long e)

<dekoy> hehe

<Alter-Ego> :-p

<jsgotangco> im not going to use it until its a11y compliant

<dekoy> hahha

<Alter-Ego> a11y compliant ?

<Alter-Ego> btw, kubuntu rocks

<Jucato> a11y = accessibility, iirc

<dekoy> accessability for lola and lola yusers ?

<mangz74> alter-ego:bumabato ba? :P

<mangz74> hehehe

<Jucato> :P

<jsgotangco> dekoy: fuck you

<mangz74> making sure accessible kay ...

<Jucato> O_o

<jsgotangco> dekoy: tatanda ka din

<mangz74> para sa lahat!

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> pagtanda ni dekoy...ang mga computer implanted na sa utak ng mga tao

<mangz74> di na kailangan nang accessiblity

<jsgotangco> sabagay

<jsgotangco> gusto ko ng zoom lens sa mata

<mangz74> hahaha

<jsgotangco> optical zoom ha

<butiki> News from slashdot: Slashdot Posting Bug Infuriates Haggard Admins || Zune Profits Go To Record Label

* Jucato needs a brain that runs Linux... no need to reboot... less downtime...

<mangz74> dekoy: dito ka tatanda? sama tayo ng nursing home

<dekoy> hehe

<mangz74> hahahah

<mangz74> mangapang tayo

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> dude im gonna retire sa pinas

<dekoy> im not gonna stay here

<jsgotangco> dekoy: sa pampanga

<dekoy> it's nice clean but i love the philippines

<jsgotangco> or sa subic

<mangz74> magapang tayo ng LILF

<dekoy> hehe :)

<Jucato> not going to stay in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

<mangz74> LOLA is a LF

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> heylll no

<jsgotangco> land of the free

<jsgotangco> hahaha

<jsgotangco> what a joke

<mangz74> no...kami uuwi rin...nag invest na nga kami ng titirhan sa cebu

<dekoy> dude I don't like how they treat the elderly here

<dekoy> sheesh

<mangz74> naghahanda na kami

<mangz74> yeah ...kawawa mga lola at lolo dito

<mangz74> parang bale wala

<jsgotangco> let's move to puerto rico

<mangz74> hmm

<mangz74> pangit doon...sa pinas na lang ako

<mangz74> live rich

<jsgotangco> taena who cares madaming maganda dun

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> let's not talk about getting old

<dekoy> i hate this subject

<dekoy> :)

<dekoy> stresses me out hehehe

<mangz74> takoy ka tumanda

<jsgotangco> hahhaa

<jsgotangco> takot amp

<dekoy> true yeah

<dekoy> di tumanda

<jsgotangco> makakalbo ka din

<dekoy> takot akong maging useless

<dekoy> scary

<jsgotangco> at one day kailangan mo na ng viagra

<dekoy> ayaw kong pabigat kahit kanino

<dekoy> hehehe

<zakame> back

<dekoy> that's why uuwi akong pinas

<dekoy> babayad akong nurse

<dekoy> or whoever

<jsgotangco> dekoy: hayaan mo, sagot ko wheel chair mo

<dekoy> na pwedeng mag alaga samin

<dekoy> di ako pabigat

<dekoy> hehe

<dekoy> but erase erase

<jsgotangco> tanda tanda

<dekoy> pagusapan nalang natin ang fetish ni gotangco sa tae

<dekoy> hahahah

<jsgotangco> dekoy: makinig ka na lang ng FM radio pag sunday morning sa pinas

<mangz74> mag hi-hire ka ng nurse?

<mangz74> yung hot at bata

<mangz74> hmm

<dekoy> hehe yeah

* mangz74 thinking of bad thoughts

<dekoy> hehe

<zakame> no, chirstmas thoughts

* mangz74 thinks dekoy is also thinking of bad thoughts

<jsgotangco> haha umalis

<mangz74> hehehe

<Jucato> hehe :)

<dekoy> idiot

<dekoy> shift + backspace

<dekoy> forgot to do an xmodmap

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> nong katrina hurricane...may mga matatanda iniwan na lang nila mamatay

<dekoy> nag reset tuloy xgl ko

<mangz74> too bad

<jsgotangco> sus

<jsgotangco> nag dahilan

<jsgotangco> gusto mo lang mwala sa screen yung mga tanda tanda talk

<zakame> wb dekoy

<zakame> bye dektulog

<mangz74> hahaha

<mangz74> hahaha

<dekoy> ahhaha

<dekoy> reboot

<jsgotangco> i found this

<jsgotangco> http://www.gnrfan.org/hackergotchi/

<dekoy> hanu yan

<dekoy> ?

<zakame> hmm mostly debian folks

<zakame> yours too

<jsgotangco> hehe yeah

<jsgotangco> i didnt know he made one for me

<Jucato> litaw agad picture ni kuya jerome :P

<zakame> jaldhar, mako, ian, qium

<zakame> *quim

<jsgotangco> nakita lang ng ka office mate ko when he googled me up

<zakame> jdub's there with the beard right

<Jucato> riddell's there too....

<Alter-Ego> i was thinking about the electricity discussion the other day. i can make my own generator, and feed the excess back into the line here and the utility company pays me for it

<jsgotangco> ian murdock

<zakame> yeah Riddell too

<jsgotangco> oh pati si danilo

<jsgotangco> heh si dilinger pala yung naka cap

<zakame> yeah

<jsgotangco> i will use this :)

<dekoy> haha

<Jucato> good night po sa lahat

<jsgotangco> jeezz im so identified with foss already

<mangz74> nite jucato!

<zakame> you're so pwned

<mangz74> lol

<pusakat> jsgotangco, poster boy ka kasi natin eh.

<dekoy> taenang NT guy to

<dekoy> FOSS na

<dekoy> hahah

<zakame> hehe

<dekoy> basta pag sikat ka na

<dekoy> wag mo kami kakalimutan

<dekoy> pag kinunan ka ng ABS ng video kaway ka ah

<dekoy> hahaha

<mangz74> hahah

<dekoy> heheh

<mangz74> jsg: hingi na autograph pag uwi ko dyan ha

<mangz74> :P

<jsgotangco> dekoy: para sayo to

<jsgotangco> dekoy: http://yaplog.jp/cat1cat2cat3/archive/33

<zakame> jsgotangco: a cat is fine too

<zakame> FWIW we here at the office have been overtaken with cat pics from the chans since yesterday

<jsgotangco> i cannot say the same thing with pictures of a cat's private part

<zakame> jsgotangco: http://chaos.oc.to/SON/

<jsgotangco> err cat dvd?

<butiki> News from slashdot: Charity Shuns Open Source Code

<jsgotangco> http://chaos.oc.to/SON/products/NYAN-011.html

<jsgotangco> taena huli na ang slashdot

<jsgotangco> that's like last night's bbc news

<zakame> jsgotangco: yes, that's the mark

<jsgotangco> cat pr0n hahaha

<zakame> folks here couldn't belive it

<jsgotangco> http://chaos.oc.to/SON/products/NYAN-013.html

<jsgotangco> cat obesity

<jsgotangco> ehhe

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> http://chaos.oc.to/SON/products/NYAN-018.html

<jsgotangco> cat fingering

<dekoy> talagang kung ano ano naiisip ng batang to

<dekoy> tanda mo na di ka parin nag babago

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> taenang cat pr0n to

<zakame> weird crap since 1952

<dekoy> mmauleon@cygnus:/home/emc/medusa-server/medusa_backup$ uptime

<dekoy> 10:52:42 up 125 days, 3:23, 2 users, load average: 26.50, 22.06, 13.37

<dekoy> taenang server to taas ng load average

<dekoy> hahah

<dekoy> ano kaya problem nito

<pusakat> wala nang debate!?

<zakame> running make -j 100?

<dekoy> hehe

<jsgotangco> debate?

<jsgotangco> bate na lang

<dekoy> nag scp lang ako

<dekoy> it;s dumb

<dekoy> something is wrog

<jsgotangco> taena bakit ganun yung load

<jsgotangco> hehe

<jsgotangco> 26.50

<jsgotangco> wahah

<dekoy> 27926 mmauleon 18 0 2328 2264 1780 R 53.7 0.3 4:34.53 sshd

<pusakat> jsgotangco, nasa kabilang stasyon ka lang, ganyan kana

<dekoy> ssh is eating 53 percent of CPU

<dekoy> sheesh

<jsgotangco> pusakat: ganun

<dekoy> something hardware related to

<dekoy> haha

<jsgotangco> pusakat: ay thursday nga pala

* jsgotangco rarely watch late night tv

<zakame> naah just needs more intarwebs

<dekoy> hanu kaya problem nito

<dekoy> hahaha

<jsgotangco> dekoy: start->shutdown->reboot

<jsgotangco> dekoy: psstt

<jsgotangco> dekoy: psstt psstt

<dekoy> tsndali

<dekoy> ni titignan ko kung anong problem

<jsgotangco> dekoy: naalala mo yung ginagawa natin sa mga demo cd sa mga mall noon<