<bruenig> is there something like the system monitor in gnome?

<irvin> it there a bittorrent client in the default install?

<irvin> bruenig, afaik there is a cpu graph which you can add to your panel

<Qew> bruenig: well, there is System>Xfce Task Manager... but if you want something a bit more interesting, install htop. It's a consol based task manager, but it's quite user-friendly yet powerful. If you want a graph, you could use gkrellm.

<Qew> irvin: not on Dapper there isn't. You'll have to install bittorrent separately.

<Qew> don't know on Edgy

<Qew> easy enough to install through apt-get or synaptics

<irvin> Qew, k, thanks. i'll just install rtorrent

<bruenig> Qew, htop is really nice, thanks

<irvin> bruenig, i like conky better than gkrellm

<Qew> yeah, I only discovered it recently

<bruenig> it only gives mem %, is there anyway to get mem usage for each process?

<Qew> it's to your left: virt and res

<Qew> if not, type F2 and customise

<bruenig> ah, my ignorance here. I figure virt is virtual res? Oh and what are the units KB?

<Qew> KB, but they do show up as MB when it gets above 100MB

<Qew> memory resident and there's also memory shared

<bruenig> where is the trash in the filesystem, in ubuntu it was ~/.Trash

<Qew> to be honest, I've only just migrated from Mandriva to Xubuntu last week. In Mandriva, it would have been ~/Desktop/.trash, but I don't know its whereabouts in Ubuntu/Xubuntu is. It's not something I use, anyway.

<bruenig> so anyone know where the trash is located?

<ZeN> hey all

<bruenig> hey ZeN, you wouldn't by any chance know where the trash is in xubuntu would you?

<ZeN> no, sorry, I'm an ubuntu newbie.

<T`2> hi guys.. anyone know if update-manager is working now?

<irvin> T`2, from the announcement, better use dist-upgrade

<T`2> irvin, why dont they put that up on the site

<irvin> they did

<irvin> www.xubuntu.org/get

*** dsl588 is now known as badger

<T`2> hmm.. no mirrors for xubuntu?

<T`2> weird.. kubuntu is on most mirrors of ubuntu but no xubuntu

<T`2> isn't xubuntu part of official ubuntu too?

<mike-e> does the new release of xubuntu start out as a livecd when you go to install it?

<irvin> mike-e, there are two cd's actually, the live cd and the alternate cd

<mike-e> can you install the full distro from the live cd?

<irvin> mike-e, yes you can

<mike-e> excellent

<Qew> yes, there's an icon called "Install" on the desktop of the Live CD

<mike-e> thanks.

<Qew> click that and you're ready to go

<mike-e> is it relatively stable? the last release seemed a bit flakey

<Qew> well, I haven't installed Edgy, so I'll pass

<Qew> Dapper has been fine for me, but I suppose different hardware can bring different issues

<irvin> dapper works fine with me too

<mike-e> i can't seem to find the livecd iso

<Jester45> i installed edgy via live cd and i think it is a little faster than the drapper one

<mike-e> oh the desktop cd is the live cd

<Qew> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/

<Jester45> !edgy

<ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)

<Qew> yes, mike-e

<mike-e> who thinks of these arbitrary names

<mike-e> hehe

<Jester45> i think the worse is alternative

<Qew> heh

<Jester45> is texted base

<Jester45> friend dled it and was like WTF is this i dont understand

<mike-e> well the only reason i wanted a live cd is because i want to be able to browse the web/irc/manage other boxes while it installed

<Jester45> i told him its the same but doesnt waste time loading X and other things you dont need for installing

<mike-e> i'm antsy to get ahold of xfce4.4

<Qew> well, it's not worse, it'll be a godsend for many who can't get the desktop one to install on their systems.

<mike-e> looks fun.

<irvin> Jester45, i prefer the alternate cd because of old hardware

<mike-e> text based as in..hoary hedgehog etc?

<Jester45> i downgraded to drapper

<Jester45> i think

<Jester45> has the same questions as live

<mike-e> i fail to see how using a verbose installation has anything to do with hardware detection

<Jester45> and even has windowish things

<Jester45> diffrent colored boxes and stuff

<mike-e> eh?

<Qew> The alternative ISO is larger than the desktop, so has something more in it than just a text based installer.

<irvin> Qew, indeed.

<irvin> it includes an ltsp setup

<mike-e> i see

<mike-e> i tried slack 11 after not using it for nearly a decade..debian's pissing me off a lot lately. I see slack hasn't changed their conservative KISS ways

<Jester45> i like kiss

<Jester45> its simple

<bruenig> how do you take a screenshot?

<mike-e> if you liked to 'keep it simple' you'd be hand configuring everything

<Jester45> who said i dont

<mike-e> i'd throw a stone in the water and bet you don't.

<Jester45> im not sure

<mike-e> bruenig : i think theres a built in snapshot app, if not open a terminal and apt-cache search screenshot

<mike-e> install the appropriate application

<phanki> bruenig: check for the panel plugin

<bruenig> hmmm, don't know why you would throw a rock in the water

<Jester45> im allergic to water

<bruenig> phanki, thank you

<phanki> hi btw

<mike-e> ungreatful little twat

<Jester45> doctors orders to drink only soda

<mike-e> i'm drinking johnny walker gold on the rocks

<mike-e> doctors order as well.

<Jester45> good 'o' doctors

<mike-e> brb whilst i throw this iso on the fire

<Loko_por_Cafe> hi all.

<Jester45> mike-e: do wouldnt want to write a script for me to map my keycodes

<Jester45> hi

<Loko_por_Cafe> hello Jester45

<Jester45> you *

<Jester45> how has your day been Loko_por_Cafe

<phanki> loco por cafe *g*

<Loko_por_Cafe> Jester45 the xubuntu have all packages based on ubuntu, now 6.10 release?

<fo0b4er> hi, can anyone tell me how to get a trash, root, and home icon on my desktop in edgy?

<Jester45> no

<Loko_por_Cafe> phanki what is "*g*" ??

<Loko_por_Cafe> no /

<Jester45> not all the same packages

<Loko_por_Cafe> base system?

<phanki> Loko_por_Cafe: grins

* Jester45 grins

* mike-e cackles with insane glee!

<Loko_por_Cafe> :P

* Jester45 thinks Loko_por_Cafe must feel left out

<Loko_por_Cafe> no no..

<fo0b4er> this doesn't have much to do with xubuntu does it...

<mike-e> i like nerolinux, too bad they're capitalizing on it!

<Jester45> Loko_por_Cafe: if xubuntu's livecd had same packages as ubuntu's livecd then they would be the same cds

<Jester45> fu foober

<Loko_por_Cafe> clearly..

<Jester45> !windows

<ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents

<phanki> listens to: Jimi Hendrix - Angel - First Rays Of The New Rising Sun (1997) @ audacious

<Loko_por_Cafe> rs

<Jester45> so funny

<Loko_por_Cafe> Jester45 the apt-get on xubuntu, 100% compatible with universe packages?

* Jester45 listens to red hot chilli peppers - tell me baby - 2006 - from frostwire

<Jester45> Loko_por_Cafe: xubuntu uses the same repos as ubuntu

<MattJ> There is a screenshot panel plugin, right-click on panel->Add item... Select 'Take Screenshot'

<Loko_por_Cafe> good

<Jester45> Loko_por_Cafe: so they are the same

<Jester45> MattJ: yes there is

<Loko_por_Cafe> thank you... good day

<Jester45> how here prefers apt-get over synaptic

<Jester45> who*

<phanki> <-- sometimes ;)

<Jester45> only thing i use from synaptic is adding repos

<phanki> onlz if i'm looking for something new

<Jester45> thats what apt-cache is for

<phanki> i know

<Jester45> o

<phanki> but sometimes description and suggestions are helpful, imo

<Jester45> and if i do a fresh install i use synaptic to find installd packes that are useless

<phanki> anyway ;)

<Jester45> phanki when you apt-get it tells you sugestions

<Jester45> and optional

<phanki> u mean aptitude ?

<Jester45> dance dance we are falling apart at half time

<Jester45> guess that song

<Jester45> no apt-get install shows suggestions

<phanki> billy idol

<phanki> lol

<Jester45> fall out boys - dance dance

<phanki> brb

<Jester45> new 65 sub is kicking

<Jester45> 65 watt

<Jester45> lol

<phanki> op!!!

<Jester45> nice name

<anal_h4xx0r> thx hehe

<phanki> just another m.f.

<Jester45> i like it]

<anal_h4xx0r> worked hard on it

<Jester45> when i first looked i only seen the haxxer so i was think wow he a noob but then i seen anal and i was like wow hes a gay noob

<Jester45> :)

<anal_h4xx0r> you know, it's just such a great combo

<Jester45> jk what ever you want just dont incude me

<Jester45> new song

<Jester45> hate! is a strong word but i really dont like you

*** anal_h4xx0r is now known as hFrench

<hFrench> so are u guys all running 6.10 yet?

<Jester45> not me

<Jester45> i tried it and didnt like it

<Jester45> downgraded back to drapper

<hFrench> i like the new boot up

<hFrench> fucked up my wireless though

<Jester45> i like the progess bar but not picuter

<Jester45> sitfucked up my wired

<hFrench> i used to like actually seeing what was going ont

<phanki> still some buggs, but it doenßt surprise

<hFrench> in the booting

<Jester45> kinda hard to mess up ethernet

<phanki> *me

<hFrench> yea well its still rly young

<Jester45> i liked the boot texted to

<delaney> question : if i compile gaim 2.0 beta 4 is there a way to have it NOT keep trying to upgrade gaim when i dist-upgrade. as it is now it keeps reverting me to beta 3

<hFrench> delaney: i dont think so

<Jester45> remove xubuntus gaim

<Jester45> then compile beta 4

<delaney> Jester45, that easy huh?

<hFrench> thats annoying and long though

<Jester45> yes

<delaney> rad.

<Jester45> you need the dependices

<crimsun> ...or you can stop being silly and just wait for it to appear in edgy-backports once feisty opens.

<Jester45> and the time depends on your processor

<hFrench> so do you run xfce for effiency or design?

<Jester45> or that

<Jester45> it is only +1 beta

<delaney> ive already got the deb made and ready

<Jester45> me, effiency

<hFrench> yea me too

<hFrench> on school laptop

<Jester45> but i dont need the effiency

<crimsun> I run Windows.

<Jester45> why

<hFrench> not cool :-

<hFrench> 9

<hFrench> just wondering

<Jester45> its ok if you have to

<Jester45> and take care of it

<crimsun> it's not so much about what you run as it is having the Freedom to run what you want

<hFrench> ...

<Jester45> half your time fixing things deleting things

<crimsun> I'm a Xubuntu dev. I know.

<hFrench> nice

<phanki> rotfl

<hFrench> ?

<Jester45> im lost

<hFrench> ha, same here

<Jester45> crimsun why did the devs tak out the text during boot

<hFrench> do you guys use bitchx?

<hFrench> yea true

<Jester45> take*

<crimsun> Jester45: because it adds nothing for average users

<hFrench> it was better

<hFrench> it's nice though

<Jester45> i think im adverage but i like knowing whats going on

<crimsun> if you really want the status, remove 'quiet' from the kernel command line.

<hFrench> how?

<Jester45> well i downgraded to drapper

<crimsun> change /boot/grub/menu.lst, then update-grub

<phanki> just a choice of taste

<Jester45> didnt like edgy to much

<hFrench> cool thanks

<phanki> listens to: Jimi Hendrix - Ezy Ryder - First Rays Of The New Rising Sun (1997) @ audacious

<Jester45> phanki: likes old rock

* Jester45 likes new stuff

<hFrench> poser

<Jester45> from before 90's

<Jester45> mostly

<Jester45> crimsun do you know where teh config for keycodes are

<Jester45> the*

<crimsun> which ones?

<Jester45> umm

<Jester45> to add some

<crimsun> there are console ones, and there are X Window ones

<Jester45> so when i press the button it runs a command

<Jester45> X

<crimsun> as in a multimedia key?

<mike-e> this is looking good

<phanki> Jester45: http://www.last.fm/user/phanki

<Jester45> yes

<crimsun> read the documentation in the hotkey-setup package

<phanki> spamming

<Jester45> spamming?

<crimsun> there's a Xubuntu last.fm group, btw

<hFrench> cool where

<hFrench> last.fm/user/humpmasterH btw

<crimsun> http://www.last.fm/group/Xubuntu

<Jester45> i was going to guess that

<hFrench> he me too

<crimsun> ->dinner

<Jester45> the url of that site isnt that complex

<phanki> bbl

<hFrench> hmm i just dropped a bottle of water on my router

<hFrench> i'm interested to see what happens now

<Jester45> lol

<hFrench> boot screen tip works btw

<Jester45> mine has a fan on it

<hFrench> ha mine rly sucks

<hFrench> i got in from my ispp

<Jester45> guessing dsl?

<hFrench> yep

<Jester45> the only dsl i would get is sdsl

<hFrench> i wanna hook up my p2 running linux to it, but i dont see a point

<Jester45> same up/down

<Jester45> umm

<Jester45> lots

<Jester45> make a website

<dwmcqueen> So - is there a page with what needs to be done to get the system back if you do a update-manager upgrade?

<Jester45> play quake

<hFrench> yea, i have a server already

<Jester45> download torrents

<hFrench> i run dopewars :)

<hFrench> we hid a server in my school, its so xcore

<boris55> ehere is it?

<hFrench> in the yearbook room, under boxes

<hFrench> they all gave us laptops and blocked out coming ports

<Jester45> dwmcqueen: i dont know that you have to

<hFrench> so we hooked up this p3

<hFrench> and we're running bzflag irc and dopewars

<dwmcqueen> Web pages says there are problems

<mike-e> dopewars ftw

<hFrench> its the reason i'm failing physics

<hFrench> ftw?

<mike-e> for the win!

<hFrench> oh right

<hFrench> ha

<mike-e> i played dopewars on my TI 83 graphing calc in highschool for pretty much my entire highschool career

<Jester45> my school has wireless internet 18mb/s

<Jester45> lappy loves it :)

<hFrench> whats ur gigh score

<hFrench> ArE U SERIOUS

<hFrench> wow

<hFrench> we run on like a home dsl :)

<hFrench> our sysop is a fucking noob

<mike-e> american schools?

<Jester45> mine is

<hFrench> canada

<mike-e> grade school or college?

<mike-e> ah

<hFrench> grade

<Jester45> im highschool

<hFrench> me too

<hFrench> its our first year

<hFrench> with laptops

<Jester45> 10th grade?

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> wow

<hFrench> 11th

<Jester45> im 10th

<mike-e> I administrated a highschool for a few years, good times

<mike-e> the same highschool I went to as a matter of fact.

<hFrench> do u guys hv laptops

<Jester45> i was think first year 9thgrade

<hFrench> are you serious mike-e

<mike-e> yep

<hFrench> our sys op graduated form the same highscool 5 yrs ago

<hFrench> he uses IIS

<Jester45> haha

<hFrench> lol

<mike-e> designed the infrastructure for the new additions at my highschool as senior

<hFrench> he has all those posts on google groups like "win2000 sp4 pwns!!!!!!"

<mike-e> haha

<Jester45> i made a school computer my proxy :)

<hFrench> my days pretty much consist of finding ways to kill the network

<mike-e> most school districts are chocked full of pseudo-intellectual tech coordinators

<hFrench> hahah

<hFrench> i brute forced the router and blocked port 80

<hFrench> it was so much fun

<Jester45> lol

<mike-e> what was it, a linksys? =P

<hFrench> YES

<mike-e> haha

<hFrench> it actually was

<mike-e> login blank password was admin!

<Jester45> i got damnsmalllinux on 5 computers

<Jester45> before they got me

<Jester45> lol

<hFrench> my sysop locked the bios

<mike-e> bios?

<hFrench> then gave us boot from cd

<hFrench> so we cleared it and relocked it

<hFrench> yea

<mike-e> ah on your workstations/>

<hFrench> laptops

<mike-e> do they run some lame shit like fortress?

<hFrench> everytime we walk by him we're like "Someone here locks the bios"

<hFrench> yea same kind

<hFrench> they blocked printing from non xp computers, which is lame

<Jester45> does your sysadmin have lots of pimpels

<mike-e> before I got hired at my highschool, they kept their MDF door opened for like a week straight, one day on passing period I walked into it and started pulling all the patch cables out of the DMZ

<hFrench> he has hair down to his shoulders

<Jester45> hFrench: just unplug the printer and direct link them to your machine

<mike-e> God what i would give to be 16 again

<hFrench> oh yea

<hFrench> mike-e: no you wouldnt

<hFrench> trust me

<hFrench> http://hotornot.com/s/stgeorges

<mike-e> no, trust me. I'm almost a decade older than you =P

<hFrench> sys op is #6

<hFrench> i dont knwo, school makes me pretty emo

<mike-e> rofl

<Jester45> lol

<mike-e> that's the most brokeback thing i've ever heard

<Jester45> emo is gay

<hFrench> agreed, but lets not move into the whole we hate emo discussion

<hFrench> its on 1 out of 2 irc channels

<hFrench> "fuck them and their <3"

<hFrench> rofl

<Jester45> its so true

<Jester45> how many people are in your school

<hFrench> i'd say 600

<mike-e> jesus

<Jester45> lucky

<hFrench> small, its only my second year

<mike-e> I had 1200 people in my class alone

<hFrench> but in quebec, 11th is final yr

<Jester45> my school is at 1700

<hFrench> fuck

<hFrench> where are you @?

<Jester45> mike-e: you from city?

<hFrench> city

<mike-e> yeah chiago

<mike-e> chicago

<Jester45> see

<hFrench> nice

<mike-e> 2 campuses though

<hFrench> jester?

<Jester45> im ST louis

<mike-e> go tigers~!

<Jester45> GO CARDS

<hFrench> me montreal

<Jester45> fuck you

<mike-e> lol

<Jester45> we winning right now

<Jester45> det-2 STL-3 bottom of the 5th

<hFrench> ah sports

<hFrench> n00bz

<hFrench> yea so i joined group on last fm

<Jester45> Cards going to win bitches

<hFrench> its lam

<hFrench> e

<hFrench> theres like 5 users

<Jester45> shut up emo

<Jester45> everything is lame to you

<mike-e> haha

<mike-e> back off, he's canadian. he has every right to be emotional.

<Jester45> lol

<hFrench> he i'm from france

<hFrench> i'm an immigrant :O

<mike-e> i wouldn't admit that in public

<Jester45> new? or born in canananananada

<hFrench> moved last yr

<hFrench> used to live in carribean, before that paris

<Jester45> hate all the a's

<Jester45> hate teh snow yet?

<hFrench> it wasnt too bad

<hFrench> last winter

<hFrench> i like skiing, so its better

<Jester45> then...sufing?

<Jester45> surfing

<hFrench> yea but the conditions here arent....optimal for surfing

<hFrench> so firefox 2.0 wtf?!

<Jester45> only thing that Canada has is no internet pirateing laws

<hFrench> it uses so much fucking memory

<Jester45> what about it

<Jester45> there is a memory leak

<hFrench> it uses too much memory

<hFrench> is therE?

<hFrench> interesting

<Jester45> there is a workaround at digg

<phanki> hFrench: mb u like opera

<hFrench> NO

<hFrench> NO

<hFrench> NO

<Jester45> or dillo :)

<Jester45> !dillo

<ubotu> dillo: Small and fast web browser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.5-4ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 339 kB, installed size 928 kB

<hFrench> swiftfox atw

<hFrench> or lynx

<Jester45> im on 2gb ram so i dont care

<phanki> lol

<hFrench> i'm a minimalist for the sake of it

<hFrench> i hv 1 gb

<Jester45> azureus is a bitch tho

<hFrench> i wine utorrent.exe

<Jester45> lol

<mike-e> bittornado is divine

<hFrench> its such a noob thing to do

<Jester45> yes but i dont like wine to much

<hFrench> EW

<Jester45> they need less bugs

<phanki> mike-e: agree

<hFrench> bittornado rofl

<hFrench> azureus is bloated

<mike-e> you young studs need to learn the beauty of console based torrenting

<Jester45> azureus is useing 726mb ram

<hFrench> yea but its so slow

* Jester45 hates cli torrenting

<phanki> no java stuff

<hFrench> dopewars -t

<irvin> cli torrenting rocks

<Jester45> i coujld load like 300 utorrents

<mike-e> install bittornado, do screen -S torrents btlaunchmanycurses ~/somedirectory , drag your torrents there and let them rip

<hFrench> lynxing asciipr0n.com is so leet

<mike-e> cli torrenting is for the grown and sexy, we wouldn't expect you two to catch on for a few years..your balls have to drop from your abdomen first.

* mike-e sips his scotch

<phanki> rotfl

<Jester45> mike-e: cli torrenting is so gay

<mike-e> depending on a gui is emo.

<hFrench> if u get in terminal mode

<hFrench> dillo is nice thanks for the tip

<Jester45> np

<hFrench> its a clear sign of emo homosexuality

<Jester45> hFrench: you love gui dont you

<hFrench> not rly

<hFrench> depends

<hFrench> on laptop i dont use one

<Jester45> i dont depend on it i like it but try to watch a movie in cli only

<hFrench> on desktop i run xfce

<phanki> gui or not, what the heck

<Jester45> whats lappy specs

<mike-e> seriously, install bittornado and do a man btlaunchmanycurses, make a little bash script that moderates your up/down stream for the torrenting and just drop the files in said directory. thank me later.

<hFrench> but on lappy i only have server edition install

<phanki> having 1gb or more memory

<hFrench> 1 gb ram 2.?? ghz dual core 60 gb hdd

<hFrench> 2.4 i think

<irvin> mike-e, stop revealing the secrets of the universe :)

<Jester45> mike-e: get 10mb/s+ and no need for limiting speeds

<mike-e> i have 20mb down and 768 up

* mike-e hugs his comcast

<hFrench> i sort of need a gui to watch pr0n though

<hFrench> asciipr0n gets borin

<Jester45> mike-e: do you use private trackers

<mike-e> that's fine, but using some bloated app like azerus is saturating your much valuable jerking-off-to-porn resources

<hFrench> hope not

<mike-e> Jester45 : yes

<hFrench> agreed

<Jester45> mike-e: how can you stand waiting for 768 to upload

<hFrench> i have a separate comp for pr0n

<mike-e> i don't care about the upload, i care about the download

<hFrench> do u cheat ur ratio?

<Jester45> hFrench: wow dedicated

<hFrench> yep

<mike-e> no? i let the torrents seed as long as i find necessary

<hFrench> apple cube

<Jester45> 16mb up/down

<Jester45> kicks

<hFrench> ii got banned off oink

<Jester45> lol

<hFrench> they found my ratio jump to 23 suspicious

<hFrench> it used to be at 0.4

<Jester45> lol

<mike-e> where do you get 16mb up and down?

<Jester45> i do that

<Jester45> SDSL

<mike-e> sdsl isn't 16mb up and down

<Jester45> up/down is that same

<hFrench> could we hv more detaails on that

<hFrench> sdsl

<Jester45> sure

<mike-e> he's bullshitting.

<Jester45> give me a sec or 2 to find links

<hFrench> cool

<mike-e> http://www.centurytel.com/residential/internet_access/dsl.cfm

<mike-e> 16mb full duplex my ass.

<mike-e> someone raise the bullshit flag so i can slute it

<Jester45> how much overhead is on a 20mg line

<mike-e> not more than 1mb

<mike-e> and mine is 22mb burstable

<Jester45> cool

<mike-e> no isp in the world will give you more than 2mb up without a commercial contract

<mike-e> i work for a large isp

<hFrench> wtf i hv like 1 mb max

<Jester45> mike-e: who

<mike-e> broadwing

<Jester45> mike-e: cable isps have low upload

<mike-e> do I need to school you?

<hFrench> ha this is getting fun

<hFrench> what os would you go for a router box

<hFrench> a p2

<mike-e> openbsd

<PuMpErNiCkLe> QNX

<hFrench> m0n0wall?

<Jester45> m0n0

<Jester45> mike-e: school me please

<hFrench> yea i figured

<hFrench> its on

<Jester45> what QNX

<hFrench> u hv to pay for QNX bs

<Jester45> im confused in the abbrevations

<hFrench> bs bull shit

<hFrench> qnx - random oss

<hFrench> os

<mike-e> Cable providers in the US all come down to the same last mile of fiber, AT&T, the reason why they don't typically offer anything larger than a 768kbps upstream is because anything larger isn't a. necessary for your typical end user and b. financially feasible for a residential end user. their target market in the residential broadband area are general internet surfing cluebies

<Jester45> i knew bs

<Jester45> hv

<mike-e> that's also why cable providers offer their commercial packages at a phenominal rate

<Jester45> ok well im financially inclined

<hFrench> make sense

<mike-e> no, your mom and dad are.

<mike-e> you work at mcdonalds.

<Jester45> and i dont have cable

<Jester45> i dont work

<Jester45> im 15

<mike-e> show me a link to your isp that specifies your sdsl packages please.

<mike-e> I can't seem to find them.

<Jester45> why not

<phanki> i got 768 on dsl ^^

<mike-e> phanki: this clown is saying he's getting 16mb full duplex.

<mike-e> on sdsl.

<Jester45> sdsl is symmetrical right

<hFrench> you're symmetrical

<mike-e> install done i need to reboot, brb

<hFrench> have fun

<Jester45> hFrench: that didnt make much sense

<hFrench> yea, i was being random

<Jester45> http://www.centurytel.com/WholesaleServices/

<hFrench> btw how do you do that, select people's names

<hFrench> to send message

<Jester45> start the name like for you hf then press tab

<Jester45> me its jest tab

<hFrench> Jester45, cool

<hFrench> thx

<Jester45> if nothing happens look in the chat window there are 2 names withjest atth begining

<Jester45> im still looking for a link right to my srvice

<hFrench> do they hv it in canada?

<Jester45> what

<Jester45> centurytel?

<hFrench> yea

<Jester45> i dont think so

<hFrench> hmm k

<Jester45> go on the site and search

<Jester45> i dont like the site not much info

<hFrench> me too

<mike-e> Jester45 : a full duplex connection in the states by your typical clec costs about $1200, i doubt your parents pay that much for you to go download anime porn

<mike-e> you're probably getting like 16mb burstable with a decent upload

<mike-e> this xubuntu build feels cozey

<mike-e> =)

<Jester45> i tested it

<Jester45> from what i can tell its 16/16

<hFrench> ha anime porn

<hFrench> Jester45, screen shot

<mike-e> post a screenshot of your speed tests

<Jester45> really

<Jester45> wtf

<Jester45> mike-e: post a screenie of yours to

<Jester45> aaa man

<Jester45> your a pain

<mike-e> no, i'm calling your bluff.

<Jester45> will bustable lines test at max or low or middle

<Jester45> your still a pain

<hFrench> its just a bit hard to believe, you have to understand us

<mike-e> well, flaring your nuts to someone who's educated in the industry caused this, so =P

<fo0b4er> Hi, I need some help here: when I run any OpenOffice.org app the title bar is messed up...

<PuMpErNiCkLe> fo0b4er: Screenshot?

<mike-e> Jester45 : you're claiming your connection is just a little less than half of a DS3 and your parents are paying for this in their home =P

<fo0b4er> sure... give me a second

<hFrench> fo0b4er, xfce?

<fo0b4er> yes

<hFrench> Jester45, is there even such torrent seeded enough for full speed

<Lilandra> hello?

<mike-e> anyone have a list of repositories handy?

<mike-e> i need some w32codec action going

<PuMpErNiCkLe> !w32codecs

<irvin> mike-e, for?

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<mike-e> nice thanks

<PuMpErNiCkLe> There ya go.

<Jester45> hFrench: not really but i do more than one at a time

<hFrench> yea i guess

<hFrench> but then u fill ur hdd in like a day or so dont you?

<Jester45> i host xbox libe all the time to

<Lilandra> i'm running fluxbox on a xubuntu installation on my powerbook, and every now and again, i can't play sound. does anybody know what i ahve to do to restart sound without logging out or restarting?

<crimsun> Lilandra: what error(s) are you receiving RE: sound?

<hFrench> Lilandra, alsamixer

<Jester45> hFrench: 300gb + i get isos to movies on the run

<mike-e> hey if i install the repos from the easysource page that should work ok with xubuntu right?

<mike-e> !easysource

<ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic

<Lilandra> crimsum: well i launch vlc and i just hear no audio

<PuMpErNiCkLe> mike-e: Yeah, Xubuntu and Ubuntu have the same repos.

<Jester45> Lilandra: what kind of file are you trying ot play

<hFrench> Lilandra, yea that happens to me with my usb stereo, i hv to log out

<mike-e> PuMpErNiCkLe : just use the dapper repos?

<Lilandra> avi

<Lilandra> it played before

<PuMpErNiCkLe> mike-e: If you're on Dapper, yeah.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> mike-e: If you're on Edgy, no.

<mike-e> i'm on whatever is the latest

<mike-e> yeah i'm on edgy

<Lilandra> ooh i'm on dapper...

<mike-e> edgy isn't an option on the easysource

<Jester45> played before on the same computer

<Lilandra> yes

<Lilandra> same login

<Jester45> speaker on?

<Lilandra> so that's why i think something crashes or stops and was wondering what i would need to start it back

<Jester45> volume up

<Lilandra> well i haven't stopped the speaker or lowered the volume

<Jester45> cable?

<crimsun> Lilandra: volume's probably just muted. If you had more serious errors, it would just explode.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> mike-e: Edgy has all the official repositories enabled, I heard.

<Lilandra> cable?

<mike-e> oh really

<hFrench> Lilandra, is it ur default sound device?

<Jester45> lol

<hFrench> PuMpErNiCkLe, yea

<bruenig> PuMpErNiCkLe, no it doesn't multiverse and universe are still commented out

<PuMpErNiCkLe> cool

<mike-e> not anything with a codec in it

<Lilandra> hFrench: i don't know how to check if it's my default sound device

<Jester45> error: 3....2....1... boom

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Then you'll need to enable those explicitly.

<Lilandra> when i get the login sscreen i got sound and i haven't changed anything since so i dont know how it will get muted

<hFrench> Lilandra, settings > sound

<mike-e> foot in mouth, thanks PuMpErNiCkLe...btw you're delicious with tuna and melted provolone.

<Lilandra> hFrench: trying to find that :-)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> mike-e: =)

<hFrench> Lilandra, in flux i dont kno wwhere it is :-)

<Lilandra> hFrench: do you know the command for that dialog?

<hFrench> Lilandra, not really

<Lilandra> but do you know ..oh

<hFrench> anyone know sound ppties in terminal?

<fo0b4er> PuMpErNiCkLe, screenshot here: http://four.fsphost.com/momomo/Screenshot.png

<hFrench> apart from alsamixer

<Lilandra> aha! i launched the file from the command line and got error messages

<hFrench> Lilandra, gnome-sound-properties

<hFrench> try that

<mike-e> there's no win32codecs in these repositories btw =P

<hFrench> Jester45, u hv a screen yet?

<mike-e> i'll just add the cipherfunk ones.

<nixternal> fo0b4er: i have those same issues with my laptop

<nixternal> with ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu

<hFrench> mike-e,

<hFrench> ####################################

<hFrench> ### Official Ubuntu Repositories ###

<hFrench> ####################################

<hFrench> # edgy Final Release Repository

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main

<fo0b4er> nixternal, any ideas on fixing it?

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy restricted

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy restricted

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse

<nixternal> hrmm

<hFrench> # edgy Security Updates

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security restricted

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security restricted

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security universe

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security universe

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security multiverse

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security multiverse

<crimsun> um.

<hFrench> # edgy Bugfix Updates

<crimsun> please _don't_ flood.

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates main

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates main

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates restricted

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates restricted

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates universe

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates universe

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates multiverse

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates multiverse

<fo0b4er> yeah, can you stop that!

<hFrench> # edgy Backports (new software versions, provided by the Ubuntu Backports Project)

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports restricted

<mike-e> lol

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<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports restricted

<hFrench> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports universe

<hFrench> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/

<nixternal> +m

<hFrench> mike-e, i hv w32 codecs somewhere in there

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<bruenig> hFrench, you could cut your sources.list in half if you would combine some of those

<nixternal> or that

<crimsun> please don't flood; use a pastebin

<bruenig> hfrench, and those are all ubuntu repos, I doubt there are any w32codecs in that

<phanki> lool

<Lily> hi

<nixternal> win32codecs --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-6c942d1939d97331f96e42b63774003fde7daed5

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<PuMpErNiCkLe> fo0b4er: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238697&highlight=xubuntu+openoffice+title+bar

<fo0b4er> thanks!

*** crimsun sets mode: -o crimsun

<PuMpErNiCkLe> np

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<nixternal> fo0b4er: what video card is that happening with?

<nixternal> mine happens with a ATI mach64 or some crap..in an older laptop

<hFrench> can i hv voice back

<hFrench> oh wait i do

<nixternal> you have it hFrench

<hFrench> heh

<nixternal> hlol

<fo0b4er> nixternal, I don't actually know, I got this laptop for free...

<hFrench> off to reboot brb

<Lilandra> well, computer froze ... rebooted and ooh it plays

<nixternal> fo0b4er: at the command line, type -> lspci

<nixternal> shoot, mouse is dying

<hFrench> mike-e, http://pastebin.ca/225710

<mike-e> thanks

<Lilandra> but, what do i do when it stops playing?

<fo0b4er> nixternal, I guess it's a MagicMedia 256ZX

<Lilandra> anybody?

<fo0b4er> some old crap like yours

<nixternal> fo0b4er: try to reconfigure x, or set x to us 16bit color instead of 24

<nixternal> that kind of cured my issue

<crimsun> Lilandra: you tell us the error message(s)

<fo0b4er> ok, ill try that

<Lilandra> well, i would if i could remember...

<Lilandra> hmm...something about oss and /dev/dsp

<Lilandra> i could wait til it crashes again...

<crimsun> what application(s) is(are) attempting to use /dev/dsp?

<nixternal> mine was actually worse than yours as well...mine would wipe out a good inch in height, all the way across the screen

<Lilandra> when i was launching vlc from the command line

<crimsun> Lilandra: vlc is configured to use alsa by default

<fo0b4er> nixternal, is this a problem with X, Xfce, OOo, or what?

<Lilandra> ok, i'll wait til it stops playing and save the error messages

<nixternal> X

<fo0b4er> ah, ok

<nixternal> either the drivers aren't all that great, or the hardware is going out

<PuMpErNiCkLe> fo0b4er: Did you get the link I sent you?

<Lilandra> aha!

<fo0b4er> yes, sorry I havn't had time to read it yet

<hFrench> mike-e, working yet>

<fo0b4er> nixternal, it could easily be the hardware...

<Lilandra> crimsun: should i use a pastebin?

<crimsun> Lilandra: yes

<Lilandra> ok

<hFrench> yea i think so :)

<Lilandra> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28764/

<fo0b4er> PuMpErNiCkLe, I'll see if I have that installed

<crimsun> Lilandra: paste your /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc*

<Lilandra> ok

<fo0b4er> PuMpErNiCkLe, no it's not installed I'll try installing it

<Lilandra> i don't have an /etc/asound.conf

<crimsun> Lilandra: that's fine.

<Lilandra> neither do i have an .asoundrc*

<crimsun> good, now we're talkin'

<Lilandra> we are?

<crimsun> cat /proc/asound/cards

<Lilandra> do i need to make one?

<crimsun> no, you don't.

<Lilandra> ok done that...two lines...pastebin?

<mike-e> hFrench : uh no those repos don't have the w32codecs in it

<mike-e> does anyone have a working repository for the w32codecs?

<hFrench> weird, when i apt-cache i get them

<mike-e> not it

<mike-e> no i

<fo0b4er> mike-e, they are not in a repo as far as I know

<crimsun> mike-e: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb

<fo0b4er> you have to get them somewhere else yourself (like there is good)

<Lilandra> crimsun: now...*pray*?

<mike-e> thanks crim

<crimsun> Lilandra: well, you do have to tell me the url if you expect me to read it.

<fo0b4er> PuMpErNiCkLe, moment of truth... I'm opening OOo...

<Lilandra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28765/

<fo0b4er> PuMpErNiCkLe, nixternal: SUCCESS! Thanks for your help!

<crimsun> Lilandra: and you're on Dapper?

<Lilandra> yes crimsun

<crimsun> Lilandra: uname -r

<PuMpErNiCkLe> fo0b4er: swoot

<Lilandra> crimsun: 2.6.15-27-powerpc

<crimsun> Lilandra: pastebin your dmesg

<Lilandra> all of it? whoa. ok

<Lilandra> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28767/

<crimsun> lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*

<Lilandra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28769/

<crimsun> ah, brilliant.

<crimsun> I bet you've got a Flash Web site open.

<mike-e> uh what's the app to check hard disks? i need to find a mounting point for a second drive of mine

<crimsun> Lilandra: Flash grabs /dev/dsp (which is oss emulated by alsa) exclusively

<Lilandra> crimsun: flash?

<crimsun> Lilandra: your Web browser grabbed the sound device and won't let go, hence the error message

<Lilandra> well crimsun, there might be sites with flash on it but i don't have flash installed because there is no ppc-flash

<crimsun> doesn't really matter

<crimsun> you've found the cause

<Lilandra> i have? ok

<Lilandra> so if i close firefox?

<Lilandra> also...this means i can't play multiple sound thingies at once?

<mike-e> hehe thingies

<Lilandra> yes thingies :-p

<mike-e> thingies RULE

<crimsun> Lilandra: unless you wrap firefox with aoss (from the alsa-oss package in universe)

<Lilandra> thank you crimsun

<Lilandra> i closed firefox and oo there was sound

* Lilandra growls unhappily

<Lilandra> i mean i know it used to annoy me if i played something and then i heard anotehr sound interfering with it but...ack

<Lilandra> crimsun: do you mean run "aoss firefox"?

<bruenig> Lilandra, what is happening with firefox?

<Lilandra> bruenig: crimsun says that it's stealing my sound and not letting it go which is why sometimes i can't play audio files

<bruenig> Lilandra, I have only ever seen it do that with flash 7, nothing else

<Lilandra> bruenig: i have no flash installed ..i don't see how i could

<Lilandra> oo but i have the plugins for the browser...hmm maybe i remove those

<mike-e> i'm trying to mount this other hard drive that has debian on it, just so i can read some files

<mike-e> ext3 etc

<delaney> if i remove openoffice from my edgy xubuntu it also removes langage-support-en my question is IS THIS BAD? or is this another package like xubuntu-desktop that can be removed without smashing the crap outta everything?

<delaney> cause that openoffice.org that is installed seemingly by default (i never installed it!) is ugly and i NEVER use it

<Lilandra> mike-e: so what have you tried?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> delaney: It's a meta-package. Useful to have, but not -strictly- necessary.

<delaney> PuMpErNiCkLe, so its exactly like xubuntu-desktop.. if i remove gaim it removes that too. meaning gaim is to xubuntu-desktop as openoffice is to language-support-en

<delaney> its not gonna cripple my system so to speak

<crimsun> they're installed for convenience.

<delaney> convenience?

<crimsun> yes, convenience.

<delaney> im not sure i understand..

<crimsun> see what PuMpErNiCkLe typed.

<delaney> i dont get why removing openoffice.org removes language-support-en but removing language-support-en doesnt remove openoffice

* delaney is totally mixed

<delaney> thanks for trying though :)

<Lilandra> open office doesn't need language-support-ne

<Lilandra> hey, do you guys dualboot windows/linux, osx/linux?

<phanki> gn8

<bruenig> Lilandra, I used to dual boot windows until I deleted it

<Lilandra> i'm trying to figure out the best ... um...format...partition format...for a shared osx/linux partition

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<bruenig> hmm, what filesystem does osx use

<MagicFab> HPFS I believe

<zachtib> HFS+ i think

<MagicFab> zachtib, tx

<MagicFab> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFS_Plus

<zachtib> is is just me, or did xubuntu change a fair amount from RC1 to final?

<zachtib> im playing with the livecd...

<bruenig> it's just you, by which I mean, you are the only one who ever used xubuntu RC1

<zachtib> ah

<bruenig> zachtib, do you know where the trash is located?

<zachtib> uh, yeah

<zachtib> bottom panel

<bruenig> in the filesystem?

<zachtib> ~/.Trash, i though

<bruenig> no

<zachtib> beats me, then

<bruenig> I need to find it so I can write this script

<zachtib> i'm pretty sure ubuntu puts in in ~/.Trash, i dunno about xubuntu, im just trying it now

<zachtib> foudn it

<zachtib> ~/.local/share/Trash

<zachtib> anyways, in the RC, right clicking on the desktop gave me the same menu as the "Applications" menu, how can i restore this functionality

<zachtib> wow, i've been on my computer too long, i'm trying to use tab-complete for all my words...

<zachtib> brb

<b0xy|MacPro> could someone tell me what kernel xubuntu 6.10 runs?

<zachtib> 2.6.17

<b0xy|MacPro> thanks

<bruenig> 2.6.17-10-generic

<keb> :) 1242 upgraded, 197 newly installed, 46 to remove and 41 not upgraded.

<Lilandra> what did 6.04 run?

<keb> dunno. mine crapped out halfway thru dist-upgrade to 6.06 due to disk full :/ managed to recover though :)

<Lilandra> is there a good graphical sftp client ?

<keb> are you asking me? i dont know i use scp

<Lilandra> ok

<Lilandra> i'm using sftp at the moment

<Lilandra> i guess i could use scp but i hate typing out all those paths...on the other machine

<keb> yes it can be tedious

<Lilandra> i almost always get it wrong the first couple of times :-)

<keb> i use a mouse to copy paths sometimes

* keb hangs head in shame

<Lilandra> yesss..but i have to get it right in the first place :-)

<Lilandra> well sftp seems to be working okay

<keb> excellent

<keb> hmm filezilla might be available and do sftp

<Lilandra> i just have to u know...run help every so often cuz i'm forgetful and don't remember lls and lcd

<Lilandra> o!

<Lilandra> it might also help if say i had this computer on the wired network...might actually transfer a tad faster :-)

<keb> 54Mb/s is ok on wireless-g

<Lilandra> yeah...hmm i wonder what i'm operating at

<Lilandra> it would be horrible if i was b

<keb> heh

<keb> on windows boxes, you wouldnt get more than 4Mb/s anyway

<Lilandra> really?

<keb> thats the best i've managed on those

<Lilandra> when i first got my wireless card working it would only join the router in mixed-mode

<keb> though its supposed to be 11

<Lilandra> in osx mine is supposed to be g

<keb> you might be able to set the router to only accept g

<Lilandra> yeah..i can try that and see if i am connected. when i first got it working it was g-only which is what made it not work and i was sad

<Lilandra> but i don't know how to check fromt he computer whether it thinks it's b or g

<Lilandra> or operates as b or g

<snuffles01> hello

<Lilandra> hi

<snuffles01> anything new

<keb> Lilandra does iwconfig tell you anything about the cards?

<Lilandra> oh checking

<Lilandra> cant remember alot no more

<Lilandra> it says b/g but says bitrate 11Mb/S

<nannerB> How do I install a VNC server like vino for XFCE?

<nannerB> nm, got it, x11vnc

<Aero> yar...

<Aero> so i just did a dist-upgrade, from dapper to edgy

<Aero> actually i did it several times to make sure it got everything...

<Aero> but my xserver seems to be broken?

<Aero> i'm thinking maybe it's because it doesn't seem to want to upgrade xserver

<Aero> http://rafb.net/paste/results/OOkzOr39.html

<Aero> any ideas? >_>

<keb> did you have proprietary nvidia drivers

<Aero> no, i've never had to install any kind of special video drivers

<Aero> it's always just worked

<Aero> i'm pretty sure it's just compaq onboard junk

<Aero> and it's old

<Aero> is there a reason why it's refusing to upgrade the packages, and/or a way to make it do so?

<keb> if you go into aptitude sometimes it tells you why it is holding packages back

<Aero> k

<Aero> well, that got 'em installed,... thanks!

<Aero> xserver still won't start..

<Aero> it asks me if i want to see the server output to diagnose the problem, i say yes..

<Aero> and it just gives me a blank grey screen with <Ok> at the bottom

<Aero> i seem to vaguely remember some way to configure xserver from a long time ago.. is there a magic command i can use to do that?

<irvin> how's the performance of openoffice in xubuntu? with 128mb-only ram?

<keb> less /var/log/Xorg.0.log

<Aero> lol, there's a process called XKeepsCrashing

<Aero> http://rafb.net/paste/results/JRB6Z546.html

<keb> i didnt like the performance of OOo with 512MB hehe

<keb> but maybe my celeron 1.7GHz is not meant for that

<Aero> sheesh

<Aero> one would think that would be enough for OOo

<irvin> is there an alternative to impress that is lightweight?

<Lilandra> Aero isn't there dpkg-reconfigure or did u try that already?

<Aero> no, i haven't

<Aero> i just run that?

<Lilandra> i think sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg or xserver

<Aero> okay...

<keb> yes,, Aero check the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that line

<Lilandra> i think...i know someone made me do that...but i forget precisely

<Aero> for what line?

<keb> the dpkg-reconfigure line

<keb> irvin : dont know

<Lilandra> on my other pc, when debian kept crashing i copied knoppix' xorg.conf into my debian install :-D

<Lilandra> i sometimes with there was knoppix for ppc when that happens here

<keb> irvin : OOo works mostly ok once it has started up i think

<Aero> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated

<Aero> # again, run the following command:

<Aero> # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

<Aero> that what you mean?

<keb> Aero i dont see any clue from that pastebin why it crashed

<Lilandra> yes!

<keb> yes

<Aero> the 'diagnosis' screen is unresponsive on the machine, too.. good thing i have ssh >_>

<Lilandra> :-)

<Aero> aero@woglinde:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

<Aero> Password:

<Aero> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed

<Aero> guess that's a hint, isn't it!

<keb> yep

<keb> there is a fix command for apt

<Aero> let me guess.. apt-get -f install xserver-xorg

<Jester45> yes

<keb> or for dpkg

<keb> cool

<Lilandra> ew

<Aero> it looks like it wasn't installed at all... so weird... how did i end up without it..

<Jester45> Aero: i had same problem

<Lilandra> Aero: did you upgrade? are we allowed to upgrade xubuntu now?

<Aero> xubuntu.org/get says it's okay to do it with dist-upgrade

<Aero> so that's what i did

<Lilandra> ok

<keb> i'm using the manual method as we type :D

<Aero> i'd only do it if you don't mind mucking a bit though..

<Lilandra> Aero: with the new cd?

<Aero> for me it failed a few times, i had to keep restarting it

<Aero> nah, i just did it from net

<Aero> change all your repositories from dapper to edgy first

<Lilandra> *sigh*...i should download...ooo is hould do that

<Lilandra> if my sister would stop using the internet! :-)

<keb> you're probly better getting the disk to upgrade then

<Lilandra> keb: it's at 540mb of 600 ...

<Lilandra> sister using internet

<Lilandra> :(

<keb> dont want to be interrupted in the middle of a net install

<boris55> is there an ftp server that has the .iso for xubuntu?

<Aero> http://xubuntu.org/get

<Lilandra> keb: but downloads before it installs

<keb> yes

<retry> anybody have the locales issue when upgrading?

<keb> i'm getting lots of locales errors

<Aero> where perl complains incessantly? yes

<retry> I was able to fix it halfway into installation by cmdline tool locale-gen

<retry> yes

<retry> try locale-gen

<Aero> it stops after a while, i think locale-gen runs itself eventually..

<keb> does it cause a problem

<retry> yeah that's my question

<retry> cause I have japanese fonts and use an IME

<Aero> i'll let you know once i've got xfce working ;P

<retry> and it LOOKED like they got uninstalled

<retry> and UIM installation failed...had to ctl-c to continue

<retry> aero, that bad?

<boris55> Aero: I've already checked there. all http as far as I can tell.

<retry> boris, use the torrent

<Aero> oh yeah, for those who have just joined us, i somehow ended up without xserver :P

<keb> ascii is the way to go

<Jester45> boris55: why do you NEED ftp

<Aero> oh, sorry boris.. is there a reason you need ftp instead of http?

<Aero> HOORAY!

<Aero> never have i been so happy to see GDM.

<retry> well upgrade finished by failing out before cleanup

<Lilandra> hooray? yay! aero

<keb> :)

<retry> my menus are all a bunch of squares

<retry> synaptics doesnt run

<Aero> are you donig the upgrade right now?

<Aero> *doing

<retry> I was

<Aero> uh yeah

<boris55> Jester45. I need restart capability.

<retry> i just rebooted

<Aero> don't try to use the computer until you finish

<Aero> that happens

<retry> aero, but it didnt cleanup and restart

<Aero> whoah, that's one slick login screen

<retry> it just bailed with errors

<keb> boris55 you could try wget -c http://...

<Jester45> bors55 ummm

<Jester45> boris55: or use the torrent

<boris55> keb I have a windoze box.

<Aero> i got some errors telling me to do stuff like apt-get -f install

<Aero> so i did what they said and started it up again

<Aero> doesn't give you hints at all?

<boris55> I get 510 MB and then the download stops. work stops the download same point every time. resets the connection.

<Aero> cos i had to restart it like 3 times

<retry> oh the startup splash dont show services starting anymore

<retry> that sucks

<Jester45> boris55: get utorrernt then www.utorrent.com its only like 168k

<Aero> noticed that too, i wonder if there's a secret key combo to do it..

<keb> hmm there used to be a wget for windows

<Aero> oh, clever

<Aero> it only installed OOo writer, not the rest of OOo

<Aero> cos i didn't have OOo at all before the upgrade

<Jester45> boris55: im telling use the utorrent

<retry> aero, did you get buffer IO errors on any devices when you reboot?

<keb> hmmm E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

<retry> my xserver failed too

<Aero> i don't recall..

<Jester45> its a very small program under 1mb

<Jester45> uses the .torrents from

<boris55> I'm so sick of windoze...

<retry> aero, what was your fix for xserver ?

<boris55> I'll check utorrent out.

<Aero> well let's see

<Aero> when you do apt-get dist-upgrade is there anything there that's being held back?

<Jester45> aero didnt have it installed

<Gareth^> hm, anyone here using the ca package servers and not getting a reply?

<keb> worked for me

<keb> Gareth^

<Gareth^> probably something on my end then, thanks

<Aero> i had it installed before the upgrade :P

<Jester45> boris55 if nothing else i will host it

<retry> well crap, now I gotta reinstall dapper with the livecd

<retry> and restore my backup

<Jester45> retry i did that 3 times

<retry> you got edgy running yet?

<Jester45> drapper to edgy to edgy to draper to edgy to drapper

<Jester45> im staying this time

<retry> maybe I'll just burn an edgy iso

<keb> mine has been manually upgraded each time since breezy

<Aero> yeah, the edgy upgrade process seems.. uh.. A LITTLE BUGGY ;P

<retry> and just reinstall software/config that I had

<retry> but ugh

<Juz_Visiting> upgrade failed for me so I'm trying a straight install keeping my /home

<retry> yeah but I want more than just /home

<Juz_Visiting> lol

<retry> I want to keep all the confs I spent hours setting up

<retry> so /etc would be nice

<retry> and man I dont remember everything I've installed/uninstalled

<retry> but it's been a lot

<Jester45> just / would be nice

<retry> well yeah

<retry> that would be idyllic

<boris55> sux, I've been wanted to test drive xubuntu.

<retry> then use dapper

<boris55> any opinions on the latest release?

<retry> dapper installs pretty smooth

<retry> if you're a nix noob, don't use edgy yet

<Aero> yeah

<Aero> i'd agree with that

<Aero> unless you want to do a clean install

<Aero> maybe not even then

<keb> i did a totally painless edgy install of edubuntu from scratch on another new machine yesterday

<retry> excuse me now , I have to go yell at a frenchman who convinced me to embrace edgy and will now cost me some sleep tonight...

<boris55> not a noob. I currently use suse and mepis

<boris55> any problems getting a fresh install done?

<retry> dunno mate

<Jester45> *cough* n00b *cough*

<keb> edgy is faster than dapper, i think they tightened the code

<Jester45> keb: i agree

<retry> yeah well more performant kernel and gtk/wm than dapper

<retry> too bad it can't be upgraded too :)

<keb> heh

<Jester45> do you guys know if there is a gtk only repo

<retry> also upstart supposedly speeds up boot time considerably

<keb> heh. the flashplugin never downloads automatically for me

<keb> retry : did you try to fix the broken upgrade

<retry> keb can't even boot to a tty

<keb> oic

<keb> i dont understand why i need both gstreamer 0.8 and 0.10

<Lilandra> im going to sleep and keb i dont understand either

<Lilandra> bye all

<keb> night

<keb> hmm just realizing now that i have no backup if this doesnt reboot 8)

<retry> hey quick question mates

<retry> how the hell do I pop the live cd out so I can put my backup cd in to copy a tarball onto my mounted harddrive?

<retry> it just occurred to me that since it's sourcing hte OS from the CD, it's not gonna let me just umount so easily

<keb> good one

<retry> damn I shoulda just left the tarball in /

<retry> me and my stupid optimism

<keb> will it fit on a usb key

<keb> isnt there a rescue mode with the live cd

<Jester45> pull the drive open

<Jester45> o wait thats why i have 3 :)

<retry> maybe so keb

<retry> I'll try it

<retry> didnt seem to work keb

<retry> well i got a usb harddrive

<keb> :/

<retry> so I'll just copy it from my windows machine

<retry> edgy eft: 1 man with two laptops: .5

<keb> hehe

<keb> what animal is an eft anyway

<retry> a kind of newt

<retry> drake is a male duc

<retry> duck*

<retry> anybody know what g will be?

<keb> what happened to f

<retry> who cares about f

<retry> feisty fawn

<retry> thats already known

<keb> maybe it will be good golly

<keb> anyone get these: Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108.

<retry> keb that sounds familiar

<retry> during installation

<keb> lots of them

<keb> whoa freaky. it keeps restarting Xfce right under me

<keb> hahaha

<retry> man I'm so glad it's a snap to restore from a tarball in linux

<keb> first thing i loaded up firefox and it goes to http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/610 which doesnt exist

<TheSheep> fawn

<TheSheep> 2: try to gain favor by cringing or flattering; "He is always

<TheSheep> kowtowing to his boss" [syn: {toady}, {truckle}, {bootlick},

<TheSheep> {kowtow}, {kotow}, {suck up}]

<TheSheep> how accurate :P

<keb> heh

<keb> ok 1st reboot after upgrade time :D

<keb> brb

<TheSheep> hopefully

<keb> :)

<Jester45> hi

<Jester45> i got all my programs back to normal

<Jester45> only thing diffrent is my keyboard short cuts

<retry> ok back to dapper

<retry> damn that's nice

<Jester45> retry thats what i did

<retry> faster to restore than to upgrade

<keb> yay!

<keb> next upgrade target Beryl :D

<TheSheep> next upgrade target -- Breezy Badger :P

<keb> heh

<keb> i didnt know there was an Xubuntu before 5.10

<TheSheep> not sure...

<Mushed> what's the difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu?

<TheSheep> ask and run

* TheSheep tries to answer the question telepatically

* Jester45 helps

<retry> anybody know what happend to freecontrib.org?

<retry> their server seems to have been down for weeks now

<retry> ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/ubuntu/README

<retry> bummer :(

<FSRxc> Heyo

<retry> hey keb, you alive and well with edgy now?

<eclectro> Hi - does xubuntu 6.10 have the latest flash 9 beta?

<Gloubiboulga> no

<eclectro> ok, thanks

<miika> how to change terminal charset ?

<maydaytx> sudo rm -rf /

<lotusleaf> maydaytx: that's mean

<miika> maydaytx: not that stupid :D

<miika> or maybe u can show me how ?

<miika> u do it first ::)

<bdgraue> what programm do i need for making an iso from dvd?

<miika> k3b ?

<miika> can it do that ?

<TheSheep> bdgraue: no program, just copy the /dev/cdrom

<TheSheep> bdgraue: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myisofile.iso

<Zeqfreed> strange things with ffsearch database..

<bdgraue> TheSheep: thats it?!?!

<Zeqfreed> bdgraue: an iso file is nothing more than a exact copy of disk

<bdgraue> oh really

<bdgraue> TheSheep: how to delete the dvd?

<TheSheep> bdgraue: dvd-rw?

<TheSheep> bdgraue: for that you need either gnomebaker or k3b

<TheSheep> bdgraue: first is from gnome, second from kde

<TheSheep> bdgraue: xfce doesn't have a native app for that

<romana> there are cmd line tools

<bdgraue> TheSheep: time for good burning-tool in xfce

<TheSheep> bdgraue: there is xfburn, it's pretty good, but basic

<highvoltage> hi. where can I rsync to the latest xubuntu release? I only still have a pre-release iso image.

<pizux> hello

<pizux> what is the way to have beryl works ?

<vinze> Wait..

<vinze> Follow the second howto at http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-4863-howto-xgl-and-beryl-how-for-gnome

<vinze> But add the following to /usr/share/startxgl.sh:

<vinze> #!/bin/sh

<vinze> # Start up Xgl and Xfce

<vinze> # Run Xgl server on :1, on top of normal X

<vinze> Xgl :1 -fullscreen -ac -accel xv -accel glx:pbuffer &

<vinze> # Tell subsequent X programs to access the Xgl server at :1

<vinze> DISPLAY=:1

<vinze> # Start Xfce

<vinze> exec xfce4-session

<pizux> well but don't use xgl got a nvidia card

<vinze> Yeah me too

<vinze> But Xgl is on top of Nvidia

<pizux> yes but with last beta drivers don't need xgl

<vinze> Never heard of that...

<pizux> on ubuntu wxith last dribers beta i don't need ton install xgl

<vinze> You're not on Xubuntu?

<pizux> no i am just installing it

<vinze> Right, but then you don't have the latest beta drivers

<pizux> yes got them

<vinze> But you're just doing an install?

<vinze> O wait, on top of Ubuntu?

<vinze> You have both?

<pizux> have done both install yesterday ubuntu and xubuntu

<pizux> iam on ubuntu now

<vinze> Ah.. Right

<pizux> but want to install xubuntu with beryl work

<vinze> How about following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy

<pizux> ever done that

<vinze> No

<vinze> But you can trust that one

<pizux> i know i tested that one

<vinze> Then you can just start beryl-manager on Xfce login

<pizux> but don't work on xfce

<vinze> Hmm...

<vinze> Also when you run beryl-manager?

<pizux> yes it start but told me that eryl-xgl: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0

<pizux> beryl-xgl: No manageable screens found on display :0.0

<pizux> but i can use beryl manager but without effect

<vinze> So you do have the Beryl icon in the taskbar?

<pizux> no

<pizux> but can open beryl-manager

<Zeqfreed> how to strip \n characters from a string in perl?

<Zeqfreed> chomp seems to have strange behaviour

<vinze> Woohoo! The website has screenshots!

<highvoltage> yay!

<highvoltage> vinze: there's a tag somewhere that isn't closed or something

<vinze> I'll check it in a minute

<highvoltage> the copyright line shows next to the second image

<highvoltage> I think it might be the table that's still open

<highvoltage> ok

<vinze> Hmmm... All tags are closed and it still doesn't look good...

<vinze> Drupal's HTML is really messy

<highvoltage> it is quite :/

<highvoltage> all cms themes have that problem. they have lots and lots of stuff for cross-browser compatibility.

<vinze> Now it looks better

<vinze> But the first image is still out of place

* Zeqfreed has quit ("Why not?")

<mirf> nah

<mirf> I'm having a look now

<mirf> damn wrong windo

<ephemeros> hey dudes, i see xubuntu is officially released,

<ephemeros> i downloaded dhe i386 iso 2 days ago,

<ephemeros> is it different from the official one?

<JKnife> what is edgy+1 called?

<JKnife> =) it woul dbe cool if OOo had a curses version

<JKnife> s|woul dbe|would be|

<pizux> hello

<pizux> is there a way to read audocd's automaticaly when inserting it in my cdrom?

<pizux> audio cd *

*** henry__ is now known as hFrench

<hFrench> gnomefreak why are you in #xubuntu? :P

<gnomefreak> hFrench: why are you?

<pizux> gxine can read cd ausio but is not the best wich can i use ?

<hFrench> gnomefreak because i like xfce

<wyz|windows> Has the menu edit bug been fixed in Xubuntu Edgy (6.10)?

<hFrench> wyz|windows no

<hFrench> not to my knowledge

<wyz|windows> Thanks man, ok I'll stick with zenwalk. Thanks again for your quick reply.

<wyz|windows> :)

<hFrench> wyz|windows thats the best choice

<wyz|windows> lol

<pizux> is someone using beryl on edgy without killall xfwm4?

<pizux> thx

<TheSheep> pizux: I use beryl-manager

<pizux> iam using beryl-manager too but can't have beryl without launch killall xfwm4 command before

<TheSheep> pizux: beryl-manager kills xfwm4 for me...

<TheSheep> pizux: you want both window managers running at the same time? O.o

<pizux> sure u right

<pizux> ok so it's not due to my config

<pizux> ok thx

<pizux> and tchao

<JKnife> TheSheep: it doesn't kill it for me

<JKnife> and it wont switch untill i kill xfwm4 my self

<JKnife> gnomefreak: =/ yes the bug HAS been fixed.. it was fixed in dapper

<gnomefreak> what bug?

<JKnife> and omg people need to read the topic

<JKnife> ohh

<JKnife> n/m

<JKnife> you and hFrench had the same nick colour

<JKnife> wyz|windows: yes the bug has been fixed

<mike-e> good morning

<mike-e> anyone around?

* irvin yawns

* mike-e twiddles his thumbs

<Zeqfreed> is there any way to make proftpd transliterate file names on the fly?

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: encoding problems?

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: yep

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: most of the windows clients expect CP1251-encoded filenames

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: better set the correct encoding...

<TheSheep> not sure how

<Zeqfreed> set where

<TheSheep> in the daemon

<Zeqfreed> it lists file names in utf-8 as they are in my system

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: yes, but does it tell the user it's utf-8?

<Xubuntian> hey buddies?

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: ftp protocol specification doesn't allow to use non-ANSI encodings..

<Xubuntian> what's the program in xubuntu to obtain details about HW configuration?

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: that's bad

<Xubuntian> like System Information in windows and something i don't remember in KDE

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: it is

<TheSheep> Xubuntian: lspci, cat /proc/cpuinfo, etc?

<Xubuntian> a GUI that integrates all of these?

<Zeqfreed> so the only solution i see is to transliterate filenames on the fly

<keb> surely they have updated the FTP RFCs by now

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: you want to patch teh ftp protocol? %)

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: what about people who use latin2?

<Zeqfreed> i don't want to change ftp protocol :) i want ftp daemon to somehow change filenames to make them fit protocol restrictions

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: what about latin2?

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: if your hardcode the transliteration to win-1250 or whatever broken encoding your users want, you will break the clients that use correct ones...

<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: doesn't %XX work in ftp urls just like in http?

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: nope, i want russian filenames encoded with utf-8 to be transliterated so they will contain only standard latin characters with codes in range from 32 to 128

<TheSheep> what about collisions?

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: not sure about %XX, it should work

<TheSheep> append ~1, ~2 etc. to the end? ;)

<Zeqfreed> TheSheep: in case of collisions it may add numbers to filenames :)

<Zeqfreed> yep

<Zeqfreed> but there are no collisions

<Zeqfreed> in fact

<TheSheep> hm... I think I saw this system somewhere, can't recall where... ;)

<Howitzer> Hi

<Zeqfreed> proftpd even supports gzipping on the fly..

<Zeqfreed> hey Howitzer

<Howitzer> Does Xubuntu have the exact same hardware recognition as Ubuntu?

<TheSheep> Howitzer: yes

<Howitzer> and does it also have ndiswrapper on it's disc like Ubuntu?

<TheSheep> not sure, never used it, but no reason to not to?

<Xubuntian> TheSheep, what about bluetooth in xubuntu?

<TheSheep> Xubuntian: what about it?

<TheSheep> Xubuntian: the cli tools are the same

<Xubuntian> is there a support?

<Xubuntian> which are they?

<TheSheep> Xubuntian: bleus utils, I guess

<TheSheep> I've seen them starting at boot

<slow-motion> hallo

<Zeqfreed> evening

<Zeqfreed> does ^M stand for \n?

<keb> ^M is \r

<keb> afaik

<Zeqfreed> oh, that was the problem though

<TheSheep> Zeq