<phire> :-(

<phire> The entire world is against me...

<ajmitch> and why is that?

<phire> well, at least my windows computer is, and the cd burner in my linux box

<phire> Every time I burn a edgy cd, it turns out blank

<phire> Have you tried installing from a blank cd?

<universal> Anyone else from wellington in here?

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<phire> I Think my cd writer is broken

<Jasey> how come?

<phire> I can erase, but not burn, the cd-rw's just stay blank

<Jasey> =\

<phire> do cd-rw's use the same lazer as cd-r's?

<Jasey> i dunno

<Jasey> all i know is cd-r's are affected by the laser altering the colour of the dye in the discs .. and cd-rw's are affected by the heat of the laser altering the special alloy on the disc

<Jasey> so the whole "shouldnt they be just the same?" thing doesnt apply... do cd-r's burn ok?

<phire> don't know I'm out of un-damaged cd-r;s

<Jasey> =\

<Jasey> one thing i found disadvantageous in edgy is bash scripts didnt execute properly ... im sure it will do that for him too :-)

<Jasey> wb

<phire> well looks like it can still burn cd-r's

<Jasey> oh good

<phire> to fix the bash scripts you change the #!/bin/sh at the top to #!/bin/bash i think

<Jasey> i know

<Jasey> why did they go and do that o_O

<phire> what does the sh link to now?

<Jasey> means i have to go thru every single package looking for bash scripts

<Jasey> i dunno

<ajmitch> because those scripts are somewhat broken, depending on bash features but not actually requiring bash

<mattb> did they not manage to get bugs filed on them before release?

<mattb> or is Jasey talking about local packages?

<Jasey> iunno

<ajmitch> usually local/third party stuff

<phire> ls -l /bin/sh

<Jasey> i changed /bin/sh to link to bash now, everything is working normally again

<phire> so, what did it link to?

<Jasey> i dunno

<Jasey> i changed the link ages ago dude

<Jasey> lol

<mattb> sh links to dash

<Jasey> yeh thats right

<Plug> mattb: got a link to the backstory for the debian vote you were talking about?

<Plug> (undernet has been broken all day)

<mattb> debian-vote archives

<phire> so, why dash?

<ajmitch> because dash is a lighter-weight shell

<Jasey> oh

<Jasey> i presume then all new packages in the ubuntu repos will be modified to tell the scripts to use bash when its required..

<Jasey> cos my modem driver requires a package provided only by a third party .. flashtux .. i had a b*tch of a time figuring out what the heck why i couldnt initiate the modem =\

<Jasey> ill have to contact them to alter their package

<mattb> sigh

<mattb> seems no-one in NZ mirrors sources for sid, except for citylink

<mattb> and their mirror is stuffed, as per usual

<phire> looks like I'll have to get this old cd writer working

<phire> otherwise no edgy for me

<Jasey> awwwness

<hads> Using dash as sh instead of bash is good for a number of reasons - increasing boot speed for one.

<phire> ah

<Jasey> yeh

<Jasey> actually my boot wasnt so noticably different =\ then again my machine su*ks

<phire> spec's?

<Jasey> err... 955 MHz Intel Celeron, 256 MB physical ram, 780 MB swap

<Jasey> duno where to find other specs

<phire> w00t, I beat you 1000MHz amd althlon, 386mb ram, 780mb swap!!!!!

<Jasey> ... and?

<Jasey> your point being?

<phire> nothing, I need an upgrade

<Jasey> lol

<phire> its nice to know I'm not the only person using such old hardware

<Jasey> lol

<hads> I was until about a month ago, splashed out on an upgrade.

<Jasey> i thought about upgrading... measured up costs... just gonna get a new pc lol

<phire> so did I, new case, hdd, ram and video card. Then I ran out of money

<hads> Yeah, by upgrade I meant new PC.

* ajmitch probably won't be getting a new pc for a little while yet

<hads> You're missing a crucial component :)

<phire> oh, and screen and speekers

<hads> I actually just got around to screwing the case down on my new box yesterday. Go the last component - a new DVD burner.

<phire> but it works well

<phire> I think i need one of thoes as well

<phire> when I go "cdrdao disk-info" it goes: WARNING: Unit not ready, still trying...x10, ERROR: Unit not ready, giving up. ERROR: Cannot setup device /dev/cdrw.

<phire> and the drive doesn't even spin up

<hads> I just added up how much I payed for the new system - $1735 - which is better than I thought actually.

<Jasey> is it a really good n fast one?

<hads> Which is only $1500 if you take the GST

<hads> It's a Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM and a SATAII drive.

<phire> nice

<hads> It's a _lot_ faster than my old Athlon

<Jasey> lovely

* ajmitch wouldn't mind something decent

<hads> In a pretty little case http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-sg01Evolution.htm

<ajmitch> hads: quite small

<hads> With a nice quiet PSU - it was nearly silent until I put a new backup drive in it, now you can hear it but it's not noisy.

* ajmitch hunts for a picture of the case he's using

<hads> Yeah, Micro-ATX - small is good.

<ajmitch> http://www.ascent.co.nz/images/products/110990-2.jpg

<ajmitch> something like that

<hads> Large!

<ajmitch> full tower

<phire> http://www.nzxt.com/products/trinity/ -- the black one

<hads> I have three boxes in the cupboard which do all the insteresting stuff. I like to keep the noise in there.

<hads> Fancy :)

<ajmitch> I'm mainly using this because a friend had no need for it

<hads> Would be a handy box for some nice raid5 :)

<hads> Mmmm, with removeable caddies.

<phire> looks like there is only one thing left to do, boot into windows 98... shudder

<hads> My lounge is still a little noisy for my liking as the Myth box doesn't have the quietest PSU or CPU fan.

<hads> phire: Ug. Why?

<phire> can't get this cd writer working from ubuntu, other one is broken and I want edgy

<hads> I see.

<phire> there is a slight chance it will work in 98

<phire> cya

<hads> Later

<hads> That reminds me, I was removing old kernels from my wifes lappies before I got distracted by lunch.

<yipe> hi

<Jasey> hey yipe

<yipe> how're you?

<Jasey> im good, yourself?

<yipe> I'm okay...

<mattb> hmm

<mattb> mark 1 against update manager

* mattb reverts to apt-get

<mattb> it replaced my local sources lines and started trying to upgrade from archive.ubuntu.com

<mattb> which of course is deathly slow

<Nameeater> upgrading or dist-upgrading?

<mattb> gksu "update-manager -c"

<mattb> as suggested by the release notes

<mattb> I've now reverted to my tried and true friend apt-get dist-upgrade ;)

<Nameeater> sounds good, I'm just waiting on the install CD to finish downloading in case it all goes wrong :)

<Nameeater> is there a nz.security.ubuntu.com mirror? or is it just archive.ubuntu

<mattb> security doesn't tend to get mirrored

<mattb> hard to authenticate and all that

<Nameeater> ok

<brendonjt> evening all

<Nameeater> lo

<Nameeater> my dist-upgrade choked halfway which was scary

<brendonjt> that is bad

<Nameeater> yea, but apt-get -f install appears to have started ending it

<Nameeater> well, patched it up, now I have to finish dist-upgrade.. I think

<brendonjt> help any one here got a sources.list for debian testing

<mattb> same as stable

<mattb> just replace sarge/stable with testing/etch

<Nameeater> is upstart ment to replace udev?

<Nameeater> hmm thats a terrible sentance

<mattb> no

<mattb> upstart replaces init

<Nameeater> oh ok

<ajmitch> hi universal

<universal> Yo ajmitch

<universal> I found the most bizarre hardware conflict today.

<universal> If my dsl router is connected to my box (it's via usb since ethernet didn't want to work) then my box won't boot.

<Nameeater> worked like a charm

<ajmitch> universal: interesting, how many other usb devices are connected?

<universal> None

<universal> Ooh light tremor going on, but this is wellington so go fig.

<ajmitch> curious

<ajmitch> by don't boot, you mean it doesn't get through the BIOS POST stage?

<universal> It sends no input to the monitor so I don't know what it doesn't get past.

<universal> *ouput to the monitor

<ajmitch> right

<ajmitch> sounds worrying anyway

<universal> Yeah, you're telling me

<ibeardsle1> when just finished upgrading to 6.10 and all seems well :-)

<universal> Uh oh fire-engine.

<ajmitch> ibeardsle1: excellent :)

<ajmitch> ibeardsle1: you're in wellington, aren't you?

<ibeardsle1> I am

<universal> Oooh another wellingtonian

<ibeardsle1> universal: you introduced yourself to the wellylug recently didn't you?

<universal> Yes I did

<ibeardsle1> so you'll be at the meeting next Monday?

<universal> Unfortunately no, as I have Legion of Mary on monday nights.

<universal> Gutted

<ibeardsle1> oh well

<universal> Why can't more groups do tuesday or wednesday.

<ibeardsle1> Wednesdays are doable, but Tuesday, Thurs and most Fridays are out for me :-(

<universal> I'm gonna have fun setting up a RoR box.

<ibeardsle1> can't please everyone

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<universal> Unfortunately no, but I've been desiring to hook up with more geeks here, but I can't do curry thursdays as I have choir on thursdays, can't do WellyLUG....

<ajmitch> such a busy social life :)

<ajmitch> and you dare to call yourself a geek..

<universal> Choir is kind of social, it's more like 'try to cram as much chant and palestrina into 2 hours as we can'

<universal> Legion of Mary isn't social at all.

<ibeardslee_home> let's not get into religion eh?

<universal> Heh, didn't intend to ;)

<ajmitch> just mentioning activities is hardly a religious debate :)

<universal> I'm having fun setting up RoR

<ibeardslee_home> RoR?

<universal> Ruby on Rails

<ibeardslee_home> ahh

<mattb> hmm

<mattb> laptop broke :(

<mattb> doesn't seem to like edgy

<ajmitch> that's sad

<Jasey> aww :(

<ibeardslee_home> very, still got to do the final upgrade to edgy on my laptop (still running as it was on Wednesday)

<mattb> hmm, dist-upgrade round #2 has a whole lots of xserver packages to install

<mattb> lets hope that fixes it

* ajmitch has to upgrade to feisty once there's more than the toolchain uploaded

<Nameeater> flaming bugs

<Nameeater> nautilus has a preview bug ;(

<universal> Submit a patch

<universal> Now, are there any webhosts that do ruby on rails AND postgres?

<Nameeater> 'submit a patch' ?

<universal> Debug nautilus, find out what is causing the bug, fix the bug and then submit your fix to nautilus for considerment.

<ibeardslee_home> not everyone on this list has the knowledge to do that.

<ibeardslee_home> I don't

<Nameeater> you are hilarious! I struggle to write the most basic shell/python scripts, and besides if I was capable I would have said something completely different ;)

<universal> Yeah I wasn't being entirely serious, but I did explain what the comment meant ;)

<Nameeater> :p~

<universal> Although maybe this is your calling to learn how to debug software so you can contribute CODE to open source projects.

<ajmitch> Description: Ubuntu feisty (development branch)

<ajmitch> alright, let the breakage begin

<ibeardslee_home> the bleeding edge

<universal> Nameeater, just imagine it, you immortalised in gnome's CVS....

<Nameeater> that would be something

<ajmitch> universal: you'd better start writing some patches :)

<universal> Tell me about it.

<universal> I'll need to refresh my C knowledge.

<ajmitch> for those packages with C source

<universal> Indeed

<universal> For java I think I'm addicted to using IntelliJ

<ajmitch> a large part of community contributions to ubuntu development is packaging work

<universal> I would imagine.

<universal> ibeardslee_home, what do you do for a living? If I may be so bold as to ask.

<ibeardslee_home> Operations Manager

<ibeardslee_home> at a Wellington OSS company

<universal> Fascinating, what do operations managers do?

<ibeardslee_home> look after the operations, server room, sysadmins etc

<universal> Ah, groovy, what company is it?

<ibeardslee_home> Catalyst

<ibeardslee_home> looking for more sysadmins at the moment

* ajmitch digs around for his CV

<universal> Hehe

<universal> Yeah, come up! ;)

<ibeardslee_home> jobs@catalyst.net.nz

<ajmitch> after all the horror stories you've told me?

<ibeardslee_home> we had ads in the Herald, Press and DomPost

<universal> Come on, my parish is better than yours ;)

<universal> Plus it means I get a flatmate!

<ajmitch> whether I'd be qualified for catalyst is another matter :)

<mattb> rc xserver-xorg 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 the X.org X server

<mattb> hmm

<ajmitch> mattb: doesn't look so healthy

<mattb> now why on earth did aptitude think that was helpful

<universal> No harm in trying...

<ajmitch> have you been installing funny things again?

<mattb> not that I remember..

<ibeardslee_home> send it through we'll have a nosey ... you'd have to move up north though :-)

<universal> A number of his friends live here, so I think he'd survive.

<ajmitch> whether I could survive flatting with you..

<universal> A bit late for statements like that ;)

<ajmitch> true

<brendonjt> hi all is anyone here

<universal> Nope

<universal> We're not here.

<ibeardslee_home> Is wellington here?

<brendonjt> oh ok

<universal> Wow, I make really dumb jokes when I'm really sleep deprived.

<brendonjt> hehe

<universal> Yes here in wellington.

<universal> If you can count tawa as wellington ;)

<universal> I'm in the CBD

<universal> Err, Te Aro I mean

<brendonjt> how is the new version of ubuntu , is anyone here using edgy

<ibeardslee_home> yup

<Nameeater> its just ok

<brendonjt> ok, cool

<mattb> well

<brendonjt> i am finding debian, testing excellant,

<mattb> apart from x disappearing

<mattb> that went smoothly

<brendonjt> ae x disappearing on what?

<universal> Crud I think I might be reduced to using MySQL

<ajmitch> why is that?

<universal> No decent cheap hosts support Postgres, that I've found so far.

<ajmitch> and why do you need to purchase hosting?

<universal> I've got a commercial project idea.

<ajmitch> interesting

<Nameeater> universal: http://www.surpasshosting.com/webdev/

<Nameeater> cheap as chips

<Nameeater> and if they ask for a referral it was me!

<Nameeater> (me = 'brokend' )

<universal> Cheers bro

<universal> I'll keep them in mind.

<Nameeater> not a problem

<Nameeater> I have shared hosting with them and it has been sweet as :)

<universal> Although their web-design is horrible, who thought that putting grey on white was a good idea?

<Nameeater> looks fine to me :p

<universal> It's hard to read, strains the eyes more than they should, I mean dimming contrast actually aids reading, but not that much.

<ajmitch> I should probably start convertin my laptop to full disk encryption before I head away

<ajmitch> once I make sure I can boot off usb

<universal> And not repeat what happened in montreal.

<ajmitch> yes

<ajmitch> that would be annoying

<yipe> hi everybody

<yipe> oh wait, it's like early as hell in the morning there isn't it?

<yipe> I'll get with you alter

<yipe> later*

<ajmitch> morning

<yipe> morning

<hads> Mornin all.

<ibeardsle1> morning

<mattb> ajmitch: about?

<kirjava> Anyone awake?

* mattb is battling xen

<kirjava> Upgraded to edgy yet?

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