<Davo_Dinkum> Hi guys.

<Davo_Dinkum> Hello?

<ThePizzaKing> Hello

<Davo_Dinkum> Should I use Xubuntu or Ubuntu?

<Davo_Dinkum> I r4eally can't decide

<Davo_Dinkum> *really

<Hit3k> ahh I love the headline on digg

<Hit3k> "11 years of openBSD and still noone cares"

* yama is reminded why he doesn't read digg

<TheMuso> Hi all.

<TheMuso> yama: How was SLUG?

<yama> TheMuso: I didn't go. I had to stay back late at work and I've been feeling a little ill anyway.

<TheMuso> Right.

<yama> but I did get a new desktop machine for work and order a new laptop, so yesterday wasn't all bad :)

<yama> two computers in one day ain't bad

<TheMuso> Heh.

<yama> TheMuso: we got Sean at work to try out the Edgy LiveCD

<TheMuso> Right.

<TheMuso> Chris was telling me that he likes it.

<yama> he must have said "I'm very impressed" about ten times

<TheMuso> hehe cool.

<yama> that's high praise, considering that he used to work for Freedom Scientific, and currently is a JAWS beta tester

<mtholdenss> anyone here know how on ubuntu edgy eft i can access my macs music library?

<TheMuso> yama: Indeed.

<KatteKrab> g'morning ppl

<pschulz01> Morning...

<ThePizzaKing> hmm, Nautilus just changed to American english

<ThePizzaKing> eh, restarting it fixed it

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<pschulz01> Anyone know how to (properly) deal with a corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/status file?

<quail-laptop> morning all

<pschulz01> It was corrupted by me trying to do too many things at once.. the file can still be read, but there are package records which contain odd non-ascii characters. I have manually edited/removed these records by hand

<pschulz01> seems to be better..

<pschulz01> Now I'm getting.. Segmentation faulty tree... 50%

<pschulz01> when I do a 'apt-get upgrade'

<pschulz01> Hmm.. back later... need to go shopping.

<quail-laptop> pschulz01: There's a backup file there /var/lib/dpkg/status called status-old, write status-old over status

<pschulz01> Ta.

* pschulz01 back from shops

<pschulz01> quail-laptop: looks like I also have to cleans out '/var/cache/apt' as well.

<quail-laptop> pschulz01: sudo apt-get clean

<pschulz01> quail-laptop: :-) If you're really desperate for disk space, apt-get clean is more radical, and will remove .deb files even for packages currently installed.

* pschulz01 reads the webpage..

<pschulz01> quail-laptop: Not exactly what I want ot go dut it is all fixed now.

<pschulz01> .. want to do ..

<quail-laptop> pschulz01: there is no harm in cleaning out /var/apt/cache

<pschulz01> quail-laptop: I should add something to the page about 'apt-cacher'

<quail-laptop> pschulz01: i run apt-get cleam regularly

<quail-laptop> clean

<pschulz01> I like 'apt-get autoclean'

<pschulz01> I still like to be able to reinstall a package if I need to get back to the default settings.

<quail-laptop> there no real reason to keep the deb package on your hdd after they are installed

<pschulz01> quail-laptop: Not if you have fast internet access.. old habits die hard.

<pschulz01> quail-laptop: If I endup completely screwing up a configuration file, I'll 'apt-get remove --purge' and reinstall.

<quail-laptop> i going to have my adsl2+ connected mid november

<pschulz01> quail-laptop: Excellent! (in my best Monty Burns voice)

<quail-laptop> :-)

<quail-laptop> hehe

* flaccid waits for coffee

* quail-laptop got a milo/coffee atm

<pschulz01> flaccid: How would you like it?

<flaccid> well i'm waiting for my biatch to make it

<flaccid> on the stovetop

<flaccid> i like it strong

<quail-laptop> triple strength expresso mmmm

<flaccid> espresso is better

<flaccid> w/ extra shot

<cafuego> Hmm, special.

<cafuego> Upgrading to edgy seems to have made ssh not work.

<flaccid> hehe

* pschulz01 sits back and prepares watch the entertainment.. as flaccid bounces off the ceiling.

<DarkMageZ> clean install ftw

<cafuego> nowhere near clean, I had to spend an hour trashing the disk ID boot stanzas and rebuilding initrd to make it boot at all :-P

* flaccid still waiting

<cafuego> purserj: hey, can you gimme a ring on 3000@sip.cc.om.au again?

<cafuego> nm

<purserj> sorry just sorting kids out

<cafuego> 's ok, asterisk seems to have just hard;ocked donnas machine

<Jfrench> forums

<cafuego> hmmm

<pschulz01> Has anyone here setup a bittorent server?

<tommo89> gday

<pschulz01> tommo89: hi there!

<tommo89> i dont suppose you could help me? ive been trying to transfer files from my ubuntu machine to a windows share, but i dont have the proper permissions

<pschulz01> I will probably have to run away in a mo... but shoot..

<pschulz01> What have you done?

<tommo89> alright

<tommo89> i've smbfs mounted it as /mnt/server, but i dont have permissions there, even when editing permissions to 'all' for read/write/execute on the windows share

<tommo89> i've tried smbclient to connect, but when i use 'put /home/tom/folder /sharedfolder' it cant find my /home/ folder, nor when i use mput

<purserj> cafuego: ouch

<siccness> Morning

<pschulz01> tommo89: Do you have two completely separate machines?

<siccness> Afternoon, in fact.

<purserj> gah, where can I find the smp kernel for edgy

<siccness> Compile it yourself

<tommo89> pschulz01: yes, these are two separate machines. the one im on now is ubuntu, i want to transfer my folder /home/tom/folder to the windows machine that is sharing its folder /sharedfolder

<siccness> That way you can remove all the useless crap out of it

<pschulz01> tommo89: I can suggest an alternative...

<tommo89> yup?

<pschulz01> tommo89: Install apache on your linux box.. and download them from windows.

<pschulz01> tommo89: I don't have that much useful experience with smb filesystems.

<pschulz01> tommo89: Pull down to windows rather than push.

<siccness> ^Heh, not such a bad idea at all.

<tommo89> yeah i was considering how to do that last night [apache didnt occur to me though], but wanted to make sure my current course of action was doomed

<frederick85> siccness: gcj compiles java code to native binary

<siccness> wtf?

<siccness> Most random statement of all time.

<frederick85> siccness: i was discussing it with you yesterday remember

<pschulz01> tommo89: You can even install the 'WebDAV' module and be able to mount the directory in windows.

<siccness> frederick85: Yes, but it was just a random time.

<frederick85> siccness: i just happened to find a program azureus in native code

<siccness> Azureus is sloooow

<pschulz01> tommo89: 'apt-get install apache'

<frederick85> siccness: thats why this package is interesting it's called azureus-gcj

<siccness> Run it

<tommo89> downloading/installing apache now

<pschulz01> tommo89: Then create a directory in your home account called 'public_html'

<pschulz01> If you put things into that, they will be accessable as http://<IPADDRESS>/~usersname

<pschulz01> tommo89: apache2?

<siccness> use a light httpd

<tommo89> i just typed apt-get install apache, but it gave me some error with configuration when it tried to install

<siccness> it's not as if you're needing something big

<tommo89> ill see if it worked

<frederick85> siccness: apt-cache search azureus-gcj

<siccness> i cant do that, frederick85

<pschulz01> tommo89: I know that the 'userdir' module is enable by default.

<frederick85> siccness: not on ubuntu?

<siccness> correct

<pschulz01> tommo89: in apache2

<tommo89> hmm

<frederick85> siccness: what dist.

<tommo89> so do i uninstall apache and install apache2, or what

<siccness> gentoo

<tommo89> i also cant create a folder in my /home/ dir

<pschulz01> tommo89: apache2

<siccness> nothing avai in portage, frederick85

<frederick85> siccness: never used it, whats so good about it

<pschulz01> tommo89: wha?

<tommo89> tom@Tommo:/home$ mkdir public_html ..... mkdir: cannot create directory `public_html': Permission denied

<siccness> WTF

<siccness> oh no no

<purserj> anyone got a duocore laptop and edgy?

<siccness> tommo89: mkdir /home/yourusername/public_html

<tommo89> ah

<klepas> purserj: no edgy yet

<siccness> you had me worried you couldnt make a folder in your own home, tommo89 :)

<purserj> hmm because I'm only getting one cpu when doing a cat /proc/cpuinfo

<pschulz01> tommo89: I have to go.. I leave you in capable hands. (siccness)

<tommo89> haha alright thanks

<tommo89> when i do cp -dpr /home/tom/server /home/tom/public_html it doesnt give me a command ability anymore, and just sits there waiting while it copies.. is there any way to get a progress bar?

<tommo89> brb

<frederick85> siccness: utorrent is the best in my opinion but it's only on windows, think it will work with wine?

<siccness> check winehq database, frederick85

<quail-laptop> brb

<siccness> tommo89: cp -dprg

<siccness> g = progress bar

<klepas> cpu cores : 1

<siccness> frederick85: Honestly though, I wouldn't be running wine just to use a damn torrent application. It's hardly worth it.

<klepas> gnome-system-monitor shows two,

<klepas> cat /proc/cpuinfo shows one

<klepas> i'm not running the smp kernel under dapper atm

<siccness> Heh

<tommo89> back

<frederick85> siccness: utorrent runs really well with wine and is only 170 kb

<pschulz01> Has anyone here setup a torrent 'server'?

<siccness> frederick85: Here's a cool list if you decide to experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software

<pschulz01> bfn..

<tommo89> siccness: are you sure 'g' works in cp? using cp -dprg i get an invalid option error

<siccness> well that's weird

<siccness> try, cp -dpr --progress

<tommo89> unrecognised option

<siccness> :|

<siccness> cp --help

<tommo89> it works with v? verbose tells me what its transferring, just not how far through it is

<siccness> yeah but that blows

<siccness> you want progress bar

<tommo89> haha

<siccness> and there should be an option in here

<siccness> *there

<tommo89> i looked in cp --help, no progress bar

<siccness> type cp --version?

<tommo89> 5.93

<siccness> cp (coreutils) 5.2.1 :|

<tommo89> :o

<siccness> debian rejected the progress bar for mv/cp

<siccness> that blows man

<tommo89> why didnt they like it?

<tommo89> too new-age? :)

<siccness> who knows, no reason was given

<siccness> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/64067

<tommo89> bugger

<tommo89> installing apache2 now

<siccness> Cool

<frederick85> progress bar? mv/cp?

<siccness> Yeah

<tommo89> how do i set up apache2 on ubuntu... its installed but i cant figure out a way to configure it, and my google searches are turning up nothing

<siccness> Debian/Ubuntu coreutils package, mv (move) and cp (copy) files don't incl. the option for progress bar (--progress/-g)

<siccness> tommo89: you prolly wont even need to conf it

<frederick85> siccness: maybe they are too lazy

<siccness> just: mkdir /home/username/public_html

<siccness> then put all your files in the public_html dir

<siccness> then access it via: http://YOUR_IP_ADDRESS/~username

<tommo89> siccness: you're right. well, partway. i can access it through the windows box's firefox, but when i put it into explorer it asks me for a user/password

<siccness> frederick85: Not really, because they would of removed it.

<frederick85> siccness: do you want a pointless bash script to list all the words in a website

<siccness> Explorer's useless.

<siccness> Not particularly, frederick85.

<siccness> tommo89: if it asks for a password, you could try root/password

<siccness> *root=username

<tommo89> i tried that, didnt work

<siccness> you can see the files?

<siccness> in firefox?

<tommo89> yup

<tommo89> but there are too many files to download individually

<siccness> ok

<siccness> heres what i'd do

<siccness> tar them up

<siccness> or download wget for windows

<tommo89> yeah

<tommo89> im having a bit of trouble figuring out tar

<tommo89> so ill see if i can get wget

<siccness> http://pages.interlog.com/~tcharron/wgetwin.html

<tommo89> hmm

<tommo89> a file 'f' was created on my public_html folder

<tommo89> with about 8 numbers in it

<tommo89> i hope its accidental and not some jerk trying to get all 'hackers 1997' on me

<siccness> Hmm

<siccness> <--useless with security

<tommo89> haha

<siccness> but a hacker to me is someone who breaks-in, notifies the user of the issue.

<tommo89> yeah i know, its why i put 'hackers 1997' instead of 'cracker'

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> Yeah, crackers are tools.

<purserj> okay the key to duocore seems to be using the generic kernel rather than the i386 which edgy in its wisdom installs

<siccness> whats generic kernel?

<cafuego> purserj: yes, failsafe

<purserj> siccness: linux-image-2.6.17-generic

<frederick85> Does anyone know how I can change the port settings on ubuntu

<siccness> ahh ubuntu

<cafuego> "the port settings"?

<cafuego> What does that mean?

<frederick85> cafuego: i don't even know

<siccness> for a specific application, frederick85 ?

<frederick85> torrent.

<siccness> under wine?

<frederick85> not under wine

<frederick85> azureus doesn't work either

<siccness> what application?

<frederick85> doesn't seem to connect to trackers

<siccness> ahh

<siccness> there'll be an option in the application to change port

<quail-laptop> back

<frederick85> siccness: is there a firewall installed on ubuntu

<siccness> I'm assuming so.

<quail-laptop> what have i missed while i have been setting a windows sharing

<frederick85> anyone know how I can edit my ubuntu firewall if there is one

<siccness> frederick85: is the GUI tool Firestarter installed?

<frederick85> siccness: installing it now

<siccness> that'd be the easiest way to go about it.

<siccness> quail-laptop: not much :)

<smidgey> netfilter suite is in ubuntu as default

<smidgey> ie iptables

<smidgey> firestarter is prob teh easiest way to configure it

* quail-laptop uses firestarter on laptop

<frederick85> i'm on a laptop too quail

<frederick85> ubuntu works well on it

<quail-laptop> :-)

<quail-laptop> i running edgy on my laptop

<siccness> I'll use a laptop one day, when they decide to bring out big bulky computer sized ones.

<quail-laptop> and soon will start the beta testing the next version of ubuntu

<frederick85> quail-laptop: i only use stable, AIGLX and Beryl worked fine on dapper

<quail-laptop> frederick85: edgy is now stable

<frederick85> yes i upgraded to edgy

<siccness> The effects of bad watercooling installation: http://www.putfile.com/steve910/images/41758

<frederick85> siccness: did you ever use a plf repository

<quail-laptop> siccness: haha poor bastard

<siccness> frederick85: no

<siccness> quail-laptop: It was his own fault for being stupid.

<quail-laptop> yeah i know

<quail-laptop> but still haha poor bastard

<siccness> Heh yeah

<cafuego> that's stupid about trying to boil water using a CPU?

<frederick85> You should use coolant instead

<frederick85> higher polarity

<siccness> ...

<cafuego> or not overclock but buy a higher rated cpu that doesn't run as hot (spend the $150 you saved on the water cooling kit)

<siccness> What kind of crappy watercooling unit are you getting for $150?

* cafuego only has an OEM fan

<siccness> :)

<siccness> Yeah, same

<siccness> Still does the job fine.

<siccness> 1.2GHz overclock

<cafuego> no idea what penis-cooling-kits cost ;-)

* cafuego doens't run overclocked; cpu is at 23°C atm

<siccness> 40C here

<quail-laptop> got to laugh at these people that overclock there pc's that much and need to set up refridgeration to keep there pc cool

<siccness> It's sad, quail-laptop.

<siccness> People just don't understand that all there efforts go into Overclocking

<cafuego> quail-laptop: Gentoo suers; coz otherwsie all that com;iling takes forever ;-)

<siccness> yet none of them ever use the power anyway

<siccness> Well 1.8 > 3.0, compiling firefox makes a massive different

<quail-laptop> hehe

<siccness> then you got blokes who spend $900 on a video card

<cafuego> hardly any users have any business compiling firefox

<siccness> and $60 on a PSU!

<frederick85> i'v got an onboard intel 82855

<quail-laptop> money would be better spent on getting a quad cpu system i think

<frederick85> works fine with aiglx

<siccness> Someone worked out that [on a particular system], compiling OO.o, it'd take 50 years, opening it twice a day to get the time back from compiling it

<frederick85> does the linux kernel 2.6.17 support systems like that

<quail-laptop> and put 4 xeon 3.6 cpus in it

<cafuego> siccness: Not including recompiling it a few times a year for updates.

<siccness> Heh yeah

<siccness> but the real question is

<quail-laptop> siccness: is that on a p166

<siccness> "why would you compile open office?

<siccness> "

<cafuego> poeple don't realise apps spend 99.9% of their time waiting for user input.

<siccness> quail-laptop: nah

<siccness> OO.o takes ages to compile on any box

<cafuego> and the other 0.1% in libc functions

* quail-laptop only compiles small things on laptop

<siccness> kernel compiling takes under 10mins

<siccness> which is cool

<quail-laptop> :-)

<siccness> speaking of which, i really should update

<frederick85> I keep getting a Nat error under azureus how can I fix it

<quail-laptop> port forwarding

<frederick85> I am behind a router, do I need to access it

<quail-laptop> yes

<frederick85> shit that was hard to do last time

<frederick85> tried for apache

<frederick85> didn't work

<cafuego> frederick85: Enable upnp on the router and in azureus.

<quail-laptop> and port forward the ports needed by azureus to your pc

<cafuego> upnp does that automagically

<frederick85> cafuego: how do i enable upnp on my router

<cafuego> frederick85: See if it has it, somewhere in its admin menu.

<cafuego> Mine is ancient and has it...

<siccness> anyone ever used theora?

<quail-laptop> what that

<siccness> vid codec

<quail-laptop> nope

<quail-laptop> sorry i mean nope i not used it

<siccness> i might have to encode something with it

<siccness> or just assume no one uses it cuz it sucks

<quail-laptop> hehe it could be abit that way

<frederick86> cafuego: IP Addresses|IP Routing|NAPT|DHCP|DNS|System are some options I have

<frederick86> how do I enable upnp in azureus

<Hit3k> god it took me three days but i did it

<Hit3k> I finally upgraded ubuntu via apt-get

<Hit3k> just gotta install it all now

<quail-laptop> mmm double strength marcona coffee for me in my ubuntu sleepless mug

<Hit3k> God I feel like an ass I downloaded the 6.06iso :|

<fildo> anyone here have knowledge on psybnc

*** _fildo is now known as fildo

<MistaED> http://element14.wordpress.com/2006/10/27/ubuntu-edgy-upgrades-a-disaster-for-many/ not good at all :(

<Hit3k> that guy has the same problem with me

<Hit3k> s/with/as

<quail-laptop> that guy is a spanner

<quail-laptop> my dist-upgrade to edgy went pretty ok as i only lost X and had to install the DE manually from terminal, then reboot and it was fine

* cafuego lost everyfing

<cafuego> yay

<quail-laptop> huh?

<ThePizzaKing> I had troubles with partitioning during the install

<quail-laptop> damn it getting cold

<cafuego> edgy completely failed to boot

<cafuego> had to boot an old kernel, mount stuff manually from the initrd image, chroot, fix up stuff.

<cafuego> Luckily that's not going to be too hard for most users.

* quail-laptop watches the wrc

<ThePizzaKing> it kept trying to turn one of my ext3 partitions into a swap

<cafuego> shiny

<Hit3k> god

<Hit3k> i cant even boot from an old kernel

<Hit3k> and X doesnt want to work and I dont know how to get it to work

<cafuego> Hit3k: nvidia?

<Hit3k> cafuego, yes :(

<cafuego> Hit3k: You disable the wrapper they decided top use

<Hit3k> how

<cafuego> Hit3k: edit /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video

<cafuego> put a # in front of each line.

<quail-laptop> Hit3k: you might need to sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

<cafuego> quail: the nvidia/fglrx wrapper is busted

<quail-laptop> or what every your DE is

<quail-laptop> oh

<Hit3k> I'll reboot in an hour or so when the iso is finished downloading

<Hit3k> in case i have to do a reinstall

<Hit3k> cafuego, i wont have to use onboard graphics will I because I dont exactly -have- onboard graphics

<cafuego> quail-laptop: I'm not certain why it was decided such a wrapper was needed, but whoever wrote it fucked it up quite badly and didn't test it apparently.

<quail-laptop> :-(

<Hit3k> in the words of siccness "It was shutz"

<siccness> Haha

<siccness> What did Shutz do this time?

<Hit3k> <cafuego> quail-laptop: I'm not certain why it was decided such a wrapper was needed, but whoever wrote it fucked it up quite badly and didn't test it apparently.

<cafuego> prolly has /bin/sh linked to absh and not dash or somesuch

<siccness> wrapper for what?

<Hit3k> /bin/sh > /dev/null

<cafuego> nvidia/nvida-legacy/fglrx

<siccness> Hmm

<siccness> I blame shutz

<Hit3k> see?

<cafuego> I have eggs, do you have an address?

<siccness> Yup

<siccness> Look for the idiot whering the spacemask at Googleplex

<Hit3k> you want to pick siccness up and go egg shutz?

<cafuego> seems like the right thing to do, huh?

<Hit3k> yeah

<siccness> yup

<quail-laptop> siccness: that not nice

<siccness> lol

<siccness> me and shutz go way back

<siccness> he knows im kidding

<Hit3k> hm

<cafuego> it's only fair in exchange for spending the next few months on irc helping hapless users access their BROKEN machines.

<siccness> ^^

<Hit3k> walk into canonical and yell "GENTOO RULES MOTHERFUCKERS" and run

* cafuego is going to demand a paycheck

<purserj> cafuego: but didn't you know, dash means you can save .000001 seconds on boot up!

* quail-laptop goes has a word to mark to join this channel

<purserj> and the call gentooers ricers

<cafuego> Mind you, the iBook is happy enough

<siccness> i hate that, people calling gentoo users ricers

<siccness> its stupid

* cafuego does a shopping list

<purserj> siccness: of course it is. Everyone one knows gentooers prefer the red "go faster" stripes on their cases

<siccness> none of us are putting body kits on our computer

<cafuego> siccness: Not physically.

<siccness> clearly

<siccness> but wheres the link?

<Hit3k> dont worry siccness they're just jealous that ubuntu takes a fucking week to boot

<cafuego> But recompiling libc6 with -O6 is the same as adding a massive (wind-resistance-increasing) wing.

<siccness> O6 heh

<quail-laptop> Hit3k: !language

<cafuego> "misguided" is perhaps the term I'm looking for :-)

<siccness> cafuego: so why not be referred as f1-ers?

<cafuego> siccness: Those blow up more often.

<cafuego> but are maintained by professionals ;-)

<siccness> uhh, ricers have turbos

<siccness> with bovs

<siccness> v8-ers i'm cool by

<siccness> but ill be damned if anyone refers to me as a ricer

<cafuego> you're such a ricer

<yama> siccness: ricer

* yama runs

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o siccness

<siccness> dont make me do it :)

<yama> whoops...

<cafuego> .. and now you're damned too ;-)

*** siccness sets mode: -o siccness

<yama> siccness: but seriously, I use Gentoo as well

<siccness> It's a nice distro

<yama> I dislike the 'ricer' tag, but I don't mind joking about it

<siccness> Yeah, of course.

<siccness> I don't really like badmouthing other distros

<siccness> other than FC

<siccness> because that just sucks

<yama> lindows deserves to be badmouthed

<siccness> Heh

<cafuego> siccness: I rest my case.

<siccness> :)

<MistaED> how fast (or slow) does gentoo take to boot?

<siccness> That question cannot be answered

<Hit3k> it goes from 0-100 in 3.5 seconds

<MistaED> fair enough, but could it compete with a fresh install of XP/ubuntu or is it considerably slower on same spec hardware?

<siccness> Well I find XP to boot quicker than any other OS I've used.

<Hit3k> ubuntu takes a week to boot

<siccness> Ubuntu is relatively slow on my old mans machine

<MistaED> grub to gdm for me on a fresh edgy is like 15-20 seconds, not too bad but it can improve still

<siccness> In terms of fresh install? The way I'd see it. XP > Gentoo > Ubuntu

<MistaED> nice

<siccness> But again, too many factors can change those positions easily.

<yama> siccness: you need to check out BeOS or Zeta. Now that's quick

<siccness> Didn't BeOS die?

<yama> we should be comparing ourselves to _good_ OSs, not second-rate ones

<yama> BeOS is now Zeta

<siccness> Ah

<yama> BeOS is still a good OS today

<yama> Zeta is even better

<yama> very quick, very stable

<siccness> Powerful?

<yama> yes

<yama> highly multithreaded

<yama> wonderful for multimedia

<yama> it had a BASH shell, too

<siccness> ../had/?

<yama> s/had/has/

<siccness> :)

<siccness> google-imaged "ZETA"..wow, Catherine Zeta is nice

<yama> but it is a GUI OS. I don't think it can operate without a GUI

<yama> there was a free version of BeOS 5 released. You should be able to dowenload that

<siccness> It looks pretty nice

<siccness> C:\ :|

<yama> some windows and mac concepts, but otherwise, it is ok

<yama> the BeOS 5 free version won't work well on latest hardware (since it is quite old now) but if you put it on an old machine or in a VM it'll be fine

<siccness> Won't happen then.

<Hit3k> C:\

<siccness> <--got no old box's lying around anymore

<Hit3k> C:\Dos

<Hit3k> C:\Dos Run

<yama> try vmware player

<Hit3k> fuck

<siccness> Not a bad idea

<siccness> Dos Run?

<Hit3k> brb gonna reboot

<Hit3k> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<siccness> I never understood that Dos Run thing, what the hell does it mean?

<MistaED> "see dos run"

<siccness> ..Hah. So when you install it on D:, it becomes "dee dos run".

<Hit3k> I am NEVER using ubuntu again

<smidgey> wtf

<DarkMageZ> he's suffering from dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy

<smidgey> lol

<smidgey> i am about to go through that

<DarkMageZ> better to backup the home directory and go for the clean install

<Hit3k> theres no point using dist-upgrade if it doesnt work

<DarkMageZ> the QA team has alot of questions to answer

<Hit3k> this isnt a very userfriendly update is it?

<DarkMageZ> stay with dapper, dapper is the LTS

<Hit3k> so?

<siccness> Hahaha

<siccness> 007 has gone down to wastage

<siccness> They should have held onto Brosnon longer, rather than let some D-grade actor do the job

<siccness> and then paid for some decent writers

<TheColonial> hello guys

<siccness> to write something that's not completely over the top and stupid.

<siccness> </siccs rant>

<quail-laptop> TheColonial: hi

<purserj> I thought Brosnan was a D grade actor

<siccness> He is

<TheColonial> does anyone know how to get the open gl libs isntalled? i'm trying to build some openGL code and i can't see to find where the opengl source lives :(

<siccness> but he's better than Daniel Craig

<quail-laptop> TheColonial: how you go with your desktop themes etc

<quail-laptop> TheColonial: try /usr/src

<TheColonial> quail-laptop: how do you mean? which theme do I use? - if so, then i'm using the default theme with a different desktop background image... but i'm getting bored of it quickly :)

<siccness> I still stand by the fact that "Goldeneye" is one of the best 007 films

<purserj> vs Never Say Never?

<quail-laptop> TheColonial: i was helping you the other night about themes

<siccness> purserj: hmm..

<TheColonial> quail-laptop: I dont think that was me mate :) unless someone else was using this name.

<siccness> i loved Dr No

<quail-laptop> oh

<siccness> Goldfinger was great

<TheColonial> but thanks for asking anyway :D

<quail-laptop> np

<siccness> What's your favourite, purserj?

<purserj> Never Say Never pretty much tops the list, anything with Connery, the rest have been pretenders

<siccness> thats not an official bond film

<siccness> so it cant included

<Hit3k_> The new bond films looks pretty damn average for a bond film

<siccness> Yeah, it looks appauling.

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<siccness> But

<siccness> the directory is good

<siccness> so you never know

<siccness> (driector

<siccness> *

<siccness> fuck

<TheColonial> hey guys, how do you change the group that a file is owned by?

<DarkMageZ> chgrp user file

<TheColonial> thanks, and how do i add groups?

<TheColonial> addgrp ? :P

<siccness> grpadd

<TheColonial> doh!

<TheColonial> so close :)

<TheColonial> thanks

<siccness> groupadd*

<siccness> although addgroup might work, ubuntu have adduser, so you never know.

<TheColonial> groupadd works :)

<TheColonial> so how do you add a user to a group?

<quail-laptop> it groupadd

<quail-laptop> and there addgroup too

<siccness> useradd -G [groupname] [user]

<siccness> but usermod

<siccness> i think

<siccness> yeah, usermod -G [group] [user]

<TheColonial> thank you

<quail-laptop> TheColonial: to find commands in terminal type the first couple letters and press tab a couple times

<siccness> lol

<TheColonial> hehe.. thanks mate ;) knew that one. just wanted to know what the commands were rather than fumbling a bit.

<quail-laptop> siccness: you think this page user friendly >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5601AWLMi/HowTo <<< i have done bit more work on it

<TheColonial> thanks guys.. gotta dash. see ya later.

<siccness> yup, only one quick suggestion (sorry)...

<quail-laptop> l8r TheColonial

<quail-laptop> siccness: yep

<quail-laptop> shoot

<siccness> "and insert this line", i think it'd be better like: "and insert the following line into the ServerLayout section"

<siccness> because that way they dont insert the line under Input Device, and then find out it goes under ServerLayout

<siccness> because you know how people dont actually read things, they see the code, they put it in and skip ahead

<quail-laptop> yep, kewl, i have editted the page

<siccness> Nice work mate :)

<quail-laptop> you got anymore suggestions

<siccness> Nah, the rest is top notch :)

<siccness> Very easy to read

<siccness> Layout is clean

<quail-laptop> :-) thx

<siccness> Heh, no need to thank me, just giving my opinion :)

<quail-laptop> i vas just thanking you for the compliment

<quail-laptop> s

<quail-laptop> haha the show southpark has bagged steve irwin

<siccness> im not an irwin fan

<siccness> but southpark is crap

<quail-laptop> ditto

<smidgey> i saw the episode today the bit is pretty insensitive

<quail-laptop> it was just on the news about it

<smidgey> i thought it was funny though

<quail-laptop> smidgey where are you?

<smidgey> toowoomba qld

<smidgey> i didn't see it on the tv :p

<quail-laptop> how did you see it

<smidgey> bittorrent

<quail-laptop> it was only released in the US today

<smidgey> don't normally get tv shows of the net

<smidgey> but this one was special

<quail-laptop> smidgey: how big the file

<smidgey> nah its about 2 days old

<smidgey> bout 150 meg

<quail-laptop> k

<smidgey> season 10 episode 11

<smidgey> piracy sensitive people shut your eyes

<smidgey> http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/hashtorrent/3546951.torrent/South.Park.S10E11.DSR.XviD.3546951.TPB.torrent

<quail-laptop> i not a southpark fan anyway

<smidgey> me either really

<smidgey> just got it to see if it was offensive

<smidgey> because i am a fan of offensive stuff

<quail-laptop> hehe

<siccness> piracy sensitive? No. Follow CoC please.

<quail-laptop> http://ubuntu.com/community/conduct

<siccness> heh, doesnt say anything about illegal files

<siccness> either way, dont post it thanks :)

<lucychili> kim doesnt believe that vegemite chinese steam buns is good fusion cooking

<lucychili> no imagination

<lucychili> =)

<quail-laptop> hehe

<frederick85> adhoc: what type of programming projects have you done before?

<lucychili> hes cooking

<adhoc> frederick85: all sorts

<quail-laptop> 19:13:45 up 18 days, 8:20, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.16, 0.07

<adhoc> smidgey: this isn't the place for that stuff

<frederick85> adhoc: have you done graphical interfaces in C before? Where can I learn a foundation in it? I don't mean in C I mean with a C library

<adhoc> frederick85: you mean the X windows libraries?

<frederick85> adhoc: Yes, or things like Qt and GTK

<adhoc> or do you mean something a little more high level like wxWindows?

<adhoc> ok, i would suggest learing something like wxWindows because it can display on GTK and QT and others natively

<frederick85> adhoc: I want to start from the bottom and move up, like programming a bitmap to produce a gradient or something

<frederick85> Like make RGB values in an unsigned int

<adhoc> it is supported by many languages like C, C++ and python and has good support in Ubuntu

<frederick85> what is wxWindows

<adhoc> it is like GTK in the sense that it is a toolkit for GUI apps

<adhoc> has windows, buttons, canvases etc as blobs you can use

<adhoc> might even contain gradients as types ...

<adhoc> if you want to go hardcore and use X windows canvas types and stuff get your hands on a copy of the O'Reilly Xlib books

<frederick85> adhoc: I want to try making a multi dimensional array and using this type of function make a Bitmap http://undergraduate.csse.uwa.edu.au/units/CITS1210/lectures/lecture12/03.html

<frederick85> adhoc: I want to understand the Binary level of Bitmaps

<frederick85> adhoc: does it make sense what i'm after"?

<adhoc> sort of

<adhoc> is that an assignment?

<adhoc> ok, what you could do is to make a basic wxWindows apps with a canvas

<adhoc> then you could probably manipulate the canvas directly with your set_rgb(r,g,b) stuff

<adhoc> thats the easiest way to display stuff

<adhoc> wxWindows is pretty easy to use for simple examples like this

<frederick85> adhoc: wxWindows is wxWidgets now?

<adhoc> faster than gtk or qt

<adhoc> frederick85: something like that, theres got to be howtos to code up simple apps in wxWindows or wxWidgets

<frederick85> adhoc: are you sure it has an implementation in C

<adhoc> should do, thats what i used in the 'old' days

<adhoc> its implmented in C++ IIRR

<adhoc> but its good ;)

<frederick85> adhoc: not sure if C++ libraries are compatible with C?

<frederick85> adhoc: are the object files picky like that

<adhoc> you just have to put the linking info in the headers

<adhoc> when you import the headers and therefore libraries the link know about how to mangle everything properly

<smidgey> siccness: lol i told u not to look ;)

<adhoc> smidgey: then don't

<adhoc> smidgey: someone more pickey than us would just ban you outright ...

<smidgey> i'm okay with that

<frederick85> adhoc: are object files written in C++ able to be linked to object files written in C>?

<adhoc> yes

<adhoc> of course you can =)

<adhoc> theres a flick on Jessie James on SBS

<smidgey> as in the porn star?

<smidgey> because that would be hawt

<adhoc> no

<Phlosten2> allo allo all

<smidgey> :(

<smidgey> history is not sexy :(

<quail-laptop> some mother do have em is a riot

<adhoc> the 'ledgend' of jessie james, as in the american of the south fighting the 'system'

<smidgey> yeah I know about that one too :(

<Phlosten2> whats happening all?

<frederick85> adhoc: i decided to learn GTK+

<quail-laptop> Phlosten: hiya mate, how are you?

<Phlosten2> quail, good, just enjoying a cold brew, hows yourself?

<quail-laptop> Phlosten2: i am watching Great Comedy Classics - Some Mothers Do 'ave 'em / Are You Being Served / George and Mildred / the Benny Hill Show

<Phlosten2> on the laptop at mother-in-laws place

<quail-laptop> and enjoying a long neck of pale ale

<Phlosten2> damn small keys

<quail-laptop> hehe

<quail-laptop> keys on my laptop are not that bad

<Phlosten2> not too bad, just not used the them

<Phlosten2> to

<quail-laptop> i think i can type bit fast on my laptop than my M$ wireless kbd

<Phlosten2> this a nice pioneer notebook, they do machines with ubuntu now :)

<quail-laptop> pioneer notebook?

<Phlosten2> pioneercomputers.com.au

* adhoc quite likes his Sony PS2 keyboard =)

<Phlosten2> heh, nice

<Phlosten2> i so need a notebook

<adhoc> came with the ps2, like the harddrive and ethernet and mouse =)

* lucychili rips out a few pages and hands them over

<quail-laptop> this looks nice >>> http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/products/info.asp?c1=3&c2=108&id=1739

<adhoc> careful that might be a water affected notepad

<adhoc> hi cafuego

<Phlosten2> a surprise? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/27/174238

<Phlosten2> heading home

<Phlosten2> cya soon asll

<siccness> YES

<siccness> BOURBON!

<siccness> <--So happy

* quail-laptop steals siccness bourbon and runs for the hills

<siccness> My birthdays coming up folks, I expect a slab of bourbon from each of you.

<quail-laptop> haha, i am poor

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> <--Poor too

<siccness> That's why I want bourbon haha

<quail-laptop> that my excuse and i am sticking to it

<siccness> You know what blows?

<siccness> Dan Murphy bottle shops

<siccness> Sure, they're cheap.

<quail-laptop> who that when he not at home

<siccness> But who the hell closes a bottle shop, at 8pm?

<siccness> ON A SATURDAY

<TheColonial> evening all.

<siccness> evening

<TheColonial> Guys, for some reason my OSS sound has just stopped behaving. and i have no idea why. could this have something to do with me installing vmware server?

<quail-laptop> TheColonial: wb

<TheColonial> quail-laptop: thanks :)

<TheColonial> and ALSO doesn't work (has never worked). where would be the first place to start looking to resolve these kinds of problems? any help would be appreciated.

<quail-laptop> huh?

<quail-laptop> what never worked

<TheColonial> ALSA :)

<siccness> *ALSA

<TheColonial> soz, typo

<TheColonial> any ideas? :(

<siccness> WHat's wrong? OSS stopped working?

<TheColonial> yes, OSS was working yesterday, but it's no longer working and i'm not sure why. i dont know when it stopped either. is there some way of attempting a forced restart?

<siccness> OSS is so old.

<TheColonial> well, i'm happy to use ALSA but that wasn't working from the start :(

<adhoc> yeah, is OSS even still in development?

<siccness> ALSA has an OSS layer anyway

<TheColonial> so other than alsa-utils, is there a package i need to install to begin configuration?

<siccness> Ok first things first, what sound card?

<TheColonial> it's on-board - let me get the name for you

<TheColonial> it's a Karajan Audio module

<TheColonial> comes with my DFI LANPARTY UT CFX3200-DR/G

<siccness> haha

<TheColonial> Realtek ALC882 8-channel High Definition Audio CODEC

<siccness> Yeah i know the board

<TheColonial> ok cool. i'll stop pasting specs ;)

<siccness> quick question, do you find DFI are unsupportive idiots?

<TheColonial> yes. and to answer your next question, i do regret buying the board :)

<siccness> :)

<siccness> yeah, i got lanparty ultra d

<TheColonial> had bad experiences with it?

<siccness> the fact that they changed the psu / ram info on the internet message board

<siccness> and not their actual site

<siccness> so people go out and buy their motherboards realising they now need to upgrade their psu

<siccness> before it fries ram modules

<TheColonial> yeah i heard about that ... rubbish innit

<siccness> the bigger problem is

<siccness> each motherboard manufacturar has problems

<siccness> so everytime i go to upgrade, i gotta do 300hrs of research

<siccness> to find out what issues are what not

<TheColonial> yeah i'm getting sick of doing that

<siccness> anyways

<siccness> back to your sound problem

<TheColonial> :)

<TheColonial> i'm downloading a stack of alsa packages at the mo

<TheColonial> should i be able to run something called alsaconf?

<siccness> uhm

<siccness> yeah, try running alsaconf

<TheColonial> can't find the command. and i have no idea what package it's part of

<siccness> alsa-utils

<TheColonial> apparently i have that already?

<TheColonial> "alsa-utils is already the newest version."

<siccness> hmm

<siccness> hang on

<TheColonial> ok

* siccness patiently holds off answering anything until someone here using ubuntu comes and helps LOL

<TheColonial> hehe :)

<siccness> ok

<siccness> alsaconf was removed

<TheColonial> right :)

* siccness scratches his head

* TheColonial does too

<siccness> wth is this crap

<TheColonial> i have no idea

<siccness> ok, type this: lsmod | grep snd

<TheColonial> right, i have a few

<TheColonial> looking for anything in particular?

<siccness> around 7?

<TheColonial> 9

<siccness> ok

<siccness> try this: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start

<TheColonial> * Setting up ALSA... [ ok ]

<siccness> ok

<siccness> try and play something

<TheColonial> i dont know if it can currently see my device - the volume control is still disabled, says there isn't anything working.

<TheColonial> perhaps i've dicked with the machine too much today? :) give me a mo to reboot.

<siccness> lspci | grep audio

<TheColonial> got nothing :(

<siccness> lol

<siccness> try rebooting

<TheColonial> ok..

<TheColonial> brb (thanks again dude)

<JonathanFerguson> Should I be root when Installing from the Repositories?

<JonathanFerguson> sudo apt-get install blah # OR # apt-get install blah

<adhoc> you need root, yes

<siccness> sudo

<JonathanFerguson> Thanks

<Hit3k> How would I add a CD/mounted ISO image to my repos

<siccness> cdrom:

<Hit3k> ah

<Hit3k> so

<Hit3k> deb cdrom:/mnt/cdrom/

<Hit3k> ?

<siccness> dunno :|

<siccness> apt-cdrom -d/mnt/cdrom add <--someone suggested that

<Hit3k> ok

<Hit3k> how do i go about burning using the command line

<Hit3k> I figured a fresh edgy install might be better for the system

<siccness> cdrdao

* Phlosten is back

<siccness> welcome back

<frederick85> how can you append a file a a cd with cdrdao

<siccness> how do you even append a cd in any app?

<Phlosten> bugger, been throttled :(

<frederick85> siccness: append to a cd I mean

<adhoc> siccness: use cdrecord

<adhoc> but only if you have not closed the CD

<quail-laptop> siccness: ping

<siccness> pong

<quail-laptop> can you look here again please >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5601AWLMi/HowTo

<siccness> of course

<siccness> Very nice :)

<fildo> hey can i upgrade wifi in notebook

<fildo> ?

<adhoc> fildo: is the wifi you have in a MiniPCI slot?

<fildo> cause im sick of this ipw2100 card

<fildo> yah i think so

<adhoc> the ipw2100 is supposed to be a good card?

* fildo cbf lookin for screw driver to pull case off

<siccness> Does ubuntu do anything right with that laptop, quail-laptop?

<siccness> It seems as if everything has to be done manually

<fildo> i got a toshbiha n/b m30 1.6

<quail-laptop> lol yeah now it does with edgy

<fildo> satelite thingy

<fildo> it works well with edgy

<fildo> everything., apart from wifi

<quail-laptop> but with edgy install the lrm never got installed

<fildo> but ive had issues with every distro

<siccness> That's pretty annoying, quail-laptop

<quail-laptop> that had to manually installed

<fildo> Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) :

<fildo> SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported.

<siccness> Another reason why I hate laptops :)

<fildo> i get that when i try n set a few options

<adhoc> fildo: i would recommend installing NetworkManager...

<fildo> its ridicilous

<quail-laptop> siccness: it a pain as i am tralling through hdds to find all my notes on howtos for my laptop

<adhoc> it worked really well on my unmangable broadcom

<fildo> narh its further then that, ive tried new drivers.. new firmware

<fildo> recompiling kernel mods

<fildo> im just over it,

<fildo> make has ipw2200

<fildo> works fine

<fildo> k =t

* fildo throws n/b

<adhoc> fildo: go have a look at the yawarra site for the senao card =)

<fildo> yawarra?

<adhoc> they sell wireless gear =)

<adhoc> like the Senao =)

<adhoc> and Wrap boareds

<adhoc> boards

<adhoc> fildo: what you got for an AP ?

<fildo> linksys0r

<fildo> gone thru a couple

<adhoc> a WRT?

<fildo> n im not even happy with it

<fildo> ya

<adhoc> i'm quite happy with the wrt54g =)

<fildo> i have gl

<adhoc> installed openwrt rc5 on ut

<fildo> =)

<adhoc> 'tis good.

<fildo> whats that

<fildo> ?

<adhoc> except that WEP in client mode doesn't work

<adhoc> OpenWRT is a linux distro for it

<adhoc> www.openwrt.org

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<adhoc> you can ssh to it and tinker =)

<fildo> ah u flash it

<adhoc> yes

<adhoc> upload the firmware from teh WebUI

<fildo> can u flash it back ?

<fildo> yeh i guess u can

<fildo> from original vendor

<fildo> which package

<fildo> is it

<fildo> whiterussian rc5

<adhoc> yes, thats what i've got installed on the R100 too

<rob_melb> adhoc: just found a wl-hdd

<rob_melb> playtime

<adhoc> =)

<adhoc> rc5 for you?

<quail-laptop> i've been invited to a party with hot chicks, crazy DJ's wicked VJ's and lots of beer, but only prob it in Germany :-(

<siccness> LOL

<siccness> thats better than my invite to "Rob and Sam's Party"..yeah, 2 naked homosexuals inviting me to some party via email.

<siccness> I'll be there in no time.

<quail-laptop> my mate in germany invited me, i said you pay the air fare i be there

<cafuego> que?

<quail-laptop> who que?

<adhoc> fildo: go join #openwrt

<cafuego> germany in winter ain't great ;-)

<quail-laptop> getting there

<adhoc> cafuego: cold wet?

<cafuego> and full of germans

<quail-laptop> germany gets snow :-)

<adhoc> cafuego: ah

<cafuego> quail-laptop: soemtimes, yeah

<quail-laptop> where my friend lives he get lot of snow there

<cafuego> but you know, snow is just sludge that's not dirty yet ;-)

<cafuego> ah, the south then. bavaria?

<adhoc> cafuego: which bit of nl was home?

<cafuego> adhoc: 'Dinxperlo'.

<adhoc> um

<cafuego> where the main street is the german border

<adhoc> wheresay?

<adhoc> wheresat?

<cafuego> center-east

<adhoc> ok

<cafuego> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Dinxperlo,+Aalten+(Gelderland),+Netherlands&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=51.861652,6.488628&spn=0.062229,0.195179&t=h&om=1

<purserj> hmm, its not far from Bochum in Germany. My father in law is from there

<cafuego> just down the autobahn

<cafuego> well, "not far" by aussie standards

<cafuego> half the width of the country by dutch standards

<siccness> lol

<siccness> Well said mate ;)

<adhoc> cafuego: so green

<cafuego> adhoc: the land? yeah... all grass (dairy), corn (winter fodder) and forest.

<cafuego> Just wait until you do Ireland, that's FAR greener :-)

<siccness> Wow, that was pretty quick. 8mins to compile 2.6.18

<pschulz01> siccness: With modules?

<siccness> a few yeah

<pschulz01> siccness: cool!

<siccness> 9mins actually

* cafuego spies his uncle's dairy herd in the field behind his parents house <heh>

<cafuego> and the parental horses

<adhoc> =)

<cafuego> 2 foals

<cafuego> that would make the pics 3 years old I think

<siccness> now, whos developed a special intelligent way of switching to new kernel without rebooting? anyone? :P

<cafuego> siccness: run it in xen

<siccness> :|

<quail-laptop> cafuego: my friend in a town called ilmenau

<purserj> cafuego: the trip between sydney and wollongong would take you across Holland

<siccness> how long is that trip?

<cafuego> purserj: yup

<purserj> about 100ks

<siccness> is that it?

<purserj> yup

<siccness> lol

<siccness> thats like 1hr trip

<purserj> well two hours by train

<siccness> yea but trains suck

<purserj> but 1 hour by car

<cafuego> quail-laptop: You know

<cafuego> quail-laptop: I drove past there last June

<Andropopolips> Evening everyone

<quail-laptop> cafuego: kewl

<siccness> Evening Andropopolips.

*** david__ is now known as Davo_Dinkum

<cafuego> quail-laptop: diving from Erfurt to Frankfurt toc atch a train, as fara s I can tell, he lives on the edge of a large untouched (east german) mountain range.

<Andropopolips> Hey siccness, are you sick, by any chance?

<Davo_Dinkum> Hi peeps.

<cafuego> well, aprt from the mining in the middle ages (silver mainly I expect)

<siccness> Nope.

* purserj would like to tour northern europe some day

<Andropopolips> ah, right, I just assumed by the name

<siccness> I wouldn;t

<siccness> I wanna go to Canada

<Davo_Dinkum> Edgy kick ass!!!

<siccness> Andropopolips: Heh, yeah, just a stupid nickname really.

<quail-laptop> cafuego: he in about the middle of germany

<cafuego> yup

<Andropopolips> lol

<Andropopolips> I can't talk

<Andropopolips> <--------that doesn't even mean anything

<cafuego> REALLY pretty out there, old medieval farming villages etc

<purserj> siccness: Canadas nice and all but Europe has history

<siccness> I was about to question yours, Andropopolips. But I figured it proabblky means nothing

<Andropopolips> I think I made it up when I was like 8

<siccness> purserj: History? Man, as if I care about history.

<siccness> I'm a youth

<siccness> We only care about cool stuff!

<Davo_Dinkum> Speak for yourself

<Andropopolips> true

<purserj> the 30 years war tour would be sweet

<siccness> More sarcasm, Davo_Dinkum :)

<siccness> History is cool

<Davo_Dinkum> Speedcubing is cool :P

<siccness> but Europe just isn't me.

* cafuego was on the A71 (autobahn) which runs just north of Ilmenau

<Andropopolips> damn a 715MB iso takes a long time to download

<siccness> I just love the sound of Canada, being a country very similar to Australia, but colder weather.

<Andropopolips> pft

<Andropopolips> it says it's gonna take like 3 hours

<cafuego> siccness: I think it wants to be the USA a bit less than Australia does

* Andropopolips snores

<Davo_Dinkum> What is your download speed?

<siccness> I'm not sure about that cafuego

<siccness> Oh yeah

<siccness> yeah sorry

<Andropopolips> 512

* cafuego would guess "slow"

<siccness> I misread, cafuego

<cafuego> siccness: ;-)

<Andropopolips> but it gets a little higher for some reason....

<siccness> One of the main reasons I want to go there

<Andropopolips> I don't know how that can happen....

<siccness> They love their beer/bbqs in Canada, cafuego

<Andropopolips> very strange

<cafuego> siccness: they call it beer, yes

<quail-laptop> cafuego: here is a pic from my friends balcony in germany >>> http://matrix.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/~elgono/phunpix/panorama002.jpg

<Davo_Dinkum> They love their guns too.

<siccness> No they dont

<cafuego> they club baby seals!

<siccness> They use their guns for purposes

<siccness> they dont shoot eachother

<cafuego> now if the shot yanks...

<Davo_Dinkum> They see them as tools and not weapons.

<siccness> Yeah

<Davo_Dinkum> If they shots yanks they would need about 300 million bullets

<cafuego> quail-laptop: Yeah, that mountain you see contains some sort of world heritage listed area

<siccness> 150 million, canadians can kill two people with one bullet. That's how good they are.

* Davo_Dinkum whistles

<Davo_Dinkum> Nice.

<cafuego> who said anything about people? I said yanks.

<Davo_Dinkum> Big difference three siccness.

<siccness> lol

* cafuego is a bad man

<siccness> We better keep it down, elkbuntu is about to become a yank in 2 weeks time.

<Davo_Dinkum> F*** this pic is big.

<Davo_Dinkum> Getting a green card ey?

<cafuego> siccness: voluntarily?

<Andropopolips> yeah, I started to open it but gave up pretty damn quickly

<siccness> cafuego: Yup.

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm surprised Edgy has Firefox 2 on it.

* cafuego calls for a revolution

<siccness> She's just there for googleplex/shuttleworths "look how rich i am"

<Davo_Dinkum> Pretty good timing there.

<Davo_Dinkum> How do I unblock people in Gaim?

<siccness> Tried right mouse clicking?

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah, no options there.

<siccness> lol

<siccness> good point

<siccness> install windows, unblock, uninstall windows, come back to linux :|

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah righ

* Davo_Dinkum deletes and adds buddy

<Davo_Dinkum> WTF? My buddy is still blocked.

<siccness> yea

<Davo_Dinkum> It's done on the server, dammit.

<Tatey> Tools > Privacy

<Davo_Dinkum> Is there a GPL IM service?

<siccness> Tatey is right

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: Yes, Jabber

<purserj> umm define IM?

<Davo_Dinkum> Thanks Tatey.

<Davo_Dinkum> IM=Instant Messaging.

<siccness> yes but define it

<siccness> irc is a form of IM

<purserj> yup and there are many GPL client/servers for irc

<purserj> GAIM is a gpl IM application as well

<Davo_Dinkum> Jabber! That's it. I was thinking of ICQ.

<Tatey> IRC isn't IM

<Tatey> IRC is IRC :P

<Davo_Dinkum> I know.

<Tatey> I'm saying to siccness :P

<cafuego> isn't irc like icq?

<purserj> The service itself isn't GPL though. Its available as an open standard

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah that's what I meant.

<Davo_Dinkum> Is there a more "free" or "open" service that Jabber?>

<purserj> hmm lets see, I can talk in channels (conferencing) Private message people, transfer files, yup irc is an IM

<Tatey> it might be "like" an IM, just like Linux is "like" Windows

<Davo_Dinkum> You mean GNU+Linux.

<siccness> Tatey: /form/

<siccness> it still is an IM

<cafuego> irc was an IM before IM existed - huzzah! Patent it!

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: I'm not aware of any other "Free" or "Open" service

<siccness> everything you can do in MSN, you can still do in IRC

<siccness> so im not sure where the difference is

* cafuego takes over siccness's PC with a worm

<purserj> there isn't one

<Tatey> IRC > MSN

<Davo_Dinkum> IM is more popular among non-geeks

<Tatey> I really don't like MSN that much, never have. I prefer IRC

<Davo_Dinkum> IRC was invented in 1988

<siccness> thats because non-geeks dont know how to use IRC

<Davo_Dinkum> Probably.

<Davo_Dinkum> IM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_messaging

<cafuego> siccness: you use it exactly like icq

<siccness> isn't ICQ the same as MSN?

<siccness> except your recognised by a rediculously stupid number

<Davo_Dinkum> No, different organisation behind it.

<cafuego> siccness: Yes, just like IRC, except privately owned.

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah the number thing is annoying.

<siccness> What are we arguing here? if we are arguing?

<Tatey> ICQ was one of the original IM's along with AIM

<Davo_Dinkum> AOL blows.

<siccness> LOL

<Tatey> ICQ was the "big" thing then MSN was released

<siccness> I used ICQ for about 2 years I think, going back awhile.

<Tatey> I still remember my number

<Tatey> 55447736

<siccness> mine was like 553

<siccness> or 53, i dunno

<Tatey> one of my mates had like a 6 digit number

<siccness> or maybe it was 3

<siccness> I received my first trojan via ICQ

<siccness> someone said "check this .exe out"

<siccness> so i opened it, nothing happened

<Tatey> LOL

<siccness> ahh the days of complete dickheads.

<Tatey> owned

<siccness> i was like 10 man :P

<Tatey> "Uh-Oh!"

<siccness> not "uh-oh". I only just realised it was a trojan about 2 years ago :P

<cafuego> when I was ten, the school had a (one, count 'em: 1) computer

<siccness> we had only one at our primary school, we used it to find out who shot mr burns

<Davo_Dinkum> What computer was it?

<cafuego> Davo_Dinkum: a Philips P2000T

<Davo_Dinkum> I have no idea what that is.

<siccness> LOL

<purserj> heh my first school computer was an Apple IIe. I managed to completely bork it by overwriting a system file

<siccness> lol

<cafuego> it has a BASIC interpreter and a microtape drive

<Davo_Dinkum> I think my first school computers had win3.1 on them

<siccness> Ahh the fun days. I'll miss the days of waking up at 9am, going to school, sleeping for 2hrs, ...wait, still do that.

<cafuego> http://computermuseum.50megs.com/brands/p2000.htm

<siccness> 2.5MHz?

<cafuego> "Searching for a program and saving to an empty spot on the tap went fully automatic."

<Davo_Dinkum> I also remember using an older computer that had a green monitor

<Davo_Dinkum> Green and black were the screen's only colours.

* cafuego used a green screen all the way through uni; serial terminal on the house linux box :-)

<cafuego> it could also do BOLD green

<Davo_Dinkum> "High-priced" is a feature?

<siccness> lol

<siccness> wth is a guilder?

<siccness> Word Processor came to 265 guilders.

<cafuego> siccness: pre-Euro dutch monetary unit; born as florin; then daalder (where your DOLLAR comes from); then guilder.

*** yama is now known as yama_away

* cafuego mocks your lack of obscure historic knowledge

<siccness> Listen to the radio, dont you remember, we built this city, we built this city on rock n roll!

<purserj> cafuego: could have been worse, we could have an economy based on tulips

<siccness> I'll have me a rubee!

<siccness> Change the subject :|

<cafuego> purserj: there's good eatin' on those

* cafuego must ... watch ... tv ... or ... else

<Davo_Dinkum> How many drachmas is that?

<cafuego> Davo_Dinkum: No idea, 20-ish?

<cafuego> south of the alps huh? 200 perhaps.

<frederick85> Davo_Dinkum: did you get that ebook

<cafuego> 154.62560863271483089880 in fact

<Davo_Dinkum> frederick85: I didn't check

<Davo_Dinkum> What address did I give you?

<siccness> I think I might be buying my first book of all time!

<Davo_Dinkum> just give me the first 4 letters

<siccness> "Ice Station" by Mathew Reilly.

<Davo_Dinkum> What book siccness?

<Davo_Dinkum> Ah^^^

<frederick85> What is Xen used for?

<Davo_Dinkum> Virtual Machine

<siccness> virtual machine

<Davo_Dinkum> It's wawy too hard to install though.

<Davo_Dinkum> *way

<frederick85> yeh, looked pretty tricky

<Davo_Dinkum> I tried to install it once. I had to recomile linux I think.

<siccness> linux or kernel?

<siccness> :)

<Davo_Dinkum> Both!

<Tatey> I compile Linux once a day

<Davo_Dinkum> Why?

<frederick85> how do I remove my older linux kernels

<Tatey> I'm kidding Davo_Dinkum :P

<Tatey> frederick85: you just remove their images from /boot

<siccness> and then remove the lines from /boot/grub/grub.conf file

<Tatey> FF2 <3

<Davo_Dinkum> Pity my wireless card *still* isn't detected in Edgy.

* Davo_Dinkum rolls eyes

<Tatey> what wireless chipset?

<siccness> Tatey: What xorg version you running?

<Davo_Dinkum> xorg version? Dunno

<siccness> thats ok, i wasnt asking you :P

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh

<Davo_Dinkum> Tatey: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)

<Davo_Dinkum> According to lspci that is.

<Tatey> siccness: 7.1

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: it should be fully supported out of the box

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: I take it, this is a laptop?

<Davo_Dinkum> Yup. Thinkpad R32

<Tatey> Centrino?

<Davo_Dinkum> Nope.

<frederick85> siccness: I don't have a file in /boot/grub/grub.conf

<Davo_Dinkum> R32 is old school: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R32

<Tatey> frederick85: it'd be an entry in the file

<Tatey> frederick85: why do you want to remove an old kernel image?

<siccness> menu.lst sorry

<Tatey> that's right, Gentoo is grub.conf, Ubuntu is menu.lst

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: it should defintely be supported

<siccness> they're linked, i believe, Tatey

<Davo_Dinkum> Well, the card is detected and installed, but I can't get it to connect to my WLAN.

<siccness> yeah

<siccness> menu.lst -> grub.conf

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: use GNOME Network Manager

<Tatey> only way to do wireless network on Linux, imo

<purserj> Tatey: I've always found cl the best way to deal with wireless

<Tatey> purserj: I'm lazy, I'd prefer to click a box :P

<Tatey> network manager takes care of everything for you

<frederick85> thanks, got ride of those older kernels

<frederick85> rid*

<Davo_Dinkum> Is this network manager?: http://tinyurl.com/yl5w5x

<Tatey> nope

<Tatey> http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/

<siccness> i got 4 kernels :|

<Tatey> I'm pretty sure in Ubuntu all you need to do is $ apt-get install network-manager-gnome

<siccness> id remove them but 5mb doesnt mean much

<siccness> add sudo infront, Tatey :P

<Tatey> err yea, sudo

<Davo_Dinkum> Tatey: Oh I thought it was installed by default

<Davo_Dinkum> Tatey: how big is it?

<Tatey> siccness: why did you ask what version of Xorg I had?

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: I'm not sure, not very big off memory

<Davo_Dinkum> under 5mb?

<siccness> because i read somewhere that FF2 required 7.1 or something stupid

<siccness> but i scratched my eyes thinkin "that cant be right"

<Tatey> that's BS

<siccness> indeed

<Tatey> FF2 doesn't have any dependancies on Xorg

<Davo_Dinkum> Sweet it's like <3mb.

<siccness> Tatey: Yah

<siccness> so now i gotta work out why this isnt compiling

<Tatey> I thought Xorg 7.1 was marked as stable for Gentoo?

<Tatey> don't tell me it still isn't?

<siccness> nah i believe it is

<siccness> bah i havent upraded

<siccness> *but

<Tatey> takes too long?

<Tatey> you'll probably break something too :P

<siccness> Both

<Davo_Dinkum> how do i open networkManager now?

<Tatey> yea.. now you see why I ditched Gentoo

<siccness> I broke it last time doing modular

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: after you install the package, you can launch it with alt + f2 nm-applet --sm-disable

<siccness> Still running 6.8.2 :|

<Davo_Dinkum> Tatey: I tried that, nothing came up.

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: there's probably some service that needs restarting

<Tatey> just try restarting your computer

<Davo_Dinkum> Really?

<Davo_Dinkum> Will it pop up in the notification area all nice and easy like?

<Tatey> yes

<Tatey> it's suppose to

<siccness> I'm thinkin of going to Arch, Tatey

<siccness> but I wanna setup a dualboot first

<Davo_Dinkum> mmmmmmmmmmmmkay ill try that

<siccness> Pacman good, Tatey?

<Tatey> siccness: I was a huge advocate for Gentoo. I liked many aspects of Gentoo, mostly because it was light-weight and it felt "free". Packages were always up-to-date and the community was great. Eventually I noticed that packages were no longer as "bleeding-edge" as they use to be, and I was unmasking so many packages. Eventually, it became a nightmare to maintain a Gentoo system, and then the long compile times really got to me. Arch feel

<Tatey> siccness: I love pacman, it's easy as to use

<Tatey> once you get your head around the basic's of Arch, you will wonder why you hadn't used it previously

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: let us know how it goes mate :)

<siccness> Tatey: Ah ok

<siccness> Yeah I know how you feel on gentoo

<siccness> It irritates me sometimes

<frederick85> what's arch

<siccness> a linux distro

<Davo_Dinkum> GNU+Linux!

<Davo_Dinkum> back soon

<Tatey> siccness: Gentoo devs take AGES to mark packages as stable, GNOME 2.16 won't be stable for another few months. I bet you

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> 2.12.2 here :P

<Tatey> you should *never* be afraid to upgrade your system

<siccness> Oh I'm not afraid

<siccness> It's more the fact "Uhh download limit"

<Tatey> a GNOME install with Arch and Xorg will be about 250-300MB

<siccness> Yup

<siccness> Now, 500mb left til end of month :)

<siccness> I need my adult related videos too man, jeez :P

<Tatey> siccness: imo, you're better off waiting until the release of Voodoo (0.8)

<siccness> How long off?

<Tatey> siccness: few weeks I'd imagine

<siccness> Yup, I can deal with that

<Tatey> I only suggest so because there are a few fundamental changes to Arch. Like, essentially, it doesn't matter what version you start with, it's rolling-release. The versions don't refer to maturity, just a bunch of packages at that time

<siccness> yup

<siccness> arch community good?

<Tatey> yes, it's rather knowledagable and generally helpful. No where near the size of the Gentoo community. At the same time, it isn't run over by stupid nubs

<siccness> heh

<siccness> gentoo is great, but you get the occasional "i know everything so ill say RTFM"

<Tatey> one thing you'll find lacking is documentation. It's not up to scratch in most area's, there aren't really and doco maintainers. That said, once you've figured out the basics it all pretty much makes logical sense and you can figure everything out. There is an IRC channel #archlinux and a mailing list + the forums

<siccness> yea thats cool

<Tatey> that's probably the biggest reason why there is no doco, most of the people are competant enough to figure it out

<Tatey> I think you'll be impressed with the speed, simplicty and bleeding-edgeness of Arch

<siccness> im still big on docos tho

<Tatey> siccness: in all seriousness, I can easily help you out, and I'd be more than happy to

<siccness> ah sweet. I won't bother you too much tho, I know how to google first before asking :)

<Tatey> you can do a basic install (think stage3) in about 10 minutes. From there, it's just a matter of installing GNOME and Xorg using the package manager and you're pretty much done :P

<Tatey> siccness: I don't mind :)

<siccness> Nice

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: how did it go?

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm just going to turn on my wireless router now.

<siccness> Tatey: Quick question, why did you move away from Ubuntu?

* Davo_Dinkum puts laptop battery in

<Tatey> siccness: I still use Ubuntu on my other boxes, I'm actually thinking about converting my Arch fileserver to Ubuntu

<siccness> Ah fair enough

<siccness> but you're using arch on this box?

<Tatey> but in response to your question, Ubuntu is "too" old. I'm not a big fan of periodic releases. Ubuntu is also rather slow, compared to Arch

<siccness> :)

<Tatey> yea, I use Arch on my main box

<Tatey> I've converted my father and mate over to Ubuntu

<Tatey> converting my mates GF to Ubuntu next week

<Tatey> just, I love to tweak the shit out of my system, and I don't feel Ubuntu offers that flexibilty. Like, when you compile a package from source. Where does it go?

<Tatey> Arch has this thing called "ABS" which is the Arch Build System that EASILY allows you to create custom packages and track them with the package manager

<Tatey> therefore, you never have a package left astray

<siccness> Oo, I'm no fan of ABS, I find it *brakes* too easily :P

<Tatey> lol, you haven't used it?

<siccness> sigh, dont make me explain that 'attempt at humour' :)

<Tatey> oh, hah :P

<siccness> :)

<Tatey> siccness: antoher example is Beryl. Beryl was announced and INSTANTLY a dev made a package for it and chucked up in the repo. While everyone else is going through these stupidly long steps to install beryl, I just go $ sudo pacman -S beryl-svn and bang, I've got Beryl

<siccness> yeah thats pretty damn cool

<siccness> im still able to download packages from tafe, bring them into a directory, rather than having to download it from home using my bandwidth, yes?

<Tatey> yeap

<siccness> Beautiful

<Tatey> just grab the packages from the mirrors, chuck them in like /var/cache/pacman and when you go to install that package it'll search the cache first, before searching the WWW

<siccness> sweeet

<Tatey> I usually update once a week (~100mb)

<siccness> whats the equivalent of updating world?

<Tatey> some weeks it might be 20mb, others might be 200mb depends what's updated

<Tatey> # pacman -Syu

<Tatey> that's it :P

<siccness> shit thats simple

<Tatey> S for install, y for update, u for upgrade

<Davo_Dinkum> Tatey: still having trouble

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: does the applet work at all?

<Davo_Dinkum> Yeah

<Tatey> and it's not connecting?

<Tatey> what form of encryption are you using?

<Tatey> try turning off encryption and see if it works then?

<Davo_Dinkum> None (for now)

<Tatey> oh, and it's not working still?

<Davo_Dinkum> nope.

<Tatey> have you checked the Ubuntuforums for your wireless adpater?

<siccness> yeah I wouldn't really be recommending that :|

<Tatey> why for?

<siccness> The Ubuntu Forums suck man

<Tatey> my mate has a Dell laptop, with the ipw2200 chipset and I simply install network manager and it works

<Tatey> same with my iBook

<siccness> You can't get a simple answer from them :|

<siccness> and when you do, it's more often than ever incorrect

<Tatey> I've found the UbuntuForums to be a pretty good resource, tbh

<Tatey> it depends what you're searching for though, I suppose

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> Each to their own, I guess :)

<Tatey> I still search for stuff on the Gentoo forums sometimes, mostly because there's so much knowledge there

<siccness> Yeah

<siccness> I love Gentoo documentation

<siccness> I find it to be of great help

<Tatey> it's really gown downhill though, compared to 2-3 years ago

<siccness> probably because you get more and more people going over to gentoo asking stupid questions

<Tatey> yea, and the "LOL I LEFT GENTOO AND NOW I'M BACK LOL"

<siccness> like "whats portage? whats emerge?"

<siccness> best response "What's google?" "a search engine" "so use it dickhead"

<Davo_Dinkum> wtf is "Temporary failure in name resolution"?

<siccness> host name?

<domibel> dns problem

<Tatey> Davo_Dinkum: usually DNS related

<Davo_Dinkum> on IRC?

<Tatey> unless you're connecting to a direct IP, you're using DNS to resolve an IP

<Tatey> it could also mean that IRC server is down

<siccness> I'm assuming you cannot connect to irc server?

<Davo_Dinkum> i cant connect to irc.freenode.net (on my oth