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<brohan> apple didn't tell adobe in time that they were switching to intel macs, so adobe couldn't port cs2 or make the cs3 release in time

<brohan> thus if you want to do design work on a new mac, you need to run windows

<brohan> or buy a ppc

<ZeN> uh

<ZeN> I build generic macs, you know

<ZeN> use the cracked intel OSX

<ZeN> on a normal PC

<ZeN> and CS2 installs fine

<aohell> ohh i see. i don't really follow design stuff.

<brohan> hum..

<brohan> aohell: that's the primary use of a mac in industry

<brohan> or.. an industry that has a high use of macs

<aohell> yeah i know that.

<brohan> but the arch change really hit designers hard

<Qew> that link on xubuntu.org that points to a "final stable ISO", is that expected to be the official release or are there unexpected changes stopping it from being so... or is the decision just late?

<aohell> im just happy we got like 4/5 macs and some laptops at the job

<aohell> all our workstations are dual xeons 3.6 with dual cores

<brohan> nice

<brohan> I need to actually *use* a mac sometime

<aohell> i do but its only to reformat them and set it up :)

<brohan> heh

<aohell> none of the macs join the domain. its only dhcp

<aohell> seems theres a lot of problems

<brohan> uh oh, we got you started :o

<aohell> :)

<T`2> does edgy have xgl inbuilt?

<brohan> I'm pretty sure not

<brohan> xubuntu certanily wont

<T`2> hmm oh.. compiz?

<T`2> i thought there was opengl wackery coming to edgy.. hm

<brohan> it should be easier to do under edgy

<T`2> gotcha... man i can't wait for that bug to be fixed

<T`2> so i can upgrade to edgy :)

<MattJ> Anyone here had luck with compositing in Xubuntu?

<crimsun> works fine here.

<MattJ> crimsun, how?

<crimsun> err, how?

<MattJ> and... in edgy?

<crimsun> yes, in Edgy

<MattJ> How... I mean, I've seen several methods

<crimsun> well, the i810 drivers work fine w/ the X server, which has AIGLX and composite loaded by default

<MattJ> And Xfce detects that automatically?

<crimsun> then I secondary-click Settings> Window Manager Tweaks> Compositor> Enable display compositing ...

<MattJ> I don't have the compositor tab

<crimsun> just change something in the Window Manager Tweaks portion

<crimsun> it's an Xfce bug; see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2006-October/002243.html

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<brohan> YAY!

* brohan starts moshing

<MattJ> Great, thanks :)

<MattJ> I'll just relogin

<ArthurBrazil> sweet

<aohell> Whoa!

<aohell> download/shower time :P

<MattJ> Woah

<MattJ> That didn't look pretty :)

<MattJ> wierd lines all over my screen

<crimsun> your X driver may be wonky

<MattJ> It's the fglrx driver from the reps

<MattJ> ATI ^^

<crimsun> the fglrx drivers have issues

<MattJ> http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=2703.msg11656

<MattJ> Yep, seems so :/

<MattJ> All but compositing is working, and after reading that thread I don't feel like it's worth the endless round of drivers again

<MattJ> I had that on dapper

<JKnife> OMFG... i just found out about the TCPA

<mortal5> does anyone know if they fixed the cdrecord bug in xubuntu with 6.10?

<mortal5> sry I dropped

<mortal5> have they fixed the cdrecord bug in 6.1?

<crimsun> the ... what?

<mortal5> the cdrecord bug

<mortal5> with 6.06 i couldn't burn a cd until i recompiled cdrecord from vanilla sources

<crimsun> right, there are a few hundred at least. Which one in particular?

<mortal5> crimsun, are you running 6.1?

<crimsun> Release: 6.10

<mortal5> what v of cdrec

<crimsun> 2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2

<mortal5> ty

<mortal5> 2.01.01a01

<mortal5> hmm

<mortal5> 'they might have fixed it

<crimsun> you haven't precisely mentioned what the bug is...

<JKnife> crimsun: have you seen the TCPA?

<crimsun> I've read about it

<mortal5> crimsun, it's been a while since i've burnt a cd

<JKnife> ok

<mortal5> crimsun, where can i find the release notes on 6.1?

<crimsun> mortal5: wiki/EdgyReleaseNotes

<mortal5> crimsun, can't find it

<mortal5> does it have most of the new core features that ubuntu has?

<crimsun> mortal5: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes

<JKnife> it is 6.10 not 6.1... =P

<crimsun> (obviously the GNOME-specific portions don't apply)

<mortal5> right

<mortal5> but the new boot schema, firefox, ...that photo viewr?

<crimsun> the new photo viewer is gnome-specific, but you sure can install it if you wish

<crimsun> the others, yes

<mortal5> i see

<crimsun> remember that we share the same base and the same repositories.

<mortal5> so worth the update eh?

<crimsun> you probably should get a less-biased opinion ;-)

<mortal5> lol

<crimsun> as a dev, the answer would be, "Use what makes sense."

<mortal5> well, did you just update via the updater, or install via the iso?

<crimsun> I netbooted this machine with Hoary, dist-upgraded to Breezy->Dapper->Edgy via apt-get, and

<crimsun> s/, and//g

<Aero> okay, so...

<Aero> i started 6.06->6.10 upgrade before i noticed the message on xubuntu.org

<Aero> since it has helpfully notified me that i won't be able to cancel it... :P

<Aero> and i'd rather not be left with an unbootable system <_<

<Aero> any suggestions?

<mortal5> Aero, you're doomed....Dooooooomed

<crimsun> then just stop the upgrade.

<mortal5> :^)

<Aero> again, the upgrade has informed me that it cannot be stopped once begun, and verily, begun it has.

<Aero> there's no cancel button or anything.

<crimsun> it takes a while to actually download and install all the upgrades, so as long as no newer packages have actually been installed, you're fine.

<JKnife> that fix for the compositor in the topicisn't working for me =(

<Aero> okay, so...

<crimsun> Aero: how long has the upgrade process been running?

<mortal5> Aero, xkill? :p

<Aero> 20 minutes or so... still downloading, yeah.

<crimsun> so just reboot

<Aero> hmm... okay

<Aero> you're sure it will be all right? >_>

<JKnife> yes

<JKnife> it has not starting installing

<crimsun> no dude, your left arm will FALL OFF

<crimsun> quick, amputate NOW!

<joejaxx> GoodMorning/Afternoon/Night All

<JKnife> =/ what an intro

<Aero> okay, well.. it did some stuff before it started downloading.. but if you say so...

<joejaxx> JKnife: well there are people from all different timezones :)

<crimsun> it just changed the sources.list

<Aero> it'll be okay if i do a CD upgrade, then? that's not broken?

<crimsun> you can change the sources.list back to Dapper and update

<JKnife> "<option name="Xfwm/UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"/>" right?

<mortal5> JKnife, it's 6.1! You sir clearly do not respect the laws of mathmatics :p

<JKnife> mortal5: Six.Ten not Six.One

<crimsun> think significant digits ;-)

<joejaxx> crimsun: :)

<joejaxx> how are you all doing today?

<crimsun> just peachy.

* MattJ is pining for special effects on his desktop

<joejaxx> that is good to hear

* MattJ is also far too tired

<joejaxx> mortal5: special effects?

<joejaxx> MattJ: *

<JKnife> yeah.. that fix for compositing is not working

<MattJ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxpbyH773U&mode=related&search=

<joejaxx> crimsun: i hope to have more conversations with #xubuntu

<joejaxx> :)

* JKnife adds joejaxx to his ignore list =P

<joejaxx> :\

<JKnife> =)

<JKnife> wait i found my problem i think

<crimsun> (JKnife was attempting to enable compositor on Windows. Well duh!)

<ellioTb> s

<ellioTb> whats that best search program, kinda of like spotlight

<ellioTb> i forgot what its called

<ellioTb> muskrat or something

<crimsun> "best"?

<ellioTb> preferred

<JKnife> =/

<ellioTb> an example of one

<ellioTb> i know i have seen the deb package for it

<crimsun> no idea, I don't normally use in-file searches

<JKnife> it is easy for windows... there is somethin like xcompmgr for it =P

<crimsun> i.e., I use find(1)

<ellioTb> what all does it search though

<JKnife> i use slocate -_-

<crimsun> ellioTb: just file locations.

<crimsun> slocate* use find(1)

<JKnife> which and whereis are cool

<JKnife> crimsun: no.. it uses a db built by find =P

* JKnife loves scriptassist

<crimsun> right

<crimsun> though to be pedantic find(1) doesn't build it ;-)

<ellioTb> like if i want to find a conf file, somewhere in the filesystem

<ellioTb> what would u use

<JKnife> good point

<JKnife> slocate

<ellioTb> thanx

<JKnife> it is faster then find =P

<ellioTb> thanx

<ellioTb> and it works!

<JKnife> unless it is updating its db which can take a lil while

<ellioTb> is there a way to run a console command, w/o having it spew out output

<JKnife> ellioTb: pipe it to /dev/null

<JKnife> =P

<ellioTb> i am making a script to do diff commands, but i don't want it to flood all the stuff, just say its done

<ellioTb> like command | pipe /dev/null

<JKnife> you could do "echo `cmd` >> /dev/null

<ellioTb> ah ok

<ellioTb> nice, thanks

<JKnife> =¿ the centericq plugin doesnt do aim or yahoo?

<ellioTb> what about if i have a script that i chmod +x, and i want to be able to access it from anywhere w/o having to be in the dir and use ./

<ellioTb> then, i'll stop asking q's for a bit

<JKnife> copy it to ~/bin and add it to your path

<ellioTb> path?

<ellioTb> lol, noobin it up tonight

<JKnife> open a terminal and do `echo $PATH`

<JKnife> do mkdir ~/bin

<ellioTb> hrmm, "dhclient ath0 >> /dev/null" still talks to me

<JKnife> you have to use echo

<JKnife> echo `dhclient ath0` >> /dev/null

<ellioTb> ahh, ok

<ellioTb> thanx

<JKnife> ok back to the path.. mkdir a dir in your home folder called bin

<JKnife> then edit ~/.bashrc and add "export PATH=$PATH:/home/<yourname>/bin"

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<JKnife> crimsun: if there is a easier way todo this.. please feel free to say something =P

<ellioTb> hey, they already do it for you

<ellioTb> in bash_profile

<JKnife> really? they had ~/bin? cool

<ellioTb> yeah

<JKnife> ok make a dir in ~ called bin and put the script in there

<crimsun> why wouldn't you use interfaces(5)?

* JKnife mans it

<crimsun> auto ath0

<crimsun> iface ath0 inet dhcp

<ellioTb> JKnife, i did mkdir ~/bin

<ellioTb> thats where i put the script

<JKnife> ok

<ellioTb> is there another step

<JKnife> no..

<ellioTb> hrmm

<JKnife> may have to log out and back in

<JKnife> or source it

<ellioTb> source it eh

<JKnife> altf2 `source ~/.bashrc`

<mortal5> there anything xubuntu specific included in 6.10?

<JKnife> then open a new terminal

<mortal5> i mean, new, ya know?

<JKnife> mortal5: umm define "new"

<JKnife> new bugs? new bug fixes? new images?

<mortal5> new...programs?

* JKnife shrigs

* JKnife shrugs*

<ellioTb> what am i doing wrong

<ellioTb> lol

<ellioTb> oh well

<JKnife> may have to log out and back in

<ellioTb> k, lemme try that

<ellioTb> hrmm, still nothing

<ellioTb> so the script is in /home/elliot/bin

<JKnife> =/

<JKnife> no clue then, sorry

<ellioTb> what was that export thing again

<ellioTb> i'll chunk that in bashrc, it was only in bash_profile

<JKnife> export $PATH=$PATH:/home/elliot/bin

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<ellioTb> "not a valid identifier"

<ellioTb> when i did source

<DJ_Danni> Hey is it noat possabole to ship a FREE CD's with Xubuntu?

<ellioTb> where is .is

<DJ_Danni> What?

<ellioTb> where are you at right now in the world

<DJ_Danni> I am in Iceland

<JKnife> NC USA

<ellioTb> nice

<ellioTb> DJ_Danni, what do you mean ship free cd's

<JKnife> DJ_Danni: i heard it is nice there

<JKnife> DJ_Danni: no.. Xubuntu does not get that yes

<DJ_Danni> Yeas

<DJ_Danni> its Right

<DJ_Danni> I am like Ubuntu and Kubuntu they ship a free CD's

<JKnife> s|yes|yet|

<ellioTb> oh ok

<DJ_Danni> But what aboat xubuntu?

<ellioTb> you don't have a burner?

<DJ_Danni> Nope

<JKnife> nope.. we are not offical YET

<DJ_Danni> Is that the only whay?

<JKnife> yes

<JKnife> or

<DJ_Danni> oohh:)

<DJ_Danni> :(

<JKnife> install ubuntu then install xubuntu-desktop

<ellioTb> why don't you download it?

<JKnife> well i am gone

<DJ_Danni> The i have to burn it and i do noat have a burner:'/

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<DJ_Danni> :'(

<ellioTb> why won't this export work?!

<ellioTb> ahh

<ellioTb> yeah, just get an ubuntu

<ellioTb> then install xubuntu-desktop

<NotJKnife> try this PATH="$PATH:~/bin"

<DJ_Danni> Like now i am using Ubuntu for my Webserver

<ellioTb> then when you boot, at the login screen, select xfce4 as the default desktop

<DJ_Danni> http://212.30.223.9 test that that is my Webserver and my Radio and TV Server's;('

<DJ_Danni> ;)

<ellioTb> NotJKnife, you are my hero!

<DJ_Danni> How do you like my Server's?

<DJ_Danni> ?

<ellioTb> its loading

<DJ_Danni> ok

<ellioTb> nice, house music?

<DJ_Danni> Is it fast or Slow?

<DJ_Danni> I play all genrec

<ellioTb> was about medium

<DJ_Danni> Cookl

<DJ_Danni> Cool

<ellioTb> i am on a not so good wireless

<ellioTb> so its not a good judge of speed

<DJ_Danni> ok

<DJ_Danni> But all Radio Space TV and Radio is on my Windows but Radio Space Linux is Based on Linux;)

<ellioTb> so do you already have the ubuntu cd?

<DJ_Danni> Yeas

<DJ_Danni> But i wan to test a xubuntu on anothere Computer

<DJ_Danni> I have 3 running Computers but one with no System on it

<ellioTb> you wanna test it w/o installing it?

<DJ_Danni> What do you mean?

<ellioTb> well if you want to install xubuntu

<ellioTb> you can just install with the ubuntu disk

<ellioTb> then in the terminal do "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"

<DJ_Danni> cool

<ellioTb> that will dl what makes xubuntu different, and install

<ellioTb> voila!

<DJ_Danni> COOL

<ellioTb> then you can remove the gnome stuff if you don't want it

<DJ_Danni> I try that Later

<DJ_Danni> But i have to go

<DJ_Danni> But thatng for that;)

<ellioTb> k, adios

<DJ_Danni> bye

<ellioTb> !seen maxamillion

<ubotu> I last saw maxamillion (n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu) 4h 20m 48s ago, quiting: "leaving"

<Lilandra> so, was xubuntu edgy released?

<ellioTb> the release candidate

<ellioTb> thats what i am running, its PERFECT

<Lilandra> oh okay

<Lilandra> how different is it? where does one get firefox 2?

<ellioTb> repos i think

<Lilandra> i mean is it in the edgy repos?

<ellioTb> yeah

<Lilandra> ok

<mortal5> um, does the new init system have a configuration utility?

<Lilandra> errrr i think i dont like all these unmet dependencies

<ellioTb> Lilandra, for what

<Lilandra> when i ran aptitude dist-upgrade...oh well i'll figure it out

<ellioTb> Lilandra, are you upgrading to edgy?

<Lilandra> yes!

<ellioTb> congrats!

<ellioTb> did you update sources.list?

<Lilandra> i should run aptitude upgrade first maybe

<Lilandra> yes

<ellioTb> yeah, update

<ellioTb> sudo aptitude update

<Lilandra> well it might take me a bit of time....i have to reinstall things on the machine because i did somethign weird to the other OS so...i may as well try it out now

<Lilandra> i did the update already

<ellioTb> yeah, i just installed with the edgy CD

<Lilandra> eh...i will download that too

<Lilandra> :-)

<Lilandra> for when i reinstall/fix partitions

<Lilandra> i hope i don't break my wireless

<Aero> okay, so like

<Aero> i can't upgrade using the desktop CD? >_<

<Lilandra> you can't??

<Aero> apparently not!

<Aero> the only option it gives is to erase my entire disk

<Aero> so can someone tell me how i can upgrade? if upgrade manager is broken and the CD doesn't have that option...

<ellioTb> you trying to upgrade from dapper to edgy?

<Lilandra> at the command line, can't you sudo apt-cdrom add ?

<Lilandra> and pop in the diskk when it asks for it?

<ellioTb> you can add the cd to the repositories

<Aero> yes, i am tryin gto upgrade from dapper to edgy

<Aero> i don't care how i do it, i just don't want to lose all my data or end up with an unbootable system :E

<Lilandra> well, do you use synaptic od apt-get? because i think at the commadn line u can "sudo apt-cdrom add"

<Lilandra> then it should bring up a prompt for u to load disc..and u hit enter and it'll ad it to the repositories..

<Aero> i can go either way...

<Aero> but like...

<ellioTb> Aero, and you don't want to download the packages, cause you have the edgy cd?

<Aero> update manager to 6.10 results in an unbootable system

<Aero> does apt-get dist-upgrade do the same, or does it work?

<Lilandra> oh

<Lilandra> really?

<Aero> yes :E

<ellioTb> Aero, what i would do is this

<Aero> look at the main page: www.xubuntu.org

<ellioTb> Aero, change all of the "dapper" to "edgy" in /etc/apt/sources.list

<Aero> look

<ellioTb> then do a "sudo apt-get update"

<Aero> i know how to do a dist-upgrade

<ellioTb> k

<ellioTb> whats the problem then

<Aero> i'm asking if it's subject to the same bug as the update manager or not

<Aero> has anyone here successfully upgraded?

<Lilandra> Aero: it says apt to

<Lilandra> too*

<Lilandra> so maybe i shouldn't bother

<Aero> great

<ellioTb> oh

<ellioTb> originally i just did a dist-upgrade

<ellioTb> then i did a fresh install from an edgy cd another time

<Lilandra> yikes so i should stop :-)

<ellioTb> but i don't think it will ruin your comp

<ellioTb> Lilandra, no, don't worry about it

<Lilandra> don't worry? u sure?

<Aero> ellioTb, no offence but it sounds like you don't know what you're talking about

<Lilandra> i think a nice clean install is ok

<Aero> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/68027

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed]

<ellioTb> Aero, none taken

<ellioTb> i am a noob, i am just saying originally i did the upgrade with the update manager, with no problem

<Aero> yes, but since then something has changed

<ellioTb> and its offense*

<Aero> just in time for final release, aren't we lucky :P

<Lilandra> yeah

<Aero> only in american english

<ellioTb> ohfence

<Lilandra> man i need more bandwidth

<ellioTb> don't we all

<HeathenDan> anyone know the command line arguments for mozilla thunderbird?

<ellioTb> HeathenDan, what ya tryin to do

<Lilandra> i have 256k/64k supposedly

<FSRxc> Hey... I'm back,

<ellioTb> Lilandra, i can get around 800KBps

<FSRxc> Never did get the resolution working on the laptop

<ellioTb> FSRxc, really?

<FSRxc> Now I'm trying to use Knoppix to move the files to a different partiton, windows took a crap on me :(

<HeathenDan> trying to setup opera to send a mailto link to thunderbird's composer with the email address added

<ellioTb> driver might not support that resolution

<ellioTb> since its such a weird one

<FSRxc> Yeah, I bet

<FSRxc> Then I tried installing linux on one of the other laptops I have (PII 300, 128 mb ram)

<ellioTb> oh wow

<FSRxc> Accidently chose the wrong partitioning option

<FSRxc> Now the MBR is gone

<ellioTb> i wish i knew what this old laptop i have in the closet is

<ellioTb> i need a little battery for the cmos though

<ellioTb> FSRxc, DOH!

<FSRxc> Yeah

<FSRxc> So last night I gave up with linux

<FSRxc> Tried to recover some data from a 120gb

<ellioTb> you should run "Damn Small Linux" on there

<ellioTb> i wanna get a usb thumb drive so i can have it on there

<ellioTb> take my linux with me anywhere i go

<FSRxc> Well... I was doing ok at first... used TestDisk to make the partition accessible

<FSRxc> Then I tried to use checkdisk to try and fix the bad sectors, bad move...

<Lilandra> i put dsl-embedded on my work pc and it kept crashing :-(

<FSRxc> Effed up that HD

<FSRxc> AND my main windows partition

<ellioTb> damn, on that laptop?

<FSRxc> \WINNT\System32\config\System is corrupted

<FSRxc> Nope, my desktop

<FSRxc> So now I got knoppix and I'm trying to use it to at least recover the files

<FSRxc> So that i can reinstall

<FSRxc> Or try and fix windows

<HeathenDan> i take that as a "no idea", hehe...

<ellioTb> HeathenDan, lol, yeah sorry

<ellioTb> maybe search the forums?

<HeathenDan> no prob

<FSRxc> Knoppix runs pretty well on the desktop

<HeathenDan> i'll ask in ubuntu then

<FSRxc> 2 gb of ram helps ;)

<ellioTb> lol

<HeathenDan> the man page ain't informative, and neither opera nor tbird forum was helpful

<FSRxc> hell, even the sound works

<ellioTb> never played with knoppix

<ellioTb> looks nice and german

<FSRxc> There's english

<HeathenDan> i have knoppix, v 3.2

<ellioTb> i want the dvd knoppix

<FSRxc> Oh shit

<FSRxc> Survivor's on

<FSRxc> lol

<ellioTb> can you add your own apps to it

<ellioTb> f survivor

<FSRxc> HEY!

<ellioTb> be careful, sheep will here you and do this:

<ellioTb> !language

<ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.

<FSRxc> Its one of the few tv shows I watch

<Lilandra> HeatherDan: do mozilla-thunderbird --help

<FSRxc> i'll brb

<Lilandra> "mozilla-thunderbird --help" at the command line and u get lists of options

<Lilandra> HeathenDan sorry

<Lilandra> I dont know if it's all the options

<Lilandra> but it's some?

<ellioTb> its kde huh

<ellioTb> (knoppix)

<HeathenDan> man, yeah, i read it. it only lists -compose, but that only starts a blank composer and doesn't pass the email address from the mailto link

<Lilandra> :(

<HeathenDan> lol, same answers in #ubuntu: read mozilla-thunderbird --help

<HeathenDan> and: make tbird default in opera

<ellioTb> thats weird

<HeathenDan> i really need to dig around a bit... time to go back to opera and mozilla forums

<ellioTb> i never use mailto links

<ellioTb> gmail

<HeathenDan> even weirder: epiphany doesnt even open tbird when i click a mailto link, and epiphany is gecko based!

<HeathenDan> lemme try FF

<HeathenDan> FF is always my 3rd choice :p

<HeathenDan> unbelievable, ff doesn't open tbird either =\

<FSRxc> I'll brb

<HeathenDan> gah, i may have to get evolution after all

<Lilandra> third?

<ellioTb> seems like firefox would work for sure

<HeathenDan> yeah, which is weird

<HeathenDan> they're sibling projects

<HeathenDan> bleh, not even typing the mailto in the address bar worked

<HeathenDan> i wonder if i can uninstall ff+tbird and get sea monkey instead

<Aero> lilandra: can you tell me where you saw the problem also occurs with apt-get?

<Aero> (convo from like 30 mins ago ;P)

<Aero> er wait n/m

<Aero> that's a stupid question

<HeathenDan> heh

<HeathenDan> i'd recommend you back up /home and /etc and perhaps /usr, then reformat and install edgy

<Aero> i have more than what's in those two to back up :\

<Aero> and i shouldn't bloody have to!

<HeathenDan> yes, but the updater is broken

<Aero> yeah, i'm just being cranky.

<Aero> you'd think someone would have tested it, tho <_<

<ellioTb> test it!

<Aero> i mean, before releasing it to the general public through the automatic update system.

<HeathenDan> they did test it, and that's why it is not officially out. a tester filed a bug report some time back.

<Aero> i consider it 'officially out' if the update manager on 6.06 tells me it's out and offers to upgrade

<Aero> they could have at least put something in the release notes that are displayed, that says 'if you have xubuntu-desktop installed, don't do it yet!'

<HeathenDan> true, at best they only have the warning on the website

<Jester45> could someone tell me if i can safly remove xfburn and mozilla-thunderbird

<maydaytx> Jester45: yeah, its safe

<Jester45> its sayes it has to remove xubuntu-desktop

<maydaytx> xubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package...its used to install all of the packages for xubuntu

<maydaytx> once those are installed, it is safe to remove

<Jester45> i thought that

<maydaytx> !xubuntu-desktop

<ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.

<Jester45> ok i might need help with settings later

<maydaytx> im going to bed when the game is over

<Lilandra> Aero: can you update to ubuntu and then install xubuntu?

<Aero> uh...

<Aero> that isn't possible by definition...

<Lilandra> um ok

<Aero> xubuntu is just an installation of ubuntu with different default packages

<Aero> the problem here lies with packages that are apparently only used by xfce

<Lilandra> yeah but if you have ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed, does upgrading ubuntu-desktop break xubuntu-desktop?

<Lilandra> oh ok

<Aero> i wouldn't want to have, like, all of the packages up to 6.10 versions, and except for xfce still at 6.06

<Aero> that would be extremely bad, even if APT would allow you to do it

<Lilandra> ok :-)

<Lilandra> back to sleep i go

<Jester45> what about ubuntu-standard

<Aero> you can't just upgrade one package to a different distribution version

<Aero> especially not a metapackage

<Aero> or maybe i misunderstood

<Aero> you should be fine upgrading standard ubuntu as long as you don't have any xfce packages installed, is what i'm hearing...

<Aero> apparently a lot of people are having problems with samba, too..

<Jester45> first few things im going to edgy is removing useless stuff

<Jester45> o

<Jester45> i was asking something else

<Aero> sorry

<Aero> i thought you were referring to a metapackage

<Aero> then i realised..

<FSRxc> I'm back

<Aero> or maybe i didn't ;P

<Jester45> hi

<FSRxc> Hello

<Jester45> i got edgy

<Aero> how did you do it? ;P

<Jester45> working right now to make it good

<Jester45> cd

<Jester45> fresh install

<Aero> ah

<Jester45> anyone wanna help me mount my storage drive

<Jester45> or to remove the trash icon

<ZeN> jester, you're mounting network storage?

<ZeN> if so, that's something I need to learn how to do as well :-p

<Jester45> no

<Jester45> local

<ZeN> oh.

<ZeN> I need to learn how to map network disks.

<maydaytx> Jester45: afaik, the trash icon isnt removable

<Jester45> what????

* Jester45 thinks about downgrade

<Jester45> !easyubuntu

<ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.

<Jester45> good thing no school on friday

<Jester45> time to fix things

<maydaytx> ok bed time

<FSRxc> anyone ever use captive?

<Jobberwacky> I'm sure the final xfce4.4 version will allow to remove those icons

<maydaytx> Jobberwacky: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2006-October/021550.html

<maydaytx> the next few messages will explain

<Jobberwacky> maydaytx, yes, that's why I mean the final release

<maydaytx> the string freeze is for the final release of 4.4

<FSRxc> Anyone here used Knoppix before to access a NTFS partition?

<Jobberwacky> that's what they said about thunar, I'm guessing you will be able to at least rename them

<maydaytx> you can re-compile xfdesktop with this patch: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/attachments/20061020/0f3a4fd8/no.ksh

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<maydaytx> but that will hard-code them to not show up

<HeathenDan> FSRxc, yes with knoppix 3.2

<FSRxc> I just downloaded knoppix today

<FSRxc> Got it running on my desktop

<HeathenDan> what version is it now?

<HeathenDan> did you install it? or just livecd

<FSRxc> LiveCD

<maydaytx> latest ive used was 5.0.1

<FSRxc> K, that sounds right...

<FSRxc> yup, 5.0.1

<FSRxc> And it seems that websites suggest using Captive to manipulate NTFS partitions

<FSRxc> This version doesn't have it... under Knoppix > Utilities > Captive

<FSRxc> I have no issues copying to a flash stick

<FSRxc> But I'm trying to back up a few GB's of files from one partition to another.

<FSRxc> Hello?

<Jobberwacky> ??

<FSRxc> So...

<FSRxc> Any word on how to access NTFS with 5.0.1?

<TwatDodger> What's a gif maker for linux? Or can I use the gimp?

<Jobberwacky> you can use the gimp

<TwatDodger> hrmm where is the option located? I have like 1,000 images I want to make into a gif lol

<Jobberwacky> save different layers are frames then save as gif

<Jobberwacky> are = as

<TwatDodger> That might be tedious

<Jobberwacky> that's the only way I know of

<Jobberwacky> you have to find something else otherwise

<TwatDodger> Thanks =)

<Jobberwacky> or maybe there's some script addons to gimp, i dont know...

<Zeqfreed> when everything works fine, linux is as boring as windows was :)

<Zeqfreed> do i need a special driver to mount my usb mp3 player?

<Zeqfreed> cool

<Zeqfreed> i've managed to mount it :)

<FSRxc> Congrats

<FSRxc> ok, since everything is working fine on your end

<FSRxc> Can you help me? Have you used knoppix before?

<Zeqfreed> google rules as usual

<Zeqfreed> no i haven't

<Zeqfreed> why?

<FSRxc> I need to recover some files from a windows partition

<FSRxc> Hey threat.

<Zeqfreed> oh, i have no idea how to do that

<FSRxc> Yeah, neither do I

<FSRxc> I can see the files

<FSRxc> But I can't make knoppix write them to another NTFS partition

<Zeqfreed> so what the problem is

<Zeqfreed> i heard that writing code for ntfs partitions is not perfect yet so it is not recommended to mount ntfs partitions in r/w mode

<FSRxc> I se

<FSRxc> Well this is $hitty

<Zeqfreed> that's why i have fat32 partition to cooperate with windows :)

<FSRxc> smart...

<FSRxc> I wish I knew about that

<FSRxc> Here I am like an idiot,

<FSRxc> "NTFS is blah blah blah"

<FSRxc> So all my partitions are NTFS

<Zeqfreed> you can try to reallocate some space for new partition but it's quite dangerous

<FSRxc> Yeah

<FSRxc> I already had one HD go x.x on me

<FSRxc> Don't need another

<threat> hi

<Zeqfreed> :)

<FSRxc> You were helping me 2 days ago

<Zeqfreed> hey threat

<FSRxc> I changed my nick

<FSRxc> It was xxjmakxx

<FSRxc> How familiar are you with knoppix?

<Zeqfreed> i'm interested why when i plug my player into usb port the system goes laggy

<FSRxc> I can't tell you :(

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<FSRxc> I'm in my own boat of troubles, lol

<Zeqfreed> yeah :)

<Zeqfreed> but at least it works, i thought i won't be able to write new music onto the player in linux

<FSRxc> I see

<FSRxc> What player is it?

<Zeqfreed> iRiver hp-120

<FSRxc> Oh ok

<FSRxc> I don't think I'll end up with the same luck with my MP3 player

<Zeqfreed> why not?

<FSRxc> Its a posterchild for DRM

<FSRxc> Creative Zen Sleek Photo

<Zeqfreed> oh i see

<FSRxc> "OS Requirements: Windows XP with SP2 only"

<Zeqfreed> heh

<FSRxc> I got it to run under windows 2000

<FSRxc> But just barely

<FSRxc> Had to use drivers from a older model

<Zeqfreed> my player requires a driver only for special operations, normally it is just a fat32 partition and can be simply mounted

<FSRxc> Yeah

<FSRxc> That's how a Zen Sleek Nano is also

<FSRxc> I refuse to get an iPod, yet I won't venture out of Creative.

<Zeqfreed> :)

<FSRxc> So... how long have you been a linux user?

<Zeqfreed> about 10 days

<FSRxc> XP user prior?

<Zeqfreed> yes

<Zeqfreed> the only feature i miss is remembering a layout for each window

<Zeqfreed> but i;m getting used to it

<joejaxx> when did you guys switch to the new website?

<Zeqfreed> to switch the layout manuallt

<Zeqfreed> what website?

<FSRxc> lol

<FSRxc> Well

<joejaxx> xubuntu.org

<FSRxc> I used redhat 9 in class last year

<FSRxc> Actually 2 years ago now, wow...

<FSRxc> And then, Fedora Core 3 at home

<FSRxc> I've been using windows 2000 as of late

<Zeqfreed> you must be an experienced linux user :)

<joejaxx> that is funny

<joejaxx> you all changed the xubuntu homepage after i changed fluxbuntu

<joejaxx> and we are using the same platform

<Zeqfreed> just a coincedence?

<Zeqfreed> err coincidence

<joejaxx> i do not know lol

<FSRxc> When I was in class

<FSRxc> We did sendmail servers

<FSRxc> Samba file servers

<joejaxx> xubuntu looks better though since you all have someone to make themes for drupal

<bug_> does anyone know how to disable autorun?

<Zeqfreed> i have apache and mysql running on my home desktop :)

<FSRxc> Nope, sorry

<Zeqfreed> and had dc hub running before

<FSRxc> I see

<FSRxc> Question:

<FSRxc> I try to mount my NTFS partition (sda3) after enabling write

<FSRxc> And it gives me this error

<FSRxc> "Couldn't mount device '/dev/sda3' : Operation not supported Windows did not shut down properly. Try to mount volume in windows, shut down and try again.

<bug_> oh no.. i went through *that* once

<mortal5> does anyone have azureus working with 6.10?

<bug_> you need to boot into windows and run scandisk

<FSRxc> F*** ME!!!

<bug_> and then go back into linux.. it should be usable thne

<FSRxc> Window's won't boot right now

<FSRxc> trying to fix it with knoppix

<FSRxc> Ugh

<FSRxc> Past 3 days have been hell

<bug_> do you have a bootdisk? like uhh.. hubis or somethign like that?

<FSRxc> no

<bug_> oh oops.. hiren's boot disc

<Zeqfreed> what the name of the utility which shows you free space left on partitions?

<bug_> df

<Zeqfreed> thanks

<Zeqfreed> oh.. how do i exit it?

<bug_> it should just output and exit

<Zeqfreed> it hanged :)

<FSRxc> Well what I do know is that when I restart X

<Zeqfreed> but i already killed it

<FSRxc> The HD is accessible again

<FSRxc> Just can't write to it

<bug_> oh hmm.. sounds like it's having trouble with a partition then.. do ctrl-c or ctrl-d to kill it

<bug_> what are you using to write?

<FSRxc> By write

<Zeqfreed> ^C didn't work

<bug_> i had the most luck (but not perfect!) with ntfs-3g, which MAY be part of ntfsprogs now

<FSRxc> I mean using konqueror to move files from one partiton to another

<FSRxc> They're all NTFS btw

<Zeqfreed> so i killed it from another terminal, now it's okay

<bug_> Zeqfreed, that always works =-)

<Zeqfreed> :)

<bug_> the best thing to do would be to make a separate partition that is read/writeable by both win and linux

<bug_> fat32 or ext2/3 (with the ext2 ifs driver)

<FSRxc> The HD has 3 partitions and all of them take up the complete HD

<FSRxc> Hmmm

<FSRxc> My HDD enclosure HD is... I don't know if its reliable or not

<bug_> try using the gparted bootable cd to resize/convert

<bug_> i need to get going, though

<FSRxc> Damn

<joejaxx> is there a xubuntu developer channel?

<FSRxc> Trying to find someone helpful is hard

<bug_> hmm

<bug_> well.. what else do you need to know with it? i can type it out really quickly

<FSRxc> With?

<bug_> oh.. the whole ntfs thing

<FSRxc> Yeah

<FSRxc> :(

<FSRxc> What time will you be on tomorrow?

<bug_> i converted ntfs drive to ext3 without losing anything

<bug_> i'm not sure.. i'm a bit of a drifter

<FSRxc> Using gparted?

<bug_> usually around the same time, though

<bug_> yeah

<FSRxc> Oh ok

<bug_> gparted is very nice.. better than partitionmagic, in my opinion

<FSRxc> That's good to hear

<FSRxc> Esp since its free.

<bug_> oh definitely

<FSRxc> ok

<bug_> the bootable cd is nice

<FSRxc> I'll give it a try

<mortal5> bahaha, i'm an idiot

<bug_> but try to backup whatever you can first!

<FSRxc> Hopifully i don't FUBAR another HD :'(

<FSRxc> I think I'll use another HD

<FSRxc> a 160

<mortal5> i forgot i was ssh'd into my own machine to test it

<FSRxc> I have 3 large HD's thank goodness

<bug_> oh and MAKE SURE THAT the drive is NOT mounted before attempting any resize operations

<bug_> and defrag in windows first

<mortal5> and i was like, why isn't azureus working?? :( lol

<FSRxc> 120 (fubared) 160 (not used), 300 ( currently installed and iffy)

<bug_> ha.. i forget that i'm sshed sometimes

<FSRxc> So defrag a HD

<FSRxc> then use Gparted

<FSRxc> Then hope for the best?

<bug_> that's what i would suggest

<bug_> again, try to back up first

<bug_> i thought that i lost hundreds of gb of stuff, but luckily gparted got it back for me

<bug_> stupid "dirty ntfs partition" problem

<bug_> i may be back on around this time tomorrow

<FSRxc> heh

<bug_> let me knwo if you see me

<FSRxc> Well the 160 is relatively empty

<bug_> that should help

<bug_> copy everything to that first

<FSRxc> You use any instant messengers?

<FSRxc> Or are you uncomfortable giving out your SN?

<Zeqfreed> cool, successfully uploaded my music onto player, so now i have what to do while getting to the university :)

<bug_> 50/50 heh

<Zeqfreed> see you all tonight, bye

<bug_> check the direct irc msg thing

<FSRxc> ?

<bug_> i'm attempting to msg you directly/privately

<FSRxc> not getting anything

<bug_> hmm..

<bug_> which client are you using?

<FSRxc> aim, icq, msn

<FSRxc> yahoo

<FSRxc> :X

<FSRxc> For IRC I'm using trillian

<bug_> oh.. hmm.. no clue how that works

<Lilandra> you can receive messages wiith trillian

<FSRxc> Yeah

<bug_> okay i'll try again

<Lilandra> but on #ubuntu i think u have to be a registered nick to either send/receive?

<bug_> ohhh

<Lilandra> so maybe it's the same on #xubuntu?

<bug_> that could be a possibility

<FSRxc> Yeah

<bug_> let me try something

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<_bug_> oh come on! everything is already owned!

<Lilandra> lol

<_bug_> nick _3uG_

<_bug_> oops ha

<Lilandra> i only just registered this...a month or so

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<_3uG_> ah that worked

<_3uG_> how do you register?

<FSRxc> Website?

<Lilandra> hmm

<FSRxc> http://www.mirc.com/register.html

<FSRxc> nope that's not it

<Lilandra> you'd have to go to freenode.net

<_3uG_> okay will do

<Lilandra> but i can't remember how to register...i'm forgetful it seems. it used to be in #ubuntu's topic but i don't see it

<ke> FSRxc, you have to register on the Freenode network probably, not your client :)

<ke> Nickser

<ke> v

<ke> /msg nickserv help

<FSRxc> I see

<_3uG_> FSRxc, are you registered? i'm

<FSRxc> not yet

<_3uG_> registered now (oops)

<FSRxc> gimme a sec

<_3uG_> okay type /msg nickserver register <passwd>

<FSRxc> k, registered

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<xxjmakxx> Yeah I got your message

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<FSRxc> are you getting my messages?

<_3uG_> heading out now.. have fun everyone

<Lilandra> bye

<Xubuntian> guys... what about CPU throttling in xubuntu?

<Xubuntian> in kubuntu i used powernowd + klaptop for controlling the throttling mode... what about in xfce?

<jelly-home> you can still use powernowd

<Xubuntian> what about CPU-Freq throttling?

<Xubuntian> i use to use two main usermodes: the first one userspace, and the second performance

<Xubuntian> the first for having a no-working-Fan, the other for high CPU request...

<Xubuntian> how can i switch between them in xubuntu? i used klaptop for that in the past

<jelly-home> I have cpufreqd on me laptop that manages it dynamically. There's xfce4-cpufreq-plugin but I'm not sure if it's worth anything.

<jelly-home> I suppose you could install the latter, add to the panel and see what it does.

<Xubuntian> ok, let me try

<Xubuntian> however, i am moving from kde to xfce..

<Xubuntian> what about konversation equivalent, xchat...

<cmknox> how easy is it to change from Ubuntu to Xubuntu?

<Xubuntian> can't find a go to tray option

<Xubuntian> meh...

<Xubuntian> consider that i did do both the change from Kubuntu -> Xubuntu

<Xubuntian> From Dapper -> Edgy

<cmknox> or would i be better off just installing from the xubuntu cd...

<Xubuntian> and finally i removed completely Kde

<Xubuntian> from the cd for sure

<Xubuntian> but i didn't want to do it

<cmknox> especially since the cd is 6.10 and this is only 6.06

<cmknox> just have to wait 4 hours for it to finish downloading

<Xubuntian> :)

<cmknox> of course there's the fact that i'm running 64 bit ubuntu, which doesn't support wine it would seem

<Xubuntian> so what about tray support for xchat???

<cmknox> no idea, i don't use it, i prefer to stick mostly to the console;)

<anXubu> what?

<anXubu> with irrsi?

<anXubu> how can you.. muah

<cmknox> the only reason i'm going to xubuntu is because it has a lighter wm, which i'm only using because openbox doesn't seem to like my trackpad because it starts interpretting just trying to move the mouse as dragging it with the middle mouse button

<cmknox> i would be using BitchX, but i haven't installed it on here, and probably wont

<cmknox> so is enlightenment ever going to make it out of the current version do you suppose? or is it pretty much dead because it *was* the wave of the future which is now superceded by the likes of xgl with Beryl...

<jelly-home> There's xchat-systray but I haven't tried that either

<cmknox> yikes my throughput got cut back immensly

<linuxvampire> Excuse me, but what is the preferred method of upgrading to edgy?

<lotusleaf> linuxvampire: well, my method is a clean install, it tastes great less filling

<linuxvampire> *_*

<linuxvampire> but er... I just got E17 installed when I learned edgy was out :\

<lotusleaf> linuxvampire: that's just the way I like it =) I didn't say you had to do it my way

<linuxvampire> does dist-upgrade work, or is there another way?

<lotusleaf> linuxvampire: are you using xubuntu?

<linuxvampire> yep

<lotusleaf> linuxvampire: you may want to wait for an answer from someone in here who has, I do clean installs only =)

<linuxvampire> ahh ty :D

<lotusleaf> linuxvampire: yw

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* lotusleaf submarine dive, dive, dive

<icheyne> what is the compositor?

<icheyne> is it the main menu?

<crimsun> it's in Settings> Window Manager Tweaks

<icheyne> but *what* is it?

<icheyne> I can see it's a menu, but which one is it?

<icheyne> maybe the "task bar" or the "root menu"?

<crimsun> Settings> Window Manager Tweaks> Compositor ?

<icheyne> I don't have xubuntu in front of me

<icheyne> I'm @ work

<icheyne> :)

<crimsun> it's difficult to really explain it if you're not looking at it

<olaef> what is xubuntus session, "log-on" manager named?

<olaef> gnome is got gdm.

<icheyne> oh ok

<icheyne> I'll try later

<icheyne> thanks crimsun

<linuxvampire> gdm !

<olaef> Ok.

<olaef> anyone succeed installed and configured xgl+beryl trough xubuntu?

<crimsun> icheyne: http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/ss.jpg

<jhaig> What is the current state of affairs with the update from 6.04 to 6.10? Is it safe to do gksu "update-manager -c" now?

<crimsun> you mean 6.06{,.1}, and no, use dist-upgrade

<crimsun> [there is no 6.04]

<Tmob> hi, anyone know when the upgrading feature will be fixed for xubuntu edgy?

<crimsun> no ETA.

<crimsun> 05:01 < crimsun> you mean 6.06{,.1}, and no, use dist-upgrade

<Tmob> dist-upgrade is ok?

<jhaig> crimsun: So "apt-get dist-upgrade" will do everything?

<crimsun> jhaig: you'll need to change sources.list, update && dist-upgrade

<Tmob> jhaig, if i'm not wrong.. xubuntu.org/get mentions that will mess the entire distro

<jhaig> OK, thanks.

<crimsun> jhaig: it's best to do a clean install until the issues are straightened out.

<jhaig> So if I understand correctly, the problem is with the update-manager route, but the apt-get route is safe. Is that right?

<crimsun> ime, yes, but let me confirm.

<Tmob> uh really!?

<Tmob> whats the difference between update-manager and apt-get?

<crimsun> jhaig: correct, apt-get dist-upgrade is safe

<crimsun> 03:58 < mvo> janimo: a apt-get dist-upgrade should work as well, I have a theory now what triggers the crash

<jhaig> I'd rather not do a full reinstall. It is for my brothers PC and he is new to Linux. We had problems with setting up X, which didn't look good, and I don't think he will be impressed if he gets the impression that the upgrade path is a full reinstall each time.

<crimsun> you may wish to use aptitude instead of apt-get, but that's your call. Just don't use gksu "update-manager -c"

<crimsun> Tmob: among other things, the former's an X app while the latter's a cli

<Tmob> crimsun, but functionality wise there is no difference right?

<crimsun> Tmob: they are different applications with different features. They just happen to both offer upgrade capability.

<Tmob> gotcha

<bruno_> salut à tous

<bruno_> Une petite question en ce début de journée.

<Tmob> any place where i can get feature list of xubuntu?

<Tmob> 6.10... want to see wahts new

<bruno_> oh ! sorry I speak french :D

<bruno_> I'd like to know if someone arrived to install Beryl with a new fresh install edgy, a chipset i810 and Beryl ?

<grem> hi :)

<grem> anyone running xgl ?

<tim> g'day..

<tim> not me..

<crimsun> I use AIGLX.

<grem> with ati?

<crimsun> no, with i810.

<grem> ah :)

<bruno_> yes me too aiglx

<olaef> im trying to install and configure xgl + beryl in xubuntu...

<grem> me too

<olaef> have started an xgl session in xfce4 right now I think.

<olaef> but cant get beryl to work.

<grem> fglrx drivers didnt get installed :\

<bruno_> me aiglx + beryl + xubuntu

<grem> bruno_, ati ?

<olaef> how do you start beryl?

<grem> beryl-manager

<grem> isn't it?

<olaef> im trying with beryl in terminal but it says another manager is running.

<olaef> tried that too.

<tim> is it true that aiglx is included in dapper?

<bruno_> no i810 intel, I start beryl-manager auto on startup

<crimsun> tim: it's enabled by default.

<tim> nice.. what if your hardware is too shit?

<crimsun> tim: (just as composite is loaded by default)

<crimsun> tim: then you disable it explicitly.

<tim> cool..

<tim> is there a list of cards it will and wont work with somewhere?

<bruno_> yes but i don't remember where

<tim> k, i'll find it.. :)

<tim> i get a 'new' computer this week..

<bruno_> great

<tim> been using a 800mhs p3 laptop with 128mb ram for 6 months.. jesus.

<grem> seems that aiglx prefers ati opensource drivers

<tim> which will be a pita if you wanna run some games etc?

<bruno_> tim, I don't understand this word : pita (sorry I'm french) :D

<jhaig> bruno_: PITA = Pain In The Arse.

<bruno_> ok thx

<bruno_> lol

<bruno_> ok great

<bruno_> :D

<tim> :)

<Xubuntian> hello

<Xubuntian> muhaha

<Xubuntian> whyyyy

<Xubuntian> i don't understand the menu editor in xfce

<infornography> How do I get all the multimedia codecs I need for playing movies. I don't see any libxine-extracodecs package as the documentation claims

<maydaytx> infornography: theyre in the multiverse

<infornography> I added universe and multiverse

<maydaytx> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libxine-extracodecs

<infornography> That should do it. Thanks

<maydaytx> np

<Xubuntian> sorry?

<Xubuntian> i don't understand how can i edit a menu in xfce

<Xubuntian> the menu is full, but in the menu editor there are no entries!!!

<Xubuntian> how am i supposed to edit?

<maydaytx> i need to that line "--- include --- system" ...is what populates it

<maydaytx> -"i need to"

<maydaytx> Xubuntian: what exactly are you trying to edit?

<Xubuntian> ok there's a list of programs in there like matlab eclipse and others

<Xubuntian> but they are in the wrong submenu

<Xubuntian> think that the OpenOffice database is under Multimedia... :|

<maydaytx> hmm

<Xubuntian> maydaytx, what do i have to do then?

<maydaytx> what does it say when you type: cat /usr/share/applications/*office*.desktop | grep Categories

<Xubuntian> cat: /usr/share/applications/*office*.desktop: No such file or directory

<Stork> yay

<maydaytx> try changing office to oo

<Xubuntian> ?

<maydaytx> i dont know, cause i dont use OO

<Xubuntian> oh, ok

<maydaytx> cat /usr/share/applications/*oo*.desktop | grep Categories

<Xubuntian> maydaytx, why?

<Xubuntian> isn't there a way of updating manually?

<Xubuntian> like in kde?

<maydaytx> the menu uses all those .desktop files in that folder

<Xubuntian> yeah, i know...

<Xubuntian> there's no way of editing them directly?

<maydaytx> it puts them in the submenus by the Categories line

<Xubuntian> I see

<maydaytx> yeah...you just edit that line if you want it in a different place

<Xubuntian> so i have to open each and change categories

<Xubuntian> isn't there an editor?

<Stork> so what does XFCE look like?

<maydaytx> you on edgy i take it?

<MattJ_> Hey... anyone here got beryl working with Xfce?

<maydaytx> Stork: heres a couple of screenshots http://www-test.xfce.org/about/screenshots

<Stork> cheers

<Stork> hmm, that looks exactly like gnome

<romana> does

<romana> just lighter weight

<Stork> cool

<Stork> my laptop will thank you. it's shit

<romana> my middle daughter has lower end lappie

<romana> it runs kde - she just really likes xfce

<romana> she had the choice, chose xfce, so there you go

<maydaytx> Xubuntian: the .desktop file for OO-base has the line: Categories=Application;Office;Database

<maydaytx> that would show up in the Office menu

<grem> can't get beryl to work :\

<grem> you guys recomend any xubuntu + aiglx + beryl tutorial?

<grem> 6.10

<olaef> grem

<olaef> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL

<grem> tks, checking it out

<grem> :)

<olaef> did work for me. did recently installed everything.

<grem> oh

<grem> i tried this earlier on a kubuntu

<grem> and it was kinda frying my monitor :S

<grem> its XGL too, not AIGLX

<grem> oh found it :)

<grem> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX

<grem> beryl: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0

<grem> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0.0

<grem> =\

<maydaytx> killall xfwm4 ?

<grem> yeah tks

<grem> killall xfwm4; beryl does the trick

<grem> :)

<maydaytx> np...you probably can edit a file to make xfwm4 not start up

<grem> probabilly the best way to do this is through a different session heh?

<maydaytx> yeah

<grem> ok

<grem> tks maydaytx

<MattJ> That's exactly what I'm trying to do now :)

<grem> tks olaef

<grem> =)

<grem> hehe :D

<MattJ> grem, if you find how to stop xfwm, let me know :)

<maydaytx> killall xfwm4

<MattJ> Manually at startup?

<MattJ> That's boring :)

<maydaytx> you can type it in a terminal

<maydaytx> then run beryl

<MattJ> Beryl's working great, I just don't know how to get it to work automatically

<maydaytx> save the session when you logout

<MattJ> Oki, I'll try that

<MattJ> Wobbly windows make me laugh ^^

<grem> :D

<grem> this minimize/restore animation is great lol

<grem> great for the first couple of minutes, than I'll disable it :P

<MattJ> :D

* icheyne is away: I'm busy

<MattJ> Xubuntu user: "My PC has never run so slow! It's great!"

<icheyne> anyone had any problems with the alternate install disk?

<icheyne> anyone had any success with it? :)

<MattJ> I've not tried in Edgy

<MattJ> Dapper worked perfect

<icheyne> cool

<icheyne> thx

<icheyne> I'll try it tonight

<grem> I installed with the alternate, icheyne

<icheyne> oh yes?

<grem> my cd drive doesnt like the live cd

<icheyne> how did it go?

<icheyne> easy to use?

<grem> yeah

<grem> no problems :)

<icheyne> superb

<icheyne> :)

<icheyne> thx

<grem> np :)

<irvin> is the update-manager bug already resolved?

<irvin> bug 68027

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68027

<grem> MattJ, I think I'm gonna try add a new session, which exec xfce4-session, kills xfwm4 and starts beryl-manager

<grem> brb =)

<MattJ> Session file? or something to replace xfce-session?

<MattJ_> Hey HeathenDan :)

<HeathenDan> yo

<wayne> anyone sucessfully installed xubuntu 6.06 on a 128MB pc? I launched the CD here and it runs insanely slow, keeps reading the CD non-stop for hours and i couldn't get any further than the timezone page :(

<vinze> Perhaps you could try the Alternate Install CD, but it should work with 128MB

<wayne> hrm, let's try that

<wayne> i'va had quite an unlucky day yesterday. Tried to install ubuntu eft server and then install xubuntu-desktop, but it left me in a unworkable X (no display) :( i'll go fetch the alternate

<irvin> wayne, i'm running it on a 128mb laptop

<vinze> There you have it ;)

<wayne> there's something that has to be wrong cause by the time i typed all of this so far, the "Welcome" page hasn't finished writing on the installer from the livecd!

<irvin> wayne, i gave up on using the livecd to install xubuntu. just use the alternate cd it'll work perfectly

<vinze> ???

<wayne> irvin: why did you abandon it?

<irvin> wayne, it crawls...

<wayne> heh ok

<wayne> 4th cd to burn then! :)

<wayne> 3rd actually

<wayne> hot damn ubuntu's download servers are fast-t-t

<wayne> (today.)

<vinze> And Xubuntu 6.10 still has not been officially released...

<wayne> because of the upgrader problem?

<vinze> Yeah

<wayne> heh i'll have to wait for that upgrader fix to upgrade my (other) laptop

<wayne> i really love xubuntu :) Been using it since the day it came otu

<vinze> I even before :D

<vinze> Since Breezy

<maydaytx> i did a server install on warty and compiled xfce

<wayne> meh, for servers i go debian

<vinze> We have a winner!

<vinze> :P

<vinze> The improvement of Xfce 4.4 over 4.2 was/is huge

<maydaytx> yeah

<vinze> I really was "wow" all the time when I took Dapper Flight 4

<wayne> haha man i just found out about the confusion around Xubuntu and xUbuntu :) open-source developperes are fun

<wayne> vinze: for my understandment, Dapper comes with which version of Xfce?

<vinze> 4.4svn I believe

<maydaytx> its not quite 4.4

<vinze> It had two panels

<wayne> ok so Eft isn't going to wow me that much then?

<vinze> Customizable I mean

<skateinmars> wayne, the xfce version in dapper is 4.4 beta 1

<vinze> No, not for me anyway

<maydaytx> thats supposed to be released next week

<maydaytx> the final that is

<vinze> They already have RC1

<maydaytx> yeah

<vinze> It's beta 2 in Edgy right?

<maydaytx> dunno

<maydaytx> its not rc1?

<vinze> I didn't think so

<vinze> Wait

<maydaytx> thats been out since early september

<vinze> It says 4.3.90.2

<vinze> But that's the xfce4 package which isn't installed

<maydaytx> 4.3.99.1 is RC1

<vinze> Right... So this one's not

<maydaytx> i think thats beta 2

<vinze> Think so too

<vinze> prelink, is that only useful when your computer's turned for long times?

<maydaytx> it looks like alot of the xfce packages are rc1, though

<vinze> Ah well, I don't really bother

<vinze> I am translating Thunar though, and I see some strings applying to features I don't have yet

<vinze> But that's the latest SVN

<maydaytx> i thought there was a string freeze

<vinze> Could be

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<sensei> Anyone got an AOL email address I can send a test email to ?

<vinze> Why AOL?

<bdgraue> $ mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list

<bdgraue> Segmentation fault (core dumped)

<bdgraue> what can i do now?

<wayne> can mousepad open other files?

<bdgraue> no

<bdgraue> same problem when open mousepad only

<wayne> do you need help fixing sources.list, or mousepad

<bdgraue> mousepad is the problem, not the sources lsit...

<vinze> Try nano

<vinze> $ sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list

<wayne> k then sorry i can't help you with that, i could've only offered alternatives to mousepad

<bdgraue> zhat doesn't fix my problem with mousepad

<wayne> try removing the mousepad package and reinstalling it maybe?

<bdgraue> on the way

<wayne> could try to purge the config files before reinstalling too, couldn't hurt

<bdgraue> reinstalling does not help

<bdgraue> i did an --purge remove

<wayne> allright then

<wayne> any other information given at the time of crash?

<bdgraue> same problem :(

<bdgraue> no nothing

<wayne> anything in the logs?

<bdgraue> hmm, where did i find the logs?

<wayne> i'd try /var/log/syslog

<bdgraue> wayne there ist nothing about mousepad

<wayne> Sorry, that's all I can suggest

<wayne> could try to create a new user and log as that to see if, maybe, mousepad crashes because of something in your profile configuration

<wayne> wild speculations here

<Ubuntix> Hi, does anyone know about the dapper->edgy update bug? If it's about to be solved or a way around it?

<wayne> Ubuntix: from what i saw, they know about it, and are working actively on it

<wayne> My god the installer is going to kill my cd-rom drive.

<MattJ> rofl

<maydaytx> yeah...im installing it on an old machine...sounds like WW2

<wayne> next time i think i'll just skip the cds altogether and attempt a netboot

<Amon-san> hi

<Amon-san> hi got a problem with the width of the settings window because my graphics adapter does not seem to support higher resolutions than 1280*1024

<Amon-san> the consequence of that (plus some wide buttons in the settings wiew) make the window bigger than my screen

<bdgraue> same problem here

<Amon-san> can i edit the icon descriptions that make the buttons that big?

<Amon-san> bdgraue: or do you know any ressourceful website on that problem?

<bdgraue> Amon-san: no sorry, i accepted the bug ;)

<Amon-san> :-(

<wayne> Hooray! the "alternate" edition worked ine for me :)

<baikonur> hi

<Stork> guess i have to stick with ubuntu

<Stork> can't change the boot order in my laptop

<Stork> is it possible to install xubuntu over my current edgy installation?

<crimsun> what do you mean?

<crimsun> install Xfce alongside GNOME?

<Stork> well i currently have edgy on my laptop

<crimsun> if so, yes

<Stork> okay, how?

<crimsun> sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop

<Stork> cool

<Stork> now i just need to get X working again...

<baikonur> what exactly are the "complications when upgrading from Dapper to Edgy via update-manager, apt, Synaptic or otherwise"? Is there a bug report where can read about the status? I couldn't find one

<MattJ> baikonur, there is somehwere

<MattJ> It crashes, and you get left with a dead installation

<MattJ> I don't advide you try it :)

<crimsun> bug 68027

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/68027

<baikonur> thank you

<Stork> is that just with xubuntu?

<Stork> i did that on normal dapper and it left me with a broken X

<crimsun> so far, only with Xubuntu Dapper->Edgy

<MattJ> I always do a clean install

<MattJ> I made /home on a seperate partition

<MattJ> So it's easy :)

<baikonur> imho there should be a stronger warning then. "Please note there may currently be some complications" sounds not so drastic as it actually appears to be

<Stork> MattJ, i can't, my laptop's boot order is locked

<MattJ> o_O

<MattJ> You can;t partition your drive?

<Stork> yep

<MattJ> Nice one

<Stork> well

<Stork> i can partition

<MattJ> What barnd laptop?

<MattJ> *brand

<Stork> but i can't install xubuntu

<Stork> from a cd

<Stork> anyway, quake4 time

<MattJ> :P

<lastenvaunut> hey i edgy much diffrent than dapper?

<MattJ> Not too much

<MattJ> It has a recycle bin

<MattJ> :P

<MattJ> If you have no probs with dapper, you don't have to upgrade

<MattJ> I couldn't get my ATI card to work with dapper

<MattJ> Edgy boots faster... that's something too

<lastenvaunut> woo recyle bin :P

<wayne> recycle bin is actually a pretty damn good idea

<MattJ> :P

<MattJ> Edgy also has an Add/emove software app, as well as Synaptic

<lastenvaunut> mm ok

<Stork> help lol, i have no idea how to fix xserver

<Zeqfreed> to edit config?

<Stork> it says 'Fatal server error: no screens found'

<Zeqfreed> provide a screen to it :)

<Stork> i'm using a config generated by aticonfig

<Zeqfreed> sorry i have no idea

<Stork> :(

<Zeqfreed> any other errors? or maybe hints

<Stork> nope :\

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<maxamillion> so .. installed edgy in my older iBookG4 ... runs sooo good, about to get MoL going so i can vpn into campus :)

<Storkme> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so

<Storkme> (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7)

<Storkme> (EE) No devices detected.

<maxamillion> :(

<maxamillion> that doesn't sound pleasant

<Storkme> nope :(

<Storkme> but it's not xubuntu's fauly

<Storkme> fault*

<Storkme> it's ubuntu's fauly

<Storkme> fault**

<maxamillion> yeah, the ubuntu-base is borked?

<Storkme> guess so

<vinze> Is the problem with the Xubuntu torrents already fixed?

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<icheyne> who cares about a dapper menu editor bug now

<icheyne> :)

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<vinze> I don't

<Wulong> Ehm, you forgot changing index.html file in Xubuntu Live. It still say's "Welcome to Xubuntu 6.06".

<Zeqfreed> i am so exhausted by studying.. it takes away all my will to code

<alnokta> Hello fellows ... I have a strange problem ... I cannot login twice without rebooting ...

<Zeqfreed> what the error?

<alnokta> there is no errors(at least I can see) ..what happens is as follows : I use logout ... when I type the username and about to type the password ... the screen wents crazy ,.. and sometimes even restarts by itself

<alnokta> though it works just fine during the first start without logging out

<Zeqfreed> you mean the logout from x session?

<jcwinnie> Anyone have experience upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10 on vmware?

<jcwinnie> I used update-manager

<alnokta> using "Quit" --> "Logout" ..

<jcwinnie> Seemed to update after many hours

<jcwinnie> Now nothing but background

<Zeqfreed> alnokta: quite weird, i have no idea what the possible error can be. any records in syslog?

<TheSheep> jcwinnie: alt+f2 ?

<jcwinnie> Hiya Woolie, Will try that

<alnokta> how to view the log ... will it contain old information ?

<Zeqfreed> it should

<TheSheep> alnokta: logs are in /var/log

<Zeqfreed> less /var/log/syslog

<TheSheep> alnokta: you can '\less' them

<TheSheep> 'less'

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<jcwinnie> TheSheep nada

<jcwinnie> no response

<alnokta> hold a sec so I can note it

<JKnife> try through sudo

<TheSheep> jcwinnie: you did log in?

<TheSheep> jcwinnie: can you describe what happens since turning on the (virtual) computer?

<jcwinnie> login had been aut

<jcwinnie> TheSheep restore virtual state machine

<jcwinnie> wait for VMWARE splash to disappear

<jcwinnie> Move mouse around to regain cursor

<jcwinnie> 6.06 background

<jcwinnie> No taskbar

<jcwinnie> Nothing

<TheSheep> jcwinnie: can you reboot?

<jcwinnie> No

<jcwinnie> Wait

<TheSheep> jcwinnie: I mean the vmware thing

<jcwinnie> Now I got a window

<jcwinnie> something about run in trminal

<crimsun> jcwinnie: that's a known issue when dist-upgrading in Xubuntu

<jcwinnie> last used was FTE

<TheSheep> ok, type 'xfce4-panel' in it

<crimsun> jcwinnie: we recommend you use apt-get dist-upgrade instead of gksu "update-manager -c"

<crimsun> jcwinnie: this is covered in the release announcement

<TheSheep> crimsun: thanks

<jcwinnie> ta da

<jcwinnie> Well I was in a rush to get the latest and greatest

<jcwinnie> so followed Internet instructions

<jcwinnie> gksu "update-manager"

<TheSheep> crimsun: btw, is there any trace of a single user reading the announcmenet? ;)

<jcwinnie> also apt-get dist-upgrade failed to work

<crimsun> jcwinnie: you need to run it twice at least.

<jcwinnie> Announcement> for the Fete'

<crimsun> if you use aptitude dist-upgrade, it only needs to be done once

<jcwinnie> I dinna get no nouncement

<jcwinnie> must be on the B list

<jcwinnie> yep, tried aptitude too

<jcwinnie> crimsun it being what?

<crimsun> the dist-upgrade

<crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-October/000096.html

<crimsun> I really wish people would read _first_.

<jcwinnie> well if it don't run once, it ain't going to run twice RTFM folk

<crimsun> that guy has no clue.

<crimsun> then again, he didn't read the announcement, whaddya know.

<TheSheep>

<Jester45> can anyone please explain how to mount a harddrive

<Jester45> hi sheep

<TheSheep> Jester45: man mount

<Zeqfreed> that was the answer i typed but decided not to post :)

<Jester45> dont you have to edit fstab or something

<klaxian> does anyone know how to make the screen lock on my laptop when i close the lid?

<Zeqfreed> in the simpliest case no

<TheSheep> Jester45: no if you don't want it to stay

<Jester45> i want it to stay

<TheSheep> Jester45: fstab is for mounting automagically on boot

<MagicFab> Hi - can anyone one read the 6.10 announcement ? I get "access refused" : http://xubuntu.org/news/6_10_released

<alnokta> I don't know, it seems very long ... does this seem normal? I mean a normal restart? "gdm[3582]: GDM detected a halt or restart in progress. desktop exiting on signal 15"

<TheSheep> Jester45: but the options are the same as for mount

<Zeqfreed> automagically, lol

<Jester45> TheSheep: i upgraded to edgy and i didnt like it so i downgraded

<crimsun> MagicFab: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-October/000096.html

<TheSheep> Jester45: best stick with what works for you

<icheyne> is the official xubuntu release the same as the one that was available this morning and linked to from the front page?

<klaxian> does anyone know how to make the screen lock on my laptop when i close the lid? i believe i have configured gnome-power-manager and xscreensaver correctly, but it won't lock the screen

<MagicFab> tx. Who should I contact to fix the x.org site ? no contact info there...

<alnokta> and before that one there were several of these "init: tty6 process (3418) killed by signal 15"

<Jester45> TheSheep: yep, where is fstab i think i remeber what to put in it

<TheSheep> Jester45: /etc/fstab

<TheSheep> Jester45: man fstab if you have doubts :)

<Jester45> thanks

<icheyne> Jester45, there are lots of tutorials on the web too

<Jester45> icheyne: i did this before but dont rember it all

<Jester45> so far today i have went from

<TheSheep> klaxian: you'd need to run xflock4 when the lid is closed, but not sure where to put it...

<Jester45> 6.10 to 6.10 again back to 6.06 to 6.10 back to 6.06

<Jester45> :)

<klaxian> TheSheep: yes that's my question :-P

<TheSheep> klaxian: probably somewhere in inittab

<klaxian> ok

<Jester45> fist ide cable slave would be hdb right

<Jester45> first partition also

<TheSheep> hdb1

<Jester45> ok

<klaxian> TheSheep: maybe /etc/acpi/actions/ ?

<archangelpetro> isnt klaxian a race from master of orion?

<TheSheep> klaxian: yes, I think it's a better idea

<klaxian> archangelpetro: no idea

<Jester45> TheSheep: do you know if i should put any options on it

<Jester45> and should i keep the dump and pass at 0

<icheyne> is the official xubuntu release the same as the one that was available this morning and linked to from the front page?

<icheyne> anyone know?

<TheSheep> Jester45: options -- depends on what you want, dump and pass -- keep them 0 if you don't want the disk checked at boot