<chaddy> davee: getting the same gpg error on a brand new dapper install, thinking key server might be down

<chaddy> s/down/wonky

<gord> wouldn't supprise me

<gord> although to be honest I don't think I have ever been surprised by a key server

<NeoThermic> we all sleeping after LWE?

<gord> its 3am

<NeoThermic> Yes, yes it is.

<NeoThermic> I'm just watching the upgrade go at 45.4K/s

<gord> I say the same thing every 6 months to people 'get the rc, don't wait for release day' no on ever ever ever listens though n they just sit n complain instead >:(

<NeoThermic> hehe, it isn't the fact that the servers are loaded, I've just got crappy internet

<davee> chaddy: Interesting observation: have you raised a bug report about it?

* davee tests a Dapper->Edgy upgrade via VMware

<popey> morning ratfans

<popey> davee: why?

<popey> your hardware will differ won't it?

<popey> and the applications installed?

<popey> so likelyhood is that the test wont really reflect the real machine?

<GazzaK> morning popey

* popey wonders how much someone might pay for a hard disk containing an edgy mirror :)

<popey> right now I'd guess that would be quite handy :)

<davee> popey: Yes, I realise it's not a good *hardware* test, I just wanted to see what it *did*, so I know what to expect :-)

<davee> Wow, the upgrade is *fast* via a Janet connection ;-)

<popey> it won't look any different than a normal upgrade IME

<popey> hehe

<popey> what mirror are you using?

<popey> gb.archive.?

<davee> popey: Not true if you use update manager via the GUI - it makes a big song/dance about upgrading ...

<davee> popey: Yep, gb.archive

<davee> I appear to have a 2.8ms ping to gb.archive.ubuntu.com ...

<popey> nice

<davee> ... and a nine minute ping to popey

<popey> hehehe

<davee> D'you have a good LinuxExpo, BTW? Still disappointed I couldn't get there

<popey> personally I found it fantastic

<popey> absolutely loved it

<davee> I've been the last two years and found it a bit too corporate, but that was probably because I wasn't able to attend the Evening Social Thing

<popey> our stand was madly busy at times

<popey> even with 4 of us there we sometimes had people waiting

<popey> lots of people wanted to see demos of Edgy and/or XGL/AIGLX/Compiz/beryl

<GazzaK> it was a good expo

<GazzaK> sorry I did not get to talk much popey

<GazzaK> you were busy each time I popped over

<popey> np

<popey> that's a good thing!

<GazzaK> but I had a good look at the MythTV stand next door, guess what I'm gonna build for my new house (i'm in the process of moving)

<GazzaK> and a lot of the stands had ubuntu/kubuntu cd's, the gnome and kde stands in particular - both ran out of cd's

<popey> yeah, people kept coming to blag CDs from us

* popey needs to blog about it

<GazzaK> The shirts nik brought were great, I wore mine yesterday at work and was called a geek

<popey> I have one on today :)

<GazzaK> hiya jono morning

<jono> hey

<popey> YO!

<GazzaK> how did yesterday go?

<jono> hey popey :)

<jono> went really well :)

<popey> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6088896.stm wow

<GazzaK> talk about the big boys taking over!

<GazzaK> "yeah, lets undercut the competition, wipe them out, then increase prices"

<GazzaK> [sarcastic] never seen that before [/sarcastic]

<loudmouthman> morning

<loudmouthman> screw you then <grin>

<loudmouthman> right well im about to go offline ..but i'll have figures by the weekend for how we did in terms of CDs and Shirts!

<Sionide> cool

<Sionide> i wanted a tshirt but they only had XXL left and i'm very much an M or even S :(

<popey> they're doing another order I believe

<popey> "they" == nick == loudmouthman

<popey> s/nick/nik

<popey> he was taking orders from people

<Sionide> aye i spoke to him but i figured i'd just order from the net

<popey> we had a fair few people asking to buy them

<DarkFlib> I was after a brown one..

<DarkFlib> but there were none left

<DarkFlib> :(

<loudmouthman> back ...

<loudmouthman> so anyway yes im taking more orders...

<GazzaK> hey nik

<GazzaK> thanks for the top, it's great :-)

<loudmouthman> your welcome .. im ordering 20 more and have order for 8 so far...

<loudmouthman> im going to use some money for lanyards, caps and the rest as well

<loudmouthman> im glad everyone had a great time .. it wasnt really possible without alan, alan, alan, mathew, paul, tony,laura,steward, adam, shcwug .. and the rest who right about now escape me if only because im on the phone!

<loudmouthman> and yes we have one XXL polo left special offer £11.00

<popey> lol alan, alan, alan, alan

<popey> "the alans"

<loudmouthman> yes it was getting a bit like we were starting a mailing list and only kepy hitting the top of the list !

<loudmouthman> I wonder if theres a statistical abberation that puts alans close to being geeks

<loudmouthman> its the open source equivalent of dave gorman.

<NeoThermic> doh. Edgy removed ndiswrapper

<VooDoo> afternoon

<jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=801

<popey> \o/ four pint friday

<popey> not as good as five pint friday, but good nonetheless

<popey> "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.jonobacon.org."

<GazzaK> yeah jono broke it

<GazzaK> I think

<jono> back now

<popey> \o/ CieD

<CieD> \o/

<jono> bleeding slow :P

* CieD pulls his hair out

<popey> it's struggling a bit

<popey> jono, would you like some decent hosting? :)

<popey> what's up CieD ?

<popey> your slug having issues?

<CieD> bootstrapping is causing me grief

<jono> popey, heh

<CieD> I'm losing ethernet when I boot the damned thing

<GazzaK> you too

<GazzaK> I keep losing it too on bootup and have to manually mess about

<CieD> ahh you too

<GazzaK> only on my wireless

<CieD> I can 't get it to work with the bootstrap, and there's no support on the irc channel

<GazzaK> and not all the time either

<CieD> Gazzak, is that ubuntu, or the nslu2?

<CieD> I have no problems with ubuntu

<GazzaK> it ubuntu

<GazzaK> it's

<CieD> I presume you've had lots of help from the people in here?

<GazzaK> it's only been playing up the last few days, and to be honest I'm not sure if it is the machine, or my router at home

<GazzaK> it's not consistent you see

<CieD> ahh, always fun

<GazzaK> yeah

<GazzaK> until I can repoduce it in a consistent manner, i'll keep messing about with it on my own

<CieD> I'm having problems bootstrapping debian into an nslu2

<GazzaK> if I knew what bootstrapping was....

<GazzaK> and nslu2

<CieD> nslu2 is a small network USB server

<CieD> so you can plug USB HDD's direct into your LAN

<CieD> flash the unit and you can put debian onto one of the HDDs

<CieD> bootstrap says to the flashed unit to look in a certain place for the OS to boot

<CieD> ie, the USB hard drive

<CieD> all good fun.. but taxing :|

<GazzaK> sounds really cool, but way too geeky :p

<popey> jono, minor typo in your blog post s/

<popey> s/exciting/excited

<jono> ahhh bugger

<GazzaK> jono's site is still unavailible to me

<jono> yeah still really busy

<popey> is jb.org still running on angel @ bytemark?

<jono> no its on a dedicated vm now

<jono> still at bytemark

<popey> what kinda spec?

<popey> 48K Spectrum ;)

<jono> hewh

<jono> I can't remember the spec

<popey> does the box just max out?

<popey> well, if you need help, just shout

<popey> nice blog post by the way

<jono> yeah its maxing out

<jono> problem is, my site has been getting hammered recently as it is well syndicated

<jono> maybe a need a dedicated box

<popey> part of it will be how many other VMs are on the same box as you

<popey> the hosting I use for gallery.popey.com is really excellent

<popey> It's done by Andy Smith who does most of the admin for lug.org.uk

<popey> in fact he's here as grifferz :)

<popey> I'd highly recommend his hosting as an option

<popey> I have recommended other members of the community to use his services and they've been very happy with what they got

<jono> cool

<mattl> hey.. i'm a new Ubuntu user, veteran GNU/Linux user...

<popey> \o/ hello

<popey> welcome to our community

<mattl> i think i met some of you at LinuxWorld.

<popey> I was the fat one :)

<mattl> that was most of us, surely? ;)

<popey> :)

<mattl> i had a wooly hat on all the time.

<mattl> but yes, i am now an Edgy user, part in thanks to drunken conversation with jono.

<popey> hehe

<mattl> but yeah.. i'd love to be able to help out with things. i'm very good at making internets and awful at doing things on mailing lists.

<AdamBagnall> Evenin' all

<eztk> oh dear

<eztk> the upgrade messed things up.. LOL

<eztk> *looks for a decent torrent to get Ubuntu 6.10 DVD i386*

<eztk> time for a clean install me thinks

<SlimeyPete> mmm, the upgrade failed for me too

<eztk> gnome just hung

<eztk> and it kept moaning during the upgrade

<SlimeyPete> it didn't install the main theme so the splash screen wouldn't load, which meant the system wouldn't boot

<eztk> i didnt get the graphical boot up.. it was doing that in text mode

<eztk> got a bit further than you.. got far as log in

<eztk> once i logged in it started moaning.. then couldnt do anything after that

<eztk> what's the best way to do a cleaner install whilst keeping the home directory safe ?

<eztk> e.g., FireFox sessions etc

<eztk> add-ons, et

<eztk> etc

<davee> eztk: Is your home directory a separate partition?

<eztk> davee: nope. on the same drive.

<eztk> same partition even

<eztk> whatever the default partition settings were

<eztk> when i did a fresh install of dapper

<davee> Hmm, tricky, in that case.

<davee> I'd suggest doing a backup, via a Live CD or something

<davee> Then a complete re-install, wiping /home, which you can restore later

* davee always makes sure that /home is a separate partition, for exactly this reason

<eztk> good point

<davee> I would have thought that the Ubuntu installer would do this, actually

<davee> Or at least give it as an "easy" option

<davee> Of course, you can do it using a more advanced partitioning step during install, but that'll scare Average Users

<eztk> i might just copy the stuff i want then wipe and start again

* davee currently has his laptop dist-upgrading to Edgy

* davee has his fingers crossed

<eztk> good luck davee

<davee> eztk: Probably the most reliable way, all things considered

<davee> It had "11 minutes remaining" about 5 minutes ago

<eztk> davee: should i download the DVD version or the CD ?

<davee> Now it has "9 hours 43 minutes remaining"

<davee> eztk: What's your hardware?

<eztk> davee: AMD Athlon XP 2200+, 1 GB RAM, 160 GB HD, Nvidia 4200ti card

<eztk> its a 3 year old box

<eztk> oh not forgetting the DVD burner

<davee> I'd suggest the main single installation CD

<eztk> ok. what are the advantages of using the DVD?

<davee> Well, it might be useful if you were installing to many machines from the same media

<davee> But if you've got reasonable network bandwidth, just get the smaller CD and do a basic install - you can install the extra applications over the network afterwards

<eztk> ok

<eztk> well got about 6mb ADSL

<eztk> supposed to be up to 16mb

<eztk> sucky line quality and all that

<davee> There's a torrent up for teh CD images, I think somewhere

<eztk> cheers for the heads up

<eztk> just looking for that

<eztk> on the ubuntu website

<davee> Might be faster than the direct download this close to release

<davee> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/edgy/

<davee> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent - I mean this

<eztk> thanks

<davee> No problem

<eztk> ooh 5 kb/s download speed :|

<eztk> 13 seeding, 502 peering

<eztk> 200 kb/sec direct download.. think I'll stick to that

<eztk> http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=ubuntu+desktop

<eztk> much better if you want a faster torrent

<nettogaurav> hello ana

<nettogaurav> hello every body

<eztk> hi

<eztk> you shop at netto often?

<nettogaurav> no

<nettogaurav> can i message u eztk

<eztk> why

<eztk> ask the question in here

<nettogaurav> ok

<nettogaurav> i installed edubuntu and want to do java and c programming in it

<eztk> right

<nettogaurav> but could not find gcc

<eztk> presumably you want to install the compilers?

<eztk> im no expert, but I think you need to look in synaptic software manager

<nettogaurav> yes

<eztk> or something along those lines

<nettogaurav> ok

<nettogaurav> can i get a gui for programming such as turbo c we have for c programming for linux

<eztk> erm. Look up Mono

<eztk> I think that's a GUI programming environment?

<nettogaurav> and for java

<nettogaurav> programming

<mattt> anyone here use ubuntu on ppc?

<eztk> not sure about java

<eztk> try #ubuntu

<eztk> peaked 546kb/sec on the torrent :)

<sorush20> hi anyone here got bulldog?

<mattt> hell no

<sorush20> why?

<SlimeyPete> because they're renouned for being shite?

<grifferz> heh

<mattt> there are too many good isps to have to settle for that shit

<grifferz> even plusnet users wouldn't use bulldog

<eztk> i wouldnt touch bulldog

<eztk> got SKY instead

<eztk> :)

<eztk> even though I'm nowhere near the 16MB

<eztk> still, a tenner a month aint bad

<eztk> was paying 34 quid a month to pipex before.. for 2 measly megs

<mattt> howdy do

<grifferz> lo

<mattt> some cool wallpapers on http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper

<grimace> rar

<grimace> edgy iso bittorrented in about 15 minutes flat

<grimace> having a bit of trouble getting apt to recognise it as a source though, anyone help?

<grimace> (apt, or synaptic, for that matter)

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