<purserj> still no fan slaves?

*** han2 is now known as hantu

<hantu> moin

<bimberi> hi hantu

<hantu> howdy howdy

<hantu> funny how click the download link only shows 1 australian mirror, for edgy

<hantu> s/click/clicking/

<bimberi> hm, there were 3 mirrors yesterday

<hantu> i saw only UWA

<hantu> ugh

<hantu> silly autogreet in #ubuntu

* adhoc is now post coffee

<adhoc> purserj: we didn't get to rowdy

<adhoc> purserj: had a pint at the bbc and had thai =)

<purserj> nice

<hantu> woo

<hantu> uh

<hantu> stucked with instant coffee

<hantu> :o

<hantu> hows you guys tis mornin?

<siccness> I hate old people who pull you over to tell you that you got a flat tyre

<siccness> Sif I don't already know

<cafuego> siccness: YOU GOT A FLAT TYRE!

<hantu> OLD MAN!

<hantu> hey big sicc.

<siccness> Been a tough morning, I woke up late, went to KFC and came home. Boy I work hard.

<cafuego> Oh crap. Local hail tonight!?

<hantu> wherebout, caf?

<hantu> siccness: you just went out to grab food, whats so hardworking about that?

* hantu stabs sicc

<siccness> :P

<hantu> i had kfc last night, went to the driverthru at springvale road after leaving the library at about 12am

<hantu> :P

<siccness> kfc is the best fast food takeaway ive decided

<hantu> agreed.

<hantu> they need a 24/7 HJ as well in SEsuburbs

<siccness> Haha, my mothers patients have some of the weirdest names

<siccness> Sweet, Victoria will be the home of the biggest wind-farm in the southern hemisphere! :D

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<ajmitch> siccness: surely canberra would be more appropriate?

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<elkbuntu> ajmitch, lol. agreed

<purserj> ajmitch: maybe a combo job air and geothermal

<siccness> Canberra: Territory not found.

<siccness> Sorry, doesn't seem to exist.

<siccness> Wow, it's raining in Melbourne. Sweet:D

<siccness> Flat tyre, wet roads, should be interesting :|

<elkbuntu> sky is clear blue here still

<siccness> You better pray for rain.

<siccness> Rain gives that depressing, sad feel. Love it!

<siccness> and the smell of rain, ahh beautiful.

<purserj> not after weeks and weeks of sun it doesn't

<siccness> Smells pretty damn good if you ask me.

<siccness> -gives the thumbsup-

<elkbuntu> siccness, considering we are in drought, of course rain would be good

<siccness> Yup

<siccness> <--Typing 500 entries manually into gedit with comma-seperators :|

<siccness> This is not fun.

<siccness> Luckily im getting cash for it :D

<hantu> frickin rain just borked my motivation to continue study

<elkbuntu> lol

<hantu> i felt like sleeping

<hantu> average 3hrs of sleep everyday this week :(

<hantu> this got to suck.

<siccness> Are you bad-talkin my rain?

<siccness> look mate, I don't wanna have to put the gloves on, but ill do it :)

<hantu> gloves?

<hantu> do it?

<siccness> Haha

<hantu> prostate test?

<siccness> Yup :D

* hantu freaks out.

<siccness> Don't think I won't go in there :D

<siccness> anyways, back to work.

<hantu> i dont wanna, either.

<hantu> enjoy

<hantu> back to this pathetic land of books.

<hantu> hi elk, bye elk, btw :)

<siccness> You guys wanna here a funny name?

<hantu> siccness?

<siccness> Mr Semen M Komkha

<hantu> stop making fun of me!

<hantu> er

<hantu> the name!

<siccness> lol

<siccness> I got about 500 weird names here

<siccness> theres like 1 skip on the entire list.

<siccness> Haralabopoulos :|

<siccness> big of a tongue-twister

<purserj> umm aren't they covered by doctor patient confidentiality?

<siccness> :| shit good point.

<siccness> I love this street name tho, "Moonya Rd" lol

<quail-laptop> afternoon all

<siccness> Afternoon.

<quail-laptop> yo sic word up

<quail-laptop> lol

<siccness> g-hizzle my fizzle shizzle dizzle word up homie g-izzle

<siccness> ...whatever the hell that means.

<quail-laptop> exactly

<siccness> I'm not sure who to blame for bringing that language to existance.

<purserj> ah siccness you speak fluent snoop dogg

<siccness> That snoop dogg guy looks a good one to point the finger at

<quail-laptop> hehe

<quail-laptop> everyone download there copy of edgy last night

<siccness> Sweet,only 15 or so names left to do, purserj :)

<quail-laptop> i gave node mirror a thrashing

<purserj> ain't data entry grand

<siccness> No.

<siccness> It's painful to teh point where a career in it would last longer than my life.

<siccness> "too many rabbits in china"

<siccness> Hahaha, love that advert.

<quail-laptop> w00t

<quail-laptop> Typing, Fastest. Mrs. Barbara Blackburn of Salem, Oregon can maintain 150 wpm for 50 min (37,500 key strokes) and attains a speed of 170 wpm using the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard (DSK) system. Her top speed was recorded at 212 wpm. Source: Norris McWhirter, ed. (1985), THE GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS, 23rd US edition, New York: Sterling Publishing Co., Inc.

<quail-laptop> now that fast

<siccness> Not bad

<siccness> Mines around 115wpm

<siccness> but i cant maintain it for longer than about 30seconds

<quail-laptop> what you average you can maintain

<siccness> Dunno, gimme a test

<siccness> and ill do tonight

<quail-laptop> i am luck to do 10 words per minute lol

<siccness> LOL

<purserj> sorry forgot the </win 16

<quail-laptop> nah i not that bad but i can't type properly

<siccness> I'd be better if i knew how to spell.

<quail-laptop> hehe

<quail-laptop> who needs to know how to spell if you are a coder

<quail-laptop> lol

<siccness> lol

<siccness> I'll tell you what im very quick with, alt+tabbing between the same two windows.

<siccness> Is tehre a guiness record for that

<quail-laptop> lol

<quail-laptop> i am fast with the ctrl + alt + <- or -> keys

<siccness> Ok, done my work. Smoko break

<quail-laptop> smoking bad for you, so i might join you

<siccness> lol

<quail-laptop> hehe

<siccness> boy mum said it'd take me atleast all weekend to do

<siccness> how wrong she was

<siccness> 3hrs exactly

<quail-laptop> to do what

<siccness> to enter 500 names/addresses

<quail-laptop> ok

<siccness> sorted by who has purchased the most prescriptions in 12 months

<siccness> 231 prescriptions :|

<quail-laptop> huh? wtf

<siccness> 10 months actually :|

<purserj> siccness: I know I'm going to sound like a nag, but patient doctor thing again

<siccness> ahh shit, forgot again :|

<quail-laptop> siccness: are you a doctor

<siccness> yes

<quail-laptop> what was the most prescribed drug?

<siccness> doesnt say

<siccness> lol

<adhoc> siccness: just wants to prescribe himself 'good stuff'

<siccness> lol

<quail-laptop> morphine

<siccness> morphine cant be prescribed

<quail-laptop> oh well you steal it

<siccness> be easier to buy H than steal morp

<quail-laptop> or when you administering you go oops i missed his vain and got mine

<siccness> lol

<quail-laptop> hehe

<siccness> the nurse put oil on his arm, it just slipped ;|

<quail-laptop> :S

<siccness> How'd the exam go mate?

<ThePizzaKing> siccness: Oh, not too bad

<quail-laptop> 4 fire fighters got killed in California fighting a big there

<siccness> ThePizzaKing: What novels?

<ThePizzaKing> The Kite Runner and King Oedipus

<siccness> never heard of em! :)

<ThePizzaKing> heh

<siccness> Does anyone know what "Mr""Mrs""Ms" are called?

<ThePizzaKing> we also studied Gattaca and Romulus, My Father

<siccness> Is it 'Title'?

<siccness> Gattaca = boring as hell.

<quail-laptop> yes

<quail-laptop> siccness: yes it title

<siccness> thanks mate

<quail-laptop> i think they refer to mr n mrs etc another way to

<quail-laptop> but title seems to be the common

<Phlosten2> afternoon all

<quail-laptop> hi Phlosten2 how are you mate

<Phlosten2> good, just lunching atm

<Phlosten2> quail-laptop: how are you travelling mr package master?

<quail-laptop> haha i nowhere near a package master

<quail-laptop> but i going ok

<Phlosten2> quail: are you on edgy?

<Phlosten2> ah shit, just remembered something I had to do while on lunch

<ThePizzaKing> ugg, Optus' Server is soooo slow

<Phlosten2> still waiting for my replacement hdd, wanted to drop in an see if they have a new one yet. been 5 days

<purserj> If you're looking for the images, mirror.linux.org.au has edgy iso's I believe

<ThePizzaKing> eh, I'm getting them off planetmirror

<ThePizzaKing> I'm getting better speed off there than I did from Optus, and Optus is me ISP

<quail-laptop> Phlosten2 yep i sure am

<praetorian> hm

<praetorian> are the ubuntu dvd iso's hosted anywhere else besides cdimages.ubuntu.com?

<quail-laptop> node i think have them

<praetorian> node is only for node

<quail-laptop> yeah

<praetorian> ubuntu-releases.optus.net i get 5MB/s off here at uni ..

<praetorian> which is nice

<quail-laptop> hehe that nice, beats my 160Kb/s

<Phlosten2> better go, cya later all

*** bimberi_ is now known as bimberi

* Fujitsu curses all those Ubuntu-loving Aussies...

<Fujitsu> au.a.u.c seems to have vanished.

<hantu> ouch

<hantu> server down?

<bimberi> it's pinging

<siccness> Nothing better than running out of petrol.

<siccness> The joys of life.

* bimberi hugs his bike

* siccness steals bimberi's bike to get a jerry-can

<bimberi> Use the 750ml water bidon. Just make sure you rinse it

<siccness> lol

<bimberi> <-- flat battery on Saturday after alternator crapped out - supermarket car park - wife, kids, shopping, freezer food

<siccness> lol

<bimberi> NRMA within 20 minutes, jump start, tailed us home, arranged replacement in our driveway that afternoon, all good (if a little poorer)

<siccness> ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso || 840KB/sec :\

<siccness> Heh

<bimberi> 840KB - that's great!

<siccness> Nah, too slow.

<bimberi> heh

<Hit3k> didnt you get it yesterday?

<siccness> that was rc

<siccness> i gotta find my linux iso folder

<siccness> will have about 80 ddistros me thinks

<Hit3k> I just call mine Distros

<Hit3k> and keep it in my /home directory

<Hit3k> it'd be easier to download the ISO and update from that wouldnt it...

<siccness> i know why i cant find it, i gotta mount the drive :|

<siccness> Hit3k: i download for the sake of it

<Hit3k> siccness, dont we all

<siccness> i wont actually ever use this edgy

<Hit3k> lol

<Fujitsu> bimberi: It came back up 5 minutes after I mentioned it.

<bimberi> Fujitsu: nice work ;p

* Fujitsu gets nervous. Very nervous.

<Fujitsu> :S

<bimberi> ?

<Fujitsu> SIlly job inteview... :S

<bimberi> ah

<Hit3k> for?

<Fujitsu> A job :P

<siccness> Which job?

<Fujitsu> A Linux Support Techician job.

<Fujitsu> In Ringwood.

<siccness> Bahaha

<Fujitsu> Wha?

<siccness> What place in Ringwood?

<Fujitsu> Stuff That Works.

<ThePizzaKing> yay, my download just finished

<siccness> Ahh I know where that is, Fujitsu

<Fujitsu> siccness: As do I :P

<Hit3k> I dont

<Hit3k> I should go look tomorrow

<siccness> Near the Ringwood market, Hit3k

<elkbuntu> Fujitsu, you're going to accumulate some stalkers now :Þ

<Fujitsu> elkbuntu: Looks like it.

<Hit3k> Do you support the public or just the company

<siccness> Looks like I'll have to apply for the job, I'm sure to get it over you Fujitsu. You're just not smart enough mate

<siccness> :D

<Hit3k> BURN

<siccness> lol

<elkbuntu> that's not very nice, Hit3k

<Fujitsu> Hit3k: They are a support company type thing.

* Fujitsu grabs a large fish and slaps siccness about with it.

<Hit3k> So.. If i went and acted like a complete dumbass?

<siccness> elkbuntu: Everyone here knows Fujitsu has a high level of intelligence, and that all of us here wish him luck on it.

<Hit3k> elkbuntu, how was i not nice siccness was the one that said he isnt smart enough

<siccness> Yeah but I was clearly joking :)

<Fujitsu> siccness: Of course :)

<Fujitsu> (thanks)

<hantu> hrm

<hantu> where's karl ;o

<elkbuntu> siccness, the comment was directed to Hit3k

<hantu> loved his message in the ml. :D

<siccness> Yeah, I still responded though.

<siccness> :)

<hantu> oh by the way, all the best in ze interview, Fujitsu

<hantu> wind.. strong wind.. scary :(

<Fujitsu> Thanks hantu.

<hantu> i tend to suck at interviews

<hantu> ;P

<siccness> I've never been on one, so I don't care.

<siccness> People love me too much and ask me to join their company

<siccness> thats how easy it is for me

<Fujitsu> I've never been to an interview either, so...

<Fujitsu> :S

<hantu> well

<siccness> First job: "Can you cook?" "Yes" *Congrats!*.

<hantu> im pretty nervous around strangers.

<siccness> Second job: "Heard you like cars?" "Yeah mate" *Congrats*

<siccness> Third job: "Want some money?" "Yeah mate" *Congrats*

<hantu> first job: "come sunday, 5pm."

<hantu> :o

<bimberi> First job: "That's a nice tie" *Congrats*

<hantu> heh.

<siccness> Ok, so has anyone here actually been to an actual interview?

<hantu> second interview: <insert lots of internet marketing talk and showcasing stuffs ive done>

<bimberi> one or two, on both sides

<hantu> then they gave me a paid assignment :o but i didn't do it.

<hantu> heh

<siccness> lol

<purserj> umm who was the first nerd in space? http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/42160697/article.pl

<Fujitsu> Shutz wasn't...

<hantu> lawl

<siccness> Shuttleworth

<Fujitsu> Oh, first nerd...

<Fujitsu> `Shutzy' was, thanks siccness.

<siccness> Haha

<siccness> I'm sorry, but Shuttleworth isn't really a good name.

<siccness> It needs to be "Shutz"

<siccness> or something like that

<Fujitsu> Hahahah: 4 eyes good, 2 eyes bad.

<bimberi> yes, Shutzy seems more Aussie to me

<bimberi> Shutzy ... Maaaaaaate

<Hit3k> A scanner Darkly is a great movie

<siccness> "How are ya shutzy, care for a vb and snag maaaatee?"

<hantu> you just add 'z' to any names you find

<hantu> it'll sound good to sicc.

<siccness> lol

<bimberi> :)

<siccness> not yours, hantu

<Hit3k> Shuttleworthz

<siccness> Your nickname isn't really workable.

<hantu> idiotaz, innit

<hantu> ;)

<siccness> Of course.

<elkbuntu> lol

<bimberi> sicczy ... maaaaate

<siccness> lol

<hantu> sizzle.

* hantu calls his asian gang.

<hantu> :P

<Hit3k> azn

<siccness> nah, the cc's already out-land the 'z' - bimberi.

<hantu> sic|c!

<hantu> :P

<siccness> this nickname does suck tho, i should change it.

<hantu> elkz elkz. muahaha </evil>

<elkbuntu> lol

<hantu> /nick nckdatdsntsuq

<bimberi> ha

<siccness> Why do people have no life? Why would you start a fire, knowingly it could kill a fireman?

* siccness shakes his head in disgust.

<elkbuntu> siccness, where now?

<siccness> That country your going to.

<siccness> Enjoy your stay.

<Fujitsu> The same reason you'd volunteer time to Ubuntu, probably? Because we're absolute loonies :P

<hantu> what country?

<siccness> Hah, I don't volunteer any time to Ubuntu :P

<Fujitsu> hantu: The US, I presume.

<hantu> ou

<Fujitsu> siccness: `You' being generic :P

<siccness> Much better :)

<elkbuntu> lol

<hantu> imma go back to my books

<hantu> enjoy guys..

<hantu> and ladies ;)

<Fujitsu> Have fun, hantu.

<siccness> Books? What a nerd.

<hantu> Fujitsu: never! :)

<siccness> Send him to space.

<Fujitsu> siccness: LOL.

<hantu> please do!

<hantu> *poof*

<siccness> :P

<siccness> whats the linux command to list directory tree

<siccness> i thought it was 'tree' but clearly im wrong

<bimberi> find -type d

<siccness> thanks

<bimberi> np

<bimberi> bbl, all the best Fujitsu

<elkbuntu> Fujitsu, when's the interview?

<Fujitsu> I'm about to leave :S

<siccness> Big man Fujitsu, about to get a job!

<ThePizzaKing> Good luck

<Fujitsu> Maybe about to get a job, you mean?

<Fujitsu> Thanks ThePizzaKing.

<siccness> No, about to get a job.

<elkbuntu> good luck Fujitsu!

<siccness> Positivity!

<Fujitsu> Thanks elkbuntu.

* Fujitsu runs off now... Hopefully be back later.

<siccness> $5 says he gets the jobs, odds are. $1.50 for a win, $1.80 for a loss.

<siccness> Place your bets people!

<Hit3k> I bet $10 I get down there before he does and get solaris support

<siccness> lol

<Hit3k> only not

<Hit3k> cause its friday and cold outside :(

<siccness> cold? tis only 15

<Hit3k> oh

<Hit3k> Well

<Hit3k> must be my room

<siccness> Must be :)

<elkbuntu> still raining in melb?

<siccness> Nope

<elkbuntu> did it last long?

<siccness> She's a maneater something something a man eater something something

<Hit3k> I wish

<siccness> Not really, elkbuntu

<Hit3k> hahaha

<elkbuntu> well that's a shame

<Hit3k> according to this weather forecast its sunny

* Hit3k looks outside

<siccness> It is kinda sunny, Hit3k

<Hit3k> holy shit it is

<Hit3k> I dont look outside enough

<siccness> shes a maneater, make you sweat more. sweet, 4 more lines of the lyrics!

<siccness> This song sucks

<Hit3k> holy crap wind speed is 40Km/h

<Hit3k> why you listening to it then

<siccness> no its not

<siccness> it's 40km/h

<siccness> it's 11.8 m/s :)

<Hit3k> I hAvE cApItAlIZaTiOn IsSuEs

<siccness> with pressure at 1010hPa

<siccness> Busta Rhymes..interesting name

<ThePizzaKing> wooo, hopefully now off to install edgy :D

<Hit3k> why is dapper lts anyway

<siccness> because shutz said so

<siccness> if you wanna argue with a bloke that spends $20m on a trip, go nuts.

<hantu> wow

<hantu> pcbsd's installer is pretty be-yo-tee-ful!

<hantu> simplicity ftw.

<siccness> WOW, FC6 art looks mad.

<hantu> crap, sleepy :(

*** Hit3k_ is now known as Hit3k

<AlexC> when it says ./configure what does it mean>

<AlexC> ?

<Tatey> when you see a ./ it signify's that you're going to run a script. In this instnace, you're attempting to run the script "configure"

<Tatey> I take it you're trying to install a program from source?

<Tatey> the configure script will attempt to guess your system variables, before you actually compile the application

<AlexC> just a second

<AlexC> i'm trying something

<AlexC> http://www.daimonin.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=Source%20Client%20Install

<AlexC> thats what i'm trying to do

<Hit3k> usually with the ./configure it checks your system to see if your system is capable of building the application you can also set application options for when you're compiling for example --with-curl is a php ./configure option if you want to compile cURL with php

<dam_ned> hi ;)

<rowanjl> Yeah, got here first ;)

<dam_ned> seems quiet here, what time is it in .au?

<purserj> 5:30pm

<adhoc> 1658

<rowanjl> Here it's 5pm

<adhoc> purserj: don't get ahead of yourself ...

<dam_ned> oh :)

<rowanjl> Anyway, anyone here from SA?

<adhoc> boom tish!

* adhoc pokes row

<dam_ned> I got to continue working: 9:30 am ;)

<adhoc> damn this lag

<rowanjl> I'm looking from someone to steal a CD or DVD off of

<rowanjl> Because Optus broadband sucks

<AlexC> i got to make , make install and it doesn't work

<rowanjl> #ubuntu is too busy... the text scrolls by so fast I can't even follow it

<adhoc> rowanjl: where you at?

<rowanjl> Mt Barker

<adhoc> rowanjl: you after egdy?

<rowanjl> Yeah, I'm using Dapper

* rowanjl is getting rained on

<adhoc> rowanjl: maybe you could talk to kamping_kaiser.. ?

<frederick85> Anyone using AIGLX and edgy

<rowanjl> adhoc: he's from around my area?

<adhoc> little hampton

<rowanjl> sweet, I'll stick around to see if he comes on

<frederick85> rowanjl: just wondering , but why are you so keen to get it

<rowanjl> so I can build some packages for it :)

<rowanjl> and, naturaly because its new

<frederick85> what do u mean

<frederick85> yeh I understand the feeling

<rowanjl> Well, I've got some software which needs releasing, onto universe

<dam_ned> frederick85: I had AIGLX running on edgy, but it was slow

<frederick85> rowanjl: are you a developer

<rowanjl> not my software though, I'm just the one charged with making Ubuntu packages

<dam_ned> for some reason the DRI acceleration doesn't work :(

<rowanjl> yeah

<frederick85> dam_ned: i have AIGLX and Beryl on dapper and i'm upgrading to edgy, will anything be changed around like config files or something

<dam_ned> oh, no idea

<dam_ned> I never got it working on dapper

<dam_ned> did you read the aiglx docs?

<rowanjl> Oh! Thats right, I was going to try Beryl...

<frederick85> dam_ned: it works really good for me on dapper

<frederick85> I have a low end video card too

<dam_ned> check the different setup instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX

<adhoc> rowanjl: prolly tomorrow, he be out this eve

<dam_ned> edgy is waaaay easier, so I guess it must work ;)

<rowanjl> adhoc: cool, thanks :)

<frederick85> dam_ned: whats the best difference between dapper and edgy

<dam_ned> in terms of?

<frederick85> dam_ned: cool things

<rowanjl> 6 months of progress?

<dam_ned> 4 months :)

<rowanjl> yeah yeah :P

<dam_ned> not that much: upgraded gnome, evolution

<dam_ned> check the release notes ;)

<rowanjl> Does it have Firefox 2?

<dam_ned> rowanjl: yep

<rowanjl> thats good to hear

<dam_ned> I like it's crash recovery !

<frederick85> gaim 2 also

<rowanjl> I was dissapointed this year that David didn't make his usual Gnome preview :(

<frederick85> Ubuntu: is definitely best linux distro out there atm

<frederick85> whoops theres noone called ubuntu here

<dam_ned> frederick85: yes, but I do not see that much difference with the previous gaim version

<dam_ned> it must be hard not to be able to upgrade

<frederick85> dam_ned: does edgy have a newer version of GCC or anyhting

<dam_ned> reminds me of the modem days

<dam_ned> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu5)

* rowanjl grabs his old Redhat 5.2 disk

<rowanjl> Who wants to break it for me? :)

<dam_ned> :p

* frederick85 gives rowanjl mandriva too

<rowanjl> I've been using Linux since most of you started at high school :P

<rowanjl> Mandripper

<frederick85> i'm at uni now

<frederick85> studying computer science

<frederick85> it's a good course

<siccness> Exciting stuff.

<Hit3k> ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

<rowanjl> When I first installed Linux I was 9.

<frederick85> Linux is perfect operating system for study

<siccness> Is this a competition to see who used Linux first?

<siccness> If so, I win.

<rowanjl> hehe

<rowanjl> siccness: tell us

<frederick85> rowanjl what did you use slackware?

<rowanjl> frederick85: yeah!

<siccness> Me and Linus go back

<rowanjl> uncompress you damned tars!

<siccness> You can read our story on wiki!

<frederick85> siccness: did you do any early devel on gcc

<siccness> I also the one that told Shuttleworth to spend $20m on his childhood dream. Show me "props"

<rowanjl> O_o

<adhoc> tell him he's dreamen

<siccness> I also told RMS to get a haircut, although he didnt listen.

<Hit3k> please excuse my doped uped friend here

<Hit3k> he doesnt know WHAT hes talking about

<Hit3k> he uses gentoo for crying out loud

<frederick85> siccness: he looks like a stupid hippy

<rowanjl> hah

<adhoc> Hit3k: speaks volumes to me

<adhoc> frederick85: somethings don't change ;) was then ...

<siccness> My old nickname was "Electron"

<siccness> You might remember me from hacking NASA back in the 80s

<siccness> Yup, that's right. I'm hardcore.

<Hit3k> I actually coded windows 3.1 but gates stole it off me

<Hit3k> it was virus free at the time i wrote it as well

<rowanjl> :P

<adhoc> is this the fiction channel?

<frederick85> is anyone here a developer

<siccness> Yeah, I develop strategies to remove idiots from this channel.

<Hit3k> im a uhm.. bullshit developer

<rowanjl> frederick85: there are lots of different "developers", what do you mean?

<adhoc> frederick85: been a C/C++/Java/PHP/assembly coder over the years

<siccness> Time well spent, adhoc :)

<Hit3k> by bullshit i mean web

<siccness> Found any use for Java yet?

<adhoc> no

<siccness> Heh

<Hit3k> I dont think anyone has

<frederick85> adhoc: what kind of projects did you make

<Hit3k> except runescape

<siccness> I found a great use for java.

<adhoc> frederick85: i ported lots of small projects to linux in the early 90's

<frederick85> Professional Programmers suggest java

<adhoc> frederick85: Professional Programmers get paid lots to suggest stuff that they can charge a fortune to seell you their services

<siccness> Someone had to do it, adhoc. That we are thankful for.

<DarkMageZ> the only thing java is any good for is applets on websites

<siccness> But all jokes aside, the best thing I ever made was a Trainer for Red Alert

<frederick85> I like Java, realistically it is not a very expensive language to code, something like c Projects can be very painful

<adhoc> and teaching people how horrible object orientedness can be

<Hit3k> holy crap when did DarkMageZ get here

<Phlosten> helllooooo everyone

<DarkMageZ> Hit3k, about 1:30

<siccness> DarkMageZ: Find me a useful java applet on the web

<Hit3k> oh

<adhoc> C is for the hardcore

<Hit3k> holy crap

<adhoc> assembler is for the truely hardcore

<Hit3k> assembly is for people with no life

<Hit3k> TYVM

<frederick85> Well People using the word hardcore are usually very behind mentally

<adhoc> assembler is fun

<rowanjl> adhoc: heh, I'm pretty sure the people who make bad OOP are the same as those who make bad procedura :)

<adhoc> lighten up guys ;)

<adhoc> frederick85: you take that back.

<DarkMageZ> siccness, those irc clients :P

<siccness> Where did you bloks come from anyway?

<siccness> *blokes

<frederick85> adhoc: sorry

<Hit3k> Well

<Hit3k> when a mommy and daddy love each other very much

* frederick85 is harddercore

<siccness> Hilarious, Hit3k. Take your 10yr old humour to America.

<Hit3k> I WILL

<siccness> :D

<rowanjl> Hit3k: was that somewhere around 1920 for you? :P

<Phlosten> 1652

<Hit3k> 1990 actually

<siccness> add another 80 years and you've just about got it, rowanjl

<DarkMageZ> assembler is for the crazy people... handling pointers directly... wow... c & c++ ftw

<frederick85> This is like the ubuntu convict chatroom

<rowanjl> hehe

<frederick85> u bloody convicts

<elkbuntu> wtf?

<Hit3k> DISCRIMINATION

<Hit3k> Im from the true convict state

<Hit3k> The ACT is like a zit on the face of NSW

<rowanjl> Lies! We where just to good for standard London street scum like you!

<frederick85> C++ is nice

* siccness shakes his head

<adhoc> c++ is carp

<frederick85> having functions inside of structs

<Hit3k> DarkMageZ, upgraded to edgy?

<rowanjl> adhoc: carp are fish

<adhoc> frederick85: learn how to use function pointers

<DarkMageZ> Hit3k, i've been running edgy for a month

* Hit3k is a 1337 C# coder

<frederick85> adhoc: i know how to use pointers..

<siccness> You're not even good, Hit3k.

* rowanjl codes in Ferite

<adhoc> rowanjl: i am allowed to make intention typos

<siccness> In fact, it's almost fair to say you're the worst coder in this state, Hit3k. :D

<rowanjl> XD

<Hit3k> Its true :(

<rowanjl> siccness: any worse and you'd send him to NZ?

* MatthewV thinks we have very nice ppl in this channel ;P

<siccness> Hell even if elkbuntu was another 200m south into victoria, she'd even give you a run for your money.

<frederick85> adhoc: i'll give you a pointer, don't point out the benefits of pointers too much

<adhoc> onces you've mastered triple indirection to function pointers

<Hit3k> I want to stab you frederick85

<siccness> LOL

<Hit3k> I dont know why I just want to

<adhoc> you can come talk to me about pointers

* elkbuntu blinks

<siccness> This channel has turned into EFNet

<adhoc> hi elkbuntu k

<siccness> 'uh-oh'

<hantu> pfft

<hantu> vmware-toolbox cant be run :\

<Hit3k> Efnet is the magic word for today!!!!!!!

<elkbuntu> Please be aware this channel is governed by the CoC. This means you, Hit3k and frederick85

<elkbuntu> see the link in the /topic output for more information. thankyou

<rowanjl> You've just entered the draw to win a Readers Digest Value Pack (If you purchase these 200k gold plated books)

<frederick85> adhoc: pointers are like a chainsaw compared to a handsaw, they can rip through wood quicker but can injure you alot more

<adhoc> frederick85: all too true

<rowanjl> woo... 4 second lag

<siccness> she's a maneater

<frederick85> adhoc: my first experience with dynamic memory allocation was very painful, I was trying to get help on ##c for ages then I found out I was accessing variables outside of their memory range

<siccness> adhoc: You'll have to teach me your knowledge of C one day mate

<frederick85> adhoc: you learn from the pain of programming

<siccness> and I'll share my knowledge on how to drink without passing out.

<frederick85> siccness: i reccoment abook called pointers in C

<siccness> ahh see I don't.

<frederick85> siccness: it's a beauty

<rowanjl> siccness, we can already guess how you do that, your shirt is beer stained :P

<Hit3k> <siccness> and I'll share my knowledge on how to drink without passing out.

<siccness> I'm not one to read books :)

<Hit3k> you're an irish dock worker?

<adhoc> frederick85: i have done plenty of interesting C coding involving pointers, arrays of pointers to pointers to structs with pointer to functions ... its called object oriented coding/juggling with chainsaws and its FUN!

<frederick85> siccness: wtf do you think you are going to learn then

<siccness> Not much really.

<Hit3k> frederick85, I learnt jack crap from books

* adhoc goes home///

<siccness> Drive safely mate.

<frederick85> adhoc: i'v done pointers to structs containing pointers to structs

<hantu> wind's annoying ;(

<Hit3k> hantu, i agree especially when its going fast right

<frederick85> adhoc: juggling 20 global variables is a pain in the ass

<siccness> I think he's gone man.

<siccness> but that's just guessing from * adhoc goes home///

<Hit3k> naw adhoc is obviously holding out on us hes laughing right now

<siccness> Right.

<frederick85> adhoc: now i'v had it with C and going to increment my knowledge to ++C

<siccness> Clearly I'm invisible.

* frederick85 sets the opacity on siccness to 50%

<Hit3k> What who said that? siccness where the hell did you go?

<siccness> Sounds like a 50yr old father joke, Hit3k. and I like it :D

<frederick85> 1 hour and 15 minutes left on my stupid upgrade

<siccness> Yes but your the one who chose to upgrade :)

*** han2 is now known as hantu

<Hit3k> i vote you switch to slackware

<Hit3k> save time and energy

<rowanjl> compiling things is fun!

<frederick85> can you run aiglx easily on slackware

<siccness> something just aint right with portage

<rowanjl> untill you have to compile everything

<Hit3k> you dont have to compile everything with slackware

<frederick85> rowanjl: feel free to compile my latest project http://freds-webs.net/project.tar

<rowanjl> Hit3k: I wasn't thinking of slackware

<Hit3k> oh

<rowanjl> freds webs?

<siccness> my tafe sucks, has the worst hardware ever

<frederick85> my website

<rowanjl> :X

<frederick85> siccness: what course you doing

<Hit3k> swinburne?

<siccness> Swinburne TAFE - IT Network Engineering

<rowanjl> My latest project doesn't need compiling

<Hit3k> oh god not chinese food :(

<frederick85> siccness: sounds boring, you should do software engineering

<siccness> Yeah, because that sounds much more interesting.

<rowanjl> Anyone else here remember the Gnome previews by David?

<frederick85> siccness: because it is more interesting and pays a hell of a lot more

<siccness> How can you say that? It's entirely subjective.

<Hit3k> I dont think i'll get into an IT career it doesnt really appeal to me anymore

<frederick85> siccness: theres not many jobs in IT but theres plenty in software

<frederick85> siccness: you gotta be familiar with .NET though if u wanna make some dough

<rowanjl> screw .net

<rowanjl> Give me mono

<frederick85> siccness: you can listen to the truth or just sit and finish your IT job and get some job troubleshooting boring networks

<Hit3k> i agree rowanjl

<siccness> Well I've been offered a job already

<rowanjl> I do most of my work in a scripting language

<AlexC> i need java , where do i get it?

<frederick85> AlexC: java.sun.com

<rowanjl> from satan, AlexC

<frederick85> can someone tell me how sun makes money out of java?

<siccness> Ok, if you're going to provide an answer to a serious question, than it must also be serious. Understand rowanjl?

<Hit3k> frederick85, Software Engineering would get BORING unlike network troubleshooting

<rowanjl> sure, but in a way, I was serious

<siccness> No, you weren't.

<frederick85> now way, making softwares fun

<frederick85> no way.

<siccness> It's entirely subjective. You like creating software. Others like networking.

<jeffz> networking?! that's good bedtime reading...

<frederick85> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/

<frederick85> Software Engineers do most of the legwork for networking

<frederick85> Network administators just maintain it

<siccness> Yes but you're also the biggest geeks.

<frederick85> with the biggest wallet

<siccness> with the biggest girl

<rowanjl> O_o

<frederick85> correction, biggest breasted girl

<siccness> Although i shouldn't say that.

<siccness> Point is, you may like it, others may not. Whether you earn more money doing it, so be it.

<frederick85> well my girl has a huge belly

<siccness> But if I dont like the job, then i aint gonna force myself through it, just to earn more money

<frederick85> it's called pregnency

<frederick85> you never tried it!

<frederick85> you even said you don't read

<siccness> i dont read books, correct.

<rowanjl> No books at all, not even fiction?

<TheColonial> guten evening everyone

<rowanjl> ja

<TheColonial> :) i just had one of the worst days on record1

<TheColonial> !

<Phlosten> elkbuntu: ping

<TheColonial> so if anyone feels like cracking a corny joke, i would welcome it :)

<rowanjl> There was this bar, and, well, it walked into a bar! HARHARHAR

<TheColonial> hrm... that'll do ;)

<rowanjl> TheColonial: did you mean "Guten Abend" before?

<Phlosten> guy runs into a lephracaun (sp?) while travelling around ireland. he asks the lephracaun if he could spare some change, and the lephracaun replies, 'sorry i cant, this week im a little short'

<TheColonial> rowanjl: not really, it was a deliberate mix of language

<TheColonial> i call it "Germish"

<rowanjl> :D

<TheColonial> Phlosten: lol

<TheColonial> much better

<rowanjl> thats lustig

<Phlosten> i was told that today by some old guy

<TheColonial> ok.. i've got one if you're keen to hear it.

<rowanjl> Phlosten: his name wasn't Peter was it?

<Phlosten> i dunno, probably

<TheColonial> lol

<TheColonial> ok..

<rowanjl> :D

<TheColonial> a bloke walks into a pub.. has a few beers with a mate.. after a few... his mate says to him..

<TheColonial> "when you get home tonight, you should turn the missus over... there's a WHOLE NEW WORLD around there..."

<TheColonial> the guy replies "what?! and risk getting her pregnant!?"

<rowanjl> :X

<frederick85> obscene

<hantu> err o_O

<nrdb> hi

<rowanjl> heh

<TheColonial> yeah, it is pretty obscene. that's from Sam... erm... what's his name... AFL legend... Sam someoneorother

* rowanjl buries hatchet in TheColonial

<Phlosten> i have another good joke, might be a bit long tho

<TheColonial> ok, so i have an interesting issue with playing DVDs, has anyone had any experience with Totem hanging??

<TheColonial> Phlosten: fire away.

* nrdb hmmmm

<Phlosten> a teacher stands up and turns to her class and says, 'right kids, stand up anyone who feels they are a little dumb',..none of the kids move until after a few minutes little johnny stands up,..the teacher turns to johnny and says 'do you feel a little dumb do you?' to which he replies 'no, i just didnt want you to be the only one"

<nrdb> TheColonial: I use Gxine, totem doesn't work well for me

<Hit3k> LOL

<TheColonial> lol... nice :)

<rowanjl> Gxine here too

<MatthewV> hmm.... my f-spot database worked fine.. i reinstalled and f-spot segfaults trying to access it... :@

<TheColonial> kewl. i shall get myself a copy.

* nrdb ha ha ha

<Hit3k> Gxine lags a bit to much for my tastes

<Hit3k> but its for DVDs isnt it

<TheColonial> yes.

<frederick85> lets talk about how ubuntu can benefit australia

<elkbuntu> Phlosten, pong?

<Mac_Switcher> Hi peeps.

<TheColonial> Mac_Switcher: ello

<frederick85> MatthwV: that must be someones crap programming

*** Mac_Switcher is now known as Davo_Dinkum

<TheColonial> dammit, i think totem locked something now gxine has pooped itself :(

<TheColonial> anyone know of another way to kill a process other than kill -9 pid?

<frederick85> top

<MatthewV> frederick85, maybe.. but it just seems strange.. reminds me too much of windows

<frederick85> top gives you a list of processes

<MatthewV> TheColonial, sudo killall proc

<TheColonial> MatthewV: proc = pid?

<frederick85> MatthewV: I get alot of segfaults when I do C programming, the langauge hurts sometimes

<MatthewV> TheColonial, process name

<TheColonial> MatthewV: thanks

<Hit3k> frederick85, dont take this the wrong way but your life revolves around programming doesn it

<MatthewV> frederick85, f-spot is mono

<TheColonial> MatthewV: didn't work.

<TheColonial> Hit3k: nothing wrong with having a life revolving around programming.

<TheColonial> frederick85: i dont mind a bit of C :)

<frederick85> Hit3k, and my future Son, my wifes pregnant, but programming is my favourite hobby

<TheColonial> frederick85: sing it to the mountains mate!

* frederick85 sings the hills are alive with the sound of music

* MatthewV hides under a rock

<Hit3k> yeah programming isnt a bad hobby except when you run out of things or ideas

<Davo_Dinkum> k3b keeps giving me I/O errors when I try to burn a data DVD. How can I fix it?

<TheColonial> Hit3k: not going to happen for me for a while.

* nrdb good on ya

<TheColonial> brb, rebooting..

<rowanjl> With the sound of booze I think you mean

<frederick85> Hit3k : I do programming mostly for My uni Degree.

<Hit3k> Davo_Dinkum, dont use k3b?

<nrdb> frederick85: what ar you doing?

<Davo_Dinkum> what other DVD burning apps are there then?

<Davo_Dinkum> I just need to make a full backup of my home folder.

<frederick85> nrdb: comp sci

<Davo_Dinkum> Hit3K? ^^^

<frederick85> nrdb: i was doing chemistry before that and it was crap

<Hit3k> Davo_Dinkum, what is the exact error

<frederick85> lol Davo_dinkum nice nick

<frederick85> Davo_Dinkum Gnome Toaster

<Davo_Dinkum> My nick is that funny is it?

<nrdb> frederick85: i like programing, its good be paid to do your hobby :)

<Hit3k> hilarious

<frederick85> Davo_Dinkum GnomeBaker sorry

<Davo_Dinkum> Ah good I can open that in a shell

<frederick85> nrdb: yeh when you finish a project you get a feeling of power having done something

<Davo_Dinkum> "command not found" <<<?

<nrdb> frederick85: I like trying to do new tricks, been learning perl lately getting it to print (on paper) was interesting.

<frederick85> nrdb: if you like you can have a look at the last project I did for uni

<frederick85> nrdb: i'll make it open source for u

<nrdb> frederick85: what was it?

<frederick85> a program that locates all global symbols in .c files

<frederick85> you can pass to it commands like -a -d -f -s -m -u

<frederick85> nrdb: http://freds-webs.net/project.tar

<frederick85> nrdb: that's a bugged version though

<frederick85> I need to upload the final still

<nrdb> frederick85: ok I have a web-site to 'www.neil.homelinux.com' its using my home computer on a ADSL modem with DDNS service.

<rowanjl> ^ typical optus connection

<rowanjl> 5 second lag :(

<frederick85> nrdb: you using apache

<frederick85> I can't use apache for some reason because my router has it's own site on port 80

<frederick85> tried port fowarding but didn't work

<rowanjl> how can you use anything then?

<nrdb> frederick85: no, I have a couple of ruby web-sites and I had trouble with getting ruby and apache working together, I am using lighttpd.

<frederick85> nrdb: i havn't tried ruby, I used to use php i still do for some simple tasks.

<rowanjl> I can't stand ruby, its syntax stinks

* rowanjl loves curley braces!

<frederick85> i havn't looked at it

<nrdb> frederick85: So have I, but the router page shouldn't be visable to the outside, it is probably the firewall in the modem causing the trouble.

<frederick85> feel free to look at my crapp website http://freds-webs.net/

<adhoc> rowanjl: you should try J or APL ...

<nrdb> rowanjl: the ruby on rails isn't bad, bit complex to setup.

<frederick85> i was thinking of starting a business but never ended up doing it

<rowanjl> I use Ferite :)

<rowanjl> "apt-get: Need to get 18.5MB of archives."

<rowanjl> Looks like I'll be here for a while

<adhoc> so, lucychili, how about that cup of tea?

* rowanjl wraps adhoc in a closure

<adhoc> pffft

<Davo_Dinkum> "

<Davo_Dinkum> Who's downloaded Ubuntu Edgy?

<frederick85> Davo_Dinkum: i'm downloading edgy soon

<frederick85> Davo_dinkum: 30 mins left

<frederick85> :P

<Davo_Dinkum> I got it this morning

<frederick85> how is it for you

<Davo_Dinkum> Around midnight to 6am

<frederick85> it's better than FC6

<frederick85> ;) ubuntu is awesome

<Davo_Dinkum> Dunno yet, I can't burn this damn DVD!

<frederick85> did you install gnomebaker

<nrdb> when I was using FC3 the updates kept breaking things. So I stoped using FC.

<frederick85> yes the yum packaging system is scary

<frederick85> it can't handle a dist upgrade

<Davo_Dinkum> frederick85: Hell no. I might go over my DL limit and be capped.

<rowanjl> everyone should just use apt

<nrdb> that was the main thing that put me off, having to completely reinstall every 6 mths or so.

<Davo_Dinkum> dont reinstall then

<frederick85> Debians Base is very good for an operating system, and ubuntu's eye candy is nice.

<Davo_Dinkum> do an apt upgrade

<frederick85> Good combo

<rowanjl> Davo_Dinkum: he's talking about FC

<adhoc> eye candy == memory bloat

<Davo_Dinkum> Ah ok

<Davo_Dinkum> yeah FC sucks big time

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: that was when I was using FC3 so I installed Debian when FC4 came out.

<Davo_Dinkum> adhoc: use Xubuntu

<rowanjl> !memory bloat == blured vision

* adhoc runs FLWM

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: I prefer Gnome

<Davo_Dinkum> Xfce is very similar

<adhoc> xfce is to phat

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm using FC4 at right now, and it still sucks.

<rowanjl> hah

<frederick85> what's xfce like?

<Davo_Dinkum> *FC5 sorry

<Hit3k> its good

<Hit3k> I prefer fluxbox though

<Davo_Dinkum> It's like Gnome without a trash can

<adhoc> Davo_Dinkum: actually i'm pretty happy with the usability of gnome on dapper right now... we'll see what edgy is like

<Davo_Dinkum> adhoc: My concern is speed, so...

<adhoc> Davo_Dinkum: i have memory and cpu to burn right now so i don't care,

<frederick85> i like gnome, it's simple and seems to work good

<adhoc> i usually have 40+ text terminals oopen anyways

<frederick85> Xfce looks like a dodgy macintosh!

<Davo_Dinkum> Not here. 256mb and 1.8ghz P4M

<adhoc> frederick85: yup, except the icon/file manager thingy

<Davo_Dinkum> LOL macintosh. I didn't think of it like that

<adhoc> Davo_Dinkum: yeah, 4GB in the desktop and 1GB in the lappies is good ;)

<Davo_Dinkum> 1gb is the max on this notebook

<nrdb> I am using Gnome on a 800Mhz PIII when playing DVDs most of the CPU power is used, I was wondering if I switched to Xfce would less CPU power be used when playing DVDs?

<adhoc> yes but file operations on the mac just works

<frederick85> macintosh are like freebsd

<Davo_Dinkum> How so?

<Hit3k> Xfce is actually older than Gnome or KDE i forget

<adhoc> nrdb: no, more of it would go to the DVD player

<Hit3k> anyway gotta go out

<Hit3k> frederick85, apple OS X is based off BSD

<Davo_Dinkum> Don't they call it darwin?

<adhoc> Hit3k: yes but macos 7,8,9 isn't

<Hit3k> adhoc, i know that

<Hit3k> gone

<frederick85> yeh it's called darwin

<Davo_Dinkum> mac os classic totally blows

<frederick85> It uses GCC too

<rowanjl> :D

<Davo_Dinkum> Can I use cdrecord to backup my home folder onto DVD?

<adhoc> darwin does not use the freebsd kernel, just some of the libraries and apps

<frederick85> i used to have a macintosh colour classic

<adhoc> mac os classic rocks!

<Davo_Dinkum> Pffft no way adhoc.

<adhoc> frederick85: they run netbsd just fine =)

<frederick85> Anyone played that game glider?

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: I think it can, you will have to be carefull with the options though.

<Davo_Dinkum> Damn k3b errors

<adhoc> damn kde errors

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: what are you running?

<rowanjl> damn kde'

<Davo_Dinkum> nrdb: FC5, like I said before.

<JonathanFerguson> Apple sporked from Darwin a few Months ago, becouse Darwin were unhappy with Apple for numerous reasons.

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: sorry forgot.

<Davo_Dinkum> No hassle

<frederick85> Ipod saved apples from going rotten

<adhoc> JonathanFerguson: you mean forked? as in made a new project?

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: if your running FC5, how come your here?

<Davo_Dinkum> Because I get a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart when I come to this channel.

<frederick85> cause it's a dinkum channel

<frederick85> true blue

<JonathanFerguson> Yes, forked.

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: I like it here too :) when I have questions I generally get nice answers.

<Davo_Dinkum> I was running Ubuntu Dapper before FC5, but my thinkpad kept freezing up with dapper, so I had to put another dsitro on.

<Davo_Dinkum> nrdb: Not like in #gnu

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: oh darn

<Davo_Dinkum> Have you talked to ams in there? S/he's harsh.

<nrdb> Davo_Dinkum: never tried #gnu

<Davo_Dinkum> Talk with sophistication in there or ams'll pick on you.

<Davo_Dinkum> n0t lik d15

* nrdb has to go and handle kid, bye

<quail-laptop> w00t i found a good text translation program

<quail-laptop> if people are interested it is gnome-translate

<Davo_Dinkum> People please! Help me burn my home folder to a DVD!

<rowanjl> You have Gnome?

<Davo_Dinkum> Nope.

<rowanjl> Because it'd make your life a lot simpler right now

<rowanjl> pitty

<Davo_Dinkum> Eh I'll do it later.

<Davo_Dinkum> Like when my off-peak limit kicks in.

<rowanjl> what is your limit?

<Davo_Dinkum> Which has about 10gb left on it.

<frederick85> davo_dinkum: try a cd rom instead

<Davo_Dinkum> peak: 7gb offpeak: 14gb

<Davo_Dinkum> A CD-ROM? How will that help me?

<frederick85> Maybe DVD doesn't work for some reason

<Davo_Dinkum> Hmm maybe.

* Davo_Dinkum investigates.

<frederick85> Davo_dinkum can't really give you support, maybe you should try #fedora

<Davo_Dinkum> Now I have to pissfart around blanking CD-RW's.

<frederick85> pissfart

<frederick85> lol

<Davo_Dinkum> Very upper-class vocabulary.

<Davo_Dinkum> Warning: Davo_Dinkum's pissfarting may contain nudity.

<frederick85> it's amazing how these words come into our vocabulary

<frederick85> Does pissfart mean you fart urine?

<Davo_Dinkum> Hell no.

<Davo_Dinkum> answers.com/pissfart

<Davo_Dinkum> It should be there^^^

<Davo_Dinkum> I find it interesting how the meaning of a word can change over time.

* Davo_Dinkum pissfarts on K3B.

<frederick85> 7 mins left on my edgy download

<frederick85> :-*:)

<Davo_Dinkum> Grrrrr! Stupid crappy crappy crap crap

* frederick85 fartpisses

<Davo_Dinkum> Sure, it can erase my CD ok, but when it comes to burning, ooooooh no!

<frederick85> Davo_Dinkum that's why i'm not using fc5

<frederick85> 40 seconds left on my edgy dl

<Davo_Dinkum> I'd be using it right now if I could backup my home folder.

<Davo_Dinkum> Are you using torrents?

<frederick85> i'm doing an upgrade from within ubuntu

<Davo_Dinkum> Ah ok.

<Davo_Dinkum> You need to restart yes?

<frederick85> yeh

<frederick85> after it installs all the packages

<Davo_Dinkum> The kernel always needs a reboot.

<Davo_Dinkum> Thinks he's so big.

<frederick85> I'v got an e book understanding the linux kernel by oreily

<frederick85> do you want it

<Davo_Dinkum> What license is it under?

<frederick85> how do i figure that out

<frederick85> i think it's one I downloaded from demonoid.com

<quail-laptop> lmao i was just asked if i can get into a MS pc

* quail-laptop said what do you think

<Davo_Dinkum> Wow sounds legal frederick85

<quail-laptop> well it time for a beer and futurama

<frederick85> Davo_Dinkum: you can download free c++ books from mindview.net

<frederick85> and java too

<frederick85> they are some of the best books on the market too

<Davo_Dinkum> quail: Well, if the case has enough room to hold a human, then yeah, you *could* get *into* a MS pc

<Davo_Dinkum> Does nostarch press publish stuff under the GNU FDL?

<quail-laptop> Davo_Dinkum: that what i was referring to when i answered

<Davo_Dinkum> Java blows. Non-free platform.

<siccness> Java sucks, yes

<Davo_Dinkum> Ah ok.

<frederick85> siccness: why does java suck?

<siccness> slow

<Davo_Dinkum> Non-free.

<frederick85> siccness: but it's compatible across many architechtures,

<siccness> so?

<siccness> it's slow

<frederick85> siccness: if computers could translate java bytecode natively they'd be very fast

<siccness> but they cant

<siccness> and thats why java sucks

* Davo_Dinkum uses elinks to browse mindview.net

<frederick85> siccness: you can compile java into binary you know, and therefore it is fast and like any other language such as C++

<siccness> elinks is pretty good :)

<Davo_Dinkum> Is it better than lynx?

<siccness> i find it easier to use

<siccness> it being elinks

<Davo_Dinkum> Even on 56k pages load fast.

<siccness> no images baby :)

<siccness> it's not so good when you look up the adult related stuff tho man :P

<Davo_Dinkum> That's where ASCII comes in.

<siccness> yeah, google: ascii babes ;)

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm fine thanks.

<frederick85> it means he's married

<siccness> actually it doesnt

<frederick85> bugger

<Davo_Dinkum> How do you know what I am huh? :P

<frederick85> Davo_Dinkum I can email that book to you I think, it's 2.77 mb

<Davo_Dinkum> Please do.

<frederick85> whats your address

<Davo_Dinkum> Check PM>>>

<rowanjl> A member of the Anti Nudist ASSociation of AUstralia??

<Davo_Dinkum> WTF?

<Davo_Dinkum> frederick85: PM!

* Davo_Dinkum breakdances

* Davo_Dinkum breaks his dance

<frederick85> i'll email to you later

<frederick85> i'm just installing edgy now

<frederick85> gonna close everything so it doesn't mess up

<Davo_Dinkum> Oh right.

<siccness> gnumeric owns

<quail-laptop> w00t i just got an email to tell me my adsl2+ will be connected mid next month :-D

<MistaED> quail-laptop: i'm waiting for exetel to change me from iinet to them :P

<MistaED> i'm going off telstra's network and onto an optus dslam for some 24mbps adsl2+ fun

<MistaED> brb, edgy amd64 fresh install

<rowanjl> optus sucl

<rowanjl> k

<rowanjl> optus suckle!

<cafuego> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.

<DarkMageZ> cafuego, congratz

<quail-laptop> cafuego: sudo apt-get clean

<DarkMageZ> doesn't dapper auto-clean every 30 days or so by default :S

<quail-laptop> clean removes all parkages from the archives

<quail-laptop> sudo apt-get auto-clean only removes the oldest

<cafuego> quail-laptop: dude

<quail-laptop> cafuego: i gather you got space back

<cafuego> quail-laptop: No, I was expressing that of course I had already cleaned the package cache <heh>

<quail-laptop> oh

<frederick85> cool, Ubuntu became more trendy

* cafuego is unsure why his entire system seems to suddnely depend on eclipse

* quail-laptop put on while cafuego's pc goes through an eclipse

<quail-laptop> +sunglasses

<quail-laptop> ah this beer is going down damn well

<siccness> This beer is about go up

<siccness> Crown Lager is easily one of the worst beers in this country

<rowanjl> its beer, so its bad either way

<siccness> Get out.

<elkbuntu> lol

<siccness> I'm not sure when the humour was. :|

<siccness> Hummers in Australia!

<siccness> Sweeeet

<siccness> I need to borrow $50,000 of Shuttz

<rowanjl> Someone just accused me of being "un-american", like thats a bad thing

<siccness> elkz, raining again :)

<elkbuntu> rain has got here now

<siccness> Cool :)

<siccness> Big sicc is happy

<rowanjl> its raining here also

<siccness> and when sicc is happy, it doesnt matter if the beer tastes like cat piss

<rowanjl> why is that good?

<rowanjl> haha

<siccness> Farmers

<rowanjl> yeah

<rowanjl> you guys up river hog all the water

<siccness> Rubbish

<siccness> Don't blame us

* rowanjl points to the open trenches

<siccness> Blame the government for not educating us

<rowanjl> and then over here, night-time dripper systems

<rowanjl> haha

<siccness> Ribena time, theres only so much cat piss one man can drink :|

<rowanjl> right... time to test Beryl... back later if it works, never back if it fails :P

<quail-laptop> i have created a new wiki page, tell what you think >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5601AWLMi/HowTo

<siccness> Looks great

<siccness> top work mate

<siccness> How do you deal with that channel, DarkMageZ?

<DarkMageZ> siccness, #ubuntu?

<siccness> Yeah

<DarkMageZ> let me teach you the secret :)

<siccness> I've been in there 5mins and noticed so much inaccurate information

<DarkMageZ> see, the magic is

<DarkMageZ> to not even look @ the channel

<DarkMageZ> just quickly look for a good question and answer, then ignore

<DarkMageZ> unless that person talks back :)

<siccness> Yeah, I want to help people though. But I don't want to risk providing an answer, in case some idiot replies back "NOEZ manzz, you dont need to backup xorg first, idiot, jsut do it"

<MotherLUG> Evening All

<siccness> Evening cutie :)

<siccness> What you been up to?

<quail-laptop> siccness: you can help me

<siccness> Of course!

<DarkMageZ> gotta love those newbie's who will try and install some random app. then configure will tell them that they need qt, so they'll download qt's source =D

<siccness> I'm a genius, quail-laptop.

<quail-laptop> MotherLUG: hi, how are you and the tribe?

<siccness> DarkMageZ: Man, it's a joke. No one even tries to use google.

<Randumb> OMG siccness why do you backup xorg!

<siccness> OMG who knowz man!

<DarkMageZ> what we need to do, is work on that documentation. then put a link on the desktop to the documentation. then if they ask something that the documentation should already answer

<Randumb> it takes precious extra seconds and KBs of space!

<siccness> DarkMageZ: What needs to be done is making documentation on how to use google

<siccness> but then they wont be able to find the documentation

<siccness> because they cant use google

<MotherLUG> quail-laptop, I'm fabulous and the tribe is all in bed SLEEPING woot woot woot

<Randumb> www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

<siccness> so either way, they'll find themselves on #ubuntu asking questions that have been answered more than 30,000 times

<siccness> or the forums of course.

<DarkMageZ> well, i think i'll review the documentation

<DarkMageZ> and then hopefully less problems for feisty fawn :)

<quail-laptop> MotherLUG: :-)

<siccness> 2.6.19

<siccness> hmm

<elkbuntu> Randumb, please dont use that page

<Randumb> ?

<elkbuntu> !stfu

<ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.

<Randumb> i wasnt directing it at anyone

<Randumb> just about the discussion of google manuals :)

<siccness> ill take the blame for it

<siccness> sorry elkz

<DarkMageZ> aww, but rtfm is useful

<siccness> heh

<DarkMageZ> tho, it should be worded differently of cource

<siccness> rtm perhaps

<siccness> Although thats taken for "Return to Manufacturar"

<DarkMageZ> "you should probably have alook @ system > help > system documentation"

<siccness> I can't imagine how much pain you would have gone through to have typed "at" rather than "@".

<siccness> ;-)

<Randumb> lol

<Randumb> zero extra keys

<DarkMageZ> oh, lol, luckily i don't write documentation...

<Randumb> true

<siccness> +1

<siccness> G'day Tate

<quail-laptop> i have a question, i am having a blond moment, how do you miss the kerneling numbering when you for say apt-get installing linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic

<siccness> Whoa, we had hail there.

<siccness> Hmm, quail-laptop?

<quail-laptop> is it linux-restricted-modules-'uname'-generic

<siccness> yea but you gotta use $

<quail-laptop> where

<siccness> it should be something like $(uname -r)

<siccness> or something like that

<quail-laptop> is it linux-restricted-modules-'$uname'-generic

<quail-laptop> like this linux-restricted-modules-$uname -r-generic

<siccness> yeah

<quail-laptop> or

<siccness> maybe you dont use $

<quail-laptop> like this linux-restricted-modules-'$uname -r'-generic

<siccness> shit now you got me confused

<siccness> hang on

<siccness> do an echo

<siccness> and test it

<siccness> echo linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)-generic

<siccness> ok you have two choices, the first method (just above this line)

<siccness> or: linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`-generic

<quail-laptop> siccness: this where i up to on my wiki page >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5601AWLMi/HowTo

<siccness> Nice man

<siccness> That's cool

<quail-laptop> well have to be helpful somehow

<siccness> Surely.

<siccness> Quick suggestion for you

<quail-laptop> shoot

<siccness> "copy of xorg.conf file", I think it'd be better with "example of xorg.conf file"

<siccness> thats just my 2 cents tho champ

<quail-laptop> yep kewl that does sound better

<siccness> cuz someone might read "copy of xorg conf file" and actually copy that one over theres.

<quail-laptop> yeah very true

<quail-laptop> but it will not harm there system

<quail-laptop> it just a basic xorg.conf with my addons

<siccness> true

<quail-laptop> my addons are to get the synaptic pad work as the install of edgy not pick it up and put it in the xorg.conf

<siccness> did it pick it up in dapper?

<quail-laptop> no

<quail-laptop> but it worked tho

<siccness> heh

<quail-laptop> alot of that wiki page is to rimind me what the hell i have done to get this laptop preductive

<siccness> Heh

<quail-laptop> productive

<siccness> It'll help others for sure.

<quail-laptop> yeah i have been helping another bloke that got the same laptop via email

<quail-laptop> i'll have to go upgrade my friends laptop soon as he got the same as me

<quail-laptop> and i said i'l get him on edgy when it released

<hantu> hrm

<hantu> pcbsd doesnt impress me

<hantu> :o

<quail-laptop> i got the alternate cd on my hdd for the job

<hantu> nothing really does, bah.

<hantu> hi quail, siccz.

<quail-laptop> hantu: you just hard to please that all

<quail-laptop> ni hao hantu

<hantu> quail: and you know that :o

<siccness> this sucks not having alcohol

* quail-laptop shares his beer with siccness

<siccness> I got beer

<siccness> but it's crap beer

<quail-laptop> i got coopers pale ale

<siccness> so basically, crap beer? :)

<quail-laptop> hell no

<TigerWolf> mmmm extra dry platinum

<hantu> get milo or coffee!

<nikusan> it seems that pioneer.com.au don't offer linspire on their notebooks anymore

<nikusan> they're offering something called "Ubantu Linux", someone should update the wiki :D

<AlexC> i just installed java runtime enviro. and every time i start firefox it seems to be working and then it suddenly quits without warning

<Phlosten> nikusan: ?

<nikusan> Phlosten, I was just poking around their build-your-own notebook pages and the OS options have changed

<nikusan> they're mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks

<Phlosten> that would be pioneercomputers.com.au not pioneer.com.au?

<nikusan> yeah you're right, whoops sorry

<Phlosten> nikusan: ah i see on there cheap one too

<Phlosten> nikusan: they also do open office for free too

<Phlosten> "Smiliar to Microsoft Office"

<Phlosten> heh

<nikusan> yeah I noticed that

* quail-laptop knows what he going to have for suppa tomorrow night

<Phlosten> poached quail eggs?

<quail-laptop> a nice near 1Kg big bit of rump steak

* Phlosten schedules quail in for some follow up heart surgery

<quail-laptop> hehe

<quail-laptop> and i will be making my own marinade for it to

*** Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee

<Phlosten> g'night all

<quail-laptop> lime, corianda, mild chili sauce

<ashugg> meep

<elkbuntu> meep meep

<siccness> meep

<quail-laptop> B00 B00

<siccness> I treasure your love, I never wanna lose it, you been through the fires of hell, and i know you got the ashes to prove it

*** Mac_Switcher is now known as Davo_Dinkum

<Davo_Dinkum> Hi all.

<siccness> Hey

<Davo_Dinkum> How can I format a USB hard drive?

<siccness> Does this channel have stats?

<siccness> same way you would normally, Davo_Dinkum

<Davo_Dinkum> What are stats?

<siccness> IRC statistics

<elkbuntu> siccness, no stats, no

<siccness> aka "who talks the most"

<Davo_Dinkum> How would I do it normally then"?

<elkbuntu> !format

<ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted - Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs") - Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks

<ashugg> go the bot

<Davo_Dinkum> QTParted can be run in a shell?

<elkbuntu> doubt it

<Davo_Dinkum> I'm on FC5 here.

<Davo_Dinkum> Using KDE.

<siccness> yum qtparted? me shrugs

<siccness> FC blows.

<Davo_Dinkum> Sure does. That's why I'm getting rid of it.

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: if you just want to blat it with a fat32 filesystem use 'mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/disk'

<Davo_Dinkum> How can I find out what disk it is?

<ashugg> is it mounted?

<Davo_Dinkum> Dunno. How can I check?

<siccness> type: mount

<ashugg> dmesg|grep "sd[abcd]"

<ashugg> cat /proc/partitions can be helpful too.

<Davo_Dinkum> Would /dev/hda1 be a USB device?

<ashugg> primary IDE

*** manicka is now known as GrantG

<Davo_Dinkum> I thought so.

<siccness> hda = prim mast, hdb=prim slave, hdc=sec master, hdd=sec slave

*** GrantG is now known as manicka

<quail-laptop> hey Grant long time now see

<quail-laptop> manicka: how are you?

<manicka> hiya :)

<lucychili> waves

<manicka> life is pretty quiet for me... yourself?

<quail-laptop> manicka: i am good thx

<quail-laptop> manicka: what you been up to?

* lucychili crashes

<manicka> well, I haven't been doing much lately... having a break from IT, Linux, Ubuntu, forums and all the rest

<manicka> currently though I'm tossing up whether or not to dual boot my macbook pro with edgy

<quail-laptop> manicka: edgy is great, i am using it atm

<quail-laptop> this my new laptop i bought a couple months ago

<quail-laptop> Computer: quails-laptop | Distro: Ubuntu 6.10 "edgy" | Processor: 2x @ 800.00Mhz | Model: Intel CPU T2050 @ 1.60GHz | Memory: 1002MB Free: 562MB [▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀] | Diskspace: 73.70GB Free: 65.90GB | Video: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express @ 1280x800 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 132.17MB Up: 18.55MB

<tommo89> gday guys

<manicka> hmm, I had a go at dual booting the macbook with dapper it was a nightmare

<manicka> kernel panics etc

<manicka> I hope edgy is better

<quail-laptop> i not dual boot my laptop

<manicka> well, I might download and give it a try in the morning

<Davo_Dinkum> I got it friday morning :)

<tommo89> can anybody help me with a windows share? it wont let me write files to it

<quail-laptop> manicka: this what the DE looks like on my laptop atm >>> http://southernvaleslug.org/img/Screenshot26102006.jpg

<manicka> or maybe I'll get really brave and give Arch a try on it....lol

<quail-laptop> i got edgy alternative cd last night

<Davo_Dinkum> V. nice quail

<manicka> screenie looks nice :)

<tommo89> anybody?

<siccness> what kind of file system is it using?

<elkbuntu> tommo89, ntfs is mounted read-only unless you install ntfs drivers or something

<manicka> what's the problem tommo89 ?

<quail-laptop> tommo89: if it ntfs drive

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: you figure out the USB drive?

<Davo_Dinkum> nope.

<siccness> ashugg: cant work out what device name it is

<siccness> tried messages log

<siccness> but that was useless

<Davo_Dinkum> it's a hard drive in a usb case if that helps

<tommo89> ive sbfs mounted a windows shared folder across the network into /mnt/server, im trying to copy some files across but it says i dont have permissions

<ashugg> hmm, does that linux usually mount USB sticks etc automatically?

<Davo_Dinkum> not a USB stick!

<siccness> it's fedora, it barely mounts /

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: i know, but the interface is the same as far as linux is concerned

<Davo_Dinkum> i dont think the hard drive is formatted anyhow

<Davo_Dinkum> ashugg: Ah OK.

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: if you 'ls /dev/sd*' does it show much?

<quail-laptop> Davo_Dinkum & manicka thx on comments on DE

<ashugg> if the USB drive is detected it is probably going to appear as an sd device.

<tommo89> ive sbfs mounted a windows shared folder across the network into /mnt/server, im trying to copy some files across but it says i dont have permissions

<Davo_Dinkum> ahugg: "ls: /dev/sd: No such file or directory"

<ashugg> tommo89: does your user have write privileges to the _share_ as well as to the folder that is being shared?

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: ls /dev/sd*

<tommo89> i dont believe it has write privileges to any of it, however theres no way i can see for me to change that

* Davo_Dinkum copies and pastes

<ashugg> tommo89: shares have separate permissions

<quail-laptop> the image is ment to be a 3d digital art pic, but that bit hard on 2d

<Davo_Dinkum> ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory

<ashugg> tommo89: is "simple file sharing" turned on in exploreR? you need to turn that off to modify share permissions

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: hmm, well, if there's no device node for it then things don't look bright

<tommo89> on the windows computer? i'll take a look

<manicka> yawn..... bed

<Davo_Dinkum> ill unplug it and plug it in again

<quail-laptop> tommo89: have you got samba running on the linux boxen

<tommo89> i do have samba running on ubuntu [im on it now, this computer].. im trying to access a windows share

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: try 'lsusb -v|less'

<tommo89> i disabled 'simple file sharing' on the windows machine, set full permissions allowed on the share, still nothing

<quail-laptop> tommo89: you need samba on linux to access windows shared

<Davo_Dinkum> ashugg: some shell program just opened

<quail-laptop> tommo89: disregard my last comment

<ashugg> tommo89: if you can't get smbfs playing nicely you can use smbclient (which is like ftp)

<tommo89> okay

<tommo89> i turned off windows firewall on the other computer but still no progress

<ashugg> tommo89: does your smbfs mount include username, password etc? otherwise it will be connecting as guest

* siccness smacks something

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: yes, try 'lsusb -v | less' in a terminal window

<tommo89> no user/password for smbfs mount, but the network doesnt have it for windows

<Davo_Dinkum> smack FC5 siccness, it deserves it.

<Davo_Dinkum> ashugg: I did

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: and you didn't see the usb/ide interface in there?

<siccness> what's a good tool to compress png images with?

<fildo> hey would i be able to get a previous install on another harddisk, n put it in a new machine ?

<Davo_Dinkum> ashugg:nope. all i get is "bash: lsusb: command not found"

<ashugg> siccness: there's pngcrush in debian, it might be in ubuntu

<siccness> do it under root

<siccness> doesnt matter what it's in

<siccness> ill compile it anyway

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: look on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNG

<siccness> thanks ashugg :)

<siccness> thanks to you too Davo_Dinkum

<siccness> whatever that link has :P

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: lsusb is part of the usbutils package in ubuntu, might be something similar required on FC5, but try 'locate lsusb' in case it's just not in your $PATH

<ashugg> Davo_Dinkum: and 'man -k usb'

<Davo_Dinkum> There's stuff about PNG metadata there, which inflates PNG filesizes dramatically.

<siccness> pngcrush is mad.

<ashugg> siccness: is it?

<siccness> a whole crapload of options

<ashugg> siccness: I just create png files in gimp, they come out small enough for me

<siccness> yeah i aint compiling gimp for releasing a screenshot ;)

<siccness> hardly worth it

<ashugg> siccness: why compile? packages are so easy

<siccness> <--gentoo

<ashugg> siccness: and you're in #ubuntu-au ...

<elkbuntu> 'because he can'

<sicc