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<phanki_> bbl

<jester45> do you need power management if your on a desktop??

<ormiret> jester45: I don't think its necessary but it is still useful to suspend/hibernate/shut off bits of a desktop

<jester45> well

<jester45> i dont really have any need for it

<jester45> all its doing is taking up space and cpu

<ormiret> I don't think you can solve the space issue without compiling your own kernel, but giving the noacpi (I think) kernel option at boot time will switch it off.

<jester45> do you know how to do that

<jester45> i dont know anyting about kernels

<ellioTb> your mom is a kernel

<jester45> that makes no sence

<jester45> spelling is bad

<ellioTb> what up

<Zeqfreed> hi everyody

<Zeqfreed> err everybody

<PuMpErNiCkLe> re

<Zeqfreed> yet another one boring sunday morning..

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Nexuiz makes it less boring.

<Zambezi> Anybody know how to block external IP on rsync? Or give access to one specific IP-number? I'm trying, but it doesn't work.

<Zeqfreed> firewall?

<eevench> I am running with low memory. Can I disable icons in the XFCE menu?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> The menu editor has an option for which icon to show for a program, and lists 'none' as one of those options.

<ormiret> eevench: right click on the menu and then Properties. There is a "show icons in menu checkbox in there".

<ormiret> bah the " seems to have migrated a few words too far :(

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Hm, that would be more logical.

<ellioTb> how do i get my host to show up as "unaffiliated"

<ellioTb> so jealous

<crimsun> ellioTb: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks

<ellioTb> crimsun: thanx

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<ellioTb> hrmm

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<ellioTb> gotta donate or find a network op huh

<crimsun> not for "unaffiliated", no

<crimsun> oh, a staffer? yes.

<crimsun> ellioTb: you could ask nalioth or PhilKC

<ellioTb> crimsun: thanx, not too worried about it, just was always jealous

<ellioTb> wish i had one when jknife was DOS'ing me

<situmam> Hello Guys... where did the compositor option disappear to in Edgy Eft ?

<nwbreneman> i'm having trouble with rhythmbox. i think it is trying to play via my default sound card, rather than my usb sound card. any help please?

<jester45> i have a question about apt-get build-dep

<jester45> if u use it and get teh deps

<jester45> can you remove the deps after you build the app

<Gloubiboulga> you need to keep the runtime dependencies

<Gloubiboulga> but you can remove all the development packages (ie the -dev packages)

<jester45> are the runtime deps the same as the ones you have for a non source install

<Gloubiboulga> the ones you get installed when apt-get installing a .deb package? yes

<jester45> lets say apt-get install firefox needs depA depB

<Gloubiboulga> depA et depB are the runtime dependencies

<jester45> and doing buildeps gives me depA depBdepA-dev

<Gloubiboulga> you can safely remove depA-dev to run firefox

<jester45> ok

<jester45> o

<jester45> and

<jester45> building from source makes things run faster right

<Gloubiboulga> the speed gain is not really significant I think

<ormiret> jester45: not unless you are changing compile options to optimise for your hardware / remove some functionality.

<jester45> huumm

<jester45> i dont think i want less function

<jester45> and i dont think my hardware is that diffrent

<jester45> also

<jester45> do you know how to remove power management from the boot up

<jester45> the reason is that im running linux on my xbox

<jester45> and the power management doesnt work well with the xbox

<jester45> gets errors alot

<ormiret> I think the noacpi kernel option switches it off, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto has a section on passing kernel parameters

<ormiret> (IS grub used on the xbox install?)

<jester45> umm

<jester45> im not sure

<jester45> you ever seen the xbox menu

<Zeqfreed> does anyone know if gajim can always show a multiline edit widget?

<jester45> the xbox live function is changed to shutdown the xbox's first os and the linux one just boots up

<jester45> do you need grub for it to work

<jester45> humm

<ormiret> that sounds like it will have a wierd bootloader then, you'll need to find the docs/someone who knows to find out how to pass kernel options from it.

<jester45> ^/join #test

<Jest_xbot> jester45: Error: "/join" is not a valid command.

<jester45> dang

<jester45> anyone know about supybot

<jester45> tring to get my xbox to change channels

<jester45> ^quit

<Jest_xbot> jester45: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

<catalytic> how can i give a user access to a newly mounted drive?

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<Zeqfreed> can i somehow make proftpd to follow symlinks?

<Zeqfreed> or maybe there's some different way to make a "virtual folder"

<Zeqfreed> huh?

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<thorns> My system just crashed without me doing anything

<thorns> pts/1 :0.0 Sun Oct 22 13:42 - crash (01:05)

<thorns> What should I do to find out why?

<thorns> Or what *can* I do?

<crimsun> what was your system doing?

<TheSheep> thorns: check the logs in /var/log

<thorns> I had Firefox with one tab

<thorns> It was open for more than an hour

<thorns> I was reading and writing (on paper)

<thorns> Then suddenly it rebooted

<TheSheep> crazy

<crimsun> meaning it just power-cycled, and that's that?

<thorns> Yes, I guess

<thorns> It was instant

<crimsun> that doesn't sound like a crash.

<thorns> look at what I pasted

<TheSheep> maybe there was a power outage?

<thorns> Says crash

<thorns> Oh no

<crimsun> wtmp says that when it wasn't cleanly updated prior to shutdown

<crimsun> you'd have the same thing if you yanked the plug

<thorns> I hope it's what you say

<crimsun> (and clearly yanking the plug isn't the same thing as an application or kernel crash)

<crimsun> anyhow, have you tested your RAM, power supply, cpu, etc.?

<thorns> brb

<TheSheep> crimsun: you can crash if you trip over the cable and yank the plug... ;)

<crimsun> yeah, but that'd be a pebkac. Different cause, same symptom. ;-)

<thorns> tested the ram, yes

<thorns> do you guys think jfs is much less cpu intensive than reiserfs3?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Most FSs are less cpu-intensive than Reiser.

<thorns> A friend of mine that tested Reiser3/ReiserFS4/Ext3/XFS/JFS says JFS is by far the best compromise

<TheSheep> thorns: depends on what you do, how many files you have, how large, how often accessed, etc.

<TheSheep> thorns: as with all compromises, they depend on the situation

<TheSheep> thorns: and you won't get any real answers without testing

<yeti> what's a good lightweight music player for use with xubuntu? rhythmbox? or rather xmms/beep media player?

<thorns> TheSheep: Yeah, but considering the latest news about hans reiser, what do you think is to become of reiserfs3?

<thorns> yeti: xmms is the lightest, my opinion

<thorns> yeti: though you could use mp3blaster on your console :))

<TheSheep> yeti: mpd

<thorns> TheSheep: I think mp3blaster is lighter :P

<TheSheep> thorns: if the project is any good, it will be picked up and continued

<TheSheep> thorns: you're sure? ;)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Reiserfs is more or less superceded by Reiser4, and someone will probably pick up development on that.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Possibly they'll even rewrite it to be acceptable to the kernel devs.

* TheSheep gets goose bumps

<thorns> lol

<thorns> Here's another question so you won't get cold

<thorns> Do you guys use Jabber? (duh!)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Nope.

<thorns> ~_~

<thorns> Anyone?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> It's not that I have anything against it - no one I know uses it.

<thorns> Next!

<v3ctor> i used it one to connec to google talk

<thorns> ^^

<v3ctor> connect*

<thorns> v3ctor: So you use the google talk client?

<v3ctor> no...i used gaim

<thorns> Besides that what other protocols do you make use of?

* TheSheep uses jabber, but not as much as irc

<thorns> My point was to get some names of favorite IM clients

<TheSheep> thorns: gaim is pretty good, gossip is nice too

<thorns> And I wanted to say I use Gajim, but I wonder if anyone else finds it slow

<TheSheep> gajim takes too much ram to my tastes -- it's python after all

<thorns> TheSheep: I want to try out the other clients that I haven't yet

<thorns> So what else have you used?

<TheSheep> my friend uses PSI, but it looks ugly

<thorns> Gossip?

<TheSheep> thorns: gossip is pretty simplistic

<thorns> Ah, Psi! I can't wait for it to become modular, and no it can look good if you patch it

<TheSheep> thorns: can it look like all my gtk apps?

<thorns> But I think Psi had an issue with mod_muc...

<thorns> TheSheep: well, I don't know, but there's this gtk engine that can make all gtk apps look like qt apps ^^;

<TheSheep> thorns: yeah, downgrading is easier

<thorns> So what does Gossip do? Mod_muc? Transports?

<TheSheep> thorns: messages

<thorns> xD

<TheSheep> thorns: and contact list

<TheSheep> thorns: and that;'s about all

<thorns> Anything else you used besides Gaim?

* thorns installing gossip

<TheSheep> telnet

<TheSheep> and netcat

<thorns> lol

<thorns> Hey, gossip is cute

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<Beakster> hey, im downloading xubuntu-6.10-beta-desktop just now to install mythtv on

<Beakster> anyone done this before?

<Ghetto_Smurf> when will a final edgy eft xubuntu release be available?

<Gloubiboulga> in 4 days I guess

<Gloubiboulga> with all the *ubuntu

<Ghetto_Smurf> wich xfce version will it be?

<keb> i just downloaded rc1 of edubuntu 6.10, it works nicely

<Gloubiboulga> Ghetto_Smurf, >RC1

<thorns> What's different with Edgy?

<thorns> The Xubuntu one

<thorns> What Xfce version does it have?

<Gloubiboulga> RC1

<Gloubiboulga> plus some newer svn snapshots for some components

<thorns> I have 4.4 BETA1 Xfce ...

<Ghetto_Smurf> i'm still with the 6.06 xubuntu release

<Ghetto_Smurf> along with the menu bug

<Ghetto_Smurf> :|

<thorns> What bug?

<Ghetto_Smurf> the menu bug!

<Gloubiboulga> it's been fixed months ago in dapper-updates

<thorns> What the bug do?

<Ghetto_Smurf> you would edit the menu.xml, and the original wiped out

<Ghetto_Smurf> so you just had no menu

<thorns> I never edited my menu

<thorns> Once I wanted to add something so I added it to /usr/share/applications/*.desktop file

<thorns> and it poped out in the menu rite away

<thorns> What else do you need to do, to add a entry to the menu?

<slow-motion> hallo

<alex____> hi

<alex____> where can I download the kernel-source for XUbuntu 6.06?

<keb> use synaptic to install the linux-source package?

<keb> er

<b_52Centos> what is it not possibleto drag and pop 2 files between2 thunar windows ?

<keb> are they showing the same directory

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<ellioTb> what up

<somerville32> Hey Everyone

<ellioTb> hey somerville32

* somerville32 shivers.

<somerville32> It is cold today.

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<ellioTb> yeah it is

<ellioTb> its 61 degrees here

<Zeqfreed> ouch, mpd crashes with "segmentation failed" error while creating the database

<somerville32> 10 degrees here

<somerville32> *shivers*

<ellioTb> gotta jet

* somerville32 waves.

<somerville32> Zeqfreed: Please file a bug report :)

<Zeqfreed> when it tries tp add file named "ace_unrel.it" it crashes..

<Zeqfreed> tp = to

<Zeqfreed> i'd delete this file if i could. but that partition is r/o

<somerville32> Is this bug related?

<somerville32> http://www.musicpd.org/mantis/view.php?id=1376

<Zeqfreed> somerville32: i think it is

<aoupi> hi, I'd like to login as a second user in a window while I'm still loged in as the first user. I remember doing this once in gnome but I don't remember what app I used. anyone know?

<somerville32> xnest?

<aoupi> somerville32: could'v been I'll give it a try

<Zeqfreed> somerville32: so, there's no way to prevent this error from happening?

<somerville32> Could you copy the files to somewhere else and only have files it'll accept?

<Zeqfreed> somerville32: there are about 30 GiB of files :)

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<Zeqfreed> huh. it seems that i was mistaken. partition is writable :)

<somerville32> haha, wicked

<somerville32> You should still report that as a bug.

<somerville32> Programs shouldn't just segfault like that

<Zeqfreed> somerville32: that bug you found seems to be a lot alike mine one

<somerville32> I agree.

<nwbreneman> hi, could somebody tell me if there is a conf file I can edit to change my default soundcard? crimsun was helping me last night, but I think the problem is that my music player is defaulting to the wrong soundcard

<Zeqfreed> nwbreneman: i think you should edit the config file of your player

<somerville32> What music player are you using?

<nwbreneman> i'm using rhythmbox

<somerville32> Are system sounds working?

<nwbreneman> I haven't heard any, and come to think of it, I can't get rhythmbox to play off my default soundcard either

<nwbreneman> the other card is usb, if that helps at all

<somerville32> Well, I imagine you only have speakers hooked up to one sound card

<somerville32> So I don't imagine you'd hear sound from the card you aren't plugged into

<somerville32> Did both sound cards work in Windows?

<nwbreneman> my onboard soundcard plays through my laptop speakers usually. hmm, I only used the usb device in windows. if I didn't have it plugged in, it would play through my laptop speakers

<nwbreneman> the usb card outputs to my stereo

<aoupi> nwbreneman: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:OC-QetjyTFgJ:ubuntustudio.com/wiki/index.php/Dapper:Setting_Default_Soundcard+ubuntu+default+soundcard&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a

<nwbreneman> aoupi: thanks, I actually saw that earlier, but I don't have that gui option in xfce

<aoupi> nwbreneman: oh nevermind thought I was in #ubuntu :/

<nwbreneman> aoupi: hehe, no problem. thanks though

<somerville32> I gave python another chance last night

<somerville32> I realized it wasn't such a bad language after all

<nwbreneman> where would I find rhythmbox's config files?

<TheSheep> nwbreneman: I think it stores config in gconf

<TheSheep> nwbreneman: run gconf-editor

<TheSheep> somerville32: it's really decent for quick hacking

<nwbreneman> TheSheep: hm, I tried to run it, bash doesn't recognize the command

<TheSheep> nwbreneman: then install it

<TheSheep> !gcong-editor

<TheSheep> !gconf-editor

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gcong-editor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<ubotu> gconf-editor: An editor for the GConf configuration system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14.0-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 183 kB, installed size 1736 kB

<nwbreneman> TheSheep :... good call.

<nwbreneman> I'm getting a little frustrated. I still can't get any sound output via my usb soundcard

<nwbreneman> I don't see any option in rhythmbox config to set the default soundcard, and I have no clue how to do it in xfce

<TheSheep> nwbreneman: I think it's not a question of the window manager...

<nwbreneman> TheSheep: i have no idea

<TheSheep> nwbreneman: try using xmms or bmp, they handle soundcard with their own code, and have proper options in the config

<TheSheep> nwbreneman: rhythmbox used gstreamer afair

<TheSheep> gnome-audio-properties or something like that

<TheSheep> gnome-device-defualts maybe

<nwbreneman> TheSheep: I have bmp, but I much prefer the look of rhythmbox etc. guess I don't have much choice though

<TheSheep> configuration for gstreamer is in gnome settings

<nwbreneman> I don't know how to set/change them then, or if I even can

<TheSheep> there is a gui program for that, starts with gnome-, try hitting gnome-<tab> and see what pops up

<nwbreneman> gnome-media, I think. let me try that, thank you

<keb> my gconf-editor says the default audiosink is "autoaudiosink"

<nwbreneman> mine, too

<keb> for gstreamer 0.10 and 0.8

<keb> oops no for 0.8 it says osssink

<songo> hey... i can't find the menu. isn't it called xfce4-menu? i'm searching in the repos and i can't find it

<TheSheep> songo: menu is handled by xfdesktop

<songo> thanks

<keb> ooh there is /usr/bin/gstreamer-properties

<nwbreneman> okay, I went through the gstreamer-properties, volumes are up, but there is no place to change the default card

<Zeqfreed> great! i've "fooled" mpd :)

<Zeqfreed> i created special directory and made there symlinks for every dir with mp3 files

<somerville32> Omgz, I was thinking of doing the same thing earlier!

<somerville32> :D

<Zeqfreed> :)

<somerville32> Everyone come play conquest :) Super cool game. :)

<Zeqfreed> somerville32: never heard of it

<somerville32> It is an old game.

<somerville32> Features an ncurses client and a gl client

<Zeqfreed> somerville32: what is it about?

<somerville32> Ever hard of netrek?

<somerville32> *heard

<Zeqfreed> hope :)

<Zeqfreed> err nope

<somerville32> hehe

<Zeqfreed> ))

<somerville32> It is a space shooter type game, I guess.

<somerville32> haha

<keb> nwbreneman there might be some useful info here http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t48385.html

<somerville32> I dunno much about games

<somerville32> But I enjoy it

<somerville32> Too bad hardly anyone plays it

<Zeqfreed> somerville32: ok, i'll have a look on it in the future :)

<jester45> plays whaT

<nwbreneman> thanks keb

<somerville32> apt-get install conquest

<jester45> !xfmedia

<somerville32> ;]

<ubotu> xfmedia: Xfce media player. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.1-2ubuntu11 (dapper), package size 450 kB, installed size 1412 kB

<jester45> !dep-xfmedia

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dep-xfmedia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<somerville32> !conquest

<ubotu> conquest: a real-time, multi-player space warfare game (curses client). In component universe, is optional. Version 8.1.2-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 252 kB

<jester45> does anyone know what driver xfmedia uses for audio output

<jester45> somerville32: have you ever played freelancer?

<somerville32> Nope.

<somerville32> Is it anygood?

<jester45> ** (xfmedia:16084): CRITICAL **: XfmediaXine: Unable to load audio output driver

<jester45> i think its like conquest

<jester45> its made by microsoft buts its a really good game

<jester45> when i turn 16 im getting a job

<jester45> im going to get freelancer to work in wine

<jester45> you can pay to get a program to work

<jester45> its half working right now it installes but doesnt run

<jester45> freelancer is like 4 years old maybe 5 now but looks amazing and lots of people still play it

<jester45> im wondering about something i saw about wine being able to use windows dlls to run things better

<somerville32> :)

<jester45> if thats true then im going to get a freind to install it then get dlls from him

<jester45> hopefully i will work

<somerville32> :)

<jester45> i was a moderator of a sever with about 1500 members

<somerville32> Wow. Impressive :)

<jester45> that game is so fun to mod

<jester45> its all .ini files

<jester45> i made a base that i could dock in but nobody could see it but me

<jester45> it sold this item for $1 and right next to it was a diffrent base that bought the item for like 500

<somerville32> :)

<jester45> i made so much money :)

<jester45> took like 30secs to go to each one

<jester45> and i made like 500,000 a trip

<jester45> i loved that game

<jester45> its the only thing i dont lke about linux

<jester45> like*

<jester45> is conquest 2d or 3d

<somerville32> 2d

<jester45> freelancer is 3d

<jester45> i figured it was 2d from the filesize

<jester45> hummm

<jester45> i dont know what impute is

<somerville32> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/+bug/58248

<Ubugtu> Malone bug 58248 in xfce4-mixer "Mixer & Mixer settings fail to detect soundcard." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]

<jester45> what happens if you run out of ram/swap

<somerville32> Your computer gets very very slow :P

<jester45> just wondering if something bad would happen

<jester45> im not going to run out

<jester45> well

<jester45> if i do somethings wrong

<Zeqfreed> my commputer is very very slow even when not running out of ram/swap

<jester45> :)

<jester45> what is your computer

<Zeqfreed> pentium 1700 mhz, 256 mib ram :)

<keb> i have a celeron 1700 with 512 and mine is ok speed

<keb> with xubuntu

<somerville32> My computer is 333mhz w/128mb of RAM

<keb> with gnome it was a disaster

<somerville32> I can run Gnome, KDE, and XFce - all tolerable.

<jester45> Zeqfreed: so you got 1.7ghz that isnt bad

<somerville32> Thought Xfce4 is the most tolerable, haha

<Zeqfreed> i'm experiencing a lack of ram especially when running something like eclipse

<somerville32> Currently I'm using a 600mgz with 512mb w/ Gnome and it is running better then Windows XP.

<jester45> i got a 400mhz somewhere

<somerville32> Jester: I'll pay shipping and handling for you to send it to me :P

<jester45> anything better than winxp

<jester45> i have

<jester45> a 400mhz 192 ram

<jester45> 1000mhz 512ram

<somerville32> send to me :D

<jester45> and a amd athlon 2100+

<jester45> thinking about getting a 3400

<jester45> the amd machine has 2gb ram

<keb> go for 4x4 quad core

<jester45> http://www.ixbt.com/cpu/amd/athlon64-3400/cpu-z.png

<jester45> doesnt that look good

<jester45> could you imagine the 64GB ram monsters

<jester45> wouldnt need a swap

<CarlFK> do you even need swap with 1G?

<CarlFK> I say no, given that most people don't even 'need' 1G in the first place

<jester45> sometimes

<keb> each copy of wine running WoW will need 1G

<CarlFK> um, pretty sure no one 'needs' to run WOW :)

<jester45> im using 64 of swap on the 2gb machine

<CarlFK> work = food = need. entertainment things = want

<jester45> azureus chopes the ram down

<jester45> i NEED entertainment

<jester45> azureus is using 723mb ram with 13 torrents open

<jester45> and golbal connections = ~500

<jester45> its been on for about a week now

<jester45> firefox is useing 95

<jester45> 3tabs

<CarlFK> hard core BT fans don't use az :)

<jester45> cpu is at 15%-9%

<keb> rtorrent is cool

<jester45> yes i would use utorrent

<jester45> i love utorrent

<jester45> but hate it with wine

<jester45> and 1 hard core bt user uses it

<CarlFK> I stopped using wine when I could apt-get vmware

<jester45> i do like the plugins

<jester45> i never lookd in to that

<jester45> do you have to have a windows cd or something

<CarlFK> it is sweet

<CarlFK> yes

<CarlFK> you have to install some ver of win - i use 2000

<jester45> the only one i have is win98

<jester45> i dont know where its at

<CarlFK> given that you are using it in a very protected and limited environment (like no IE browsing) 98 would be fine

* jester45 hates ie

* jester45 loves firefox

<keb> i wonder if ie7 runs in wine

* jester45 also loves anything mozilla besides the mozilla browser

<jester45> why would you want it

<keb> i'm using firefox for windows in wine to see some flash v9 vids

<jester45> lol

<jester45> why dont they make a flash for linux

<keb> they are working on it

<keb> or actually one dude is

<jester45> they would get it done faster than him

<CarlFK> I think they did

<jester45> but he probly cant keep up with the win version

<jester45> he needs people to help him

<CarlFK> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/

<keb> still no source code

<keb> thanks

<CarlFK> f*ckers...

<CarlFK> I wonder why?

<keb> i dont think adobe has ever released any

<jester45> they should

<jester45> gets lots more support

<TheSheep> their apps have no source code, they write them as is ;)

<keb> l33t

<CarlFK> nice

<jester45> the amd athlon fx-51has a latency of 52ns and teh 3400+ has ns46

<jester45> is 6ns really matter

<TheSheep> really?

* TheSheep recalls his overclocked 8Mhz 80088

<keb> the 6810 was a better chip during that generation

<TheSheep> those were the days, you could overclock a cpu form 4Mhz to 8Mhz, imagine, twice as much!

<keb> true

<keb> i wonder if linux would run on a c64

<TheSheep> keb: 6810 arch was better not because of the cpu (although their assembler is cute), but because of accompanying hardware acceleration for sound and graphics ;)

<TheSheep> keb: I think elks runs on c64

<keb> yes it was a nice platform to write for

<keb> ooh i just noticed the topic

<TheSheep> hm?

<keb> why isnt xubuntu rc in the main edgy eft releas enotes

<TheSheep> keb: xubuntu is community-driven

<keb> oic

<TheSheep> keb: i.e. not official

<jester45> TheSheep: help me with xfmedia

<TheSheep> jester45: no

<jester45> TheSheep: please

<TheSheep> jester45: no

<jester45> it stoped working

<jester45> i removed it

<TheSheep> jester45: check your xine

<keb> i use mplayer for everything ;)

<jester45> then apt-get install xfmedia

<jester45> and now i get

<jester45> a no audio output driver

<jester45> i like mplayer for movies

<jester45> xfmedia for music

<jester45> they have diffrent playlist

<jester45> so how do i check xine

<somerville32> I use beep-media-player

<jester45> i did apt-get check

<TheSheep> jester45: first check i it's intalled

<jester45> ok

<jester45> thats a start

<jester45> Package xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.

<jester45> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or

<jester45> is only available from another source

<TheSheep> jester45: check your sources

<jester45> umm

<jester45> th source.list

<jester45> the*

<jester45> ?

<TheSheep> yeah

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<jester45> umm

<jester45> i have to go away

<jester45> so you know the repo wiht xine

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<TheSheep> !libxine

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libxine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<TheSheep> !xine

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<TheSheep> :/

<TheSheep> !libxine1

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libxine1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<TheSheep> funny

<TheSheep> I have it installed

<PuMpErNiCkLe> !info libxine1 edgy

<ubotu> libxine1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2929 kB, installed size 6820 kB

<TheSheep> PuMpErNiCkLe: how is it called in dapper?

<keb> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxine-main1.list

<keb> does that help

<keb> hmm i prefer the spinning wheel animation for edgy xubuntu splash

<PuMpErNiCkLe> TheSheep: libxine-main1

<keb> might be cool to have the rodent zipping around between the humans

<kanato> hey, I'm trying to install xubuntu on an older machine

<kanato> but I'm having trouble with the live cd

<kanato> it loaded into X11 once, but didn't respond to any keyboard/mouse input

<kanato> now I can't get it to load into X11.. it goes through and loads a bunch of stuff and then just gives me a blank screen

<PuMpErNiCkLe> What kind of hardware are you using?

<kanato> athlon 700, 512 MB ram, nVidia Riva TNT2

<tich> hello. i've been looking into this f--king cool looking program called beryl but i am a constant noob (there needs to be a better term for someone that will happily never progress to computer genius) is it fairly easy to install and run? has anyone tried it?

<thorns> Anyone knows why sh ./anything says cannot execute binary file?

<thorns> Or "sh ls", "sh Terminal" etc

<thorns> All give that error

<PuMpErNiCkLe> kanato: You can disable 'splash' and 'quiet' at the boot menu to get more debugging information.

<keb> thorns : sh launches a new command shell and runs the word after "sh"

<keb> hmm

<kanato> ok

<kanato> is there anyway to make the CD just directly install, without loading the whole OS?

<thorns> keb: sh /usr/bin/Terminal does the same then

<PuMpErNiCkLe> kanato: There's an alternate install cd that will load less of the OS, but that's about it.

<thorns> So why can't sh execute any binary file?

<thorns> Cause no shell scripts work

<thorns> my /bin/sh is linked to bash

<keb> mine too

<kanato> so to disable quiet and splash I just remove those from the boot options?

<thorns> keb: so opening a Terminal and typing sh Terminal does it open a new Terminal?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> thorns: Use sh -c ls

<PuMpErNiCkLe> kanato: Yes.

<thorns> PuMpErNiCkLe: Wow

<thorns> PuMpErNiCkLe: Why doesn't it work for me like it does for keb?

<keb> thorns : i get same results as you

<PuMpErNiCkLe> sh expects a script, unless you specify otherwise.

<keb> ah there it is in `man sh` in the ARGUMENTS section

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<kanato> well, it's giving a bunch of hard drive read errors on hdb... but that hasn't stopped it from continuing.

<thorns> I have thsi config setting for Scite: command.go.*.pas="Terminal -e $(FileName)"

<thorns> Now it normally executes all that line with sh

<thorns> But how can I fix it?

<thorns> This wouldn't happen on let's say Gentoo

<kanato> ok, so I have it loaded into the desktop on the live cd, but it doesn't respond to any keyboard or mouse input

<kanato> I'm using a USB keyboard with a built-in touchpad

<kanato> it looks like it wasn't loading because I had another USB mouse plugged in.. I removed that and now it loads the desktop, but nothing works...

<kanato> I can't even toggle the Numlock light on the keyboard.

<keb> does Ctrl-Alt-F1 take you to a text login window

<kanato> nope, there is no response

<keb> (you can use Alt-F7 to get back if it does)

<keb> oh

<kanato> heh.. it must be a keyboard problem.. I just saw the clock advance

<keb> is your mouse and keyboard plugged into the wrong ports

<slow-motion> n8

<kanato> well, it's USB

<kanato> the keyboard works for getting into the bios and in the very first xubuntu boot menu that comes up

<keb> what if you replug the keyboard now

<kanato> nope, that doesn't help :(

<kanato> maybe I should try disabling the bios usb keyboard support..

<kanato> if I do that, the keyboard won't work in the cd boot menu..

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<jester45> TheSheep: in addition to the error i also have been getting this /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: No such file or directory

<jester45> also i had libxine-main1 installed

<kanato> yeah, it doesn't work..

<kanato> does xubuntu not have support for usb devices?

<jester45> it has support

<keb> i'm using a usb mouse now, havent tried keyboard

<jester45> my mouse keybaord a dvd drive and mp3 player all work

<kanato> can you just plug them in and have it work?

<jester45> the only thing is my keyboards mulimedia buttons dont do anything

<kanato> I have another mouse and I plug it in and it doesn't work

<jester45> yes

<jester45> what kind

<keb> i once installed 5.10 on a machine that had only usb devices and it worked

<kanato> does it work when booting off the live CD?

<jester45> are you on a live cd or an install

<kanato> the keyboard is an adesso usb keyboard with built in touchpad

<kanato> I'm on the live cd, I'm trying to install it

<kanato> the mouse is a Microsoft Intellimouse

<kanato> 3.0

<kanato> any ideas on what I can do?

<jester45> new keyboard

<kanato> I have another USB keyboard -- same problem

<kanato> the keyboard works fine for navigating the BIOS, etc.

<jester45> iconcepts has a 3button mouse and keyboard for $15

<jester45> they are comboed into one wire

<jester45> they are wireless

<kanato> that's cool.. but how will that help? I have already tried another keyboard, and both keyboards works fine on a different machine

<jester45> is diffrent machine windows

<kanato> yeah

<jester45> everything works on windows because its made for windows

<apokruphos> I've got a question that's not strictly about xubuntu, but is on a xubuntu machine. could someone give me a hand?

<jester45> if your making a computer part you dont want to be only usable on linux

<jester45> apokruphos: i can try

<somerville32> Not everything works on Windows

<somerville32> A lot of stuff _doesn't_ work on Windows

<jester45> allmost

<kanato> is it common to see USB keyboards and mice not work on linux?

<somerville32> For example, my current video card doesn't work under Windows _at all_ but it works amazingly under Linux.

<apokruphos> I'm trying to play around with perl, made sure it was installed, but the perl files I'm creating aren't executing.

<jester45> im taking as for extrenal things

<somerville32> And USB stuff like mouse and keyboards should work fine

<apokruphos> tried to chmod -x file, but didn't do anything

<kanato> i mean, those should be pretty basic

<jester45> apokruphos: did you make then executable

<apokruphos> I thought I had, but possibly not

<somerville32> You need to have #!/path/to/perl/executable in the first line

<somerville32> *on

<somerville32> *as

<jester45> kanato: the devlepers know they need it but they cant make a driver fer everything

<apokruphos> I've got that

<somerville32> chmox -x removes executable privs

<somerville32> *chmod

<somerville32> You want chmod +x

<kanato> the developers know they need what?

<jester45> ooops

<jester45> i wants looking at my screen

<jester45> wasnt*

<apokruphos> still won't work. just says command not found.

<jester45> the develpers know what they need to add for users to beable to control the computer

<ormiret> apokruphos: does it work if you use 'perl filename'

<jester45> but they cant make a driver for every keyboard ever made

<apokruphos> ah. yeah. that'd be it. knew I was leaving something out.

<apokruphos> thanks much

<somerville32> I'm guessing you aren't familiar with relative paths

<ormiret> It is either permissions or the #! that is wrong then, check the permisions with 'ls -l' and make sure the path in the #! matches 'which perl'

<somerville32> apokruphos: Did you type <fillename> or ./<filename>?

<apokruphos> just <filename>

<jester45> would anyone like to teach me about the directory hierarchy like /usr /lib

<kanato> is that really necessary for USB keyboards? I mean, windows has a generic driver that gives basic support to any USB keyboard or mouse.. I would think that would be possible for Linux too.

<jester45> i dont understand why there are so many

<jester45> most things do work

<jester45> most "generic" thigs do

<Master199> hello

<jester45> like your microsoft mouse

<jester45> i dont think M$ would give away driver info to something that is taking away from their $$$

<kanato> well, that one doesn't work for me :/ actually, if I boot up with the mouse plugged in, the red light on it turns on, but I don't get the X desktop.. just a blank screen.

<somerville32> kanato: It is possible and they have it :P

<kanato> yeah, that's what I thought :) so, then my question is, why doesn't mine work? :)

<somerville32> Kanato: I dunno why things aren't working for you but I'm currently using a Microsoft Keyboard with fingerprint reader and microsoft wireless mouse - both USB.

<somerville32> I recommend filing a bug report.

<somerville32> or bug reports in your case :P

<kanato> yeah.. I have every reason to believe it _should_ work. So I think it should be a matter of figuring out what settings to come up with

<kanato> unless it's a weird, esoteric incompatibility with my mainboard USB controller

<jester45> well

<jester45> your mouse is working right

<kanato> seems to.. although once I have booted up without the mouse plugged in, if I plug it in it won't work. but I don't know if that's to be expected.

<somerville32> apokruphos: When you type a command into bash, it doesn't look in your current directory

<somerville32> So you have to put ./ in front of it

<somerville32> The ./ means the current directory

<jester45> dosent ~/ mean to look in the /home/user

<apokruphos> ah, thanks. I think actually remember seeing that a while ago, I just forgot since then. =p

<somerville32> :)

<jester45> dang human minds

<jester45> do you guys know how to mulimedia buttons to work

<jester45> thecomputer knows that i pressed it but does nothing

<jester45> i tried seeting a keyboard shortcut but that just left a empty space

<jester45> seting*

<somerville32> I dunno if it works in Xubuntu

<somerville32> Works fine in Ubuntu

<drbreen> can xubuntu work on a pc with 300 mhz and only about 64 mb ram ? slackware current works...

<jester45> i think it should

<drbreen> what can i do to tweak it ?

<jester45> you might want to install via text based

<drbreen> or should i use debian unstable with 2.4 kernel for speed.

<jester45> remove things :)

<ormiret> drbreen: you'll have ti install from the alternative CD as that isn't enough RAM for the live one

<drbreen> yeah i already know about the live cd hassle with low ram

<drbreen> 128 mb juast works

<drbreen> but takes a loooong time

<somerville32> I run 333mhz w/128mb and I'm good

<somerville32> Applications like OpenOffice take forever to load though

<somerville32> But they are bloated and slow already, haha

<jester45> installing on live with 128mb ram is possible but the install will take longer

<kanato> well, is there anything else I can try? I'm out of ideas, aside from trying a different distro..

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Arch linux

* jester45 thinks about mousepad

<somerville32> Kanato: Whats the problem, anyhow? :P

<kanato> no keyboard input works

<kanato> plug in a mouse, and it doesn't work

<somerville32> Did you try psaux mouses?

<somerville32> +keyboards

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<kanato> if I boot up with a mouse, I hear the monitor change resolutions, but I don't get the desktop

<kanato> psaux? you mean ps/2? I have none

<kanato> no response from numlock or capslock on the keyboard lights. I can watch the clock change, so I know the OS isn't frozen up

<kanato> so this must be an input issue

<somerville32> Get a ps/2 mouse and keyboard and send us the logs

<kanato> I have two different keyboards and two different mice; none work

<somerville32> There isn't really much more we can do if you don't have any input at all

<somerville32> Ok, Poll time!

<somerville32> POLL: Should I make "Teriyaki Noodles" or "Singapore Curry Noodles"?

<Gareth^> teriyaki bar none

<ormiret> .me votes for teriyaki

<Gareth^> kanato, usb kbd/mouse?

<kanato> yeah, usb keyboard and mouse

<kanato> I can put in stuff at the first startup menu on loading the CD, if I turn on the BIOS support for USB keyboard

<ormiret> kanato: can you get into the GRUB boot menu?

<kanato> screen saver works too :)

<kanato> how do I do that?

<kanato> probably I can

<Gareth^> hm, try booting without the "splash" boot parameter - it might give you a clue there

<kanato> yeah, I did that

<Gareth^> any "holy crap this is not working abort abort" messages?

<kanato> I got a bunch of errors trying to read the hard drive.. no big surprise there, I guess

<kanato> but it just went past them

<ormiret> does CTRL-ALT-F1 work?

<kanato> which is sensible, because it's supposed to be an install cd

<kanato> nope, it doesn't

<moi-meme> anyway...how can I play mp3 files in xubuntu?

<kanato> with the screensaver on, I can't hit any key on the keyboard to break out of it

<moi-meme> whick packets do I need to install?

<ormiret> !mp3

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<moi-meme> tnx

<moi-meme> what was the apt-??? search command? I forgot:(

<keb> there is a search in sympatic

<keb> *synaptic

<somerville32> apt-cache search

<moi-meme> cache,tnx

<somerville32> Ok, gotta go

* somerville32 waves.

<keb> ciao

<jester45> bye

<jester45> !lame

<ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB

<jester45> lalalalalalalala

<jester45> i just made my mulimedia buttons work

<jester45> used xev

<jester45> and sh

<jester45> works perfectly

<songo> +i've lost some itens on the panel

<songo> volume control, mount manager

<songo> graphical cpu usage

<songo> how do i get them back?

<ormiret> right click on the panel and select add new item

<songo> they are not installed anymore. i need their names to apt-get

<songo> or for some reason they don't apear on the available itens list

<ormiret> xfce4-mount-plugin, can't find the volume one

<PuMpErNiCkLe> xfce4-mixer

<ormiret> xfce4-cpugraph-plugin

<songo> thanks

<vge> is there a way to start xubuntu install without graphic interface?

<crimsun> sure, remove gdm or its symlinks

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<jester45> use the alterntiv install cd

<sid> Where can I get the latest version of xubuntu livecd? Was there a xubuntu beta or no? Is there xubuntu dailies like there are kubuntu and ubuntu dailies?

<sid> nevermind, I just read topic

<sid> hmm, link in topic for daily seems to be dead

<jester45> umm

<jester45> one second

<sid> it works now

<sid> was down for awhile

<sid> a few minutes

<jester45> so you dont need link now

<jester45> there is dapper and edgy cds out now

<jester45> edgy is beta

<sid> jester45: I see.

<jester45> the alternative cds are texted based so they are faster and ue less ram if you got a lower end computer

<sid> yes, I want the livecd.

<jester45> ok

<sid> The text based one is just like the debian installer

<jester45> just telling you many new to linux dont know what the alternative is

<jester45> and dont know what textbased it

<sid> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20061018/

<sid> alternative doesn't seem to be listed anyway

<jester45> they might not have an alt for edgy

<PuMpErNiCkLe> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/xubuntu/daily/current/

<malnilion> Hey, guys, recently when I upgraded something in edgy, I dunno, maybe it was xfce or something, I no longer have a few items at the top of my menu which I used to have including the run program thing.

<malnilion> Is there any way to regenerate the xfce menu?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah, there are some default ones in /etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/.

<malnilion> Which is the menu that's currently being used?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml

<malnilion> Yeah, I'm missing pretty much everything I used to have before the Settings submenu.

<malnilion> The worst part is I don't remember exactly what all used to be there, lol.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Run Program, Terminal, File Manager, and Web Browser are the default ones.

<malnilion> Yeah, that sounds right.

<malnilion> Hrmm, you wouldn't know where I could find that default configuration would you?

<malnilion> Isn't there a menu configuration utility that makes this stuff easy so people don't have to go editing xml files?

<jester45> do you know how to kill all daemons

<malnilion> Hehe, no

<jester45> o well

<malnilion> I'd suggest prayer, but I don't think that would help ;)

<jester45> restart time

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