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<Burgwork> no jono

<Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ambassadors

<nixternal> wtf

<nixternal> why follow the Fedora stuff?

<nixternal> they do the ambassador stuff

<poningru> yeah I thought thats why we had the loco thingy

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<MehdiHassanpour> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/18/1712223&from=rss

<Mirv> I guess the db server change didn't help enough. But that's true that the problems began about 8.00 UTC yesterday already.

<Mirv> the forum.ubuntu-fi.org is quite a pain to use

<mdke> slow here too.

<Mizar> Mirv: I think that the problem isn't mysql.

<Mizar> I notice that when load time for a page of forum.ubuntu-it.org is 5-6 seconds .... the time for query is 0.1xx seconds.

<Mirv> so php then perhaps?

<Mizar> mmmm I don't know .... but it seem a general problem.

<Mizar> Yesterday, on zambesi, .... also time for query was slow: 3-4 seconds.

<Mirv> well, yeah.. even the static index.html front page loads slowly

<Mirv> I use moinmoin on the rest of the ubuntu-fi site otherwise, but copy frontpage to a static index.html so that there is like a / -page (not a redirect to eg. /Wiki/FrontPage)

<Mizar> Yes ... I try yesterday to telnet directly to the apache server and get a page.

<Mirv> newz2000: is there hope that ubuntu-fi would start to work normally today (your time)?

<newz2000> There is hope, but slim. Greater hope for tomorrow.

<newz2000> I'm sorry for the problem. I knew -it would be heavy, and prepared, but I was startled by the magnitude.

<Mirv> Okay. Good that there is always hope :)

<newz2000> right now our team looks as busy as an ant-hill, including me. In an hour or so, things will hopefully slow down. Unfortunately, the people I need to talk to may go home.

<newz2000> mdke: ping, are you there?

* poningru waves at newz2000

<newz2000> hi poningru

<newz2000> smurf: I may need a DNS change later on today, will you be around? If so, when would you need it by?

<amachu> newz2000: hi, is the DNS working?

<newz2000> which dns? (can't remember what is what at the moment)

<amachu> www.ubuntu-tam.org

<amachu> our site is not opening

<newz2000> amachu: that's an unrelated problem. We overloaded the server. I'm working on that now.

<Mirv> newz2000: have you pinged smurf's GSM? I've his number

<newz2000> I haven't. I'm not ready yet, though, so I'll wait until then.

<Mirv> ok.

<newz2000> Would you e-mail me the info though? matthew.nuzum@canonical.com

<Mirv> ok.

<amachu> newz2000: ok

<Mirv> newz2000: e-mailed, made a typo, I think it was valid at least half a year ago.

<newz2000> Mirv, thanks. Got it.

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<amachu> One doubt

<amachu> whats is upstream in rosetta

<smurf> newz2000: what change?

<newz2000> smurf: sorry for the delay. Will soon need some changes for ubuntu-it

<newz2000> but I'm not quite ready yet

<smurf> newz2000: talk to mitsuhiko WRT timing please, I'm off now. :-/

<newz2000> smurf: ok. I've not met mitsuhiko yet, but he can make dns changes?

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: jep

<smurf> newz2000: otherwise I wouldn't ask you to talk to him *g*

<mitsuhiko> after some fighting with my harddrive i finally got my ssh key back ;)

<newz2000> excellent. mitsuhiko, how long will you be available to make changes?

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: i'll keep my notebook on so i hear you beep if you need me

<mitsuhiko> approximately until 23:00 UTC+1

<mitsuhiko> s/1/2/

<newz2000> oh, excellent. That should be ample time.

<newz2000> phew. OK, Edgy RC has just been released. Now I can focus on ubuntu-it.

<mdke> newz2000: yes

<Burgwork> newz2000: where are we at with the ubuntu website stuff?

<newz2000> Burgwork mdke: I'm moving ubuntu-it forums over to hudson now.

<newz2000> mitsuhiko said he'd update the dns for us tonight

<mdke> good

<newz2000> Then, we can piece meal move the others over.

<mdke> to hudson?

<newz2000> mdke: elmo is getting you a bigger server, so this will be short term.

<newz2000> hudson for now

<mdke> oh, wow

<mdke> that's really good news

<newz2000> yeah

<mdke> I'll tell the team

<mdke> what sort of server?

<mitsuhiko> hoi mdke

<newz2000> well, his smallest server is as big as all of mine combined. He didn't say but it will be adequte.

<newz2000> All of his have 2G ram, SCSI disk and many or dual core. That's the minimum specs.

<newz2000> You could probably run 2x ubuntu-it

<mdke> ciao mitsuhiko

<mdke> newz2000: ah, a DC server. That's mega good news

<mdke> good newz, as it were

<newz2000> :D

<newz2000> I've got the forum moved over but all I see is a blank page.

<newz2000> I can't figure out what's going on

<mdke> newz2000: we could get Mizar to help.

<newz2000> is he online?

<mdke> I could sms him, no idea if he will be free

<newz2000> someone else is using that forum... let me see if I can remember who

<mdke> the database doesn't need moving, right?

<newz2000> right.

<mdke> so there are no issues with shutting it down or anything

<newz2000> right.

<newz2000> All we have to do is either put your forum in maintenance mode on zambezi and then make the dns change.

<newz2000> As people's dns updates ,they'll see the site moved over.

<mdke> the dns should update very fast

<newz2000> finland is using that forum

<newz2000> mdke: depends on the ttl

<newz2000> Mirv: are you still around?

<mdke> newz2000: it's 5 minutes

<mdke> Matthias changed it before we switched this week

<newz2000> sweet. That will go fast then.

<newz2000> grrr

<newz2000> mdke: can you ping Mizar?

<mdke> alright

<newz2000> If it doesn't work soon, we'll setup hudson to proxy so that we can get the dns done tonight.

<newz2000> Actually, that may be almost as good of a solution.

<newz2000> (or even better) hmm...

<mdke> newz2000: sms'ed

<Admiral_Chicago> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edgy/

<Admiral_Chicago> thats the link to the RC page

<newz2000> oh. no php-mysql support. I guess that's necessary.

<mdke> did you tell elmo about the php part? ;)

<newz2000> mdke: it works

<newz2000> yes, I told him.

<mdke> heh

<newz2000> He has the dmz for that

<newz2000> ok, I've got the board working.

<mdke> I think he insists on php stuff going outside the dmz

<Burgwork> newz2000: we at the marketing team forgot to create a page...

<mdke> like the fridge machine

<newz2000> Burgwork: what's up?

<newz2000> mitsuhiko: we're ready for a dns change, how do you want it?

<Burgwork> newz2000: during the dapper cycle and the early edgy cycle we did those preview pages

<Burgwork> I completely forgot and am insanelyl busy

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: sec

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: which domain?

<newz2000> forum.ubunti-it.org

<newz2000> --> 69.60.114.108

<mitsuhiko> 69.60.114.112 at

<mitsuhiko> is that correct?

<mitsuhiko> s/at/atm/

<newz2000> yes

<newz2000> Burgwork: which preview pages are you talking about?

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: the others are left untouched?

<Burgwork> newz2000: the ubuntu.com/testing/blah ones

<newz2000> for the moment

<newz2000> oh, let me peek. I upated /testing

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: should i reload the bind now?

<newz2000> yes

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: done

<newz2000> mdke: do you want to put the blocking page in place on the forum on zambezi?

<mdke> ok

<newz2000> your index page that says the forum is down

<mitsuhiko> oki. changes don

<mitsuhiko> +e

<mdke> done

<newz2000> wow, I"ve already got the new dns settings.

<mitsuhiko> if i'm not wrong the caching time is set to 1200sec

<newz2000> ok, so people will be tricking over to the new server then.

<mdke> so should zambesi start responding gradually?

<newz2000> yes, hopefully.

<newz2000> Should we move more over?

<newz2000> I wonder if we shoud consider proxying the wiki. We do that on www.u.c and it supposedly helps a lot.

<mdke> the wiki will be tough, because we'll have to install Moin 1.5 on hudson

<mdke> ah

<newz2000> installing moin is no problem by the way.

<newz2000> I've got debs.

<mdke> I was thinking more of apache stuff or whatever

<mdke> the forum isn't loading for me :/

<newz2000> what's it doing?

<mdke> not much

<newz2000> ping forum.ubuntu-it.org, what IP does it show?

<mdke> the new one

<mdke> 108

<mdke> ah, it's loading now

<newz2000> yeah, I can tell people are hitting it. It's moving fast enough, but not quite as snappy as when I was alone there.

<newz2000> ah. Your ram usage is going up too.

<newz2000> mdke: You've got maxchildren set to 80, but I don't think you can handle that much.

<newz2000> I'm setting you to 50 and we'll see what happens.

<mdke> ok. I seem to remember the forum gets about 200 users online on average

<mdke> is that going to work?

<newz2000> yes. Unless all 200 hit the refresh button at precisely the same time, you're ok.

<mdke> ok, fingers crossed

<mdke> any idea of time frame for elmo-love?

<newz2000> If it takes .25s to serve a request, you can handle 200 req/sec with 50 children.

<newz2000> and it usually takes less than .25s to serve a request.

<newz2000> mdke: no, I talked to him moments before he left for the day. He'll probably research it tomorrow, but don't expect a solution that quick.

<newz2000> I'm going to reboot zambezi

<mdke> newz2000: fine. thanks

<newz2000> mitsuhiko: how much longer before you head to bed? (or are you there already)

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: i'm still here

* mitsuhiko is setting up a webpage for a project i'm working on

<newz2000> ok. I'm going to try and move wiki.ubuntu-it.org.

<mitsuhiko> and listening to the orchestra version of led zeppelin - kashmir

<zed> hi all

<zed> ping MehdiHassanpour ?

<MehdiHassanpour> hi zed

<zed> you're still having chmod problems ? :]

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: how long will it take you too finish that?

<newz2000> less than 5 min I believe

<newz2000> mitsuhiko: go ahead and go to bed. I'll e-mail smurf the details as things are working well enough now.

<newz2000> thanks a lot for your help

<Mizar> newz2000: have you move the forum.ubuntu-it ?

<mitsuhiko> newz2000: okay. i'm off then

<newz2000> Mizar: yep, it's done.

<mitsuhiko> wish you a good night

<newz2000> mitsuhiko: and you!

<Mizar> it's ok now ?

<newz2000> yeah, things are moving much better I'd say.

<Mizar> newz2000: who have put install.php in the home ?

<newz2000> I did, it can be deleted now

<newz2000> it's not enabled though, some of the files it needs are gone.

<Mizar> How did you move the forum ?

<newz2000> scp

<Mizar> ok

<newz2000> the paths are slightly diff. I modified Settings.php

<Mizar> The access is the same for me ?

<newz2000> However, I think some of the settings in the db still point to the old path.

<newz2000> Yeah, I didn't change your stuff at all.

<Mizar> Ok ... last question :)

<Mizar> Can I put it online or you need to test somethings before ?

<newz2000> it's done. :)

<newz2000> It's online and active.

<Mizar> Ok .. thanks for your work ...

<newz2000> my pleasure.

<newz2000> mdke: both servers seem to be moving at an acceptable speed, so I'm inclined to leave things as they are.

<Mizar> newz2000: my ssh access on hudson is the same of that on zambezi ?

<newz2000> your ssh access on hudson is the one we setup lastnight... benjamin I think.

<Mizar> ok

<mdke> hi Mizar

<mdke> sorry for disturbing you

<mdke> newz2000: http://doc.ubuntu.com

<newz2000> hmm... that's probably not what you were hoping for, eh?

<mdke> :)

<mdke> thanks jenda for pointing that out

<jenda> np

<newz2000> mdke: "nothing to see here" ???

<mdke> newz2000: well, I'd rather have the website back

<Mizar> hi matt

<mdke> and jenda would probably like his back on doc.u.c/~marketing

<newz2000> what is the website supposed to be?

<mdke> newz2000: the docteam website

<mdke> also public_htmls

<newz2000> ok, let me see what's going on.

<mdke> it should be at /etc/apache2/sites-available/doc.ubuntu.com

<jenda> mdke: check :)

<newz2000> mdke: what do you get when you visit http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/

<mdke> newz2000: a forum without css

<newz2000> I"m getting:

<newz2000> Stiamo effettuando il trasferimento sul nuovo server.

<newz2000> Ci scusiamo per il disagio, speriamo di tornare online il prima possibile ....

<newz2000> Grazie !!

<mdke> newz2000: that's the index.stop.php I put up on zambesi

<Mizar> I NOT FOUND

<Mizar> I see a page not found.

<mdke> we all get different stuff, cool

<Mizar> And I have the new ip in /etc/hosts

<mdke> the ip is working right here

<newz2000> crud

<Mizar> Now .... i see ... noting to see as the doc.ubuntu.com

<mdke> presumably the css isn't working because hudson doesn't see the right ip

<newz2000> ok, forum is back?

<Mizar> YEs

<newz2000> (I see forum and css)

<newz2000> ok, let's do this one at a time.

<Mizar> Now it's ok.

<mdke> hudson resolves forum.ubuntu-it.org to zambesi, that's why the css isn't working, I think

<newz2000> well, I've noticed that, but that shouldn't cause a problem.

<mdke> ah, worky

<mdke> doc.u.c is still broken though

<newz2000> right. Working on that now.

<mdke> :)

<mdke> thanks for all of this newz2000. We must be driving you barmy

<newz2000> well, I'm about barmy (???) but it's not your fault.

<newz2000> The fact is, most of my experience in doing this is in a redhat environment,

<newz2000> which you wouldn't think would be that different, but remarkably is quite different.

<mdke> Ubuntu/Debian do some quite different things with default apache config, I think

<newz2000> yeah, you can say that again.

<newz2000> I thnk you'll see an anouncement soon indicating that I'm going to let elmo et al be the sys admins and I'll stick to the webstuff.

<mdke> I was surprised you got lumped with that gig in the first place, tbh

<mdke> don't you have 4 sysadmins now?

<newz2000> si

<mdke> plenty

<mdke> I remember the days with just one

<newz2000> do you get anything at doc.ubuntu.com?

<mdke> newz2000: yeah, I get the right thing now

<newz2000> even ~marketing?

<jenda> newz2000: the main site is up, but not the public_html s

<jenda> nope, not that.

<mdke> no, not marketing

<newz2000> ok, let me see

<mdke> my public_html is working

<mdke> and always was

<newz2000> is the forum still working? My computer is giving me fits

<mdke> forum - check

<jenda> (what forum?)

<newz2000> forum.ubuntu-it.org

<Mizar> Forum is ok.

<mdke> I need to go to bed

<newz2000> g'night mdke

<mdke> or rather, close my eyes and put the computer on the floor

<mdke> good night

<mdke> thanks

<Mizar> night matt

<newz2000> jenda: where did your ~marketing point to?

<jenda> newz2000: /home/marketing/public_html

<newz2000> jenda, that folder doesn't exist

<jenda> uh?

<jenda> umm...

<jenda> ok... lemme create it then :)

<jenda> it's a mirror of the bzr branch

<newz2000> was it an alias?

<jenda> or, newz2000, could you please run /home/marketing/cronjob

<jenda> ?

<newz2000> as which user?

<newz2000> ok, running it as marketing

<newz2000> brb

<newz2000> jenda: that cronjob has errors

<newz2000> ERROR: exceptions.UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u010d' in position 87

<newz2000> Once you get that resolved, your ~marketing url will work.

<jenda> uhmm...

<jenda> ok...

<jenda> mdke: ping

* jenda cries on mdke's shoulder

<newz2000> it's an error with bzr

<jenda> ah i see

<newz2000> Here's the full message:

<jenda> pastebin?

<newz2000> sure, just a sec

<newz2000> http://rafb.net/paste/results/m7zwIP52.html

<jenda> hmm

<jenda> i don't understand that at all.

<newz2000> yeah, me either

<jenda> I'll try to push bzr. It might help :)

<jenda> newz2000: can you try now?

<newz2000> sure

<jenda> don't :)

<newz2000> jenda: nope.

<newz2000> bzr: ERROR: Lock was broken while still open: LockDir(/home/marketing/public_html/.bzr/repository/lock) - check storage consistency!

<jenda> ok...

<jenda> It might be because I started fetching too :)

<jenda> sorry bout that

<newz2000> do you want me to resume?

<jenda> nah

<jenda> it's running on my side so far...

<newz2000> ok

<newz2000> I'm going to go eat diner soon. Ping me if you need something and I'll respond after a bit.

<jenda> sure, thx

<jenda> newz2000: it works

<newz2000> great

<jenda> thx for all ;)

<Burgwork> Seveas: ping

<Seveas> Burgwork, pong

<Burgwork> Seveas: two requests

<Burgwork> can you redirect -toronto to -ca

<Burgwork> and can you redirect -ldap to -directory

<Seveas> -ldap has users

<Seveas> did you notify them of the move?

<Burgwork> Seveas: yes, we discussed it last night

<Burgwork> the channel was only created last night

<Seveas> ok

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