<patientfox> but i know it works.. i can get real alpha blending of windows and all that
<patientfox> unless thats something else seperately
<JKnife> no it is
<maxamillion> compositing is not default
<JKnife> maxamillion: yes it is =)
<maxamillion> i can't get it to run at home or at work, but using stable nvidia drivers ... both amd64 machines with over a gig of ram and one with geforce 6200, the other with geforce 7900gt oc
<maxamillion> so, no it isn't
<maxamillion> because i think it would be enabled
<JKnife> it was on by default here
<maxamillion> you running x86?
<JKnife> yep
<patientfox> yeah compositing is enabled by default in edgy.. it worked out of the box for me
<maxamillion> there you go
<maxamillion> you are both on x86
<JKnife> stupid 64bit
<JKnife> makes me wanna go with a p4
<maxamillion> AMD64 doesn't even have a boot splash in edgy yet
<maxamillion> don't buy a p4 ... don't get me started on that waste of silicon
<JKnife> really? omg you are missing out
<maxamillion> yeah, i've seen the artwork on the wiki pages
<maxamillion> i gotta go, i got off work 5 minutes ago
<maxamillion> ttyl
<JKnife> maxamillion: i am a amd person... but i have seen to many people with problems with the 64bit proc in linux
<JKnife> -_-
<patientfox> i think ill go w/ core duo 2 for my next setup
<patientfox> i got my eye on a dell laptop
<JKnife> i would go with that but i aint got a grand for just the cpu
<patientfox> a pretty tricked out config like 1-1.2K
<JKnife> i am gonna only have 600$
<patientfox> dells are wicked cheap and pretty nice
<JKnife> and i picked out the set i want
<patientfox> well you could build a very decent desktop for that price
<JKnife> 1gb ram, 64bit (may change), and a geforece 7600
<JKnife> geforce*
<JKnife> with a 400watt PSU and a new mobo
<JKnife> price was right under 600$
<patientfox> building from parts?
<JKnife> yeah
<JKnife> tigetdirect
<JKnife> tigerdirect*
<patientfox> pricewatch is your friend
<JKnife> i like newegg and tigerdirect... if goggle didnt supprt censorship i would use froogle
<JKnife> omg.. my ex gf after dumping her bf has been iming a lot
<ron_o> where would a sound file be located in xubuntu. A sound configuration?
<ron_o> too bad I didn't write this stuff down. :)
<ron_o> rather :-/
<JKnife> i dont have a sound card.. sorry
<JKnife> haha.. this is funny
<JKnife> reg price 80$.. ther price 72$ and 8$ s&h
<JKnife> 2 geforce 7300 vid cards and case.. so far 212$
<phanki> ron_o: sound files for apps, then usually in /usr/share/sounds
<ron_o> phanki, no sound configuration files.
<ron_o> I need them. I'm erasing my old xubuntu partition and repartitioning then reinstalling.
<ron_o> I don't want to go thru what I went thru last time.
<patientfox> whats the name of the add/remove software app from regular ubuntu?
<ron_o> synaptic?
<phanki> ron_o: i have two cards and configured them in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
<ron_o> that's it. Thanks! phanki
<ron_o> I need that information before I delete everything.
<JKnife> used the default partation scheme?
<patientfox> no synaptic id the full package manager
<patientfox> i want the watered down ubuntu app
<JKnife> try searching for it
<ron_o> apt-get remove
<ron_o> aptitude
<patientfox> there it is
* phanki @ Screaming Headless Torsos - Blue In Green - 1995 (5:15 min 128 kbps)
<dasgoat> hello?
* JKnife hides
<dasgoat> hmmmm
<dasgoat> can some one answer a basic question for me?
<JKnife> yes AIGLX is cool
<JKnife> ohh sorry
<dasgoat> well, I am sure you are right, if i knew what you were talking about
<JKnife> what is your question?
<patientfox> adept
<patientfox> no, not that either
<JKnife> dasgoat: just now looking into Linux?
<dasgoat> what is the difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu?
<patientfox> damn i cant get a break
<JKnife> dasgoat: Xubuntu uses XFCE and Ubuntu uses gnome
<JKnife> patientfox: adept is the kde version
<JKnife> dasgoat: that is the simple anwser
<dasgoat> and that is the Graphical User interface, right?
<JKnife> yes
<JKnife> they both use gdm as the login manager
<dasgoat> gdm? I am a refugee
<JKnife> ?
<JKnife> gnome display manager... what you login with
<phanki> *g*
<patientfox> im trying to find that the name of the default ubuntu "add/remove programs" application
<patientfox> the one thats all simplified, as opposed to synaptic
<dasgoat> ah. OK, I thought of it as the whole package.
<JKnife> ohh no
<dasgoat> it is not?
<dasgoat> it is just the log in?
<JKnife> gdm is just the login... XFCE is the UI
<dasgoat> you are loosing me. there is a seperate acronim for the log in manager?
<dasgoat> UI, User Interface?
<JKnife> yes.. UI = User interface
<JKnife> GDM = gnome dispalay manager which is a login manager
<dasgoat> ok, i am getting it. so many letters to learn
<dasgoat> so, is there a screen shot or something that I can look at for the XFCE UI?
<JKnife> =) yep
<JKnife> http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7416/newssgr6.jpg
<dasgoat> could you give me the URL to look at?
<JKnife> nope
<dasgoat> oh
<dasgoat> I guess I can Google it
<JKnife> i posted it
<JKnife> http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7416/newssgr6.jpg
<dasgoat> Wow! It comes with the Elf?!?!
<JKnife> omg
<JKnife> no i had to get that theme myself
<dasgoat> hehehe, I tell you, I am old and slightly better than a noob
<JKnife> your the first to know what theme that is
<dasgoat> well, at least I understand wet dreams
<Daveydweeb> I go away for one second (... or eight hours, whatever), and what do I find? Wet dreams. :O
<Daveydweeb> This must be my kind of channel. >_>
<JKnife> haha
<phanki> rotfl
<dasgoat> So, if I understand you, Xubuntu is like a hyped up GUI?
<Daveydweeb> Wouldn't that be better as, "XFCE is like a hyped up GUI"?
<crimsun> (it's Xfce, not XFCE)
<Daveydweeb> (Oh.)
<JKnife> haha
<JKnife> no <hint></hint> tags?
<dasgoat> yes, I stand corrected, it is XFCE is a hyped up GUI
<JKnife> Xfce*
<Daveydweeb> Hah. :P
<JKnife> or xfce if you are naming pkgs
<dasgoat> you are loosing me
<JKnife> dont worry
<Daveydweeb> Hmm. Still an hour to go on my xubuntu download. Grr. Angry face.
<Daveydweeb> I have a question, though.
<JKnife> .\_/.
<Daveydweeb> o.O
<dasgoat> ok, another basic question: Is Xubuntu a 64 bit distro or just a 32 bit distro (and should i care?)
<phanki> dasgoat: that's the freedom linux gives you, you can style your desktop as you want it to be
<JKnife> dasgoat: it is ... BOTH!
<crimsun> dasgoat: there are both 32-bit and 64-bit versions.
<JKnife> hi crimsun
<dasgoat> thankyou everyone. I just learned to whisper, so I pardon me if I don't whisper you all back individually
<phanki> np
<JKnife> np.. just dont pm me ok?
<Daveydweeb> Hmm. I'm having quite a hard time getting xubuntu to boot and install on my aging iMac.
<dasgoat> are drivers and fixes the same for Xuduntu and Ubuntu the same fixes? for does the compiliing of the code mean that you have have to have , er, different compilations?
<JKnife> dasgoat: it uses the same repo and same base pkgs
<JKnife> only different is the desktop manager
<JKnife> and some included software
<Daveydweeb> Last night I discovered that it had nowhere near enough RAM to use the Live CD (it only had 64MB installed), so I bumped that up to a total of 384MB to see if that was the problem. And it still refuses to finish the boot process. :(
<dasgoat> ok, so if i understand how to get something in Ubuntu, then I should be able to get it in Xbuntu?
<crimsun> Daveydweeb: you can use the alternate (text-based) installer.
<crimsun> Daveydweeb: yes.
<crimsun> dasgoat: yes, rather.
<Daveydweeb> crimsun: I'm downloading it now, but I'm wondering if it might be possible to get the Live one to work. I think the problem may be something to do with my X config (or something along those lines, pardon my extreme ignorance) since it throws an error when I attempt "live video=ofonly".
<dasgoat> ok, now on to my next question: Has anyone ever gotten Crossover Office and Quicken 2006 to work properly?
<dasgoat> in 64 Bit
* JKnife wont use that
<JKnife> sorry..
<dasgoat> wont use what?
<JKnife> Daveydweeb: does it through you to a console?
<JKnife> Crossover
<dasgoat> oh. i know it is a short cut. Is there anyone who has gotten WINe and Quicken 2006 working?
<Daveydweeb> JKnife: When I use the default option, no, it just drops to a black screen with a flashing underscore, which then drops to plain black screen. When I use the video=ofonly option it drops me to a console, but I'm restarting now to get the exact error message.
<JKnife> k
<JKnife> no BSOD?
<dasgoat> I have a specific goal in mind. I have to move my little company over to Linux, and i have to make our apps work.
<Daveydweeb> No, although the screen does look quite funky. It tries to give a normal openfirmware warning box like the text-based installer's GUI, but many of the characters are displayed incorrectly and individual elements shift by a few pixels as I tab through them.
<Daveydweeb> (I can provide a photo, if you need it. It hasn't reached that part of the boot process, yet)
<phanki> dasgoat: there is an app that can import quicken-files, don't remember the name, u should try it by yourself
<JKnife> it is a Xorg error
<JKnife> that is GDMs BSOD
<Daveydweeb> Aah, okay.
<phanki> dasgoat: instead of crossover u may use openoffice
<Daveydweeb> Theeeere we go, it just threw the error.
<Daveydweeb> Want the full message?
<JKnife> Daveydweeb: that happens to me because i have a enabled onboard card and a PCI card and it load the driver for the onboard to use with the PCI one
<Daveydweeb> Aaaah
<JKnife> just the [EE] lines
<Daveydweeb> [EE]?
<Daveydweeb> <---ignorant.
<JKnife> click on show error
<JKnife> (use arrow keys)
<JKnife> then scroll down
<Daveydweeb> Sure.
<dasgoat> You know a benifit to IRC? everyone here seems to know English. they know ignorant doesn't mean stupid, just "unknowing"
<JKnife> dasgoat: english is the language of the internet
<Daveydweeb> The original box tells me, "Failed to start X server (your graphical user interface)", etc, then offers to show me the X server output. Clicking yes, I get a fair amount of information, none of which seems to be very specific. Do you need that information, or should I proceed?
<JKnife> [EE] lines
<JKnife> scroll down using the down arrow
<JKnife> well first do you have an onboard card and a pci/agp card?
<Daveydweeb> Gah, this will have to wait a few minutes, my dad's home. Back in a tick. (Sorry!)
<JKnife> k
<Daveydweeb> It's an onboard ATI Rage, but I can be more specific in a minute.
<dasgoat> so, let me ask something. Other than being pretty, what benifit is ther to Xubuntu over Ubuntu?
<JKnife> lighter.. as in hardly any bloat
<JKnife> nicer community... (try joining #ubuntu)
<Daveydweeb> JKnife: Okay, I'm back. Did you need any more information about the hardware?
<dasgoat> hmmm, I didn't know Ubuntu was bloted
<JKnife> Daveydweeb: do you have 2 video cards?
<JKnife> dasgoat: gnome is bloated
<Daveydweeb> No, it's an iMac: no AGP or PCI slots, so video is only the integrated Rage chip.
<JKnife> ohh..
<dasgoat> what kind of bloat are we talking about?
<JKnife> dasgoat: usefull features.. excess of usefull features.. just unneeded crap
<Daveydweeb> The (EE) lines read: "(EE) end of block range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf0000000", then "(EE) R128(0): mmap mmio: Invalid argument"
<dasgoat> hmmmmm
<dasgoat> ok. I am for less bloat
<JKnife> Daveydweeb: whoo... umm no clue...
<dasgoat> all of the applications work the same?
<Daveydweeb> JKnife: Yeah, me neither. :(
<JKnife> dasgoat: yes and no.. it is like upgrading from Windows 98 to Xp...
<JKnife> somethings will take getting used to
<dasgoat> hmmm, ok I understand that analogy
<Daveydweeb> JKnife: alternate-powerpc will be downloaded in about half an hour, I'll ask back if that doesn't work either.
<JKnife> k
<Daveydweeb> Thanks for your help. :)
<dasgoat> will some WINE implementation care if you are on Xbuntu or Ubuntu?
<JKnife> dasgoat: no.. it is the asme program on the same ubuntu backbone
<dasgoat> I C
<dasgoat> ok, then I suppose I should find a x386 distro of Xubuntu and load it on my poor old P1-700 HP and see if I can get it to work for the company
<JKnife> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-386 - Debian testing/unstable] up[ 2 days, 8 hours, 20 minutes] cpu[AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor, 334.120 MHz (669.3 bogomips)] mem[ 244.11/250.15 MB (97.6%)] video[ at 1024x768 (32 bits)]
<JKnife> 700mHz will be super fast on Xubuntu
<dasgoat> Saved
<dasgoat> i do understand a thing or two
<Daveydweeb> For what it's worth, 1.33Ghz is *extremely* fast in Xubuntu.
<dasgoat> do I have the same capabilities of downloading packages that Synaptics gives me?
<Daveydweeb> JKnife: Hmm.. is there some way to check my X Server settings from the command-line, to make sure they aren't causing a problem?
* Daveydweeb is still thinking
<JKnife> press alt+f1 to get to a login promt
<JKnife> or what ever it is on a mac
<JKnife> login as ubuntu (no password)
<JKnife> and do sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
<Daveydweeb> Thank you. :)
<dasgoat> One last question. I need to replace my WIN server with a good Linux Distro. Any suggestions?
<JKnife> umm no *nix knowledge..
<JKnife> Xubuntu with apache
<JKnife> wair
<JKnife> you have *nix knowledge..
<JKnife> try openbsd
<dasgoat> is that a package I can D/L, or is that cobbled together?
<JKnife> it is its own little thing
<Daveydweeb> JKnife: It's set (correctly) to use the ati driver, and identifies the chip correctly as a Rage 128 RL/VR AGP. Is there a "generic" or software driver I could use, instead?
<JKnife> www.OpenBSD.org
<JKnife> Daveydweeb: vesa i think
<Daveydweeb> So, set driver to "vesa"?
<JKnife> yes
<JKnife> then do :wq
<JKnife> then killall gdm && gdm
<Daveydweeb> Excellent. Do I need to change the Identifier, or is that not a problem?
<JKnife> well
<JKnife> no leave it
<Daveydweeb> Okay, cool.
<JKnife> do :wq
<JKnife> then do `sudo killall gdm && sudo gdm`
<Daveydweeb> Cool, thanks very much :)
<IsleVegan> maxamil* thanks for responding to my question
<dasgoat> ok, I have all of you guys (and gals) saved. Thank you for your support. i will get back to you with my results
<Daveydweeb> JKnife: Hmm.. I never use vi. How do I edit the text of the file? (Sorry ^^; )
<Daveydweeb> Wait, nm
<Daveydweeb> Silly me. :)
<JKnife> i
<JKnife> then press esc when you want to save
<Daveydweeb> Yah, done, and I restarted to get a similar problem.
<JKnife> =/
<Daveydweeb> It gave me the same "X server is now disabled" message three or four times, in quick succession, then dropped me to the same error output as before. Now, the EE line simply reads "No devices detected", so I guess I screwed it up.
<Daveydweeb> I've reverted to the original version.
<Daveydweeb> Should I run Xorg -configure?
<JKnife> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server (or is it xserver-xorg)?
<Daveydweeb> the latter :)
<Daveydweeb> After reconfiguring it and killing gdm, I get the original error again.
<Daveydweeb> I'll try again with the vesa driver
<Daveydweeb> And with vesa, I get "No devices detected" again.
<Daveydweeb> Would the vga driver be any different?
<Daveydweeb> Bah.
<Daveydweeb> On the plus side, only three minutes left on the download.
<Daveydweeb> Hmm. Still around JKnife, I had me an idea from looking at the server output.
<Daveydweeb> ?
<JKnife> yeah... went out for a smoke
<Daveydweeb> Aaah, fair enough.
<JKnife> i dont know what to tell ya
<Daveydweeb> I realised that I should have provided the (WW) line, since reading it gave me an idea of what the problem might be.
<JKnife> what does it say?
<Daveydweeb> (WW) ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting^G
<JKnife> sounds like your hardware is going bad... have you checked for bug reports?
<Daveydweeb> Then, the error lines say that it's given an invalid block range, of 0xf0000000 to 0xefffffff, which I think might mean that it can't detect how much memory it has available.
<Daveydweeb> Where would I do that?
<Daveydweeb> I wouldn't be surprised if the hardware is dying, though. This is a very old machine.
<JKnife> launchpad.net ..maybe .org or .com
<JKnife> =)
<Daveydweeb> Hmm. Could it help to prevent the GPU from using VRAM, and use main memory instead? Is that even possible?
<Daveydweeb> Eh, who cares? :P
<Daveydweeb> Thanks, I'll check them now.
<Daveydweeb> *that
<JKnife> launchpad.net
<Daveydweeb> cheers
<Daveydweeb> Woo, alternate is done. Let's see if it works any better.
<JKnife> all alternate is, is a CLI based install...
<JKnife> if it is hardware you will have problems on first boot
<Daveydweeb> Bah. :(
<Daveydweeb> Maybe it's time to buy a new computer. :(
<JKnife> how old is it?
<Daveydweeb> Seven years, or so.
<Daveydweeb> Ah, well. At least xubuntu works flawlessly on my iBook - I just need to find the time to install it on that, instead.
<JKnife> mine is from 98.. granted i have replaced the Hard Drive, Video Card, and heat sink
<Daveydweeb> No such freedom with this machine, sadly. The only replaceable part is the RAM.
<JKnife> =/
<Daveydweeb> Ah, well. We got this machine, and five others like it, for free. It's no loss. :)
<Daveydweeb> Ah, well. Thanks for everything, you've been really helpful. :)
<JKnife> np
<JKnife> no one would have a working newegg promo code? (one that is not on select items)
<Daveydweeb> Well, this seems to be a good start. The open firmware interface doesn't screw up like on the live CD. Hmm.
<Daveydweeb> Not here, sorry.
<JKnife> k
<ricanelite> Hello, I have a problem when I try to install Java on Adept Manager i get this where it is Requested i get in red text Break (install), now I'm a newbie so im completely lost and confuse, Can someone please help me!
<JKnife> adept is for kubuntu
<Daveydweeb> Rightio, I'm restarting. bbl
<Gregg_ssfd> Hello all. I am having trouble installing from Cd on an older dell latitude cp laptop. It boots the disk, loads past options, stops when detecting cd-rom. On knoppix I use 'atapicd' in the boot option, doesn't seem to work with xubuntu 6 alternate. Any ideas would be welcomed.
<JKnife> dapper or edgy?
<JKnife> 6.06 or 6.10?
<Gregg_ssfd> 6.06 Dapper I think?
<JKnife> uhmm..
<JKnife> and nothing in the wiki or advance settings on the boot menu?
<Daveydweeb> Hello again
<Gregg_ssfd> just advice for noapic nolapic and vga=771
<Gregg_ssfd> no luck with those yet :(
<JKnife> uhmm
<JKnife> it doesn't let you add your own options?
<JKnife> or it did but didn't work?
<Gregg_ssfd> those are the options I got from the help F1, also tried adding 'atapicd' still no luck
<JKnife> =/
<JKnife> brb
<Gregg_ssfd> ok
<JKnife> and you tried searching the wiki?
<Gregg_ssfd> most points to using network boot or floppies, not an option for me right now.
<JKnife> PuMpErNiCkLe: what do you know about atapicd and Dapper?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> JKnife: A bit. What do you need to know?
<JKnife> Gregg_ssfd: is trying to do a cd install and it is locking up on him at probing the cd
<Gregg_ssfd> I've tried to find a list of boot options - are they the same as knoppix?
<JKnife> prob not
<Gregg_ssfd> hmm.. the search continues ;)
<PuMpErNiCkLe> When you boot, what are the last few messages?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> (This will be especially helpful if you've disabled the 'splash' and 'quiet' options.)
<Gregg_ssfd> detect and mount the cd rom, blue screen with white bar at bottom of screen, cyles for hour +, then says cannot find cdrom
<PuMpErNiCkLe> hm
<Daveydweeb> Wow. Somebody really doesn't want me to install Xubuntu - the alternate CD failed the checksum when I downloaded it, but booted and (mostly) installed just fine. It only failed at the last moment. :(
* Daveydweeb is very unlucky
<ricanelite> can anyone help me out please!! i need some help with installing Java on Adept Manager, I'm getting something saying under Requested right under that in red text says BREAK (install) please help me!
<Daveydweeb> ricanelite: If you're running Xubuntu, you probably shouldn't be using Adept. Adept is for another Ubuntu variant, Kubuntu.
<ricanelite> how can i check
<ricanelite> which one i need to use?
<Daveydweeb> Under Xubuntu, I don't know what the correct application is. But since you're able to run Adept, I think you might be better off asking for help in the #Kubuntu channel.
<ricanelite> Synaptic Package Manager?
<Daveydweeb> Possibly. Try it out, and see what happens.
<ricanelite> because on Synaptic Package Manager I get this error message "The following packages have unresolvable dependencies."
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Synaptic, apt, or aptitude.
<ricanelite> on Synaptic
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Unresolvable dependencies are usually due to a) mixed repositories or b) missing repositories.
<ricanelite> is that bad?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> You should enable all the official repos, and try to avoid non-official ones.
<ricanelite> please forgive me, Im so new to Ubuntu Linux
<ricanelite> how can i do that?
<ricanelite> i just started running Ubuntu Linux today
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Ok, in synaptic, go to settings -> repositories.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> You should see a list.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> There are checkboxes beside each list item.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Mark all of those, close that window, and hit 'reload' on the main window's top bar.
<phanki> gn8
<ricanelite> i dont know, it still does not work
<ricanelite> and im getting all of these problems were found on your system
<PuMpErNiCkLe> What package are you trying to install? What's the exact error?
<ricanelite> java5
<ricanelite> W: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F120156012B83718
<JKnife> -_- stupid network card
<ricanelite> all i know is someone help me and open up a source.list file and told me to put in i guess his sources but he told me to make a back-up
<ricanelite> all i know is that it open up a file called sources.list
<ricanelite> and i copy and paste his source.list but also i made a copy of mines be fore i paste his
<Gregg_ssfd> JKnife and Pumpernickle - thanks for lending an ear. 'bye
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Gregg_ssfd: peace, and g'luck
<PuMpErNiCkLe> ricanelite: You've added a non-official repository, and not added the corresponding gpg key.
<JKnife> he never got it?
<ricanelite> okay, how can i do that?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd either remove that line from /etc/apt/sources.list, or get the gpg key from freecontrib.org.
<ricanelite> also this is what he told me to do "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup"
<ron_o> find the key and add it.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> I recommend teh first option.
<ricanelite> and he said it made a back-up
<PuMpErNiCkLe> s/teh/the/
<ricanelite> where do i find the key
<ron_o> the keys are really necessary to a safe d/l.
<ron_o> arghhh....
<ron_o> slackware has no keys, that I'm aware of.
<JKnife> -_- w32codecs are missing in edgy
<ron_o> JKnife, they were never there in the first place. :)
<ricanelite> so after we backup my sources.list file he told me to do this "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
<JKnife> well how am i supposed to watch wmv files?
<ron_o> d/l the codecs.
<JKnife> gstreamer0.10-pitfdll?
<ricanelite> so is there a way can i put back my copy of source.list file back?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> ricanelite: Sure, replace /etc/apt/sources.list with /etc/apt/sources.list/backup.
<ricanelite> where so i type that?
<ricanelite> in terminal?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> .list.backup
<JKnife> ricanelite: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.backup /etc/apt/sources.list
<PuMpErNiCkLe> ricanelite: Yeah.
<ricanelite> okay it ask me for PW and i enter it in and it sent me back to ricanelite@ubuntu:~$ is it did it?
<JKnife> yes
<ricanelite> nice!! finally i did somethig without a error
<JKnife> now run `sudo apt-get update`
<ricanelite> okay done
<ricanelite> anything else?
<JKnife> go back to what you were doing before you came and needed help
<ricanelite> well i came in here, because i need help installing Java
<PuMpErNiCkLe> !java
<ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
<jordoex> does dapper install automatically reformat the primary HD?
<jordoex> (aleternate install)
<JKnife> only if you tell it to
<jordoex> and what's the difference between text install and oem install?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> In text install, you configure your system as you're installing.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> In oem mode, pretty much all configuration is handled next time you run the computer.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> e.g: user accounts
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Oem mode is really mainly for people who won't be using the computer they're installing it on.
<ricanelite> well this is where im having a hard time doing
<ricanelite> on the site
<ricanelite> im trying to follow it but i cannot
<jordoex> I tried text install, but the screen just went blank and nothing happened
<terranetnyc> anyone know where i can get instructions for creating a boot floppy to install xubuntu in the event that one cannot boot from a cd?
<terranetnyc> of xubuntu
<PuMpErNiCkLe> !netboot
<ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
<PuMpErNiCkLe> The first link is the one you want, I think.
<terranetnyc> thank you
<PuMpErNiCkLe> np
<JKnife> man my oc is so slow i cant watch porn at a decent speed
<PuMpErNiCkLe> That's a horrible fate.
<JKnife> very
<JKnife> hehe i just found out how to scroll the nick list
<JKnife> now time to bind it
<Daveydweeb> Dude, slow-motion porn is the best kind.
<JKnife> Daveydweeb: it doesnt move -_-
<Daveydweeb> Better yet, slow-motion *and in reverse*.
<Daveydweeb> Ah.
<Daveydweeb> Well, for many years, man has made do with still images...
<Daveydweeb> It's, uh, old-skool.
<JKnife> haha
<Daveydweeb> What codec are you using, out of interest?
<JKnife> w32codec.. it is a wmv file
<Daveydweeb> H.264/AVC used to make my 500Mhz G3 weep bitter, bitter tears.
<Daveydweeb> Aah, rightio.
<JKnife> but not for much longer... when i get that check... AMD 64 +4200 duel core 1gb ram and a geforce 7600
<JKnife> soon!!
<Daveydweeb> It's always "soon", isn't it? I've been saving up for a lovely new computer for the last two years, and I'm still broke. :P
<JKnife> -_- i am getting a 600$ check.. was mailed hopefully today.. man i love grants
<Daveydweeb> Ooooh. So it's actually going to happen, then? Awesome.
<Daveydweeb> I worked for my high school until recently. They were over a month late to pay me last time, and two weeks after my most recent paycheque was due, they still haven't even given me a timesheet. Bastards.
<Daveydweeb> So, no laptop for me.
<JKnife> hehe
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<JKnife> brb
<JKnife> uhmm
<JKnife> it is joining the channel to quickly
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<PuMpErNiCkLe> Wow.
<malnilion> Edgy is the bomb.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> It is.
<malnilion> Haha, NotJKnife :)
<malnilion> I wonder if that was a clone...
<JKnife> malnilion: i am trying to set up nickident.pl so it waits 2 secs before joining a channel
<JKnife> =)
<malnilion> Ah, I know your IP now :)
<JKnife> and?
<malnilion> Good point.
<JKnife> try connecting to it
<JKnife> no i am not joking...
<JKnife> preferbly port 8080
<JKnife> i am trying to set up a server
<JKnife> and i can not connect to it
<malnilion> Not getting anything, I'm afraid.
<JKnife> ok
<JKnife> stupid modem
<JKnife> it is the modem blocking it although i have the firewall disabled for that port.. it still isnt allowing outside connections
<malnilion> Wait a sec...what kind of server?
<JKnife> apache2
<malnilion> Ah, okay.
<JKnife> try port 80
<malnilion> Totally blocked.
<JKnife> ok
<malnilion> From what I can tell.
<malnilion> I mean, 8080 at least looked like it was trying to do something.
<JKnife> well it is supposed to goto my router which it supposed to redirect it to port 80 on my box...
<JKnife> maybe if i set it up to be port 8080 on everything
<JKnife> =?
<malnilion> Who knows :)
<malnilion> I could set up a server on my laptop, lol
<malnilion> It'd be the most unreliable piece of crap ever :)
<malnilion> You know, I've been checking for updates every few hours and there have been significant updates.
<malnilion> I'm quite impressed.
<JKnife> really?
<JKnife> dang
<malnilion> I mean, as far as I can tell anyway :)
<JKnife> ok port 8080 is set up on my box.. time to set it up in the router
<JKnife> there working hard for the release
<malnilion> Heck yeah.
<jdrake> When I click on a link in gaim, it opens links. Is there a way to get it to open firefox? Prefered Applications already lists firefox as default.
<JKnife> check the gaim options
<NotJKnife> man i ahte this modem
<NotJKnife> hate*
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<Daveydweeb|study> ffs. Can anyone provide some help with the text installer? I'm not getting an error that appears to be totally unrelated to my original one. >_<
<Daveydweeb|study> When installing the base system, it throws the error when validating zlib1g (always that one package), saying "Debootstrap warning, Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc"
<Daveydweeb|study> Any idea what I can do?
<Daveydweeb|study> This is the Edgy Beta
<Daveydweeb|study> I could really do with some help. :\
<Daveydweeb|study> Might be worth noting that this is the second time I've downloaded the alternate CD, and both of them gave the same MD5 hash - which was *not* the same as the one listed at the download page. The "check integrity" option in the installer notes that ".dists/edgy/main/binary-powerpc/Release" gives the wrong checksum, and says that the CD is corrupted - but this was the same both times I downloaded the ISO.
<Daveydweeb|study> Gah!
<JKnife> use a download manager or torrents
* JKnife disconnects from freenode
<Daveydweeb|study> Bah.
* Daveydweeb|study waits for JKnife to come back.
<Daveydweeb|study> Hmm. Anybody know why my downloaded ISOs all have the same, identical corruption? >.<
<case1976> how can anybody know that? :)
<romana> random quantum fluctuation of nothing?
<romana> did you reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?
<romana> try the sonic screwdriver?
<Daveydweeb|study> Damnit! :P
<Daveydweeb|study> I'm peeved about it, because they all give the same - incorrect - checksum, and all fail at the same stage of installationm.
<Daveydweeb|study> :(
<romana> try diff server?
<case1976> i have a question too: is there any difference between instaling edgy from the new iso and dist-upgrading from repositories?
<romana> the iso is a snapshot
<case1976> what does that mean ? :)
<case1976> is it better than distupgrading?
<romana> depends on what you mean better?
<romana> eitehr way, you get edgy
<romana> disupgrade gives you more current edgy
<romana> is all
<case1976> i see, btw i tried to run both gnome and xfce on edgy, and there are some conflicts obviously
<case1976> right click menu stopped to work in xfce, for example
* romana uses fvwm
<romana> sorry
<romana> i always dist upgrade then upgrade
<romana> catches loose ends
<Daveydweeb|study> romana: got any mirrors?
<romana> one sec
<romana> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyBetaAnnouncement
<Daveydweeb|study> thankies
<v3ctor> whats up with the untrusted edgy packages?
<raich> hhey how to play restricted media files with Xfmedia?
<raich> soneone knows?
<raich> ...please?
<TheSheep> !mp3
<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
<raich> ok thanks
<Daveydweeb|study> grr. angry face.
<Daveydweeb|study> Every ISO I download, for every Ubuntu variant and from any server, always returns an incorrect checksum, even when using different download methods. Very frustrating.
<TheSheep> Daveydweeb|study: try different mirror maybe?
<Daveydweeb|study> I've tried four.
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<Daveydweeb> :(
<v3ctor> i got all sorts of checksum errors form my .deb downloads today form the us mirrors
<Daveydweeb> What's more frustrating is the fact that they're *consistently* different. Downloading the same ISO multiple times returns the same checksum, both times.
<Daveydweeb> I've tried Italian and Asian ones, as well as an American mirror.
<Daveydweeb> :(
<v3ctor> i switched to a uk one after 5 attempts
<Daveydweeb> Fortunately, I have 4 GB of bandwidth left (which resets in two days), so the downloads aren't a problem - it's just such a waste of time.
<v3ctor> agreed
<raich> Daveydweeb, i just download xubuntu all night
<Daveydweeb> :'(
<raich> no problem
<Daveydweeb> raich: I've downloaded it five or six times today, and wasted 3 CD-Rs trying to get a working version.
<Daveydweeb> *sigh*
<raich> *sigh*
<Daveydweeb> I have no idea what the problem is. =(
<raich> i can lend you mine =)
<Daveydweeb> Hmm... got bandwidth to burn? I need the PowerPC version, too.
<Daveydweeb> Preferably the PowerPC alternate disk, since the Live CD doesn't play nicely with my machine. (Or rather, doesn't boot at all).
<raich> i got one of the most fast inet connections aorund here.... but don't have any powerpc, sry
<Daveydweeb> Aaah, s'ok. Thanks for the offer. :)
<raich> hmmm then i can't help you
<raich> sorry
<Daveydweeb> I would try bittorrent, but it refuses to connect - but I know it'd return an incorrect sum anyway. Bah.
<Daveydweeb> Oh, well. :(
<raich> nooo don't give up!
<Daveydweeb> Hmm.. maybe I should try rsync.
<v3ctor> i had to check mine..i jucst d'loaded the server iso a little while ago
<raich> i don't even know that's that, but why not?
<v3ctor> my md5sum is good
<Daveydweeb> I've been downloading it in Camino (a Mozilla fork for OS X) and iGetter (a download manager), but rsync might have a little more success since it's actually a *nix utility. It may be something to do with the way OS X handles downloaded files.
<Daveydweeb> Hmm.
<v3ctor> i used wget
<Daveydweeb> I don't have wget on this machine, and I'm too lazy to install it through fink.
<v3ctor> i could not live without wget
<Daveydweeb> Hmm. What command do you use to check the MD5 hash? I may have simply screwed that up.
<v3ctor> md5sum <file>.iso
<Daveydweeb> (I've been using "md5 -s [file])
<Daveydweeb> Hmm.
<Daveydweeb> Does my method produce something other than the correct hash?
<v3ctor> i don't have md5 to test with
<Daveydweeb> Cooloh.
<Daveydweeb> Well, hmm. I'll just test it, one tick.
<raich> okay, i got this AREALLY annoyin gproblem, every time i login, this message appears saying that some $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored, this happens since MONTHS ago now, even when i used Ubuntu (with GNOME), and it only happens when i mount my home file (yes, it is in hdd1, master IDe is hda)<
<raich> sorry for spelling*
<Daveydweeb> Bah! I *have* been using the wrong command. Which begs the question, then: why does the install fail, the way it does? =\
<Daveydweeb> raich: Sorry, no thoughts here.
<raich> no problem... also , this didn't happen with KDe
<raich> if anyone knows....
<Daveydweeb> Bugger! >_<
<Daveydweeb> The installer still fails, even using different options. Gah!
<Daveydweeb> Anyone think they can help with it?
<Daveydweeb> I'm so fed up with this. :(
<Daveydweeb> !netboot
<ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
<raich> !mp3
<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
<petsei> hallo :)
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<Relam> hiho
<Relam> is xubuntu ppc usable on powerbooks ?
<v3ctor> hi
<v3ctor> there is a powerpc install iso
<v3ctor> it should be usable
<luckyone> so I *think* X isn't starting anymore on my system
<luckyone> at the very least vnc doesn't work
<luckyone> I just dist-upgraded...
<JKnife> ohhh xchat is also sexy with this theme
<TooTallJones> anyone know how ot file share in vmware?
<TooTallJones> not finding anyone willing to help me in the vmware room =(
<ormiret> TooTallJones: between the VM and the host machine?
<TooTallJones> yeah
<TooTallJones> i'm just not getting it
<TooTallJones> probably something wrong in the filepath i'm trying to map for a network drive
<TooTallJones> in VM options I have it enabled on my home folder
<TooTallJones> then when I go and add the \\.host\Shared Files\ nothing, so I need to replace host with my IP and shared files with the path to my home folder?
<TooTallJones> the network should show up on my network places I was pretty sure, but i'm not seeing that either
<slow-motion> hallo
<TooTallJones> hi
<Twist> Hi
<Twist> Does anyone know how I can install Pygame on Xubuntu 6.06?
<Twist> apt-get install python2.4-pygame doesn't work
<TheSheep> Twist: try 'apt-cache search pygame' first
<Twist> TheSheep: Thanks, I'll try it!
<TheSheep> Twist: or use Synaptic
<Twist> Ah
<Twist> I think I did it
<Twist> Had to enable some things in the repository :)
<Twist> It says its installed :)
<Twist> Thanks for your help though :)
<archangelpetro> does anyone here run on amd64?
<case1976> hi All
<case1976> what does i686 mean?
<case1976> the new kernel is for the i686 processor, and i have no idea what it denotes
<case1976> will it function normally on my pentium III ?
<case1976> or is it for more modern processors only?
<tim_> p3 is fine :)
<case1976> what is the difference between i386 and i686 ?
<case1976> all the previous kernels were for i386, as i know
<Relam> i386 = 386er + kompatible Prozessoren
<Relam> i586 = Pentium + compatible cpus
<Relam> i686 = > pentium II + compatible
<v3ctor> i386 was just a legacy designation
<case1976> oh great! :)
<case1976> therefore i can use the new kernel
<v3ctor> the recent kernels that were still labeled i386 most likely wouldn't run on one
<case1976> thanx for the info
<Relam> what have i to press to boot from cd on a apple powerbook ?
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<archangelpetro> does anyone here have troubles with firefox crashing randomly with amd64 ?
<v3ctor> i have had trouble with firefox crashing randomly on ever platform since back when it was called phoenix
<balrog> hmmm, phoenix was quite stable for me
<nolimitsoya> has anyone experienced treeview rendering corruption in the edgy version of thunar, when deleting och moving - from the right most lane - a folder that is vissible in the tree?
<archangelpetro> v3ctor: what browser do you use now?
<nolimitsoya> could anyone at least confirm they _dont_ have this problem, 'couse iam seeing it on two very diffrent systems...
<archangelpetro> (doesnt know)
<nolimitsoya> fook it...
<nolimitsoya> been through four ubuntuchannels by now, and not at single awnser :P
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<en1gma> hey all i got a question for you reguarding the xbox s-controller and the xbox memory unit...has anyone got that mem card recognized from within the xbox?....windows uses acticon replay to communicate with it
<en1gma> 54 ppl here....anyone awake?
<vectra> I think not
<vectra> or nobody who knows about xbox stuff
<ellioTb> xbox?
<TheSheep> ellioTb: you know *x*ubuntu, *x*box -- it fits
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<jester45> is it possible to watch a video from a cli
<TheSheep> jester45: yes, look at aalib
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<TheSheep> jester45: I think that mplayer can use aalib
<ellioTb> lol, sup sheep
<ellioTb> i guess xubuntu does have an x and a b in it, thus xbox
<TheSheep> ellioTb: the real question is, though, can you install one on the other?
<ellioTb> you can install linux on xbox
<ellioTb> they even have OSX for the xbox now
<ellioTb> i wanna know how konquerer got installed!
<jester45> ellioTb: you can also install windows
<ellioTb> nice
<ellioTb> i have an xbox that i turned into a paperweight, cause i cheaped out on the mod chip
<jester45> when i use
<TheSheep> jester45: what for?
<jester45> mplayer file.mpg
<ellioTb> only got to play it a week
<jester45> mplayer opens a new window
<TheSheep> jester45: mplayer -vo aa
<jester45> i want it to play from the same window
<ellioTb> anyone ever done WEP crackin from linux with airsnort or anything
<jester45> also
<jester45> would you happen to know if you can play xbox games in linux
<TheSheep> jester45: run it from text mode console :)
<jester45> like an emulator
<ellioTb> i dunno, they have a psx emulator though i know
<jester45> yes but i have no ps2 games
<jester45> and dont want to download them
<ellioTb> not ps2, ps1
<Zeqfreed> hey guys. would you please tell me how can i add a launcher to desktop?
<ellioTb> i think you make a .desktop file
<ellioTb> copy the format of one from /usr/share/applications
<Zeqfreed> thanks i'll have a look
<TheSheep> Zeqfreed: or just copy one of those to your ~/Desktop
<Zeqfreed> TheSheep, ellioTb: ok, it works. i got the idea :)
<JKnife> hi people
<slow-motion> n8
<JKnife> neight?
<Daveydweeb|zzz> Best kind.
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<Daveydweeb> My installation worries appear to be almost at an end. The latest build of Xubuntu appears to actually install, unlike the beta.
<JKnife> ?
<JKnife> more upgrades?
<Daveydweeb> Hmm?
<JKnife> "The latest build of Xubuntu appears to actually install, unlike the beta." or do you mean cd?
<Daveydweeb> Uhhh... yeah, sorry. The latest ISO.
<Daveydweeb> Downloaded from rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/edgy-alternate-powerpc.iso
<JKnife> ahh working video then?
<TheSheep> a linux distro that actually installs, the world is ending
<JKnife> haha
<ellioTb> the sky is falling!
<Daveydweeb> Possibly. It's the alternate CD, but it solves the problem I had with the original alternate: that it would crap out when unpacking the base system. It's now past that point, and I eagerly await the next showstopping error.
<Daveydweeb> My hair's on fire!
<Daveydweeb> Or, ah, something.
<Daveydweeb> The install process looks so promising, I really think it might be working.. but I'm still bracing myself for bitter, bitter disappointment.
<JKnife> =) hehe that reminds me... valves time line on there dev wiki(for the sdk) goes through there "timechart" and it says the would will end when TF2 comes out.. it is being shipped with HL2EP2
<TheSheep> let's run for the hills
<Daveydweeb> Oh noes! :)
<Daveydweeb> *gasp!* It's up to configuring apt.. :O
* Daveydweeb is so close
<JKnife> hehe wait till reboot and Xorg
<JKnife> =)
<TheSheep> yay, do I see a new set of wacom drivers in the updates? could it be it will work again? :D
<JKnife> why is beryl using so much cpu =/
<JKnife> TheSheep: no
<TheSheep> JKnife: KILL IT!
<TheSheep> bwahahaha
<JKnife> ='(
<TheSheep> JKnife: it gets into lockups sometimes
<TheSheep> JKnife: probably some race condition ;)
* JKnife wonders how many females use Xubuntu
* TheSheep knows 2 personally
<TheSheep> I mean two females using xubuntu, not two females at all ;)
<JKnife> ... i think you know 2 females and there the ones that use xubuntu
<TheSheep> JKnife: you think they just dress up?
<Daveydweeb> I know of none. O' course, this IRC channel is filled with the entire Xubuntu population, as far as I'm concerned.
<Daveydweeb> :P
<JKnife> TheSheep: that reminds me of "Ahh IRC, where guys are guys, girls are guys, and 12 year old girls are FPI agents"
<Daveydweeb> http://nerdyshirts.com/product_info.php?gender=1&products_id=34&osCsid=991c316a650a87c67ce7800073aa82e6
<Daveydweeb> ^ "On the internet, I'm a 15 year old girl"
<JKnife> -_-
<Daveydweeb> >_>
<JKnife> it is not >_> it is »_»
<Daveydweeb> Maybe ≥_≥ ?
<Daveydweeb> 'Cause I'm tired. :P
<JKnife> whats the combo for that? or are you using the char map?
<TheSheep> ÷_÷
<JKnife> ±.±
<Daveydweeb> I'm using a Macintoy. On here, it's option/alt->
<Daveydweeb> ∞_∞
<Daveydweeb> º_º?
<JKnife> blah screen doesn't know em
<Daveydweeb> Bah.
<JKnife> º
<TheSheep> ò_ó
<JKnife> òó
<Daveydweeb> Rest assured, they were *hilarious*
<Daveydweeb> Oh, dude. That one was awesome. *saves for future*
<JKnife> »»­­».«)­»
<JKnife> opps
<JKnife> »»­­(».«)­»
<Daveydweeb> Hah!
<JKnife> thats my fav
<Daveydweeb> Oooooh
<JKnife> ¯\(°.o)/¯
<TheSheep> ×_X
<JKnife> that one is from a bot in #archlinux
<Daveydweeb> See Kirby dance:
<Daveydweeb> (>o_o)>
<Daveydweeb> <(o_o<)
<Daveydweeb> (>o_o)>
<JKnife> hehe
<TheSheep> OTL
<Daveydweeb> Hmm. Breakfast time.
<Daveydweeb> By the time I get back, my iMac will no doubt have burst into flames.
<TheSheep> ~( ^(··)^ )~
<TheSheep> oink!
<Daveydweeb> ^ I shall eat one of them, right now.
* Daveydweeb fetches a pan
<JKnife> bbl... movie made with WoW then XFire dev chat
<TheSheep> ~( )'^=
<Zeqfreed> has anybody used dcgui? i can't make it work..
<jester45> can you make mplayer play one file then another with *
<jester45> example mplayer file*.mpg
<TheSheep> jester45: I think you can, why?
<jester45> would play file1.mpg then file2.mpg and so on
<Zeqfreed> usually the shell evaluates such wildcards not the application itself
<jester45> because i have a list of files that need to be played in order
<TheSheep> you can always use: for file in file*.mpg; do mplayer $file
<jester45> so the $ will make it play in order
<TheSheep> ah, then do: for file in $(ls *.mpg | sort -n); do mplayer $file; done
<TheSheep> no, sort -n will make it play in order
<jester45> im confused
<jester45> mplayer -n $file*.mpg ?
<jester45> ooo
<jester45> ok
<jester45> cd to folder
<jester45> ls *.mpg
<jester45> sort -n
<jester45> mplayer *mpg
<Zeqfreed> you should type the whole string as it is
<TheSheep> I don't think so
<jester45> o
<jester45> i have an older computer that i just installed xubuntu on it had 98
<jester45> win98
<jester45> and im trying to get it to play videos on it
<jester45> my newer computers can do it but the older one cant even play mpegs with out them skiping
<TheSheep> jester45: linux might be faster, but with movies it's raw processing power that counts, can't get them much faster...
<jester45> but when it had win98 i could play lots of video files
<jester45> the only type i couldnt play was the h.####
<jester45> o and dvds
<jester45> are the linux libs slower than windows dlls
<TheSheep> I don't think so
<jester45> like are the libs older
<jester45> not as optimezed
<jester45> thats the word
<jester45> optimized
<jester45> hi TheSheep
<jester45> i never say hi to you
<Daveydweeb> Well, I have news of one sort or another.
<jester45> till after i been talking to you
<Daveydweeb> Ubuntu (GNOME, not Xfce) now boots. It never did before.
<Daveydweeb> Is it possible to switch from Ubuntu to Xubuntu from apt-get/Synaptic/whatever?
<Daveydweeb> It used to be under Dapper, I think.
<jester45> i think you use sudo apt-get install xfce-desktop
<jester45> maybe xubuntu-desktop
<TheSheep> xubuntu-desktop
<jester45> i would try the xubuntu first that might give you the apps and such that come with it
<jester45> :) i was right
<jester45> be back later
<jester45> bye
<Daveydweeb> Thanks :)
<Daveydweeb> so, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
<Daveydweeb> Whoops, package not found. What repositories do I need to add?
<MattJ> Why, after a particular update, did the Xfce settings manager grow "Button Label|" in front of all the button captions?
<Zeqfreed> by the way, is there a way to make the system remember keyboard layout for every window?
<Zeqfreed> that's the feature i miss
<Zeqfreed> maybe some kind of a plugin
<anmar> Hey guys. my sound is not working. volume settings work fine with no error. How can I best figure out what is going on?
<v3ctor> did you make sure it is not muted?
<anmar> v3ctor: hehe.. that was my first guess.
<anmar> I even booted into GNOME to test it and had no sound.
<anmar> v3ctor: so it is not muted and the volume dials move with no errors.. that is what boggling my mind. No errors...
<v3ctor> hmm
<anmar> v3ctor: are there any specific spots I should look into. BTW, I am using Edgy and want to make sure if itis a bug that I file it to the team
<v3ctor> you have an mp3 handy?
<v3ctor> sound works fine on my edgy box
<v3ctor> mpg123 -o alsa <anysong>.mp3
<anmar> v3ctor: let me try that one sec
<new2linx> has nayone tried to install the latest xffm from their website? i think it's 4.5.0?
<new2linx> why is no one talking?
<v3ctor> new2linx: i have not tried it
<MattJ> http://getjabber.no-ip.info/Screenshot-Xfce.png
<v3ctor> dillo
<v3ctor> hate when i miss window
<anmar> v3ctor: aha... I see some errors
<v3ctor> what do you see?
<anmar> v3ctor: Can't open unknown ao driver alasa
<v3ctor> alsa or alasa?
<anmar> alasa
<v3ctor> no
<v3ctor> should be alsa
<anmar> v3ctor: yeah.. it is not Alsa
<v3ctor> the command i posted has alsa
<anmar> v3ctor: oops.. sorry.. my bad
<anmar> v3ctor: ok.. now I am getting a what of errors...
<anmar> v3ctor: basically says Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
<anmar> v3ctor: it also complains about unablie to initialize slave for the snd_pcm_dmix_open
<v3ctor> lsmod| grep snd
<new2linx> where is everyone else, theres suppose to be 51 people in here?
<anmar> v3ctor: a whack of intel modules are ther... soundcore ... etc
<anmar> v3ctor: don't want to paste a lot of stuf on this room.
<v3ctor> most people are only in here during business hours ;)
<new2linx> has anyone tried to install xffm 4.5.0 from the install file on their website?
<v3ctor> anmar: 1 sec
<v3ctor> !pastebin
<ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
<v3ctor> paste it there
<new2linx> it states there are 51 people right now.
<v3ctor> and give me the url
<v3ctor> new2linx: they go afk and don't log out
<anmar> v3ctor: sure. thanks guys one sec
<new2linx> oh well, i'lll look for xfce or some other channel
<new2linx> thanks anyway
<Daveydweeb> Bah! Can anyone tell me the repositories I need to install xubuntu-desktop from apt-get?
<anmar> v3ctor: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26687/
<v3ctor> try: sudo modprobe snd_pcm_dmix_open
<anmar> v3ctor: not found.
<anmar> v3ctor: shouldn't there be a snd_pcm_alsa instead of the snd_pcm_oss ?
<v3ctor> if the modules begin with snd...it is alsa
<anmar> v3ctor: ah.. ok. I see
<v3ctor> snd_pcm_oss is just an oss compatibilty module
<anmar> v3ctor: I see.
<jester45> it worked
<jester45> thanks
<jester45> im filled with ideas today
<jester45> my new one is
<v3ctor> hmm
<v3ctor> anmar: i am not good with sound...i am trying
<jester45> is it possible to have at the top xfce panel a thing that tells you whats playing in xfmedia
<anmar> v3ctor: man I really apprciate the help....
<jester45> like time left - title
<v3ctor> jester45: no clue
<jester45> and maybe a progress bar under that
<v3ctor> anmar: maybe try in #ubuntu+1
<jester45> it would be cool but i dont see it under the add
<anmar> v3ctor: can you do one check for me please. can you find out if you belong to a special audio or sound group ?
<anmar> v3ctor: oh.. did not know that existed... will do. Thanks
<anmar> join #ubuntu+1
<v3ctor> yes
<v3ctor> you should belong to audio group
<anmar> v3ctor: I do. ok. that that is resolved.
<jester45> how long till 6.10 is out
<jester45> as stable
<anmar> jester45: i think the goal was early Nov. if I am correct
<jester45> they sould of made it dec 23ed
<jester45> just in time for christmas
<jester45> but sooner is better
<jester45> if i upgrade will it change all my settings?
<jester45> and how would i upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Oct 26
<Daveydweeb> Your settings will remain, most of them.
<Daveydweeb> and yes, that's the right command.
<PuMpErNiCkLe> You'll need to change each instance of 'dapper' in your sources.list to 'edgy'.
<Daveydweeb> So... how do I convert my Ubuntu installation to Xubuntu?
<PuMpErNiCkLe> Install 'xubuntu-desktop' and you can choose between the two at the gdm screen.

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