<Neo8750> i got it

<Neo8750> i had to apt-get install xserver-xorg

<maxamillion> hello world

<maxamillion> off work now :)

<Jamminpotato> i wish goom was configurable

<maxamillion> goom?

<Jamminpotato> a visualizer plugin for xmms and whatnot

<jah_raztah> firefox 2.0b2 has been out for sometime now, is it going to be making its way to the ubuntu repositories?

<maxamillion> jah_raztah: when its stable

<jah_raztah> i'm talking about edgy

<jah_raztah> sorry

<maxamillion> oh... i dunno

<maxamillion> :P

<maxamillion> no worries

<jah_raztah> theya re still stuck on b1

<maxamillion> interesting

<jah_raztah> maybe someone with connection can inform the developers

<Jamminpotato> lol

<maxamillion> i'll send an email and see if anyone picks up on it

<maxamillion> if gmail will hurry its ass

<maxamillion> .... fuckers .... first time i have ever seen gmail down EVER

<jah_raztah> not only that but xfce 4.4 rc 1 is out with alot of bugfixes

<maxamillion> yeah, amen to that

<jah_raztah> and i've really want that more then anything

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: edgy has bon echo

<jah_raztah> gnome 2.16 is not even officially release and most of the packages are in the repositories

<jah_raztah> bon echo b1

<jah_raztah> there is a b2 now

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: I don't care, it made me switch to epiphany anyways

<maxamillion> well ... we will just have to wait and see, i'm sure the xubuntu development team is hard at work and everything will be great for release date

<jah_raztah> b2 has alot of bugfixes

<jah_raztah> and alot of the old features have been replaces with new ones

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: wake e up when they start to *remove* functionalities from it, instead of adding more

<jah_raztah> i think they don't wanna update it cause some fo the old data and extension might break

<jah_raztah> ohh

<TheSheep> it has too much already

<jah_raztah> you like stripped down browsers

<TheSheep> ff 3.0 will be a complete operating system

<jah_raztah> swiftfox is an alternative which maybe what you are looking for

<jah_raztah> lol

<maxamillion> links2 ftw

<jah_raztah> http://www.getswiftfox.com/ubuntu.htm

<TheSheep> bah

<maxamillion> that's dumb

<TheSheep> it's still the bloated firefox

<jah_raztah> actually from what i hear it's a more stripped down version highly optimized to work with the processor you are running

<maxamillion> let me make a whole project based on compiling a different version per processor .... yes, that makes sense ... just do a source install

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: it's not stripped down, just optimized

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: have you tried it yourself before recommending, actually?

<jah_raztah> yes

<jah_raztah> using it now

<TheSheep> which features have been stripped off?

<jah_raztah> i have no idea

<jah_raztah> i read on the website

<jah_raztah> i don't dig too deep into all the features

<maxamillion> "sudo apt-get -b source firefox" == swiftfox

<maxamillion> well then dpkg -i firefox.deb ... but lets not get into symantics

<jah_raztah> swiftfox does seem to start up faster and load webpages faster as well

<Andrew67> you forgot build-dependencies ;)

<TheSheep> maxamillion: one inconvenience is that you need all the -dev packages for that

<Andrew67> heh, useful for those who already compile alot

<jah_raztah> forget firefox and web-browsers

<maxamillion> i already have alot of that stuff because i write software for class

<jah_raztah> i'm interested in xfce 4.4 rc12

<jah_raztah> rc1*

<maxamillion> rgr

<jah_raztah> when will that be making it's way to the repositories

<jah_raztah> i presume it will be before knot-3

<Andrew67> ubuntu is rather slow at updating apps no

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: when it drops the 'rc' part

<jah_raztah> TheSheep, we are talking about edgy

<Andrew67> of course, the months i spent in debian unstable were chaos

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: yes

<Andrew67> whats the difference if i upgrade to this edgy?

<jah_raztah> new packages

<maxamillion> things crash

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: remember that edgy is supposed to be stable by october

<jah_raztah> ohh and the new start-up system is up

<TheSheep> Andrew67: you can't complain on bugs anymore then :P

<Andrew67> i spent 6 months on debian unstable

<Andrew67> THAT crashes

<maxamillion> don't touch it before knot-5 in my opinion ... normally around 4 or 5 it becomes stable

<jah_raztah> i don't know if xfce 4.4 final will be out by then

<jah_raztah> they do they there time with releases

<TheSheep> I spent 4 years on pld stable, *this one* crashes ;)

<maxamillion> Andrew67: i have the debian logo tatooed on my body ... i know all about the wimsicle branches of debian in the many years spent there

<maxamillion> TheSheep: pld?

<Andrew67> i wanna see that tatoo

<TheSheep> maxamillion: polish linux distribution

<jah_raztah> maxamillion, i tried it at knot-2 and it's been quite stable

<TheSheep> maxamillion: made by syops for sysops ;)

<jah_raztah> say for a few crashes involving mono

<maxamillion> Andrew67: uhmm ... lemme take a pic really fast

<maxamillion> TheSheep: oh joy

<Andrew67> better not

<Andrew67> lol

<maxamillion> jah_raztah: fair enough

<PathagenX> Xubuntu ROX!!

<jah_raztah> yes it does

<Andrew67> you may complain now ;)

<TheSheep> rotfl

<jah_raztah> does it rock hard or mellow?

<PathagenX> Seriously.. I am -amazed-

<jah_raztah> thank the xfce guys they are doing a solid hjob putting together a nice desktop

<PathagenX> it is wicked fast. Updates from repositories in MY country, mean they are chillingly quick and do not impact on my monthly transfer cap ATALL.

<PathagenX> The system is WOW fast and I have not even gotten to the startup files yet

<jah_raztah> are you on edgy?

<jah_raztah> using xfce 4.4 beta 2?

<PathagenX> Yea. XFce was really nice around the XFce3 days. They sucked for a while during XFce4 but clearly, they have cleaned it up, so well. I always use XFce, so that my KDE and Gnome junk are tied together.. But.. eesh.

<jah_raztah> xfce is faster then gnome 2.16 on my machine but not amazingly fast, maybe your machine was more optimized for the xfce packages

<PathagenX> The new file manager is so nice too. I can use the default filemanager now! :)

<jah_raztah> thunar yes it is... even has trash support now

<maxamillion> Andrew67: about to upload a pic of my tattoo .. please hold

* TheSheep takes cover

<Andrew67> maxamillion: nooo

<PathagenX> Yea, maybe, I unno. I have always gotten very 'meh' improvments using XFce over Gnome but.. Out of the box.. Wow. I am doping stuff so quickly that my hair keeps blowing in my face.

<PathagenX> *doing

<maxamillion> o.O'?

<maxamillion> why did he leave?

<PathagenX> even looks brilliant. It is no PhotonGUI but it is the nicest looking thing out-of-the-box that I have seen in a long time.

<TheSheep> maxamillion: got scared of your tatoo

<TheSheep> PathagenX: you should have used the xfce icons, not the tango ones

<TheSheep> PathagenX: that would change your mind ;)

<TheSheep> buy, they are *ugly*

<jah_raztah> yes a bigger speed imporvment i noticed was transistion from gnome 2.14 to 2.16... but i think xfce 4.2 was already so fast that it was hard to see a very big difference in performance in 4.4

<PathagenX> I think the Rodent set is uglier than sin.

<jah_raztah> ye rodent needs a facelift kinda like the new gnome icons did

<PathagenX> Gnome 2.16 was a big cleanup.

<jah_raztah> i'm using gnome icons on xfce

<PathagenX> Gnome Icons are boring too, yea. Lotsa beige and Kakky brown/green

<jah_raztah> have you seen the purple crux?

<PathagenX> Nupe

<jah_raztah> it goes nice with my purple xfce theme

<PathagenX> Anything Crux can't be that nice.

<TheSheep> tango and tangerine are extremely nice, all svg

<jah_raztah> i taught the same

<TheSheep> gorilla is nice too

<jah_raztah> but they did a nice job

<TheSheep> the first svg icon theme

<jah_raztah> the folder icons are really nice

<PathagenX> I always liked Gorilla but never have a chance to fit it in with anything.

<TheSheep> PathagenX: I've been using gorilla all the time before I discovered tango

<jah_raztah> gnome artwork team took serious style cues from tango this time

<maxamillion> tango is Xubuntu default right?

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: the gnome icons are just too blurry

<TheSheep> maxamillion: yes

<PathagenX> I have not been buzzing about Linux like this for such a long time.

<jah_raztah> are you talking about the new ones?

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: where are the new ones?

<PathagenX> Not since I got my NVIDIA

<maxamillion> TheSheep: sweet ... yeah, then tango owns

<PathagenX> Which reminds me...

<jah_raztah> yes, every time nerds come together like this it's a special thing

<jah_raztah> geeks*

<PathagenX> The kind of geek that smiles proudly when he is called such.

<jah_raztah> the new ones are in egdy repositories

<jah_raztah> yay i join the electronics program in college and i'll be learning and using linux, little does the professor know that i've been using it for over a year

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: better, but still not perfect :)

<maxamillion> http://www.swooh.com/home/adam/pics/tattoo/debTattoo1.jpg <--my tattoo, sorry for the shitty photo quality

<jah_raztah> yes i didn't say it was perfect

<jah_raztah> but it's a big step up fromt he previous

<jah_raztah> the*

<TheSheep> jah_raztah: expect to be quieted down a lot

<maxamillion> i used to be hard core debian zealot ... :/ ... then i wised up

<jah_raztah> why?

<PathagenX> Is that the Debian logo or the new Jabber logo?

<PathagenX> It is velly dark.

<maxamillion> PathagenX: debian ... i know its dark, it looked worse with the flash

<TheSheep> somehow I never got convinced to debian -- it just didn't have nice logo

* TheSheep only uses distros with nice logos ;)

<maxamillion> http://www.swooh.com/home/adam/pics/tattoo/debTattoo2.jpg <--with flash

<PathagenX> That is very obssesive .. Cool but.. A little bit.. 'Cult of the Fat Penguin'

<jah_raztah> i like the foresight linux logo and also the elive logo

<maxamillion> my camera felt like sucking today

<maxamillion> i like the elive logo .... i dunno, a logo never really deemed a distro worth to me. i had to enjoy using it

<jah_raztah> yes same

<PathagenX> I dun like the Xubuntu logo though.. I think it is too cautios.. Like.. We are Ubuntu, built around XFce.. Which makes sence but it is not very adventerous.

<maxamillion> i like it.... i also like the glassy look of the proposed edgy xubuntu logo

<jah_raztah> i guess it's lacking a little detail

<TheSheep> maxamillion: link?

<maxamillion> TheSheep: just a min....

<jah_raztah> yes the edgy logo does show more detail

<jah_raztah> but they ned to fix the colors and also the borders need to be shaper

<jah_raztah> sharper*

<rahsputin> hello, how much spce on HD do i need for HDD install

<TheSheep> I don't like that hey choosed blue theme

<jah_raztah> what i like in edgy is the whole spell checking everywhere, even in xchat

<TheSheep> it was prretty arbitrary

<PathagenX> what is this 'edgy' business? Bleeding Edge repository?

<jah_raztah> rahsputin, around 1.5 gigs

<TheSheep> and now it's confused with kubuntu

<Jamminpotato> no

<rahsputin> thanks

<Jamminpotato> PathagenX, its the codename for the 6.10 version

<PathagenX> my spell checking is not working.. As you can see..

<Jamminpotato> edgy eft

<Jamminpotato> this one is dapper drake

<rahsputin> guidens

<jah_raztah> edgy eft is the upcomming version of ubuntu due to release in october

<maxamillion> TheSheep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/XubuntuEdgy/Proposals

<rahsputin> and protection

<Jamminpotato> !edgy

<ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule

<Jamminpotato> !schedule

<ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule

<PathagenX> Why are they using code words when it is all so public? oO Sorta defeats the purpose.. I guess it has cool factor though..

<jah_raztah> yes i rahsputin

<jah_raztah> bless up

<TheSheep> bleh, looks like kde's "plastic" theme

<PathagenX> ewww

<TheSheep> shiny everywhere

<PathagenX> better than Keramik

<maxamillion> TheSheep: well ... that's what the world wants, so they are giving it ... i like it :)

<jah_raztah> yes i agree about the kde plastic theme comment

<jah_raztah> it's got too much gloss

<jah_raztah> and not enough sharpness and detail

<TheSheep> maxamillion: I like the white themes, like industrial or the milk/green ubuntulooks

<PathagenX> It looks ok if you spend a few hours getting the colors perfect XD

<jah_raztah> but i like it still

<jah_raztah> yes that is what i mentioned earlier

<jah_raztah> about the colors

<maxamillion> well ... i am off to make dinner... bbl

<PathagenX> BRB - hopefully with NVIDIA

<jah_raztah> GDM greeter screen V4 looks the best imo

<jah_raztah> it seems they like to use the murrine engine for the gtk, nice choice i prefer it over ubuntulooks

<TheSheep> there is murrine in the repos?

<jah_raztah> no

<TheSheep> bah

<jah_raztah> but it was propossed on the website

<jah_raztah> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/XubuntuEdgy/Proposals

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<pathagenx> That was painful. I forgot nvidia-glx

<pathagenx> I'm used to Slackware and compiling. >.>

<pathagenx> I'm trying to make a buddyicon out of the Xubuntu logo but it doesn't look right, centered in a square! I really dun like the logo.

<TheSheep> pathagenx: then use your own photo like everyone else ;)

<pathagenx> I can't. On some RPGs, I have ppl convinced that I a a woman >.>

<pathagenx> X} But you don't need to remember me saying that

<TheSheep> pathagenx: put a mop on the head when making the photo

<pathagenx> Haha XD

<TheSheep> pathagenx: they will just think you're ugly

<Neo8750> wtf

<Neo8750> no ndiswrapper in edgy

<Neo8750> zepski@zeptop:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper

<Neo8750> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.17-6-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument

<pathagenx> TheSheep is smart enough to be a Kiwi

<TheSheep> they might have forgotten to put it in

<pathagenx> It's there. It just aint working

<Neo8750> well is that just kernel issue?

<TheSheep> might be

<TheSheep> or a typo in some config file

<pathagenx> I unno. Ask someone who knows. x}

<Neo8750> well guess i'll find out later gotta go

<pathagenx> seeya

<pathagenx> Usually I would be personalising everything right now, having just installed but I don't have to and that is creepy.

<TheSheep> pathagenx: break something and start fixing ;)

<pathagenx> I was thinking about my kernel..

<TheSheep> *you* have a kernel? O.o

<pathagenx> It is Linux. Everying in here is mine.

<TheSheep> ah :)

<TheSheep> except the nvidia drivers

<pathagenx> Mine mine mine. I am buzzing. Thankyou Xubuntu team, Ubuntu team and to a lesser point, the XFce team. X}

<pathagenx> Yea. Those are not mine atall. :(

<TheSheep> blob

<TheSheep> I find the nv driver faster, but it doesn't have the acceleration support :(

<TheSheep> it's amazing that it is still faster for 2d graphics without composite

<pathagenx> FrameBuffer has gotten very fast indeed

<TheSheep> enabling composite turns it into a slug though :(

<pathagenx> everything post 2.6.0 has been brilliantly fast and so much cleaner.

<pathagenx> I get nostalgic, thinking about older versions of Windows or the competition for Windows in the old days.. But.. Since the 2.6 kernel, I have had no nostalgia.. Everything just keeps getting better in the Linux world and it doesn't suck ... even 25% as much nowadays.

<TheSheep> actually it feels like you are back in time when you have to use windows somewhere

<TheSheep> so ancient

<TheSheep> even vista looks and feels cheesy

<pathagenx> and slow

<pathagenx> Got into my Windows2000 the other day and I .. Eww.. Old Firefox.. and It was so slow. Scanned registry and all that junk and it was still pathetic.

<pathagenx> XP was ugly and kept the users five miles from their computer system and Vista is even more ugly and even more abstracting.

<pathagenx> are there any meta-packages for compile tools?

<TheSheep> build-essential

<pathagenx> handy enough.

<pathagenx> I will still have to grab all of the <moo>-dev packages manually though, right?

<pathagenx> Can't believe that I am liking, let alone enjoying a Debian system.

<pathagenx> Icck. Stuff that

<pathagenx> ahhwell. the SDL dev packages took care of all of the important ones.

<TheSheep> it's no gentoo ;)

<jester45> anyone here

<TheSheep> nope

<jester45> hey

<jester45> well i will wait for you to get back

<jester45> :)

<jester45> ok

<jester45> ummm

<jester45> a few questions

<Jamminpotato> hey

<jester45> hey potato

<Jamminpotato> whats your ?, that i probably cant answer

<TheSheep> sorry for making fun

<jester45> 1st question is if my sister downloaded a song and i took it from her computer it would work on linux right

<TheSheep> jester45: depends on the format

<jester45> mp3

<TheSheep> !mp3

<ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats

<TheSheep> :)

<TheSheep> you need to isntall addtional libraries

<jester45> well

<jester45> i installed a few

<jester45> dont know what ones

<TheSheep> it's all described there

<jester45> is there an easier way i have mplater wouldnt it install them for me?

<jester45> mplayer

<TheSheep> or just use easyubuntu to install them automagically

<pathagenx> Oh yea!

<TheSheep> !easyubuntu

<ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.

<jester45> i will go with the auto way

<pathagenx> Stu[pid. blah. Liscencing is the reason?

<TheSheep> pathagenx: software patents in us

<jester45> i love and hate us

<pathagenx> Fff. Europe, America.. Man I love living in New Zealand.

<TheSheep> japan has the software patents to

<TheSheep> o

<pathagenx> just libmad or libmpeg aswell?

<TheSheep> pathagenx: I don't know the details

<TheSheep> pathagenx: encoding is subjects to patents

<TheSheep> pathagenx: decoding not

<pathagenx> follows the link offered

<jester45> well

<jester45> that was....easy

<TheSheep> but the libraries usually offer both

<TheSheep> jester45: get flash and java too, by the way ;)

<jester45> got it

<jester45> well

<jester45> java

<jester45> havent needed flash

<jester45> well ads wanted them

<jester45> but i said nope

<pathagenx> can't find w32codecs, nor mplayer

<TheSheep> pathagenx: in the universe repositories

<TheSheep> multiversy, sorry

<pathagenx> have them enabled and have also the multiverse

<birdfish> Any of you guys know of a good SFTP server?

<pathagenx> I knew things were running too amazingly

<TheSheep> birdfish: I think proftpd does sftp, but not sure

<jester45> System sanity check: PASSED!

<jester45> umm

<birdfish> Hm, let me look it up really quick. Does it also do virtual users?

<jester45> im i reading this wrong

<TheSheep> birdfish: no idea

<jester45> but sanity is as in not crazy right

<TheSheep> jester45: yes

<jester45> when your insane they lock you up

<jester45> cool

<jester45> my computer is not freaky

<TheSheep> jester45: sane system is when all the stuff points where it should

<TheSheep> jester45: not sane -- when there are inconsistencies

<jester45> windows has problems with that

<jester45> hey do know you what my apache port is

<TheSheep> jester45: everything has

<TheSheep> jester45: that's why they put the checks in

<jester45> windows is bacd at it

<jester45> bad*

<jester45> well 98 was

<jester45> xp is just bloated

<TheSheep> normally http is served on port 80

<jester45> but is bloated because people have more ram and cpu than before

<TheSheep> may be also served on 8080 or other

<pathagenx> *screams*

<pathagenx> I guess I could just convert all of my stupid mp3s to stupid vorbis

<jester45> i inabled http https and ftp on my router

<jester45> should be good

<pathagenx> always handy for sharing

<pathagenx> 8080 is usually reserved for http proxy

<jester45> and i have the thing where it auto opens ports

<jester45> dan

<jester45> dang

<jester45> i wish Apache had a gr apical thing to look at

<jester45> is there a way to test my sound card

<jester45> it a new one

<jester45> and i couldnt get a wire pluged in

<jester45> but i dont think i need it

<irawan> jester45: maybe if you see a mixer for the soundcard, then your soundcard working?

<irawan> well, that's from my experience anyway

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<jester45> the card comes with a cd

<jester45> maybe i should pop that in

<irawan> don't know if there's any other way without hearing the sound :)

<jester45> after i find it

<irawan> the cd may include driver

<irawan> which may not be needed for linux :)

<jester45> is a sound blaster audigy

<jester45> 24-bit

<irawan> but you can try it anyway

<jester45> works with 98-xp and osx10-12

<jester45> my old one is about 1 1/2 wide and 2 1/2 long

<pathagenx> I hate this. I just installed many MB of GStreamer crap, aswell as mp3 codecs and still, XFMedia refuses to play my freaken mp3. WTF?

<jester45> nothing good on it

<jester45> try mplayer

<jester45> i liked in windows

<jester45> 43 mins left of downloads

<TheSheep> pathagenx: xfmedia uses xine

<pathagenx> I have xine base installed

<pathagenx> but I can't get into all of the multiverse repository, becuase of public key BS

<TheSheep> pathagenx: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs

<jester45> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<jester45> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<jester45> i HEARD SOMETHING

<jester45> i went werwoe

<jester45> im o happy

<jester45> happy

<jester45> h

<birdfish> join #pureftp

<jester45> come

<jester45> celebarte with me

<jester45> party

<birdfish> Hm

* TheSheep goes to sleep

<irawan> jester45: congratulations

<jester45> im so happy so so hgappy

* TheSheep counts himself

<TheSheep> One

<jester45> oigamnogpnwqgjaengeugiugnb

* TheSheep .oO( ..zzZZ )

<birdfish> Anyone know if the PureFTP package is compiled with TLS/SSL support?

<jester45> o love linux now

<jester45> OOoooOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooOOOOoooooooooooooooo

<jester45> nope

<jester45> but im happy

<jester45> so so happy

<jester45> you gotta see my BIGGGGGG smile

<jester45> i heard sound for the first time in a week

<jester45> sound

<jester45> is good

<jester45> keeps me sane

<jester45> i want some party music now

<jester45> so i can party

<jester45> by my self

<jester45> intill im tired

<pathagenx> TheSheep: I cannopt use all of the multiverse repository.

<jester45> then go to bed

<jester45> why

<pathagenx> Public Key blah blah

<pathagenx> SSL/TLS crap

<jester45> take it off

<pathagenx> W: GPG error: http://repository.debuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 0E466170BCF1FC29

<pathagenx> GPG BS, actually.

<TheSheep> pathagenx: it's just a warning

<irawan> pathagenx: remove that repo, then update, then add that repo again...

<irawan> see if it fix that

<pathagenx> Well, that doesn't explain why a large portion of available packages are not showing up for me.

<TheSheep> besides debuntu is not an official repo

<pathagenx> ok

<TheSheep> pathagenx: make sure you have the multiverse repository enabled

<irawan> so, basically, what program are you looking for install?

<irawan> then we can see where we can get it from the official repos

<jester45> 21 mins left

<pathagenx> I doooooo. ;-;

<TheSheep> pathagenx: see if you have this line in your /etc/apt/sources.list

<TheSheep> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse

<TheSheep> only not edgy

<TheSheep> dapper isntead

<TheSheep> instead

<jester45> i love haveing 4 desktops

<jester45> so organiszed

<TheSheep> jester45: 4 are too few

<jester45> can you add

<TheSheep> sure, 8 is minimum for me

<jester45> well

<jester45> i dont think my computer can haddle that many apps

<TheSheep> mostly because of gimp

<pathagenx> Hmm..

<jester45> im useing about 20-30% cpu with ff gaim terminal and package dl

<pathagenx> Uhh is deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse valid?

<TheSheep> it should be

<TheSheep> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse

<TheSheep> sorry

<pathagenx> aight. i will put it in

<TheSheep> *dapper*

<jester45> you sould see my cpu with frostwire on

<TheSheep> DAPPER

<TheSheep> :)

<jester45> 0 to 100% in under 1sec

<TheSheep> 100% of what?

<jester45> then drops to 80 when im not doing anything on it but waiting

<jester45> cpu

<irawan> jester45: seems better than F-1

<jester45> if anyone has a spare slot 1 around

<pathagenx> That did the trick

<TheSheep> great

<irawan> glad to hear that

<TheSheep> pathagenx: you can add your country code before the 'archive'

<jester45> can you put a short cut to a folder on the desktop

<TheSheep> to use a local mirror

<TheSheep> like

<TheSheep> deb http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse

<pathagenx> nz.archive.ubuntu.com?

<TheSheep> yes

<TheSheep> altrough I don' know if there is such a mirror

<pathagenx> goodbai gstreamer. You will not be missed!

<jester45> lol

<pathagenx> HOORAY!!!

<pathagenx> Thankshoo

<TheSheep> ok, good night for real now :)

<TheSheep> the sun is rising

<jester45> sheep can you help me set up apache to work like that link you sent me

<jester45> showing you the files and directorys

<pathagenx> Eeep. Can I get a normalizer for xine?

<pathagenx> Sleep well

<jester45> o

<jester45> good night

<jester45> can anyone help me set put apache

<jester45> to show the files and directorys

<irawan> jester45: what do you need for apache

<irawan> oh

<irawan> which files and directories?

<jester45> i have apache2

<jester45> umm

<irawan> Ok

<jester45> perably my home folder

<irawan> not a good idea :)

<pathagenx> Ahh. Apache? I'm out.

<jester45> why

<jester45> well

<jester45> i well be only one useing it

<jester45> maybe a few friends

<jester45> and my sis

<irawan> :)

<jester45> oo

<jester45> is there a way to make it work a a ftp

<irawan> do you know where your www files are right now?

<jester45> like a ftp*

<jester45> yea

<jester45> var/www

<irawan> if you don't have the index file, it will show you the files and dirs there

<jester45> but i dont want it there and the config file has access denided on it

<jester45> o

<jester45> ok

<irawan> now, a better one for user's www is the public_html directories in user's home

<jester45> want about makeing a short cut to get ot the folder faster

<irawan> later you can go to your [username] www: http://localhost/~username

<irawan> hmmm, confused

<irawan> ?

<irawan> let me explain

<jester45> i dont know if you can lin ux

<jester45> cant remove the file

<jester45> let me stop apache

<irawan> in my home directory, I have public_html directory

<irawan> if I type: http://localhost/~myusername

<pathagenx> woohoo. Goodbai Xine too.

<irawan> it will go to that directori

<irawan> directory

<jester45> i dont have the public html

<jester45> p

<jester45> so

<irawan> don't change anything your apache setting

<irawan> try create the public_html directory first in your home

<jester45> to get to /home/ryan/desktop i would type localhost/~username/home/ryan/desktop ????

<irawan> no no no

<jester45> the www folder is in /var/www

<jester45> o

<jester45> im trying to understand

<irawan> I mean it's better to use the public_html directory as a folder for others to see

<jester45> i dont have that

<irawan> try create one, then try http://localhost/~ryan

<jester45> well anyone that is going to use it will know me

<jester45> make on in the www directory

<irawan> in your home directory

<irawan> not /var/www

<jester45> cant make one

<irawan> then try http://localhost/~ryan in browser

<jester45> creat folder is shaded

<irawan> mkdir public_html?

<jester45> problem

<jester45> i try that

<irawan> in your own home?

<jester45> its my only home

<irawan> /home/ryan/public_html

<jester45> oo

<jester45> in the ryan

<irawan> right

<jester45> ok

<jester45> it made

<jester45> know what

<jester45> now*

<irawan> ok, try http://localhost/~ryan ib rowser

<irawan> in browser I mean

<jester45> still problem

<irawan> what does it say?

<jester45> you know that apache thinks my server starts in var/www

<irawan> I know

<jester45> cannot atablich connection

<irawan> can you try http://localhost ?

<jester45> establish

<jester45> yea that works

<irawan> so, http://localhost/~ryan not work?

<jester45> yea

<jester45> localhost works localhost/~ryan doesnt

<irawan> OK, then we need to edit the apache setting

<irawan> a moment please

<pathagenx> XMMS is the winner

<pathagenx> *teh winnar

<jester45> :)

<pathagenx> with mplayer and xmms-mplay plugin, of couse.

<irawan> jester45: now go to /etc/apache2

<jester45> and edit what

<jester45> apache2.cofig?

<irawan> use sudo and edit the httpd.conf

<jester45> one min

<irawan> sorry should be apache2.config

<jester45> my installs are going

<jester45> hehe i was right

<irawan> yes, sorry

<jester45> how do i edit in teh terminal

<irawan> sudo mousepad apache2.conf

<jester45> im a noob at linux

<jester45> its blannk

<jester45> might need to give it time

<jester45> im useing 100% cpu

<irawan> well you're not in the right directory

<jester45> and ram probly

<irawan> no

<jester45> do i have to cd

<irawan> just exit

<irawan> and type again sudo mousepad /etc/apache2/apache2.conf

<jester45> or i could cd

<jester45> it worked

<jester45> change serveroot

<pathagenx> I like mousepad

<irawan> ok go the the line that has this: #<Directory /home/*/public_html>

<irawan> do you see anything like this: # UserDir is now a module

<jester45> DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml

<jester45> # UserDir is now a module

<jester45> #UserDir public_html

<jester45> #UserDir disabled root

<jester45> that?

<irawan> OK

<irawan> you got it

<jester45> searched it

<irawan> remove the # sign from #UserDir public_htm

<irawan> so just UserDir public_html

<jester45> k

<jester45> that it?

<irawan> save it

<pathagenx> I am in heaven

<jester45> ok

<jester45> so thats it

<jester45> now retry

<pathagenx> Noone pinch me. It feels so good. x}

<irawan> type sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart

<jester45> localhohst/~ryan

<irawan> you need to restart apache

<irawan> after the change

<pathagenx> try 127.0.0.1 - Just in case something is stupid with your hosts file

<jester45> its a the placeholder

<irawan> ????

<jester45> sould i of used 127.0.0.1/~ryan

<irawan> samething

<jester45> yeaaa

<irawan> have you restart your apache?

<jester45> the ~ryan did it

<pathagenx> it may be being pedantic but it is a good idea.

<irawan> yes

<jester45> it was closed when we where editing it

<jester45> but i do restart now

<irawan> restart computer?

<irawan> I mean, just restart your apache server :)

<jester45> yea i did

<jester45> now how do i add directorys to look at

<irawan> ok, after you restart, now try http://localhost/~ryan

<irawan> is it working now?

<jester45> yea

<irawan> right, anything you put in /home/ryan/public_html will appear there

<jester45> but al is see is INDEX OF RYAN then parent dirctory in the list

<jester45> o

<jester45> thats why

<irawan> because the folder is empty :)

<jester45> forgot about the public

<jester45> thanks

<irawan> if you want to try (not recommended) you can edit your apache2.conf again

<irawan> change the UserDir public_html to UserDir /home/ryan

<irawan> but I really don't recommend

<irawan> better to leave what it is now :)

<irawan> for security reasons

* irawan want to make a cup of coffee

<jester45> ok

<jester45> one more question

<jester45> if im at school how do i acces my sever

<jester45> the ip address

<jester45> and if so does it need a port

<pathagenx> I usually make directories for file sharing. /home/pub/ftp /home/pub/http /home/pub/smb - That way user permissions and junk are esier to keep track of.

<pathagenx> anyone have skype?

<jester45> so do i type in the ip:port

<jester45> or just ip

<irawan> jester45: what pathagenx said is that you can search in apache2.conf again and change /var/www to /home/pub

<jester45> o

<irawan> jester45: that's much more complicated

<jester45> k

<jester45> :(

<pathagenx> yea, sorry. XD

<jester45> so i cant get to my sever from outside my lan

<pathagenx> Your router may be broken,. It is common.

<jester45> i dont care about www.somethinghere.com

<irawan> jester45: well....

<jester45> i can remeber my ip

<jester45> its static

<irawan> try from your browser now, http://your_ip

<jester45> k

<irawan> does it work?

<pathagenx> You CAN get a dynamic DNS service, hooked to your router - Some router/modems have such internally. Otherwise, you need to go to www.whatismyip.com, put in your external IP and test it

<jester45> try this 66.249.72.129

<pathagenx> I hate people with static IPs! -Fumes jelously-

<jester45> i might get a dns later

<jester45> lol

<irawan> trying, I have slow connection

<pathagenx> negatory

<irawan> please be patient

<jester45> my router siad do you want static and i was sure static fun

<jester45> np

<pathagenx> Ah

<jester45> what you got

<pathagenx> hehe uhmm. X}

<jester45> did it work?

<irawan> still connecting

<pathagenx> go here http://www,findmyip.com

<pathagenx> nope

<jester45> it probly didnt work

<jester45> i did

<jester45> whatsmyip

<jester45> do you have dialup

<pathagenx> routers cannot dictate their IP - The ISP does that

<jester45> 69.179.159.179

<pathagenx> we are in

<jester45> yea

<jester45> now try it with ~ryan

<pathagenx> affirmative

<pathagenx> We have directory listing

<jester45> ok

<jester45> ok

<jester45> one sec

<pathagenx> now all you need is an index.html in your root directory

<jester45> yea

<jester45> i cant code html

<jester45> lol

<jester45> i can

<pathagenx> Start talking CGIs and I will scream at you. :}

<jester45> bet you didnt expect that i could

<pathagenx> mousepad <directory>/index.html

<jester45> yea

<irawan> I'm in 69.179.159.179/~ryan

<jester45> i used notpade b4

<jester45> notepad

<jester45> i was in windows

<irawan> I can see it, so hey it's working

<jester45> refresh

<jester45> i have music

<pathagenx> put this.. <html><head><title>moo</title></head><body>moo moo</body></html>

<irawan> jester45: it's working

<jester45> ownage

<jester45> no

<irawan> jester45: you have music there

<jester45> no no no moos

<irawan> I mean songs

<jester45> yea

<jester45> they my sis

<jester45> i jsut got linux going

<jester45> i get more in next fre weeks

<pathagenx> Then a directory listing is best

<jester45> few

<jester45> im gonna make

<pathagenx> then just dump them in there :}

<irawan> if you don't use index file, it will show the directory listing

<pathagenx> Now. Who has skype?

<jester45> <href="songhere"play this song</a>

<jester45> thats the right code right

<jester45> i havent did html for months

<irawan> I had, tried before, my Internet connection not good, skype removed

<jester45> whats skype

<pathagenx> <a href="target">text here</a>

<irawan> try www.skype.com

<jester45> yea i was right

<jester45> miss typed

<pathagenx> I have skype. Need to test

<irawan> jester45: congratulations for your web server :)

<jester45> hell yea

<pathagenx> Indeed.

<jester45> now

<irawan> pathagenx: sorry, my Internet connection is not good enough

<pathagenx> I wouldn't try apache

<jester45> how do i upload stuff to it

<pathagenx> It is ok Ira. I gathered that much

<jester45> do you have dialup?

<pathagenx> hehe... CGIs

<jester45> i dont under stand UPERCASE

<pathagenx> ftp is best for down/uploading

<jester45> yea

<jester45> i know

<pathagenx> Common Gateway Interfaces

<jester45> i was trying to get that up

<pathagenx> PHP, PERL, blah blah

<jester45> i want a code that makes each song i have in my song foler into a link

<pathagenx> I am no expert on the HTTP protocol but I am pretty sure that the POST method is too weak for that.

<jester45> o well

<irawan> jester45: what do you mean?

<jester45> school probly ban me if i used their bandwith

<pathagenx> could be done, using SH scripting as your CGI

<jester45> like

<pathagenx> but it would be uber insecure

<pathagenx> You can make your music folder into your root directory

<jester45> if file #1 is .mp3 make link with name of #1

<jester45> yea but there is a html command that playes the file in broswer

<jester45> streaming it

<irawan> sorry, can't help that, it's been years not coding :)

<jester45> i want music at school

<pathagenx> for F$ = *.mp3 ..

<jester45> i dont understand codeing at all

<jester45> could of made it more understandable

<jester45> ever look at java code

<jester45> its like this

<pathagenx> echo "<a href="F$.mp3" ".. ghah.. no

<jester45> {-12}

<jester45> -:;;3

<irawan> well, I think what you have now is good enough

<jester45> yea

<jester45> i will improve over weekend

<irawan> I mean, I can see the mp3s, and then I may download and play it here

<pathagenx> mhmm

<jester45> try it

<pathagenx> and you have left yourself open for SKiddies

<jester45> o well

<jester45> i will just take it off

<pathagenx> I dun like your music

<jester45> its my sis

<pathagenx> I was joking

<irawan> :D

<jester45> i only like the riding dirty

<irawan> lol

<pathagenx> Apache is quite secure

<jester45> it was funny

<jester45> beuase she is on a lan with me

<jester45> so when i searched her computer i dled a few songs

<jester45> and she ran upstairs and was like ryan ryan ryan

<jester45> the internet just went to 500

<jester45> and i was like duh beth your stupid

<jester45> i didnt cal her that

<jester45> i was like wow that cool

<jester45> i though it was funny as hell

<jester45> coool

<jester45> can wait

<jester45> i got computer class tomarro

<jester45> gonna be like

<jester45> yep

<jester45> thats my copmuter

<irawan> just wait until the helpdesk call you

<pathagenx> Linux is my computer class and my school is the interweb.

<jester45> ??

<jester45> what helpdesk

<jester45> lol i installed DSL on a computer for them

<pathagenx> DSL sucks

<pathagenx> crappy as hell

<jarrod_> hey what repository can I get gmake from?

<pathagenx> multiverse

<pathagenx> BBL

<stahnma> can anyone help me with an xorg conf for dual monitors?

<stahnma> I have done it before on Suse and red hat but am having no luck here on Debian

<Neo8750> edgy seems to run a little bitslower

<crimsun> how are you gauging that?

<Neo8750> on my average usage so far

<Neo8750> it also the new kernel doesn't like ndiswrapper

<crimsun> in what sense?

<Neo8750> but i'll brb

<crimsun> we don't have the latest ndiswrapper FWIW

<Neo8750> well i couldn't get my wireless card to work under it

* crimsun grumbles

<crimsun> how can gmusicbrowser possibly be the default "player" in Edgy if it doesn't even exist in the repo?

<Neo8750> !usplash

<ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before GNOME/KDE appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto

<visalmin> exit

<britt> how does one lock the screen without waiting x minutes

<irawan> britt: right-click on the panel, add new item

<britt> ok

<irawan> there's an option for log out or lock the screen

<britt> yeah

<britt> theres one ont he right side

<britt> i can only log out

<britt> not lock screen

<irawan> when you create at first time

<britt> or shutdown, restart, suspend, hibernate, etc.

<irawan> try once again

<irawan> create new

<irawan> then there's a combo box

<irawan> choose lock

<irawan> so, you can have log out button

<irawan> lock screen button

<irawan> or both

<irawan> britt: got it?

<britt> im a bit confuzzled

<britt> im in the add menu

<britt> and all i see is action buttons, which i already tried

<irawan> ok

<irawan> on the log out button you already have

<irawan> right click

<britt> got it

<britt> thanks

<britt> :)

<irawan> :)

<irawan> you can change via the properties of the button

<irawan> right-click --> properties

<britt> thx man

<britt> i love linux!

<britt> see ya

<Arden> What does Xubuntu have in the way of archive managers?

<irawan> xarchiver?

<Arden> *tries it out*

* Arden remembers /me command.

<Arden> Thankyou Ira

<irawan> irawan

*** Arden is now known as PathagenX

<PathagenX> It was supposed to do the tab thing

<irawan> :D

<PathagenX> I am embarking on such the major geek mission tonight.

<PathagenX> Linux installed onto my CDROMless Very old IBM thinkpad

<irawan> is it installed already?

<PathagenX> 365x I think

<PathagenX> Nupe

<irawan> I had a notebook with broken cdrom :)

<irawan> now got xubuntu in there

<PathagenX> Need to boot it via loadlin, so I can fix the lack of VESA support in DOS

<irawan> well, I got nothing in the harddrive before

<PathagenX> This is 100MHz PI with 40MB RAM and 1.5GB hdd

<PathagenX> Xubuntu is good but not THAT good.

<irawan> do you have pcmcia network card there?

<irawan> or maybe just network card, sorry

<PathagenX> I am looking into hacking up fvwm2's source code

<PathagenX> Yes

<irawan> so, you want to install it via windows?

<PathagenX> I am going to use TBRT or whatever it is called, to wget a system off of this box, over the network.. That is plan A

<PathagenX> Nah

<PathagenX> To do it via Windows, I would have to waste 500MB in an unused FAT

<irawan> there was a way to install ubuntu warty (netinstall)

<PathagenX> *VFAT

<irawan> that was what I did

<PathagenX> I hated Warty >.>

<PathagenX> Please forgive me. I am not being difficult on purpose

<irawan> netinstall warty, then dist-upgrade to dapper :)

<irawan> well, it was just for the base install

<irawan> after base-install, I then dist-upgrade it to dapper

<PathagenX> xarchiver looks and behaves much like file-roller oO

<irawan> then I install xubuntu-desktop

<irawan> yes

<PathagenX> like.. egsactly

<irawan> exactly

<irawan> or for you, after base install, you can then install fvwm2 + dependencies :)

<PathagenX> fvwm2 is so full of useless crap

<PathagenX> Looking at the source atm

<PathagenX> no optimizations in the changelog for years >.>

<irawan> why you look for fvwm2?

<PathagenX> it has served me well

<PathagenX> 2003-05-29 is the last fix that I would concider an optimization.

<PathagenX> http://flwm.sourceforge.net looks good

<PathagenX> By the guy that started/devs fltk :D

*** Gareth1 is now known as Gareth^

<PathagenX> Heaps of people are moving to fltk

*** Arden is now known as PathagenX

<PathagenX> Now I have to try and get an apache server running.. yay...

<sensei> Get them to run is no problems what so ever

<sensei> Could be tricky to get it to do what you want it to though ;)

<PathagenX> started it up. Stuck the desired file in /var/www and I am ready to go

<PathagenX> my laptop is playing 'How many "no route to host"s untill my user screams.

<HeathenDan> what's the best value-for-money laptop? acer, asus, benq, toshiba, fujitsu?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Depends entirely on the components.

<HeathenDan> i see

<PuMpErNiCkLe> They all make decent laptops.

<HeathenDan> if you're going for a <700$ laptop for office use (no gaming), what will you recommend?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That's not a very hefty requirement. Pretty much anything will fit.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd get something with a 17" screen, for the extra space, and not worry too much about the rest.

<HeathenDan> so, brand doesn't matter?

<HeathenDan> how about elite? heard anything good about it?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> I've heard basically nothign about it.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> s/nothign/nothing/

<HeathenDan> 17"? wow, i wonder if i can find a $700 with that

<HeathenDan> how about processor? i obviously don't need a core 2 duo or 64 bit... which is better: celeron, centrino or some AMD equivalent?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd go Intel, just for the chipset - they open-source their drivers, so driver support isn't a problem.

<Arden> I can't access my apache externally x.x

<Arden> got it

<Arden> this is gruling

<Arden> But it seems to be working

<richard_> right....

<richard_> so it's working? :)

<Arden> Intel Open sources?

<HeathenDan> but which is better, celeron or centrino? what's the diff anyway? i've never bought a laptop

<richard_> centrino

<HeathenDan> and the laptop will most likely be running xp with OOo... it's not exactly for me but for the office... i might not even get a chance to touch it after buying :p

<richard_> centrino > sempron 64 > celeron (netburst)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Centrino is a brand name, not a specific chip.

<richard_> pentium m, isnt it?

<richard_> ... with a different name

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Not specifically, no.

<HeathenDan> i see. what makes centrino (pentium m) diff from celeron? is it built specifically for laptops?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> It's the low-power all-in-one chip/chipset.

<HeathenDan> i see, so it's designed for low-power usage to conserve battery

<richard_> pentium m + 855/915M express + wireless

<HeathenDan> btw, i heard there's been probs with certain batteries being recalled. which brand is it so i can avoid that

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah. It uses mainly the Pentium M, Celeron M, and Core chips.

<richard_> or if you can, get a merom :)

<richard_> It can't be that expensive, can it?

<HeathenDan> merom? whassat?

<richard_> the brand new *flash* intel chipset

<richard_> well, processor

<richard_> like ze conroe

<PuMpErNiCkLe> It's the mobile version of their new Core 2 Duo lineup.

<HeathenDan> my office gave me a budget of about $700

* richard_ strangles self

<HeathenDan> the company's going to replace our aging duron desktops with low-cost laptops, and this initial purchase is to test the waters, so to speak

<richard_> celeron/sempron it is then :P

<richard_> has intel already released a 65nm celeron?

<HeathenDan> celeron/sempron? are centrinos above our price range?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah. The last one based on Prescott and the latest based on Yonah were 65nm.

<valet> hi All :)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> hi you

<valet> do u have any idea, why did they make xubuntu 6.06 with gdm?

<valet> it should be faster without it, not?

<valet> and another thing: xfce-4.3.9 is an unstable version, as i know

<valet> the stable release is xfce 4.2.3

<valet> i guess i should address to the xubuntu forum ))

<richard_> is easyubuntu really... "safe" to use in xubuntu?

<richard_> as in, will anything there require something like gnome to start up?

<richard_> I got flash to work for my p3 500mhz laptop, but I think it would be nice to be able to play/view all the other stuff... just in case

<irawan> richard_: yes you can use easyubuntu, or you can install each manually synaptic or apt-get or other package manager

<irawan> as far as I know, it need not gnome

<richard_> groovy :)

<qazqaz70> hi

<qazqaz70> if i donwnload anyfiles by this command wget ... (.diff) .. how can i install it ?

<qazqaz70> ?

<qazqaz70> please help

<qazqaz70> if i donwnload anyfiles by this command wget ... (.diff) .. how can i install it ?

<qazqaz70> help please

<qazqaz70> if i donwnload anyfiles by this command wget ... (.diff) .. how can i install it ?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Use 'patch' to apply the diff to the main source tree, then compile it.

<qazqaz70> help please

<qazqaz70> please help

<qazqaz70> id i download files xxx.tar.bz2 by wget command .. how can i install?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Uncompress it with your choice of archiving software ('bunzip2' and 'tar' recommended), then read the README inside for installation instructions.

<Neo8750> what excatly should be in the /etc/usplash.conf file?

<Neo8750> because since i'm booting off an older kernel (for wifi) my usplash errors saying that it can't open /etc/usplash.conf

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<Neo8750> hmm well i got a splash screen just not the one i wanted

<Neo8750> guess its better then an error

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<Neo8750> not whta i thought it was

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<twiggz> what do i need to apt-get in order to be able to compile things by hand on xubuntu?

<[1]Xavier> hello there !

<[1]Xavier> I need you help please...

<[1]Xavier> I want to install Xubuntu on an old computer Celeron 500 with 128 Ram... but the XFCE gui is too heavy for it, and i want to install with the default debian installer...

<[1]Xavier> is that possible ?

<twiggz> xfce gui is to heavy for 500mhz? LOL

<twiggz> since when?

<[1]Xavier> No... with the livecd

<[1]Xavier> :)

<twiggz> ive run it when no problems on 380mhz...

<twiggz> with*

<[1]Xavier> When i boot the Xubuntu Installer ...

<[1]Xavier> It's fuckinng sloooww

<[1]Xavier> because of X...

<twiggz> of course its slow

<twiggz> all livecds are slow

<[1]Xavier> 10 minutes at the first dialog "choose" a language.. ?

<[1]Xavier> I'm patient but...

<[1]Xavier> And which paramaters can I add to boot the debian installer ?

<[1]Xavier> (scuse my english..:()

<[1]Xavier> You see what i mean ?

<twiggz> you dont want the desktop cd then

<twiggz> they have a seperate cd for that iirc.

<[1]Xavier> hmm.....

<[1]Xavier> i see

<[1]Xavier> i don't see xubuntu edgy knot2 ...

<[1]Xavier> With the desktop CD i've downloaded, can I use the debian installer ?

<twiggz> i dont know.

<Neo8750> [1]Xavier: do youhave a tumbdrive??

<Neo8750> its not what is causing it but it can fix the problem

<[1]Xavier> (wait... i have to translate tumbrive in french)

<Neo8750> pen drive

<Neo8750> usb flash drive

<Neo8750> thumbdrive

<[1]Xavier> mhh i've got a usb drive (a creative mp3 player), but the motherboard (and the bios) is too old to boot on usb devices..;

<[1]Xavier> usb hard disk ( 4GB)

*** [1]Xavier is now known as in-ferno

<Neo8750> i had to use one of those and make a linux swap drive on it and boot with it pluged in the live cd saw the swap partiton and used it and it ran decent speed

<Neo8750> it was only way i could install

<Neo8750> other wise it crashed

<Neo8750> wellhung for hours

<in-ferno> I see... I then prefer to download the alternate CD because I don't want to part. my MP3 player :D

<Neo8750> yeah

<in-ferno> let's go then... Edgy Knot 2 isn't available yet.. .right ?

<Neo8750> i just mentioned becuase it was an easy fix (given have the hardware)

<in-ferno> http://fr.releases.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/edgy/knot-2/ the directory is empty :(

<Jamminpotato> !knot

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<jacquesdupontd> hi

<Jamminpotato> !edgy

<ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule

<Jamminpotato> !schedule

<ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule

<Jamminpotato> idk

<jacquesdupontd> im trying to do soomthin that seems impossible

<Jamminpotato> what is it

<jacquesdupontd> making a make load as root on startup

<jacquesdupontd> transparcyly

<jacquesdupontd> hehe

<jacquesdupontd> i mean without having to type root password

<jacquesdupontd> it's for a girl ;x

<Neo8750> that sounds secure =)

<jacquesdupontd> som1 know how to do this ?

<Neo8750> tell her to suck it up ;-P

<Neo8750> and tpye in the password ofc

<jacquesdupontd> ive been gogling without any satistfating result

<jacquesdupontd> already done she dont wnt

<jacquesdupontd> no realy it's impossible to do that as windows do it very easyly ?

<jacquesdupontd> easily

<in-ferno> thanks for your help (and for the trick which consists in making a swap part on an usb drive... :))

<in-ferno> Bye !

<jacquesdupontd> i mean that's amazing dont you think ?

<jacquesdupontd> me too i want a trick

<jacquesdupontd> hehe

<jacquesdupontd> i just want to make a "make load" in a path as root

<Neo8750> could try freespire

<jacquesdupontd> which is ?

<Neo8750> another distro based off debian

<jacquesdupontd> nah i wont change of distro just for doing such simple thing

<Neo8750> its kde based

<jacquesdupontd> so you confirm taht's its not possiblle ?

<calamari> hi

<Neo8750> i don't see why it wouldn't be possible

<jacquesdupontd> i know but ive just installed that one and i dont want to do another change

<jacquesdupontd> ah so

<jacquesdupontd> could you help me please ?

<Neo8750> freespire = free version of linspire

<jacquesdupontd> but i mean do it on xubuntu

<Neo8750> i have no idea how to do it but i'm pretty sure its possible

<Neo8750> although i think its not secure at all

<calamari> what are the minimum system requirements for xubuntu? haven't seen them online

<jacquesdupontd> i run it on ppc 300 mhz

<jacquesdupontd> 90 mhz memory

<calamari> how much disk space does it need for the install?

<jacquesdupontd> 2 gigz

<jacquesdupontd> aproximatly

<calamari> ahh.. I only have a 1gb hd

<jacquesdupontd> ouch

<jacquesdupontd> i have a 3gigz on

<jacquesdupontd> e

<jacquesdupontd> and after install i had 1 gig resting

<jacquesdupontd> 1.3

<jacquesdupontd> exactly

<calamari> is there a way to do a custom install and put less on?

<jacquesdupontd> ok so i will wait here to see if some1 can help me

<jacquesdupontd> not sure

<jacquesdupontd> im really newbie on it

<calamari> np, thanks for your help

<calamari> that gives me a good starting point of info to work with :)

<Neo8750> calamari: look at the alternative cd

<jacquesdupontd> no prblem

<jacquesdupontd> when i can help im happy to do it

<jacquesdupontd> yeah

<jacquesdupontd> i did alternative cd

<jacquesdupontd> this is for sure

<jacquesdupontd> you wont be able to run desktop

<calamari> Neo8750: I have not heard of that before

<jacquesdupontd> u ca be sure

<Neo8750> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Releases?action=show&redirect=XubuntuReleases

<twiggz> checking for perl5... no

<twiggz> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl

<twiggz> checking for /usr/bin/perl suitability... configure: error: no, unable to link

<twiggz> mike@Enigma:~/rxvt-unicode-7.9$

<twiggz> /usr/bin/perl exists.

<twiggz> mike@Enigma:/usr/bin$ ls perl*

<twiggz> perl perl5.8.7 perlbug perlcc perldoc perlivp

<twiggz> mike@Enigma:/usr/bin$

<Neo8750> perl -v

<twiggz> mike@Enigma:/usr/bin$ perl -v

<twiggz> This is perl, v5.8.7 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi

<twiggz> (with 1 registered patch, see perl -V for more detail)

<twiggz> Copyright 1987-2005, Larry Wall

<twiggz> Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the

<twiggz> GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit.

<twiggz> Complete documentation for Perl, including FAQ lists, should be found on

<twiggz> this system using `man perl' or `perldoc perl'. If you have access to the

<twiggz> Internet, point your browser at http://www.perl.org/, the Perl Home Page.

<twiggz> mike@Enigma:/usr/bin$

<Neo8750> odd

<Cosmo`> hi guys, i was actually looking into Xubuntu for my laptop

<Cosmo`> i see it's particularly suited for older hardware

<Neo8750> Cosmo`: i'm runing on a thinkpad t20 700 underclocked to 550

<Cosmo`> oh right, well my Laptop is only a P3 400

<Neo8750> it should run

<Cosmo`> mainly looking at this because it's quite expensive to upgrade to more than 128mb of RAM

<Neo8750> there people runing on 350 around here[

<Neo8750> i've only got 128 megs ram

<Cosmo`> is it quick enough ? imagine me having to deal with XP on that system ...

<twiggz> well, this is going to make me angry.....perl is there...where its supposed to be.....and i still cant compile the only damn program i need to compile by hand...

<Neo8750> if you have a pen drive (usb flash drive) i suggest before you goto install you make a swap partiton on it and f don't got thisuse the alternate cd

<Neo8750> Cosmo`: i personally think it runs better then xp would on my 550

<Cosmo`> it probably will i suspect

<Cosmo`> i had Debian running on an old P2 233 or something once

<Cosmo`> i'm just checking whether Xubuntu will accept all my hardware, particularly my wireless pc card

<Neo8750> i had to use ndiswrapper to get my wireless working

<Neo8750> wasn't hard

<calamari> Neo8750: thanks for that link

<Neo8750> np[

<ToHellWithGA> so is there really no plan to have a netboot installer?

<ToHellWithGA> i'd think it would be an easy modification to the ubuntu netboot installer

<Cosmo`> oh yeah that was my other question, i'd have to install by network

<Cosmo`> because this laptop doesn't have a CD-Rom drive

<ToHellWithGA> installing by network is inherently very very efficient

<Neo8750> not if you want to do multi install

<twiggz> hmm

<ToHellWithGA> you load an ethernet driver then load into memory the hardware detection bits and only install packages suited to your hardware

<twiggz> will the install atleast try to setup your wireless connection for you?

<calamari> Cosmo`: how big is your hd?

<ToHellWithGA> the CD installation model is terribly flawed if you need a kernel other than 386

<twiggz> i wouldnt know..i use wires.

<Neo8750> ToHellWithGA: yeah but that can be taken care of on first upgrade

<ToHellWithGA> the ubuntu CD installs the 386 kernel by default, while a net installation does the 686SMP kernel after detecting my pentium 4

<ToHellWithGA> it's a waste of space and packages

<Cosmo`> 6Gb calamari

<Neo8750> ToHellWithGA: its ment to support the most hard ware

<ToHellWithGA> on that subject, is there a way to trim my kernel to not have pointless modules?

<twiggz> recompile it...

<Neo8750> ToHellWithGA: recompile it

<calamari> ToHellWithGA: you can recompile your kernel

<ToHellWithGA> Cosmo`: i was able to install regular ubuntu on a 500 MHz pentium 3 with 128 MB ram and a 6 GB hard drive via netboot

<Cosmo`> cool, sounds about right

<threat2> werd

<ToHellWithGA> i'd have rather installed xubuntu but it has no netboot image

<Neo8750> ToHellWithGA: what allows netboot?

<Cosmo`> i was planning to boot from a floppy to boot via network

<ToHellWithGA> you must make a netboot floppy then boot to network

<ToHellWithGA> yeah, what Cosmo` said :)

<calamari> Cosmo`: I wonder if there is a way to install via an iso image on your hd

<Neo8750> i have no floppy

<Neo8750> in any system

<ToHellWithGA> calamari: but then you'd have wasted partitioned space

<Cosmo`> oh, does xubuntu support installing via floppy netboots ?

<calamari> ToHellWithGA: use it as swap

<Cosmo`> i can deal with that

<ToHellWithGA> with an old, low RAM computer, you couldn't put the whole install image in memory

<Neo8750> does xubuntu support sparc systems?

<ToHellWithGA> !sparc

<ubotu> Have a look here for Docs http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/install/sparc/ KnownIssues and TODO are on the wiki.

<Neo8750> looks like found new project for today

<calamari> ToHellWithGA: or repartition afterwards

<ToHellWithGA> i guess you could use parted to kill the old installation partition then expand the remaining ones

<ToHellWithGA> parted itself seems kinda finicky though. you can't use it while the partition is live, and it doesn't have options to restart and apply changes before rebooting

<Cosmo`> so, is it possible to install XUbuntu with simply floppies and a net connection ?

<ToHellWithGA> Cosmo`: afaik it is not

<Neo8750> actually no i won't

<ToHellWithGA> Cosmo`: i have idea :)

<Cosmo`> bugger

<Neo8750> i forgot its small hard drive and it already got RH install on it

<ToHellWithGA> to do an ubuntu netboot installation you can either use the tftp netboot image or use a CD on the server computer

<ToHellWithGA> perhaps you could use the xubuntu CD on that computer

<ToHellWithGA> it would still do the 386 kernel and some of that silliness, but would work

<Cosmo`> well you can install Ubuntu server first and then the xubuntu-desktop right ? so surely there is a live floppy option for Ubuntu

<ToHellWithGA> Cosmo`: there is, and i've worked on the wiki to simplify it :)

<Neo8750> !balou

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about balou - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<esc> anyone have experiance with going from MPEG to mp3

<Cosmo`> i'll work something out

<ToHellWithGA> esc: MPEG-2 tends to have mpeg 2 audio

<Cosmo`> i don't really want to install XUbuntu until next week because i have to do some network troubleshooting work and i'm familiar with XP

<threat2> hmmm well the new slayer album isn't bad

<ToHellWithGA> you would be transcoding and thus increasing noticable artifacts

<ToHellWithGA> threat2: isn't metal supposed to be bad?

<threat2> ToHellWithGA, no

<threat2> ToHellWithGA, only christain's and jews say that, and you know what happend to them

<ToHellWithGA> #1 you misspelled Christian, #2 that's a bigoted statement to make, and #3 i thought metal was supposed to be bad like dark, not bad like awful

<ToHellWithGA> evil bad :)

<threat2> ToHellWithGA, ssshhh

<crimsun> that's also misled, ToHellWithGA

<threat2> bigoted?

<threat2> jewish women have jewbs, and thats all I want to know about them

<threat2> so, how about that xunbuntu ?

<ToHellWithGA> yeah, saying that Christians and Jews are inherently against metal is silly. Tons of them listen to metal and tons of non-christians and non-jews listen to metal or hate it

<threat2> ToHellWithGA, yes, I know that, I just dislike religion all together, especially jews and christains :)

<threat2> and most of those religions are against metal

<threat2> ignore my generalisation if you are getting offended over it

<ToHellWithGA> please cut the bigotry. it goes against the code of conduct. you don't have to love everyone, but it would be better if you kept your opinions on more sensitive matters to yourself

<ToHellWithGA> i really don't care, but all of ubuntu's public forums and IRC channels are subject to the code of conduct

<threat2> bigotry?

<ToHellWithGA> Cosmo`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot

<threat2> ToHellWithGA, ok

<threat2> so who is this GA? and why should they go to hell?]

<ToHellWithGA> you said you're against jews and christians. that's picking a group and saying you hate them for being them

<twiggz> GA = georgia USA

<ToHellWithGA> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot

<ToHellWithGA> twiggz: not exactly

<threat2> ToHellWithGA, thats right, I also hate windows users

<threat2> ToHellWithGA, what you gunna do/

<threat2> :)

<ToHellWithGA> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology#Tech_traditions

<threat2> I like linux

<ToHellWithGA> i don't have to do

<threat2> :)

<threat2> hehye

<twiggz> well, right now im hating *ubuntu, i didnt have these problems compiling a simple damn program like rxvt-unicode

<twiggz> on zenwalk

<threat2> apt-get install a_clue

<twiggz> which by the way runs like a bat out of hell compared to this...

<ToHellWithGA> !tell twiggz about language

<threat2> then again I have had a few probs with ubuntu's packages

<twiggz> threat2, the binary was built with without --enable-transparency

<ToHellWithGA> the code of conduct is very very restrictive, in my opinion, but it can be respected

<twiggz> and it doesnt pay attention to my .Xdefaults file.

<threat2> but it is all about getting the source and compiling the deb packages your self

<twiggz> i need to compile it by hand.

<threat2> twiggz, nice

<twiggz> so, it fails.

<Neo8750> i think for somereason i don't have sound

<twiggz> nice ..a dumb msging bot.

<twiggz> fail

<ToHellWithGA> twiggz doesn't understand that ubotu is a dumb multi-purpose bot but i didn't care to spam the channel

<esc> how to i turn an audio CD into mp3 files

<esc> with a nice gui please

<ToHellWithGA> esc: i'd recommend soundjuicer if you want mp3

<ToHellWithGA> if your goal was lossless audio as an archival copy, i'd use EAC under WINE and follow a thorough guide

<esc> !soundjuicer

<ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundjuicer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi

<ToHellWithGA> !info soundjuicer

<ubotu> Package soundjuicer does not exist in any distro I know

<ToHellWithGA> :(

<esc> ah thats it

<ToHellWithGA> !info sound-juicer

<ubotu> sound-juicer: GNOME 2 CD Ripper. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14.4-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 500 kB, installed size 2600 kB

<ToHellWithGA> ;)

<esc> i'll give it a shot

<esc> sudo aptitude install sound-juicer

<esc> oups

<esc> that was supposed to go to the console ;-)

<ToHellWithGA> you just installed it on the IRC server, you joker, you

<ToHellWithGA> now mail your CDs to FreeNode and they'll rip them for you using the IRC server

<esc> grml

<esc> what about mp3 with "mistakes"

<esc> and skips

<esc> can i repair them somehow

<esc> some numpty hippy has sent me a load of music in totally the wrong formats

<esc> and some of it is bust

<ToHellWithGA> nope

<esc> bummer

<ToHellWithGA> that's why i only download (and rip) losslessly with EAC

<esc> it should be fine with 192 kbps

<ToHellWithGA> that program can do flawless ripping on linux+WINE on a slow old computer

<ToHellWithGA> if you have a few minutes, EAC under WINE really is a good way to rip

<esc> what format will it rip to?

<ToHellWithGA> mp3, FLAC, ogg, anything

<esc> and i have a winPC sitting next to this ubox

<ToHellWithGA> oh rock on then. exactaudiocopy.de

<esc> hmmm

<esc> i have an audio CD that fails to load on a Pioneer CDJ 1000 MK 3

<ToHellWithGA> using EAC with LAME will produce the best quality mp3 files possible b/c EAC accounts for inter-track gaps

<ToHellWithGA> have you lubed the CD with vaseline?

<esc> what size will they be in

<esc> no its not a scratch

<ToHellWithGA> you decide. LAME is a general purpose mp3 encoder

<esc> hair gel works too btw

<esc> anyway

<ToHellWithGA> using the command line option "--alt-preset extreme" will make best quality VBR mp3 with an average around 200-230kbps

<esc> my pioneer won't read it

<ToHellWithGA> hair gel is stupid

<ToHellWithGA> vaseline is cheaper and less sticky

<esc> my linux box won't read it

<esc> only my windows rubbishy thingy

<ToHellWithGA> my old DVD-ROM reads some discs my newer drives cannot

<ToHellWithGA> this is so xubuntu-related :)

<esc> ummm

<esc> #offtopic

<ToHellWithGA> i won't tell if you don't tell

<esc> well it started being a conversation about how to do audio ripping in xubuntu

<esc> anyway, no ops around

<esc> but yeah i get you

<ToHellWithGA> if you put your good CD/DVD drive in the xubuntu box, you could tweak EAC and WINE

<crimsun> sure there are ops around.

<ToHellWithGA> crimsun: who's the cat who does audio development for ubuntu?

<crimsun> what do you mean by "development"?

<esc> has anyone ever been kicked for being off-topic?

<crimsun> yes.

<esc> wow

<Lobster> WoW its not topic of this chan!

<ToHellWithGA> i mean the guy who helps make the gstreamer packages and such

<crimsun> ToHellWithGA: that's part of gnome

<ToHellWithGA> he zipped right through a problem regarding my chipset when i was running breezy

<crimsun> we call that part of the desktop distro team, so that would be Seb*stians/Daniel

<ToHellWithGA> somebody makes the .deb packages, and i think he is in #ubuntu but i'd never guess his nick :/

<esc> so

<ToHellWithGA> also, i'm finna try that xubuntu via network installation thing. it could be very cool :)

<crimsun> When one refers to "audio," I tend to think driver-level not app-level.

<crimsun> (That's only relevant for perhaps me.)

<ToHellWithGA> that's my issue though. perhaps i'm talking about the wrong thing.

<crimsun> is there an issue? If so, you haven't described it.

<ToHellWithGA> when i move the mouse across the desktop with analog or digital audio input playing through my digital output, it either loses synch or mutes

<ToHellWithGA> it only happens on the desktop, not over windows

<crimsun> which driver are you using?

<ToHellWithGA> ice1712

<crimsun> 2.6.15-26.46?

<ToHellWithGA> crimsun: please tell me the command to say what the kernel is :)

<ToHellWithGA> uname?

<crimsun> dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'

<ToHellWithGA> 2.6.15-26-686

<crimsun> no, not uname.

* ephemeros excuse me everybody, this is important: http://cioby.lnx.ro/shots/sandwich.png

<ToHellWithGA> it is .46

* ephemeros hello! \m/

<ToHellWithGA> ephemeros: it's from xkcd.com

<ephemeros> hmmm...i saw this for the firs time :))

<crimsun> ToHellWithGA: does it happen with aplay, too?

<crimsun> ToHellWithGA: test case: quit X Window System, log in multiple terminals, do stuff, try to reproduce the symptom without X Window System running

<ephemeros> ToHellWithGA: is that the norwegian weird humour?

<ToHellWithGA> crimsun: it's a desktop-specific problem

<ToHellWithGA> it's only in X

<ToHellWithGA> i cannot make it happen without mousing across the desktop

<ToHellWithGA> which is exactly why i need to tell it to the guy who works on ubuntu's soundsystem

<crimsun> you're talking to him.

<crimsun> and if you can't reproduce it without being in X Window System, it's not specific to ALSA

<ToHellWithGA> oh, hi

<ToHellWithGA> how you doin?

<crimsun> which means you have a hardware quirk that Windows works around

<crimsun> (and obviously there's very little that I personally can do in that case)

<ToHellWithGA> of course, of course

<ToHellWithGA> is there perhaps something i should tail to watch what's happening?

<crimsun> not if you're using the default alsa

<ToHellWithGA> in envy24control, when monitoring the input levels, i still see the levels when it drops out

<crimsun> debugging info isn't enabled for alsa by default

<ToHellWithGA> perhaps i should turn it on...somehow

<ToHellWithGA> does that mean getting alsa's source and building it with options to show debugging output?

<Neo8750> is there a way to make the background for the graphical login a differnt color ?

<Neo8750> when i loads it load bluethen switches to the theme i am runing

<ToHellWithGA> Neo8750: my favorite method is placing the magnet from a blown speaker on top of my CRT

<ToHellWithGA> it does more than teh login screen though :/

<Neo8750> i don't want the blue and even if i was dumb enough to try i am on a laptop

<Neo8750> does the GA mean genuine authenication aka WGA

<Neo8750> or georgia?

<ToHellWithGA> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology#Tech_traditions

<Neo8750> got ya

<crimsun> ToHellWithGA: yes, you can, but it won't show you anything out of the ordinary for the actual motherboard

<crimsun> it's not your sound card, so alsa built with debugging info won't help

<ToHellWithGA> would the next step be to assume it's the mouse or X or the card's driver?

<crimsun> what is "card" referring to?

<crimsun> (it won't be alsa, so not the sound driver)

<ToHellWithGA> ah, it's an M-Audio Audiophile 2496

<crimsun> are you using a binary-only X Window System driver?

<ToHellWithGA> ice1712 chipset, 2x analog input, 2x analog output, 1x coaxial digital in, 1x coaxial digital out, 1x midi in, 1x midi out

<ToHellWithGA> how would i find that?

<crimsun> inspect the output from ``grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log''

<ToHellWithGA> i'm using the i810 video driver

<ToHellWithGA> i915 chipset

<ToHellWithGA> crimsun: i appreciate your efforts at helping me. i'll be back here later or in #ubuntu-offtopic, but now i must go. thanks

<earthian> hello

<earthian> i have noticed that there is not alsa in xfce?

<earthian> the mixer shows only my sound card on board chip and default

<earthian> where is alsa?

<earthian> :S

<earthian> explain me plz

<earthian> ?

<crimsun> huh?

<crimsun> cat /proc/asound/cards

<earthian> crimsun, it shows the card i have.

<earthian> but how to make xubuntu use alsa like i make it in gnome?

<earthian> where i select the prefered playback/recoring device

<earthian> or smth

<earthian> do you know what i am talking about?

<crimsun> please explain yourself more explicitly.

<crimsun> I can infer that you have multiple sound devices, but until you state as much, it's only a surmise.

<earthian> i have one integrated sound card

<earthian> however i have not seen xfce desktop using alsa in its mixer

<earthian> and now my sounds gone :S

<earthian> anyway... is there any way to undelete things?

<earthian> like a trash or so?

<twosharp> hi =) can anyone please check the command for launching the xfce4-screenshooter-plugin? i just installed it, but cant find any way to launcgh it :s

<crimsun> earthian: thunar has a trash can in 6.10, yes

<earthian> where i do locate it?

<crimsun> earthian: all the *buntus use ALSA as a base. What explicitly are you trying to accomplish?

<crimsun> earthian: if you're not running edgy/6.10, you won't have it by default

<earthian> edgy?

<earthian> :o

* earthian cries

<earthian> i have accidentaly deleted my desktop folder

<earthian> :(

<Neo8750> earthian: remake it

<earthian> what about the files in it? :(

<Neo8750> they are gone

<Neo8750> trash is not implmented in xubuntu 6.06

<earthian> is there any way to make the file properties dialog show full file path?

<Neo8750> [thats in edgy the next release of *ubunut which is still in alpha stages

<earthian> i see

<earthian> is there any way to make the file properties dialog show full file path?

<Neo8750> ?

<earthian> smth like in windows

<earthian> when you right-click on a file or folder and choose there "properties"

<earthian> then there a dialog appears

<earthian> at the moment it shows name type permissions and other stuff

<Neo8750> oh i don't know

<earthian> would be nice to see root relative path :S

<earthian> like /home/earthian/Desktop/my_stuff/my_doc.doc

<earthian> :S

<earthian> is there any developer that would implement it? )

<earthian> :)

<Neo8750> !thunar

<ubotu> thunar: File Manager for Xfce. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.0+r21789-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 368 kB, installed size 2632 kB

<Neo8750> bah

<Neo8750> google thunar

<Neo8750> and look about ther

<Neo8750> oh remeber it http://thunar.xfce.org/

<Neo8750> grr the beta firefox crashes when i goto http://userfriendly.org

<Neo8750> same with dilbert

<hypa7ia> i just wanted to say

<hypa7ia> xubuntu is awesome

* hypa7ia cheers

*** Gareth1 is now known as Gareth^

<Gareth^> that it does hypa7ia, that it does

<hypa7ia> :D

<hypa7ia> i just netinstalled ubuntu-server onto a semi-ancient toughbook

<hypa7ia> and apt-got xubuntu-desktop

<hypa7ia> magic :D

* earthian wants to change his windows appearance

<earthian> any suggestion? :)

<alex_> hello! I've been having this problem since I installed Xubuntu about a week ago. My computer plays no sound at all, from any application. I've used alsa to make sure the volume levels were high, but still nothing. can anyone help?

<hypa7ia> alex_: what kind of soundcard?

<alex_> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

<hypa7ia> hmm, so some sort of built in card

<alex_> I think so

<hypa7ia> i don't really know what to suggest, but if you ask on the forum or elsewhere i'd specify that that's your card

<alex_> okay, I will.

<hypa7ia> good luck :)

<alex_> thanks

<hypa7ia> i'd lurk a bit in here too to see if anyone else replies

<alex_> yeah, i was here a few days ago looking for help with the same problem. TheSheep reccomended a bunch of things, but nothing worked. I'm not finding any help on the ubuntu forums either.

<hypa7ia> alex_: try the xubuntu-specific forum

<alex_> actually, I just re-read the Comprehensive Sound Problem Solutions Giude and I think I may be doing something that'll help

<crimsun> hmm, my @sound@ highlight is broken again

<maxamillion> hello world

<sensei> hello rellim!

<maxamillion> :)

<maxamillion> how are you?

<sensei> Knackered :) You?

<maxamillion> working

<maxamillion> nothing exciting though ... just running ghost images to new machines

<sensei> Fun fun! :)

<sensei> Funnier than me though, wrote a photo gallery in PHP at work today, lol

<sensei> sucked major amounts of arse

<maxamillion> i can imagine

<maxamillion> i did something similar non-dynamic in javascript once ... and i don't know javascript, it was very google oriented

<sensei> Yeah, it was the dynamic part of it that made it boring and time consuming.. and the fact that it had to integrate with a CMS

<sensei> I'm all for variation at work, but preferrable not that kind of change :)

<maxamillion> CMS?

<sensei> Content Management System

<maxamillion> ah, rgr

<sensei> You feed data into forms, and out comes a site

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Fisher Price : My First Webpage.

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> i need to eventually learn PHP ...

<maxamillion> i've been told its not hard for someone with C++ or Java experience ... i just haven't put any time into it

<sensei> Nah, not hard.. Just forget everything you know, speak C with a broken accent and you're safe

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> fair enoufh

<maxamillion> enough*

<maxamillion> no wonder my professor said its a horrible language

<sensei> I just can't come over that it's not typed.. and I constantly forget to prefix everything with $

<sensei> And the error reporting! *shrug*

<maxamillion> yeah ... bleh

<maxamillion> ironically most of the web stuff at my university is written in COBOL because thats what they did back in the day and now its just maintained

<sensei> That's sad

<sensei> Remind me to not attend your uni ever :)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Hey, COBOL.

<PuMpErNiCkLe> I could almost see that working...

<maxamillion> i dunno ... i know we have PHP everywhere but i got an email today about a couple programmer positions opened up for cobol

<sensei> Oh for fuckness sake!! I just migrated from Sweden, and left a swwtheart at home which I've really fancied for like a year.. and NOW that I've moved 2000 km away, she tells me she fancies me as well

<PuMpErNiCkLe> "Your beard must be at least this long to apply for this job..." :)

* sensei punches faith in the face

<sensei> lol PuMpErNiCkLe

<gnomefreak> sensei: watch your language

<Arden> I don't like GTK2 but it is seaming to work

<archangelpetro> how do i stop dhclient (dhcp) from automatically changing my nameserver's ip to 192.168.1.1 in /etc/resolv.conf?

<Arden> netconfig

<archangelpetro> hehe thanks :D, am brand new to ubuntu

<archangelpetro> hmm..

<archangelpetro> netconfig.. isnt a command?

<Arden> Ubuntu dun have it

<Arden> XD

<crimsun> netconfig is of RH origin iirc

<sensei> gnomefreak: I'll totally respect it. But I think it's one of the sillier things.. I mean unless someone really goes at it with cusswords, it's just plain silly. We're mostly adults here, and the one's not adult has probably stumbled upon enough scat porn on the rest of the internet to not be offended.

<Arden> Slackware actually

<gnomefreak> ifconfig be the same

<Arden> ifconfig be more complicated

<gnomefreak> sensei: we have 8 year olds on irc using ubuntu channels

<Arden> hold on..

<sensei> gnomefreak: So all of us 100000 adults will adapt to these two 8 year olds? Anyways, nothing to debate I guess, you run the show.. I've made my point. I'll be a saint from now on.

<gnomefreak> sensei: you dont get it we have alot of younger kids on here

<gnomefreak> sensei: we have 14 year old developers that come on here

<Arden> Sensei: They are the rules and they have a reason. Respect the rules and the other users of this channel by following the rather standard and fairly casual rules, or stop setting a bad example and leave.

<gnomefreak> sensei: just because you are an adult doesnt mean everyone is

<archangelpetro> master Ardennight you suggest a way in which i can prevent this happening

<archangelpetro> ?

<archangelpetro> Arden: *

*** Arden is now known as PathagenX

<gnomefreak> sensei: lets say im 10 years old

<sensei> PathagenX: Chill, don't try and score points here. I already said he runs the show and that I didn't exepect a debate.

*** ChanServ sets mode: +o gnomefreak

<gnomefreak> :)

<PathagenX> I'm not. Skiddies that think they are above common decency annoy the heck out of me.

<gnomefreak> sensei: just because you are an adult doesnt make everyone please read the coc before trying to debate rules thank you

*** ChanServ sets mode: -o gnomefreak

<sensei> Eh come on..

<archangelpetro> hmm.

<PathagenX> OK. Looking for help with net guy's problem

<archangelpetro> asking questions surely isnt annoying?

<sensei> "Anyways, nothing to debate I guess, you run the show.. I've made my point. I'll be a saint from now on."

<archangelpetro> :)

<archangelpetro> merci

<gnomefreak> sensei: the coc and the guidelines run the show

<PathagenX> OH!

<PathagenX> lol

<gnomefreak> please /msg ubotu coc and than /msg ubotu rules and read them they run the show

<sensei> Yes, my point being that I didn't try and debate rules. I just stated my opinion and EXPLICTLY said that I wasn't looking for a debate

<PathagenX> XFce Menu -> System -> Networking

<gnomefreak> sensei: you said were all adults you dont know anyones age in here

<PathagenX> That will allow you to configure your networking the.. Gnomish way..

<archangelpetro> i do appreciate your help PathagenX, thank you :)

<sensei> gnomefreak: Just drop it, alright? You're the man! You're waaay up there.. You're decency personified! I'm white trash and a lower being. Really.. just drop it now

<sensei> I won't cuss anymore

<gnomefreak> gnomeish way what happened to xubuntuish way

<PathagenX> Uhmm.. No. Still very Gnomish.

<archangelpetro> bah, i've enabled root account :/ will have to circumvent this little issue :P

<squirrelizer> hi

<PathagenX> sudo is the best way

<PathagenX> Side steps like a million security issues

<squirrelizer> i just noticed, that on a fresh ubuntu/xubuntu install a window pops up asking me for my password, if i plug in a cryptsetup-encrypted disk

<PathagenX> Hai squirrelizer

<squirrelizer> my older installation doesn't do that

<archangelpetro> i understand that PathagenX but.. im alot more accustomed to having root :P

<squirrelizer> squirrelpimp, hey there stupid non-mounting pc

<squirrelizer> :)

<archangelpetro> and as you see, i'm not exactly an uber-guru atm :P so i'll stick to what i know for the time being :P

<archangelpetro> hehe

<squirrelizer> so i'd like to know which process does that magic... but i couldn't find one suspectable of that

<squirrelizer> where should i look for the process to start to enable that automount behaviour

<squirrelizer> ?

<PathagenX> I know. Me too. On my slackware laptop, it is the only account I have. I am a Windozer from way back, so the idea of NOT being administrator of my own OS bugs me.

<PathagenX> squirrelizer: One sec

<squirrelizer> PathagenX: k

<archangelpetro> heheh aye PathagenX makes me feel like i'm on a boat without oars

<PathagenX> Okies.. Wow, busy

<PathagenX> squirrelizer, what kind of encrypted file system is it?

<maxamillion> guh .... ghosting is a pain in the ass .... for some reason it is picky about its keyboards

<PathagenX> SFS? Cryptloop?

<squirrelizer> a cryptsetup-enabled one

<PathagenX> I guess you forgot the password?

<squirrelizer> i suppose i'd have a look at the automounter, if i only found it

<squirrelizer> it's not pmount running and not ivman (breezy)

<squirrelizer> nonono... i know the password

<squirrelizer> but i want it automounting on squirrelpimp's machine, too

<squirrelizer> :)

<maxamillion> did pmount replace hotplug?

* squirrelizer is the question-asker

<maxamillion> rgr

<maxamillion> i think it did, i'm just not sure

<maxamillion> brb ...

<squirrelizer> but what calls pmount on a plugin?

<maxamillion> back

<maxamillion> and i don't know

<tooster> hio

<maxamillion> yo

<maxamillion> how goes it tooster?

<Neo8750> is there a way to revert back to firefox 1.5 rather then 2.0?

<Neo8750> in edgy

<maxamillion> Neo8750: no, don't think so

<Neo8750> stinks becuase 2.0 crashes on me

<Neo8750> like when goto http://userfriendly.org or http://www.dilbert.com

<Neo8750> think its popup

<Neo8750> s

<tooster> maxamillion: hum allright so long, i just have moved to a other city and now I have those nasty aftereffects

<PathagenX> I am on 1.6 and I am fine

<PathagenX> I love User Friendly

<PathagenX> I am a UFy

<Neo8750> but 2.0 is problem

<rofl0r> u can use opera...

<maxamillion> yeah ... just install swiftfox for the time being ... www.getswiftfox.com/ubuntu.htm

<maxamillion> Neo8750: ^

<maxamillion> Neo8750: swiftfox is basically firefox with a little stream line, i'm not a big fan of it but if your current firfox is unstable then its not a bad alternative

<tooster> Neo8750: isnt is possible that you remove 2.0 download the sources or deb packet for the 1.6 ??

<PathagenX> a faster firefox?

<maxamillion> tooster: well ... you would have to apt-get remove firefox, dpkg --purge firefox, and then change the apt-get repos back to dapper and install it and that might not work because of dependencies and could cause more problems in the system then it is worth

<maxamillion> PathagenX: they claim it to be so

<PathagenX> Woohoo!

<maxamillion> i was really hungry and all i had in the office was 2 candy bars and after i ate them i realized it was still healthier than 1 big mac from mcdonald's and that's sad

<tooster> maxamillion: uh didnt thought that this is that heyvy

<PathagenX> Firefox doesn't seem slow but if they say so.. It is compiled machine specific.... I wonder if all they did was -o2 the make and call it optimized XD

<maxamillion> PathagenX: probably

<maxamillion> tooster: huh?

<PathagenX> I dun see a changelog anywhere

<archangelpetro> bah

<archangelpetro> stupid sudo idea

<archangelpetro> cant get into xfcemenu, it asked for pass, was neither root nor std user.. and now doesnt seem to work.. might have to longin as root

<PathagenX> You can tell sudo to not ask for passwrods for the user account, doing certain things.

<PathagenX> /etc/sudoers

<archangelpetro> i commented out... # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges

<archangelpetro> # %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL

<jester45> hey all

<Neo8750> well obviously its firefox

<Neo8750> because swiftfox does same thing

<jester45> can linux make shortcuts to programs/folders

<PathagenX> okies.. *breaths*

<maxamillion> jester45: yes

<tooster> jester45: yes

<tooster> hrhr

<maxamillion> Neo8750: yeah ...

<PathagenX> Neo - Stop going unstable and try a stable release some time.

<maxamillion> jester45: what you trying to do?

<PathagenX> Jester sudo ln -s <target> <shortcut>

<jester45> maxamillion: how i can just drag and drop like in windows

<Neo8750> maxamillion: no it did the same thing

<PathagenX> that too

<Neo8750> PathagenX: thanks for the suggestion

<PathagenX> did you remove one package, before trying the other?

<Neo8750> ...

<Neo8750> yeah

<maxamillion> jester45: drag and drop what?

<PathagenX> and does dpkg call ldconfig?

<PathagenX> I dunno how deb packaging works >.>

<jester45> in windows if your try to drag and drop an program it makes a short cut

<maxamillion> Neo8750: ohhh ... wait, the 1.5.06 swiftfox crashed just like the 2.0 firefox?

<Neo8750> maxamillion: yes

<maxamillion> jester45: ohhh, yeah ... no ... you can't do that

<maxamillion> jester45: well, gnome or kde might ... but that is newb-tastic

<PathagenX> jester45, apt-get rox-filer

<maxamillion> Neo8750: ok, then it is probably a dependancy that doesn't have a stable package

<PathagenX> that will let you drag and drop alotta stuff

<maxamillion> PathagenX: oooo, good idea ...

<maxamillion> jester45: yeah, rox-filer you will enjoy

<PathagenX> I lurve it

<PathagenX> it's single-click-tastic

<jester45> k

<maxamillion> :P

<Neo8750> wonder what dependancy it could be

<PathagenX> I reccomend using firefox-1.6

<PathagenX> not swiftfox, nor the beta2

<PathagenX> open up synaptic

<PathagenX> and do 'fix broken packages'

<Neo8750> ...

<Neo8750> that won't do anythinh

<PathagenX> Have you tried?

<jester45> hey guys

<Neo8750> considering i'm runing edgy yeah

<PathagenX> Where possible, always use synaptic/apt-get

<jester45> quick qesation

<PathagenX> dpkg -r firefox; apt-get install firefox

<jester45> i have apache2 http server running

<PathagenX> that will fix your problem. Ghah. Apache x.x

<jester45> do you knwo if it starts when my system does

<PathagenX> test it

<jester45> there is no window

<jester45> and i cant restart now

<jester45> i guess i could later

<Neo8750> PathagenX: so you think so

<PathagenX> on a fresh session, use firefox to open localhost

<jester45> i know its on now

<PathagenX> oh wait. is firefox2.0 called firefox2?

<jester45> no

<Neo8750> no

<PathagenX> then yea.

<PathagenX> dpkg -r firefox; apt-get install firefox

<Neo8750> are you talking to me?

<PathagenX> Your problem, for using edgy

<Neo8750> so is that a yes or a no ffs

<PathagenX> yes Neo

<PathagenX> Give it a try. apt-get is a handy manager indeed

<maxamillion> jester45: when you first boot just open a web browser and go to 127.0.0.1 in the browser bar and see if you get an apache welcome page, if so then it started with the machine

<Neo8750> well your solution 1 doesn't work because edgy uses firefox 2 beta as defualt

<Neo8750> so removing the package and reinstalling it will do nothing

<PathagenX> ghah. Why are you using Edgy?

<maxamillion> lol

<maxamillion> i tell everyone not to touch it until atleast knot 4 or 5, but nobody listens to me

<PathagenX> It's like Ubuntu Vista, Beta2

<Neo8750> because i want for one and i was hopeing to help with bug reports

<PathagenX> x.x

<maxamillion> i have work to do ... ttyl

<jester45> maxamillion:yea i know but i cant restart now i will try later

<PathagenX> seeya

<maxamillion> PathagenX: never cross ubuntu with vista again, i almost just vomitted

<PathagenX> XD

<maxamillion> jester45: oh ok

<maxamillion> :P

<maxamillion> later everyone!

<PathagenX> I was waiting for a sharp reaction.

<archangelpetro> :)

<PathagenX> So then I asked, "Who was the sentient plant that blasted me with solar beam?!", to which they all replied, "Sunflora! Sunflora!". I never did find out who this 'Sunflora' barstard was.

<jester45> how do you get to a usb device

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Depends on the USB device, and what you want to do with it.

<jester45> ooo

<jester45> never mind i didnyt have it puged in now its on my desktop

<squirrelizer> so no one knowing what process is responsible for automounting?

<jester45> aa great i opened 32 xfmedias i figured it would enquen them

<squirrelizer> grep pmount /etc/udev/rules.d/* doesn't give anything

<squirrelizer> so pmount might not be it

<squirrelizer> where else could i search

<squirrelizer> cmon

<squirrelizer> :)

<PuMpErNiCkLe> Check out hal.

<tooster> who knows a good samba client with a nice gui?

<PuMpErNiCkLe> http://qa.mandrivalinux.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/HotPluggableHardwareRemovableMedia

<Jamminpotato> screw hal he killed those guys who went to saturn 5 years ago

<PuMpErNiCkLe> That gives a semi-detailed view of how it works.

<squirrelizer> PuMpErNiCkLe: i think, there can't be missing much on my older desktop-installation which also was a straight dapper install

<squirrelizer> there should only be some permission-issue or somnething similar

<jester45> is there a way to check my network for security problems

<PuMpErNiCkLe> jester45: Yeah, tons of ways. Any security problem in particular?

<jester45> no

<jester45> any easy way to send files to a windows machine from linux

<jester45> and to get them back later

<PathagenX> samba

<PathagenX> it is very simple, once it is set up

<PathagenX> sudo apt-get jags

<jester45> so i can send it to window from linux with out putting it on the windows

<PathagenX> mhmm

<jester45> putting samba on it

<PathagenX> Samba is the UNIX method of SMB networking, aka - Windows Networking.

<PathagenX> jags is quite a friendly interface for it

<jester45> so the windows will not need samba on it

<jester45> it just lets my linux talk to windows

<PathagenX> mhmm

<jester45> its my sisters computer

<PathagenX> mhmm

<jester45> but she said i could use but she dosent want me to install apps

<jester45> im staying in the guidelines

<PathagenX> very wise

<jester45> see

<jester45> nothing she said i cant do

<jester45> and i made a folder on her computer with full access and its hidden (she cant figure how ot see it)

<Andrew67> portable apps are a must on that folder ;)

<PathagenX> go to Settings -> Preferences

<PathagenX> set it up to work on your network

<jester45> ?

<PathagenX> did you sudo apt-get jags ?

<jester45> not yet

<jester45> makeing sure i dont have to install it to the windows computer

* PathagenX sighs.

<jester45> i have a http server up for acces at school but now i need to get extra back up space :) :)

<jester45> ok its done

<PathagenX> go to Settings -> Preferences

<Andrew67> jester45: samba works 100% with windows

<PathagenX> set it up to work on your network

<Andrew67> no worries

<Andrew67> it actually had problems with my other XP Home box (now Kubuntu, teehee) because its more advanced

<jester45> my jags window is all white

<PathagenX> a handy color to have. If it was magenta, your eyes would be bleeding.

<PathagenX> are you using Edgy aswell? oO

<Andrew67> dont insult magenta, its only good for defining as a transparent color ;)

<jester45> yep 1000:1 contrast on highest brightness and contrast

<jester45> no

<jester45> ok im in the preferances

<PathagenX> You can handle that stuff.

<jester45> i dont know what to do

<jester45> i didnt even know what to use

<jester45> do i change the workgroup to MSHOME

<jester45> thats what the windows machine is on

<Andrew67> it's not that hard, you'll find that Linux->Windows is going to be much harder than trying Linux->Linux

<PathagenX> if that is the name of your workgroup, then MSHOME it is.

<PathagenX> Finally fixed the freaken colors

<PathagenX> Think I got the order right.. Stupid XChat

<PathagenX> CGA Styles!

<PathagenX> Just not the same, without giant pixels..

* sensei notes OK-words for emphasis

<PathagenX> watching linux installations on youtube

<JKnife> I still say drop firefox and thunder bird.. and use Opera =)

<JKnife> total install on a default setup is like 8 megs

<JKnife> and starts faster the Firefox

<JKnife> well time for Counter-Strike:Source =)

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