<quail> i am da man :-D

<siccness> I believe I am

<cafuego> Sorry to disappoint you both.

<quail> i got my sound running on my laptop

<siccness> that ext-driver for win32 sucks

<Kamping_Kaiser> theres a driver?

<siccness> yea

<siccness> reads/writes ext2/3

* Kamping_Kaiser decides aiglx will be on the todo list when he gets home

<Kamping_Kaiser> i only use(d) xplore2fs

<Kamping_Kaiser> *explore

<siccness> i think thats what i was using

<siccness> didnt work properly

<Kamping_Kaiser> i'm using xgl now, its not working properly... or wasnt, before the driver upgrade

* Kamping_Kaiser hasnt tried compiz after upgrade yet

<siccness> i wanna boot into linux so badly but i need to get this novell stuff workin

<Kamping_Kaiser> anyhow. bbl. tech support at a mates place

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, :(

* Kamping_Kaiser has an instal cd in a box behind him. just needs <enter> pressed to start

<siccness> catch K_K

<Kamping_Kaiser> later mtae

<siccness> heh

<quail> Kamping_Kaiser: i got the sound working on my laptop

<siccness> He's gone I think mate

<quail> i running the latest alsa drivers that i had to patch

<quail> oh damn

<siccness> does ubuntu kernel use module or enabled for alsa?

<quail> this is the howto for hda-intel sound cards >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202555&page=5

<Phlosten> lovely rain...

<quail> we need rain here

<Tate> does anyone here have any hardware RAID experience, specifically RAID 5?

<Tate> oh dear, BRB

*** elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu

* Phlosten curses at apache

<Phlosten> gah, stupid firefox

<purserj> http://radio.localfoss.org:8000/osota.mp3 <-- Currently rocking out to the top 40 from 1297

<manicka> evening all :)

<Phlosten> hey manicka! how goes it?

<manicka> not to bad, how are things here at the au team?

<Kamping_Kaiser> hi manicka

<manicka> hi

<Kamping_Kaiser> :)

<Daemon[TW]> http://xkcd.com/c149.html <- stolen from a link on planet.gnome.org :)

<Phlosten> Daemon[TW], ah yes, lucychili posted that the other day, still makes me laugh

<siccness> rofl

<siccness> me thinks he should download a linux distro

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<siccness> gimme an OS to download K_K

<siccness> something different

<Kamping_Kaiser> something different? um.

<Kamping_Kaiser> different is the kicker ;)

<siccness> heh

<Kamping_Kaiser> debian.org/ports/hurd

<siccness> I might give FreeBSD a shot through VMWare

<cafuego> openbsd

<Phlosten> download something in a different language, that will keep you entertained for a while

<siccness> lol

* cafuego runs it as honeypot in vmware :-)

<Kamping_Kaiser> hm. debian-release list is getting a bit warm in places o_0

<siccness> openBSD isnt avail

<Phlosten> siccness, just hit distrowatch.com and download the first thing you find

<siccness> shitty telstra file mirror

<cafuego> What do you mean isn't avail?

<cafuego> Oh

<cafuego> eww

<siccness> im strugglin man, 9.8GB

<siccness> and i got 1 day to go

* cafuego points at internode

<Kamping_Kaiser> so why a mirror?

<Phlosten> siccness, heh, i've only done 37%

<siccness> K_K: free downloads

<siccness> cafeugo, i want something quicker than 10KB/sec

<siccness> im too far from exchange

* cafuego has 17.997 GB left for the week

<siccness> I was gonna download from TAFE today

<siccness> but they block every port

<cafuego> And that's after I pulled down a complete set of etch DVDs

<siccness> and our tafe is stupid, they couldnt be bothered paying an extra $1 for each computer to have DVD-WRiters

<siccness> so we get cd writers

<Phlosten> siccness, the ones at out tafe dont even work half the time

<siccness> heh

<cafuego> I think they're probably not intended to be used as leech stations.

<Phlosten> need to take a screwdriver with you to get your cd out

<siccness> cafuego? Why, hella-quick

<siccness> We downloaded some linux iso at like 2MB/sec

<siccness> they promote us to download linux and stuff

<cafuego> yes, the tafe pays for that bandwidth. Now imagine 20 students downloading DVD images

<siccness> yet they dont allow access to ftp sites

<siccness> and downloading from a http location

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, oh, thanks for reminding me.

<siccness> messes up

<siccness> np K_K :)

* Kamping_Kaiser opens up port 80 to test ssh tunnel out

<siccness> heh

<cafuego> Ooh that's right

<siccness> actually you reminded me to do something too K_K

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol. sorry ;)

<siccness> lol

<siccness> i still cant seem to access ssh from tafe

<siccness> im guessing they've blocked that too

<Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.

<Kamping_Kaiser> oh, speaking of which....

* Kamping_Kaiser goes to download novells gateway app at tafe

<Kamping_Kaiser> er

<Kamping_Kaiser> *at the hut

<siccness> at the hut?

<Kamping_Kaiser> 'work

<Kamping_Kaiser> '

<cafuego> And there we go, a shiny easyubuntu.deb

<Phlosten> cafuego, excellent

<cafuego> wanna test it?

<quail> hardware hacking sucks

<Phlosten> sure

<cafuego> lemme just rebuild the ppc and amd64 ones

<cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser ok too?

<Kamping_Kaiser> cafuego, sorry?

<cafuego> Kamping_Kaiser: Just pushing easyubuntu_3.0.22-cafuego0 to my rpo

<Kamping_Kaiser> ah sweet. i better tell kbrooks

<Kamping_Kaiser> hes just started working on a deb ;)

<cafuego> well, testes first ;-)

<cafuego> <heh>

<cafuego> Mine's a fairly ugly script, just dumps it all in /usr/lib/easyubuntu and then calls it via a bash script

<kgoetz> ah ok.

<cafuego> http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/dapper-cafuego/easyubuntu/

<kgoetz> OH FOR fkinglinglsidho:wiehjro:*wih jlSAKE!

* kgoetz goes back to xglless operation

<cafuego> yes, it's nice when it doesn't doo poo, huh?

<kgoetz> yeh. unstabel i can take, 'cant open openoffice' (strange but true), i cant

<cafuego> ouch

<cafuego> Okay, the menu entry works

* cafuego should make it run through anothwer wrapper though

<Phlosten> cafuego, looks all good

<kgoetz> YAY, i get human back into the bargain :D

<siccness> freebs is too hard

<kgoetz> and things launch :D

<siccness> i dunno wth a slice is

<Phlosten> siccness, heh

<siccness> everything should be partitions

<cafuego> siccness: slices are easy

<siccness> and swaps

<Phlosten> its just a partition within seperate parts can be uses

<cafuego> siccness: BSD divides *a* partition in slices.

<siccness> why?

<Phlosten> whoops, wrong way around

<Phlosten> siccness, cause it can alroite

<siccness> why not just make multiple slices

<siccness> *partitions

<siccness> it

<cafuego> siccness: Coz dos can only have 4.

<siccness> Ahh ok

<siccness> so a slice is just what exactly?

<cafuego> And this way you can hold 20+ BSD slices in any siven DOS partition

<cafuego> siccness: Just that, a defined part of a partition.

<siccness> hmm interesting

<siccness> so im guessing it also helps with the organisation too?

<siccness> or is that just a stupid guess?

<Phlosten> take a partition and 'slice' the bugger as many times as you like

<cafuego> Well, in terms of having /usr and /var separated, yes

<cafuego> Without being limited (keep in mind, BSD is *old*)

<siccness> Heh

<Phlosten> goodnight all

<Phlosten> *heads to be*

<Phlosten> bed

<siccness> night mate

<cafuego> siccness: There are two things to keep in mind. slice c is *always* the entire disk. and slice b is always swap.

<Kamping_Kaiser> later mate

<siccness> ahh that helps

<cafuego> siccness: a tends to be /

<siccness> if only i didnt delete the vmware image

<siccness> ill have to re do it again later

<cafuego> You cna psobably just download one from vmware.com

<siccness> nah thats weak

<siccness> dont learn from doing something like that

<tuxta> people

<tuxta> how are we?

<siccness> can't complain mate, yourself?

<tuxta> no complaining here

<siccness> tis what I like to hear champ.

<tuxta> one little inconvenience though, had to ditch Ubuntu in the short term on m laptop

<siccness> can't win em all :)

<tuxta> ndiswrapper problem with dapper, and though the prnessoblem is gone in edgy, Im just not ready for edgy's edgy

<Davo_Dinkum> hello

<siccness> hey Davo

<tuxta> hi Davo_Dinkum

<Davo_Dinkum> hey there siccness and tuxta

<Davo_Dinkum> anyone going RUXCON this year?

<siccness> whats that?

<Davo_Dinkum> http://www.ruxcon.org.au/

<Davo_Dinkum> computer security conference in sydney

<siccness> I wish

<siccness> "Attacks against RFID"

<siccness> sounds very interesting

<siccness> <--Doing a project on RFID at the moment

<Davo_Dinkum> oooo do tell

<Davo_Dinkum> wat does it entail?

<siccness> Basically, we had to think of an innovative idea, so we decided to incorporate IBM nanotechnology and RFID chips together

<Davo_Dinkum> a bit of tin foil wrapped aroung the RFID tag supposedly works

<Davo_Dinkum> and those 2 together give you wat?

<adhoc> *yawn*

<adhoc> night al

<Davo_Dinkum> night adhoc

<siccness> Well, unfortunately we haven't really thought that far. But basically "a usb disk"

<siccness> nite adhoc

<quail> evening all

<Davo_Dinkum> hey quail

<siccness> evenin to you too quail

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: so it stores files

<Davo_Dinkum> ?

<siccness> yes

<quail> how are we all

<siccness> but heres a pitch im goin for..

<Davo_Dinkum> and tells everyone wat ur files are via RF? :D

<siccness> in a sense yeah

<siccness> :)

<siccness> its not really thought through, we had to whip up some bullshit on the spot

<siccness> its due in like a weeks time and we havent started

<Davo_Dinkum> write microsoft on it and it will sell like hotcakes :D

<Davo_Dinkum> is this uni r tafe?

<siccness> tafe yeah

<Davo_Dinkum> wat course?

<siccness> Network Engineering

<siccness> don't ask what it has to do with anything, i dont know

<Davo_Dinkum> this project doesnt sound very related

<siccness> but the pitch im goin for with the idea is to have external backups 4TBs worth on a card, and taken off-site on a daily basis

<siccness> when the administrator goes home etc..

<siccness> the idea has to "improve business efficiency and effectiveness with an innovative idea"

<Davo_Dinkum> so why does it need RFID? to ID the admin?

<siccness> yup

<Davo_Dinkum> pfft yeah right

<siccness> exactly

<siccness> 101: a bunch of bullshit

<Davo_Dinkum> the card could just be stolen and the thief could pretend they are the admin

<Davo_Dinkum> easy

<siccness> ok, human-implant RFID

<siccness> hand has to be chopped off now

<Davo_Dinkum> sure, because every employee will going along with RF implants

<siccness> well then they get fired

<siccness> :D

<Davo_Dinkum> just make sure there's no dell battery in it LOL

<siccness> heh

<Davo_Dinkum> The new Dell POS Laptop: It blow you away! Or just blow up!

<Davo_Dinkum> *It'll blow you away!

<Davo_Dinkum> wat tafe college?

<Davo_Dinkum> is the course hard?

<siccness> ill also pitch the idea of all employees having the RFID card that deals with how many hours they've worked for

<siccness> etc etc..

<siccness> Network Engineering Diploma

<siccness> course is piss easy

<Davo_Dinkum> really? wow

<siccness> because the rest of my class are such idiots that we've managed to spread 1 days worth of work over 7 weeks

<siccness> and surprisingly they want to re do it all again

<siccness> because they still dont understand

<Davo_Dinkum> wtf is there to understand?

<siccness> We're doing Novell NetWare at the moment

<Davo_Dinkum> do they gurantee a job when u finish the course?

<siccness> nope

<siccness> but ive been guaranteed a job already tho

<siccness> VicRoads (Victorias RTA) want me

<Davo_Dinkum> wats so hard about netware? its a network OS right?

<siccness> Yeah

<siccness> Let me put it this way: My class consists of the following people: People who care, people who play music/games and download illegal files and people who just dont understand

<Davo_Dinkum> give us a

<tuxta> what category are you ?

<siccness> "people who care"

<Davo_Dinkum> don worry i figured that out

<tuxta> heh, just stirring

<siccness> ive actually had to go out of my way to download Novell and get it happening at home so I can learn

<siccness> because im not sitting in class making a user account 30 times

<Davo_Dinkum> why 30 times?

<Davo_Dinkum> give us a % of ppl in those catergories ^^^

<siccness> because people dont understand how to do it

<siccness> a %..ok

<siccness> 10% people who care (2 people), people who download/play etc (70&) and people who just dont get it but try (20%)

<Davo_Dinkum> lmao

<siccness> percentages not entirely accurate, 15 people in class

<siccness> but yeah, 2 people care thats incl. myself

<Davo_Dinkum> bludgers. kick em out

<siccness> i should make another category of "those who think they can hack because they can install remote desktop tools on someone elses machine while they're on break"

<Davo_Dinkum> oooooh how 1334

<siccness> yeah, hardcore stuff.

<Davo_Dinkum> computer pranks are fun though

<siccness> i dunno, i kinda matured passed all that

<Davo_Dinkum> at school, i made the IE shortcut turn on a BSoD screensaver

<siccness> im all for hacking if you can exploit a security flaw

<siccness> but if you're going to do it and put up images of tubgirl and meatspin and other stupid stuff

<siccness> then you're simply a tool.

<Davo_Dinkum> tubgirl? meatspin? wtf is that ? porN?

<siccness> oh, dont google it, not appropriate

<Davo_Dinkum> ok

<Davo_Dinkum> i guess its up there with testicular cancer and collapsed rectums

<Davo_Dinkum> and M$ source code

<siccness> rofl

<siccness> midnight and you got me to laugh, not a bad effort mate

* Davo_Dinkum dances

<Davo_Dinkum> yay

<tuxta> heh, Ill pay that

<Davo_Dinkum> bluescreeening xp is proving hard

<siccness> nope

<Davo_Dinkum> without admin access that is

<siccness> i got a BSoD yesterday on it

<Davo_Dinkum> ooh nice

<Davo_Dinkum> wat'd ya do?

<MotherLUG> tuxta, ping

<siccness> IRQ related ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> HP/Compaq+DELL+IBM/Lenovo+SUN <- who else are big name brand manufacturors?

<siccness> i honestly dont understand why more people aren't using linux, it's so much nicer to use

<siccness> Toshiba

<Davo_Dinkum> kamp: apple

<Kamping_Kaiser> ooh, apple, thats righ ;)

<Kamping_Kaiser> and toshi.

<siccness> j00beds-great-PCs

<Davo_Dinkum> they just happen to be totally owning the laptop market atm

<siccness> Alienware :P

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: millions of reasins

<Kamping_Kaiser> those+other box iwll sufice :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, part of dell :D

<siccness> heh

* Kamping_Kaiser fixes string

<siccness> alienware pcs look crap

<Davo_Dinkum> did u c that bender PC?

<siccness> over-eye-blinding coloured pc-cases

<siccness> heh and they're expensive :|

<Davo_Dinkum> build ur own

<Davo_Dinkum> much more fun

<siccness> of cours

<siccness> e

<Davo_Dinkum> alienware still put xp on all their pcs anyway

<Davo_Dinkum> dont feed the monster anymore

<siccness> plus you know when you build your own PC that its done right

<Davo_Dinkum> its fat enough

<Davo_Dinkum> how good is this?: http://www.wymenfan.com/bender/

<tuxta> how do you install nvidia drivers from a src deb?

<siccness> heh pretty cool

<siccness> also a little sad tho :P

<siccness> http://wymenfan.com/tux/ <--American Tux :D

<Davo_Dinkum> yeah maybe

<Davo_Dinkum> Leela: http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/10/the-leela-case-mod/

<siccness> heh

<siccness> any family guy ones?

<Davo_Dinkum> why? cos tux is faT?

* siccness nods

<Davo_Dinkum> i think thats german writing

<Davo_Dinkum> lamo true

<siccness> look at the size of him

<siccness> the damn penguin is massive

<siccness> looks cool but

<Davo_Dinkum> and theres softdrinks in the pic

<siccness> you could actually sleep with your PC and Tux in bed with that case :D

<Davo_Dinkum> ewww no thanks

<siccness> it's a win/win situation! :D

<Davo_Dinkum> that fat tux might crush me

<siccness> lol

<siccness> he might get excited and the cd-rom might open!

<Davo_Dinkum> ewww

<Davo_Dinkum> i dont need that visually imagery

<Davo_Dinkum> *visual

<siccness> lol

<Davo_Dinkum> how long is ur course?

<siccness> 2 years full time mate

<siccness> although it should be "2 years and when i can be bothered time"

<Davo_Dinkum> that tux should have a slot loading CD drive in his mouth, so u can feed him CDs!

<quail-laptop> Computer: quail-laptop | Distro: Ubuntu 6.06 "dapper" | Processor: 2x @ 1.60Ghz | Model: Intel CPU T2050 @ 1.60GHz | Memory: 1001MB Free: 766MB [▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀] | Diskspace: 73.70GB Free: 66.60GB | Video: Intel Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller @ 1280x800 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 116.48MB Up: 7.80MB

<siccness> lol

<siccness> dual core i see quail

<siccness> nice

<Davo_Dinkum> quail: 13.3" screen?

<Davo_Dinkum> glossy?

<quail-laptop> yeah it a intel core duo

<siccness> thats a shame :)

<quail-laptop> 15.4" screen

<Davo_Dinkum> nice

<siccness> how she run? smoothly?

<Davo_Dinkum> the res is the same for 13.3" screens though

<quail-laptop> i still hardware hacking to get all my hardware running

<quail-laptop> i got the sound running on it tonight

<Davo_Dinkum> good speakers?

<quail-laptop> had to patch and compile the lastest alsa drivers

<quail-laptop> they ok speakers

<siccness> 1GB of RAM

<siccness> nice

<quail-laptop> yeah

<quail-laptop> :-)

<siccness> i need to isntall this other 512mb module

<siccness> but my motherboard was build by knobs

<siccness> *built

<Davo_Dinkum> wat i dont get is laptops with built in subwoofers. how on earth does that work?

<quail-laptop> it ddr2 dual channel ram

<Davo_Dinkum> knobs?

<siccness> knobs = idiots

<Davo_Dinkum> ah

<quail-laptop> hehe

<siccness> trying to switch it from dual chan to single chan

<siccness> and it has a hissy fit

<siccness> they told me to flash bios

<siccness> i did so

<siccness> still doesnt work

<quail-laptop> damn

<siccness> It's amazing tho, everyone rates this board so highly

<siccness> I despise it

<Davo_Dinkum> wat is it?

<siccness> dfi lanparty ultra-d

<quail-laptop> i still got 5 in 1 card reader and bluetooth and webcam to get running on this laptop

<siccness> Heh

<siccness> those card readers are cool

<Davo_Dinkum> wouldnt the card reader be a USB device?

<quail-laptop> and then i going to put a page on ubuntu laptop wiki about it

<Davo_Dinkum> i might put a CF card reader in my thinkpad

<quail-laptop> and telling people how to get things running

<Davo_Dinkum> do a step by step guide quai;

<Davo_Dinkum> *quail

<quail-laptop> and i have texas chips to get running first for them to work

<quail-laptop> yeah that what i going to do

<Davo_Dinkum> sweet

<Davo_Dinkum> apparently SUSE has excellent hardware detection

<quail-laptop> got to get the hard work done first then i put on the wiki

<siccness> haha

<Davo_Dinkum> siccness: wat?

<siccness> yeah suse works great if you can get it to load without whinging about somethin

<Davo_Dinkum> well ive never tried it, so...

<quail-laptop> lmao

<siccness> i threw it on this pc the other day

<siccness> i couldnt get passed much

<quail-laptop> i happy with ubuntu and the people in the community, so why do i need to go to another distro

<Davo_Dinkum> is fedora completely GPL?

<siccness> quail: makes sense mate, makes sense.

<siccness> thats the brilliance of ubuntu tho

<siccness> the community behind it is probably whats the best thing about it

<Davo_Dinkum> except launchpad is proprietary

<quail-laptop> and i put back into the community as i can with stuff

<siccness> i dont mind assisting people with it, but i dont have the time to create how tos and what not at the moment

<siccness> plus im not sure i care enough about it to be honest

<Davo_Dinkum> about wat? ubuntu?

<quail-laptop> siccness: i create howto's as i am doing things for myself

<siccness> nah, creating documentation

<Davo_Dinkum> ah ok

<siccness> i care about ubuntu quite a bit

<quail-laptop> and then i make them public on svlug site

<siccness> heh cool

<siccness> alright guys, eyes are startin to hurt. im off to bed, night!

<Davo_Dinkum> night

<Davo_Dinkum> im off too

<Davo_Dinkum> cya quail

<quail-laptop> siccness: good night mate

<quail-laptop> Davo: good night too

<Davo_Dinkum> night!

<quail> now i back here

<kgoetz> another quetwsion to teh channel: email clients: outlook, outlook express, thunderbird, evo, what else is popular/bigish?

<kgoetz> *question to the

<quail> hi Karl

<kgoetz> hi mate

<shenki> kgoetz: how goes new nvidia drivers?

<kgoetz> shenki: i disabled xgl, so currently i'm not sure

<kgoetz> it didnt seem to be working better, but i didnt try out compiz

* kgoetz is working on stuff atm, so not trying xgl right now

<shenki> kgoetz: what you mean, if you disabled Xgl and have working fonts, doesn't that make them good?

<shenki> they wont work with aiglx, and they wont change xgl at all

<Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, ah yes, good point

<Kamping_Kaiser> i have my fonts back

<shenki> excellent, that's what i wanted to hear :)

<kgoetz> :D

<kgoetz> i didtn even notice ;)

* shenki hasn't had time to turn on his desktop

<shenki> been drinking since midday... it's been a long day :)

<Kamping_Kaiser> lol

<quail> hi shenki

<Kamping_Kaiser> night all

*** klepas is now known as klepas_Zzz

<Phlosten> morning all

<elkbuntu> morning

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