| * MatthewV is away: eZzzz | |
| <cef> *sigh* #ubuntu is great when you want to know how to get 3d and media working, but seems to be useless when it comes to real problems | |
| <Fujitsu> cef, like what? | |
| <cef> I've got a P4 board w/SiS 661FX/SiS 964 (north/southbridge) combo on it running Dapper (6.06.1), and "reboot"/Ctrl-Alt-Del (calls reboot) doesn't work. Machine "halt"s and powers off properly, but "reboot" goes through the shutdown procedure and then hangs (have to power off or reset via button). Gives me a diagnostic message on the screen and that's it. Tried -386 and -686 kernels, no diff. Reset button works. Any suggestions? | |
| <cef> Fujitsu: I just seem to find as soon as you ask anything even remotely difficult, peoples eyes glaze over, and they ignore you | |
| <purserj> anything turn up in logs? | |
| <cef> purserj: not that I can see. and of course when it tried to reboot, everything is read only, so no logs anyway | |
| <cef> I'm wondering if it's ACPI related somehow.... | |
| <noiesmo> hey all I'm looking to email this to center management at shopping center any feedback before I do thanks http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20842 | |
| <lucychili> looks great | |
| <noiesmo> lucychili, great thanks | |
| <lucychili> you might need to specify if you need a powerpoint for running a lappy or something like that? | |
| <bimberi> noiesmo: "Your help in making this day" - should it say "successful" or "a success" after that? | |
| <bimberi> noiesmo: and perhaps change "have available for the public" to "give away to the public" - so it's clear that you're not selling anything (well, for money :) ) | |
| <lucychili> you could take them in a flyer and a cd as a sample | |
| <noiesmo> I have another center that wants the flyer and cd prior to giviing any answer and I'm dropping that in shortly | |
| <lucychili> cool | |
| <lucychili> theyre probably making sure its legal software | |
| <bobby> an australian ubuntu community...scary | |
| <bimberi> boo! | |
| <bimberi> :) | |
| <bobby> I'm just reading this months apc and the extreme geek part...was interested if the wireless cards won even work under linux :P | |
| <bimberi> bobby: ha | |
| <bimberi> xice: ^^^^^ ?? | |
| <Phlosten> afternoon all | |
| <lucychili> greets | |
| <Phlosten> have grafpup booted on one of my old pc's, very impressed I am | |
| <Phlosten> certainly makes an old piece of crap very useful ;) | |
| <quail> afternoon all | |
| <Phlosten> howdy quali | |
| <Phlosten> quail even | |
| <quail> :-) | |
| <MatthewV> hi all.. | |
| * MatthewV is back (gone 03:36:08) | |
| <MatthewV> not usually around this time of the day :) i wen't home from school sick :( | |
| <Phlosten> hey MatthewV, how goes it? | |
| <Phlosten> ick, sick. i know the feeling | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, alright.. trying out elive atm | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, yep, just got out of bed... was in bed for over an hour... | |
| <Phlosten> i slept the entire sunday | |
| <MatthewV> hmm.. interesting, elive comes with bonfire by default | |
| <Phlosten> our little one has been ill for over a week now | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, just ill, as in flu, cold, sick, etc..? | |
| <Phlosten> flu thingie, had a close to 40 temp for the week | |
| <Phlosten> and we have to watch her like a hawk when she is like that as she has epilepsy and a high temp can set off seizures | |
| <MatthewV> not nice | |
| <Phlosten> so far so good though, she is a bit irritable today, driving us nuts ;) | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, anyway, i'm going to leave my computer now, or my headache will probably return | |
| * MatthewV is away: eZzzz | |
| <bobby> This channel doesn't have enough dancing | |
| <quail> (dance) | |
| * bobby continues reading apc | |
| <bobby> grr 50 mins of cs 1.6 and only one kill the whole time...I think I'm asleep and don't realise it | |
| <quail> does anyone know if there is any real probs with running edgy? | |
| <purserj> you mean apart from the fact that its a devel version? | |
| <quail> yeah | |
| <quail> i know it devel | |
| <bobby> well that depends...since ubuntu is basically debians idea of unstable I'm not overly sure I'd turst a development version of it | |
| <bobby> and I run sid at home :P | |
| <bobby> mmm 34 minutes till home time :D | |
| * quail doing a dist-upgrade atm | |
| <quail> i ran dapper when it was still in devel though to now | |
| <quail> now this suck, stupid edgy is downloading openoffice and i not have it installed with xubuntu | |
| <quail> oh i not edgy installed yet, but i hope it not install openoffice or gnome | |
| * quail_linux waits for other pc to upgrade to edgy | |
| <purserj> for those who missed pschulz01's interview its available now: http://www.localfoss.org/node/214 | |
| <quail_linux> thx purserj, i want to download that | |
| <quail_linux> gogo wget :-) | |
| <purserj> heh 4th highest ranking agent on localfoss | |
| <quail_linux> hehe | |
| <quail_linux> i wget alot of stuff | |
| <quail_linux> now that file will be proxied on node now | |
| <purserj> adhoc, ping | |
| <quail_linux> purserj: how have you gone with the mixer? | |
| <purserj> I did an interview today with the cables all seperated out and everything was fine. So we're going to setup differently next time | |
| <quail_linux> ok kewl | |
| <purserj> hey cool, a bug I reported actually got fixed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/git-core/+bug/52711 | |
| <pschulz01> purserj - Hehe.. saw the update come though. | |
| <purserj> so how did you like it? | |
| <purserj> the interview that is | |
| <pschulz01> url? | |
| <purserj> for those who missed pschulz01's interview its available now: http://www.localfoss.org/node/214 | |
| <pschulz01> purserj: I've been I'll.. been off work the last two days. | |
| <pschulz01> purserj: Can you fix the spelling of my name? | |
| <pschulz01> purserj: (not 't') | |
| <purserj> ah bugger | |
| <purserj> okay will do | |
| <pschulz01> purserj: It's interesting seeing my voice in the visualisation... | |
| <pschulz01> purserj: Nice cutting and pasting... | |
| <pschulz01> purserj: :-) | |
| <purserj> you can thank Karin for that | |
| <purserj> right name is fixed now | |
| * pschulz01 thand purserj | |
| * pschulz01 thanks purserj | |
| * purserj should stop assuming z is preceded by a t in germanic names | |
| <pschulz01> purserj: No, that's OK.. happens all the time. | |
| * quail_linux other pc is still upgrading to edgy | |
| <MatthewV> cool... e17 gives you 4 desktops on each screen when using xinerama :) | |
| <quail_linux> edgy is a bitch | |
| <quail_linux> edgy does use xserver? | |
| <quail_linux> how do you install packages that have been kept back? | |
| <MatthewV> quail_linux, usually there's a reason they are kept back, so you don't | |
| <MatthewV> if they are held back on a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' then I wouldn't worry bout them | |
| <quail_linux> k | |
| <quail_linux> i just forced the packages to install via apt-get install <package_names> | |
| <quail_linux> X might run for me now | |
| <MatthewV> k :) | |
| <quail_linux> i dist-upgraded to edgy | |
| <quail_linux> ah stupid edgy | |
| * quail_linux finds his xubuntu cd and says stuff this crap | |
| * Draicone needs an ubuntu mailout | |
| <Draicone> Anyone willing to send me a copy of the latest Ubuntu? I'm happy to pay through PayPal | |
| <Draicone> I just can't download it on my 256k and shipit takes too long | |
| <quail_linux> what version you need | |
| <MatthewV> Draicone, i would, except I'm not likely to be near the post office for a few weeks... | |
| <quail_linux> i can do it | |
| <quail_linux> i have to go shopping tomorrow | |
| <Draicone> quail_linux: I just need 6.0.6 or whatever the latest is | |
| <Draicone> I'm happy if the version is superseded by a minor revision | |
| <Draicone> Preferably the live CD | |
| <Draicone> I won't have a box to install it on for a while | |
| <Draicone> I was hoping someone had leftovers from a shipit order or something | |
| <quail_linux> i386, ppc or 64bit is version i mean | |
| <quail_linux> they are ubuntu 6.01 | |
| <MatthewV> quail_linux, isn't that ubuntu 6.06.1 | |
| <quail_linux> it what came from shipit | |
| <MatthewV> quail_linux, i think shipit are still sending 6.06, and they'll start sending 6.06.1 when they run out... anyway, 6.06.1 was released less than a week ago, so you wouldn't have shipit ones of that yet... only of 6.06 | |
| <quail_linux> sweet i got edgy running | |
| <MatthewV> quail_linux, :) how do you like new fonts? | |
| <quail_linux> hang on | |
| <quail_linux> damn the font is damn big | |
| <quail> and it screwed my theme | |
| <quail> and what are the red lines here as i type with xchat | |
| <MatthewV> quail, the red lines mark where you last were when xchat lost focus, so you know where to start reading from | |
| <MatthewV> you can disable them | |
| <quail> no i mean when i am typing | |
| <quail> in that field | |
| <MatthewV> don't know? video problems? | |
| <quail> i think it telling me about spelling | |
| <quail> but the font size is damn big | |
| <quail> Computer: kayak | Distro: Ubuntu 6.10 "edgy" | Processor: 2x @ 549.11Mhz | Model: Pentium III (Katmai) | Memory: 757MB Free: 674MB [▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀] | Diskspace: 26.60GB Free: 11.00GB | Video: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G100 [Productiva] @ 1152x864 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 0.16MB Up: 0.06MB | |
| <xice> mm, pizza and cad | |
| <MatthewV> hmm... running a live cd straight off a cd under qemu while the host is also running off the same live cd is not really a good idea | |
| <MatthewV> very slow on a PIII | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> hi ppl | |
| <kgoetz> connecting to irc killed my downloads :(* wtf | |
| <purserj> you realise irc is a high bandwidth app | |
| * kgoetz wonders if somethings wrong with wondershaper :( | |
| <shenki> hello! | |
| * shenki has been doing opengl for 6 hours now, and is going slowly InSanE | |
| <kgoetz> hey | |
| * kgoetz debates disconnecting from irc to see if his bandwidth works | |
| <shenki> heh | |
| <shenki> what kinda downloads kgoetz ? | |
| <kgoetz> shenki: groupware apps. but i was closing apps as i started d/ls... :/ | |
| <kgoetz> *closing apps=closing tabs | |
| <shenki> ok | |
| <kgoetz> i fking hate irc. killed my bandwidth stone dead in one hit | |
| * kgoetz cries | |
| * quail thinks edgy looks ugly with the font size | |
| <shenki> edgys fonts == sucky | |
| <shenki> they're all jaggard? jagged? | |
| <purserj> they're not aliased? | |
| <quail> no damn big | |
| <shenki> nope... I'm quite sure there's some setting I dont have set, but I haven't done much(any) research | |
| <shenki> just fonts in firefox | |
| <shenki> all the gnome labels, menubars etc are fine | |
| * quail might roll back to dapper | |
| <shenki> actually, now that I look, it's *exclusivly* the fonts in the firefox window | |
| <xice> sup shenki | |
| <shenki> gday xice | |
| <shenki> @ the cs labs, been working on my cg prac all arvo :( | |
| <shenki> xice, did you read thru the party party solgans? | |
| <xice> no, havent got the email yet | |
| <xice> still at uni? | |
| * kgoetz installs alien | |
| <kgoetz> damn you Citrix + Novell | |
| * kgoetz could try chrooting suse... hm... | |
| <shenki> xice, yep | |
| <xice> heh | |
| <shenki> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA@kgoetz | |
| <shenki> have fun :P | |
| <xice> when did the partyparty slogans get sent through? | |
| <shenki> they were an AUES email, sent by suni, thisarvo | |
| <kgoetz> shenki: :P SLED 10 uses the same kerel as Etch, so theres a good start | |
| <kgoetz> just chrooting is harder with Etch, cant seem to work out where 'chroot' has gone | |
| <shenki> hmmm | |
| <shenki> kgoetz, how would having the same kernel make a difference? | |
| <kgoetz> OMGWTF??? i'm getting bad interperator in *etch* | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> wat license does the firmware for Cisco switches and routers come under? GPL? | |
| <kgoetz> shenki: depends. for low lying stuff i expect it would | |
| <xice> ty | |
| <shenki> hmmm. /me cannot think of anything | |
| <kgoetz> Davo_Dinkum: are tehy using embeded linux? or proprietary? | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> are they using GNU/Linux at all? i have no idea | |
| <kgoetz> heh. i see | |
| <shenki> said the blind man? | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> i thought someone would know | |
| * kgoetz declares alien less then perfect | |
| <kgoetz> and Citrix's clients packing more so | |
| <kgoetz> i have to run this "rpm2cpio < myfile.rpm | cpio -i --make-directories" on an rpm when i run "dpkg -x" on a deb :/ | |
| <xice> shenki, LOL "We put the U in VSU"!!!!!!!!! | |
| <shenki> :P | |
| <xice> classic lines | |
| <shenki> yep, there's some good ones in there | |
| <shenki> have you worked out when the BBQ is? | |
| <shenki> I think it must be week 6 | |
| <xice> nope, i need to ask again | |
| <xice> i think Hens+Bucks is first | |
| <xice> i brb | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> does thinkgeek use US sizing? i dont know wat size tshirt to get | |
| <Tatey> evening fella's | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> hey tatey | |
| <Tatey> hello Davo_Dinkum | |
| <Tatey> how are you this evening? | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> good | |
| <Tatey> I really need to get my hands on a "You've got mail" sound for Thunderbird or something equally annoying | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> like in that crappy movie "youve got mail" | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> record it urself | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> i dunno wat size tshirt to get off thinkgeek: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/724a/ | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> usually i wear large/XL | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> hmm ill get large | |
| <Tatey> LOL, nice shirt | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> yeah lots of fun stuff @ TG | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> tate: why on earth do u want 1 of those sounds anyway? | |
| <xice> Tatey, i have that "YOuve got mail mp3 if your interested" | |
| <Tatey> xice: is it decent quality? I had one a while ago and it was pretty poor | |
| <xice> yeh perfect | |
| <Tatey> mate, I'd love it then. Possible to E-mail? (IRC never works for me) | |
| <xice> http://newmail.monsterserve.com/keepout/movies/gotmail31.wav | |
| <xice> http://newmail.monsterserve.com/keepout/movies/gotmail30.wav | |
| <xice> i cant find the one on my pc | |
| <Tatey> thanks heeps xice | |
| <xice> http://newmail.monsterserve.com/keepout/misc/gotmail00.wav | |
| <xice> ^^ | |
| <xice> thats the one | |
| <xice> heh | |
| <Tatey> that's great | |
| <Tatey> it cuts off JUST at the end though, but I'm fine with that | |
| <xice> although it just reminds me of aol | |
| <Tatey> never used AOL ;) | |
| <xice> same | |
| <Tatey> thunderbird makes it sound like terrible :( | |
| <quail> you got slapped for using aol mail | |
| <quail> hehe | |
| <xice> or aol search | |
| <quail> yeah | |
| * kgoetz attempts to connect to AHC over Citrix | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> bloody cisco website wants u to sign up to get software downloads | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> wat a joke | |
| <shenki> going home, bbl | |
| * kgoetz pokes Cyvros from a distance | |
| <kgoetz> .. does this explode ;) | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> do dell laptops explode? :) | |
| <kgoetz> <g> | |
| * kgoetz debates stopping the trippy CC musing and playing some random stuff... but i have to scp that from home first :/ | |
| <xice> Davo_Dinkum, on cisco yeh ive seen that | |
| <xice> i wanted the vpn client, but even after registering still couldnt get it | |
| <xice> 2 dells have previously exploded, they have issued specific recalls | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> yeah i registered but i never got the confirmation email | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> has anyone got themselves a GP2X? www.gp2x.net.au | |
| <kgoetz> xice: dell also have issues with laptops hvaing holes burned into them by the core duos | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> really? wow | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> i thought AMDs ran hotter | |
| <kgoetz> tehy do... dell messed up teh design... supprise supprise :) | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> pffft wat design? | |
| <kgoetz> heh | |
| * Cyvros violently explodes, rather unexpectedly, during an important tech conference. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> there probably the most boring lappys ive seen | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> cyvros?: | |
| <xice> jeesus 500baht (AU$17.00) for a flight from Bankok to Phuket | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> in japan? :) | |
| <kgoetz> to fucket?. cool name :) | |
| * Cyvros (or what remains of him) starts oozing out an acid-like substance that begins to eat through the table. | |
| * kgoetz puts Cyvros together. bit by bit | |
| <kgoetz> eek. | |
| * kgoetz works faster | |
| <kgoetz> hey MatthewV | |
| * Cyvros is suddenly reincarnated as a Mac... running Ubuntu. | |
| * Cyvros drools at himself. | |
| <xice> Thats thailand guys | |
| <MatthewV> hi kgoetz | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> nice combo cyvros | |
| * kgoetz thinks Cyvros should make the most of that carma :) | |
| <Cyvros> Good evening, all. | |
| <Cyvros> I shall. | |
| <kgoetz> hi mate :) | |
| * Cyvros puts himself in the draw for some free MSO tickets. | |
| <xice> Cyvros, did u install the x86 version of ubuntu onto the mac? | |
| <Cyvros> Nope. | |
| <Cyvros> Don't have a Mac. | |
| <Cyvros> Just a shoddy ol' desktop which is still running WinXP. | |
| * Cyvros sighs. | |
| <Cyvros> I'm transferring over to Ubuntu soon. | |
| <kgoetz> drop by if you need a hand :) | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> wat distros are running on the intel macs now? | |
| <Cyvros> I'm dreaming about a Mac with Ubuntu. :D | |
| <xice> Davo_Dinkum, thats what i want to know | |
| <xice> Cyvros, yeh my next pc too | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> i hear all they need is the elio bootloader | |
| <kgoetz> Davo_Dinkum: gentoo, debian with hacking (iirc), not sure what else | |
| <Cyvros> Ah. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> some guys got knoppix running on the 1st rev intel imac i think | |
| <Cyvros> I think I shall have to start referring to people by name - a good system. Can't imagine why I've only seen it regularly in here. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> that was prob the 1st distro for macintels | |
| <kgoetz> Davo_Dinkum: i dout it, gentoo were pretty quick | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> hmmmm it might have been gentoo, im not really sure | |
| * kgoetz is realising why he dislikes proprietary software so much :/ thsi Cirix stuff is crap... esp. to hack on | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> gotta love the pie chart on this page: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060125-6045.html | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> here we go, GNU/Linux on Intel Macs: http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> are the gamecube controller ports just USB ports in disguise? | |
| <Fujitsu> I don't believe so. | |
| * kgoetz suspects not | |
| <kgoetz> hey Fujitsu | |
| <Fujitsu> Hi kgoetz. | |
| * kgoetz crashes Fujitsu | |
| * Fujitsu hugs his Edgy. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> i was hoping they were | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> a GC would make a nice thin client] | |
| <Fujitsu> ... | |
| <kgoetz> how big are they? | |
| * Fujitsu runs away, quickly. | |
| <MatthewV> Davo_Dinkum, you could quite easily set up an original xbox to be a fat or thin client.. just be slightly slow as a fat client | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> yeah but GCs are usually cheaper :) | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> 2nd that is | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> 2nd hand | |
| <MatthewV> how much is a game cube? | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> $100 maybe? | |
| * Davo_Dinkum checks ebay | |
| <MatthewV> probably pick up an old xbox at that price too, and an xbox has specs slightly better than my pc, which is running fine atm | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> yeah but GCs are nice and compact | |
| <Cyvros> Just a quick question regarding something that popped up in the ubuntu-au mailing list. Joel Shea posted this: | |
| <Cyvros> "I'm also considering setting up an Ubuntu demo box and live CD giveaway next month (16/09/2006) at Melbourne Town Hall, to coincide with 'Software Freedom Day' [1], if it's not too late to organise with ComputerBank Victoria [2], who have organised the event, and do a fantastic job bringing obsolete hardware back to life with Debian pre-installed for re-distribution (advocacy in itself)." | |
| <MatthewV> what about a ps2? what's there relationship with linux? | |
| <Cyvros> Does anyone have any more details on this or similar things? | |
| <Cyvros> Events*, rather. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> look: just $80: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/gamecube-console-Nintendo-controller-cords-black_W0QQitemZ220018256318QQihZ012QQcategoryZ20391QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | |
| <Cyvros> That's pretty good. | |
| <kgoetz> Cyvros: in victoria? | |
| <Cyvros> Yes. | |
| <Cyvros> Sorry, wasn't too specific. | |
| <Cyvros> Preferably in Melbourne. | |
| <kgoetz> Cyvros: ask in #computerbank | |
| <kgoetz> since tehy got meantioned ;) | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> distro for PS2: http://blackrhino.xrhino.com/main.php?page=home | |
| <Cyvros> kgoetz: Righteo, thanks. | |
| <kgoetz> not sure what else is happening down there, you could check teh SDF website though | |
| <kgoetz> np | |
| <Cyvros> SDF? | |
| <MatthewV> software freedom day | |
| <Cyvros> Ah. Thanks. | |
| <kgoetz> Cyvros: just a tic, i'll grab a url | |
| <Cyvros> Okay. | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> PS2:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS2#Home_development | |
| <kgoetz> Cyvros: http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/oceania/au/melbourne | |
| <Cyvros> Thanks for that, kgoetz. | |
| <kgoetz> np. | |
| <MatthewV> Davo_Dinkum, it depends on having the linux kit for the ps2, which sony no longer releases in the us and never in australia, apparently.. so. :( | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> u could try getting a 2nd hand kit | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> PS2 only has 32mb ram anyway, so it isnt much good as a normal oc | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> *pc | |
| <MatthewV> no it wouldn't be | |
| * MatthewV wonders if linux will end up on the 360 | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> PS2 as a thin client? maybe | |
| <MatthewV> might make it worth paying $650 | |
| <xice> Davo_Dinkum, just pickup an old 1U server, cheap and decent | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> xice: wat specs do i need for the server? it will run 2/3 thin clients | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> im looking at the rack mount servers but i dont really no wat specs i need | |
| * kgoetz seems to remember that question | |
| <xice> no idea | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> lol ok | |
| <kgoetz> Davo_Dinkum: i run 8 users on a 667 with 380~mb of ram. | |
| <kgoetz> *very* uncomfortable, but you get the idea | |
| <cef> depends on what you want to do too | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> nothing spectacular: openoffice, gaim, firefox, gnome, thunderbird, supertux, frozen-bubble, gimp, view pdfs, play music, videos, view pictures | |
| <kgoetz> fb + videos on thin clients? | |
| <kgoetz> play music could be interesting | |
| * kgoetz hasnt set that up before | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> why not? it could work, right? | |
| <kgoetz> sure | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> good | |
| <kgoetz> <include> hacking.h | |
| <kgoetz> er, #include <hacking.h> | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> huh? | |
| <kgoetz> 'it may not be strait forward' | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> hmmm buggar | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> i need more hacking skills etc to pull this off probably | |
| <MatthewV> Davo_Dinkum, there's a project around to run linux on the 360, but so far they haven't succeeded: http://www.free60.org/ | |
| <kgoetz> bbl. i'm just not getting work done here. home in < 30 min | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> 360 is way too expensive but | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, ping | |
| <MatthewV> Eucalyptbot, good to see you back... on holidays? | |
| <elkbuntu> i dont know when he went or why, only just noticed | |
| <elkbuntu> quite a bit distracted with things today | |
| <klepas> MatthewV: pong | |
| <Davo_Dinkum> night guys | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, did you know that opacity is not valid css? | |
| <klepas> really? | |
| <klepas> aww | |
| <klepas> that sucks | |
| <MatthewV> it works on some browsers, and may be a part of css3, but since it is not valid css, while the opacity theme is on there atm, I'll remove it before sfd | |
| <klepas> ah well - it doesn't really matter because browsers that don't support it render it as if it wasn't used | |
| <klepas> really? :( | |
| <klepas> i' | |
| <klepas> i | |
| <klepas> ack | |
| <klepas> i'd keep it | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, yeah... but I'm going to fix the tango theme properly so that all browsers render it correctly before launchy | |
| <MatthewV> *launch | |
| <MatthewV> maybe I'll just leave opacity there.. but its "unsupported" ;) | |
| <klepas> yea | |
| <klepas> i know the argument | |
| <klepas> and the problem is i bet we'll get at least one email about someone bitching about it ;) | |
| <klepas> but hey, i reckon we should keep it in there :) | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, its basically a copy of tango anyway, just a few minor changes :) | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, and good news... chris has, so far, kept tango as the default theme on http://www.makethemove.net/demo | |
| <klepas> hey nice :) | |
| <klepas> Gororaa will ship tango | |
| <purserj> question, if its an image with a transparent background, why not just use a gif? | |
| <klepas> because gifs are ugly | |
| <klepas> more loading time | |
| <purserj> are you aiming this site at windows users? | |
| <klepas> i'd much rather use something that is css3 and if not supported in browser renders perfectly well nonetheless than use extra images | |
| <MatthewV> purserj, a gif only has one alpha channel, same as an 8-bit png, which does support transparency in ie | |
| <klepas> purserj: well we want it to render nicely in ie | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, could always use a css hack to show some stuff to ie only and hide other stuff, but personally i think i prefer the colour change, if only because ff renders opacity changes quite slow | |
| <klepas> good point | |
| <klepas> i guess we'll keep it out then | |
| <klepas> and leave it as an interesting possible idea | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, I'll just leave it as another theme, not the default... | |
| <klepas> sure :) | |
| <klepas> i'm going to have a look at it some time in the future too | |
| <klepas> rihgt now i'm caught up in kororaa/ubuntu mag/college stuff | |
| <MatthewV> :) if you wan't a tarball just ask... | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, you involved in kororaa too? | |
| <klepas> i've got a tarball from chris | |
| <klepas> yea, kororaa/gororaa artwork | |
| <bimberi> klepas: is Make the Move going to launch at SFD? | |
| <klepas> i'm not sure | |
| <klepas> bimberi: would be a nice target | |
| <klepas> :) | |
| <klepas> bimberi: you coming to the sfd events here in canberra? | |
| <klepas> we're wanting to put up a stall at the pc fair in kingston old bus depot markets | |
| <klepas> use a projector and Kororaa 2006 :) | |
| <bimberi> klepas: i'm the organiser! | |
| <bimberi> :) | |
| <bimberi> well ... the contact :) | |
| * klepas slaps himself | |
| <bimberi> klepas: but yes, it would make a nice target. | |
| <bimberi> tables at the fair are 1.75m wide - was thinking of possibly going for 2 | |
| <bimberi> SFD next to MTM would be a good look :) | |
| <klepas> hehe | |
| <klepas> can we combine into one? | |
| <klepas> because i would like to help out at both | |
| <shenki> hello again | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> hey shenki | |
| <bimberi> klepas: that would be the idea - have them adjacent | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser swears at disapearing text, in less tehn familiy channel ways | |
| <klepas> have them interlinked more like it | |
| <shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: for uni, we need to use a particualr java libaray, however, it's only packaged for edgy | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, :) | |
| <shenki> due to my reluctance to upgrade my new-to-linux friend to edgy, i was thinking I could try recomiling the deb for dapper - the only dep that is an issue is that it wasnt glib 2.4, whereas dapper has 2.3.6 | |
| <shenki> so, i'm after for pointers :) | |
| <shenki> after pointers. not after for. | |
| <bimberi> klepas: i'll email chris. btw the markets are actually at kingston this saturday so i'm going to go and have a look | |
| <klepas> cool :) | |
| <MatthewV> klepas, i think chris was hoping to launch mtm around sfd | |
| <MatthewV> shenki, you could force it to install, but i don't think thats advisable | |
| <shenki> MatthewV: nah, wont do that | |
| <shenki> just a recompile against the right libc will do, i think | |
| <shenki> ive kinda ran outta space on my hdd tho :) | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, edgy chroot for dev in :) | |
| * MatthewV wishes he was in canberra for sfd, just to come down and see every1 | |
| <MatthewV> + everything | |
| <shenki> Kamping_Kaiser: yep. thought that might have to be it. now, if only i didnt have 0 bytes of space on / :P | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. the spiders dancing to the offspring | |
| <bimberi> MatthewV: get to LCA07! | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> shenki, :/ | |
| * MatthewV can't afford the plane flight... and isn't linux conf open only to business ppl? | |
| <MatthewV> actually i can afford it, i cant justify it | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> open to biz ppl? they let me in! | |
| <bimberi> MatthewV: absolutely not - it's more for non-biz | |
| <MatthewV> oh, maybe i'm confusing it with some other event | |
| <bimberi> soap-challenged-hippie-geeks in particular!! | |
| <MatthewV> night all | |
| <bimberi> ;) | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> :) | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> later mat | |
| <bimberi> nn MatthewV | |
| <klepas> cheers | |
| <bimberi> lol | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> lol | |
| <Eucalyptbot> [Shoutbox] MatthewV: :P this time i'm really going to bed ;) | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> heh | |
| <elkbuntu> proove it | |
| <klepas> elkbuntu: you don't blog much :) | |
| <elkbuntu> klepas, i know | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> klepas, you could blog about people who dont blog much | |
| * klepas thinks doing a documentary on blogging and social networking over the www is enough | |
| <klepas> yay for media studies | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> <g> | |
| * klepas does a massive dance | |
| <klepas> yay for making random useless backups on one's iRiver!!!! | |
| <klepas> far out i though i had lost that forever | |
| * klepas does an even bigger dance | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser manages to write 3 whole lines of text between ircing | |
| <elkbuntu> you make it to 3? | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, this is important! | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> pity i cant think of anything to say tahts nice and the truth | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser tries out burocrat speak. | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser fails | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser flails | |
| *** klepas is now known as klepas_Zzz | |
| <klepas_Zzz> 'night all | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate | |
| <xice> nite all | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> later | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> hey MotherLUG | |
| <MotherLUG> Hi Kamping_Kaiser | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> :) | |
| <Tatey> does anyone here have some REALLY good links describing linux and open source? | |
| <quail> wikipeadia | |
| <Tatey> on their now | |
| <quail> oh | |
| <quail> i only been awake for near 30 mins | |
| <quail> so head not screwed on atm | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> heh | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, what sort of links? | |
| <quail> i thinking i should go back to it | |
| <Tatey> today, I was speaking about Linux to a mate who is considering it on a laptop | |
| <Tatey> and out of no where, his GF comes over and she starts complainigng about Malware on her PC | |
| <Tatey> Windows, even | |
| <Tatey> anyway, she was really intrigued by what I had to say about FLOSS | |
| <quail> i running edgy | |
| <Tatey> she's an education student, and is an all computer newbie besides doing her basic word editing, etc | |
| <Tatey> but, she's VERY interested in FLOSS, so I'm trying to encourage her | |
| <Tatey> she's already asked me to convert her laptop from Windows to Ubuntu | |
| <quail> FLOSS? | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> free/libre open source software | |
| <Tatey> what he said ^^ | |
| <quail> k | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, ah, awsome stuff. so you need some good background info on using/culture/kernel apis? | |
| <Tatey> she's fascniated by the Ubuntu Philosophy | |
| <Tatey> Kamping_Kaiser: like, what FOSS is, what it's trying to achieve, what Linux is and how it fits in FOSS and Ubuntu specific stuff | |
| <Tatey> if anyone had some nice links, it'd be appreciated | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> wow, the whole lot | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> problem with links from me is they are likely to be quite stalmanist :\, but i'll see what i have | |
| <Tatey> Kamping_Kaiser: why I'm even more concerned is this girl has a strong influence in education | |
| <Tatey> she's a top student, sitting on a GPA of like 6.5 | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> gpa? | |
| <Tatey> it's the method in which Uni's use to rank students | |
| <Tatey> 7 is the highest | |
| <quail> general point avarge? | |
| <Tatey> in other words, she's really brainy, and has a strong influence | |
| <Tatey> grade-point average | |
| <quail> k | |
| <Tatey> she's mostly fascinated by it's implemtnation in the education system | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, i'll look for links in a mo -just emailing a few lists about SFD | |
| <Tatey> Kamping_Kaiser: cheers mate | |
| <Tatey> I'm searching also | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/ | |
| <purserj> this the same esr who says linux don't work with ipods? | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser shrugs | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> dunno | |
| <Tatey> thanks Kamping_Kaiser | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, btw that link, i cant remember all of whats there, but iirc its supposed to have lots of stuff, mostly cultural | |
| <purserj> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/eric_raymond_linux_compromise/ <-- ESR on linux and ipods | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#TOCWhatIsCopyleft | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#attitude | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, the google search i usef for the esr stuff: http://www.google.com.au/search?hs=N33&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=esr+on+free+software+culture&btnG=Search&meta= | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> substitute esr for 'rusty rusell' and you dont get as many instant hits, just looking more now | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.catb.org/~esr/open-source.html | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. maddog would be good to look up for stuff as well i suspect | |
| <Tatey> thank you very much | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> np. i'm hoping i get a few links put aside by you as 'uber usefull', then i can ask for them back ;) | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser is searching for stuff he thinks will get good hits... no idea if it will though | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.go-opensource.org/ | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, if you want to scare her away perminantly : http://www.linux.org.au/fta ;) | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> and /law | |
| <Tatey> haha | |
| <quail> she prob enjoy the last link | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. this is ESR: If you want to be a hacker, keep reading. If you want to be a cracker, go read the alt.2600 newsgroup and get ready to do five to ten in the slammer after finding out you aren't as smart as you think you are. And that's all I'm going to say about crackers. | |
| <quail> lol | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, GNU GPL preamble (not all the legal crap, just the 20~ lines of intro) | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html#SEC2 | |
| <purserj> ESR to Bruce Perens: Damn straight I took it personally. And if you ever again behave like | |
| <purserj> > that kind of disruptive asshole in public, insult me, and jeopardize | |
| <purserj> > the interests of our entire tribe, I'll take it just as personally -- | |
| <purserj> > and I will find a way to make you regret it. Watch your step. | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser searches for bruce p | |
| <purserj> http://perens.com/ | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> hm | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> lol -> Writing software that just gets put away feels like intellectual masturbation. All of the good comes from someone else participating. | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> thats BP | |
| <purserj> yup | |
| <purserj> ESR is scary. While I disagree with RMS on somethings, I still respect what he has achieved | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> grr. BP is behind LSB | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser shoots BP | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> whgao, and busy box | |
| * Kamping_Kaiser unshoots him | |
| <purserj> was also DPL at one stage I think | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> Tatey, http://www.unesco.org/webworld/portal_freesoft/open_history.shtml <<-- do unesco links carry more wieght? :) | |
| <Tatey> cheers Kamping_Kaiser | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> np. | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> hope it helps, and theres soem good stuff in there | |
| <Tatey> I like it | |
| <Tatey> it's short and to the point | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, and i found it by seraching for maddog... wtf? :) | |
| <purserj> night all | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ | |
| <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. looks like the unesco page is 5 years out of date :/, but its good in all otehr ways i supose | |
| <MatthewV> hi pschulz01 | |
| <MatthewV> or pschulz01_? ;) | |
| <pschulz01_> MatthewV: Hi.. | |
| <MatthewV> pschulz01_, how's things? | |
| <MatthewV> hi PH | |
| <MatthewV> oops Phlosten | |
| <Phlosten> howdy | |
| <Phlosten> MatthewV, feeling better today? | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, yep thankyou :) | |
| <MatthewV> how're you? | |
| *** pschulz01_ is now known as pschulz01 | |
| <Phlosten> good today, wonderful weather outside again today | |
| <pschulz01> MatthewV: Back at work after a couple of sick days. | |
| <pschulz01> Phlosten: We have rain here.. | |
| <pschulz01> Phlosten: ADL | |
| <MatthewV> pschulz01, seems something common, I wen't home sick yesterday | |
| <Phlosten> i'm installing a virtual instance of freespire atm | |
| * MatthewV doesn't really like linspire.... and freespire is just a free version isn't it? | |
| <MatthewV> with some functionality removed | |
| <Phlosten> freespire is all oss | |
| <Phlosten> i havent looked at either. thought it might be time to have a gander and see what it is all about | |
| <Phlosten> good to know about the others so people in our club can ask me about them | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, does that mean that most of the "advantages" of linspire eg codecs installed.. don't carry through to freespire | |
| <Phlosten> i would think so | |
| <Phlosten> i am wondering whether someone can purchase them afterwards though | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, surely you don't want to purchase them? | |
| <Phlosten> no, but I am interested to know about the options | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, phew... i though that you had lost your head ;) | |
| <Phlosten> if you run into someone who really cares about doing things legally etc, you can say wellll, if you really want to go that way you could try freespire | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, yep i follow what you are saying... | |
| <Phlosten> OMG! ReactOS is fricken nuts! | |
| <Phlosten> delete! delete! | |
| <MatthewV> Phlosten, it is a windows 2000 clone | |
| <purserj> MatthewV, no its not, its a re-write of NT4 | |
| <Phlosten> its terribly realistic | |
| <Phlosten> the horrors of 'you must reboot to make this wokr' | |
| <MatthewV> purserj, ok... basically, but it comes down to the same thing :) |