| *** Seveaz is now known as Seveas | |
| <tin_nqn> hi folks! | |
| <tin_nqn> I have a question... | |
| <tin_nqn> I need install xubuntu 6.06 in a 256mb machine. | |
| <tin_nqn> sorry, 192mb | |
| <tin_nqn> Would it boot the grphic interface? | |
| <tin_nqn> in case, it wouldn't... there is a method to install it without boot in live mode? | |
| <tin_nqn> sorry, is somebody here? | |
| <khaije1> hi tin_nqn | |
| <tin_nqn> hi | |
| <khaije1> 192mb is plenty to boot graphically | |
| <khaije1> is that what you were asking? | |
| <tin_nqn> I try to boot ubuntu drapper and it couldn't... | |
| <khaije1> what type of machine is it | |
| <tin_nqn> it's a clone desktop machine with amd k7 500mhz, 192 of ram, diamond sthealth 3 video card (32 mb.) | |
| <tin_nqn> what do you think? | |
| <wordsofglass> hi, i just compiled a kernel according to the FAQ and comp is a lot faster, but mounting extra drives wont work, it tells me the device is already mounted or the folder is busy | |
| <wordsofglass> no, this doesn't specifically have to do with xubuntu | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> hey | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> what kind of specs do you guys got? | |
| <BlueEagle> bigfuzzyjesus: I've got +3.25 and +2.75. I tried using lenses but I didn't like it. | |
| <BlueEagle> bigfuzzyjesus: The brand is FCUK. Got them at specsavers. | |
| *** nalioth_ is now known as nalioth | |
| <satuan> read about the xubuntu being slimmer and faster than ubuntu. Can we run xubuntu on Pentium II 300 MHz with 128 MB RAM? | |
| <crimsun> yes. | |
| <crimsun> quite comfortably. I have a P233/64 that's doing admirably. | |
| <satuan> am having the ubuntu 5.10 CD from a friend and cannot get it to load on that machine | |
| <satuan> read that we can move the ubuntu 5.10 to xubuntu but we must be online right? | |
| <crimsun> correct | |
| <satuan> am so happy to hear your PC is also a PII | |
| <crimsun> no, it's a Pentium (not a Pentium II) | |
| <crimsun> 586 subarch, not 686 :) | |
| <satuan> oh wow even older | |
| <satuan> :) | |
| <satuan> I gave up trying to install ubuntu on the pentium 200 MMX with 64 MB RAM. Maybe i should go try on that machine too | |
| <crimsun> you can't go any lower than a 486, unfortunately | |
| <crimsun> (can't imagine why one would want to, but...) | |
| <satuan> oh ok | |
| <satuan> I just have the pc sitting there so better fix it and use it rather than junk it | |
| <satuan> that was my first PC way back in 1996 | |
| <satuan> thanks crimsun | |
| <satuan> exit | |
| <satuan> #exit | |
| <bb|Gishnob> hey crimson | |
| <bb|Gishnob> i have a question for you | |
| <bb|Gishnob> remember me, i was the guy with the thinkpad 770x, and you helped me get my soundcard working | |
| <bb|Gishnob> did you add support for my soundcard in 6.06.1 | |
| <bb|Gishnob> ? | |
| <crimsun> I need more details than that | |
| <crimsun> I presume the snd-cs423[26] business? | |
| <crimsun> support is already there | |
| <crimsun> has been there since Warty | |
| <tich> hey folks, it seems odd that i haven't tried to search for a file yet... but i can't seem to locate a search tool for files. what would be a good one to install? | |
| <bb|Gishnob> well | |
| <bb|Gishnob> scrimson | |
| <bb|Gishnob> crimson | |
| <bb|Gishnob> that script you gave me got my sound to work | |
| <tich> is anyone familiar with beagle? --it is for gnome but it could do the job. i'm having trouble finding other options. | |
| <tich> just to be certain, does one come packaged with xubuntu (and i just can't find the finder)? | |
| <khaije1> tich: xubuntu is intentional scalled down for low-overhead, so there isn't a finder included | |
| <crimsun> bb|Gishnob: I haven't implemented a good integration yet. | |
| <khaije1> this is one reason i wouldn't really reccommend it as a first linux desktop without guru assitance or considerable tweaking | |
| <tich> well the first part is solved, now is there a GUI finder that comes recommended? or failing that is there a terminal command that finds? | |
| <zephen_> lol | |
| <zephen_> well sure there is | |
| <zephen_> find | |
| <zephen_> and even locate | |
| <khaije1> ya i just meant gui-fied versions | |
| <somerville32> There is that dog one | |
| <somerville32> lol | |
| <somerville32> Whats it called? | |
| <khaije1> i like xubuntu cuz it's v. light and i'm confortable w/ the cmdline | |
| <zephen_> xubuntu is a little heavy for me, but i like it | |
| <zephen_> xfce4 that is | |
| <khaije1> what do you prefer zephen_? | |
| <somerville32> I like it too but I find KDE faster | |
| <zephen_> well i use fluxbox with all my other *nix desktops | |
| <zephen_> but i set this particular machine up at home so both me and my gf can use it | |
| <zephen_> i can't see her using keyboard shortcuts :) | |
| <khaije1> kde is snappy, but xubuntu is designed to run well on older equipment | |
| <zephen_> well i run it on just bought equipment :) | |
| <tich> i think xfce with some gnome or kde stuff to supe-it-up (or slow it down depending on perspective) is great. | |
| <zephen_> i hate wasting resources no matter what the machine | |
| <crimsun> guess what? you're wasting resources. | |
| <zephen_> as little as possible, mr pedantic | |
| <crimsun> you have spare cpu cycles that aren't being harvested. | |
| <tich> it is the best of all worlds colliding on cy computer | |
| <zephen_> cause guess what? i'm using much less resources than if i was running kde/gnome and all it's attendant 'utilities' | |
| <khaije1> tich: i agree, xubuntu is *not* a complete integrated desktop environment, it's in between that and a windows manager | |
| <tich> not loving a computer is the only wasted resourse | |
| <crimsun> I'm not even sure not using "all" resources is even worthwhile. :) | |
| <zephen_> emm, loving a computer is strange and tells me you need female contact | |
| <crimsun> "strange" is subjective | |
| <zephen_> crimsun, no, but making sure i have all the cycles i need, when i need them is the point | |
| * khaije1 lol | |
| <tich> my girlfried is on her computer right beside me. | |
| <crimsun> zephen_: that's kinda moot in a multiprogrammed OS. ;) | |
| <zephen_> subjective? ok, go poll 100 people - tell them "not loving a computer is the only wasted resourse" - then ask if they rate this 'strange' or 'normal' | |
| <zephen_> not moot when i'm stupidly running some services on my desktop machine heh | |
| <crimsun> now go ask 100 people in the gobi desert the same question. | |
| <crimsun> again, it's subjective. Some people will care, some people won't. | |
| <tich> well don't take the statement too literally. if you do i can't let you come near a bible. | |
| <zephen_> lol, relax | |
| <zephen_> just jokes | |
| <zephen_> of course, taken to it's extremes, there is no 'objectivity', only 'subjectivity' | |
| <zephen_> that is, if you were educated at university in the post-modern 90's like me | |
| <zephen_> but real people will tell you that reality exists | |
| <tich> so i just meant that a really fast computer that someone hates using is a wasted resourse. but outside of that context it is admittedly trivial. | |
| <tich> ah po-mo. i love it. | |
| <zephen_> i love using it, i just like keeping it as fast as i can ... hangover from the days of programming on my commodore PET i guess | |
| <zephen_> or maybe it was the kaypro that did it | |
| <zephen_> it's like young coders now who know they don't have to be efficient with code because of the 'computing capacity' of new machines | |
| <tich> well i do love an 'effiecient' machine or i wouldn't have used xfce as the base. | |
| <tich> but i have never programmed so it has no science, i base it all on feel. i have yet to clock my cpu. :) | |
| <tich> or whatever. | |
| <tich> but if i could bring this all full circle --even if only for a moment, is there a recommended file finder? | |
| <zephen_> yeah, find | |
| <zephen_> :) | |
| <zephen_> find / -name whatever | |
| <zephen_> locate whatever | |
| <tich> brilliant. thanks. | |
| <zephen_> you might want to run updatedb first before the locate | |
| <zephen_> i'm not being facetious, i don't know any *nix gui finders, sorry | |
| <tich> okay i'll give that i try. what does it do? | |
| <zephen_> the updateb makes a little database that locate uses to find things | |
| <tich> no that is fine the command line is a very useful thing. | |
| <zephen_> if you are looking for an application you can do 'which app' | |
| <zephen_> like 'which bash' | |
| <tich> well it is searching now. hopefully it has better luck than i did :) | |
| <zephen_> what are you looking for? | |
| <zephen_> if you don't mind me asking | |
| *** zephen_ is now known as debuntu | |
| <tich> zephen, if taken to an extreme wouldn't subjectivity be an 'objectivity of uncertainty'? | |
| <tich> or maybe that is post-modern mumbo-jumbo and i should stop typing and go to bed. :) | |
| <debuntu> lol | |
| <debuntu> i only just woke up dude | |
| <__mikem> whats a gui finder | |
| <debuntu> a graphical program you use to find things? | |
| <debuntu> a wild guess | |
| <tich> yeah. to find files on a hard disk. | |
| <__mikem> oh, I thought it was a program you use to find a gui | |
| <__mikem> lol | |
| <__mikem> which doesn't even make sence | |
| <debuntu> lol | |
| <debuntu> hahaha | |
| <debuntu> like 'find / -name bloated-gnome' | |
| <__mikem> I hate gnome | |
| <debuntu> agreed | |
| <tich> gnome is part of the family, hate something like microsoft. | |
| <tich> or osx | |
| <debuntu> no way | |
| <debuntu> osx is part of my family ... bsd :) | |
| <tich> which way is no way | |
| <tich> sort of, it is the distant cousin that sold out and got fat and picked up a coke habit | |
| <tich> oh sorry you said your family specifically. i thought you meant the linux family ment | |
| <debuntu> shoulda picked up a bigger habit if they stayed fat | |
| <tich> yeah i just got to typing and that came out | |
| <debuntu> lol | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> whats wrong with osx | |
| <tich> [scratch the 'ment' on the end of that sentence about the linux famity] | |
| <debuntu> no, i like that ment, it gives you personality | |
| <tich> one word: proprietary. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> osx | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> is proprietary? | |
| <debuntu> yep | |
| <tich> yeah sure apple doesn't just give it away. you can barely get free apps for it. | |
| <debuntu> jeebus, it's apple | |
| <debuntu> of course it's proprietary | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> but it comes with a lot of the apps you need | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im not saying i support apple | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i like their hardware design | |
| <debuntu> and you can compile a few bsd/*nix apps on it ... but it's way closed now | |
| <debuntu> they used to have Darwin open, but i think that changed | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> osx is better than windows and thats for damn sure | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i want to get a macbook and tripple boot between ubuntu/xp/osx | |
| <debuntu> sounds greedy | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah but xp for school osx to fool around with and ubuntu to use | |
| <debuntu> still very greedy | |
| <debuntu> i think you should use LFS | |
| <debuntu> and nothing else | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> lfs? | |
| <tich> osx doesn't give you a lot to fool around with. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im not good with acronyms | |
| <debuntu> linux from scratch | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i used to be fixed on osx until i discovered ubuntu | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i found it on digg and it only got better from there | |
| <debuntu> cool | |
| <debuntu> do you mind if i ask how old you are? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> 15 | |
| <debuntu> ok | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> why | |
| <debuntu> lots of young ubuntu users, wanted to know if you were one | |
| <debuntu> school and all | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> its fun to mess with | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> how old are you | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> if you dont mind me asking | |
| <Gilly> howdy all | |
| <Gilly> anyone there? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> me | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im here | |
| <Gilly> sweet | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> debuntu is on/off | |
| <Gilly> well, i got on here to get some feedback about xubuntu. | |
| <Gilly> now I feel like I'm putting you on the spot, since you're the only one talking | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> what do you mean feedback | |
| <Gilly> well, i've only used ubuntu before | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> its faster | |
| <Gilly> I'm a habitual XP pro user | |
| <Gilly> is it a lot faster? | |
| <debuntu> you probably won't like xfce4 then | |
| <debuntu> which is xubuntu | |
| <Gilly> right | |
| <Gilly> well, i'd heard good things about xfce, and that it's faster | |
| <debuntu> it is the least like XP | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah. It's got a few fewer features, and a lot lower memory usage. | |
| <debuntu> yeah, that's why it is faster | |
| <Gilly> well that would be fine | |
| <mikeg> hi | |
| <Gilly> so it's noticeably faster? | |
| <mikeg> Gilly: hi | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah. | |
| <debuntu> maybe, but from what i've seen, if people are in love with their XP, they'll hate xfce4 and barely tolerate gnome/kde | |
| <Gilly> hey mike | |
| <debuntu> much faster | |
| <Gilly> well i hate XP | |
| <mikeg> Gilly: what to do if my ubuntu does not recodnize my SATA hd | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i was a hardcore xp user | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i love xubuntu | |
| <Gilly> sorry mikeg, i'm a n00b | |
| <Gilly> really bigfuzz | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah | |
| <Gilly> I understand what you're saying though debuntu | |
| <Gilly> cuz they look completely different | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> but i had it on an old box in my basement | |
| <mikeg> its okay | |
| <debuntu> Gilly, yeah, xfce4 lacks a few of the little helping things a lot of windows users miss | |
| <Gilly> is xfce intuitive, or am I going to be looking around for hours for stuff | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> and just messed with it in my free time and now i would take it over xp any day | |
| <debuntu> Gilly, fairly intuitive | |
| <debuntu> Gilly, and plus, you have this channel :) | |
| <Gilly> hehe, true | |
| <Gilly> do you need to be good with the command line to run xfce | |
| <Gilly> because I'm awful | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im awful too but i get around | |
| <debuntu> nope, you don't *have* to | |
| <Gilly> cool, any decent themes for xfce? | |
| <debuntu> even though that's all i really use :) | |
| <debuntu> yeah, all the gtk themes, lots of others | |
| <Gilly> I'm halfway done downloading ubuntu, i guess I should kill that and grab xubuntu | |
| <Gilly> nothing to lose | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> debuntu are you a heavy command line user | |
| <Gilly> deb & bigfuzzy: I can still run everything that ubuntu and kubuntu run right? | |
| <debuntu> yeah, but don't hold it against me .. i started with unix before they had GUIs | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh that explains alot | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i wish i had so i was better with cmd | |
| <Gilly> i used to be decent with cmd when I was a CS major in college | |
| <Gilly> we did all our C++ telnetting into linux boxes | |
| <Gilly> unix, sorry | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> when was unix created | |
| <Gilly> but after I switched majors....out with the cmd | |
| <debuntu> bigfuzzyjesus, around late 60's | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> jeez | |
| <debuntu> bigfuzzyjesus, in the way we know it | |
| <debuntu> Gilly, heh what major did you change to? | |
| <Gilly> Information Systems | |
| <rellim> hello world | |
| <Gilly> database stuff, networking | |
| <rellim> oooo ... more people here tonight than usual, always a good sign | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> hello world | |
| <debuntu> yeah right | |
| <debuntu> a lot easier ;) | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: ironic, yes? | |
| <Gilly> debuntu, what's a lot easier? | |
| <Gilly> IS? | |
| <debuntu> i thought so anyway | |
| <Gilly> yeah | |
| <Gilly> a lot less frustrating, that's for sure | |
| <Gilly> i just couldn't stand programming | |
| <debuntu> bigfuzzyjesus, and anyway, the late 60's isn't that long ago ... many good things were produced then | |
| <debuntu> like me | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: i started doing that like a month ago when i set out to learn python one night when i was bored and was reading "Dive Into Python" and they said something like "normally this is where you learn the 'hello world' program, we are going to skip that" | |
| <Gilly> hehe | |
| <debuntu> heh, i'm a programmer | |
| <Gilly> my hat's off to you | |
| <debuntu> meh | |
| <debuntu> as the kids say | |
| <rellim> debuntu: .... i wrote an article a while back called "The state of the debuntu universe" ... or something like that, like the nick :) | |
| <debuntu> haha the nick is only to anger debian user :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> relllim, thats good | |
| <Gilly> i should say, however, I teach know, so I got away from computers altogether | |
| <Gilly> teach now, not know | |
| <debuntu> Gilly, at least you are making a difference ... i'm only making money | |
| <rellim> debuntu: well i am a debuntu user ... i run debian on my servers and ubuntu on my desktops, why get upset because i use what i prefer in different instances? ... distro zealots annoy me | |
| <debuntu> lots of money | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> debuntu: im a big fan of old anything, im listening to vinyl at the moment | |
| <debuntu> rellim, yeah, that's why i like bugging them | |
| <rellim> debuntu: keep up the good work :) | |
| <debuntu> i run freebsd on my servers, openbsd for firewall, used to run debian for desktop but now ubuntu | |
| <rellim> debuntu: who do you work for? (programming wise) | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: yeah, I was there for a little while. the money that is. then i got around the kids, and couldn't step away | |
| <debuntu> rellim, lol Roger Elkin ... i live in Perth, Western AUstralia | |
| <rellim> debuntu: yeah, i am a long time debian user converted to ubuntu for the desktop out of convenience ... and Xubuntu out of desktop environment choice | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: everyone makes a difference. | |
| <rellim> Gilly: agreed | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: except microsoft programmers | |
| <Gilly> jk | |
| <debuntu> ahaha | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <debuntu> 99% of my work is for windows :) | |
| <Gilly> what do you do | |
| <debuntu> open source don't pay much | |
| <rellim> no, we need them to stick around so open source continues to look so good | |
| <Gilly> i mean, what kind of programming | |
| <debuntu> mostly boring business apps, write *nix programs in my spare time | |
| <Gilly> relim: trrue, we have to know what NOT to be | |
| <debuntu> medical practioner software | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: do you work for an ASP? | |
| <rellim> debuntu: open source doesn't pay much, but the services that can be offered can make lots of money, that's how redhat keeps making millions | |
| <debuntu> an ASP? | |
| <Gilly> relim: have you seen linux despair posters? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> debuntu: doesnt that type of programming get old? | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: application service provider | |
| <debuntu> rellim, get them to hire me :) | |
| <debuntu> bigfuzzyjesus, um not really, i only came to programming at the age of 29 and i'm 36 now | |
| <rellim> i have a peon campus job at my university and i am writing sql client software for the library inventory system .... sounds cooler than it is and i'm not as leet as it makes me sound :P | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: med prac software. magic type really? | |
| <rellim> debuntu: wish i knew people in high places like that | |
| <Gilly> relim: i loved sql | |
| <rellim> Gilly: why is that past tense? | |
| <debuntu> most of the job involves rewriting apps to conform to new legislative guidlines - tax, new billing systems etx | |
| <Gilly> relim: not around it anymore. loved it and college and worked with it for a little while. now I teach | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> debuntu: apparantly, programming wise linux skills are good to have | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> or so i hear | |
| <rellim> Gilly: oh awesome ... you teach grade school or collegiate? | |
| <Gilly> relim: the problem is, you tell people you know SQL and they think you want to right queries for hours on end | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: oh yeah, very much so | |
| <debuntu> bigfuzzyjesus, yeah .. it's what made learning coding easier for me, i'm sure | |
| <Gilly> relim: high school....Spanish | |
| <rellim> Gilly: oh, ok ... i can't speak that worth a damn ... tried many times, no go :/ | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: what language(s) | |
| <Gilly> oops | |
| <Gilly> what language[s] | |
| <debuntu> C++ is our preferred, but depends on what the orig prog was written in | |
| <debuntu> we recently had to accomodate C# | |
| <Gilly> taking c++ made me want commit haneous crimes | |
| <debuntu> and the rest is all java | |
| <Gilly> haha | |
| <Gilly> nice | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> gilly: you teach hs spanish | |
| <debuntu> ci | |
| <Gilly> jesus: yes | |
| <rellim> (i know you didn't ask) ... but for me, i write java, c/c++, python, and ada95 on linux thus far and i am just about to start my junior year of college, so i'm sure there will be more to the list | |
| <Gilly> rellim: impressive list | |
| <debuntu> rellim, heh you have a nice start | |
| <rellim> Gilly: thankies | |
| <rellim> debuntu: appreciate it | |
| <debuntu> i do most of my personal utilities/apps in perl and python | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: I took Java in college, J++ | |
| <debuntu> web stuff with ruby on rails | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> gilly: im in hs spanish and absolutely terrible | |
| <Gilly> right around the time MS was getting in trouble with Sun | |
| <Gilly> and the new VStudio was J# | |
| <debuntu> ah interesting times then :) | |
| <debuntu> hahah J# | |
| <Gilly> yeah | |
| <rellim> all i have ever really done in it all is just conceptive algorithms ... only ever wrote one good program in java but it wasn't that great | |
| <debuntu> died in the a** | |
| <rellim> just class assignments ... | |
| <debuntu> rellim, nothing written in java can be really great, heh | |
| <Gilly> yeah, it was shitty | |
| <Gilly> and the professor was a dinosaur and new nothing about it | |
| <rellim> debuntu: true ... they should port it all to python | |
| <debuntu> when i started, only 6 years ago, we were still maintaining COBOL apps | |
| <debuntu> man | |
| <rellim> oh wait, i have also written intel and MIPS assembly in linux ... both were about as friendly as assembly coding gets | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> how come they have so many programming languages | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: i had to take cobol in college | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> they should make one main language and make it the standard | |
| <Gilly> we had to assume our inventory management would involve cobol master files | |
| <Gilly> fuzzyJesus, you're a fascist | |
| <Gilly> jk | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: different applications for each, different reasons for each ... like say you need something low level and fast, write it in C ... want something cross-platform and uniform, go java or python ... etc. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> gilly: not a facist, just a dreamer | |
| <Gilly> or say you want an error in a spreadsheet, write it in VBA | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: too many aspects to computer to make only one | |
| <Gilly> i know jesus, jk | |
| <debuntu> yeah, but the reality is that you code in whatever the boss comes to you with | |
| <rellim> Gilly: VBA was a waste of time | |
| <debuntu> if you can't or won't do it, many will | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah i suppose | |
| <debuntu> the other thing is you never work on a program yourself | |
| <Gilly> VBA can come in handy in the workplace | |
| <debuntu> they don't want us to be able to rip off the totality of their programs | |
| <Gilly> i found that college never prepares you for the fact that many business are ass-backwareds | |
| <debuntu> yep | |
| <Gilly> debuntu: very true | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh' | |
| <Gilly> do you usually only get certain modules? | |
| <debuntu> yeah | |
| <debuntu> and different teams work in different physical locations | |
| <Gilly> i worked at a credit union where all the database work was done in excel | |
| <debuntu> the boss is paranoid | |
| <debuntu> been ripped off before | |
| <debuntu> omg | |
| <debuntu> lol | |
| <Gilly> who does stupid crap like that | |
| <Gilly> so vba came in handy | |
| <Gilly> automation | |
| <debuntu> wouldn't want to borrow off them | |
| <Gilly> now way | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <Gilly> they were running NT for all of their servers | |
| <Gilly> this was in 2004 | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> ha | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> thats funny | |
| <debuntu> VB and C# are heavily used nowdays ... it's called RAD - rapid application development | |
| <rellim> Gilly: my campus job has prepared me for the ass backwards thing.... i had a suite walk in an be like "this is what i want and this is what i want it to look like" .... well how do you want it done? ,.... "don't care, that's your job .. just make it work" | |
| <Gilly> try to get support for NT or exchange 5 10 years after they came out | |
| <debuntu> i call it CRAP | |
| <debuntu> rellim, haha yeah exactly | |
| <Gilly> hehe | |
| <Gilly> debuntu, RPG too, right? | |
| <Gilly> rapid program generation | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> Ubuntu vs. Debian: What Canonical Doesn't Want You To Know | |
| <debuntu> oh, i thought you meant the RPGs i play when i'm meant to be working | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> http://techanchor.blogspot.com/2006/08/ubuntu-vs-debian-what-canonical-doesnt.html | |
| <Gilly> hehe | |
| <debuntu> just read that bigfuzzyjesus :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <debuntu> liked it too | |
| <debuntu> haha i'm at work now ... had to connect through a sneaky dialup in the corner | |
| <rellim> http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail~dpno~705656.asp <--- 200GB for $0.42USD if anyone is interested | |
| <debuntu> jeez you Americans get your hardware cheap | |
| <rellim> debuntu: no, i think its a glitch and someone posted it on digg.com | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah really | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> 42 cents | |
| <rellim> debuntu: i would order one but i am afraid the glitch would be fixed once it applied to my credit card and i'm broke | |
| <Gilly> debuntu, where are you? | |
| <debuntu> australia | |
| <Gilly> ah | |
| <debuntu> !time perth | |
| <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time perth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | |
| <debuntu> aha | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i wonder if anyone has tried ordering one on a debit card and checked online banking | |
| <debuntu> rellim, i would think that too | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> it could tell you right away if they charged .42 or 42.00 | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> did you see the free ubuntu stickers? | |
| <debuntu> i got sent some | |
| <debuntu> when i asked for the cds i never thought would actually come | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: no! ... where!!! | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> http://www.system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_64 | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: thanks | |
| <Gilly> for me, ubuntu ran much slower than XP | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i never thought the free cds would come either | |
| <Gilly> on a fresh install, not tweaked | |
| <Gilly> so I'm hoping xubuntu will be faster | |
| <debuntu> it will be | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i wish they had xubuntu cds | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i still have 2 breezy cds | |
| <rellim> Gilly: yeah, Xubuntu is alot faster ... xfce dominates | |
| <debuntu> you might want to look at this page: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce.php | |
| <rellim> Gilly: i got tired of the bloat and made the switch to xubuntu | |
| <debuntu> that's what i did anyway ... what's on that page | |
| <debuntu> like putting that big command in too | |
| <rellim> debuntu: i just formatted and installed from a xubuntu iso image :) | |
| <debuntu> ah cool | |
| <debuntu> i didn't know xubuntu existed until after i had done everything | |
| <rellim> i'd rather not deal with all the middle men and my machine only had like 100MB of personal data, so i just burnt to cd and formatted :) | |
| <debuntu> i was going flubuntu | |
| <rellim> oh ouch ... | |
| <rellim> flux is nice, but its just a little too simple for my taste ... i like the feature set of xfce along with its speed and lite interface | |
| <debuntu> yeah, i eventually got tired of punishing myself :) | |
| <Gilly> I'd order 20 of those drives if I thought it wouldn't get charged in full | |
| <debuntu> i wish someone would, so i can see if it works :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone here have a ridiculous amount of money | |
| <Gilly> i just ordered 1 | |
| <Gilly> got charge $9 | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> or a large chunk of change they want to waste | |
| <Gilly> on my account | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> for the drive | |
| <Gilly> drive plus shipping | |
| <crimsun> .oO( would anyone with a ridiculous amount of money be on irc often enough to read that message? ) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> no | |
| <debuntu> heh for the shipping here, i might as well just by a drive locally | |
| <rellim> Gilly: still not a bad deal | |
| <crimsun> even the sabdfl, who does have gobs of money, isn't online often enough | |
| <rellim> debuntu: probably | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> if they fix the glitch can they charge you more? | |
| <Gilly> bigfuzzy | |
| <Gilly> legally, no | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: i don't know for sure ... but anything is possible | |
| <Gilly> a misprint is their problem | |
| <Gilly> unless it's a mathematical error | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> thats what i though | |
| <Gilly> which it isn't, it's a miscode/misprint | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> t | |
| <Gilly> but, what companies operate legally | |
| <Gilly> but I printed my receipt to pdf, so if they charge more, I'll cancel | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im thinking of ordering but i only have 100 dollars to my name | |
| <Gilly> hehe, so what | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> so if they jack it up to 46 then im screwed | |
| <Gilly> order 10 of them | |
| <Gilly> that's 17 | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <Gilly> $ | |
| <Gilly> then sell em on ebay and you've have 200 to your name | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i need more space but i dont want to pay for it | |
| <Gilly> if they up the price, cancel the order | |
| <rellim> wow ... i just started browsing the system76 website,.... i am buying my next laptop from them | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i suppose i could but how would i know if they up the price | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <Gilly> Pricing | |
| <Gilly> | |
| <Gilly> DUE TO THE FAST-MOVING NATURE OF THE COMPUTING INDUSTRY, PRICES, PROMOTIONS AND PRODUCT AVAILABILITY ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. WE DO OUR BEST TO PROVIDE THE MOST ACCURATE, UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION, BUT ERRORS DO OCCUR AND WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE CHANGES WITHOUT NOTICE. IF YOU HAVE ORDERED A PRODUCT THAT IS SUBJECT TO A PRICE INCREASE, WE WILL HOLD YOUR ORDER AND INFORM YOU OF THE INCREASE. | |
| <Gilly> | |
| <Gilly> top /\ | |
| <Gilly> that's from their policy | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> ok | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> they have alot of people to inform | |
| <rellim> makes sense | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> someones having a bad day tommorow morning | |
| <Gilly> hehe | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> sys76 has some nice laptops | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: hell yeah | |
| <Gilly> cyberpowerinc.com makes nice ones | |
| <Gilly> system76 has high prices | |
| <rellim> Gilly: think so? ... i thought they were average ... | |
| <Gilly> i think so | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> does sys76 come installed with ubuntu | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: yeah | |
| <Gilly> yes jesus | |
| <Gilly> 1100 for a thin and light | |
| <Gilly> that's not cheap | |
| <Gilly> i mean, there are more expensive for sure | |
| <Gilly> given that the OS is free | |
| <rellim> Gilly: yeah ... i guess, but i would like to support their linux endorsement ... i mean, they can't cheap out on a wifi card or anything like other companies to with broadcom because of linux support ... they have to keep with mainstream parts for compatibility, i think the prices are justified in the big picture of it all | |
| <Gilly> rellim...yeah I understand | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah | |
| <Gilly> lenovo just put out a linux laptop, right? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> but look at cyberpowerinc is cheap | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> its* | |
| <Gilly> cyberpower makes sick desktops too | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> for CHEAP | |
| <rellim> Gilly: for roughly $2000USD | |
| <Gilly> rellim, ouch | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i think i can justify the price for a linux laptop through sys767 | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: unitedmicro.com ... i built a custom system from them for cheaper than i could buy all the parts separately on newegg.com | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: me too on the sys76 comment ... i really think i will give them my business | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i wonder if they have some sort of payment plan though | |
| <Gilly> any idea on the install time for xubuntu | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> as i dont usually have large sums of money but if i put it on automatic bill pay... | |
| <Gilly> oooh, and the avg boot time | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> should take less that 30 min to install | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> couldnt tell you on boot time | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> if you have recognized parts it should take 30 min | |
| <Gilly> debuntu, how long does it take you to boot xubuntu? | |
| <rellim> i do like that sys76 also add in all the apps people are always asking "how do i get a program to do this?" | |
| <Gilly> hehe | |
| <Gilly> i will regretfully be dual booting with XP | |
| <rellim> Gilly: its the same kernel, but i think the boot time might be like 5 seconds faster, your machine just runs faster once booted | |
| <rellim> Gilly: i have to at work | |
| <Gilly> yeah, well I've got Adobe CS2 Prem, and Macro Studio 8 that I use fairly often | |
| <Gilly> and, well, linux doesn't | |
| <rellim> ok, i am a little upset that sys76 has windowsXP screenshots on the OpenOffice link .... :/ | |
| <rellim> http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/45_56 | |
| <rellim> dunno what that's about | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> thats weird | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i want cs2 | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i wish it wasnt so damn expensive | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> gilly: are you a photographer | |
| <Gilly> jesus, i had a link to buy cs2 for like $200, through the university | |
| <Gilly> jesus, amateur photographer | |
| <Gilly> hobbyist | |
| <Gilly> more of a software collector | |
| <rellim> i have yet to find something i can't do in gimp that i can in photoshop ... | |
| <Gilly> hmmm | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> what kind of camera do you have gilly | |
| <rellim> i mean .... i'm not a graphic design artist or anything ... but yeah ... | |
| <Gilly> i'm not a huge gimp fan | |
| <rellim> Gilly: why not? | |
| <Gilly> plus, no illustrator, go live, acrobat in gimp | |
| <Gilly> rellim, i dunno exactly | |
| <Gilly> i've been using photoshop for years | |
| <Gilly> I guess I'm just partial to it | |
| <Gilly> jesus, a powershot a620 7.1mpx for shooting around | |
| <Gilly> and a REBEL for more serious stuff | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh | |
| <rellim> !google gimpshop | |
| <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google gimpshop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | |
| <rellim> !google gimp+shop | |
| <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google gimp+shop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | |
| <Gilly> my fiancee is the photographer, i'm just the editor | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> lol | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i have anikon d70 | |
| <Gilly> I don't know why i capitalized rebel | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> a nikon | |
| <rellim> Gilly: go to google and search "gimp shop" ... its a hack on gimp to make the tool setup more comfortable for photoshop users | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> because it made you feel important | |
| <Gilly> nice camera | |
| <Gilly> jesus, lol | |
| <rellim> hello naa, noiesmo | |
| <Gilly> everytime someone asks me what I have i'm going to capitalize it | |
| <noiesmo> hello | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah its my dads but 95 percent of the time im using it | |
| <rellim> noiesmo: how goes it? | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <Gilly> well, posession is 9/10ths of the law | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> good | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> you | |
| <Gilly> or something like that | |
| <Gilly> rellim, I'll check out gimp shop | |
| <rellim> Gilly: cool... i've never touched it, but a friend said it did make using it more convenient since he is a photoshop user | |
| <noiesmo> rellim, not so good, updating to edgy and I got some hasseles | |
| <Steggy> Is there a way to take screen shots in Xubuntu? | |
| <Gilly> that's really the big hold back i think | |
| <Gilly> ah, important question | |
| <rellim> Steggy: gimp? | |
| <Gilly> does xubuntu support 915 or 855resolution patch | |
| <Gilly> i've got a 1280x800 display on my laptop | |
| <rellim> noiesmo: oh jeebus ... yeah, i won't touch it until atleast Alpha 5 or maybe RC1 | |
| <rellim> Gilly: i would imagine it does if its supported in Xorg | |
| <Steggy> rellim: I meant, to capture the screen... My Print Screen button doesn't work. | |
| <noiesmo> rellim, my issues with openoffice overwriting itself now all I want to do is get rid of openoffice and then reinstall it later | |
| <rellim> Steggy: yeah ... open Gimp, click file -> aquire -> screenshot | |
| <Steggy> rellim: Ah, I just realized what you meant. Thanks :) | |
| <rellim> Steggy: you can get a screenshot of just a single opened window or the whole screen :) | |
| <rellim> Steggy: np :) | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> you can add a screenshot button to the panel | |
| <rellim> oh yeah ... forgot about that | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im ordering 10 of those drives | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i didnt know they were ext | |
| <Gilly> jesus, i ordered 10 | |
| <Gilly> odds are you'll get emailed tomorrow | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: my friend just said that he ordered and got an email that they are sold out, so good luck | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> probably | |
| <Gilly> or it's a scam to get credit card numbs | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> crap | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: but he tried to order 50 ... so i dunno | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> the website looks fairly legit | |
| <Gilly> i wish it was a laptop price error, i could use a new one | |
| <Gilly> although...man i hate to say this | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: search them on better business bureax | |
| <Gilly> i was looking at the macbook the other day | |
| <Gilly> os x has come a long way, and I'm a mac HATER | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> ive been eyeing macbooks | |
| <Gilly> glad i'm not alone | |
| <Gilly> booy camp make me seriously reconsider | |
| <noiesmo> rellim, catch ya later keep fighting this prob no one in other chanels seem to be able to help anyway | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> same here | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> it made it seem halfway worth it | |
| <Gilly> i was waiting for vista to come out, hoping it would be decent | |
| <Gilly> but i got on the preview program and it sucked | |
| <Gilly> big time | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i want to trip. boot osx xp and xubuntu | |
| <rellim> alright, take care noiesmo ... hope you figure it out | |
| <noiesmo> rellim, well i'll have too :) | |
| <Gilly> yeah, me too | |
| <rellim> bigfuzzyjesus: buy an intel mac ... done | |
| <Gilly> rellim, that's what we were saying | |
| <rellim> oh .. lol | |
| <rellim> sorry, i was eslwhere :P | |
| <Gilly> quite alright, glad to know you're think alike though | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> hwh | |
| <rellim> yes'm | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> he | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh! | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> wowo | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> wow | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im typing terribly | |
| <rellim> yeah ... i have an older iBook G4 and as soon as edgy comes out, it will run Xubuntu because the 2.6.17 kernel has the bcm43xx wifi driver built in | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah | |
| <Gilly> bigfuzz, you said you wanted cs2 | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> I wanna get a macbook and install BeOS on it, just for the irony. | |
| <Gilly> but it's too expensive | |
| <noiesmo> rellim, got it | |
| <Gilly> you thought about getting it through other methods? | |
| <rellim> noiesmo: sweet! | |
| <Gilly> lol | |
| <rellim> noiesmo: what was it? | |
| <Gilly> beOS boots in like 10 seconds | |
| <Gilly> i should say booted | |
| <noiesmo> need to purge the package as well so thats what i did aaahhhh | |
| <rellim> PuMpErNiCkLe: get Zeta ... its BeOS but it is still maintained ;) | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> I didn't say I had a macbook. ^_- | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> whats beOS | |
| <noiesmo> rellim, no to see what else is going to break 1156 upgraded packages to go | |
| <Gilly> an operating system | |
| <Gilly> lookup up zeta, like someone suggested | |
| <rellim> noiesmo: jeebus | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> ok | |
| <Gilly> it was written to run on their own hardware | |
| <Gilly> and then they were trying to get the specs for apple hardware to design it for apple | |
| <rellim> its pretty hot ... i can't lie ... but if i were to pay for an OS these days, it would be SkyOS even though its still beta | |
| <Gilly> instead apple went with nexstep | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> hah | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> thats funny | |
| <Gilly> and beOs went, well, nowhere | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> SkyOS looks pretty nice. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> thats pretty funny | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> i think im going to go to bed | |
| <Gilly> not unix | |
| <Gilly> goodnight | |
| <Gilly> rellim, you seen symphony? | |
| <rellim> PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah ... i will probably buy it once it comes out | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> It doesn't have to be. Unix isn't the best OS design ever. | |
| <rellim> Gilly: yeah, it was a great concept by theory but i think it will fail in the masses | |
| <Gilly> yeah | |
| <Gilly> pretty | |
| <rellim> Gilly: too many people are too used to the way things work now ... that is just too much going on in the middle of the desktop | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd use Symphony for something like a net cafe... that would be pretty sweet. | |
| <rellim> yeah, i could see it being applicable there | |
| <rellim> but i really think i would just get annoyed with its "intuitive-ness" | |
| <rellim> and it lacks uniformity because certain things are always translucent and others just don't have the capability and i think that makes a desktop look like a hack job .... same way kde did when they first tried making the panel translucent | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> KDE has always looked like a hack job. :> | |
| <Gilly> well, there's a difference between intuitive like visual studio finishing common codes with is handy | |
| <rellim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Symph-032.png <--there, the panel at the bottom just looks like it doesn't fit | |
| <Gilly> and office autonumbering and underlining everything which makes my insane | |
| <rellim> PuMpErNiCkLe: agreed | |
| <Gilly> I hate KDE | |
| <rellim> w00t | |
| <rellim> down with KDE | |
| <Gilly> it's like a crappy windows | |
| <rellim> long live XFCE | |
| <rellim> yeah ... kde is like windows on crack | |
| <Gilly> and windows is crappy | |
| <Gilly> it's a bad knock-off on something that's already bad | |
| <Gilly> i like DOS, so many choices - white text with black background, green text with pink | |
| <Gilly> the possibilities are endless | |
| <Gilly> actually Vista is pretty, but I have a slight aversion to dedication 512 ram and my graphics card solely to my window manager | |
| <rellim> Gilly: its almost irresistable ;) | |
| <Gilly> you need a second processor just to use the file explorer | |
| <rellim> lol | |
| <rellim> konqueror is shit, don't get me started | |
| <Gilly> konqueror has one good feature | |
| <Gilly> tabbed browsing for local drives | |
| <Gilly> that's spiffy | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> woot | |
| <Gilly> everything else is shit | |
| <rellim> Thunar owns | |
| <Gilly> is that a separate download | |
| <Gilly> or is it included in xfce4 in xubuntu? | |
| <rellim> lol | |
| <WarOfAttrition> I like konqueror | |
| <rellim> amen | |
| <rellim> ok, bed time ... i have work in 6 hours and i need some sleep | |
| <rellim> later all | |
| <naa> testing! | |
| *** tacitus_ is now known as somerville32 | |
| <Stormx2> I need to set my keyboard layout to British English in XFCE, how? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'setxkbmap' should do it. | |
| <VisezTrance> i'm tring to install xubuntu on a p3 600 mhz 128 ram pc. unfortunetly the installation locks up after a few minutes. probably it's out of ram. is there any other way to install it ? a text mode kind of way... ? | |
| <VisezTrance> if i'll do a network install rather than booting from the cd will this help ? | |
| *** nixternal_ is now known as nixternal | |
| <epitaf> A funny little question.. how do I change the volume in Xubuntu? | |
| <khaije1> do you have a volume applet on any of your panels? | |
| <khaije1> if not just right click and add it (make sure you pick the right sound device when it asks you in case you have more than one) | |
| <epitaf> aha, thank you khaije1 | |
| <khaije1> np homie | |
| <epitaf> i thought it would be in applications>settings | |
| <khaije1> it is | |
| <khaije1> but if you'd like it to be persistent, the applet is a good choice | |
| <epitaf> are you referring to "mixer settings"? | |
| <khaije1> yes | |
| <epitaf> that does not give the same window as the applet i added | |
| <epitaf> but thats not a problem, because the applet does what i wanted :) | |
| <Gloubiboulga> if you clic on the applet it opens the mixer window IIRC | |
| <khaije1> yes, thats is true Gloubiboulga | |
| <epitaf> Sorry for asking this much... but how do I run a .svga file? | |
| <khaije1> what type of file is that epitaf? | |
| <epitaf> I really don't know :) I am trying to run quake1 for old times sake | |
| <epitaf> And I found a thing called eQuake for Linux | |
| <epitaf> http://equake.quakeworld.nu/download.php?page=equake | |
| <khaije1> that file type doesn't really sound familiar, but i'm sure google has the answers | |
| <khaije1> i'd like to help you more but i need to get off the computer | |
| <khaije1> if you seek you'll find it | |
| <khaije1> be well | |
| <epitaf> true are thy words, i sought and found :) | |
| <threat2> hey | |
| <threat2> is there a vnc plugin for xfce? so as I can VNC / remote connect to an already logged in sesson | |
| <threat2> (eg, like gnome's remote desktop addon thingy) | |
| <threat2> nice, xllvnc | |
| <threat2> x11vnc even | |
| <orasis1> What files do I save if I wish to make a CD-R backup of my setup/panel etc? | |
| <TheSheep> probably .config, .local and .cache | |
| <orasis1> Alright sounds good | |
| <orasis1> Oh which brings me to one other question, how do I show those "hidden" dirs, in Thunar? | |
| <TheSheep> orasis1: I think there is an option in the preferences | |
| <orasis1> I can see the ./ dirs in GFTP but they are hidden in Thunar it seems | |
| <orasis1> Ok | |
| <TheSheep> ctrl+h | |
| <orasis1> Yup thats it :) | |
| <orasis1> thnx | |
| <justin_> ls | |
| <justin_> oops sorry about that | |
| <orasis1> Alright, so they both work very good | |
| <orasis1> So quiet in here :( | |
| <orasis1> Does anyone know how to install new XFCE/GTK Themes? | |
| <TheSheep> orasis1: it's good, that means people have no problems :) | |
| <orasis1> Haha | |
| <epitaf-laptop> Because of something I did, the login screen for Xubuntu has changed. Now it has some yellow flower and the text boxes looks different. How can I change back to defaults on this? | |
| *** cipher_ is now known as cipher | |
| <TheSheep> epitaf-laptop: system->login screen and choose the looks you like :) | |
| <TheSheep> sorry, it's 'login window' | |
| <epitaf-laptop> Aha, handy :) Thanks TheSheep | |
| <epitaf-laptop> I think it must have changed when I tried IceWM/Fluxbox | |
| <rellim> hello world | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone here | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> yeh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> hey | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> yo | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> what kind of hardware are you running | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Fairly standard stuff. Intel chip/chipset, nVidia card, Asus mobo. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> what proc speed | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> 2.26 | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a Northwood P4. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh yeh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im on 900mhz celeron | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> it bloooooows | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> how hard was it to get the nVideia card to work | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> nVidia* | |
| <TheSheep> bigfuzzyjesus: one command and one changed line in xorg.conf | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> orly | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Depends on which time I had to get it to work. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> that easy | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's been on two mobos, and the first one never really worked properly. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh i have it on a dell mobo | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> It had a non-standard 'agp-like' interface and integrated graphics, which royally messed up hotplug. (This was before Dapper and udev.) | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> On the current board, it works perfectly. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> oh | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> im trying to decide if i want to dual boot on my 1.4 P4 upstairs | |
| <cowmilk> how do i know if i have java on my computer (for web browsing)? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> The default Xubuntu install doesn't include a java interpreter, so unless you installed something specifically, chances are you don't have it. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> try automatix | |
| <cowmilk> PuMpErNiCkLe: i see. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or easyubuntu. | |
| <cowmilk> PuMpErNiCkLe: how would you guys recommend installing java, so that i can use it in my web browsing | |
| <cowmilk> ? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Enable the multiverse repository, if you haven't already, and install sun-java5-jre. | |
| <cowmilk> PuMpErNiCkLe: thanks | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Also, sun-java5-plugin. | |
| <cowmilk> PuMpErNiCkLe: my main web browser is Opera | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Same. | |
| <cowmilk> do your instructions still apply? | |
| <cowmilk> ok | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> I think so. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> you guys arent mozilla guys? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> You might check the Opera site - they'll have a howto that covers any additional steps. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> bigfuzzyjesus: Nah. It chokes on sites I visit fairly regularly. | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> like what sites | |
| <TheSheep> choke.your.firefox.com | |
| <TheSheep> :P | |
| <TheSheep> I must admit lynx almost never chokes on web pages | |
| <bigfuzzyjesus> heh | |
| <cowmilk> do i have to restart opera, now that i installed java? | |
| <feliciano> somebody install tapioca at xubuntu?? | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> Hey all! | |
| <feliciano> hey there | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> Do you know what package I need for having icons to Thunar? | |
| <TheSheep> Hagbard_Ub: yes, thunar | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> For the moment it's just grey things... | |
| <TheSheep> Hagbard_Ub: eh? | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> TheSheep: Haha... I have Thunar... | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> Icons to Thunar... | |
| <TheSheep> Hagbard_Ub: maybe the icon theme you use doesn't have proper icons for it? | |
| <TheSheep> Hagbard_Ub: tried a different icon theme? | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> For example... Folders, files and such | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> On Kubuntu... | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> There's a package that you apt and then thunar have icons... | |
| <TheSheep> tango-icon-theme for example? | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> Ahh | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> Like Xfce.. It have some flaws though... Miss hotkeys... | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> But I can't survive without KDE... :/ | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> Nope.. Tango theme didn't give me icons | |
| <TheSheep> Hagbard_Ub: try to switch to it | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> huh? Mean in kcontrol? | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> Didn't help | |
| <TheSheep> no, in xfce user interface settings | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> uhm.. i don't have Xfce | |
| <TheSheep> kde uses qt, it's a totally separate set of themes | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> hm.. | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> I know that... | |
| <TheSheep> Hagbard_Ub: then use whatever method you want to set your gtk theme | |
| <Hagbard_Ub> hmm.. | |
| *** creyon_ is now known as creyon | |
| <crimsun> hmm. | |
| <crimsun> for those of you _really_ looking to strip stuff down, try using dash as the user shell (e.g., instead of bash) | |
| <crimsun> you'll give up a considerable amount of "easy" functionality | |
| *** ThunderStruck is now known as gnomefreak | |
| *** creyon is now known as creyon_ | |
| *** b_52Free_ is now known as b_52Free | |
| <TheSheep> I don't get it, why would the xfce4-mixer plugin take 40 megs of memory after a fresh start? :/ | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is that virtual or physical? | |
| <TheSheep> virtual | |
| <TheSheep> physical is 10 megs | |
| <TheSheep> I just can't imagine what would it do with it :) | |
| <TheSheep> ok, it has to display an icon and a slider, that might be even 500k, considering that the icon is svg | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Odd, mine's at 26 / 8. | |
| <TheSheep> still pretty huge for what it doesn, don't you think? | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Meh, it's buggy. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> I guess one of the bugs is memory management. | |
| <cabuloso> the clock applet takes 10mb | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hopefully that'll get fixed when xfce makes its next release. | |
| <TheSheep> heh | |
| * TheSheep replaces the mixer applet with a laouncher for alsa-mixer | |
| <cabuloso> hehehe | |
| <TheSheep> xfce4-session takes 90 megs :/ | |
| <TheSheep> I don't think I can replace it with something | |
| <Gilly> hello ALL | |
| <Gilly> anyone have problems with the installer for xubuntu 6.0.6? | |
| <Gilly> mine hangs with about 2 minutes left | |
| <Gilly> checked disk for error, no problems | |
| <Gilly> bigfuzzyjesus: nice to see you again | |
| <crimsun> 6.06 or 6.06.1? | |
| <Gilly> 6.06.1 | |
| <crimsun> desktop or alternate? | |
| <Gilly> cd you mean? | |
| <cabuloso> probably desktop | |
| <crimsun> image, but yes | |
| <Gilly> i'm installing on a laptop, but yeah the Desktop CD | |
| <crimsun> here. gui installer or text? | |
| <Gilly> gui, it's the crappy install that runs once you are booted from the live cd | |
| <Gilly> i hate it | |
| <Gilly> is there another way? | |
| <crimsun> download the alternate image and use that. | |
| <Gilly> does that have a gui installer? | |
| <crimsun> no, it's ncurses-based (debian-installer) | |
| <Gilly> hmm | |
| <Gilly> can a n00b manage that? | |
| <crimsun> oh yes. | |
| <Gilly> sweet | |
| <crimsun> it's streamlined and asks only five or six questions | |
| <Gilly> that's 4 or 5 too many | |
| <Gilly> jk | |
| <Gilly> cool, thanks | |
| <crimsun> pretty much if you boot from it and keep pressing Enter you'll end up with a usable system | |
| <Gilly> there's something about installing an OS while it's live that bugs me | |
| <crimsun> to be fair, that's how the gui installer (ubiquity) works | |
| <crimsun> whatever you do in the live session is carried over to your HD install | |
| <Gilly> and I'm wondering if that's part of the problem | |
| <drbreen> and that is way too fast... | |
| <Gilly> that I'm making a lot of changes in the live section and then the HD install doesn't work | |
| <crimsun> there are still a considerable number of ubiquity bugs | |
| <drbreen> in my HD install i can select ubiquity in the menu | |
| <Gilly> the installer shows like 30 mins left, and then about 20 secs later it shows 2mins 30 secs and then it locks-up | |
| <drbreen> so can i connect my computer to some kinde of usb device and install ubuntu on it ? | |
| <crimsun> (yes, you can install to a thumb drive) | |
| <Gilly> xubuntu will run from a thumbdrive? | |
| <Gilly> you'd need a good size one I suppose | |
| <Gilly> bigfuzzyjesus: did you ever buy that HDD? | |
| <drbreen> so when i select ubiquity from my HD install, where can i give it the target device ? | |
| <crimsun> drbreen: since I don't use ubiquity, your question is better addressed by looking on the wiki | |
| <crimsun> (or the forums, ...) | |
| <drbreen> kk | |
| <BlueEagle> gilly: If you don't like the live installer all *ubuntus provide alternate install CDs. | |
| <BlueEagle> :) | |
| <Gilly_> blueEagle: thanks. i wasn't sure what the alternate CD. I thought it was extra stuff | |
| <Gilly_> i'm not real big on reading instructions, or i might have figured it out | |
| <BlueEagle> gilly_: :D | |
| <Gilly_> for some reason when the installer froze, my partitions got all f'd up | |
| <Gilly_> i thought it was just the grub had started install, but fixing my mbr didn't help | |
| <Gilly_> i was hulk-mad | |
| <Gilly_> tried pound my laptop into the ground, but it didn't word either | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wow. | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you don't want that laptop, can I have it? | |
| <crimsun> pounding my laptop into the ground _always_ works for me. | |
| <Gilly_> yeah, same here..imagine my surprise | |
| <Gilly_> pumpernickle: agreed, so long as you know it's a dell | |
| * TheSheep considers replacing gdm with sudo -u sheep startxfce4 | |
| <TheSheep> anything I should be carefult about? | |
| <rmd> everything | |
| <TheSheep> sure, but anything in particular? | |
| <Gilly_> be mindful of the ROUSs | |
| <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'm not convinced those exist. ^^ | |
| <Gilly_> hehe | |
| <TheSheep> Rous | |
| <TheSheep> n : United States pathologist who discovered viruses that cause | |
| <TheSheep> tumors (1879-1970) [syn: {Peyton Rous}, {Francis Peyton | |
| <TheSheep> Rous}] | |
| <TheSheep> eh? | |
| <Gilly_> Rodents Of Unusual Size | |
| <TheSheep> my rodent (xfce) is already of unusual size (over 100 megs) and I want to do something about it :) | |
| <Gilly_> nice | |
| <Gilly_> well, first, why are you switching | |
| <Gilly_> replacing i should say | |
| <TheSheep> dumping gdm seems to be logical, as I have autologin anyways, and it takes considerable amount of memory | |
| <TheSheep> and I'm the only user of this box | |
| <Gilly_> are you managing data for the US Currency Exchange? | |
| <Gilly_> or is a personal machine | |
| <TheSheep> you can forget about security -- I'll handle it personally, by just chopping of fingers of anyone but me who touches this machine | |
| <TheSheep> * off | |
| <Gilly_> that's Yakuza style | |
| <Gilly_> then live a little, go for it man | |
| <TheSheep> Gilly_: no, Yakuza chops off only one finger at a time | |
| <Gilly_> ah, and you're going to a coup d'gras at first offense eh? | |
| <TheSheep> it's a shame that my keyboard doesn;t have a heavy cover like some pianos do | |
| <TheSheep> it would be easier | |
| <Gilly_> I've got double irony | |
| <Gilly_> I'm reinstalling Adobe CS2 because my partitions got scrambled after the xubuntu graphic installer failed | |
| <Gilly_> so the irony is with linux there is no Adobe CS2 | |
| <Gilly_> but also, with Linux there are no screw ups that necesitate reinstall | |
| <Gilly_> blast you windows! | |
| <TheSheep> Gilly_: isn't that linux that screwed up just now? | |
| <Gilly_> nah | |
| <Gilly_> that was me screwing up me thinks | |
| <Gilly_> linux screws up due to human error | |
| <Gilly_> windows screws up based on the lunar cycle | |
| <TheSheep> http://humanized.com/about/#rule1 | |
| <Gilly_> i'd agree there | |
| <ma1> hello? is this the xubuntu help place? | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: yes, ask and you'll be answered :) | |
| <ma1> good I need help | |
| <ma1> I'm trying to figure out how to get mp3 playback working | |
| <TheSheep> !mp3 > ma1 | |
| <ma1> que? | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: you should have received a message from ubotu now | |
| <ma1> oh yeah | |
| <TheSheep> it is supposed to be helpful :) | |
| <ma1> yes thank you. | |
| <Gilly_> thesheep: what was that link? | |
| <TheSheep> Gilly_: you mean humanized.com ? | |
| <TheSheep> Gilly_: they are a bunch of graduates of Jeff Raskin, I think | |
| <Gilly_> ah | |
| <Gilly_> where did you get the link | |
| <TheSheep> I found it on Raskin Center page, I think | |
| <Gilly_> ah | |
| <TheSheep> I was very interested in user interface design some time ago | |
| <Gilly_> yeah, i was when I did database design | |
| <ma1> man linux is so awesomely user friendly | |
| <TheSheep> it improved a lot in recent years | |
| <ma1> yeah it has, it's still got a few years to go I think | |
| <TheSheep> and there is considerable interest in "usability" recently | |
| <TheSheep> I think it's much better than windows now, but still a little behind compared to macos :) | |
| <ma1> if we could only all afford an apple | |
| <somerville32> I rather have linux then apple | |
| <TheSheep> that's their selling point -- you have a mac, you're 'leet :) | |
| <ma1> or at least your wallet was | |
| <ma1> this synaptic package deal | |
| <ma1> as I understand this is where I'm supposed to get codecs for mp3 and such? | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: synaptic is a program used to install any additional stuff (well, most of it) | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: but it by default only takes stuff from only few repositories | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: you need to enable more repositories for mp3, as thosel ibraries are illegal to use in some coutries | |
| <TheSheep> libraries | |
| <ma1> right, I added the universe and multiverse where it said I'd find the libxine-extracodecs | |
| <ma1> am I way off? | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: now just hit 'update' and then look for that package | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: there is a 'search' button there | |
| <ma1> right | |
| <ma1> no luck so far | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: you can open terminal, type "sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list", and uncomment all the repositiories by hand | |
| <ma1> whoooo | |
| <ma1> I think I found it | |
| <ma1> man this is way easier than windows | |
| <TheSheep> that's a plus -- when the nice-looking, user-friendly tools fail, you still have the console and text files :) | |
| <ma1> thank you sheep, I have sound | |
| <ma1> first time ever with linux | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: if you need some program that's not installed (or you just don't know how it is called), use the search in synaptic | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: you will usually find several programs doing what you're looking for | |
| <TheSheep> (and several dozens of those that do something totally different ;) ) | |
| <ma1> so, if I needed a bit torrent client, would I use synaptic? | |
| <TheSheep> yes, search for 'torrent' or 'bittorent' and you will get a several screenfulls long list of apps :) | |
| <ma1> rad | |
| <TheSheep> then read the descriptions and pick the one you like | |
| <TheSheep> there are no screenshots, unfortunately ;) | |
| <ma1> I think the only thing I really like about this is how super-fine xfce looks | |
| <ma1> which almost makes all this work worth it. | |
| <TheSheep> the Tango icons are very good, and the ubuntulooks engine is nice too | |
| <TheSheep> ma1: there is an unofficial Tango icon theme for Windows too, btw. | |
| <TheSheep> http://tango.freedesktop.org/Image:Tango-on-XP-after.png | |
| <ma1> very nice | |
| <Blinker> alrighty, video all nice and pretty now, time for round two: networking... | |
| * Blinker grumbles | |
| <Blinker> ok, so if an ethernet device is apparently set up properly, sending packets but not recieving them (yes, cables properly connected), what are some possible causes? I've tried both DHCP and manual IP configurations, and made sure the ip was inside the rage I set in the router... | |
| <Blinker> heh, and of course i had to ask while everyone's off having dinner =p | |
| <Blinker> i'll be around | |
| <ma1> is there a screensaver you can configure? or maybe like an auto-shutoff for the monitor? | |
| <Blinker> O.o | |
| <ma1> I wonder why they call you blinker..... | |
| <ma1> 0,- | |
| <Blinker> its a multipurpose name, actually. I've been playing with IR devices lately | |
| <Blinker> 0-=) | |
| <Blinker> ma1 - applications > settings > settings manager | |
| <ma1> ahhh, thanks | |
| <Blinker> np | |
| *** ma1 is now known as _mat_ | |
| <_mat_> ahh |
